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gamodis samSabaTobiT N20 (322) 15.09

09.20

.2020

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mkvlelobis saqmeSi

vin aris giorgi

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ès informacia viRacasTan

12 seqtembers advokati mixeil

giorgi abaSiZe

ramiSvili uflebadamcvel eka

qobesaSvilTan, Cveni gamocemis

mTavar redaqtor eliso kilaZesa da Tamar baCaliaSvilis

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garkveuli miniSnebebi miiRo.

„im informaciaze dayrdnobiT,

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mogvawoda, TeTri wyaros

sofel saRraSenSi viyaviT. davaTvaliereT

garkveuli adgilebi,

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dronis mier gada-

Rebuli sakalmaxeebi... pirvel

rigSi, moviTxovT, rom gamoZiebam

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kilaZe da gamoarTvas mas, ra

informaciac miiRo telefoniT,

ra gvarebic iyo miTiTebuli,

is adamianebi daikiTxon.

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im adgilmdebareobaze,

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SemiZlia mTeli pasuxismgeblobiT

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mosaxleobas, garkveul pirebs,

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ramiSvilma 13 seqtembers

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_ acxadebs advokati da

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erTad jdomas

da viRac-viRacebis dakiTxvis

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mosaxleobam”, _ ambobs mixeil

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eqskluziur interviuSi

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Cauvarda xelSi mas? vin aris

is adamiani, romelsac meore

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vilTan:

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vilis saqmeze bevri iTqva da

daiwera, magram erTgvari Se-

jameba rom gavakeToT: dRes am

idumal mkvlelobaze ra viciT,

ufro sworad, mTeli saxelmwifo

manqana ratom cdi-

lobs, rom es saqme ar gaixsnas

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vTqvaT, rom Tamars garkveuli

Sexeba hqonda Zalian seriozul

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_ 23 wlis gogos, rogorc

Tqven ambobT, Zalian serio-

zul danaSaulebriv jgufTan

Sexeba ratom an saidan unda

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_ amas ris safuZvelze am-

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ar axsovdes, baCaliaS-

vils Sss-sTan rekomendacia

gauwia Tu ara?

_ mesmis, magram mSoblebi

amboben, roca ekiTxebodnen,

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orTaWalaSio. bevri veZieT,

Tu visTan SeiZleboda or-

TaWalaSi wasuliyo, magram iq

arc amxanagi hyavs da arc saqme

hqonda. erTaderTi, yvelam viciT,

rom orTaWalaSi Sss da sxva

Zalovani struqturebia.

mixeil ramiSvili:

`SeiZleba,

pirdapir isic

vTqvaT, rom

Tamars garkveuli

Sexeba hqonda

Zalian seriozul

danaSaulebriv

jgufTan~

Tamuna programisti iyo da

kompiuterTan hqonda Sexeba,

riTic 21-e saukuneSi Zalian

bevri ramis mopoveba SeiZleba.

am dros ki Teimuraz zarqua ambobs,

ar maxsovs, Sss-sTan rekomendacia

gavuwie Tu arao,

anu „kis” an „aras “ ki ar ambobs,

acxadebs, ar maxsovso da swored

es „armaxsovsaa” Zalian saeWvo.

niSandoblivia, rom am Temaze

gamoZiebac dums. ras hqvia,

ar axsovs? iqneb, am adamians

gavaxsenoT...

_ 23 wlis Tamari, Tqveni

azriT, im donis programisti

realuri mizezi,

ris gamoc Tamar

baCaliaSvili

mokles _ mixeil

ramiSvilis

skandaluri

interviu

iyo, rom Zalovani uwyebisTvis

masTan TanamSromloba xel-

sayreli iqneboda?

_ Tamunam safrangeTis Sesabamis

umaRlesSi eqvsTviani swavlebis

kursi gaiara. es xelwamosakravi

umaRlesi saswavlebeli

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arc isaa, roca safrangeTidan

giwveven, yvelanairad uzrunvelyofili

xar _ swavlis safausriT,

sacxovrebeli pirobebiT

da am dros, gaurkveveli

mizezis gamo, iq darCenaze uars

ambob, Tan paralelurad, Zalian

nerviulob, SfoTav da TiTqos

ojaxis wevrebis damcvelis

rolSi xar. SeiZleba, zogierTma

Tqvas, rom safrangeTSi dar-

Cenaze uari siyvarulis gamo

Tqva, magram arsebobs detalebi,

romliTac iqmneba foni, rom

safrangeTSi darCenaze uari vi-

Racam aTqmevina.

_ anu imas ambobT, rom Tam-

ars Sss-sTan TanamSromloba

sakuTari surviliT ar dauwy-

ia da aiZules?

_ ara, piriqiT.

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_ piriqiT is, rom aiZules,

safrangeTSi darCenaze uari

eTqva. Cveni informaciiT, roca

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man TanamSromloba daiwyo,

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rom daewyo, magram maqsimalurad

gamoiyenes, am klanWebs ve-

Rar gaeqca da safrangeTSi

darCenaze uaris Tqmac amitom

mouwia.

_ batono mixeil, Tamars

sicocxleSi ar icnobdiT da

SesaZloa, am kiTxvaze ver mi-

pasuxoT, magram 23 weli iseTi

asaki araa, miT umetes, aseTi

ganaTlebuli adamianisTvis,

rom ver mimxvdariyo, Sss-sTan

TanamSromlobiT raze midio-

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ar unda misuliyo!~

da. anu, rogor fiqrobT, ba-

CaliaSvilma Zalovan uwyebasTan

kontaqti ratom daiw-

yo _ aiZules Tu daaSantaJes?

_ saerTod, adamianebis mravalferovani

kategoria arsebobs,

anu zogierTis gadabireba

Zalian martivad SeiZleba, zogierTi

ki umarTavia da is

SeiZleba, ise gamoiyeno, rom

TviTonac ver xvdebodes, visze

muSaobs, anu fiqrobdes, rom

damoukidebelia da imas akeTebs,

rac unda da swored am

dros gamoiyenon. erTi sityviT,

es erTgvari akademiuri skolaa,

Tumca is, Tu adamians ramdenad

akademiurad marTaven, es ukve

maTzea damokidebuli. sxvaTa

Soris, maT sacecebi yvelgan da

yvelanairad miuwvdebaT. amas-

Tan, Tamuna Cveulebrivi ojaxidan

iyo da xom iciT, didebisa

da warmatebisken swrafva yvelas

aqvs.

_ e. i., Tamar baCaliaSvili

Sss-sTan TanamSromlobas Sesa-

Zloa, im sababiT dasTanxmda,

rom garkveuli warmatebisTvis

mieRwia?

_ diax, SeiZleba, es Sss-sTan

TanamSromloba droebiTi egona

an ifiqra, rom yvelafer amas

rameSi _ sakuTari momavlisTvis

_ gamoiyenebda, magram isini,

xom iciT, mtacebeli cxovelebiviT

arian, adamianebs robotebiviT

marTaven da imas akeTebineben,

ra da rogorc undaT.

_ kargi, gavyveT versias,

rom Tamars raRac iseTi gaakeTebines,

rac undodaT, vTqvaT,

fuli gaaTeTrebines, ma-

gram 21-e saukuneSi, ar mgonia,

amis gamo vinmes klavdnen...

_ adamianebs yvelafrisTvis,

ufro sworad, arafrisTvisac

klaven!

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ra saWiro iyo? ra, 23 wlis gogos

sxva meTodiT, vTqvaT, ojaxze

muqariT ver gaaCumebd-

nen?

_ arsebobs raRac iseTi barieri,

romlis gadasvlis merec

sicocxle saWiro aRaraa!

_ anu?

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adixar, Tavisi daniSnuleba

aqvs: zogs „sicocxlis safexuri”

hqvia, zogsac _ „sikvdilis”.

_ maSasadame, Tamar ba-

CaliaSvili „sikvdilis safex-

urze” avida, Tumca maxsovs,

Tavidan mamam Tqva, es Cemi Svi-

lis cxedari araao. pirdapir

gkiTxavT: riT dasturdeba,

rom manqanaSi namdvilad Tama-

ris cxedari iyo?

_ dnm gakeTda... SeiZleba,

bevri ram saTuo iyos, iqneb,

cxedari Seicvalao... saerTod,

adamianis fantazia usazRvro,

uzomoa da yvelam SeiZleba,

rame ifiqros, magram amaze

saubari cota Sors wagviyvans.

_ ratom?

_ mesmis, Tqveni kiTxva rasac

gulisxmobs, adamiani SeiZleba,

ùdavo faqtia, rom

am gogos Tavi ar

mouklavs! is mokles

da morCa, dasrulda!

vin, rogor da

ranairad mokla,

ai, yvelafris

Tavi da Tavi axla

amis gagebaa~

cocxalia da manqanaSi sxvisi

gvami iyo, magram ase rom iyos,

maSin Tamunas asakis gogos unda

eZebdnen, romelic swored im

periodSi daikarga. gasagebia,

rom ZalovnebisTvis sazRvrebi

Riaa, magram aseT fantaziaSi nu

gadavalT.

_ Cemi kiTxva, SesaZloa,

ararealuria, magram yofil

specsamsaxurelebs vesaubre

da maTgan vici, rom specsam-

saxuri pirovnebas, romelic

masTan kavSirzea, mkvlelobiT

TiTqmis arasodes iSorebs, anu

SeiZleba, TamaSidan gaiyvanos

da droebiT „daakonservos”,

magram ar moklas... ise, ba-

CaliaSvilis saqmeSi ucxouri

specsamsaxurebis kvali gamor-

icxulia, batono mixeil?

_ yvelaferi SesaZlebelia.

gaaCnia, specsamsaxuris specifika,

inteleqti da profesionalizmi

rogoria. mxolod sagamoZiebo

organoebis ki ara,

uSiSroebis samsaxuris done

iseTi araa, rogoric unda iyos!

_ amas ratom ambobT?

_ sxvanairad rom iyos, maSin

saqmes ufro profesionalurad

gaakeTebdnen da am ambavs amxela

rezonansic ar mohyveboda.

yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,

udavo faqtia, rom am gogos

Tavi ar mouklavs! is mokles

da morCa, dasrulda! vin, rogor

da ranairad mokla, ai, yvelafris

Tavi da Tavi axla amis

gagebaa. adamiani sakalmaxeze

midis da viRacas eZebs. risTvis

da ratom? _ ai, amis ZiebaSi

varT.

_ batono mixeil, Tqveni Si-

nagani rwmena ras geubnebaT _

Tamaris mokvla winaswar hqon-

daT ganzraxuli Tu, ubralod,

rameze ar dasTanxmda, winaaRm-

degoba gauwia da SemoakvdaT?

_ ver SemoakvdebodaT!

_ ratom?

_ iseTi janiani gogo ar iyo,

rom masTan kamaTi mosvlodaT.

man raRac iseTi icoda da es

raRac imdenad didi iyo, rom

meore mxare SeSinda...

_ meore mxares risi eSino-

da?

_ es informacia viRacasTan

ar unda misuliyo...

_ meore mxares ar undoda,

rom es raRac informacia sa-

zogadoebas ar gaego Tu

mmarTveli wreebis garkveul

eSelonamde ar misuliyo?

_ mmarTveli wre ara.

_ aba?

_ SeiZleba, erTi adamiania,

visTanac yvelaferi is, rac

Tamarma icoda, ar unda misuliyo!

_ batono mixeil, gaqvT eWvi,

es erTi adamiani vin SeiZleba

iyos?

_ Cven jer ar viciT, meore

mxares vin arian. daaxloebiT

rom mecodineba, amis mere Sei-

Zleba, imasac mivxvde, is, visac

es informacia ar unda scodnoda,

vin aris!

_ ise, batono mixeil Tqvenze

Tavdasxma da diskredita-

cia ras emsaxureba? vTqvaT,

Tqven baCaliaSvilebis ojaxis

uflebebis dacvaze uari

TqviT, magram maTi intereseb-

isTvis sxva advokati mainc xom

ibrZolebs?

_ iciT, rogori momentia?

_ rogori?

_ yvela Taviseburad

uyurebs. zogi mainc frTxilia,

zogi wynaria... zogs mSvidi da

kargi cxovreba uyvars.

_ mSvidi cxovreba, albaT,

Tqvenc giyvarT. yovel SemTx-

vevaSi, cxadia, ar gsiamovnebT,

rom Tqvens Svils uTvalTva-

leben. ratom riskavT?

_ me Cxubic miyvars!

_ Tu saxelmwifo manqanas

upirispirdebiT, CxubiT ras

gaxdebiT?

_ raRacas mainc gavxdebi!.. me

simarTle miyvars!

_ sxvaTa Soris, „formulas”

informaciiT, arsebobs qali,

romlis fotorobotic gamo-

Ziebas aqvs da romelic Tamaris

sasaxlesTan bodiSs ixdi-

da, rom ver daicva... Tqveni

versiiT, es ucnobi qalbatoni

vin SeiZleba iyos?

_ adamiani, romelic

garkveul informacias flobs.

sxvaTa Soris, am adamianze

informacias gamoZiebis mxridan

didi xania, viTxovT, magram

swored aqedan Cans, rom saxelmwifo

gamoZiebas Tavs aridebs.

saxelmwifos rom undodes, am

qalbatons aqamde ipovida!

_ Tu gamoZiebas baCaliaSvilis

saqmis am idumali fig-

uranti qalis povna ar unda,

maSin arc fotorobots Sead-

genda...

_ fotorobotis Sedgenas,

Cvenebebis Secvlas, sicruesa

da TvalebSi nacris Seyras an

satelitis suraTis yalbad gamocxadebas

ra unda? _ araferi!

_ sityvam moitana da kompa-

niam, romlis mierac satelitis

es fotoa gadaRebuli, gancxa-

deba gaavrcela da Tqva, rom

aRniSnuli foto Zvelia...

_ tyuilia!

_ es gancxadeba Cemi TvaliT

wavikiTxe da tyuili ratomaa?

_ es gancxadeba am kompaniam

ris safuZvelze gaavrcela?

_ Tqveni azriT, ris safuZ-

velze gaavrcela?

_ oficialuri gamoZieba mimdinareobs

da yvelafers Tavisi

eTika aqvs.

_ anu?

_ gamoZiebas am kompaniisTvis

oficialuri werili ar gaugzavnia

da ar ukiTxavs, Cem mier

warmodgenili suraTi originalia

Tu ara. rogor fiqrobT, es

kompania iseTi „tupoia”, rom

viRaca bJuturobs, foto yalbiao,

gamovides da Tqvas, yalbia,

aba, ra ariso? mokled, gamoZiebas

oficialuri werili

unda gaegzavna, am da am qveynis

sagamoZiebo struqtura varo

da amis mere ekiTxa, es fotoebi

originalia Tu ara, magram

aseTi werili aravis arsad gaugzavnia

da uceb, es kompania

gamoxta da ambobs, fotoebi

yalbiao.

es fotoebi gamoZiebas rom

gamoeqveynebina da eTqva, es Cem

mieraa mopovebulio, is kompania

maSinac gamovidoda da ityoda,

yalbiao? informaciis

gacvla-gamocvla ise unda xdebodes,

rogorc protokoliTaa

gaTvaliswinebuli da axla am

gancxadebas rogor unda vendo?

isic sakiTxavia, es gancxadeba

kompaniam gaavrcela Tu

ara?! raRac gverds scialur

qselSi mec Sevqmni da vityvi, am

da am kompaniis gverdia-meTqi.

_ Tqvens msjelobaSi logika,

ra Tqma unda, aris... ise, ba-

tono mixeil, Tu daadgineT,

Tamar baCaliaSvilma dea ka-

panaZe sad da rodis gaicno?

isic programistia?

_ erTad swavlobdnen da 2015

wlidan garkveuli urTierToba

hqondaT.

_ gamoricxavT, rom dea ka-

panaZe Tamars, jer kidev, 2015

wels miugzvanes?

_ me aseTi principi maqvs:

arasdros Tqva arasdros!

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ yovelTvis yvelaferi Sesa-

Zlebelia.

_ bolos, batono mixeil,

odesme am saqmes naTeli moe-

fineba da gavigebT, 23 wlis

programisti vis da ras See-

wira?

_ am SemTxvevaSic ase gipasuxebT:

arasdros Tqva arasdros...

yvelaferi SesaZlebelia.

_ e. i., isic SesaZlebelia,

rom baCaliaSvilis gar-

dacvalebas arasodes aexados

farda, ara?

_ ase ratom fiqrobT? gveubnebian,

rom swor gzaze vdgavarT...

ori Tvea, davdivarT da

uceb im gzaze aRmovCndiT,

romelic ar vicodiT, taZramde

migviyvanda Tu ara!

_ isRa damrCenia, warmateba

da simarTlis dadgena gisurv-

oT!

_ didi madloba.

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profesorma daviT ZoweniZem

„mersedesis centri” saqarTveloSi

90-iani wlebis bolos

daafuZna, roca qveyanaSi samoqalaqo

omi da sruli ganukiTxaoba

mZvinvarebda.

is doqtoranturas germania-

Si, drezdenis teqnikur universitetSi

gadioda, humboltis

stipendiaze iyo wardgenili

da swored iq gaicno „mersedesis”

perspeqtiuli ganvi-

Tarebis centris direqtori,

doqtori fon glazneri, romelmac

StutgartSi miiwvia. aq

gaCnda saqarTveloSi „mersedesis

centris” dafuZnebis ideac

da 1992 wels kaxi asaTian-

Tan erTad dafuZnda „mersedes

bencis” warmomadgenloba, romlis

direqtoric 1996 wlamde

iyo daviT ZoweniZe. 1996 wels

sawesdebo kapitalSi Cadebuli

iyo $635 000 da amis safuZvelze

kompanias 2007 wlidan

milioniani dividendebi ericxeboda.

konfliqti da sasamarTlo

dava asaTianebis mxridan

pirobebis Seusruleblobas

moyva, Tumca ZoweniZem sakuTari

uflebebis sasamarTloSi

dacva moaxerxa. 2011 wels maka

asaTiani telekompania „maestros”

wilis mflobeli gaxda

raRac manipulaciebiT da

opoziciuri speqtris yuradRebac

„nacionaluri moZraobis”

mier „daCagrulis” saxeliT

miipyro. „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebaSi mosvlisTanave

aqtualuri gaxda „maestros”

kontroli da xelisuflebasTan

vaWroba.

daviT ZoweniZe:

_ biZina ivaniSvilis xelisuflebaSi

mosvlisTanave qveynis

premier-ministrma farTod

gauRo kari da mosalaparakeblad

miiRo maka asaTianis qmari,

ruseTis moqalaqe kote gogelia.

am Sexvedris mere 2013

wels daiwyo sisxlis samarTlis

saqmis gamoZieba saqarTvelos

mTavar prokuraturaSi. es

moCvenebiTi Zieba am dromde

formalurad mimdinareobs mxolod

imisTvis, rom asaTianebis

mxare ukanonod moamaragon

„axali garemoebebiT”. saqmis

masalebis gacnobis ufleba

gamoZiebis dasrulebamde arc

dazaralebuls aqvs, miuxedavad

imisa, rom asaTianebi dazaralebulad

cnobili ar iyvnen.

maT mtkicebulebebiT mainc

amaragebdnen. es rasac

niSnavs kanonis enaze, Tqvenc

mogexsenebaT. rac mTavaria,

prokuraturam partniorTa

krebis iseTi yalbi oqmi Seacura

Semosavlebis samsaxuris administraciuli

departamentis

arqivSi, romelic arasodes

yofila samewarmeo saqmeSi. msgavsi

partniorTa kreba arasodes

Catarebula. oqmze Cemi

xelmowera ar aris da arc notarialuradaa

igi damtkicebuli.

imdroindeli kanonmdeblobiT

aseTi partniorTa krebis

oqmis sasamarTloSi Sesvla

da Tanac mis safuZvelze partnioris

garicxva araTu SeiZleboda,

aramed kanondarRveva


`mersedesis centris~ wilis axeva

ras uyveba

`qronika+~-s

biznesmeni

daviT ZoweniZe?

iyo. absoluturi sicruea

isic, rom me Cemi nebiT gavedi

im sawarmodan, romlis sawesdebo

kapitalic 90-ian wlebSi

Sevqmeni udidesi ZalisxmeviT

mopovebuli finansebiT, inteleqtualuri

sakuTrebiT,

fizikuri SromiT da romelSic

asaTianebs erTi centic ar

aqvT Cadebuli. erTi kaci mainc

maCveneT, romelic weliwadSi

ramdenime milioni mogebis

mqone sawarmodan Tavisi surviliT

da nebiT gava? saqmeSi

mtkicebulebebia, sadac cxadad

Cans dapirispireba Cemsa

da partniors Soris, direqtorobidan

wavedi mxolod imitom,

rom man momatyua, fuli

ar Cado Tavisi wilis Sesabamisad

da urTierTobaSi krizisi

warmoiSva. asaTianebma jer damabrales,

fuli miiTvisa da amitom

gavricxeTo da axla gamoacxves,

Tavisi nebiT gavidao.

nebis gamoxatva mkacrad regulirdeba

qveynis kanonmdeblobiT

da sasamarTlo praqtikiT.

gancxadeba gayalbebulia, rac

gamyalbebelma TviTon moaxsena

sasamarTlos. aseTi saxis

gancxadebas rom cvlileba ver

mohyveboda, amas marto kanonis

codna ki ar adasturebs, yvelafris

mkadrebeli mosamarTlec

ver uTiTebs safuZvlad

90-iani wlebis dasasruls.

asaTianebma miiRes ra xelisuflebis

mfarveloba da garantiebi,

2013 wlis 9 seqtembers

ofisSi momigzavnes daqiravebuli

mkvleli, romelmac

organizeba gauwia da angarebiT

ganaxorciela Cemze

Tavdasxma. marTalia, ver momkles,

mxolod damasaxiCres,

samagierod brali me wamiyenes.

prokuraturam daikava ra damnaSavis

mxare, saswarfod gaayalba

faqtebi da sisxlis samarTlis

saqmis fabrikaciis safuZvelze

dRemde damatareben

sasamarTlo procesebze ssk

118-e muxlis absurduli braldebiT.

es procesic xangrZlivdeba

usasrulod, sanamdec

gavuZleb. Cemze ganxorcielebuli

Tavdasxmis Semdeg, Cemi

dafuZnebuli sawarmodan, yovelgvari

SeTanxmebis, dasabu-

Tebisa da argumentis gareSe,

viTom „sesxad” 500 000 lari

Tanxa gadasces xelze ivaniSvilis

garemocvis wevr k. beraZes.

droTa ganmavlobaSi Sevityve,

rom Cemze Tavdamsxmelic

k. beraZis axlobeli yofila.

aqve unda iTqvas, rom paralelurad

daiwyo Cemi uflebebis

arnaxuli Seviwroeba Cemsave

biznesSi. es ganxorcielda

prokurorebis mier Cemze

usamarTlo devniTa da sasamarTloSi

arsebuli klanis Semsrulebeli

mosamarTleebis

meSveobiT.

qveda instanciis klanis mZevalma

mosamarTleebma, romlebic

jer uvado, Semdgom ki ukve

uzenaesi sasamarTlos mosamarTleobis

kandidatebad moevlinen

sazogadoebas, elvis

uswrafesad Seasrules davaleba:

jer gaauqmes kanonier Zala-

Si Sesuli uzenaesi sasamarTlos

gadawyvetileba, Semdeg ki

sruliad usamarTlod, arakonstituciuri

gziT (saqarTvelos

sakonstitucio sasamarTlos

2018 wlis 7 dekembris 2/

8/765 gadawyvetileba), sajaro

reestrisTvis Seqmnes usafuZvlo

garemoeba da 2016 wels amomiRes

sawarmos damfuZnebel-

Ta Semadgenlobidan. amiT asa-

Tianebs misces sawarmoSi 16

mln. larze meti mogebis-miTvisebisa

da erTpirovnulad

CemTvis gankuTvnili dividendebis

qrTamis dasanawileblad

gamoyenebis saSualeba.

es ar aris samarTlianoba da

marTlmsajuleba, warmoudgeneli

da uCveulo korufciuli

procesebi gamoikveTa

qveyanaSi, aqedan gamomdinare,

sazogadoebas vTxov, garda imisa,

rom me, mis erT Rirseul

wevrs, mesaWiroeba Tanadgoma,

aucilebelia im mavne garigebis

Sedegad damkvidrebuli safrTxeebis

gaazrebac.

daviT ZoweniZesa da Sps

„akas” partniorebs Soris arsebul

davas specialuri kvl-

eva miuZRvna „saerTaSoriso

gamWvirvaloba saqarTvelom”.

kvlevaSi vkiTxulobT:

`2018 wels `qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebuli

interviuebisa da `saerTaSoriso

gamWvirvaloba-saqarTvelos~ daskvnis Semdeg,

am xelisuflebis pirobebSic ki uzanaesma

sasamarTlom saapelacio sasamarTloSi

daabruna gadawyvetileba arsebiTi

miTiTebebiT, magram saapelacio sasamarTlom

gverdi auara zemdgomis miTiTebebs. Semdeg ki

klanis mier axlad daniSnulma uzenaesi

sasamarTlos Semsrulebelma mosamarTleebma:

kakabaZem, eremaZem da miqaberiZem miiRes

ukanono gadawyvetileba, romelic

ewinaaRmdegeba saqarTvelos kanonmdeblobas,

saqmeSi arsebul faqtebsa da mtkicebulebebs.

dRemde ar mabareben am gadawyvetilebas, rom

dasabuTebas gavecno. arada, ukve sami Tve

gavida. camde marTali var am saqmeSi da ar

vapireb, usamarTlobas Seveguo~

„2016 wels Tbilisis saqalaqo

sasamarTlom luiza Tavar-

TqilaZis, maka asaTianis, salome

asaTianisa da Sps „akas”

mimarTvis safuZvelze, axlad

aRmoCenil garemoebaTa gamo,

dava ganaaxla. mosarCeleebma

sasamarTlos 1996 wlis 15 martis

#2 oqmis dedani warudgines,

romelSic miTiTebuli

iyo, rom daviT ZoweniZem kompaniis

wilebi Tavisi iniciativiT

daTmo. sasamarTlom am

dokumentis safuZvelze Secvala

kanonier ZalaSi Sesuli

gadawyvetileba da daviT ZoweniZes

20%-ian wilze sakuTrebis

ufleba kvlav gauuqma. saqmeze

miRebuli gadawyvetilebebisa

da arsebuli mtkicebulebebis

Sefasebis Sedegad,

SesaZloa iTqvas, rom sasamarTlos

gadawyvetileba ramdenime

mimarTulebiT aCens kiTxvebs:

sasamarTlos mier miRebuli

ganCineba saqmis ganaxlebis Taobaze

dausabuTebelia, saqmis

warmoebis ganaxlebas safuZvlad

daedo 1996 wlis 15 martis

#2 oqmis dednis wardgena,

sadac miTiTebulia, rom daviT

ZoweniZe 1996 wlis 15 marts,

sakuTari gancxadebis safuZvelze,

gavida Sps „akas” partniorobidan.

sasamarTlos ganmartebiT,

krebis oqmis dedani

sasamarTloSi saqmis ganxilvis

dros rom yofiliyo wardgenili

mtkicebulebebTan erTobliobaSi,

mopasuxeebisTvis

xelsayreli gadawyvetilebis

gamotanas gamoiwvevda. mniSvnelovania

aRiniSnos: garda

imisa, rom oqmis asli sasamarTloSi

2008 wels iyo wardgenili,

sasamarTlos mocemul dokumentze,

rogorc mtkicebulebaze,

namsjeli aqvs da Semdegi

ganmarteba gaakeTa:

„masze igulisxmeba 1996

wlis 15 martis #2 oqmis asli,

xelmowerebi ar aris damowmebuli

notariuli wesiT, masSi

gadmocemuli faqtebi ewinaaRmdegeba

rogorc apelant-

Ta pozicias, aseve movlenaTa

ganviTarebis qronologias,

misi Sinaarsi cnobili gaxda

mosarCelisTvis mxolod da-

TariRebidan ramdenime wlis

Semdeg da masze ZoweniZis mier

Cabarebis grafa carielia”.

miuxedavad imisa, rom 2016

wels wardgenili oqmi im oqmis

identuri iyo, romelzedac sasamarTlom

aRniSnuli Sefaseba

gaakeTa, Tbilisis saqalaqo

sasamarTlom dava ganaaxla da

gansxvavebuli gadawyvetileba

gamoitana. daviT ZoweniZis wilTan

dakavSirebul davas, rogorc

2010 wels, rodesac daviT

ZoweniZis kompaniisTvis 20%

wilze sakuTreba daubrunda,

ise 2016 wels d. ZoweniZisTvis

wilze sakuTrebis gauqmebasTan

dakavSirebiT saqmis ganaxlebis

Semdeg laSa qoCiaSvili ganixilavda.

niSandoblivia, rom

#2 oqmis dednis wardgena 2008

wels dawyebul sasamarTlo

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telekompania `maestros~ kontrolis sanacvlod

davaSi Semdegi mizeziT ver moxerxda,

_ sasamarTlom aRniSnuli

oqmis dedani samewarmeo

reestridan gamoiTxova, magram

Sps „akas” samewarmeo masaleb-

Si amgvari dokumenti ar inaxeboda.

es dokumenti prokuraturam

2015 wels aRmoaCina

saqarTvelos finansTa saministros

Semosavlebis samsaxuris

administraciuli departamentis

saarqivo sammarTvelos

masalebSi. dokumenti mtkicebulebas

warmoadgenda erTerT

sisxlis samarTlis saqmeze.

daviT ZoweniZis warmomadgenlebma

Semosavlebis samsaxurs

mimarTes da moiTxoves informacia

imasTan dakavSirebiT,

Tu rodis iyo Sesuli finansTa

saministroSi aRniSnuli

dokumenti da hqonda Tu ara

samsaxurs am dokumentis Sesvlis

damadasturebeli mtkicebulebebi?

mag.: JurnalSi gatarebuli

Canaweri. Semosavlebis

samsaxuris pasuxidan ki

gairkva, rom samsaxurisTvis

ucnobi iyo, Tu rodis da vin

waradgina miTiTebuli oqmi”, _

naTqvamia „saerTaSoriso gam-

Wvirvaloba saqarTvelos” kvlevaSi.

garda imisa, rom sasamarTlom

dava dausabuTeblad ganaaxla,

man gadawyvetilebiT ar

imsjela Semdeg mniSvnelovan

garemoebebze: axlad wardgenil

#2 oqmSi dafiqsirebuli

informacia TanxvedraSi ar aris

Sps „akas” partniorebis mier

procesze gaJRerebul informaciasTan.

oqmSi aRniSnulia,

rom krebis gadawyvetilebiT d.

ZoweniZes gamoecxada undobloba,

gayvanil iqna sazogadoebis

damfuZnebelTa Semadgenlobidan

da ganTavisuflda

direqtoris Tanamdebobidan.

Sps „akas” partniorebis mtkicebiT

ki daviT ZoweniZe Tavisi

iniciativiT sakuTari gancxadebis

safuZvelze gavida

partniorobidan.

sadavo oqmis Sinaarsi ewinaaRmdegeba

kompaniis erT-erTi

partnioris, goCa lelaZis

Cvenebas. oqmSi miTiTebulia,

rom 15 marts partniorTa krebas

eswreboda da azri daafiqsira

erT-erTma partniorma

goCa lelaZem, lelaZis gancxadebiT

ki igi am dros saqar-

TveloSi saerTod ar imyofeboda,

germaniaSi cxovrobda

da, Sesabamisad, krebas ar

daswrebia.

2016 wels gadawyvetilebis

miRebis procesSi sasamarTlom

Sefasebis miRma datova is faqti,

rom wardgenili #2 krebis

oqmi ar aris notariulad

damowmebuli. im periodisTvis

partniorobidan gasvlis SeTanxmebis

notariulad damowmeba

dokumentis namdvilobis

aucilebel winapirobas warmoadgenda.

oqmi aseve ar Seicavs

daviT ZoweniZis xelmoweras,

maSin roca udavo faqtobrivi

garemoebaa, rom krebas

daviT ZoweniZe eswreba.

Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamar-

Tlos 2016 wlis 13 oqtombris

gadawyvetileba ZalaSi darCa

aseve saapelacio da uzenaesi

sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebiT.

mocemul saqmeze 2017 wlis

25 seqtembers iuridiuli

eqspertizis kompania „Todria

da partniorebma” moamzada

daskvna. kompaniis direqtori

uzanaesi sasamarTlos yofili

mosamarTle Teimuraz Todriaa.

daskvnaSi miTiTebuli samarTlebrivi

poziciebi srul

TanxvedraSia „saerTaSoriso

gamWvirvaloba saqarTvelos”

mier warmodgenil SefasebasTan.

saqmeSi 2017 wlis 2 noembers

momzadebuli alternatiuli

daskvnac arsebobs, romelic

uzanaesi sasamarTlos yofilma

mosamarTle nunu kvantalianma

moamzada da sadac saqmeSi

arsebuli garemoebebi gansxvavebulad

aris Sefasebuli,

Tumca mniSvnelovania imis aRniSvnac,

rom mTavari sakiTxi,

axlad aRmoCenil garemoebaTa

gamo, saqmis ganaxlebis safuZvlianoba,

daskvnaSi Sinaarsobrivad

ganxiluli ar aris. samarTlebrivi

Sefasebebi mxolod

im sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT

aris gakeTebuli, SeeZlo

Tu ara mxares, samoqalaqo

saproceso kodeqsiT dadgenili

wesiT axlad aRmoCenil

garemoebaTa gamo, saqmis ganaxlebis

moTxovniT edava.

daviT ZoweniZe:

_ 2018 wels „qronika+”-Si

gamoqveynebuli interviuebisa

da „saerTaSoriso gamWvirvaloba-saqarTvelos”

daskvnis

Semdeg, am xelisuflebis pirobebSic

ki uzanaesma sasamarTlom

saapelacio sasamarTloSi

daabruna gadawyvetileba arsebiTi

miTiTebebiT, magram saapelacio

sasamarTlom gverdi

auara zemdgomis miTiTebebs.

Semdeg ki klanis mier axlad

daniSnulma uzenaesi sasamarTlos

Semsrulebelma mosamarTleebma:

kakabaZem, eremaZem da

miqaberiZem miiRes ukanono

gadawyvetileba, romelic ewinaaRmdegeba

saqarTvelos kanonmdeblobas,

saqmeSi arsebul

faqtebsa da mtkicebulebebs.

dRemde ar mabareben am gadawyvetilebas,

rom dasabuTebas

gavecno. arada, ukve sami Tve

gavida. camde marTali var am

saqmeSi da ar vapireb, usamarTlobas

Seveguo.

„qronika+~ agrZelebs am Temaze

muSaobas da masalebs momdevno

nomrebSic SemogTavazebT.

aWara wiTel zonaSia!

ramdenime dRea, aWara ukve wiTeli zonis sta-

xviCa mamulaZe

tuss atarebs. inficirebulTa ricxvi dRiTi dRe

matulobs. 12 agvistos aWaraSi koronavirusis rekorduli

maCvenebeli gamovlinda _ dainficirda 80 adamiani. dRes (14 seqtem-

beri) aWaraSi COVID-19-is 108 axali SemTxveva dadasturda.

aWaris jandacvis saministros informaciiT, gasuli 24 saaTis ganmavloba-

Si 2530 PCR testi Catarda.

cnobisTvis: pirveli seqtembridan 14 seqtembris CaTvliT aWaraSi koronavi-

rusis 484 SemTxveva dadasturda.

rusudan SaviSvili _ aWaris sazogadoebrivi

jandacvis centris direq-

tori:

_ gasuli (12 agvisto, _ red.) dRe-

Ramis ganmavlobaSi aWaraSi gaxlavT 80

dadasturebuli SemTxveva da ramdenime

SemTxveva aris kvlevis fazaSi, anu kvleva

bolomde ar dasrulebula.

koronavirusiT inficirebis 20-ze

meti SemTxveva ukavSirdeba saqorwilo

darbazebSi yofnis faqts.

22 SemTxveva gaxlavT ucnobi, anu pirvelwyaro

cnobili ar aris. 7 aris samedicino

dawesebulebasTan dakavSirebuli

SemTxveva, 3 gaxlavT xofis bazrobis savaWro

centrTan dakavSirebuli, maT Soris

arian TanamSromeli da misi ojaxis

wevrebi. aseve patar-patara kerZo, mcire

biznesis warmomadgenlebi, sadac ar aris

orze da samze meti piri dasaqmebuli.

koronavirusi daudasturda aWaris

mTavrobis administraciis TanamSromels.

aseve daudasturda meriis erT-erT

N20 (322) 15.09-21.09.2020 w.

TanamSromels qobuleTSi.

yvela kontaqtirebuli piri gadayvanilia

izolaciaSi. kovidinficirebuli

aris hospitalizebuli. visTanac hqonda

mas kontaqti, yvelas PCR testi Cautarda

da pasuxebi aris uaryofiTi.

SegaxsenebT: baTumSi bulvaris teritoriaze

ganTavsebuli iyo karvebi, sadac

moqalaqeebs SeeZloT, testi survilis

mixedviT CaetarebinaT, magram aRniSnul

lokaciaze ganTavsebuli karvebi

wyvets funqcionirebas da mxolod dar-

Ceba xofis bazrobisa da avtosadguris

mimdebare teritoriaze, sadac moqalaqeebs

SeeZlebaT testis gakeTeba.

ra mdgomareobaa regionSi

da ras amboben moqalaqeebi?

„qronika+“ am sakiTxis Sesaxeb ramdenime

moqalaqes gaesaubra da Seecada, pasuxi

mieRo kiTxvaze, Tu ratom gavrcelda

virusi ase elviseburad? moqalaqeebis

didi nawili ambobs, rom es yvelaferi

ukontrolobis bralia. maTive TqmiT,

saTanadod ar iyo kontroli Sesabamisi

uwyebidan, ramac virusis xSiri

gavrceleba gamoiwvia regionSi.

eTer beriZe:

_ namdvilad pirdapir SemiZlia giTxraT,

rom es yvelaferi ukontrolobis

bralia. mogexsenebaT, Cven iseTi eri

varT, ar vicavT wesrigs, Tu vinmem saTanadod

ar gagvakontrola. Tavidan kontroli

iyo, magram mere aRaravin aqcevda

yuradRebas. unda genaxaT, ra xdeboda

sazogadoebriv transportSi _ mgzavrebi

fexze idgnen da pirbade ar ekeTaT.

zedamxedvelobis samsaxuri arc ki

amosula da ar Seumowmebia araferi.

mZRolebic arafers gveubnebodnen, rom

pirbade gagvekeTebina da aba, ra iqneboda

_ gavrceldeboda virusi!

nazi bolqvaZe:

_ bazarSic davdiodi, Svilo da bank-

Sic, arc distancias icavdnen da arc

pirbade ekeTaT.

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realuri mizezebi, ris gamoc giorgi

xalxi dainaxavs, rom aseTi

strategia arsebobs da arCevani

unda gaakeTos _ saqmis keTeba,

romelsac Cven vTavazobT, Tu

„ocnebis” tyuilebi?

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi

gamodian da amboben, Cveni mTavari

damsaxureba xalxze zrunvaao

da am dros xedav, rom regionSi

yvelaze meti mSieri adamiani saqarTveloSi

cxovrobs, anu mosaxleobis

8,2 procenti, ubralod, mSieria

da es monacemi somxeTze

samjer metia, rac nonsensia. somxeTs

sazRvao gasasvleli ar aqvs

da misi ekonomikac yovelTvis Cvenze

ukan iyo, magram axla gagviswro.

azerbaijansa da sxva qveynebze

aRarafers vambob.

ai, aseT realobaSi vcxovrobT

da TiToeulma adamianma unda gadawyvitos,

im tyulebis, rasac

„ocneba” ambobs, sjera Tu ara!

„ocneba” imasac ambobs, rom misi

mizani TiTqos usafrTxoebaa, magram

2019 wels danaSaulis maCvenebeli

orjer gaizarda, gaxsnis

maCvenebeli ki amdeniveTi Semcirda

_ 40 aTasi mZime danaSaulis

Camdeni Tavisufalia imitom, rom

saqmeebi gamouZiebelia da, Sesabamisad,

damnaSaveebi dadgenilni ar

arian!warmogidgeniaT, ra mdgomareobaSi

varT?

_ ki ar warmomidgenia, yvela

ubedurebas, razedac saubrobT,

mec vxedav, Tumca „ocneba” arc

siRaribes aRiarebs da arc _

kriminalis zrdas. ai, mmarTveli

partiis saparlamento siis oceulis

prezentaciaze, mgoni, ivaniSvilma

ganacxada, yvelaferi kargadaa,

magram Cven is xelisufle-

partia „kanoni da samarTlis”

giorgi abaSiZe

lideris, saburTalos maJoritarobis

kandidat Tako Carkvi-

anis kovidinficirebis gamo „strategia aRmaSeneblis”

saarCevno kampaniaSi garkveuli koreqtireba Sevida, Tumca

blokis lideri, premierobis kandidati giorgi vaSaZe, ambobs,

rom axal meqanizmebs SeimuSaveben da xalxTan komunikacias

ar gawyveten. amasTan, giorgi vaSaZe „qronika+”-sTan ramden-

ime skandalur gancxadebas akeTebs. kerZod, is im mizezebze,

ris gamoc man da Tako Carkvianma „Zala erTobaSia” datoves,

eqskluziurad Cvens gamocemasTan saubrobs da „nacmoZrao-

bis” e. w. anklavur liderebs seriozul braldebebs uyenebs.

kerZod, vaSaZe sajarod pirvelad acxadebs, rom yofili

mmarTveli partiis anklavuri liderebi qveynis ganviTareba-

ze ki ara, imaze arian orientirebulni, parlamentSi rogor

Sevidnen da Tanamdebobebi rogor daikavon.

mokled, „qronika+~ gTavazobT

skandalur intervius „strategia

aRmaSeneblis” liderTan, premier-ministrobis

kandidat gior-

gi vaSaZesTan:

_ batono giorgi, upirvelesad,

gilocavT, rom kovidinfeq-

cia ar dagidasturdaT. ise, dain-

ficirebulTa ricxvis zrda

arCevnebis moaxloebas saeWvod

daemTxva, anu zogi ambobs, maso-

brivi testireba „ocnebas” gazaf-

xulze rom daewyo, maSinac aseTi

statistika iqneboda, magram far-

TomasStabiani testireba Semodgomaze

mizanmimarTulad dai-

wyo, raTa arCevnebis dRis wesrig-

Si garkveuli koreqtivebi Seit-

anoso. am mosazrebas iziarebT?

_ namdvilad ar vici, am kuTxiT

„ocnebas” ra gegma da startegia

aqvs, magram erTmniSvnelovnad vambob,

rom xelisuflebis yvela

gancxadeba arCevnebzea orientirebuli.

sxvaTa Soris, albaT, gaxsovT,

rom masobriv testirebas,

jer kidev, gazafxulze viTxovdi,

rac, samwuxarod, ar moxda. masobrivi

testireba axlac ar tardeba.

_ ra vici, amiran gamyreliZe

ambobs, dReSi 8 aTas adamians

vtestavTo da amaze meti maso-

brivi raRa unda iyos?

_ ai, magaliTad, Tqven rom gindodeT,

testirebas ver CaitarebT.

_ ratom?

_ infrastruqtura araa momzadebuli

da amitom. ver ityvian,

rom axla krizisul situacias

marTaven. krizisi martSi, aprilsa

da maisSi iyo, dRes ki yvelaferi

organizebuli menejmentis Temaa.

krizisuli situacia ra SuaSia,

roca amdeni Tvea ician, rom Sesa-

Zloa, am problemis winaSe davmdgariyaviT

da imisTvis, rom yvelaferi

kargad emarTaT, organizebulad

unda momzadebuliyvnen,

magram dRes isev infrastruqturisa

da testirebis problemaa. martiv

kiTxvas vsvam: zafxulSi vinmem

koronasTan dakavSirebiT sainformacio

kampania naxa, virusi

rogor unda SegvezRuda?

_ kampaniisa ra giTxraT, magram

epidemiologebi mudmivad mogviwodeben,

rom rekomendaciebs dav-

emorCiloT _ xelebi xSirad

davibanoT da socialuri distan-

cia davicvaT...

_ diax, es mesmis, magram erTaderTi,

rac prevenciis mizniT gakeTda,

sazRvrebis daketva iyo.

dRes ki, roca ukve amdeni inficirebuli

gvyavs, iqneb, vinmem

amixsnas, sazRvrebis daketvas ra

azri hqonda? _ inficirebulTa

raodenoba yoveldRe ormagdeba,

rac imas niSnavs, rom virusi masobrivadaa

gavrcelebuli.

_ hoda, batono giorgi, „oc-

nebam” yvelaferi es, iqneb, im

mizniT gaTvala, rom saarCevno

kampania daiwyeboda Tu ara,

lokaluri lokdaunebi gamoecx-

adebina da amiT opoziciisTvis

xeli SeeSala?

_ SeiZleba, magram simarTle

rom vTqvaT, koronis meore tal-

RiT „ocneba” saSinlad dazaraldeba!

_ amas ris safuZvelze ambobT?

_ „ocnebis” saSineli araprofesionalizmi

da ucodinaroba premieris

ori dRis win gakeTebuli

gancxadebidanac gamoCnda.

_ anu?

_ gaxarias etyoboda, rom dabneuli

iyo _ im wuTas miRebul

gadawyvetilebebze saubrobda da

namdvilad ar etyoboda, rom meore

SemotevisTvis mzad iyo!

yvelam kargad viciT, rom araprofesionalebTan

gvaqvs saqme.

viRacam gaxaria profesionalad

imitom miiCnia, rom pirveli tal-

Ris dros gagvimarTla da koroniT

dainficirebuli cota iyo.

madloba RmerTs, rom bevri gardacvlilic

ar gvyavs, magram es

araprofesionalizmi axla Tanda-

Tan iCens Tavs. „ocneba” cdilobs,

rom is plusi, rac pirveli tal-

Ris dros hqonda, ar dakargos _

misi reitingi Zalian dabali iyo,

magram koroniT reklama gaikeTa

da reitingma aiwia. axla ki isev

ukan wavida. amitom xelisufleba

cdilobs, sazogadoeba daarwmunos,

rom epidviTareba kontrolirebadi

da marTvadia.

sxvaTa Soris, qalbatoni marina

ezugbaia Zalian kargi specialistia,

magram gamikvirda, roca

Tqva, mTavrobis Zalian magarma

moqmedebebma gadagvarCinao. ar

mgonia, eqimebis mier xelisuflebisTvis

gundrukis kmeva swori iyos.

amitom medikosebs vTxov, rom

aseTi gancxadebebisgan Tavi Seikavon!

mTavrobis efeqtiani moqmedebebi

ras niSnavs? _ xom geubnebiT,

rom moindomoT, tests ver gaikeTebT...

_ e. i., imis Tqma gindaT, rom

miTi, korona „ocnebis” mTavari

saarCevno mokavSireao, imsxvreva?

_ diax, asea, radgan sul rom

Tavi gaigiJon, araprofesionalizmsa

da ucodinarobas ver damalaven!

_ asea Tu ise, msofliosi ar

iyos, Cveneburi politikac ko-

ronaze gadis. Sesabamisad, am

kuTxiT xelisuflebis mier daS-

`nacmoZraobis~ anklavuri

liderebisTvis mTavari

parlamentSi Sesvlaa da ara _

qveyanaSi siRaribis damarcxeba!~

vebuli Secdomebi opoziciam

rogor unda gamoiyenos, miT

umetes, im dros, roca arCevnebi

karsaa momdgari?

_ gamoyeneba ara, magram am Temebze

garkveul gancxadebas gavakeTeb,

anu rogorc wina krizisis

dros, axlac aseTi aqtiuri viqnebi.

saerTod, iciT, Cvensa da „ocnebas”

Soris gansxvaveba ra aris?

_ ra?

_ Cven yovelTvis strategia da

gegma gvaqvs, „ocneba” ki qaosurad

moqmedebs.

_ da koronakrizisTan dakav-

SirebiT Tqveni strategia rogo-

ria?

_ jer erTi, swrafi testireba,

radgan inficirebulebi swrafad

gamovlindnen da virusis lokalizeba

swrafad moxdes, anu Tavdacva

ki ara, Seteva, rac Zalian mniSvnelovania,

Tumca dRes isev Tavdacvis

reJimSi varT; da meore:

mcire da saSualo bizness Zalian

didi mxardaWera unda gaewios _

xelisuflebam fuli Tavis korufciul

kompaniebs ki ar unda

gadauricxos, aramed mcire da sa-

Sualo bizness realurad daexmaros,

radgan yvelaferi gakotrebulia

da bankebi Tu mikrosafinanso

kompaniebi xalxs qonebas arTmeven!

ai, axla swored amis gaCerebaa

aucilebeli.

_ yvelam viciT, rom „ocneba”

bankebTan kolaboraciaSia da ratom

ggoniaT, rom Tqvens strate-

gias yurad iRebs da am umZimesi

krizis dros bankebis ki ara, mo-

saxleobis gverdiT dadgeba?

_ amis iluzia arc maqvs, magram

`me da Tako Carkvianma miviReT gadawyvetileba, rom

zurgs ukan da farul situaciaSi Widaobas, rac

Cveni saqme araa, sjobda, sajaro politikaSi

gadavsuliyaviT da kuluarebs movSorebodiT!~

6 N20 (322) 15.09-21.09.2020 w.


vaSaZem `Zala erTobaSia~ datova!

ba ar varT, miRwevebiT vitrabax-

oTo. mokled, „ocneba” sxva realobaSi

cxovrobs da, batono gior-

gi, xalxs rogor unda daajeroT,

rom realoba iseTi araa, rogorsac

„qocebi” xataven da xelisu-

fleba aucileblad Sesacvlelia?

_ xalxis amaSi darwmuneba

Zalian martivia.

_ mainc, rogor?

_ iciT, rom „strategia aRmaSenebeli”

hiperaqtiuria da mosaxleobasTan

Zalian bevri Sexvedra

aqvs. koronavirusis am talRis

gamo Sexvedrebze, albaT, cota

problema gveqneba, magram xalxTan

kontaqts mainc ar gavwyvetT da

mas mudmivad yvelafers avuxsniT.

„ocnebas” unda, rom erT karSi

iTamaSos _ Tavisi televizia aqvs,

„imedi”, sadac xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi

gamodian da saocrebebs

laparakoben. ai, magaliTad,

ramdenime dRis win erT gadacemas

vuyure da SokSi viyavi.

_ ratom?

_ sabWoTa periodi ar maxsovs,

magram imdenad sxva realobas xataven,

rom komunistebsac ki SeSurdebodaT,

magram xalxi am virtualur

realobas xmas ar miscems!

adamianma, romelsac am televiziidan

eubnebian, yvelaferi kargadaao,

ar icis, puri rogor iyidos

da Svilebs saWmeli rogor miutanos.

amitom yvelafer amas xalxi

Secvlis!

_ vnaxoT, 31 oqtombers ra da

rogor iqneba, magram, batono

giorgi, erTia, roca xelisufleba,

anu rogorc eZaxiT, damsx-

vreuli ocnebebis partia gebrZ-

viT _ Tqvens erT Tanagundels

piradi cxovrebis kadrebis gavr-

celebiT aSantaJebdnen, sxvas ki

fizikurad gauswordnen, magram

meorea, roca xelisuflebasTan

erTad opoziciac gipirispirde-

baT. yovel SemTxvevaSi, sxva opo-

ziciuri partiebis liderebi Tu

aqtivistebi socialur qselSi

Tqven mimarT, minimum, sarkazmiT

saubroben. amas riT xsniT?

_ Cveni mzardi reitingiT!

samwuxarod, „nacionaluri mo-

Zraobis” mxardamWerebi ki ara,

liderebi sakuTar TavSi Caketilebi

arian da sakuTari Tavisa da

idea-fiqsis iqiT, rom xelisuflebaSi

unda movidnen da Tanamdebobebs

daepatronon, verafers xedaven!

ai, mTavari problemac

swored esaa.

_ „nacmoZraobas” bevri lideri

hyavs. vis gulisxmobT?

_ saxelebisa da gvarebis dasaxeleba

ar minda. lokalurad yvelas

vgulisxmob, vinc mediiT aqtiurad

Cans. am adamianebma, Cemi

araerTi mcdelobis miuxedavad,

ver gaiazres, rom gamaerTianeblebi,

Semkreblebi unda iyvnen da ara

_ damqsaqsvelebi da mTvari opoziciuri

partiis rols CaWidebulebi!

amitomac vambob, rom „nacionaluri

moZraoba” ver iqneba mTavari

opoziciuri partia, yovel

SemTxvevaSi, am liderebiT es gamoricxulia!

gamarjvebis mTavari

mowinaaRmdege TviTon „nacmoZraoba”

gaxda! es realobaa _ Cem winaaRmdeg

ibrZvian da ara _ „qarTuli

ocnebis”. roca arc erT im

SeTanxmebas ar asruleben, romelic

sxva opoziciur partiebTan

dades, raze unda vilaparakoT?

politikasa da yoveldRiur cxovrebaSic

sityvis gamtexs ndoba

ar aqvs. dRes „nacionaluri

moZraoba” aseTia.

_ batono giorgi, roca „nacmoZ

oZraobas” sityvis gamtexs uw-

odebT, mixeil saakaSvilsac gu-

lisxmobT? sxvaTa Soris, ori

wlis win saakaSvili Tqvenze am-

bobda, kargi premieri iqnebao...

_ samwuxarod, mixeil saakaSvilma,

romelsac SeeZlo, Cemi

azriT, qarTul politikaSi gamaerTianeblisa

da mZlavri zurgis

roli eTamaSa, airCia da im gzas

gahyva, romelic misma lokalurma

da Seumdgarma politikosebma

ukarnaxes! Zalian vwuxvar, rom es

arCevani gaakeTa! sxvaTa Soris,

amaze masTan saubari araerTxel

mqonia, magram regionis lideris

nacvlad sakuTari Tavis lokalizeba

Zalian mZime formiT gaakeTa

da esec realobaa!

_ Cems xelT arsebuli infor-

maciiT, „Zala erTobaSiasTan”

Tqveni konfliqti imiT daiwyo,

rom es gaerTianeba proporciul

siaSi kaxa oqriaSvilis Casmas geg-

mavda, im oqriaSvilisa, romlis

medikamentebis monopoliur bi-

zneszec „startegia aRmaSenebelma”

gazafxulze skandaluri kvl-

eva moamzada. am kuluarul cnobas

midasturebT, batono gior-

gi?

_ gulwrfelad da pirdapir

getyviT, rom es erTaderTi mizezi

ar iyo, Tumca, maT Soris, erTerTi

mizezi am xalxTan molaparakebac

iyo. saerTod, mizezi is

strategia gaxldaT, Tu rogor

xedavdnen movlenebis ganviTarebas

„nacmoZraobis” lokaluri da

anklavuri liderebi. maTTvis mTavaria,

rom parlamentSi Sevidnen

da ara _ is, rom qveyanaSi siRaribe

davamarcxoT! maTTvis mTavaria,

Tu vin moxvdeba gamsvlel siaSi da

ara _ is, rom qveyana im ukiduresad

mZime viTarebidan gamoviyvanoT,

romelSic ivaniSvilis damsxvreuli

ocnebebis partiam Cagvagdo.

Sesabamisad, strategiulad,

kampaniis saxiT, yvela is Sinaarsi,

rasac maTgan viRebdi, absoluturad

miuRebeli iyo. amitomac me

da Tako Carkvianma miviReT gadawyvetileba,

rom zurgs ukan da

farul situaciaSi Widaobas, rac

Cveni saqme araa, sjobda, sajaro

politikaSi gadavsuliyaviT da kuluarebs

movSorebodiT!

_ ise, „nacionalebi” siebTan

dakavSirebiT braldebas Tqven

giyeneben da amboben, rom gamsv-

lel proporciul siaSi TiTqos

aTi adgili moiTxoveT...

_ imdenad iaffasianebi arian,

rom esec aradamajerebelia.

_ ukacravad, aradamajerebeli

ratomaa?

_ yvela SeTanxmeba, romelic

dadebuli iyo, daarRvies, maT

Soris, yvelaze didi SeTanxmebac,

romelSic sxvebic monawileobdnen.

_ isnis maJoritarul olqs

gulisxmobT?

_ diax, oRond am SemTxvevSi

kovzi nacarSi CauvardaT, radgan

am SeTanxmebas sxva monawileebic

hyavs, romlebic sajarod amboben,

razedac SevTanxmdiT. SeTanxmebis

darRvevaSi yvela maT adanaSaulebs.

saerTod, saxelis gatexas

Tavis gatexa sjobs, „nacmoZraobam”

ki, rogorc mTavari gzavnili,

swored saxelis gatexa airCia!

_ yvelafer aqedan gamom-

dinare, xom ar geCvenebaT, rom

„nacionaluri moZraoba” arCevnebSi

gamarjvebisTvis ki ara, mTa-

vari opoziciuri Zalis statusis

SesanarCuneblad ibrZvis?

_ diax, raRac aseTia. idea-fiqsi

gauCnda, rom mTavari opoziciuri

partioba magaria, magram es

qveyanas ar uSvelis. misgan rame

programa an gegma mogismeniaT?

„strategia aRmaSeneblis” proeqti

gasuli wlis pirvel oqtombers

daviwyeT, magram boikoti gamouc-

xades da monawileoba erTi programis

SemuSavebaSic ar miiRes. qalbatoni

Tako da sxvebic absolutur

SokSi iyvnen, _ xalxo, rogor

iqceviTo?! realoba esaa _ Tvi-

Ton arafers akeTeben da sxvamac

araferi unda gaakeTos, oRond

kidev erTxel vimeoreb: im anklavur

da viwro partiul liderebze

vsaubrob, romlebic „nacmoZraobaSi”

arian, Torem „nacmoZraobas”

sxva Sinaarsi aqvs da

mis yvela mxardamWers Zalian kargad

vicnob.

_ ise, maSinac, ramdenime wlis

win, roca „nacmoZraoba” datoveT,

es anklavuri liderebi gebrZod-

nen?

_ diax, ase iyo. samwuxarod, amas

meored SeveCexe... megona, rom

gavasworebdi, magram erTxel

„qarTul ocnebaze” vTqvi da am

`strategia aRmaSenebeli~ gamarjvebis is mTvari xerxemali iqneba,

romelzedac axali xelisufleba aewyoba da romelic qveynis

aRmSeneblobis process daiwyebs. rac Seexeba dRes arsebul opoziciur

partiebs, yvelafer imis miuxedavad, rasac `nacmoZraobis~ liderebi

akeTeben, am partiis mxardamWerebi am aRmSeneblobis mTavari

monawileebi iqnebian. piradad me ki vapireb, rom am koaliciuri

mmarTvelobis premier-ministri gavxde!~

SemTxvevaSic igivea, rom kuzians

samaris meti veraferi gaasworebs.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, praqtikulad,

ase gamodis.

_ hoda, erT mdinareSi meored

SesvliT, anu 2018 wels opozici-

uri gaerTianeba „nacmoZraobasTan”

erTad rom SeqmeniT, Sec-

doma xom ar dauSviT?

_ warsulze „Cacikvla” ar miyvars.

_ ukacravad, es ra SuaSia?

_ me yovelTvis momavalze

vfiqrob da amitomac ar vTvli,

rom Secdoma davuSvi! 2018 wels

mec, qalbatonma Takom da saer-

Tod, yvelam vaCveneT, rom 10, 12,

15 Tu Tundac 17-procentian mxardaWeraSi

Caketvaze gacilebiT

didi perspeqtiva arsebobs. sxva-

Ta Soris, 2017 wlis adgilobrivi

TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebSi es

17 procenti „nacmoZraobam” didi

vaivaglaxiT miiRo. mokled, xom

iciT, cda bedis monaxevreao da

Cvenc SevecadeT, magram maT es

perspeqtiva ver dainaxes da isev

viwro anklavuri gza airCies.

_ bolos, batono giorgi, miTxariT,

31 oqtombrisgan ras elo-

debiT?

_ 31 oqtombers opoziciuri Zalebis

did gamarjvebas velodebi!

_ Tundac Tqveni saubridan kidev

erTxel gamoCnda, rom opoz-

iciuri Zalebi Zalian Wrelia.

amitom konkretulad miTxariT,

piradad Tqven, ras elodebiT?

_ „strategia aRmaSenebeli” gamarjvebis

is mTvari xerxemali iqneba,

romelzedac axali xelisufleba

aewyoba da romelic qveynis aRm-

Seneblobis process daiwyebs. rac

Seexeba dRes arsebul opoziciur

partiebs, yvelafer imis miuxedavad,

rasac „nacmoZraobis” liderebi

akeTeben, am partiis mxardam-

Werebi am aRmSeneblobis mTavari

monawileebi iqnebian. piradad me ki

vapireb, rom am koaliciuri mmar-

Tvelobis premier-ministri gavxde!

_ am koaliciur mTavrobaSi,

romlis premierobasac gegmavT,

„nacionalebi” Semovlen?

_ Semovlen, aba, sad wavlen, sxva

ra gza eqnebaT?!

_ amas winaT, erT-erTi gamos-

vlisas, ganacxadeT, SurisZiebaze

ki ara, saqmeze koncentrirebuli

premieri viqnebio. SurisZieba, miT

umetes, politikuri niSniT, cxadia,

dauSvebelia, magram adamiane-

bi samarTlianobis aRdgenas iTxoven.

amas rogor moaxerxebT, ba-

tono giorgi?

_ samarTlianobis aRdgena

Zalian martivia.

_ anu?

_ sasamarTlos reformis modeliT,

romelsac xeli movawere.

saerTod, yvelafers, rasac vambob,

vasruleb xolme.

_ kerZod?

_ pirdapiri wesiT arCeuli mosamarTleebi

da aseve saapelacio

palatebis ucxoeli mosamarTleebiT

dakompleqteba. sanam es ar

iqneba, korufciul saqmeebsac ver

gamoviZiebT, magram es reforma sam

TveSi gatardeba. saerTod, yvelam,

vinc moipara, fuli unda daabrunos,

oRond maRali avtoritetis

mqone sasamarTlo instanciam unda

Tqvas, rom konkretulma adamianma

fuli moipara.

_ ucxoeli mosamarTleebiT

dakompleqtebulma sasamarTlom

korufciaSi monawileoba Tqvens

Tanagundels rom daudasturos,

mainc dasjiT?

_ Tanagundeli ki ara, Cemi Svili

da Zmac rom iyos, dacvis garantia

ar eqneba! Tu amas ar gavakeTebT,

saxelmwifos verasodes

avaSenebT!

_ ise, Tako Carkvianis kovid-

inficirebis gamo „strategia aRmaSenebeli”

saburTalos maJori-

tarul olqSi gegmebs xom ar

Secvlis?

_ marTalia, koronavirusi ar

damidasturda, magram mec TviTizolaciaSi

var da daavadebaTa

kontrolis centridan Semdgom instruqciebs

velodebi. es CvenTvis

didi dartymaa, radgan qalbatoni

Tako xalxs Zalian uyvars, Tumca

axal meqanizmebs SevimuSavebT,

saarCevno kampania rogor unda CavataroT!

_ imedia, Tako Carkviani male

gamojanmrTeldeba. hoda, Tqvenc

da Takosac warmatebas gisur-

vebT!

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lisufleba „kovid-19-s” Tavis

sasargeblod?

am da sxva mniSvnelovani Te-

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gia xuxaSvils esaubra:

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kapitalizacia SeZlos. opozicia

amas an ver akeTebs, an _ sakmaod

uxarisxod. bunebrivia, xelisuflebac

gaCerebulia, radgan

mis interesebSi sulac ar

Sedis viTarebis xelovnurad

gadaxureba. aqedan gamomdinare,

es opoziciis problemaa, rom is

ver axerxebs saarCevno procesSi

dinamikis akrefas. isini erTmaneTTan

kinklaobiTa da gamiSvi-gamatareTi

arian, jerjerobiT,

dakavebulebi.

_ Tqven axseneT Sida kinklao-

ba opoziciaSi. faqtia, rom

opoziciuri erToba verc saer-

To maJoritari kandidatebis

nawilSi Sedga, aseve „Zala erTo-

baSias” gamoeyo giorgi vaSaZe da

Tako Carkviani. raze mianiSnebs

opoziciaSi mimdinare procese-

bi?

_ vfiqrob, opoziciaSi kanonzomieri

procesebia. saqarTveloSi

ase xdeba: rodesac fundamenturi,

msoflmxedvelobrivi sxvaobebia

da garda amisa, rodesac

opoziciis SigniT konkurencia

maRalia, grZelvadiani TanamSromloba

ar gamodis. rac ar unda

ecadon, saboloo jamSi, konfliqti

gardauvalia. pirvel etapze

Tematurma TanamSromlobam Sedegi

gamoiRo, sakonstitucio

cvlilebebs vgulisxmob, Sedegi

miiRes. marTalia, TviTon ver

gaiformes da imdeni sisulele

akeTes, rom lamis xelisuflebam

gaiforma sakonstitucio cvlilebebi,

magram, realurad, ase ar

iyo, Cven xom gvaxsovs. opozicia-

Si aseTi Tematuri TanamSromloba,

rasac maT konkurenciasTan an

msoflmxedvelobriv sakiTxebTan

kavSiri ar aqvs, efeqtiania. rac

Seexeba saarCevno TanamSromlobas,

es Tavidanve gasagebi iyo,

rom ar gamovidoda. opoziciuri

partiebis koordinacia gasagebia,

magram „yvela erTis winaaRmdeg”

es istoria, rogorc wesi, saqarTveloSi

ar muSaobs an Tu muSaobs,

mxolod revoluciur situaciaSi.

dRes revoluciuri situacia

ar aris, aqedan gamomdinare,

sulac ver vxedav tragedias

imaSi, rom garda xelisuflebasTan

konkurenciisa, opozicia-

Si Sida konkurenciac gamwvavebulia.

am saarCevno modelSi, romliTac

Cven arCevnebze mivdivarT,

gamomdinare iqidan, rom

molodinia multipartiul sistemasTan

dakavSirebiT, barieri

ki, faqtobrivad, bunebrivTan aris

gaTanabrebuli, aseT mocemulobaSi

sulac ar vxedav imis

aucileblobas, rom opozicia

erTiani frontiT unda gamodiodes.

Tu partias 1%-iani barieris

gadalaxva ar SeuZlia, anu

saSualod 20 000 laris miReba,

maSin daanebon politikas Tavi,

nu aqvT raRac pretenziebi. es

modeli, rodesac parlamentSi

SesaZloa meti partia aRmoCndes

(Cven winasaarCevno ki ara, postsaarCevno

koaliciebze visaubroT,

anu miRebuli Sedegis mixedviT

moxdes formireba raRac er-

Tianobis), mimaCnia, rom aris normaluri,

bunebrivi procesi. ama-

Si ubedurebas ver vxedav. sxva sakiTxia,

rom opozicia xSir SemTxvevaSi

Zalian mtkivneulad aRiqvams

aseT sakiTxebs, Tu vin iqneba

premieri. da amaze pedalireba,

aqcentireba mxolod xelisuflebis

TamaSis nawilia. dro midis

da nacvlad imisa, rom Tavisi

veqtori pozitiur dRis wesrigsa

da xelisuflebasTan oponirebaze

mimarTon, partiebi, ZiriTadad,

erTmaneTSi saqmeebs ar-

Ceven, rac sruli sibriyvea da

bunebrivia, xelisuflebis wisqvilze

asxams wyals.

_ am nawilSi ra rols asrulebs

mixeil saakaSvilis aqtiuro-

ba da misi gancxadebebi? esec

xom ar asxams wyals „qarTuli

ocnebis” wisqvilze?

_ „mgeli modis” istoria sakmaod

gacveTilia, miT umetes, im

fonze, rodesac saakaSvilma gamoacxada,

rom ar apirebs areulobis

Semotanas da arCevnebamde

ar gegmavs Camosvlas. aman saerTod

gaanula es politteqnologia,

rodesac xelisufleba ambobs,

rom: „me Tu ar viqnebi, miSa

mova da yvelas Tavebs dagayrevinebT”,

_ es istoria Tu muSaobs,

mxolod mcire segmentze. Zalian

mgrZnobiare unda iyos adamiani,

rom am mdinareSi kidev meased Setopos.

aqedan gamomdinare, vfiqrob,

es istoria ukve warsuls

Cabarda. miT umetes, xelisufleba

ver grZnobs amis saWiroebas

da aucileblobas. Tumca ar gamovricxav,

rodesac am Tvis bolos

kidev erTxel gazomaven reitingebs,

SeiZleba aRmoCndes,

rom mmarTveli gundis poziciebi

arcTu ise myaria, rogorc

TviTon hgoniaT. aseT SemTxveva-

Si SeiZleba, am isterias kidev

erTxel mimarTon. anu rogor

Txris miSa londonidan gomboramde

morig gvirabs. es gamosaricxi

ar aris, magram dReis situaciiT

amis arc safuZveli arsebobs

da arc amis saWiroeba, ase

fiqrobdnen xelisuflebaSi. saakaSvils

aqvs absoluturad swori

gaTvla, mas ramdenime amocana

hqonda am procesSi gadasawyveti:

gare, neitralur amomrCevelze

miSa saakaSvili ar da ver

imuSavebs, radgan samobilizacio

uyurebs, rogorc

biznesproeqts~

eleqtorats ar moswons „qarTuli

ocneba”, magram ar aris mzad,

rom „nacionaluri moZraobis”

arCevans daubrundes. Sesabamisad,

am eleqtoratze muSaoba ar

aris saakaSvilis mTavari amocana,

misi mTavari amocanaa saku-

Tari amomrCevlis konsolidacia,

anu maTTvis maqsimaluri mxneobis

micema. meore amocana am

eleqtoralur gayofaSi, romelic

„nacionalur moZraobasa” da

„evropul saqarTvelos” Soris

mimdinareobs, is aris, rac Sei-

Zleba meti procenti daitovos

TviTon da ver moaxerxos „evropulma

saqarTvelom” Cum-Cumad

„nacionaluri moZraobis” eleqtoratis

wayvana. amitom saakaSvilis

aqtiuroba mniSvnelovani iyo

da mesame amocana, rac gansakuTrebiT

seriozulia, es aris orpolusianobis

SenarCuneba, sainformacio

velis mTlianad Sevseba.

gasul kviras, rac saakaSvili

aqtiurobda, faqtobrivad, yvelas

yvela partia daaviwyda. isev

`saakaSvils aqvs absoluturad swori gaTvla,

mas ramdenime amocana hqonda am procesSi

gadasawyveti: gare, neitralur amomrCevelze

miSa saakaSvili ar da ver imuSavebs, radgan

samobilizacio eleqtorats ar moswons

`qarTuli ocneba~, magram ar aris mzad, rom

`nacionaluri moZraobis~ arCevans daubrundes.

Sesabamisad, am eleqtoratze muSaoba ar aris

saakaSvilis mTavari amocana, misi mTavari

amocanaa sakuTari amomrCevlis konsolidacia~

„qarTuli ocnebisa” da „nacionaluri

moZraobis” dapirispireba

iyo, orpolusianoba daabruna,

marTalia, droebiT, magram mainc.

miSa saakaSvils aqvs programa

minimumi da maqsimumi. saakaSvili

ar fiqrobs, rom „nacionalur

moZraobas” SeuZlia arCevnebis

mogeba, misi programa maqsimumia,

xelisuflebam ver moigos arCevnebi.

amis Semdeg is sxva gasul

partiebSi darCeba yvelaze msxvil

warmonaqmnad, Sesabamisad,

Tavis irgvliv Sekrebs mmarTvel

koalicias, _ es aris misi programa

maqsimumi, anu maqsimalurad

moizidos parlamentSi gasuli

partiebi da mis orbitaze daatrialos

es yvelaferi. arsebobs

aseve programa minimumi: Tu moxda

ise, rom „qarTulma ocnebam”

gaimarjva, misTvis sasicocxlod

mniSvnelovania mTavari opoziciuri

Zalis statusis SenarCuneba,

_ am amocanas emsaxureba miSa

saakaSvilis, erTi SexedviT, ucnauri

aqtivobebi. miSa rom ambobs,

Camovalo, Semdeg ki ver Camodis,

es mas ver azianebs sakuTari amomrCevlis

winaSe, radgan mas argumentebis

moyvana yovelTvis Seu-

Zlia, Tu ratom Camodioda da ratom

veRar Camodis. miT umetes,

yvelas moewona misi mSvidomismyofeli

gzavnili, rom mas destabilizacia

ar surs saqarTvelo-

Si. es misi imijisTvis Seusabamoa,

magram yvelas moewona. SeiZleba,

misi mxardamWeri ar iyos, magram

misi mSvidobismoyvare ganwyoba

adamianebs malamosaviT moxvda

gulze. am qveyanaSi destabilizacia

aravis unda, amas kvlevebic

aCvenebs. viRac SeiZleba, saakaSvilTan

mimarTebiT raRacaze xiTxiTebs,

magram, realurad, gasagebia,

rom mas aqvs absoluturad

racionaluri politikuri

amocanebi da maT Sesrulebas me-

Todurad mihyveba.

_ amis paralelurad „evrop-

uli saqarTvelo” maqsimalurad

cdilobs, amomrCevels daanaxos,

ra gansxvavebaa maTsa da „nacio-

nalur moZraobas” Soris, amisTvis

broSurebic ki daariga. isi-

ni aseve cdiloben, pozitiuri

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iqiT dRes gza ar aqvs~

winasaarCevno kampania hqondeT.

ramdenad sworia maTi strate-

gia?

_ Tu am qveyanaSi arsebobs politikuri

gamocdileba da politikuri

inteleqti, didwilad es

Tavmoyrilia „evropul saqarTveloSi”.

maT ician muSaoba, nebismier

situaciaSi SesaZleblis maqsimumis

miReba, Sesabamisad raRac

matriciT muSaoben. Tumca maTi

mcdeloba, gaemijnon „nacionalur

moZraobas” da amiT gavidnen

samobilizacio eleqtoratze,

anu im eleqtoratze, romelsac

arCevani ar gaukeTebia, es aris

sizifes Sroma. Tu es eleqtorati

fiqrobs, rom miSa saakaSvilma

raRac daaSava da amis gamo

„nacionalur moZraobas” xmas

arasdros miscems, „evropuli

saqarTvelos” motivi ki Tu am

eleqtoratis mizidvaa, es aris

tragikomedia, imitom, rom es

eleqtorati igive danaSaulze,

rasac saakaSvilze fiqrobs, solidarulad

pasuxismgeblad miiCnevs

bokerias. bokerias ar unda

hqondes imis iluzia, rom eleqtoratis

es nawili ifiqrebs,

saakaSvili cudi kacia, bokeria _

kargio. metsac getyviT: me Zalian

bevri adamiani vici, romelsac

bokeria metad ejavreba 2012

wlamde istoriebis gamo, vidre _

saakaSvili. ase rom, miSa cudia da

me TeTri, fumfula var, _ es

Zalian sasacilo istoriaa. garda

amisa, „evropuli saqarTvelos”

winasaarCevno baneri: bokeria

ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg, _

komikuria. miuxedavad imisa, rom

„evropul saqarTvelos” politikuri

inteleqti dagrovili

aqvs, etyoba, mainc isteriuli

sindromi sWirs da raRacas fafxurobs,

Tumca raRac Sedegs

dadebs. ar vambob, rom isini gareT

darCebian, maT namdvilad

ician da SeuZliaT muSaoba.

_ gasul kviras ki „qarTulma

ocnebam” proporciuli siis

oceuli waradgina, prezentaciaze

sityviT gamovida ivaniSvili,

romelsac arc erTi da-

pireba ar gaucia, raze metyv-

elebs es faqti?

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” gzavnili

is ki ar aris, rom xval ukeTesad

vicxovrebT, aramed maT aqvT

gzavnili, rom Wkvianad iyaviT, me

unda viyo xelisuflebaSi, Torem

raRac saSineleba moxdeba da

kidev uaresad icxovrebT. es aris

gzavnili, rasac „qarTuli ocneba”

sazogadoebaSi uSvebs. amasac

imitom akeTebs, rom sxva saWiroeba

ar aqvs, radgan opozicia

ver debs verafers. „qarTul ocnebas”

iluziebis Seqmna mxolod

im SemTxvevaSi dasWirdeba, Tu aqtiuroba

iqneba opoziciur flangze.

„qarTuli ocneba” am arCevnebs

uyurebs, rogorc erTjerad

specoperacias. 200-300 lari

gadavugde da amiT arCevnebi viyide,

_ ase aRiqvamen isini. biZina

ivaniSvili am arCevnebs uyurebs,

rogorc biznesproeqts. is arCevnebis

mogebas ki ara, erTjera-

`me Zalian bevri adamiani vici, romelsac bokeria metad ejavreba 2012

wlamde istoriebis gamo, vidre - saakaSvili~

dad yidvas apirebs. mas isic kargad

esmis, rom mis sityvasa da

dapirebebs fasi dakarguli aqvs.

gansauTrebiT gardamtexi iyo am

kuTxiT misi sajaro dapireba

proporciul arCevnebTan dakav-

SirebiT, romlis Semdegac warmoudgenlad

gadaagdo ara mxolod

qarTuli sazogadoeba,

aramed _ mTeli msoflio. yvelas

Sehpirda sajarod da yvela gadaagdo.

amis Semdeg misi reputacia

da sityvis fasi nulia. mas es mSvenivrad

esmis, amitom misi piridan

naTqvami dapirebebi gasagebia,

rom Zalian aradamajerebeli

iqneba da piriqiT _ ufro gaaRizianebs

adamianebs. amitomac is

aravis arafers hpirdeba, ubralod,

aSinebs yvelas, rom is Tu ar

iqneba, kidev ufro cudad eqnebaT

saqme. es aris mocemuloba.

aqedan gamomdinare, is axorcielebs

biznesproeqts. is ki ara,

rom Tqven mere kargad icxovrebT,

aramed axla giWirs Sen, es

200 lari Seni iyos da modi, xma

momeci, _ am cinikur damokidebulebaze

aqvs arCevnebis mogeba

awyobili. viRacas 300-s, viRacas

100 lars gadaugdebs, miT umetes,

rom pandemiis fonze socialuri

mosyidvis sakmaod kargi safuZveli

aqvs Seqmnili ise, rom sazogadoebas

pretenzia TiTqos

ver eqneba.

_ rac Seexeba Tavad sias, gaxaria

pirveli nomeria. is gaxar-

ia, romelsac 20 ivnisis Semdeg

Sinagan saqmeTa ministris postis

datovebas sTxovdnen, Tumca

daawinaures da dRemde inar-

Cunebs adgils. Tqven araerTx-

el aRginiSnavT, rom ivaniSvils

Tavisze Zlierisa da reitingu-

li xalxis eSinia. gaxarias naw-

ilSi ra xdeba, riT axsniT imas,

rom is pozicias kvlav inar-

Cunebs?

_ vfiqrob, rom esec Zalian

logikuria. obieqturad gaxaria

erTaderTi figuraa „qarTul

ocnebaSi”, romelmac garkveuli

politikuri kapitali akrifa. miuxedavad

imisa, rom mas bevri oponenti

hyavs, igi erTaderTi adamiania,

visac arCevnebze maqsimaluri

Sedegis dadeba SeuZlia.

kvlevebic aCvenebs, rom negatiur

da pozitiur reitingebs Soris

dadebiTi mxolod gaxarias

aqvs, danarCeni yvela minusebSia.

`qarTuli ocnebis~ gzavnili is ki ar aris,

rom xval ukeTesad vicxovrebT, aramed maT

aqvT gzavnili, rom Wkvianad iyaviT, me unda

viyo xelisuflebaSi, Torem raRac saSineleba

moxdeba da kidev uaresad icxovrebT. es aris

gzavnili, rasac `qarTuli ocneba~

sazogadoebaSi uSvebs. amasac imitom akeTebs,

rom sxva saWiroeba ar aqvs, radgan opozicia

ver debs verafers~

garkveuli qarizmac SeiZina, saRad

moazrovnea da, Sesabamisad, bi-

Zina ivaniSvils moswons Tu ar

moswons, mas gaxarias iqiT dRes

gza ar aqvs. paradoqsul raRacas

getyviT: gaxaria zustad imitom

dainiSna premierad, rom 20 ivniss

iyo movlenebis epicentrSi, radgan

biZina ivaniSvilis marTvis

modeli aseTia, _ is mSvidad grZnobs

Tavs mxolod komprometirebul

adamianebTan. kompromati

misTvis adamianis marTvis instrumentia.

20 ivniss, rodesac gaxariaze

daido kompromati, man Ca-

Tvala, rom gaxaria misTvis saSi-

Si aRar iyo da zustad amitom,

amis Semdeg daniSna premierad. is,

faqtobrivad, qveyanas komprometirebuli

adamianebiT, dosieebiT

marTavs. aseTi dosie, ra Tqma

unda, yvelaze arsebobs, maT Soris,

gaxariaze. 20 ivnisi zustad

gaxda gaxarias sapremiero karieris

dasawyisi da ara dasasruli.

arsebobs meore safrTxe, rac ivaniSvils

ar moswons: erTi mxriv,

gaxaria ar aris misTvis saxifa-

To, magram angrevs miToss, rom

yvelgan da yvelaferSi ivaniSvilia

da swored mis xarjze arian

es adamianebi xelisuflebaSi.

Cndeba gancda, rom arCevnebs igebs

ara ivaniSvili, aramed _ gaxaria.

miuxedavad imisa, rom gaxaria

piradad ivaniSvilisTvis

safrTxe ar aris, TviTon es legenda

ivaniSvilisTvis xifaTs warmoadgens

imitom, rom mis miTologias

angrevs mTlianad. aqedan

gamomdinare, misi amocana dRes

aris is, rom gaxarias Seasrulebinos

Savi samuSao, magram mTeli

dividendebi TviTon waiRos,

anu gaxarias gaakeTebinos, magram

am gakeTebul saqmes daerqvas bi-

Zina ivaniSvilis saxeli. amas

rogor moaxerxebs ivaniSvili, es

uaxloes TveebSi gamoCndeba. gamomdinare

iqidan, rom gaxaria

ivaniSvilisTvis saSiSi ar aris,

radgan nebismier momentSi Seu-

Zlia misi moSoreba, ra enaRvleba

_ an gadaagdebs, an daitovebs

did rux masaSi gaTqvefils, radgan

modeli asea awyobili. ivaniSvili

Tavisi biznesmodeliT fiqrobs,

rom „qarTuli ocneba”

araTu partia, aramed saaqcio

sazogadoebaa, romlis aqciebis

100% misi sakuTrebaa. Sesabamisad,

is uflebamosilia menejmenti

daniSnos, moxsnas da a. S., ase

uyurebs ivaniSvili am models.

_ dRevandeli mocemulobiT

rekordulad izrdeba koronavi-

rusiT

dainficirebulTa

raodenoba. riT axsniT am faqts

_ moaduna Tu ara yuradReba xelisuflebam?

aseve amave nawil-

Si arsebobs mosazreba, rom xe-

lisufleba xelovnurad zrdis

statistikas. arCevnebis moaxloebasTan

erTad ramdenad re-

alisturi ggoniaT es?

_ Tu xelisufleba am TamaSs

TamaSobs, es Zalian sariskoa,

radgan Tu raRacas gadaamlaSeb,

SeiZleba problema cudad Semogitrialdes.

spartaSi, roca omSi

midiodnen aseTi gamoTqma iyo:

fariT an farze. amis perifrazi

rom gavakeToT, ase gamodis: koroniT

an koronaze. korona am

periodSi dividendebis mopovebis

TvalsazrisiT xelisuflebis

mokavSire iyo, magram Tu Zalian

gaerTnen am TamaSiT, es SeiZleba,

piriqiT, Zalian cudad SemoutrialdeT.

Tu marTvis kontroli

daikarga, es SeiZleba xelisuflebis

mimarT seriozul agresiaSi

gadaizardos. Tu daikarga

gancda, rom xelisuflebis krizismenejmenti

efeqtiania, es piriqiT

datrialdeba. dinamika ki imas

aCvenebs, rom SeiZleba ase moxdes.

Cveni jandacvis sistemis

SesaZleblobebi Zalian SezRudulia.

dReSi 100 kaci rom dainficirdes,

2-3 kviraSi SesaZloa,

Cveni resursebi amoiwuros. es im

periodSi xdeba, rodesac Cveulebrivi

virusebi da koronavirusi

erTmaneTSi gadaizileba da

maTi gayofa Zalian gaWirdeba.

SeiZleba, aseT pirobebSi gadaxurdes

jandacvis sistema da xelisuflebam

dakargos marTvis

sadaveebi. am SemTxvevaSi xelisuflebas

realoba Zalian cudad

SeiZleba Semoutrialdes. ase

rom, es Zalian sarisko, antihumanuri

da sadisturi TamaSi iqneba,

Tu viRac am yvelafriT manipulirebas

daapirebs. ar minda vTqva,

rom xelisufleba amas ake-

Tebs, radgan es Zalian mZime braldebaa.

sjobs, amis gamoyeneba

azradac aravis mouvides, _ arc

xelisuflebisa da arc opoziciis

mxridan. adamianebis sicocxlesTan

TamaSi umZimesi danaSaulia,

rasac eZleva kacobriobis

winaSe Cadenili danaSaulis kvalifikacia.

am etapze ar mgonia,

rom sistemurad xelisufleba

xelovnurad zrdides statistikas.

SeiZleba, patar-patara raRacebs

eSmakoben, magram is, rom

politikuri miznebisTvis statistikas

xelovnurad zrdidnen,

amas, praqtikulad, gamovricxav,

radgan farulad amis gakeTeba,

ubralod, SeuZlebelia. Cven imdenad

patara qveyana varT. garda

amisa, Zalian sariskoa, rom am

TamaS-TamaSSi SeiZleba ise gageqces

procesi, rom yvelaferi

Tavze Camogexmos.

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gasul kviras „qarTulma oc-

nebam” saarCevno siis oceuli waradgina. parlamentis yofili

Tavmjdomare, „ocnebis” saarCevno Stabis xelmZRvaneli da

SeTavsebiT gavrilovis gidi irakli kobaxiZe gvpirdeboda,

rom mmarTveli partiis sarCevno sia iqneboda raRac saocre-

ba. sia marTlac gasaocari iyo. iseTi gasaocari, rom TviT

mamali qocebic ki gaogndnen. rogorc mosalodneli iyo, sia-

Si yofili „nacebic” iyvnen. TvalSi sacemi iyo isic, rom

oceulSi aravin moxvedrila im xalxidan, vinc 2012 wlamde

iricxeboda „qarTul ocnebaSi”.

opoziciur

gaerTianeba

„Zala erTobaSias” erT-erT

lider murman dumbaZes ar gah-

kvirvebia saarCevno siis aseTi

Semadgenloba. is darwmunebu-

lia, rom biZina ivaniSvili wels

wasvliT iseve gagvaxarebs,

rogorc 2012 wels mosvliT

gagvaxara. ivaniSvilis yofili

TanamebrZoli ambobs, rom mTa-

var meocnebeze yvelaze didi

gavlena aqvs mis Svil beras.

murman dumbaZe beras mou-

wodebs, mamasTan erTad dajdes

da mas politikidan wasvlis win

saTqmeli teqsti dauweros.

ras upirebs opozicia

ivaniSvils arCevnebis mogebis

SemTxvevaSi? ratom aRar aris

„ocnebaSi” is xalxi, romelmac

2012 wlis gamarjveba moitana?

ratom daiyenes gverdiT odio-

zuri kaxa oqriaSvili, romelic

kbilebiT icavda maJori-

tarul sistemas? ratom aris

saWiro mixeil saakaSvili? _ am

Temebis Sesaxeb murman dumbaZe

„qronika+“-s esaubreba:

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” saa-

rCevno siis pirveli oceuli

cnobilia. am oceulma „ocneb-

is” momxreebic ki gaaogna.

Tqven ras gvetyviT am Semadgen-

lobaze?

_ simarTle giTxraT, ar mainteresebs,

Tu vin iqneba „qarTuli

ocnebis” saarCevno siaSi.

_ ratom ar gainteresebT?

_ imitom, rom kargad vici _

„qarTuli ocnebis” siis pirveli

nomeric biZina ivaniSvilia

da yvela sxva danarCenic. am sia-

Si arian is adamianebi, romlebsac

arc politikuri warsuli

gaaCniaT da _ arc momavlis perspeqtiva.

isini siaSi imitom moxvdnen,

rom yvelafers gaakeTeben,

rasac maTgan ivaniSvili

moiTxovs. am xalxs qveynis aRm-

SeneblobaSi aranairi wvlili ar

SeutaniaT da arc momavalSi

gaakeTeben rames saqarTvelosTvis.

imisTvis, rom saqme gakeTdes

da qveyana ganviTardes, sakanonmdeblo

organoSi sul sxvanairi

azrovnebis xalxi unda

Sevides. brZolis Sedegad opoziciam

imas mivaRwieT, rom Ti-

Tqmis proporciuli arCevnebi

tardeba. am arCevnebSi aucileblad

gaimarjvebs opozicia, rac

qveyanaSi seriozuli reformebis

dawyebis safuZveli gaxdeba.

is xalxi, romelic „qarTul

ocebaSia”, am reformebs ar da

ver gaatarebs. arc maTi axali

saxeebs imedi maqvs da saerTod

ar mesmis da vemijnebi cnebas _

axali saxeebi politikaSi.

_ ratom emijnebiT? bevri

miiCnevs, rom qarTul poli-

tikaSi axali saxeebia saWiro.

_ axali saxe politikaSi ar

arsebobs. politikaSi ra unda

iseT adamians, romelsac aravin

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icnobs? rodesac cudad varT

da saavadmyofoSi mivdivarT, iq

vkiTxulobT, Tu vin aris yvelaze

gamocdili eqimi. politika-

Sic gamocdili kadria saWiro.

me axali saxeebis winaaRmdegi ar

var, magram axali saxe cota sxvanairad

mesmis.

_ sxvanairad rogor?

_ politikaSi axal saxed Sei-

Zleba CavTvalo iseTi adamiani,

romelic aqamde parlamentis

wevri ar iyo, magram aqtiuri

moqalaqe gaxldaT. saqarTvelos

parlamenti mxolod aqtiuri

moqalaqeebiT unda kompleqtdebodes.

am TvalsazrisiT biZina

ivaniSvili Rrma Secdomas uSvebs.

mas parlamentSi iseTi xalxis

Seyvana surs, romlebic misi

nebis aRmsruleblebi iqnebian.

misTvis mTavari amocana axla

piradi usafrTxoebisa da qonebis

dacvaa. garantias gaZlevT,

rom arc erTsa da arc meores

safrTxe ar emuqreba, Tu arCevnebs

opozicia moigebs.

_ amiT risi Tqma gindaT, rom

dRevandeli opozicia ivaniSvi-

lis qonebisa da usafrTxoebis

dacvaze izrunebs?

_ dacvas ar apirebs, magram

misi usafrTxoebisa da qonebis

xelyofas aravin gegmavs. Cveni

mizania, rom saqarTvelosa da

mis mosaxleobas vuSveloT. saswrafod

unda davayenoT ekonomika

fexze. bevri samuSaoa Casatarebeli

saerTaSoriso partniorebis

dasabruneblad.

Cven erTxel da samudamod unda

movwydeT rusul orbitas. momavali

parlamenti unda dakompleqtdes

aqtiuri moqalaqeebiT,

kargi xalxiT, idealistebiT.

sakanonmdeblo organoSi

iseTi xalxi unda Sevides, romelsac

qveynis fexze dayenebis

unari Seswevs.

_ aseTi kargi xalxi da ide-

alistebi arian opoziciaSi?

_ vfiqrob, rom opoziciaSi

aris aseTi xalxi. sxva SemTxveva-

Si, ver mivaRwevdiT imas, rasac

mivaRwieT.

_ miRwevebSi ras gulisx-

mobT?

_ Zalian bevri da erTmaneTisgan

gansxvavebuli politikuri

partia dasxda molaparakebebis

magidasTTan.

_ magidasTan erTad dasxdo-

ma bevrs arafers niSnavs.

_ rogor ar niSnavs. saqarTveloSi

Zalian Znelia gansxvavebuli

azrovnebis adamianebis erT

magidasTan dasma. Cven es SevZeliT.

amis garda xeli movawereT

SeTanxmebas, rom nafici msajulebis

sistemas SemoviRebT. vTqviT,

rom ucxoel mosamarTleebs

ufro vendobiT da meoremesame

instanciis sasamarTlos

maT CavabarebT. amiT marTalia,

suverenitets ki vkargavT, magram

sxvanairad ar gamodis. amaSi

`saakaSvilis gareSe

murman dumbaZe:

`rogorc 2012-

Si mosvliT

gagvaxara

òcnebis~

liderma,

wels wasvliT

gagvaxarebs~

bolo 30 welmac dagvarwmuna.

xels vawerT uamravi sxva reformis

gatarebaze, maT Soris,

politikuri saxis reformebis.

magaliTisTvis: gadavalT sruliad

proporciul arCevnebze.

proporciulTan miaxloebuli

arCevnebi xom xelisuflebas opoziciam,

axalgazrdobam da mako

gomuris Tvalma daaniSvnina.

dRes rom saqarTveloSi proporciulTan

miaxloebuli arCevnebi

tardeba, es aqtiuri adamianebis

damsaxurebaa da ara imaTi,

romlebic politikaSi ragbidan,

kalaTburTidan an fexburTidan

Tu Widaobidan mividnen. am

kategoriis xalxs saerTod ar

ainteresebs, ra wesiT Catardeba

arCevnebi; arc is ainteresebs,

ra cvlilebebi gatardeba sasamarTloSi;

arc qveynis sagareo

kursze fiqrobs, maT mxolod

parlamentSi moxvedra, sakuTari

cxovrebis mowyoba da naTesavebis

dasaqmeba surT. Cveni azriT,

saqarTvelos parlamentSi

iseTi adamianebi unda SeuSva,

romlebic uxelfasodac ki imuSaveben.

_ uxelfasod vin Seva parla-

mentSi?

_ amis garkveva Zalian martivad

SeiZleba: aseTi eqsperimenti

CavataroT _ miviRoT kanoni,

rom saqarTvelos parlamentis

wevrebma uxelfasod imuSaon.

aseT SemTxvevaSi medroveebi

saarCevno siaSi aRar Caewerebian.

samagierod, saarCevno sia-

Si Caewereba daviT berZeniSvili,

radgan mas ainteresebs politika.

is politikisTvis aris dabadebuli.

_ Tqvensa da respublikelebs

Soris bolo wlebSi serio-

zuli dapirispireba iyo. axla

cota mikvirs, daviT berZeniS-

vilze ase rom saubrobT.

_ bolo aTi welia, rac daviT

berZeniSvilTan oponirebis

reJimSi var. amis miuxedavad,

ver uarvyof, rom is politikosia

da politikiT cxovrobs. mas

ainteresebs, rogor ganawildeba

xelisufleba. 2004-2012 wleb-

Si arc mixeil saakaSvili momwonda.

regionul doneze Cemze

Tavgadakluli oponenti miSas

ar hyolia.

_ samagierod, axla xarT misi

momxre.

_ imitom, rom mixeil saakaSvili

aris politikosi. ivaniS-

ìvaniSvils SeeZlo gaekeTebina is, rac

saakaSvilis xelisuflebam saerTod

ugulebelyo: ver moagvara prokuratura da

sasamarTlo sistema. biZinas am mimarTulebiT

rom gadaedga nabijebi, mixeil saakaSvilis

qarTul politikaSi dabrunebis saWiroebas

ver davinaxavdi~

vils SeeZlo gaekeTebina is, rac

saakaSvilis xelisuflebam saer-

Tod ugulebelyo: ver moagvara

prokuratura da sasamarTlo

sistema. biZinas am mimarTulebiT

rom gadaedga nabijebi, mixeil

saakaSvilis qarTul politikaSi

dabrunebis saWiroebas

ver davinaxavdi.

_ raSi sWirdeba qarTul

politikas mixeil saakaSvili?

_ mixeil saakaSvilis dabruneba

saWiro ki ara, gadaudebeli

aucileblobaa. uamravi

Savi saqmea gasakeTebeli.

_ Sav saqmeebSi ras gulisx-

mobT?

_ bevri mZime samuSaoa Casatarebeli,

uamravi saqmea gamosasworebeli.

dRes reputaciuli

riskis gawevaa saWiro. amis

unari ki mxolod mixeil saakaSvils

aqvs. amas mTeli msoflio

aRiarebs. mas dRemde miiCneven

msoflio klasis politikosad.

isic vaRiaroT, rom opozicia

mixeil saakaSvilis gareSe biZina

ivaniSvils ver daamarcxebs.

SevqmnaT masTan erTad koalicia,

mivideT arCevnebamde, davsxdeT

parlamentSi da saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebi amoviyvanoT

umZimesi gaWirvebidan. samegrelos,

guriisa da imereTis bevri

sofeli moviare. ukiduresi gaWirveba

vnaxe iq. am gaWirvebasTan

erTad isic davinaxe, rom saqar-

Tvelos mosaxleobis did umravlesobas

ukve miRebuli aqvs

gadawyvetileba, Tu ra arCevans

gaakeTebs oqtomberSi. isini

aucileblad Secvlian biZina

ivaniSvils. mas aRaraferi eSveleba

da 31 oqtombris saRamos

im marcxis aRiareba mouwevs,

romelic iwvnia saakaSvilma 2012

wlis pirvel oqtombers. ivaniSvilma

rogorc 2012 wlis pirvel

oqtombers gagvaxara mosvliT,

mimdinare wlis 31 oqtombers

wasvliT unda gagvaxaros.

darwmunebuli var, rom oqtomberSi

amiT marTla gavixarebT.

_ Tqven TqviT, rom saakaSvilis

gareSe ivaniSvils ver da-

vamarcxebTo. es SeiZleba mar-

Tlac asea, magram saakaSvilis

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ivaniSvils ver davamarcxebT~

faqtors „qarTuli ocneba”

xalxis dasaSineblad iyenebs _

miSa brundeba da isev saSinelebebi

datrialdeba saqarTvelo-

Sio. amasTan gamklavebas rogor

apirebT?

_ amasTan gamklaveba saWiro

aRar aris. aqamde marTla axerxebdnen

saakaSviliT xalxis SeSinebas,

magram axla es meTodi

ver gaWris. saakaSvili aucileblad

dabrundeba, am SemTxveva-

Si Cven konkretulad miSaze ki

ara, saqarTvelos moqalaqeze

unda visaubroT. vinc ambobs,

rom raSi gvWirdeba miSas Camosvlao,

is ugulebelyofs saqar-

Tvelos moqalaqeebis nebas. swored

rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeebzea

damokidebuli, rogor

da ranairad mova saqarTvelos

mesame prezidenti xelisuflebaSi.

me ar mesmis im opoziciuri

partiebis, romlebic Tavs

iklaven, rom arafriT dauWeren

mxars saakaSvilis premierobas.

_ ratom ar gesmiT? maT xom

aqvT ufleba, rom sakuTari

azri hqondeT da ar undodeT

miSa premierad?

_ amis ufleba rogor ar

aqvT, magram aq saubari ara konkretulad

miSas dabrunebaze,

aramed sxva rameze unda iyos.

Cven unda ganvsazRvroT algoriTmi,

Tu roogori wesiT

dasaxeldeba premieris Tanamdebobaze

adamiani. yvela partiam

unda daasaxelos Tavisi premierobis

kandidati da dae,

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebma gadawyviton,

Tu vin iqneba momavali

mTavrobis meTauri. saparlamento

arCevnebi TiTqmis proporciuli

wesiT tardeba. romeli

proporciac yvelaze warmatebuli

iqneba, bunebrivia, is Zala

moipovebs upiratesobas premieris

wardgenis dros. vTqvaT,

blokma „Zala erTobaSiam” arCevnebze

miiRo 49%, 1% miiRo

leiboristulma partiam da amdenive

_ „girCma”. Cven jamurad

gveqneba ukve 51%. am SemTxveva-

Si sam partias ukve SeeZleba,

rom mTavroba daakompleqtos.

am SemTxvevaSic ar iqneba gamarTlebuli,

rom „girCis” ufrosi

davniSnoT premierad da mixeil

saakaSvils vuTxraT uari,

romlis koaliciamac 49% aiRo.

amitom vambob, rom ara mixeil

saakaSvilze, aramed algoriTmze

unda SevTanxmdeT, Tu ra

wesiT vasaxelebT premieris kandidaturas.

mixeil saakaSvili koaliciuri

mmarTvelobisTvis mzad aris.

„Zala erTobaSiac” amis erTerTi

dasturia. am gaerTianebas

kidev SemouerTdebian sxva politikuri

partiebi. 2018 wlis

saprezidento arCevnebSi grigol

vaSaZem koaliciuri wesiT

moigo pirveli turi, praqtikulad.

„nacionaluri” moZraobis

wevri arasdros vyofilvar, magram

mas davuWire mxari. arc nika

maWutaZe yofila „nacionalebis”

momxre, magram manac grigol

vaSaZes dauWira mxari. dRes

`proporciulTan miaxloebuli arCevnebi xom xelisuflebas opoziciam,

axalgazrdobam da mako gomuris Tvalma daaniSvnina. dRes rom

saqarTveloSi proporciulTan miaxloebuli arCevnebi tardeba, es aqtiuri

adamianebis damsaxurebaa da ara imaTi, romlebic politikaSi ragbidan,

kalaTburTidan an fexburTidan Tu Widaobidan mividnen~

Cven gaerTianeba „Zala erToba-

Sia” varT mizidulobis Zala. aq

mTavari partia aris „nacionaluri

moZraoba”. is yvela politikur

Zalas ajobebs arCevneb-

Si da amaSi Rrmad var darwmunebuli.

_ ratom xarT aseTi darwmu-

nebuli?

_ imitom, rom vici xalxis

ganwyoba. uamrav adamianTan

mqonda Sexvedra. isini „nacionaluri

moZraobisTvis” apireben

xmis micemas. „nacionalebs” gansakuTrebiT

didi mxardaWera

aqvT regionebSi. ar vambob, rom

es Zalian kargia, magram dRes

aseTi mocemuloba gvaqvs da amas

unda gavyveT. dRes arCevani or

nomers _ 5-sa da 41-s Soris keTdeba.

dedaqalaqSi cota sxva vi-

Tarebaa da aq arCevani ufro

mravalferovani iqneba. saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebma unda gadawyviton,

vin iqneba koaliciaSi

da vin gaxdeba am koaliciis lideri.

koaliciuri modeli auci-

N20 (322) 15.09-21.09.2020 w.

leblad gamoasworebs im Secdomebs,

romlebic 2012 wlidan

dauSves. seriozulad aris fundamenti

imisTvis Cayrili, rom

xelisufleba ganawildes da dabalansdes.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom

xelisufleba dabalansdeba?

_ eWvi ar mepareba. is minusebi,

rac SevardnaZis, saakaSvilisa

da ivaniSvilis dros iyo, im

sistemam warmoqmna, raSic dRemde

vcxovrobT. am sistemis Secvla

gadawyvetilia.

_ zemoT TqviT, rom Semdegi

arCevnebi srulad proporciu-

li wesiT Catardeba, razedac

opozicia SeTanxmebuli varTo.

ra garantia gvaqvs, rom mar-

Tlac ase iqneba? Tqven, opoziciam

xom TanamSromlobis SeTanxmeba

gaaformeT kaxa oqriaSvilTan,

romelic Riad upir-

ispirdeboda

proporciul

sistemas?

_ Cvens blokSi kaxa oqriaSvilis

Semosvlas didi ambebi mo-

`vici xalxis ganwyoba. uamrav adamianTan

mqonda Sexvedra. isini `nacionaluri

moZraobisTvis~ apireben xmis micemas.

`nacionalebs~ gansakuTrebiT didi mxardaWera

aqvT regionebSi. ar vambob, rom es Zalian

kargia, magram dRes aseTi mocemuloba gvaqvs

da amas unda gavyveT. dRes arCevani or

nomers - 5-sa da 41-s Soris keTdeba~

hyva. amasTan dakavSirebiT Cemi

argumenti maqvs, romelsac yuradRebas

ar aqceven. Cven SeTanxmebulebi

varT, rom meore

turSi Tu romelime opoziciuri

kandidati „ocnebis” warmomadgenels

daupirispirdeba,

mTeli opozcia imas vuWerT mxars.

oqriaSvilis SemTxvevaSi ki

cota sxvanairad aris saqme. sxvaTa

Soris, es kaci araa xelwamosakravi

piriovneba. masTan

erTad oTxi weli vijeqi parlamentSi

da vicnob. is rom ma-

Joritaruli sistemis momxrea,

es misi principuli arCevania. is

ase fiqrobs da me mis arCevans

pativs vcem.

_ pativs ratom scemT, Tqven

xom maJoritaruli sistemis

mowinaaRmdege xarT?

_ oqriaSvils pativs imitom

vcem, rom es am adamianis principuli

arCevania. Cven amaze

adrec gvisaubria da is yovel-

Tvis mxars uWerda maJoritarul

sistemas, raSic me kategoriulad

ar veTanxmebi. axla

rac Seexeba imas, Tu ratom vu-

WerT mxars am adamians: oqriaSvili

dmanisSi, walkaSi, bolnissa

da TeTri wyaroSi didi avtoritetiT

sargeblobs da Sei-

Zleba, pirvelive turSi moigos.

pirvel turSi Tu ver moigo,

garantias gaZlevT, rom is meore

turis kandidatia. misi

konkurenti, savaradudod, xelisuflebis

warmomadgeneli

iqneba. Cven, opozicia xom SeTanxmebuli

varT, rom meore turSi

opoziciur kandidats davu-

WerT mxars. ase rom, oqriaSvilisTvis

mxardaWera mainc mogviwevs.

da Tu meore turSi vuWerT

mas mxars, ratom ar unda

davudgeT gverdiT pirvelive

turSi? Tanac maSin, roca viciT,

rom mas Tavis regionSi seriozuli

eleqtoraluri mxardaWera

aqvs. es aris mTavari

argumenti, ratomac Rirda

gaerTianeba da „Zala erToba-

Sia”-Si misi mosvla.

Cven nebismieri adamiani unda

gamoviyenoT imisTvis, rom ivaniSvilis

xelisufleba SevcvaloT.

„qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi

darCena aRar SeiZleba.

misi wyalobiT saqarTvelo dRes

umZimes mdgomareobaSia, rogorc

ekonomikuri, aseve politikuri

TvalsazrisiT. Zalian

seriozuli Cavardna gvaqvs sagareo

mimarTulebiT. lamis

yoveldRe vkargavT dasavlel

partniorebs. amerikidan dastadasta

modis werilebi imis Sesaxeb,

rom saqarTveloSi demokratia

saTanado doneze ar aris.

amerikelebi ukve Riad mogviwodeben,

rom rusul orbitas

movSordeT. roca senati da kongresi

ivaniSvils ruseTis mokav-

Sires eZaxis, amiT Zalian bevria

naTqvami. vaSingtoni miiCnevs,

rom „ocnebis” lideri ruseTis

interesebs atarebs da amiT

saqarTvelos azianebs. es Zalian

SemaSfoTebeli gancxadebebia.

Cven aucileblad da rac SeiZleba

swrafad unda movwydeT rusul

orbitas. es ar moxdeba, Tu

ivaniSvils xelisuflebas ar CamovaSorebT.

darwmunebuli var,

rom 31 oqtombris 20 saaTsa da

05 wuTze ivaniSvili damarcxebas

aRiarebs. darwmunebuli ki

var, rom marcxs aRiarebs, magram

mainc mivmarTav mis Svil

beras, rom mamas daelaparakos

da daarwmunos, rom arCevnebis

gayalbeba arc ki gaifiqros.

_ beras ratom mimarTavT?

_ imitom, rom ivaniSvils Zalian

uyvars bera. yvela Svili

Zalian uyvars, magram beras mimarT

gansakuTrebuli damokidebuleba

aqvs. mas usmens da mis

rCevebs iTvaliswinebs. amitom

mivmarTav mas _ dajdes mamasTan,

daelaparakos da erTi kargi teqstic

dauweros, romelsac ivaniSvili

politikidan wasvlis

win warmoTqvams. rogorc 2012

wels saakaSvilma aRiara damarcxeba,

wels aseve unda aRiaros

marcxi ivaniSvilma.

_ ramdenjerme axseneT 2012

weli da im xalxze minda gkiTx-

oT, vinc es Sedegi moitana. ratom

aRar arian isini ivaniSvi-

lis gverdiT? saarCevno siaSic

ki aRar svams maT, ra xdeba?

_ ivaniSvilma TanamebrZolebis

Camocileba didi xnis win daiwyo.

faqtobrivad, mas Semdeg,

rac xelisuflebaSi movida. 2012

wlis 2 oqtombers is ukve fiqrobda,

rom is xalxi moeSorebina,

visTan erTadac „nacionalebi”

daamarcxa. am gundSi politikosebi

iyvnen. arCevnebamde

biZina maT rCevebs iTvaliswinebda

da amitomac moigo arCevnebi.

misma faqtorma didi roli

iTamaSa gamarjvebaSi, magram gundi

rom ar hyoloda, verafers

gaxdeboda. dRes es gundi mas-

Tan aRar aris, yvela moiSora.

mis gverdiT mxolod is xalxia,

vinc beladis nebas dauyovnebliv

aRasrulebs. ivaniSvils

politikosebi aRar hyavs gund-

Si. misi damarcxebis erT-erTi

mizezi esec iqneba.

11

giorgi sakaruli

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jer mxolod 26 wlisaa. rogorc

ityvian, win mTeli cxovreba aqvs da bevri gamowveva elo-

deba, _ sasiamovnoc da usiamovnoc. garTobas saqme amjobina

da did aurzaurSi Seyo fexi. ambobs, rom yvelaferi, rac Cven

garSemo xdeba, politikaa da swored amitom gadawyvita lei-

boristuli partiis lideris, Salva naTelaSvilis Svilma, beqa

naTelaSvilma, sakuTri bedi politikaSi ecada.

mamasaviT energiuli da mizan-

dasaxuli beqa mcxeTa-mTianeTSi

leiboristuli partiis maJori-

tari deputatobis kandidatia.

„es is adgilia, sadac erTi

wlis win xelisuflebis zonder-

brigadebi dagvipirispirdnen da

swored am adgilidan minda, mcxeTa-mTianeTSi

maJoritari dep-

utatobis kandidatad sakuTari

Tavi warvadgino da swored am

axalgazrdebTan erTad Semoviaro

TiToeuli sofeli, TiToeuli

qalaqi da aq mcxovreb adami-

anebs vuTxra, rom jer kidev

arsebobs imedi, qveynidan gaqceva

ar aris xsna, soflebis dac-

la, skolebis daxurva ar aris

gamosavali”, _ es sityvebi beqa

naTelaSvilma sakuTari kandidaturis

dayenebis Semdeg war-

moTqva da saarCevno kampania

aqtiurad daiwyo.

12


igi darwmunebulia, rom

xalxs axalgazrda Taoba da me-

same Zala sWirdeba. Tu ra

aZlevs amis Tqmis uflebas? vis

miiCnevs konkurentad? iTval-

iswinebs Tu ara mamis rCevebs? _

am da sxva saintereso detaleb-

is Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s beqa

naTelaSvili esaubreba:

_ beqa, ratom gadawyviteT

politikaSi mosvla?

_ ase xelaRebiT politikaSi

wasvla ar gadamiwyvetia. Ti-

Toeuli adamianis cxovreba aris

politika da Cven garSemo rac

xdeba, yvelaferi politikaa. is,

rom raRac gvawuxebs, gvixaria an

gvinda, rom gaumjobesdes, am yvelafers

politika awesrigebs.

mgonia, rom raRac doziT yvela

adamiani CarTulia politikaSi,

ubralod, Cem SemTxvevaSi ise

moxda, rom meti doziT momiwia

CarTuloba, vidre sxvas, radgan

aqamdec Cemi yoveldRiuri cxovreba

dakavSirebuli iyo politikasTan

da zogadad politikosis

ojaxSi gavizarde. vfiqrob,

adekvaturad aRviqvam qveyanaSi

Seqmnil mdgomareobas. Zalian

mniSvnelovania axalgazrdebis

wasvla da gaaqtiureba politika-

Si. sxvanairad qveyana ara mgonia,

ganviTardes.

_ Tqveni es gadawyvetileba

ojaxisTvis ramdenad moulod-

neli aRmoCnda?

_ 2011 wlidan politikaSi

viyavi, partiis saerTaSoriso

mdivani gaxldiT da var, ucxoeT-

Tan da dasavleTTan komunikacias,

Sexvedrebsa da vizitebs me

vakeTeb, am yvelaferSi var

CarTuli, Tumca satelevizio

sivrceSi didad aqamde ar vCandi.

ar vaqtiurobdi iqamde, sanam bi-

Zina ivaniSvili ar gadawyvetda

proporciuli sistemis Cagdebas

da Cvens motyuebas. Sesabamisad,

daviwye sajarod aqtiuri gamosvlebi

da gavediT quCaSi. gamosavali

dRevandel mdgomareoba-

Si aris xmis amaRleba da es Sesa-

Zlebelia gareT gasvliT, gaprotestebiT

da diskomfortis SeqmniT,

rasac Cven vakeTebdiT ukanaskneli

erTi wlis ganmavloba-

Si.

_ beqa, Tqven rom kandidatura

daasaxeleT,

paralelurad

amuSavda trolebis qarxana da

mavani cdilobda Savi piaris ago-

rebas. mokled, Tqveni misamarTiT

bevri uaryofiTi mesiji iwerebo-

da. ramdenad mZafrad aRiqviT da

aRiqvamT zogadad am yvelafers

da rogor reagirebT am dros?

_ simarTle giTxraT, am yvelafers

Cemze ar umoqmedia. iq

vinc werda uSver sityvebs, am

komentarebis avtorebi, Ziri-

Tadad, arian „qarTuli ocnebis”

aqtivistebi, aseve sajaro samsaxurebSi

dasaqmebuli pirebi, romlebic

Tavs valdebulad miiCneven,

rom „qarTuli ocnebis” nebismieri

binZuri saqme gaamarTlon.

meore jgufs ganekuTvnebian

feiqmomxmareblebi, romelic

sakmaod didi raodenobiT hyavs

„qarTul ocnebas” da mesame jgufia

„patriotTa aliansis” feiqebi

da aqtivistebi. es sami kategoria

iyo, ZiriTadad, romelic

gamoirCeoda didi agresiuobiT

da amaze namdvilad ar maqvs reaqcia,

piriqiT, msgavsi Sinaarsis

komentarebi ufro did motivacias

maZlevs. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

yvela Zalian kargad vxedavT,

rom „qarTul ocnebas” gadawyvetili

aqvs, sxvis diskreditaciaze

aagos Tavisi politika da

xalxi Zalian kargad xedavs am

yvelafers.

_ mcxeTa-mTianeTSi iyriT

kenWs. ratom maincdamainc es

regioni da ramdenad kargad

icnobT iqaur problemebs?

_ pirvel rigSi imitom, rom

warmoSobiT aqedan var, aq gavizarde

da cxovrebis udidesi periodi

aq maqvs gatarebuli. Sesabamisad,

vicnob aqaur xalxs, vici,

ra problemebis winaSe dganan isini

da CemTvis Zalian axlobelia

es regioni. aq axalgazrdebi yvelaze

naklebad arian da Ziri-

Tadad asakovani xalxi darCa, amitom

yvelas minda vuTxra, rom

gaqceva ar aris gamosavali da

aqac SeiZleba davrCeT, vibrZoloT

da Cven TviTon SevcvaloT

is realoba, rac ar mogvwons da

gamovasworoT. dRes rom quCaquCa

davdivar da adamianebs vxvdebi,

Zalian nihilisturad arian

ganwyobilebi zogadad politikosebis

mimarT da aRar aqvT

imedi arc erTi politikosisa da

partiis mimarT. axalgazrdebs

Sescqerian imedis TvaliT. swored

imiT ganvsxvavdebi sxva kandidatebisgan,

rom axalgazrda

var, warsulSi maTTvis araferi

momityuebia, araferi damiSavebia,

ar maqvs piradi interesebi, ar

vapireb parlamentarobas imitom,

rom Cemi biznesis xelSeuxebloba

uzrunvelvyo da mTavari is

aris, rom am adamianebs imedi

mieceT politikosebis mimarT.

_ ndobis faqtori ramdenad

eqnebaT? Tqven xom Zalian axal-

gazrda xarT da pirvel nabijebs

axla dgamT did politikaSi?

beqa naTelaSvili:

`Cemi konkurenti

am arCevnebze

finansuri

resursi iqneba~

_ Cem mimarT ufro meti

ndobis faqtori aqvT, vidre im

„gacveTili” politikosebis mimarT,

romlebic yovel wels dadian

wreze da axal-axal dapirebebs

iZlevian.

_ saidan gamomdinare ambobT

imas, rom xalxi gendobaT?

_ xalxis damokidebulebiT

vxvdebi. ar undaT gagoneba arc

Zveli xelisuflebis, arc amaTi

da mesame Zalas elis xalxi. es

Zala kidev unda iyos axali Taoba,

momavali Taoba da axalgazrdebi.

xundaZe aviRoT, qucnaSvili

_ 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi es adamianebi

regionSi ar gamoCenilan.

imedi unda mivceT xalxs, rom

raRaca Seicvleba.

_ Tqvensave regionSi uko-

nkurento kandidati xarT?

_ ara, ra Tqma unda. sxva opoziciuri

partiebidanac arian konkurentebi,

romlebsac did pativs

vcem, aseve aris saxelisuflebo

partiis warmomadgeneli

da konkurencia didia. vfiqrob,

Cemi konkurenti am arCevnebze

iqneba finansuri resursi, romelic

sakmaod mravlad aqvs saxelisuflebo

partias da maT Soris

cezar CoCels, romelic „Zala

erTobaSias” mxardaWerili

kandidatia am regionSi. cezar

CoCeli am regionis minioligarqia

da yovel arCevnebze gamoirCeva

xmebis yidviT. msgavsi tipis

oligarqebi sargebloben xa-

lxis siduxWiriT da maTi gaWirvebiT.

me amomrCevelTan sul sxva

dapirebebiT mivdivar da vinc

xmas momcems, is ar miscems xmas

arc saxelisuflebo partias da

arc minioligarq cezar CoCels.

_ Tqveni dapireba ra aris?

_ dawesdes minimaluri saxelfaso

zRvari, rom adamianebma 300

larze ar imuSaon srul ganakveTze

yoveldRe _ es aris

mTavari da evropuli praqtika,

rasac me Cems amomrCevels namdvilad

vpirdebi da batoni CoCeli,

romelic weRan vaxsene, ramdenime

kompaniis mflobelia, biznesmeni,

romelsac xalxi hyavs

dasaqmebuli da maTi xelfasebi

Seadgens 250 da 300 lars. vis

sjera, rom CoCeli isurvebs

dasaqmebuli adamianebis xelfasebis

gazrdas? samwuxarod, dRes

saqarTveloSi savalalo mdgomareoba

gvaqvs, rom 150 parlamentis

wevridan 41 aris milioneri

da dRevandel 2020 wlis saparlamento

siebsac Tu gadavxedavT,

ar wyveten milionerebi da oligarqebi

politikaSi mosvlas.

_ rogori molodini gaqvT?

_ pozitiuri, sxvnairad saarCevno

kampanias ar Cavatrebdi.

imedi maqvs, rom amomrCevlebi

mivlen arCevnebze. maRali aqtivobis

pirobebSi xelisuflebis

gamarjveba SeuZlebelia.

_ rogor fiqrobT, mamis

Crdilidan SeZlebT gamosvlas?

_ es damokidebulia cnobadobaze.

dRes Salva naTelaSvils yvela

icnobs. Tu SevZeli imdeni, rom

Cemi saxeli davtovo am qveyanaSi,

ra Tqma unda, individualurad

beqa naTelaSvili viqnebi.

_ Zalian bevri welia, rac

mamaTqveni, Salva naTelaSvili,

qarTul politikaSia. rogor

SeafasebdiT mis politikur

karieras?

_ sakmaod pozitiurad. Cven ar

vyofilvarT arasdros xelisuflebaSi,

arasdros gvqonia imis

berketi, rom raRac Zireuli

cvlilebebi mogvexdina, Tumca

Salvas aqcentebi yovelTvis iyo

swori da adekvaturi. vfiqrob,

rom istoria ufro kargad Seafasebs

Salvas politikur saqmianobas,

vidre _ me.

_ rCevebs Tu gaZlevT da ram-

denad iTvaliswinebT?

_ amayi var imiT, rom aqamde ra

gadawyvetilebac mimiRia, mxolod

damoukideblad da yovel-

Tvis ar viTvaliswineb mis rCevebs.

roca raRacas meubneba, sapirispiros

vakeTeb da kamaTi

mogvdis xolme.

_ ratom?

_ CemiT minda, rom gavakeTo da

Cems Secdomebze mirCevnia CemiTve

viswavlo da gamovasworo

yvelaferi. gaaCnia sakiTxebs,

Torem zogadad viTvaliswineb da

xSirad vusmen xolme, Semdeg CemiT

viReb gadawyvetilebas.

_ damarcxebis SemTxvevaSi

kvlav apirebT, rom gaagrZeloT

aqtiuri politikuri cxovreba?

_ ar maqvs iseTi ambicia, rom

arCevnebze pirvelive monawileobaze

cidan varskvlavebs movwyvet.

optimisturad var ganwyobili

da sxva danarCeni ra iqneba

da rogor, amas dro gvaCvenebs.

Cemi politikuri kariera didi

xnis win daiwyo da ase gagr-

Zeldeba yovelTvis.

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rezo SatakiSvili

597 94 42 50

vin warmoidgenda, rom ai, is kdema, emigrantebis Camomavali

salome zurabiSvili, salome qarTvelis niks amofarebuli rom

gulmxurvaled da aRtkinebiT, metic: axuntrucebiT rom miesalmeboda

kanonieri, xalxis mier erTsulovnad arCeuli xe-

lisuflebis iaraRis ZaliT da ruseTis SemweobiT damxobas, rom

axla, ager taStmomarjvebuli da am yurZniani taStis simZimiT

welSi mSvildiviT moxrili, aRaRanebul „iubkaSi” gamowyobili

Tu gvaxarebda aluCa-tyemlis ki ara, yurZnis Semosvlas.

vinme mamaZaRli paparaci ki

ar uRebs, ara, saqarTvelos mTavarsardali

Tavad avrcelebs

rTvelis fotos, uyureb da er-

TaderTi, rac pirze gadgeba,

SeZaxilia: „taSti, babo!!!”

am qals auxsnas vinmem, rom

vazisa da Rvinis qveyanaSi, am

vazis nayofs _ yurZens, Tavisi

WurWeli aqvs, Tqven warmoidgineT,

dawurvamde, vidre jer

maWrad, Semdeg Rvinod iqceva.

maRlari yurZnisa da saerTod

xilis sakrefad saqarTveloSi

iyenebdnen da dResac iyeneben

gidels _ wnelisa da tkeCisgan

mownul uyuro, mogrZo,

pirganier da Zirwawvetebul

WurWels.

yurZnis sakrefad iyenebdnen

da dResac iyeneben _ mownul kalaTs,

romliTac krefen da Semdeg

yrian godorSi _ wneliT an

tkeCiT mownul maRal, mrgval

an oTxkuTxed WurWelSi. axla

mas ukve „iaSiki” _ xis ficrebisgan

Sekruli yuTebi enacvleba,

xanac _ plastmasis yuTebi.

gideli, kalaTi, godori

dRes ukve iSviaTad gvxvdeba da,

rogorc wesi, yvelaze xSirad

yurZnis sakrefad iyeneben

Tunuqis an plastmasis saTlebs

(„vedro”), magram yurZens aravin

krefs taStiT! yvela sagans

Tavisi daniSnuleba aqvs, maT

Soris, taSts! taStSi ibanen fexebs,

taStSi recxaven nifxvebs,

sacvlebs, tanisamoss. Tu Ramis

qoTani ar aqvT, taSts iyeneben

Ramis qoTnad... magram taStiT

yurZens aravin krefs! axla, Sen

Tu gaJrJolebs da tanSi gzaravs,

SegiZlia Toxi gaido da

rusTavelze isveckao, magram es

imas ar niSnavs, rom rusTavelze

ToxiT tlakuni normaa an Toxi

imisTvisaa, rom golovinis prospeqtze

ataro. amis garda, yoveldRiurobaSi,

cxadia, mosula,

rac xelT mogxvdeba, is gamoiyeno,

magaliTad, Caidani qvabad

ixmaro da makaroni moxarSo,

magram es imas ar niSnavs, rom

saamayod fotoebi gadauRo da

gamodo, miT ufro, Tu qveynis

prezidenti xar.

viRac gamova da ityvis, rom

qali safrangeTSi nacxovreba da

SeeSala. raRac ara mgonia, rom

an safrangeTSi vinme krefdes

yurZens fexsabanad, nifxavsarecxad

an Casafsmelad

gankuTvnil plastmasis taStSi.

midi da axla gamoide Tavi,

rom vazisa da Rvinis samSoblo

xar, amtkice es mdidari arqeologiuri

masaliT da wyaroebiT,

Sexedavs ucxoeli da mourideblad

getyvis, rom arc kulturis

natamali gaqvs da arc

tvinis natamali.

am yvelafris garda, es foto

axdens mis lustrirebas. lustrirebas

vambob gemovneba-ugemovnobis

konteqstSi, Torem

politikurad eg kneina didi

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xnis lustrirebulia, ai, im

droidan, dasavleTSi lajaSvebul,

cilismwameblur kampanias

rom axorcielebda zviad gamsaxurdiasa

da qarTuli saxelwmifos

winaaRmdeg. es qali elementarulad

ugemovnoa. ufro sworad,

gemovnebiania, oRond misi

gemovneba mZaRe da mdarea. odnav

ufro gemovnebiani da odnav

ufro niWieri adamiani moiTxovda

da miataninebda gidels an

godors, Cayrida yurZens da mas-

Tan gadaiRebda fotos, aRarc

simZimisgan moikunteboda da

qarTul koloritsac SesZenda

fotos da qarTul eTnokulturas

gauwevda reklamas.

am fotodan ra unda daaskvna,

ra interesi amoZravebs mas?

ram miiyvana am konceptualur

gadawyvetamde? Tu ise, hariharaleze,

ezoSi romel taStsac

waavlo xeli, iq Cayara yurZeni

da pozireba daiwyo kameris win?

ikiTxa mainc, vinmem xom ar moisaqma

mag taStSi, xeli rom waavlo?

an Tu garecxa mainc?

am fotodan ra unda daaskvna,

ra interesi amoZravebs? ras

uwevs reklamas _ yurZens Tu

plastmasis iaffasian WurWels?

taStebis biznesi aqvs salome

babos?

Tu mTavari gamogvrCa? taStis

feri? taSti lurjia, viTarca

„qarTuli ocnebis” droSa.

arada, ra saWiro iyo es qaragmebi

da narTauli miniSnebani,

rodesac isedac gadasarevad viciT,

vinaa am qveyanaSi misi damsmel-amyvavebeli.

axla damsmeli,

Torem mis pariJebidan CamoyvanaSi

namdvilad ver davadana-

SaulebT biZina ivaniSvils. salome

zurabiSvili qarTvel xalxsa

da qarTul saxelmwifos piradad

mixeil saakaSvilma ufeSqaSa.

marTalia, wlebis Semdeg,

rodesac salome ipodromze gai-

Wra da mis Camomyvan saakaSvils

daupirispirda, awi, imas, axla

rom aRarc axsovs vinaa, saakaSvilis

bevrma „gampravebelma”

scada, salome zurabiSvilis

Camoyvana zurab JvaniasTvis

gadaebralebinaT. TiTqosda

misi Camoyvana zurab Jvanias iniciativa

iyo da misive daJinebiT

moxda. rogorc mixeili ityoda,

saakaSvili, nuras ukacravad. aq

arc lurji taStia vinme, arc

salomes nakrefi Savi yurZeni,

yvelas yvelaferi kargad gvaxsovs.

iniciativa da idea, romc

zurab Jvaniasi yofiliyo, Camomyvani

saakaSvilia. swored saakaSvili

gamovida maSin da gvi-

Txra, rom ideac misi iyo da SirakTan

molaparakebebic, metic:

gvayvedra da gvayvedra swored

es salome zurabiSvili, qebiT Z-

iri gaagdebina da gviTxra, rom

Siraks daaTmobina, rom salome

misi monapovari iyo da a. S.

faqtia, man pirad warmatebad

miiTvala maSin salome zurabiSvilis

Camoyvana da, Sesabamisad,

maSinve moawera xeli pasuxismgeblobis

paqtze _ aiRo pasuxismgebloba.

sxvaTa Soris, piradad

saakaSvili arc gahqcevia am

pasuxismgeblobas da araerTxel

pravebeli” dRemde katasaviT

zurgze mainc ar ecema da axla

ukve imas amtkicebs, rom miSa

vanga ar iyo, rom winaswar

ganeWvrita, vin ra gamodgeboda

da vin uRalatebda. amgvar „gampravebelTan”

far-xmals dayrida

TviT ciceroni!

daviwyoT iqidan, rom am Sem-

TxvevaSic da sazogadodac Ralats

politikaSi imave arSiniT

zomaven, ra arSiniTac Ralati

izomeba pirad urTierTobebSi _

col-qmars Soris, sayvarlebs

Soris, ubralod seqspartniorebs

Soris, aseve megobrebs

Soris da a. S.

xan iseT adamianze ityvian,

saakaSvils uRalatao, rom is

misdRemSi saakaSvilis araTu

erTguli ar yofila, konstruqciuladac

ar iyo ganwyobili

misdami. ase, magaliTad, elene

xoStaria rom xats gadasces,

miSas uRalatao, rodis iyo elene

xoStaria miSas erTguli? rodesac

ubodiSod TaTxavda, kbenda

Tu akritikebda? sadaa xoStarias

Ralatis fesvi, siaSi Caweraze

rom dasTanxmda giga bokerias?

ras uRalata, rame fics

Tu im velo-garbens, saarCevno

kampaniis konteqstSi rom gaake-

taSti, babo!

aRiara, rom salome zurabiSvilis

saqarTveloSi Camoyvana da

gaministreba misi Secdoma iyo.

magram, miuxedavad imisa, rom

misma zogma „gampravebelma”

zurabiSvilis gaministreba Jvanias

ver gadaabrala da miuxedavad

imisa, rom Tavad saakaSvilma

aRiara Secdoma, zogi „gam-

`zurabiSvili eweoda qarTuli saxelmwifos

ZirgamomTxrel saqmianobas. egzaltirebuli

miesalma damxobas da madlobebi uxada jabas,

kitovans, siguasa da mTel maSindel

opozicias, romelsac xelebi ZmaTa sisxlSi

hqondaT gasvrili~

Ta mixeil saakaSvilis meuRles-

Tan erTad? romelic sxva araferi

iyo, garda imisa, rom mixeil

saakaSvilma mesiji styorcna

Tavis eleqtorats, _ xma mieciT!..

es kidevc sxva Temaa. davubrundeT

kneina zurabiSvils.

zurabiSvili eweoda qarTuli

saxelmwifos ZirgamomTxrel

saqmianobas. egzaltirebuli

miesalma damxobas da madlobebi

uxada jabas, kitovans, siguasa

da mTel maSindel opozicias,

romelsac xelebi ZmaTa sisxlSi

hqondaT gasvrili. daviwyoT

imiT, rom ai, amgvarma qalma

romc gierTgulos, ra TavSi

saxlelad ginda aseTis erTguleba?

da gavagrZeloT imiT,

rom Sen ranairad gierTgulebs

da ar giRalatebs is, vinc wlebis

winaT kritikul momentSi

moqmedebda kremlis instruqciebiT?

„gampraveblebi” amboben, rom

ar icoda. arcodna codva araa,

codva _ arswavla, argarkvevaa

an es alag vici, alag _ arvici,

ra taStiT nakrefi xurmaa? is

kargad icodnen mag salomes

winaprebma, rom nadeJda krupskaias

xanaSi saqarTvelo datoves

da emigraciaSi wavidnen

da is ar icoda, ras akeTebda

ager oriode aTeuli wlis winaT

imaTi STamomavali, romelic aq

mohyavda taxtrevaniT?

kargi, warsulsac Tavi davaneboT,

mas rom Sexvda, verafers

mixvda? yvelasgan, miT ufro,

emigraciaSi gazrdilisgan

mzeqala SaniZeobas aravin iTxovs,

magram magis narTaulidan

verafers mixvda? Tu, modi, vTqvaT,

rom gasapiareblad kargi

qeisi iyo _ emigraciaSi gazrdili

diplomati istoriul sam-

SobloSi brundeba da sagareo

saqmeTa ministris portfels

ibarebs... swored qeisisa da piaris

xibli da dauokebeli wyurvili

iyo, ramac Caadenina es

Secdoma da Cven gveboZa salome

zurabiSvili, romelic omis

dawyebaSi sakuTar qveyanas adanaSaulebs,

romelic Tavisi eniT

safrTxes uqmnis qveynis usafr-

Txoebas da suverenitets, aqeT

azerbaijanTan CaZaba situacia,

iqiT _ TurqebTan _ stamboli

konstantinopolad moixsenia.

gegoneba, konstantinopolis

aRebisas osmalebis mier moklul

bizantiis bolo imperatoris,

konstantinos dagas XI

paleologosis pirdapiri Camomavali

myavda...

da Cven gveboZa salome, romelic

sasaxleSi ZviradRirebul

antikvarul xaraxuras ezideba,

romelic saqveyno mRelvarebisas,

SuaRamisas salobieebSi daiareba

da qoTniT lobios ipirqvavebs,

xan daxrukul paskebs

acxobs saaRdgomod, romelic

SobaSi ereva, xan atmis sakrefad

dadis, xanac cvrian balaxze fex-

SiSvela siaruls amjobinebs

auzis piras, metlaxze fexSiSvela

tantals, xan Ceqmebiani katasaviT

botebiT daabotebs da xanac

SilifadCacmuli gvevlineba

_ „poluerotikul” konteqstSi

da rac mTavaria, arasodes, arasodes

akeTebs imas, rac unda

akeTos qveynis prezidentma...

13

ratom miiRo es gadawyvetile-

ba da ratom SeaCera arCevani

maincdamainc daviT WiWinaZis gun-

dze? _ „qronika+” lia muxaSavrias

esaubra:

_ qalbatono lia, Tavidanve

gavarkvioT, vis vesaubrebi _

uflebadamcvels, fermersa Tu aw

ukve politikoss?

_ samive statusi misaRebia, radgan

samive simarTles Seefereba _

dRes sami statusis qveS aqtiurad

vmoqmedeb.

_ ise, adamianis uflebebis

dacva Tu fermerobac iribad

politikaa da bolo TviTm-

marTvelobis arCevnebSi, rogorc

maJoritari, guriaSi kenWsac iyridiT,

magram politikuri parti-

is wevri aqamde ar yofilxarT.

ratom gadawyviteT, rom partia-

Si gawevrianebuliyaviT?

_ 30 welia, uflebadamcveli

var da iseTi miRwevebiT datrabaxeba,

romelic am kuTxiT maqvs da,

albaT, momavalSic meqneba, bevrs

ar SeuZlia. saerTod, Cemi saqmianobiT

mudmivad vcdilob, rom am

qveyanaSi samarTlianoba damkvidrdes

da adamianis uflebebi daculi

iyos, magram Cemi Sedegebis miuxedavad,

romelTac saqarTvelo-

Si arsebul viTarebaze gavlena

moaxdines, mivxvdi, rom es sakmarisi

araa, anu tramalis mgeliviT

marto brZolam Sedegi, maincdamainc,

ver momitana. Suaxans rom

gadascdebi da sakuTar cxovrebas

aanalizeb, imaze iwyeb fiqrs, ra

SeiZleba, iseTi gaakeTo, rom

ufro Rirseulad icxovro da adamianebisTvisac

meti gaakeTo. mokled,

vifiqre, rom parlamentSi

mosvliTa da sakanonmdeblo saqmianobaSi

CarTulobiT ufro metis

gakeTeba SemiZlia. sxvaTa Soris,

jer kidev 80-ian wlebSi, roca

erovnuli moZraoba daiwyo, studentebma

muSaoba sakonstitucio

cvlilebebze daviwyeT da es, ase

vTqvaT, procesi mTeli Cemi profesiuli

saqmianobis ganmavlobaSi

ar Semiwyvetia, Tumca yvelaferi

iseTi Sedegiani ar aRmoCnda,

rogoric mindoda, rom yofiliyo.

_ gasagebia, rom parlamentidan

adamianis uflebaTa kuTxiT Sesa-

Zloa, ufro bevri ram gaakeToT,

magram am qveyanaSi uamravi partiaa,

Tqven ki arCevani axalSeqmnil

„tribunaze” SeaCereT. ra-

tom?

_ kargi kiTxvaa da aucileblad

gipasuxebT. imaSic geTanxmebiT,

rom Zalian bevri partiaa da gansakuTrebiT

mravalferovani opoziciuri

speqtria, magram yvela SemoTavazebas

yuradRebiT gavecani.

_ anu „tribunas” garda Tavis

rigebSi gawevrianebas sxva parti-

ac gTavazobdaT?

_ diax, ramdenime seriozuli

SemoTavazeba mqonda.

_ konkretulad, romeli par-

tiebisgan?

_ amas ar davasaxeleb, radgan ar

minda, vinmes vawyenino, anu arae-

Tikurad gamomivides.

14


`vici, brZola vis da ris

am adamians mTeli saqarTvelo

giorgi abaSiZe

jer ise icnobda, rogorc ufle-

badamcvelsa da warmatebul

iurists; mere profesia nawilobriv Seicvala da fermerobas

mihyo xeli; axla ki lia muxaSavria politikaSi wavida, anu

wlevandel arCevnebSi maJoritarobisTvis ar ibrZolebs, ma-

gram „tribunas” partiul siaSi iqneba.

_ ukacravad, araeTikuroba ra

SuaSia?

_ maT uari vuTxari, „tribunas”

ki davTanxmdi. daviT WiWinaZes

didi xania, vicnob, misi mxolod

politikuri ki ara, sxva saqmianobis

Sesaxebac vici da mjera, rom

am adamians Zalian keTilsindisieri

ganzraxva aqvs, raTa qveyana-

Si arsebuli mZime mdgomareoba marTlac

Secvalos. Cemi azriT, „tribunas”

yvelaze swori xedva aqvs,

Tu rogor SeiZleba qveynisa da adamianebis

usasoo ekonomikuri krizisidan

gamoyvana. daviT WiWinaZe

ufro ekonomikur sakiTxebzea

fokusirebuli, me ki _ samarTlebrivze.

amitom mgonia, karg tandems

SevqmniT, raTa parlamentSi Cveni

saqmianoba ufro qmediTi iyos.

_ WiWinaZem „tribunaSi” gawevrianeba

rom SemogTavazaT, maSinve

dasTanxmdiT Tu mosafiqre-

blad dro iTxoveT?

_ ver getyviT, ramdeni saaTi da

dRe vfiqrobdi, magram viTareba

da isic gavaanalize, Tu rogori

saarCevno kampania aqvT garkveul

subieqtebs da gadawyvetilebac

amis mere miviRe. saerTod, siZulvilis

ena da agresia CemTvis miuRebelia.

me konstruqciuli, optimisturi

da pozitiuri kampania

momwons. am TvalsazrisiT „tribunas”

kampania CemSi simpaTias iwvevs.

_ optimizmi da konstruqcia

gasagebia, magram, qalbatono lia,

Tqven liberali xarT, daviT Wi-

WinaZe ki, minimum, liberaluri

ekonomikis winaaRmdeg ilaSqrebs

da mTavar aqcents tradiciul

Rirebulebebze akeTebs. hoda,

amis gamo Tqven Soris azrTa sx-

vadasxvaoba ar aris?

_ esec, weRandelis msgavsad,

Zalian kargi kiTxvaa da madlobas

geubnebiT, rom meZleva saSualeba,

ganvmarto, Tu ratom daemTxva Cveni

mosazrebebi da poziciebi. dRes

Cven mxolod finansur da ekonomikur

ki ara, Zalian Rrma moralur

krizisSic varT. amitom radikaluri

RonisZiebebis gatareba da

iseTi politikuri nebis Seqmna

gvWirdeba, romelic am mdgomareobas

odnav mainc gamoasworebs da

adamianebs amosunTqvis saSualebas

miscems. am viTarebaSi liberalizmisa

da maqsimaluri Tavisuflebis

gamoyeneba ki SesaZloa, upriani

da Sedegis momtani ar iyos.

_ anu Tqvens principebsa da

Sexedulebebze uars ambobT?

_ ara, ubralod, Seqmnili vi-

Tarebidan gamosvla da misi Secvla

mxolod radikaluri nabijebiT

SeiZleba. liberaluri da demokratiuli

mimarTulebebis dro maSin

dgeba, roca qveyanaSi simdidre da

naklebi gaWirvebaa. momavali oTxi

wlis ganmavlobaSi saqarTvelos

parlamentma, aRmasrulebel xelisuflebasTan

erTad, yvelaferi

unda gaakeTos, rom es umZimesi ekonomikuri

da usaSvelo finansuri

gaWirveba Secvalos. amis Semdeg ki

sxvagvari politikis dro dadgeba.

ase rom, am kuTxiT Cemi da daviT

lia muxaSavria:

`siZulvilis ena

da agresia

CemTvis

miuRebelia. me

konstruqciuli,

optimisturi da

pozitiuri

kampania momwons~

WiWinaZis Sexedulebebi erTmane-

Tis absoluturad Tanxvedria.

_ qalbatono lia, mainc, ra

mkveTri nabijebi unda gadaidgas,

romelic am umZimesi politikuri

Tu ekonomikuri krizisidan ga-

mogviyvans?

_ pirvel rigSi, iseTi samTavrobo

gundis Seqmnaa aucilebeli,

romelic krizisuli mdgomareobis

daZlevaze iqneba orientirebuli.

amasTan, aucileblad unda gan-

Tavisufldes qveyana da mosaxleoba

bankebis monopoliebisgan.

_ qveynis bankebis monopoliis-

gan ganTavisuflebaze TiTqmis

yvela politikosi laparakobs,

magram saamisod konkretuli geg-

ma jer aravis warmoudgenia...

_ erovnuli bankis Sesaxeb kanonis

Tanaxmad, erovnuli bankis xelmZRvanelobas

Zalian mniSvnelovani

sakanonmdebo berketi aqvs,

romliTac bankebis monopoliis

dasruleba SesaZlebelia, magram

dRes politikuri neba ar arsebobs

da, Sesabamisad, erovnuli banki im

mTavar funqcias ar asrulebs,

romelic konstituciiT evaleba.

amitomac bankebs sruli Tavisufleba

aqvT, warmoudgenel da

ararealistur saprocento ganakveTebs

aweseben da am gziT fizikuri

Tu iuridiuli pirebis

qonebas xelSi igdeben.

mokled, dRes saqarTvelos ori

okupanti hyavs: erTia ruseTi, romelmac

Cveni teritoriebi daipyro

da meorea sabanko seqtori, romelsac

mosaxleobis qoneba, praqtikulad,

okupirebuli aqvs. Sesabamisad,

aTasobiT ojaxi sakuTari

sacxovreblidan gamosaxlebas

elis da sazogadoebaSi pesimizmis

gancdas swored es aCens, anu adamianebi

am qveyanaSi sakuTar momavals

ver xedaven. yvelafer amas

wertili unda daesvas!

bankirebs seriozuli finansuri

berketebi aqvT, rom politikaSi,

sakanonmdeblo Tu aRmasrulebel

doneze, sakuTari miznebisa da amocanebis

lobireba SeZlon, Tumca

axla miaCniaT, rom es lobireba

sakmarisi aRaraa da amitom cdiloben,

politikaSi movidnen da im

gadawyvetilebebis uSualo mim-

Rebni gaxdnen, romelic maT finansur

Zalauflebasa da monopolias

kidev ufro gaaZlierebs.

dRes swored am viTarebis Secvlaa

mniSvnelovani, radgan amis Semdeg

`daviT WiWinaZes didi xania, vicnob, misi

mxolod politikuri ki ara, sxva saqmianobis

Sesaxebac vici da mjera, rom am adamians Zalian

keTilsindisieri ganzraxva aqvs, raTa qveyanaSi

arsebuli mZime mdgomareoba marTlac Secvalos.

Cemi azriT, `tribunas

tribunas~ yvelaze swori xedva aqvs,

Tu rogor SeiZleba qveynisa da adamianebis

usasoo ekonomikuri krizisidan gamoyvana. daviT

WiWinaZe ufro ekonomikur sakiTxebzea

fokusirebuli, me ki - samarTlebrivze~

aTi aTasobiT adamianis qonebrivi

ufleba aRdgeba.

erTi sityviT, pirvel rigSi

rac unda gavakeToT, isaa, rom

erovnuli bankis sabWo da prezidenti

Seicvalos. meore mniSvnelovani

sakiTxi ki adamianebisTvis

TaRliTurad da ukanonod

waglejili qonebis dabrunebaa,

Tumca am ukanonobaze sagamoZiebo

organoebi ar reagireben. sagamo-

Ziebo meqanizmebis amoqmedebac

aucilebelia, Tumca amisTvisac

politikuri nebaa saWiro.

_ qalbatono lia, rogor unda

dadgindes, rom bankebi xalxs

qonebas TaRliTuri sqemiT arT-

mevdnen da arTmeven?

_ roca kreditis daufaraobis

gamo moqalaqis ipoTekaSi Cadebuli

qoneba aRsrulebaze gaaqvT da

am qonebas, TiTqos, auqcionis Sedegad,

bankebi, maTi TanamSromlebi

an mevaxSeebi iformeben, saxelmwifos

saSemosavlo gadasaxadi unda

gadauxadon, magram saSemosavlo

gadasaxadi aravis gadauxdia. yvelasTvis

gasagebi rom gaxdes, Tu

raze vsaubrob, nino burjanaZis-

Tvis, parlamentis dadgenilebiT,

erT larad wyneTis rezidenciis

gadacemas gavixseneb: qalbatonma

ninom am qonebaze saSemosavlo gadasaxadi

ar gadaixada da amitom

es saxli CamoarTves. marTalia,

nino burjanaZe am Temas asaCivrebda,

magram sasamarTloSi ver moigo,

radgan saSemosavlo gadaxdili

ar hqonda da, Sesabamisad, qonebac

sruliad kanonierad CamoerTva.

mokled, imis Tqma minda, rom Tu

politikuri neba iqneba, es meqanizmi

amuSavdeba da Cven mxolod

obieqturi da politikuri gavlenebisgan

Tavisufal marTlmsajulebis

sistemas ki ara, damoukidebel

da miukerZoebel sagamoZiebo

organosac SevqmniT. amasTan, samarTaldamcveli

uwyebis tal-

Risebur ki ara, Zirfesvian reformas

gavatarebT da yvelaferi es

SesaZlebels gaxdis, rom xalxi kabaluri

mdgomareobidan gan-

Tavisufldes da misi darRveuli

qonebrivi uflebebic aRdges. yvelafer

amas ki qveyanaSi ekonomikuri

mdgomareobis aSkara gajansaReba

mohyveba.

_ imisTvis, rom es gaakeToT,

„tribuna” xelisuflebaSi umravlesobiT

unda movides, rac war-

moudgenelia. Tqveni politikuri

lideri ki koaliciis Seqmnas arc

14 N20 (322) 15.09-21.09.2020 w.


winaaRmdegac momiwevs!~

„ocnebasTan” apirebs da arc _

„nacionalur moZraobasTan”. Sesa-

bamisad, ratom gaqvT imedi, rom

31 oqtombris Semdeg qveyanaSi

politikur procesebze gavlenas

moaxdenT?

_ 31 oqtombris Semdeg parlamentSi

„tribunas” ricxovnoba minimalurad

warmoadgineT.

_ qalbatono lia, me ki ar war-

movadgine, aramed im realobidan

gamomdinare vmsjelob, romelic

dRes qveyanaSia. gana, Tqven uary-

ofT, rom gamarjvebis yvelaze

didi Sansi mxolod „ocnebasa” da

„nacmoZraobas” aqvs?

_ Cveni programis sazogadoebisTvis

gacnobis Semdeg Zalian

bevr politikur Zalasa da subieqts

survili gauCndeba, rom am

ideas SemouerTdes.

_ SemoerTebaSi ras gulisx-

mobT?

_ marTalia, saarCevno proces-

Si yvela subieqti cal-calke varT

CarTulebi, magram vcdilobT, rom

nabijebi sazogadoebisTvis yvelaze

mtkivneul TemebTan dakav-

SirebiT gadavdgaT da darwmunebuli

var, Cveni es saprogramo mimarTuleba

Zalian popularuli

gaxdeba da sxva politikuri subieqtebic

Seecdebian, met-naklebad

dagviWiron mxari. ai, magaliTad,

bankebis monopolizaciis winaaRmdeg

giorgi vaSaZe gancxadebebs

ukve akeTebs.

_ diax, magram vaSaZisa da „tri-

bunas” kolaboracia Tundac am

konkretul sakiTxSi warmoudgenelia,

radgan isnis maJori-

tarul olqSi vaSaZe da WiWinaZe

erTmaneTis konkurentebi arian.

_ me kolaboraciaze ar

vsaubrob.

_ aba, raze saubrobT?

_ opoziciuri Zalebis konkretuli

programis garSemo gaer-

Tianebaze. saerTod, ar mgonia, rom

winasaarCevno kampaniis dros an

parlamentSi Sesvlis Semdeg romelime

opoziciurma Zalam sazogadoebis

winaSe Tavi Seircxvinos da

is ar gaakeTos, rac xalxisTvis

yvelaze metad mtkivneulia. sxva-

Ta Soris, media Zalian detalurad

aSuqebs, vis ra programa aqvs da

amisTvis Jurnalistebs madlobas

geubnebiT. erTi sityviT, Zalian

optimisturad var ganwyobili,

rom adamianebi Cven garSemo ideur

erTobas Seqmnian. swored es mogvcems

saSualebas, rom qveyanaSi

dRes arsebuli viTareba SevcvaloT.

_ e. i., darwmunebuli xarT, rom

31 oqtombers „ocneba” xelisu-

flebidan aucileblad wava?

_ diax, darwmunebuli var, anu

parlamentSi iseTi umciresobiT

iqneba warmodgenili, rom procesebze

gavlenas, praqtikulad, ver

iqoniebs!

_ momiteveT, magram mgonia,

rom Zalian ararealisturad

msjelobT, anu vin-vin da Tqven

yvelaze kargad iciT, rom

arCevnebs is igebs, vinc iTvlis.

gayalbebaze uars, bunebrivia, arc

„ocneba” ityvis...

_ diax, vici, rom gayalbebisgan

daculebi ar varT, magram is nabijebi,

romelsac am kuTxiT saer-

TaSoriso sazogadoeba dgams,

Zalian meimedeba.

_ es imedic, vfiqrob, fuWia,

èrovnuli bankis Sesaxeb kanonis Tanaxmad, erovnuli bankis

xelmZRvanelobas Zalian mniSvnelovani sakanonmdebo berketi aqvs, romliTac

bankebis monopoliis dasruleba SesaZlebelia, magram dRes politikuri neba

ar arsebobs da, Sesabamisad, erovnuli banki im mTavar funqcias ar

asrulebs, romelic konstituciiT evaleba~

radgan arsebuli pirveladi in-

formaciiT, 31 oqtombris arCevnebze

saerTaSoriso damkvirve-

blebi SesaZloa, ar Camovidnen da

amis sababad korona saxeldeba.

_ mesmis, magram opoziciuri

Zalebic sakmarisad varT, rom xelisuflebas

arCevnebis gayalbebis

saSualeba ar mivceT da gaer-

Tanebas am mimarTulebiTac SevecadoT!

amasTan, Zalian didi raodenobiT

amomrCevelia mobilizebuli,

rom arCevnebi ar gayalbdes! am

kuTxiT mediis rolic umniSvnelovanesia.

_ cxadia, medias didi mniSvneloba

aqvs, magram aqve nu da-

gaviwydebaT, rom ukve amoqmedda

e. w. bavSvTa dacvis kanoni, rom-

lis Tanaxmadac nebismieri saxis

informacia SesaZloa, Zaladobis

waxalisebad CaiTvalos. qalba-

tono lia, pirdapir gkiTxavT da

pirdapirve mipasuxeT: bavSvTa

uflebebze zrunvis sababiT „oc-

neba” mediadiqtaturis damyarebas

cdilobs?

_ diax, xelisufleba cdilobs,

rom politikuri saarCevno subieqtebis

mediaSesaZleblobebi

rogorme gafiltros, magram, jer

erTi, es kanoni, saeTaSoriso monitoringis

wyalobiT, SesaZloa,

srulad ver amoqmeddes da meorec,

amomrCeveli mxolod televiziaze

araa mibmuli.

_ aRniSnuli kanoni internet-

mediazec vrceldeba.

_ diax, mesmis, magram igive sicialuri

qseli da beWduri media

did rols asrulebs. mokled, teqnikuri

TvalsazrisiT Zalian bevri

SesaZleblobaa da komunikaciis

kuTxiTac meti Tavisufleba

gvaqvs. Sesabamisad, saxelisuflebo

kontroli da cenzura daiZleva!

_ ise, am kanonidan gamomdinare,

„tribunas” lozungic _ tri-

bunidan tribunalamde, SesaZloa,

Zaladobis waxalisebad CiTvalos.

sityvam moitana da, uflebam-

dacveli lia muxaSavria ras

fiqrobs, tribunals vin unda

gadaeces?

_ daviwyoT imiT, rom is ziani,

romelic wlebis ganmavlobaSi am

qveyanas miadga, im adamianebma unda

gadaixadon, romelTac es ziani

miayenes. dRes cixeSi iseTi urigo

pirobebi aRaraa, rogorc adre iyo

da adamiani, romelsac ramdenime

milioni aqvs gadanaxuli da icis,

rom patimrobis Semdeg cxovrebas

`pirvel rigSi, iseTi samTavrobo gundis

Seqmnaa aucilebeli, romelic krizisuli

mdgomareobis daZlevaze iqneba

orientirebuli. amasTan, aucileblad unda

ganTavisufldes qveyana da mosaxleoba

bankebis monopoliebisgan~

mSvenivrad gaagrZelebs, cixeSi

siamovnebiT jdeba.

_ ukacravad, saiTken migyavT

saubari?

_ sisxlis samarTlis kodeqss,

sadac, ase vTqvaT, qonebriv dana-

Saulzea saubari, patimrobasTan

erTad, ramdenime aTasiani jarimac

unda davamatoT, anu, vTqvaT, patimroba

5-dan 7 wlamde da jarima

50 aTasi lari da meti. es saxelmwifos

saSualebas miscems, rom

damnaSaveebi realurad dasajos

da maTgan is qoneba amoiRos,

romelic sxvas ukanonod waglijes!

„ocneba” „nacionalur

moZraobas” amunaTebs xolme evrosasamarTloSi

wagebuli im saqmeebis

gamo, romlebic wina xelisuflebis

dros moxda da mmarTvel

gunds 6 milionis gadaxda mouwia.

hoda, am 6 milionis gadaxda Sesa-

Zloa, sruliad kanonierad im

konkretul pirebs daekisroT,

romelTa gamoc saqarTvelos

mTavrobam es saqmeebi strasburg-

Si waago. sxvaTa Soris, es meqanizmi

kanonSi arsebobs, magram mis amoqmedebas

politikuri neba sWirdeba

da meti araferi!

_ qalbatono lia, am meqaniz-

mis amuSavebiT, vfiqrob, samar-

Tlianoba mainc ar aRdgeba, radgan

yvelam viciT, rom am qveyana-

Si sasamarTlo politizebulia

da bevrjer „viris abanoSi” sruliad

udanaSaulo adamians uSveben.

amitom, mgoni, axalma xelisu-

flebam rac unda gaakeTos, es sa-

samarTlos politikuri gavlenis-

gan ganTavisuflebaa. vcdebi?

_ diax, geTanxmebiT, marTlmsajulebis

radikaluri da Zireuli

reformaa gasatarebeli. amis gareSe

samarTliani sasamarTlo warmoudgenelia.

sxvaTa Soris, Cven

evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebebi

gvaqvs, sadac konkretuli pirebis

danaSauli Zalian kargadaa

dasabuTebuli da damtkicebuli.

amasTan, im mosamarTleebis CamonaTvalic

cnobilia, romelTa gadawyvetilebaSic

gadacdomebi iyo.

Sesabamisad, aseT saqmeebze xelaxali

gamoZieba ar gvWirdeba, radgan

yvelaferi garkveviT weria.

ise, rom icodeT, evrosasamarTlos

gadawyvetilebebis aRsrulebaze

saqarTvelos valdebuleba

evrosabWoSi gawevrianebiTa da

evrokonvenciaze xelmoweriT aqvs

nakisri. erTi sityviT, moqmedeba

Tundac am kuTxiT rom daiwyos,

Zalian bevri adamianis darRveuli

ufleba aRdgeba!

_ qalbatono lia, ukve xelisuflebac

aRiarebs, rom koronapan-

demiis gamo mZime zamTari gvelis.

Tqven, rogorc fermerma, mTavrobis

koronaSeRaveTebiT isargeb-

leT?

_ miwis damuSavebisa da sawvavisTvis

gacemuli vauCeri miviRe,

magram, merwmuneT, es savsebiT

arasakmarisia.

_ ratom?

_ 21-e saukuneSi, roca adamians

erT xelSi aifoni uWiravs da meoreSi

_ Toxi, es warmoudgeneli Seusabamobaa!

adamians da mis saqmes

swored es gansxvaveba da atavizmi

angrevs.

_ SeiZleba, magram am kuTxiT

xelisuflebas brals ratom

sdebT?

_ mokled, miwis damuSavebisa da

sawvavis vauCeri kargia, magram

sofelSi xalxs teqnika ar gaaCnia.

glexebi ToxiTa da bariT muSaoben.

xalxs Rirseuli Sromis pirobebi

unda SevuqmnaT, rac mxolod

soflad axali teqnologiebis danergviTaa

SesaZlebeli! sxvagvarad

nebismieri saxis daxmareba, piradad

me, mosyidvis mcdelobad

meCveneba, anu xelisufleba Ratak

mosaxleobas eubneba, ai, raRac

mogeci da amiT kmayofili iyavio.

_ e. i., soflis meurneobis antikrizisuli

gegma, romelic xe-

lisuflebam koronis pirveli

talRis dros gagvacno, blefia?

_ iciT, ra xdeba? _ ai, magali-

Tad, traqtoris SesaZen programa-

Si aseTi Tanafardobaa: 40 procenti

grantia, 60 procenti ki fizikurma

pirma Tu kooperativma unda

daafinansos. warmoidgineT, yvelaze

iaffasiani axali traqtori

160 aTasi lari Rirs. hoda, Tu adamians

am Tanxis 60 procenti aqvs,

dameTanxmebiT, 40-procentiani sagranto

daxmareba namdvilad aRar

dasWirdeba. bolos da bolos, im

TanxiT, romelic aqvs, wava da meorad

traqtors iyidis da im biurokratiuli

formalobebisganac

ganTavisufldeba, rasac uamravi

dro da sakamod kvalificiuri

gamocdileba sWirdeba, rom yvela

aplikacia saTanadod Seavso. es

programebi isev mdidrebzea gaTvlili,

soflis mosaxleobis absolutur

umravlesobas ki sruliad

sxva saxis daxmareba sWirdeba.

_ ise, qalbatono lia, poli-

tikuri TavdasxmebisTvis mzad

xarT?

_ Tavdasxmebi im sferoSic iyo,

sadac politikamde vsaqmianobdi,

magram yvelafer amas marto gavumklavdi.

axla ki Zalian myar

gundTan erTad vmoqmedeb, Tanac

yovelTvis maxsovs Cinuri andaza

_ mamaci is ki araa, vinc vefxvs SeebrZoleba,

aramed is, vinc icis,

vefxvTan SebrZoleba ra Znelia,

magram mainc SeebrZoleba. mokled,

ukve 58 wlis gavxdi da, darwmunebuli

var, is, rasac dRes vakeTeb,

Tavdadebad Rirs. minda, Cemi cxovrebis

bolo periodi ufro metad

Sedegiani iyos da ufro bevr

adamians gamovadge! amitom politikuri

Tavdasxmebis namdvilad ar

meSinia, miuxedavad imisa, rom vici,

brZola vis da ris winaaRmdegac

momiwevs!

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`mrCeba gancda, rom ivaniSvili

mmarTveli partiis saarCevno

Sorena marsagiSvili

siis pirvelma oceulma „qarTuli

599 92 16 22

ocnebis” momxreebsac ki gaucrua

imedebi. samoqalaqo aqtivisti

kaxa miqaia meocnebeebisgan ukeTesi siis wardgenas arc elo-

da, magram arc ise egona, Tu aseTi SemadgenlobiT gamovidoda

biZina ivaniSvili. misi TqmiT, „ocnebas” Zalian susti gun-

di hyavs, magram raki opozicia ufro sustia, is Semodgomaze

xelisuflebis cvlilebebs ar elodeba. dReis monacemebiT ase

fiqrobs da xval, rogorc Tavad ambobs, SeiZleba viTareba

radikalurad Seicvalos. miqaias azriT, biZina ivaniSvili

Zalian bevr Secdomas uSvebs. araformalur mmarTvels samo-

qalaqo aqtivisti urCevs, rom arCevnebisTvis kargad

dafiqrdes da misTvis sabediswero Secdoma ar dauSvas.

ra iqneba ivaniSvilisTvis

sabediswero Secdoma? ratom

gamoiyureba gaxaria sxvebze

ukeTesad? ratom ar Rirs

irakli kobaxiZeze seriozuli

laparaki? vixilavT Tu ara

droebiT CaCoCebul dito

samxaraZes mTavrobaSi? ras

ver iyofen yofili xelisu-

flebis

warmomadgenlebi?

TanamSromlobs Tu ara opozi-

cia qveynis araformalur

mmarTvelTan? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s kaxa miqa-

ia esaubreba:

_ yofili xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi _ „nacionalebi”

da „evropuli saqarTve-

lo”, romelsac kaxeTSi gazze

gadayvanil „nacebs” eZaxian,

zugdidis olqis gamo serio-

zulad daetaknen erTmaneTs.

gazze gadayvanilebi Zalian

gaanawyena im informaciam, rom

„nacebi” aq maJoritarad giu-

li alasanias wardgenas

apirebdnen.

_ naturaluri „nacebi” da

gazze gadayvanili „nacebi” rom

erTmaneTs daupirispirdnen, es

cudi ambavi araa, magram es

Tema CemTvis naklebad sainteresoa.

ara mgonia, rom naturaluri,

gnebavT gazze momuSave

„nacebi” raime problemas

qmnidnen. isini problemas

arc samegreloSi warmoadgenen

da arc mTlianad qveyanaSi.

problema Tavad xelisufleba-

Sia. ai, es aris mTavari da mniSvnelovani

ambavi. gamudmebiT

imiT apelireba, rom opozicia

sustia, arafers warmoadgens

da arCevnebs uproblemod movigebT,

es Tavad „qarTul ocnebasa”

da mis amomrCevelze

moqmedebs Zalian cudad.

_ cudad ratom moqmedebs?

_ imitom, rom mmarTveli

partia opoziciis kritikiT da

qilikiT aris dakavebuli, gamudmebiT

imas gaiZaxis, rom maT

arCevnebze mougeben. arCevnebs

marTlac moigeben, magram amiT

ra? xom unda vicodeT, ra xdeba

amis Semdeg? xelisuflebam

verc pandemiis dros da verc

manamde ver Seasrula veranairi

dapireba, romelic sazogadoebas

misca. „qarTulma ocnebam”

ver Seasrula sazogadoebis

verc erTi dakveTa da es

aris faqti. amas ricxvebic kargad

mowmobs. seriozulad Tu

vilaparakebT, me opoziciaze

saerTod ar gavamaxvilebdi

yuradRebas. adrec bevrjer

miTqvams da axlac gavimeoreb,

rom saqarTveloSi, samwuxarod,

ar arsebobs iseTi opozicia,

romelic realur winaaRmdegobas

gauwevs biZina ivaniSvilis

„qarTul ocnebas”.

saqarTveloSi dRes opozicia

ar aris im doneze, romelic

realurad daayenebs xelisuflebis

cvlilebis sakiTxs sazogadoebis

winaSe. amis gamo

Zalian vwuxvar.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom oqtombris

arCevnebze xelisu-

fleba ar Seicvleba?

_ jerjerobiT qarTuli sazogadoeba

da amomrCeveli cvlilebebisTvis

mzad ar aris.

_ ratom ar aris mzad cv-

lilebebisTvis sazogadoeba?

_ imitom, rom is xelisuflebis

alternativas ver xedavs,

rac, Cemi azriT, Zalian

samwuxaroa.

_ marto amis gamo darCeba

xelisuflebaSi „qarTuli ocneba”,

romelmac, rogorc Ta-

vad aRniSneT, xalxs verc

erTi dapireba ver Seusrula?

_ ar vamtkiceb, rom biZina

ivaniSvilis „qarTuli ocneba”

xelisuflebaSi kidev erTi vadiT

darCeba. dReis monacemebiT

piradad me ver vxedav

Zalas, romelic arsebul xelisuflebas

Secvlis. horizontze

cvlilebebi, jerjerobiT,

ar Cans. amas xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebic xedaven

da amiT imSvideben Tavs.

mxolod ase Tu apireben fons

gasvlas. es, pirvel rigSi, maT-

Tvis iqneba cudi. aseTi viTareba

didxans ver gastans. Tanac

bevri rame iqneba damokidebuli

imaze, Tu rogor Seafaseben

evropa da SeerTebuli

Statebi oqtomberSi Catarebul

arCevnebs. SeiZleba, iseTi

rameebi moxdes arCevnebze, rom

radikalurad sxva suraTi mivi-

RoT. dRevandeli gadmosaxedidan

imis Tqma SemiZlia, rom

jer ar Cans Zala, romelic am

xelisuflebas Secvlis.

_ opozicia daiwuneT da

„qarTuli ocnebis” siis pirv-

el oceulze ras gvetyviT?

feisbuqze

gamoqveynebuli

Tqveni postebis mixedviT Tu

vimsjelebT, didad aRfrTov-

anebuli ar xarT.

_ aRfrTovanebuli arc opoziciiT

var da arc mmarTveli

partiiT. imedi mqonda, biZ-

kaxa miqaia:

`dasavleTi

`qarTuli ocnebis~

liders arCevnebSi

TviTnebobas aRar

apatiebs~

ina ivaniSvili saTanadod Seafasebda

arsebul viTarebas da

aqedan gamomdinare imoqmedebda.

mjeroda, rom saarCevno

siasac am realobis gaTvaliswinebiT

Seadgenda. pirvelma

oceulma imedebi Zalian gamicrua.

am siaze socialur qsel-

Si bevri saxumaro statusic

davwere, magram saxumarod namdvilad

ar gvaqvs saqme. pirdapir

geubnebiT, katastrofaa

„qarTuli ocnebis” saarCevno

siis pirveli oceuli.

_ siis pirvel nomer gaxar-

iasac katastrofad miiCnevT?

Tqven misi gulSematkivari

iyaviT. „gavrilovis Ramis” simZimis

miuxedavad, is mmarTv-

el partiaSi yvelaze naTeli

saxea.

_ minda, aucileblad aRniSnoT,

rom arasdros ar vgulSematkivrobdi

premier giorgi

gaxarias.

_ aba, ibrahimoviCs ratom

`rasac kobaxiZeze vfiqrob, amas verc getyviT

da romc giTxraT, gazeTSi ver dawerT.

amitom kobaxiZesa da TalakvaZeze aRar

gavagrZeloT. am personebze saubari Zalian

araseriozulad mimaCnia~

adarebdiT?

_ xumrobiT vadarebdi.

vfiqrobdi, rom moqmed premiers

bevris gakeTeba SeeZlo,

vidre gaakeTa. aq erTi ram

obieqturad vTqvaT, gaxarias

romc sdomoda ramis gakeTeba,

imaze mets mainc ver gaakeTebda,

rac aqamde gaakeTa.

_ ratom ver gaakeTebda?

_ imitom, rom gaxaria ar Rebulobs

gadawyvetilebebs. „qarTul

ocnebaSi” gadawyvetilebebs

mxolod erTi kaci Rebulobs

da es erTi kaci biZina

ivaniSvilia. problema gaxarias

damokidebulebaa ivaniSvilis

gadawyvetilebebis mimarT. gaxaria

ar aris damoukidebeli

figura. mas Zalian kargi menejeruli,

politikosisTvis damaxasiaTebeli

Tvisebebi aqvs,

magram es arasakmarisia imisTvis,

rom premieri Zlier politikosad

Camoyalibdes. gaxaria

dRes damokidebulia biZina ivaniSvilis

gadawyvetilebebze

da sanam es asea, is ver iqneba

mTavrobis iseTi meTauri, romelic

radikalur cvlilebebs

moaxdens qarTul politikaSi.

_ yvelafris miuxedavad,

mainc normaluria, rom gaxar-

ia siis pirvel nomrad Cawera

ivaniSvilma. magram arCil TalakvaZesa

da irakli kobaxiZes

ratom arguna sapatio meore

da mesame nomeri? Ta-

lakvaZe kidev poetobs, kobax-

iZe ki...

_ kobaxiZes, etyoba, poetoba

unda (icinis).... axla momiyvaneT

xumrobis xasiaTze, magram

rasac kobaxiZeze vfiqrob, amas

verc getyviT da romc giTxraT,

gazeTSi ver dawerT. amitom

kobaxiZesa da TalakvaZeze

aRar gavagrZeloT. am personebze

saubari Zalian araseriozulad

mimaCnia.

_ Tqven ki araseriozulad

migaCniaT maTze saubari, magram

siis sameulSi maTma xil-

vam xalxi gaaRiziana. ratom

aRizianebs „qarTuli ocnebis”

lideri qarTvel amomrCev-

els? „gavrilovis Rame” irak-

li kobaxiZis sindisze ufroa,

vidre _ giorgi gaxarias. eg

spikerobidan rom gadamd-

gariyo, rusTavelze sisxli ar

daiRvreboda.

_ geTanxmebiT. „gavrilovis

RameSi” yvelaze didi damnaSave

aris irakli kobaxiZe. quCaSi

xalxis gamosvlis Semdeg mas

parlamentis spikeris posti

rom daetovebina, aqciis monawileebi

daiSlebodnen da Cven

ar miviRebdiT gavrilovis

sisxlian Rames. rac Seexeba

kiTxvas, Tu ratom aRizianebs

qarTvel amomrCevels biZina

ivaniSvili, es CemTvisac cota

gaugebaria. mas Cveni sazogadoeba

mxolod kobaxiZiT da

TalakvaZiT ar gauRizianebia.

marto es ori persona rom iyos

problema, Cvens beds ZaRli ar

dahyefda. aSkaraa, rom „ocnebis”

liders qarTveli amomrCevlis

gaRizianeba uyvars.

_ eqsperiments xom ar

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opoziciasac akontrolebs~

atarebs Cvenze? politikaSi

rom movida Tqva, fsiqoanal-

iziT var gatacebulio.

_ ar dagimalavT da amaze

mec mifiqria. SeiZleba, marTlac

eqsperimentebs atarebs Cvenze,

magram imaze ar ufiqria,

Tu rogor dasruldeba es eqsperimenti?

ra icis, iqneb, mis-

Tvis yvelaferi cudad dasruldes.

_ mis mier gadadgmuli

nabijebiT Tu vimsjelebT,

namdvilad ar fiqrobs, Tu

rogor dasruldeba es eqsper-

imenti.

_ misi nabijebi CemSic bevr

gakvirvebas iwvevs da ver vxvdebi,

ase ratom iqceva. Sei-

Zleba, Tavad Cavardes Zalian

cud mdgomareobaSi.

_ aseT lafsusebs imitom

xom ar uSvebs, rom garemoc-

vas hyavs SecdomaSi Seyvanili

da arsebul situaciaze aras-

wor informacias awvdis?

_ amaSi ver dageTanxmebiT,

rom is garemocvas SecdomaSi

hyavs Seyvanili. es gamoricxulia.

biZina ivaniSvili ar aris

is adamiani, romelsac garemocva

moatyuebs.

_ aba, Tavs ityuebs?

_ Tavs ityuebs Tu ara, ar

vici, magram darwmunebuli var,

rom man SesaniSnavad icis, Tu

ra xdeba qveyanaSi. TalakvaZem

da maTikaSvilma rogor unda

moatyuon ivaniSvili? es warmoudgenelia.

_ maTikaSvili vaxseneT da

rogor moxda, rom ivaniSvilma

is pirvel oceulSi ar gaam-

wesa?

_ pirvel oceulSi ver moxvda,

magram cota qveviT Casvams,

magaliTad, meore oceul-

Si. sajarod vacxadeb, daviT

maTikaSvili „qarTuli ocnebis”

siaSi rom ar vixilo, Zalian

gavbrazdebi.

_ dito samxaraZis siis miR-

ma darCeniTac „ukmayofilo”

CandiT.

_ ukmayofilo viqnebi, aba,

ra! velodi, rom pirvel sameulSi

Cawerda mas biZina ivaniSvili.

misi aryofna siis pirvel

oceulSi didi danaklisia

mmarTveli partiisTvis.

_ xumroba iqiT iyos da ratom

gawies saparlamento si-

idan gverdiT? SemTxveviT,

ministrobisTvis xom ar amza-

deben?

_ biZina ivaniSvils iseTi

gadawyvetilebebi aqvs miRebuli,

ar gamovricxav, rom dito

samxaraZes marTlac Caabaros

romelime saministro. sanam samxaraZe

ministrad dauniSnavT,

gavixsenoT, ramdeni municipalitetisa

Tu qalaqis meri an

sakrebulos Tavmjdomare gau-

Sva „qarTulma ocnebam” saxl-

Si. zogierTi cixeSic moxvda.

zusti cifris dasaxeleba gami-

Wirdeba, gaSvebulTa raodenoba

ocs namdvilad aWarbebs. regionebi

samxaraZes hqonda Cabarebuli

da yvela es kadri man

`dReis monacemebiT piradad me ver vxedav Zalas, romelic arsebul

xelisuflebas Secvlis. horizontze cvlilebebi, jerjerobiT, ar Cans. amas

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebic xedaven da amiT imSvideben Tavs. mxolod

ase Tu apireben fons gasvlas. es, pirvel rigSi, maTTvis iqneba cudi. aseTi

viTareba didxans ver gastans~

SesTavaza biZina ivaniSvils.

masTan erTad kadrebis Ser-

CevaSi soso gogaSvilic monawileobda.

am merebisa da sakrebuloebis

gaSvebis Semxedvares

erTi kiTxva mebadeba, ar interesdeba

„qarTuli ocnebis”

lideri, vin moiyvana partiaSi

es xalxi da visi rekomendaciiT

moxvda Tanamdebobaze? mgoni,

aseT dros aseTi kiTxva

logikuria.

_ wesiT, ivaniSvils am sak-

iTxze kiTxvis dasma ar unda

sWirdebodes. Tavad ar TqviT,

„qarTuli ocnebis” liderma

yvelaferi iciso?

_ icis da, maT Soris, isic,

Tu vin gauwia am xalxs rekomendacia.

aqedan gamomdinare,

daskvna aseTia _ saqarTvelos

mosaxleobaze eqsperimenti gr-

Zeldeba, romelic Zalian cudad

dasruldeba.

_ socialur qselSi Tqven

gia xuxaSvils leqsi dauwer-

eT. is Tqveni muza mas Semdeg

gaxda, rac am ukanasknelma

premieris saqmianoba moiwona.

ratom SemoswyeriT mas,

eqspertsac xom aqvs ufleba,

viRaca moiwonos?

_ araferic ar Semovswyeri,

xuxaSvils sruli ufleba aqvs,

vinc unda, is Seaqos. aq sul

sxva ramea mTavari. da iciT, ra

aris am qveynis ubedureba? is,

rom giorgi gaxaria iTvleba

yvelaze seriozul politikur

figurad. es adamiani ivaniSvilis

politikis pirobebSi

gamoCnda.

_ Tavis droze kvirikaS-

vilic gamorCeuli ar iyo?

_ Zalian gTxovT, giorgi

kvirikaSvilze nu vilaparakebT.

misi da gaxarias Sedareba

ar SeiZleba. dRes saqarTvelo

ìciT, ra aris am qveynis ubedureba? is, rom

giorgi gaxaria iTvleba yvelaze seriozul

politikur figurad. es adamiani ivaniSvilis

politikis pirobebSi gamoCnda~

da misi mosaxleoba sistemuri

problemis winaSe dgas. dRes

xelisufleba Camokidebulia

erT kacze da yvela gadawyvetilebas

es erTi kaci iRebs.

„qarTul ocnebaSi” damoukidebeli

politikuri figurebi ar

arian. arsebuli sistemidan gamomdinare

es SeuZlebelia. es

sistema ar iZleva imis saSualebas,

rom adamianebma damoukideblad

miiRon gadawyvetilebebi

da sakuTari SesaZleblobebi

gamoavlinon.

_ arsebul sistemaSi arc

margvelaSvili yofila damoukidebeli

politikuri figu-

ra? prezidentad yofnis Jams

man xom gabeda da biZina ivaniSvilis

nebis winaaRmdeg wav-

ida?

_ ar minda giorgi margvela-

Svilze saubari. ar minda, rom

saqarTvelos prezidentze rame

cudi wamomcdes. amitom

Tavs Sevikaveb komentarisgan

da Tqvenc araferi mkiTxoT

masze.

_ saqarTvelos prezidenti

iyo mixeil saakaSvilic. kiTx-

va rom dagisvaT, maszec

arafers gvetyviT?

_ margvelaSvili sul sxvaa

da miSa _ sul sxva. saakaSvilze

imdeni rame vTqvi, rom salaparako

aRar damrCa. Cemze meti

aravis usaubria masze da arc

mis winaaRmdeg ubrZoliaT imdeni,

ramdenic me vibrZole.

miSaze Tu mkiTxavT, visaubreb,

magram margvelaSvilze

arafers vityvi.

_ „ocnebaSi” damoukidebeli

figurebi ar ariano. opoziciaSi

Tu aris aseTi xalxi? yve-

la partias hyavs lideri da is

Rebulobs gadawyvetilebas.

gansxvavebuli viTarebaa „evropul

saqarTveloSi”. am par-

tias ramdenime Tanabari Zalis

lideri hyavs.

_ am liderebs ar gaaCniaT

imis Zala, rom qveyanaSi realuri

cvlilebebi ganaxorciel-

on. aseTi gancda maqvs, rom opoziciasac

sakmaod kargad akontrolebs

biZina ivaniSvili.

amitom maT damoukideblad moqmedebas

skeptikurad vuyureb.

_ ras gulisxmobT roca ambobT,

rom ivaniSvili opozi-

cias akontrolebs? Sekrulebi

arian da erT TamaSs Tama-

Soben?

_ imisTvis, rom opozicia

ivaniSvilma akontrolos, Sekvra

da pirdapiri dialogi

saWiro ar aris.

_ aba, ra aris saWiro?

_ ivaniSvili opoziciis Secdomebs

iyenebda warsulSi, iyenebs

axlac da momavalSic gamoiyenebs.

_ uSecdomo arc isaa da mis

Secdomebs ver gamoiyenebs

opozicia?

_ jerjerobiT am Secdomebs

opozicia ver iyenebs. xval ra

iqneba, ar vici. araerTxel vTqvi

am interviuSi da kidev vityvi,

rom dReis monacemebiT

opozicia xelisuflebas ver

Secvlis.

_ 2012 welsac ase Canda, ma-

gram cixis kadrebma bevri

rame Secvala. welsac SeiZle-

ba, arCevnebis win raRac iseTi

moxdes, romelic arsebul su-

raTs radikalurad Secvlis.

_ saubris dasawyisSive giTxariT,

rom mtkicebiT formaSi

ar vambob, opozicia „qarTul

ocnebas” ver daamarcxebs. axlac

vityvi, rom yvelaferi

SeiZleba moxdes. ra _ amaze ar

vimarCieloT. politikaSi Sei-

Zleba winaswar Tqma, rom ase da

ase iqneba, magram mtkicebiTi

formiT saubari saWiro araa.

_ saakaSvilis SesaZlo dab-

runebaze ras fiqrobT? rac

qveynidan wavida, yvela arCevnebis

win dabrunebas aanonsebs.

axlac Tqva, davbrunde-

bio.

_ saakaSvilis dabrunebaze

leqss davwer da gamogigzavniT,

eg iqneba Cemi pasuxi.

_ bolo dros raRac moux-

SireT leqsebis weras da ar-

Cil TalakvaZes xom ar baZavT?

_ TalakvaZe dabadebuli ar

iyo, me rom leqsebs vwerdi. er-

Ti egaa, aluCaze araferi damiweria.

_ xumroba kargia, magram

saubris bolos isev seriozul

Temaze gadavideT. Tqveni azr-

iT, saarCevno procesi mSvidad

Caivlis?

_ dReis monacemebiT opozicias

arsebuli xelisuflebis

Secvla ar SeuZlia. amis miuxedavad,

arCevnebze daZabuloba

aucileblad iqneba. bolo

dros erT rameze vamaxvileb

yuradRebas da saubarsac am

TemiT davasruleb: ar mgonia,

rom dasavleTma arCevnebSi vinmes

Tavneboba apatios. dasavleTi

„ocnebis” liders aranair

darRvevas aRar gautarebs.

es biZina ivaniSvilma kargad

unda gaacnobieros.

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miuxedavad imisa, rom saqarTvel

eloSi uamravi politikuri partiaa, mxolod ramdenime maT-

gani miiCneva ZiriTad moTamaSed. bevrs amis aRiareba ar surs,

magram faqtia, rom politikur velze mTavari moTamaSeebi „na-

cionalebi” da „qarTuli ocneba” arian. „qarTuli dasis” lideri

jondi baRaTuria fiqrobs, rom es im politikis damsaxurebaa,

romelic ivaniSvilma „nacionalebTan” erTad 2012 wels daiwyo.

maSin „ocnebis” liderma Tqva, rom Sua unda gaikrifoso. Sua

gakrefis procesi axlac grZeldeba. jondi baRaTuria acxadebs,

rom amiT sazogadoebis polarizeba xdeba.

ras mogvitans sazogadoeb-

is polarizeba? vin TamaSobs

opoziciaSi ivaniSvilis Tam-

aSs? gaxdeba Tu ara kidev erTxel

saakaSvili „qarTuli ocnebis”

maSveli rgoli? gagr-

Zeldeba Tu ara brZola saaf-

Tiaqo mafiis winaaRmdeg? rog-

ori Zalebis naklebobaa qarT-

ul politikaSi? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s jondi ba-

RaTuria esaubreba:

_ batono jondi, Tqven „oc-

nebas” mouwodeT, rom saswr-

afod ipovos saakaSvilis ore-

uli, radganac miSas SemTxvevT

rame rom mouvides, maTi saqme

wasuli iqneba. ratom fiqrobT,

rom mesame prezidenti maTi

maSveli rgolia?

_ „qarTul ocnebas” marTla

sWirdeba miSas oreuli. es gaxlavT

is realoba, romelic er-

Toblivad Seqmnes miSa saakaSvilma

da biZina ivaniSvilma. orive

xedavs, rom sazogadoebis

did nawils akmayofilebs miSasa

da biZinas jinaze cxovreba. Sesabamisad,

isini xeli-xels hbans

principiT moqmedeben. rogorc

ki „qarTuli ocnebis” saqme cudad

midis, im wuTSi miSa mexan-

Zre-maSveliviT gamoCndeba xolme

da raRac saSinel sisuleles

daabrexvebs. magaliTad,

ityvis, rom TurqeTidan Semovdivar

saqarTveloSi da Tavs

dagesxmebiTo. amiT avtomaturad

axdens „ocnebaze” ganawyenebuli

sazogadoebis mobilizebas,

romelic ivaniSvilis irgvliv

irazmeba. amas „ocnebis”

lideri Zalian kargad iyenebs.

mis mier kontrolirebadi televiziebi

miSas sulelur gancxadebebs

dRedaRam atrialeben,

TiTqos qveyanaSi meti problema

ar iyos.

_ miSas gancxadebebi ivaniS-

vilis garSemo ki razmavs

„qarTul ocnebaze” ganawyeneb-

ul xalxs, magram amiT an

saakaSvils ra xeiri aqvs, an mis

„nacionalur moZraobas”?

_ miSa saakaSvilze „qarTuli

ocnebis” warmomadgenlebic aTasgvar

sisaZaglesa da sisuleles

amboben. es aRizianebs im

xalxs, visac miSa uyvars da bi-

Zina sZuls da isini ivaniSvilis

jinaze ukve „nacionaluri

moZraobisa” da miSas garSemo

irazmebian.

_ xalxi ver xvdeba, rom „qocebic”

da „nacebic” maTiT ma-

nipulireben?

_ sazogadoebis didi nawili

amas xvdeba. pirad saubrebSi

amboben, rom es asea, magram mere

iseT Sous dgamen miSasa da bi-

Zinas kontrolirebadi televiziebi,

rom xalxze mainc axdenen

zemoqmedebas. es Zalze primitiuli

meTodia, magram is jer kidev

muSaobs. miSas SeiZleba,

bevri rame daabralo, magram

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idioti namdvilad araa. is tyuilad

ar akeTebs aseT sulelur

gancxadebebs. mas rom qveyana

marTla adardebdes, cota xani

daisvenebda da gaqreboda politikidan.

_ amiT ra sargebels mou-

tanda saqarTvelos?

_ did sargebels moutanda.

sanam is kidev erTxel gaaqtiurdeboda,

saqarTveloSi politikuri

procesebi Zalian sainteresod

midioda. sazogadoebis

didi nawili gaemijna ivaniSvilis

„qarTul ocnebas” da eZebda

alternativas. am alternativas

isini arc „qocebSi” eZebdnen

da arc „nacebSi”, magram

gaaqtiurda miSa da radikalurad

Seicvala viTareba. bolo

erTi kviraa vatyob, rom qveyanaSi

isev daiwyo polarizacia

da Suas gakrefa.

_ Suas gakrefa cudia Tu

kargi? 2012 wels amas is axsna

moeZebna, rom opoziciis xmebi

ar dakarguliyo da yvela „oc-

nebisken” wasuliyo, raTa maT

„nacionaluri” moZraoba daema-

rcxebinaT. axla Suas gakrefa,

albaT, miSasTvis iqneba kargi.

_ Suas gakrefa miSasTvis da

biZinasTvis axla idealuri variantia.

amas wlebia, Zalian ostaturad

akeTeben. gakrefis

safrTxe ar emuqreba ivaniSvilis

satelitebs. maT Zalian didi

fuli aqvT. saxelisuflebo

media maT aqtiurad aSuqebs.

sakmarisia, bokeriam piri daa-

Ros, rom egreve pirdapir eTerSi

rTaven. igive iTqmis kidev

erT-or partiaze.

_ bokeria ivaniSvilis sate-

litia?

_ aba, visia? davijero, ar

icodiT? „evropuli saqarTvelo”

biZina ivaniSvilma Tavis

satelitad Zalian ostaturad

gadaaqcia. 2013 wels am gundis

wevrebis mimarT sami sisxlis

samarTlis saqme aRiZra. raRac

periodis Semdeg es saqmeebi Taroze

Semodes, samagierod, gigi

ugulavam da giga bokeriam miSa

saakaSvili gamoacxades jarTad

da misi daSlilebSi Cabareba

CaTvales mizanSewonilad. amiT

„nacionaluri moZraobis” mxardamWerebi

Zalian gaanawyenes.

samagierod, biZinas kontrolirebadi

televiziebis eTerebi

gaixsna maTTvis. am televiziebSi

dRemde didi privilegiebiT

sargebloben.

meore ivaniSvilis sateliti

aris partia „girCi”. am Zalas

biZina sazogadoebis Sesamzadeblad

iyenebs. magaliTad, maT

aJRerebinebs marixuanis dekriminalizaciis

Temas. isini iwyeben

saubars, rom marixuana Tavisuflad

unda gaiyidos da a. S.

„girCi” pirdapir ivaniSvilisa

da „qarTuli ocnebis” ruporia.

„qarTuli ocnebis” liders

`girCi~ da bokeria

jondi baRaTuria:

òcneba~ da

`nacionalebi~

isev cdiloben,

rom Sua

gaikrifos~

ki hyavs satelitebi opozicia-

Si, magram mainc ise daamTavrebs,

rogorc miSam daamTavra.

Tavis droze miSas opozicia

rom ar gaenadgurebina da maT-

Tvis televiziebi ar daeketa,

„qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebaSi

am doziT ver movidoda. me

maSin parlamentis wevri viyavi

da kargad maxsovs, Tu rogor

Wirda televiziebSi Cveni gaSuqeba.

dResac igive viTarebaa,

opozicia, faqtobrivad, ar arsebobs.

rogor ar arsebobs, magram

dablokilia da amis gamo

CrdilSi uwevs yofna. samagierod,

„girCebi” da bokerias

partia ar Camodian ekranebidan.

TvalSi sacemia is garemobac,

rom politikur partiebs saarCevno

programebi ar warmoudgeniaT.

mxolod Cven warmovadgineT

programa. amis fonze bokeria

unamusod gaiZaxis, pensiebs

gavaormagebTo. amasac imitom

ambobs, rom maTi saarCevno

nomeri aris 2. rogor SeiZleba,

ase daamciro sazogadoeba?

maTi saarCevno nomeri 3 rom

yofiliyo, is unda eTqva, agvir-

CieT da gavasammagebTo. televiziebi

mis am sulelur gancxadebas

aSuqeben didi anSlagiT.

„qarTulma dasma”seriozuli

sapensio reforma moamzada.

Cvens programas televiziam

sul 20 wami dauTmo. Cven Zalian

mSvid da uboroto kampanias vatarebT.

arc Tavs vesxmiT vinmes

da arc imas vaZaxebT, vin ramdeni

lukma gadaylapa. mixaria,

rom xalxs aseTi Temebi aRar

ainteresebs. sazogadoeba gaizarda

da maTTvis aRar aris saintereso,

Tu rogor lanZRaven

partiebi erTmaneTs. xalxs akademiuri

msjeloba da programebi

ainteresebs.

_ Tqven sakmaod seriozuli

kampania gqondaT dawyebuli

saafTiaqo mafiis winaaRmdeg.

axla am mimarTulebiT aRar

`qarTul ocnebas~ marTla sWirdeba miSas

oreuli. es gaxlavT is realoba, romelic

erToblivad Seqmnes miSa saakaSvilma da

biZina ivaniSvilma. orive xedavs, rom

sazogadoebis did nawils akmayofilebs miSasa

da biZinas jinaze cxovreba. Sesabamisad, isini

xeli-xels hbans principiT moqmedeben.

rogorc ki `qarTuli ocnebis~ saqme cudad

midis, im wuTSi miSa mexanZre-maSveliviT

gamoCndeba xolme da raRac saSinel

sisuleles daabrexvebs~

aqtiurobT da ra xdeba, Sew-

yviteT brZola?

_ rogor ar vaqtiurobT.

ubralod, es Tema gadaifara da

didad arc mediiT Suqdeba.

saafTiaqo mafiis winaaRmdeg

dawyebul kampanias ramdenime

politikuri partia gamoexmaura.

Cven Soris seriozuli

konsultaciebi mimdinareobs.

am konsultaciebma Zalian optimisturad

ganmawyo. mivxvdi,

rom Cven SeiZleba erTiani erovnuli

fronti CamovayaliboT.

erovnul flangze politikuri

klasi Zalian moikoWlebs. dRes

media Zalian aqtiurad aSuqebs,

rogorc liberalebs, aseve ultrapatriotebs.

media am ultrapatriotebis

radikalur

gamonaTqvamebs atrialebs da

Zalian mZime suraTi ixateba.

Cemi azriT, saqarTvelos gadarCenis

gza zomieri nacionalizmia.

am zomier nacionalizmi-

Si aucileblad CarTuli unda

iyvnen saqarTveloSi mcxovrebi

eTnikuri umciresobebis warmomadgenlebi.

es aris saqarTvelos

momavali da ara romelime

eris gamocxadeba Cvens mtrad.

saqarTvelos mtrebi arian is

adamianebi, romlebic 30 welia,

rac marTaven qveyanas. xazinisa

da xalxis Zarcvis garda arafriT

arian dakavebuli.

erovnuli frontis Seqmnis

saqmeSi Tavidan didi imedebiT

ar viyavi ganwyobili, magram

ramdenime partia gamomexmaura

da imedi momeca. Cven gadavwyviteT,

rom es flangi davalagoT.

dro marTalia cota gvaqvs,

magram raRacis gakeTebas mainc

movaswrebT.

_ am arCevnebSi apirebT

monawileobis miRebas?

_ vapirebT. Tvis bolomde

jer kidev gvaqvs dro. Cven Zal-

Rones ar viSurebT da ra gamogviva,

vnaxoT.

_ Tqven saakaSvilis perio-

di gaixseneT, roca opozicia

mZime dReSi iyaviT. arc axla

ulxins opozicias. maSin ufro

rTuli iyo opozicioneroba,

Tu axla? miSas dros opozicia

Riad idevneboda, axla ase

aRar xdeba.

_ maSindel da dRevandel

yofas Soris es gansxvavebaa.

fizikurad aRar gvisworeben

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ivaniSvilis satelitebi arian~

angariSs, magram sxvanairad

varT „gatiskulebi”. media SezRudulia

CvenTvis. finansebze

wvdomaSic SezRudulebi varT.

erTi egaa, rom quCaSi ar dagvdeven.

esec SeiZleba droebiTia.

_ droebiTi ratomaa? fiqrobT,

rom Zalis gamoyeneba-

zec gadavlen?

_ Tu dasWirdebaT, gadavlen.

jer amis gakeTeba ar dasWirvebiaT.

xval ra iqneba, ar vici.

winaswar Znelia imis Tqma, moqmedi

xelisufleba gamoiyenebs

Tu ara Zalas opoziciis winaaRmdeg.

_ gasuli wlis 20 ivniss

erTxel ukve gamoiyena xelisu-

flebam Zala xalxisa da opoz-

iciis winaaRmdeg.

_ 20 ivnisis RamesTan dakav-

SirebiT miSistebisgan gansxvavebuli

azri maqvs. „gavrilovis

Rames” marTlac gamoiyenes

araproporciuli Zala. policiamac

gadaaWarba Tavis uflebamosilebas.

amis miuxedavad, 20

ivnisisa da 2007 wlis 7 noembris

mSvidobiani aqciis darbevas

erTmaneTs ver Sevadareb.

amis gakeTeba ar SeiZleba.

_ ratom ar SeiZleba am ori

aqciis Sedareba?

_ ar miyvars opoziciis

winaaRmdeg raRacebis Tqma, magram

axla momiwevs amis gakeTeba.

gasuli wlis 20 ivniss politikurma

Zalebma Zalian cudad

gamoiyenes axalgazrdebis gulwrfeli

protesti.

_ ras gulisxmobT, roca ambobT,

rom axalgazrdebis pro-

testi cudad gamoiyenes?

_ politikurma Zalebma

rusTavelze gamosuli axalgazrdebis

daxmarebiT gaamwvaves

situacia.

_ Tqveni azriT, axalgazr-

debs mwvave protesti ar unda

hqonodaT imaze, rom ruseTis

dumis wevri gavrilovi saqar-

Tvelos parlamentis spikeris

savarZelSi Cajda?

_ es namdvilad iyo protestis

mizezi. Cemi azriT, gavrilovis

saqarTvelos parlamentis

Tavmjdomaris savarZelSi

Casma iyo danaSauli da ara imis

gamo, rom is ruseTis warmomadgeneli

gaxldaT da afxazeTisa

da cxinvalis damoukidebloba

aRiara. parlamentis Tavmjdomaris

savarZelSi arc erTi

qveynis warmomadgeneli ar unda

dasva. maT Soris, arc saqarTvelos

parlamentis wevrebi. wlebis

manZilze viyavi parlamentis

wevri. araerTxel yofila ise,

rom spikeratSi raRac molaparakebi

gamarTula. zogi sad jdeboda,

zogi _ sad. vice-spikeris

savarZelSi Cavmjdarvar, magram

spikeris savrZelSi arasdros

Cavjdebodi. parlamentis Tavmjdomaris

savarZeli qveynis

erTgvari simboloa da iq rogorc

SeiZleba, sxva dajdes?!

_ e. i. samarTlianad gauprotestebia

opozicias gavrilovis

Cajdoma spikeris savar-

ZelSi.

èvropuli saqarTvelo~ biZina ivaniSvilma Tavis satelitad Zalian

ostaturad gadaaqcia. 2013 wels am gundis wevrebis mimarT sami sisxlis

samarTlis saqme aRiZra. raRac periodis Semdeg es saqmeebi Taroze Semodes,

samagierod, gigi ugulavam da giga bokeriam miSa saakaSvili gamoacxades

jarTad da misi daSlilebSi Cabareba CaTvales mizanSewonilad. amiT

`nacionaluri moZraobis~ mxardamWerebi Zalian gaanawyenes. samagierod,

biZinas kontrolirebadi televiziebis eTerebi gaixsna maTTvis~

_ Zalian cudi formiT moxda

amis gaprotesteba. amas Sedegad

mohyva aqciis darbeva da

saqarTveloc seriozulad dazaralda.

_ saqarTvelo ranairad daz-

aralda?

_ ekonomikurad. am ambebis

Semdeg saqarTveloSi mkveTrad

Semcirda rusi turistebis

raodenoba. Cven davkargeT milionamde

rusi turisti. rodesac

ruseTis mimarT samarTliani

protestiT gamovdivarT,

yovelTvis zRvari unda gavavloT

ruseTis mosaxleobasa da

xelisuflebas Soris. ar Sei-

Zleba, xalxi xalxs daatako da

N20 (322) 15.09-21.09.2020 w.

Sens qveyanas daakargvino Semosavali.

_ imis SiSiT, rom aq rusi

turistebi aRar Camovlen, moskovis

qmedebebi ar unda davg-

moT?

_ rogor ar unda davgmoT,

magram rus xalxsa da maT xelisuflebas

Soris mkveTri

sazRvari unda gavavloT. Cveni

qveynis erT-erTi mTavari Semosavali

aris turizmi da es ar

unda dagvaviwydes. Cveni mosaxleobis

nawili turistuli biznesiT

irCens Tavs. gavrilovis

winaaRmdeg mowyobili aqciis

gamo Zalian bevri Semosavali

dakarga xalxma. politiko-

`meore ivaniSvilis sateliti aris partia

`girCi~. am Zalas biZina sazogadoebis

Sesamzadeblad iyenebs. magaliTad, maT

aJRerebinebs marixuanis dekriminalizaciis

Temas. isini iwyeben saubars, rom marixuana

Tavisuflad unda gaiyidos da a. S. `girCi~

pirdapir ivaniSvilisa da `qarTuli ocnebis~

ruporia~

sebi amiT ar dazaralebulan.

isini grantebze da Sav fulze

sxedan da mSvenivrad cxovroben.

amitom ar viyavi 20 ivnisis

aqciiT aRfrTovanebuli. amis

miuxedavad, aucileblad vityvi,

rom im Rames policiam Tavis

uflebamosilebas gadaaWarba.

_ Tqveni azriT, ra Sedegi

daideba arCevnebze? arc „qoci”

xarT da arc „naci”, amit-

om Tqveni prognozi sainter-

eso iqneba.

_ Cvens sazogadoebaSi Zalian

gazrdilia mgrZnobeloba politikuri

procesebis mimarT. amitom

imis prognozireba, Tu ra

Sedegi daideba arCevnebze, Zalian

rTulia. advili SesaZlebelia,

rom xelisuflebam raRacaze

waiborZikos da amiT situacia

diametrulad Seicvalos.

rame Tu ar Seicvala da xelisuflebam

ar waiborZika, savaraudod,

isev orpolusian parlaments

miviRebT. parlamentSi isev

„qocebi” da „nacebi” iqnebian

mTavar Zalebad warmodgenilebi.

„qarTuli ocnebis” satelitebs

Zalian gauWirdebaT barieris

gadalaxva, magram ivaniSvili

yvela Rones ixmars, rom

„girCi” da bokerias partia parlaments

miRma ar darCnen.

parlamentSi moxvdeba kidev

ramdenime opoziciuri partia.

mgonia, rom iq „qarTuli dasic”

SeZlebs Sesvlas. amis imeds is

cnobili partiebi maZlevs, vis-

Tan erTadac vawarmoebT molaparakebebs

da SeiZleba, erTad

gamovideT arCevnebze.

_ ar gvetyviT, romel partiebTan

awarmoebT molapar-

akebebs?

_ jer ar getyviT. dagegmili

gvaqvs, rom am kviraSi gavakeToT

prezentacia. yvela ZalasTan

molaparakebebis dasrulebas

SeiZleba arc davelodoT da

vinc movilaparakeT, imaT gavakeToT

gancxadeba. dialogs

prezentaciis Semdegac gavagr-

ZelebT. Tvis bolomde jer kidev

gvaqvs dro. vecdebiT, rom

maqsimalurad msxvili gaerTianeba

gavakeToT.

_ politikuri procesebis

mimarT sazogadoebaSi mgrZnobeloba

momatebulia da prog-

nozis gakeTeba Zneliao, TqviT.

imis Tqmac giWirT, gveyoleba

Tu ara momavalSi koaliciuri

mTavroba?

_ gadaWriT am Temaze saubaric

rTulia. Tu araferi Seicvala

da es procesebi gagrZelda,

eWvi mepareba, rom koaliciuri

mTavroba gvyavdes. xelisufleba

Tu Secdomas dauSvebs, maSin

ukve SesaZlebelia koaliciuri

mTavrobis formirebaze fiqri.

_ aris imis albaToba, rom

ivaniSvilma Secdoma dauSvas?

_ procesebis radikalizacia

Tu moxda, xelisufleba ufro

iolad dauSvebs Secdomas. Suas

gakrefa da sazogadoebis polarizeba

es ukve radikalizaciaa.

saqarTvelo bevri qveynis

interesis sferos warmoadgens

da aq procesebis radikalizacia

viRacam SesaZloa, Tavisi

interesebisTvis gamoiyenos.

dReisTvis ivaniSvils TiTqmis

yvela aqtorTan aqvs dalagebuli

situacia. aSkaraa, rom ruseTTanac

dalagebulia saqme.

moskovi didad agresiulad ar

moqmedebs. amerikis SeerTebuli

Statebi seriozul gavlenas

moaxdens Cvens arCevnebze.

_ ruseTi ver moaxdens

arCevnebze gavlenas?

_ iribi gavlenis moxdena

ruseTsac SeuZlia. saqarTveloSi

aris prorusulad ganwyobili

sazogadoeba. moskovs Seu-

Zlia maT mimarTos, Tu vis unda

miscen xma. am mimarTulebiT aSS

ufro aqtiuria. amerikis axali

elCis, keli degnanis mimarT

didi simpaTiiT var ganwyobili.

Zalian aqtiuri qalbatonia.

TiTqmis yvelaferze akeTebs

komentars, maT Soris, iseT Temebzec,

razdaec elCi komentars

ar unda akeTebdes. aqve

unda iTqvas, rom is komentarebs

Zalian koreqtuli formiT

akeTebs. erTi SexedviT ver ifiqreb,

rom arCevnebis SedegebiT

dainteresebulia, magram Cven

xom viciT, Tu ramxela interesi

aqvs vaSingtons saqarTvelos

mimarT. saqarTveloSi Tavisi

gavlenebis gaZlierebas sxva

saxelmwifoebic cdiloben. es

Cven ar vcdilobT arafers. isev

polarizacias davubrundebi

da es Zalian saxifaTo pricesia.

am Sua gakrefam SesaZloa, seriozul

dapirispirebamde migviyvanios.

amas rom Tavi davaneboT,

Suas gakrefa politikuri

speqtris ganviTarebas uSlis

xels. politikur velze mxolod

ramdenime partiis adgilia

da isini am velze sxvas ar SemouSveben.

qveyanaSi ki yvelaferi

ise iqneba, rogorc maT awyobT.

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`dRes saqarTvelo ucxouri

mimdinare wlis 3 seqtembers

giorgi abaSiZe

cnobili gaxda, rom lugaris

laboratoriaze hakeruli Tavdasxma

ganxorcielda. kerZod, Sss-s mier gavrcelebuli in-

formaciis Tanaxmad, centraluri kriminaluri policiis

departamentis kiberdanaSaulTan brZolis sammarTvelom

saqarTvelos okupirebuli teritoriebidan devnilTa, Sromis,

janmrTelobisa da socialuri dacvis saministros ko-

mpiuterul sistemaSi unebarTvo SeRwevis faqtze gamoZieba

daiwyo. amasTan, Sss-m sazogadoebas amcno, rom aRniSnuli

hakeruli Seteva saministros centralur aparatsa da mis

struqturul erTeulebSi, maT Soris, riCard lugaris sax-

elobis sazogadoebrivi jandacvis kvleviTi centris monacem-

Ta bazebSi arsebuli monacemebis ukanonod dauflebis mizniT,

pirvel seqtembers ganxorcielda.

momxdars saqarTvelos prezidenti,

salome zurabiSvili

sagangebo gancxadebiT gamoexmaura

da lugaris laboratoriis

winaaRmdeg ganxorcielebuli

Seteva antihumanur

aqtad da saqarTvelos daSinebis

morig mcdelobad Seafasa.

marTalia, Riad aravis uTqvams,

rom lugarze ieriSi Sesa-

Zloa, rusma hakerebma miitanes,

magram arsebobs gonivruli

eWvi, rom yvelafer amis kvali

swored CrdiloeTamde midiodes.

ratom gaCnda aseTi eWvi? _

daviwyoT imiT, rom lugarze

hakerul Tavdasxmamde arcTu

didi xniT adre putinis erTerTi

yvelaze Seurigebeli opozicioneri,

aleqsei navalni,

mowamles, romelic samkurnalod

germaniaSi gadaiyvanes.

oficialuri kremli navalnis

mowamvlasTan araTu

kavSirs uaryofs, aramed imasac

ambobs, rom ruseTidan germaniaSi

gamgzavrebis dros navalni

mowamluli ar iyo. metic:

ramdenime dRis win ruseTis

dumis Tavdacvis komitetis

Tavmjdomaris moadgile iuri

Svitkinma rusul saxelmwifo

saagento „riasTan” aRniSna, momwamvleli

„noviCoki”, romlis

msgavsi nivTierebac navalnis

organizmSi aRmoCnda, ruseTis

teritoriaze ar mzaddeba da

aseTi qimiuri nivTierebebi

aSS-dan saqarTvelos laboratoriaSia

Catanilio.

Svitkinis am gancxadebas

saqarTvelos parlamentis

pirveli vice-spikeri, gia volski

gamoexmaura da mas muqara

da politikuri demarSi uwoda.

Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rom

politikaSi SemTxveviT araferi

xdeba, savsebiT SesaZlebelia,

navalnis mowamvlasa da

lugarze hakerul Setevas Soris

garkveuli kavSiri arsebobdes,

miT umetes, kremls

lugaris laboratoria, rogorc

ityvian, yelze adgas da am

strategiul da umniSvnelovanes

obieqtze dezinformacias

periodulad avrcelebs xolme.

mokled, ratom aRizianebs

putinis administracias lugaris

laboratoria? _ „qroni-

ka+” usafrTxoebis eqsperts,

samxedro kontrdazvervis yo-

fil maRalCinosan konstan-

tine forCxiZes esaubra:

_ batono kote, arsebobs

garkveuli molodini, rom 31

oqtombris arCevnebis Semdeg

saqarTveloSi rusuli gavle-

nebi SesaZloa, gaZlierdes. am

eWvs isic aZlierebs, rom ramdenime

dRis win lugaris laboratoriaze

erTgvari kiber-

Seteva ganxorcielda, ris

Sedegadac hakerebma calkeuli

masalebi moipares. marTa-

lia, oficialurad ar dadasturebula,

magram am hakeruli

qurdobis kvali, didi albaTobiT,

CrdiloeTamde mi-

dis. mokled, Tqveni azriT,

rusebi lugarSi ras eZeben?

_ imiT daviwyoT, Tu ra aris

lugaris laboratoriis mTavari

daniSnuleba.

_ ki batono, gismenT...

_ am laboratoriis erTerTi

mTavari daniSnuleba daavadebaTa

prevenciaa, rac koronapandemiis

drosac gamoCnda.

amerikelebma es laboratoria

saqarTveloSi swored am

mizniTac gaxsnes. sxvaTa Soris,

ver vityviT, rom lugaris laboratoria

mxolod erTi mTavrobis

damsaxurebiT gvaqvs, anu

es laboratoria saqarTvelos

sami _ dRevandeli, wina da SevardnaZis

_ xelisuflebis

dros, ase vTqvaT, Camoyalibda.

_ es rogor?

_ Tavis droze, idea gaCnda,

mere am ideis ganxorcieleba

daiwyo, bolos ki laboratoria

eqsploataciaSi Sevida. ise

nu warmovidgenT, rom lugaris

laboratoria mxolod erTi

Senobaa. mas eqvemdebareba saqarTvelos

sxvadasxva regionSi

arsebuli daavadebaTa kontrolis

centrebi.

erTi sityviT, lugaris laboratoriis

gaxsna, TavisTavad,

wingadadgmuli nabiji iyo, miT

umetes, rom Cvens jandacvis

saministros epidemiologiuri

samsaxuri, praqtikulad, ar

hqonda _ 90-ian wlebSi misi infrastruqtura

ganadgurda da

Cveni amerikeli megobrebi dagvexmarnen,

rom dRes aseTi

mSvenieri samecniero-kvleviTi

dawesebuleba gvqondes, romelic

mxolod epidemiologiuri

mimarTulebiT ki ar muSaobs,

anu garkveuli daavadebebis

prevencias ki ar axdens, aramed

kote forCxiZe:

`lugaris

laboratoria

SesaZloa,

teroristebis

samizned

gamoiyenon!~

mecnierebsac zrdis.

lugaris laboratoria strategiuli

obieqtia da amitomac

imTaviTve saxelmwifos xelSia

_ Tavidan, roca eqsploataciaSi

Sevida, Sss-s eqvemdebareboda,

mere samoqalaqo

relsebze gadavida, Tumca saxelmwifos

kontroli arasodes

moudunebia da es imaze metyvelebs,

rom igi mniSvnelovani

obieqtia. lugaris laboratoriaSi

virusuli Stamebi, aseve

Sesabamisi antidotebi inaxeba.

yvelaferi ki imisTvisaa saWiro,

rom danaSaulis adreul

stadiaze gamovlena da prevencia

xdeba. am kuTxiT es Zalian

mniSvnelovani obieqtia da gasakviri

araa, rom misi arseboba

ruseTs aRizianebs.

_ gasakviri ratom araa?

_ ruseTma, jer kidev, sabWo-

Ta kavSiris dros, kerZod,

gasuli saukunis 50-ian wlebSi,

muSaoba daiwyo baqteriologiuri,

biologiuri da qimiuri

iaraRis Seqmnaze. yvela es iaraRi

hibriduli omis dros umniSvnelovanesi

elementia.

_ sabWoTa kavSiris dros

xelovnuri virusebic xom ar

gamohyavdaT?

_ ara. saerTod, xelovnuri

virusi ar arsebobs, anu nebismieri

virusi bunebrivia da is

bunebaSi arsebobs, Tumca garkveul

mutacias ganicdis da

`me, rogorc yofil specsamsaxurelma, vici,

rom ruseTis specsamsaxurebTan Cvens qveyanas

araferi unda akavSirebdes. Tu ruseTis

specsamsaxurebTan rame gvakavSirebs, es imas

niSnavs, rom Cvens interesebs ugulebelvyofT!~

viruss imitom swavloben, rom

Stami Seqmnan, romelic am viruss

daamarcxebs.

_ es gasagebia, magram ver

vxvdebi, am Temas lugaris

laboratoriis

konteqstSi

ratom exebiT, batono kote?

_ lugaris laboratoriaSi

swored aseTi samecniero kvlevebi

mimdinareobs.

_ am kvlevebSi cudi xom

araferia?

_ ra Tqma unda, ara. piriqiT,

im pirobebSi, roca qveyanaSi

epidemiologiuri samsaxuri ar

arsebobs, lugaris laboratoria

wingadadgmuli nabijia.

ise, iciT, zesaxelmwifoebi

baqteriologiur iaraRs ra

mizniT qmnian xolme?

_ ara, ar vici...

_ sxva qveynebSi rom gaitanon,

anu baqteriologiuri iaraRi

e. w. civi omis erT-erTi

arsenalia.

_ sainteresoa, magram isev

lugaris laboratorias davu-

brundeT, sadac, pirdapir Tu

iribad, amerikuli interesi-

caa, anu Tu dadasturda, rom

lugarze Seteva rusma hakere-

bma miitanes, e. i., kremlma

„civi omi” saqarTvelos ki ara,

TeTr saxls gamoucxada?

_ diax, es interesebis gadakveTaa.

saerTod, dRes saqarTvelo

ucxouri specsamsaxurebis

poligonia.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ roca vambobT, rom lugar-

Si garkveuli Stamebi inaxeba,

masze Sesabamisi organoebis

mxridan mudmivi operatiuli

meTvalyureoba unda vrceldebodes,

anu miuxedavad imisa,

rom lugaris laboratoria

samoqalaqo obieqtia, mis usafrTxoebas,

rogorc SigniT,

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specsamsaxurebis poligonia!~

aseve gareTac, specialuri operatiuli

samsaxurebi unda

uzrunvelyofdnen. ruseTsa da

Cvens mezobel sxva did qveynebsac

Tavi davaneboT. swored

aqedan gamomdinare, lugaris

laboratoria mxolod didi

sikeTis ki ara, SeiZleba, didi

safrTxis momtanic iyos!

_ sxvaTa Soris, vidre

lugaris laboratoriaze hakeruli

Seteva ganxorcielde-

boda, ruseTSi opozicioneri

navalni mowamles, Tumca krem-

li irwmuneba, rom im dros,

roca germaniaSi samkurnalod

waiyvanes, navalni mowamluli

ar iyo...

_ diax, kremlma miniSneba

saqarTveloze gaakeTa.

_ mokled, es ori inciden-

ti da agreTve isic, cxinvalis

saokupacio reJimis mier

qarTvelebis Ramurebis qur-

dobis braldebiT dakaveba

erT konteqstSi xom ar unda

ganvixiloT?

_ es Cveulebrivi zRaparia!

yvelafer amas politikuri

qveteqsti aqvs da imisTvisaa

saWiro, rom Cvens saxelmwifoze

zegavlena moaxdinon!

diax, es politikuri Setevaa,

romelsac hobriduli omis

garkveuli elementebi axlavs.

_ qarTulma saxelmwifom ra

unda gaakeTos, rom es Seteva

moigerios?

_ araferi.

_ anu umoqmedod unda viy-

oT?

_ lugaris msgavsi laboratoria

azerbaijanSic arsebobs.

_ ukacravad, es Cems kiTx-

vasTan ra kavSirSia?

_ azerbaijanSi arsebul

lugaris msgavss laboratoriaze

ruseTi xmas ar iRebs, radgan

azerbaijanis politikurma

xelmZRvanelobam Tavisi strategiuli

kursi da mimarTuleba

Seicvala, anu prodasavlur

interesebs aRar gamoxatavs da

imisTvisac aRar iRvwis, rom

evrokavSiris wevri gaxdes. ise,

lugaris laboratoriis daniSnuleba

mxolod samedicinoa,

anu saqarTvelo is qveyana araa,

romelic sakuTar teritoriaze

baqteriologiuri an biologiuri

iaraRis warmoebas daiwyebs.

es iseTi bodvaa, romelic

arc erT normalur saxelmwifos

mouva TavSi. saerTod,

baqteriologiuri da biolo-

`lugaris laboratoriis daniSnuleba mxolod samedicinoa, anu saqarTvelo

is qveyana araa, romelic sakuTar teritoriaze baqteriologiuri an

biologiuri iaraRis warmoebas daiwyebs. es iseTi bodvaa, romelic arc erT

normalur saxelmwifos mouva TavSi. saerTod, baqteriologiuri da

biologiuri iraRis warmoebaze kontrols mxolod didi qveynebi ki ara,

gaeroc axorcielebs~

giuri iraRis warmoebaze kontrols

mxolod didi qveynebi

ki ara, gaeroc axorcielebs.

_ erTi sityviT, ruseTi

saqarTveloze da, am SemTxvev-

aSi, lugarze ieriSs imitom

axorcielebs, rom prodasavlur

kursze uari gvaTqmevi-

nos?

_ ra Tqma unda, es erT-erTi

mizania. warmogidgeniaT, am pandemiis

dros lugaris laboratoria

rom ar gvqonoda, ra

dagvemarTeboda?

_ ra?

_ zustad iseT qaosSi SevidodiT,

rogorSic 90-ian wleb-

Si viyaviT, roca epidemiologiuri

samsaxurebi, praqtikulad,

aRar gvqonda... is, rom

dRes saqarTveloSi pandemiis

kuTxiT iseTi mdgomareoba

araa, rogoric sxva qveynebSi

da mwvane zonad vrCebiT, mxolod

lugaris laboratoriis

ki ara, im eqimebis damsaxurebacaa,

romlebsac sazogadoebam

„sami muSketeri” uwoda.

_ mwvane zona aRar varT, ba-

tono kote...

_ diax, magram CvenTan koronavirusis

farTo gavrceleba

mainc ar moxdeba...

_ erTi sityviT, yovelive

zemoTqmulidan gamomdinare,

saqarTvelo rusuli specsam-

saxurebis Setevis obieqtia?

_ yovelTvis ase iyo da axlac

asea. saerTod, am kuTxiT

ruseTs Tavisi interesebi deklarirebuli

aqvs da amaSi axali

araferia... ruseTs unda,

rom saqarTveloSi Tundac epidemiologiuri

kuTxiT qaosi

iyos.

_ ratom?

_ iq, sadac qaosia, kremli

Tavis interesebs ufro advilad

atarebs. es mxolod specsamsaxurisTvis

ki ara, nebism-

`roca koronis arsebobas ugulebelyofs, amiT

ruseTi qaoss qmnis. mas stabiluri kavkasia ar

awyobs da arc SeiZleba, awyobdes, radgan

kavkasiis nawili, CrdiloeT kavkasiis saxiT,

mis teritoriazea. is kontaqti ki, romelic

CrdiloeT kavkasias samxreT kavkasiasTan aqvs,

kremlisTvis safrTxea~

ieri adamianisTvis Zalian martivi

formulaa. sxvaTa Soris,

ruseTs mxolod aSS ki ara, yvelaferi

amerikuli da isic aRizianebs,

rac amerikelebis mieraa

Seqmnili. kremls aseTi

damokidebuleba evropis mimarT

ar aqvs.

_ amas riT xsniT, batono

kote?

_ ruseTis strategiuli mowinaaRmdege

amerikis SeerTebuli

Statebia da es Tavdacvis

im doqtrinaSic pirdapir uweria,

romelic ramdenime wlis

win miiRo. mokled, nebismier

obieqtSi, romelic saqarTveloSi

aSS-isganaa vizirebuli,

kremli safrTxes xedavs!

_ am mocemulobaSi, saqa-

rTvelos xelisuflebam ra

unda gaakeTos?

_ ra unda gaakeTos da igive

lugaris laboratoria araTu

unda daicvas, aramed mis ganviTarebazec

izrunos.

_ ise, batono kote, isic

rusuli narativi xom araa, vi-

Racebi rom amtkiceben, koro-

na ar arsebobso?

_ ra sisulelea! korona arsebobs

da misi areboba Tavad

ruseTmac gamoscada, sadac

pandemias Zalian mZime Sedegebi

mohyva _ Tu ar meSleba,

ruseTi im qveynebis aTeulSia,

sadac koronis msxverpli gacilebiT

maRalia. sxvaTa Soris,

ruseTSi Cemi axloblebi cxovroben,

romelTac es virusi

gadaitanes da rogor SeiZleba,

vinmem Tqvas, korona ar arsebobso?

mokled, koronis

ararsebobaze saubari Cveulebrivi

rusuli narativia.

korona rom ar arsebobdes, ma-

Sin msoflio jandacvis organizacia

pandemias ratom gamoacxadebda?

_ kremls koronis ugulebe-

lyofa raSi awyobs?

_ roca koronis arsebobas

ugulebelyofs, amiT ruseTi

qaoss qmnis. mas stabiluri kavkasia

ar awyobs da arc SeiZleba,

awyobdes, radgan kavkasiis

nawili, CrdiloeT kavkasiis

saxiT, mis teritoriazea. is

kontaqti ki, romelic CrdiloeT

kavkasias samxreT kavkasiasTan

aqvs, kremlisTvis safrTxea.

_ is, rom ruseTi, Tundac

koronis sababiT saqarTvelo-

Si qaosis Seqmnas cdilobs,

wesiT, Cvenma mTavrobamac un-

da icodes, Tumca moxda is,

rac moxda, anu im dros, roca

saqarTvelos sahaero Tu sax-

meleTo sazRvrebi Caketilia,

rusi turistebi Cvens qveyana-

Si mainc Tavisuflad Semodi-

an. tvirTebze arafers vambob,

magram Tqveni versiiT, „ocnebam”

rus turistebs sazR-

vari ratom ar Cauketa?

_ Tu ketav, sazRvari absoluturad

yvela qveyanasTan

unda Caketo. araerTxel miTqvams

da axlac vityvi erT frazas,

romelic specsamsaxurebisTvisaa

damaxasiaTebeli: arsebobs

ori megobari qveyana,

magram ar arsebobs ori megobari

specsamsaxuri!

_ es ras niSnavs?

_ im dros, roca sazRvari

Ria da moSiSvlebuli gaqvs,

dazRveuli ar xar, rom virusi

ki ara, rame iseTi gavrceldes,

rac SeiZleba, ise iqnas ganxiluli,

rogorc ekonomikuri

diversia. mokled, yvelaferi

virusamde ar unda daviyvanoT.

_ maSasadame, ruseTisgan safrTxe,

sxvadasxva kuTxiT, re-

aluria, ara?

_ ra Tqma unda, realuria.

ar unda dagvaviwydes, rom

ruseTi Cveni arakeTilmosurne

mezobelia da yvelaze didi

sazRvari swored masTan gvaqvs.

erTi sityviT, imis Tqma minda,

rom Tu sazRvari TurqeT-

Tan davketeT, maSin ruseTsa da

yvela im qveyanasTanac unda

davketoT, saidanac SesaZloa,

safrTxe gvemuqrebodes.

_ anu ruseTidan turiste-

bis SemoSveba xelisuflebis

Secdomaa?

_ diax. virusis gadamtani

satvirTo manqanebi ki ara, adamianebi

arian!

sxvaTa Soris, amas winaT,

dasavleT saqarTveloSi viyavi

da Zalian bevri rusi turisti

vnaxe, rac Zalian gamikvirda. es

normaluri namdvilad araa!

me, rogorc saqarTvelos

moqalaqes, SeiZleba, ruseTTan

keTilmezobloba mindodes, magram

me, rogorc yofil specsamsaxurelma,

vici, rom ruse-

Tis specsamsaxurebTan Cvens

qveyanas araferi unda akav-

Sirebdes. Tu ruseTis specsamsaxurebTan

rame gvakavSirebs,

es imas niSnavs, rom Cvens interesebs

ugulebelvyofT!

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`Zalovnebis erTi jgufi arsebul

qveynis araformalur mmarTvel

Sorena marsagiSvili

biZina ivaniSvilis deidaSvili da

599 92 16 22

marjvena xeli, odiozuri persona

uCa mamacaSvili, morig skandalSi

gaexvia. gasul kviras „tv pirvelma” gamoaqveyna dokumentebi,

saidanac vigebT, rom oligarqis naTesavi moskovSi Zalian xSir-

ad dafrinavs da kacma ar icis, iq ra misias asrulebs(!!!).

oTar kvirikaSvili:

`kompromatebi

„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelos”

wevri oTar kvirikaSvili miiCnevs,

rom es skandaluri informacia

medias susis maRalCinosnebma

miawodes. is darwmunebulia,

rom specsamsaxurebma medi-

as aRniSnuli informacia

arCevnebis win specialurad ga-

dasces.

risTvis dasWirdaT susis ma-

RalCinosnebs ivaniSvilis say-

vareli deidaSvilis gaSaveba?

TanamSromloben Tu ara Zalovani

struqturebis warmomadgenlebi

opoziciasTan? ratom malavs

„ocnebis” deputatobis kan-

didati, rom „nacionalebis”

dros sasjelaRsrulebis saministroSi

departaments xelmZRv-

anelobda? rogor unda gamoiyvanos

opoziciam xalxi nihil-

izmidan? _ amis Sesaxeb oTar

kvirikaSvili „qronika+”-s es-

aubreba:

_ didi ambebi mohyva infor-

macias imis Sesaxeb, rom biZina

ivaniSvilis deidaSvili uCa mama-

caSvili saqmeebis mosagvareblad

moskovSi xSirad dafrinavda.

Tqven socialur qselSi dawer-

eT, rom medias es informacia

susma miawoda. ratom ggoniaT,

rom susi dgas amis ukan?

_ opozicias rom msgavsi dokumentebi

hqonoda, aqamde aTasjer

gamoaqveynebda, Tumca faqtia,

aravis araferi gamouqveynebia.

aba, saidan gaCnda amdeni oficialuri

dokumenti, frenebis

ganrigi, rusul specsamsaxureb-

Si daculi dosie da a. S.? aseT

informaciebze wvdoma mxolod

susisa da Sss-s maRalCinosnebs an

premier-ministrs Tu eqneba. darwmunebuli

var, es informaciac

maT mier aris gacemuli.

aseTi rameebi ki maSin xdeba,

rodesac gemi iZireba da yvelaze

gavleniani pirebi Tavis gadarCenas

cdiloben. ase iyo Sevardna-

Zis dros, ase moxda 2012-Sic da

ase xdeba axlac _ „qarTuli ocneba”

iZireba, amas maRal eSelonebSi

droulad amCneven, dabal

eSelonebSi ki samagiso arc

informacia aqvT da arc goneba

uWriT, rom magdens mixvdnen. zogierTi

ki Zalian bevrs iRebs sakuTar

Tavze da amis gamo samagaliTodac

isjeba.

aq saintereso is ambavia, rom

informaciam susidan gamoJona,

Torem mamacaSvili ruseTSi

ivaniSvilis Suamavali rom aris

da moskovSi raRacebs ulagebs, es

yvelasTvis cnobilia. biZinasac

araerTxel aqvs naTqvami, rom

mamacaSvili misi sayvareli deidaSvilia

da mas Zalian endoba.

rodesac oligarqi saqarTvelo-

Si dabrunda, rusebma yvela biznesi

ar gamoatanes. misi raRac

biznesebi iq darCa. am biznesebsac

mixedva sWirdeba. mamacaSvili am

saqmeebsac agvarebs. moskovSi

oligarqis deidaSvili poli-

tikuri saxis Sexvedrebsac mar-

Tavs.

_ ratom xarT ise darwmunebuli,

rom mamacaSvilis mosko-

vuri voiaJebis Sesaxeb medias

informacia susma miawoda? iqneb,

romelime aviakompania dgas amis

ukan?

_ SesaZlebelia, rom viRac mgzavrze

marTlac mogawodos aviakompaniam

informacia, magram

Cven sul sxva tipis dosie vixileT.

saubaria ruseTis uSiSroebis

dosieze. rodesac aseTi

dosie xvdeba Jurnalistis xel-

Si, Zalian martivi gasaSifria,

rom msgavss dokumentebTan wvdoma

qarTuli specsamsaxurebis

garda aravis eqneboda. gasaTvaliswinebelia

isic, rom dosieze

wvdoma mxolod maRalCinosnebs

aqvT. susis rigiT TanamSromlebs,

rogorc ukve giTxariT, aseT

dokumentebze xeli ar miuwvdebaT.

aseTi informaciebi, rogorc

wesi, ZiriTadad, maSin Jonavs,

roca esa Tu is xelisufleba

unda wavides. specsamsaxurebis

maRalCinosnebi xelisuflebis

cvlilebebis gardauvalobas yvelaze

win grZnoben, radganac maT

Zalian bevri informacia aqvT.

maT xelSia Sida kvlevebi, dasavleTidan

mosuli informaciebi

da a. S. am yvelafers aanalizeben

da cdiloben, rom momavali

mTavrobisganac miiRon garantiebi.

ase moiqcnen wina xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebic. roca dainaxes,

rom saakaSvilis gemi iZireboda,

„ocnebasTan” daiwyes TanamSromloba.

bevri maTgani dRes

maRal Tanamdebobazea. erT-erTi

amaTgani, giorgi xojevaniSvili,

„qarTulma ocnebam” gorSi ma-

Joritarobis kandidatad waradgina.

ivaniSvilis partiam meore

Zmasac daufasa Rvawli. is axla

sus-is ufrosis moadgilea.

saakaSvilis mmarTvelobis

dros giorgi xojevaniSvili

sasjelaRsrulebis saministros

departamentis ufrosi iyo. is im

periodSi gaxldaT am uwyebis ma-

RalCinosani, roca Cven aqciebs

aqciebze vawyobdiT cixeebSi patimrebis

wamebis gamo. giorgis

Zma ki Sinagan saqmeTa saministros

geninspeqciis ufrosi da vano

merabiSvilis TanaSemwe iyo. yvelas

gaxsovT is cnobili kadrebi

muxrovanis amboxebidan, sadac

vano or gvams iTxovs. xojevaniSvili

iq mis gverdiT dgas.

giorgi xojevaniSvili gorSi

aqtiur saarCevno kampanias atarebs:

xvdeba amomrCevels, iZleva

dapirebebs. arigeben bukletebs,

sadac misi biografia weria, magram

arsad araa aRniSnuli, rom

cixeSi muSaobda. arada, mas iq

sakmaod maRali Tanamdeboba ekava

_ ganyofilebis ufrosi iyo.

mas saerTaSoriso urTierTobebi

ebara. misi movaleoba gaxldaT,

mamacaSvilze

medias susis

maRalCinosanma

miawoda~

saerTaSoriso organizaciebisTvis

moexsenebina, Tu ra viTareba

iyo qarTul cixeebSi. rame dauweria,

Tu ra saSineleba xdeboda

maSin sapatimroebSi? xma ar amouRia.

arsad msmenia, rom xojevaniSvils

patimrebis wameba daegmo.

_ arc gaqocebis Semdeg ula-

parakia am Temaze.

_ iseTi poza daikava, TiTqos

ar icoda, cixeSi patimrebs rom

awamebdnen.

_ SesaZlebelia, rom es in-

formacia misTvis cnobili ar

yofiliyo?

_ gamoricxulia, rom amis

Sesaxeb ar scodnoda. magan Tu ar

icoda, aba, vin icoda?! cixeebSi

patimrebs araadamianurad rom

epyrobodnen, es rigiTma moqalaqeebmac

ki icodnen. amaze bevri

iwereboda mediaSi. patimrebis

`saintereso is ambavia, rom informaciam susidan

gamoJona, Torem mamacaSvili ruseTSi

ivaniSvilis Suamavali rom aris da moskovSi

raRacebs ulagebs, es yvelasTvis cnobilia.

biZinasac araerTxel aqvs naTqvami, rom

mamacaSvili misi sayvareli deidaSvilia da mas

Zalian endoba. rodesac oligarqi saqarTveloSi

dabrunda, rusebma yvela biznesi ar gamoatanes.

misi raRac biznesebi iq darCa. am biznesebsac

mixedva sWirdeba. mamacaSvili am saqmeebsac

agvarebs. moskovSi oligarqis deidaSvili

politikuri saxis Sexvedrebsac marTavs~

wamebis Sesaxeb informacia lado

bedukaZesac ki hqonda, romelic

cixis rigiTi TanamSromeli iyo.

xojevaniSvili ki ganyofilebas

xelmZRvanelobda. warmoudgenelia,

mas ar scodnoda, Tu ra xdeboda

cixeebSi. amis Sesaxeb informacia

misi ZmisTvisac iqneboda

cnobili, romelic vano merabiSvilis

marjvena xelad iTvleboda.„nacionalebis”

dros xojevaniSvilebi

Zalian maRal postebze

muSaobdnen, magram amas ZmebisTvis

xeli ar SeuSlia, rom

„qarTul ocnebasTan” daelagebinaT

_ erTi sus-is ufrosis moadgilea,

meore jer gubernatori

iyo, axla ki maJoritari deputatobis

kandidatia.

ar gamovricxav rom uCa mamacaSvilis

dosie xojevaniSvilebis

msgavsi tipebis mier iyos gamotanili.

aseTi kadrebi mravlad

gvyavs specsamsaxurebSi. saWiro

dros gamoaqvT xolme saWiro informaciebi

gareT da gadadian

erTi mTavrobidan meore

mTavrobaSi. aseT portirebulebze

dgas dRes „qarTuli ocneba”

da gasakviri araa, rom iqidan informaciebi

Jonavs.

_ isev mamacaSvilis dosies

davubrundeT. Tqveni azriT,

risTvis dasWirda sus-is romeliRac

maRalCinosans masze in-

formaciis gavrceleba?

_ imitom, rom is aris biZina

ivaniSvilis marjvena xeli. Tqven

ra ggoniaT, mamacaSvilze marto

es informacia eqnebaT? sxva dosieebic

edebaT Taroebze. am dosieebs

mxolod medias ar miawvdian.

didi albaTobiT mamacaSvilze

dosies opoziciasac miutanen, Tu

ukve mitanili ar aqvT. SesaZloa,

raRac dokumentebi Seinaxon da

mere miitanon, roca xelisufleba

Seicvleba. bevri skandaluri

informaciaa maT xelSi. Seecdebian,

rom maTi daxmarebiT garantiebi

miiRon. garantiebis misaRebad

ukve dawyebuli aqvT muSaoba.

imdeni gabedes, rom ivaniSvilis

marjvena xels miadgnen. aqamde

Zalian dabali donis moxeleebze

aZlevdnen medias informaciebs.

magaliTad, irakli sesiaSvilis

saxlsa da auzze.

sesiaSvilebisa da TalakvaZeebis

mxileba biZina ivaniSvils veranairad

ver daazaralebda. sxva

saqmea moskovSi mamacaSvilis sirbili.

cxadia, rom is iq oligarqis

davalebiT dadioda da mis

saqmeebs agvarebda. es „qarTuli

ocnebis” lideris winaaRmdeg

ukve Zalian seriozuli kompromatia.

radganac ukve ivaniSvilis

imiji dadga dartymis qveS, es

niSnavs, rom Zalovnebis raRac

jgufi arsebul xelisuflebas

wyals uyenebs.

_ SevardnaZis mmarTvelobis

bolo Jamsac ase iyo _ Sss da

uSiSroeba, faqtobrivad, dau-

faravad muSaobda opoziciaze.

_ im droidan bevri darCa sus-

Si, isini gamocdili xalxia da

axal xelisuflebasTan Segueba

ar gauWirdebaT. magaliTisTvis

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xelisuflebas wyals uyenebs~

kidev erTxel moviyvan xojevaniSvilebs.

miSas drosac maRalCinosnebi

iyvnen da axlac maRalCinosnebi

arian. iseTi Jriamuli aqvT

xolme giorgi xojevaniSvilis

danaxvaze gorSi „ocnebis” momxreebs,

TiTqos deputatobis

kandidati aqtiurad ebrZoda re-

Jims.

_ saakaSvilis xelisuflebis

winaaRmdeg gorelebi aqtiurad

ibrZodnen da davijero, ar

ician, rom xojevaniSvili cixeSi

maRal Tanamdebobaze muSaobda?

ras Jriamuloben xojevaniSvilis

danaxvaze?

_ gorelebs es rogor ar axsovT,

magram is xalxi, vinc marTla

ebrZoda reJims, „qarTulma

ocnebam” gverdze gaswia. is xalxi

daiyena gverdiT, vinc 2012 wlamde

opoziciisa da, maT Soris, Tavad

„qarTuli ocnebis” mowinaaRmdege

iyo. aviRoT Tundac goris

axlandeli meri kote TavzaraSvili.

Tavis droze is „qarTuli

ocnebis” winaaRmdegi iyo. 2012

wels gorSi „ocnebas” ofisis miqiravebazec

ki uari uTxra.

_ samagierod axla bodavs

„ocnebaze”.

_ martivad moaxerxa amaTTan

saerTo enis gamonaxva da dRes

qalaqis meria. bevri iseTi gorelia

„ocnebis” maRalCinosani,

romelic „nacionalebis” dros

skamze adioda da ise svamda vano

merabiSvilis sadRegrZelos.

_ isev mamacaSvilis Temas davubrundeT

da es dosie Tu mar-

Tla susidan aris gamotanili,

maSin saarCevnodac unda velo-

doT skandaluri informaciebis

gavrcelebas. daaxloebiT im

efeqtis, rogoric 2012 wels

cixis kadrebi iyo.

_ gamoricxuli ar aris. raRac

informacia aucileblad gamovardeba.

araerTxel mifiqria,

rom opozicias dasWirdeba raRac

msgavsi skandali, raTa situacia

Semoatrialos. xelisufleba

cdilobs, rom opoziciis yvela

aqtiuroba kovid-regulaciebiT

SezRudos. yvelafers gaakeTeben,

rom opoziciis saarCevno kampaniam

draivi ar akrifos. eseni arc

qalaqebis Caketvaze ityvian uars,

magram araferi gamova.

xalxTan xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebis

Sexvedras Tvals

vadevneb da erTi rame Zalian

aSkaraa, es mafiqrebinebs, rom

„qarTuli ocnebis” saqme wasulia.

xelisuflebisa da mosaxleobis

Sexvedrebze bednieri saxe aravis

aqvs. uRimRamo da damwuxrebuli

saxeebiT xvdeba xalxi „qarTuli

ocnebis” warmomadgenlebs. iseTi

saxeebi aqvT am adamianebs, rom darwmunebuli

var, isini arCevnebze

xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg miscemen

xmas. SesaZloa, opoziciuri

partiebic gadaxazon, ar vici,

magram ivaniSvilis partias xmas

rom ar miscemen, amaSi Rrmad var

darwmunebuli. „qarTulma ocnebam”

yvelaferi gaakeTa imisTvis,

rom xalxi nihilizmSi Cavardniliyo.

opoziciis valdebulebaa,

es xalxi am mdgomareobidan

gamoiyvanos. amisTvis yvelaferi

unda gavakeToT.

_ xalxze aranakleb mWmunvare

`qarTuli ocnebis~ siis pirvel oceulSi ragbisti kaWarava da

kalaTburTeli sanikiZe Caweres. rogorc sportsmenebs orives did pativs

vcem. maT Zalian bevri sixaruli moutanes gulSematkivars, magram ra

undaT sportsmenebs sakanonmdeblo organoSi? ra unda gaakeTon maT, roca

qveyana aseT mZime dReSia Cavardnili? saswauli ekonomikuri gegma

gvWirdeba, raTa saqarTvelo im relsebs mainc daubrundes, rac aqamde iyos.

jer aqamde ra iyo, magram mand dabrunebasac saocari tvinis patroni

ekonomistebi sWirdeba. aseT situaciaSi ar mesmis, sanikiZem da kaWaravam

parlamentSi ra unda gaakeTon?~

saxeebiT dadian Tavad xelisu-

flebis warmomadgenlebi. saar-

Cevno siis pirveli oceulis wardgenisas

biZina ivaniSvilsac sak-

maod damwuxrebuli saxe hqonda.

_ diax. isic unda aRvniSnoT,

rom 2016 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebisgan gansxvavebiT maqsimalurad

Tavs ikavebs da xalxSi

ar Cndeba.

_ siis oceulis wardgenaze

xom gamoCnda?

_ mandac rom ar gamoCeniliyo,

Zalian didi sircxvili iqneboda.

erTxel gamoCena arafers niSnavs.

2016 wels lamis yvela sofeli

moiara da piradad xelmZRvanelobda

„qarTuli ocnebis” saarCevno

kampanias. wina kviras, saarCevno

siis pirveli oceulis wardgenaze,

Zalian aWrili saxe hqonda.

aseTi ivaniSvili 2018 wlis

saprezidento arCevnebis pirveli

turis Semdeg maxsovs, roca televiziiT

gamovida da gvexveweboda,

salomes mieciT xma da yvelafers

gamovasworebo.

vuyureb am mwuxare saxeebs da

imedianad var ganwyobili. mjera,

rom „qarTuli ocneba” arCevneb-

Si damarcxdeba. imaSi Rrmad var

darwmunebuli, rom xalxs aSineben,

Sexvedrebze misvlas aZaleben.

zewolaSi CarTulia susi, Sss

`saakaSvilis mmarTvelobis dros giorgi

xojevaniSvili sasjelaRsrulebis saministros

departamentis ufrosi iyo. is im periodSi

gaxldaT am uwyebis maRalCinosani, roca Cven

aqciebs aqciebze vawyobdiT cixeebSi patimrebis

wamebis gamo. giorgis Zma ki Sinagan saqmeTa

saministros geninspeqciis ufrosi da vano

merabiSvilis TanaSemwe iyo. yvelas gaxsovT is

cnobili kadrebi muxrovanis amboxebidan,

sadac vano or gvams iTxovs. xojevaniSvili iq

mis gverdiT dgas~

da kriminaluri samyaro, magram

xalxs imdenad yelSi aqvs amosuli

„ocneba”, rom es saxezec ki

etyoba.

calke aRniSvnis Rirsia is xalxi,

romelic „qarTulma ocnebam”

maJoritarebad waradgina

da saarCevno siaSi Cawera. vin arian?

saidan moiyvanes? ra undaT?

_ ver gaigeb. ivaniSvilis partiis

maJoritarebis kandidatebis naxevarze

meti yofili „nacionalia”,

siis pirveli oceulis wevrebi ki

politikosebi saerTod ar arian.

biZina ivaniSvils am qveynis

winaSe bevri danaSauli aqvs Cadenili.

misi erT-erTi mTavari

danaSauli isaa, rom politikidan

politikosebi gandevna. rogorc

fexburTelebis gareSe ver iTamaSeb

fexburTs da iqneba qaosi,

iseTi areuloba Semoitana qveyanaSi.

viRaca SeiZleba kargi menejeri

iyo, viRacam SeiZleba Zalian

kargi universiteti daamTavra,

magram isini politikosebi

ar arian. politikosi rom iyo,

sxva codna da gamocdileba unda

gqondes. arapolitikosebi politikaSi

verafers gaakeTeben. es

igivea, fexburTi rom aTamaSo

mokriveebs. saSineleba iqneba moedanze.

fexburTi fexburTelebma

unda iTamaSon, politika ki politikosebma

akeTon.

_ kalaZe Tu iyo profesiona-

li fexburTeli, magitom iTamaSa

kargad. 10 wuTSi ori avtogoli

gaitana saqarTvelos nakrebis

karSi.

_ kalaZe calke ambavia. „qar-

Tuli ocnebis” siis pirvel oceulSi

ragbisti kaWarava da kalaTburTeli

sanikiZe Caweres.

rogorc sportsmenebs orives

did pativs vcem. maT Zalian bevri

sixaruli moutanes gulSematkivars,

magram ra undaT sportsmenebs

sakanonmdeblo organoSi?

ra unda gaakeTon maT, roca qveyana

aseT mZime dReSia Cavardnili?

saswauli ekonomikuri gegma gvWirdeba,

raTa saqarTvelo im rel-

sebs mainc daubrundes, rac aqamde

iyos. jer aqamde ra iyo, magram

mand dabrunebasac saocari tvinis

patroni ekonomistebi sWirdeba.

aseT situaciaSi ar mesmis,

sanikiZem da kaWaravam parlamentSi

ra unda gaakeTon?

_ didi albaTobiT, unda iCx-

ubon.

_ savaraudod, iCxubeben, sxvas

verafers gaakeTeben. meeWveba,

kanonebi daweron.

_ zemoT miTxariT, xalxi ni-

hilizmSia da yvelaferi unda

gavakeToT, rom am mdgomareobidan

gamoviyvanoTo. es rom gaa-

keToT, Tavad opozicia unda

iyoT aqtiuri. dRes arc opozi-

ciaa aqtiuri. igive iTqmis Tqvens

partiaze. „gamarjvebulma saqarTvelom”

xeirianad Camoyalibebac

ver moaswariT. dafuZne-

bidan maleve daiWires partiis

lideri oqruaSvili. mere bevr-

ma datova partia.

_ Cveni partiac male amoiqoqeba.

partiis lideri irakli

oqruaSvili ukve dasaxelda saburTalos

maJoritari deputatobis

kandidatad. am kviraSi kidev

ramdenime regionSi warvadgenT

maJoritarobis kandidatebs. samwuxarod,

yvela olqSi ver davasaxelebT

maJoritarebs. gasagebi

mizezebis gamo Cven arc partiis

Senebis dro gvqonia da arc _

resursi. iciT, rom iraklim aTi

Tve cixeSi gaatara. misi aryofnis

periodSi zogi aqeT wavida,

zogi _ iqiT. kidev kargi, gadawyoba

mainc movaxerxeT. grZelvadiani

perspeqtivisTvis kargia, rom

visac wasvla undoda, droze wavida.

_ maTma wasvlam xom dagaz-

aralaT? kargi rogor iyo?

_ vfiqrob, rom maTi wasvliT

partia ar dazaralebula. isini

mainc wavidodnen da jobia, es

axla rom gaakeTes, Torem igive

moxdeboda, rac doliZeebma da

abaSiZeebma irakli alasanias

gaukeTes. raRac kuTxiT mainc

davzaraldiT, magram maTi wasvlis

gamo _ ara. rTulia, roca

axalSeqmnili partiis Tavmjdomare

cixeSia. ver movaswariT

bolomde partiis aSeneba, sirTuleebis

miuxedavad raRacis gakeTeba

mainc moxerxda da Zalian

male daviwyebT aqtiur saarCevno

kampanias. darwmunebuli var,

raRac doziT SevalT parlamentSi.

Cveni xmebi SesaZloa, gadamwyvetic

ki aRmoCndes. mTeli

saqarTvelos masStabiT ver vasaxelebT

kandidatebs, magram sadac

davasaxelebT, iq Zalian aqtiurebi

viqnebiT.

_ yvela olqSi maJoritaris

dasaxelebis fufuneba mxolod

or Zalas hqonda: moqmed da yofil

xelisuflebas. da „lelo-

mac” moaxerxa es.

_ Cvengan gansxvavebiT maT didi

resursi aqvT. rac ar unda resursebi

hqondes ama Tu im Zalas,

verc erTi partia damoukideblad

ver SeZlebs mTavrobis dakompleqtebas.

koaliciuri mTavroba

ualternativoa. arCevnebis Semdeg

yvela partias mouwevs molaparakebebis

magidasTan dasxdoma da

koaliciaze dalaparakeba.

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ekologiuri problema erTerTi

globaluri problemaTaga-

nia, romelic ar cnobs miwier

sazRvrebsa da manZils. „qronika+”

gTavazobT unikalur intervius

wlis ekologTan, „usafrTxo

garemosTvis”

aRmasrulebel

direqtorTan, profesor emere-

tus nodar CxeiZesTan. dRes didi

vaJkacoba unda hqondes adamians,

rom im sakiTxebze ilaparakos,

rac batonma nodarma CvenTan

saubrisas gaaJRera:

_ baTumi ara marto sazRvao

qalaqia, aramed erT-erT upirveles

turistul centrs warmoadgens

Tavisi kulturul-socialuri

Tu sainJinro infrastruqturiT.

am qalaqis ekologiuri problemebi

gadaxlarTulia Savi zRvis

ekologiur stabilurobasTan, vinaidan

is, rogorc saporto qalaqi,

warmoadgens amierkavkasiaSi

mniSvnelovan satransporto kvan-

Zs. didi wyalwyvis gemebi did

zemoqmedebas axdenen qalaqis rekreaciuli

zonis ekovargisianobaze,

rac gamoixateba satvirTo gemebis

mier zRvaSi sxvadasxva mavne

nivTierebis CaqcevaSi.

_ rogorc vici, mavne niv-

Tierebis Caqcevaze didi jarime-

bia dawesebuli.

_ ki batono, didi jarimebis

sazRaurad xdeba es Caqcevebi, magram

zRvis gawmenda xom veRar xerxdeba.

es gaxlavT swored imis

mizezi, rom qalaqis rekreaciuli

zonis (plaJebi) ekologiuri mdgomareoba

ukiduresad mZimea. erTi

mxriv, danagvianebuli „plaJebi”,

meore mxriv, „plaJebis” warecxvis

mudmivi procesebi. Tu pirveli

aixsneba „plaJebis” momxmareblebis

ekologiuri gaunaTleblobisa

da kulturis deficitiT,

ra Tqma unda, aq sanapiroebis mepatroneebic

scodaven, saplaJe

inventaris deficitiT, gasaxdelebisa

da saSxapeebis naklebobiT,

plaJebis arasakmarisi da araregularuli

dasufTavebiT. aRarafers

vambob sanapiro zolis kvebis

xarisxiani produqtebiT momaragebis

ignorirebaze. kidev ufro

cudad aris saqme plaJebis warecxvis,

zRvis napirebis ngrevisa da

zRvis mier plaJebis teritoriebis

mitacebis mxriv.

_ Tqven „warecxvas” xmarobT

garecxvis an dasufTavebis mag-

ivrad?

_ Savi zRvis sanapiros saqarTvelos

monakveTis, gansakuTrebiT

sarfi-baTumi-qobuleTis napiri

ganicdis warecxvis intensiur procesebs.

sarfi-kvariaTis, adliaaxali

bulvaris, Caqvi-cixisZirisa

da qobuleTis mTeli sanapiroebis

ekologiuri mdgomareoba,

kategoriulad unda iTqvas, katastrofulia.

napirebis warecxvis

mizezebi mdgomareobs ara marto

md. Woroxze mSenebare kaSxlebSi,

aramed saplaJe masalebis, Woroxis

natanis akumulirebuli masis,

maxos xididan qvemoT, Woroxis

deltamde, intensiur amoRebaSi da

ra teritoria dakarga baTumma?

plaJebis deficitis Sevsebis magivrad

sxva miznebiaTvis mis gamoyenebaSi,

rac aris saqarTvelos

kanonis darRveva.

_ ki magram, sanapiro zolis

gamagrebiT samuSaoebsa da kaSx-

lebis mSeneblobas xom mTavroba

afinansebs?

_ ki batono! saqarTvelos

mTavrobis mier dafinansebuli napirgamagrebisaTvis

mSenebare gabionebi

veraviTar kritikas ver

uZlebs, verc proeqtis nawilSi da

verc mSeneblobaSi. imis magivrad,

rom napirgamagrebis proeqtebi

oTxmetriani talRis simaRleze

gaTvliT keTdebodes, midiT da

naxeT, ra xdeba.

_ ra xdeba?

_ sarfi-kvariaTis monakveTis

mSenebare gabioni aTmetrian tal-

Razea gaTvlili da amasTan 30-32

metris sifarTea. „tetrapodebi”,

anu betonis Camosxmuli konstruqciuli

elementebi, arasworad

ewyoba. aseTi obieqtis mSenebloba

gaxlavT, pirdapiri mniSvnelobiT,

wyalSi gadayrili fuli.

_ batono nodar, CamogviT-

valeT konkretuli darRvevebi.

_ mSenebare gabionis nawili

axal bulvarSi didi darRvevebi-

Taa aSenebuli, gabionis zeda fena

unda iyos xuTtoniani granitis

masivebiT moSandakebuli. maT magivrad

ki awyvia 200-500 kilogramiani

„kenWebi”, romlebsac pirvelive

2-3-metriani simaRlis talRebi gadarecxavs.

gabionebiT zRvis napirebis

gamagreba SesaZlebelia,

efeqtianic iyos, magram ra vqnaT,

Tu turistul qalaqSi vkargavT

rekreaciul zonebs?!

_ ra aris saWiro imisTvis, rom

gadavarCinoT napirebi warecxvis-

agan da ar davkargoT plaJebi?

_ amisaTvis aucilebelia mcuravi

StormSemarbilebeli nagebobebis

zRvaSi ganTavseba baTumisa

da Caqvi-qobuleTis monakve-

Tze. aseTi nagebobebis ganTavseba

napiridan 30-100 m-Si gadaarCens

Cvens plaJebs. Zalian mikvirs, aqamde

aravis rom ar dauwyia saplaJe

masalis (qva-RorRi) xelovnurad

zRvaSi Setana, rac keTdeboda kidec

gasuli saukunis 70-80-ian wlebSi.

maSin am meTodiT ara marto

SeCerda zRvis napirebis warecxva,

aramed baTumi-foTis monakveTze

aRdgenili plaJebis saerTo far-

Tma 40-45 heqtars gadaaWarba.

dResac SesaZlebelia aseTi meTodis

gamoyeneba, magram qva-RorRis

deficiti aZvirebs samuSaoebs. amitom

saWiro iqneba romelime kldovani

mTis ngreva, lodebis damsxvreva

da transportireba.

_ aseTma midgomam xom SeiZle-

ba, sxva ekologiuri problemebi

Seqmnas, vinaidan aravin icis, ra

moyveba mTebis ngrevas?

_ geTanxmebiT, Tu mxedveloba-

Si miviRebT im faqts, rom arsebuli

plaJebis sarfi-qobuleTis

monakveTze SenarCunebas daaxloebiT

1,5 milioni m3 qva-RorRis

erTdroulad zRvaSi Cayra sWirdeba

da Semdeg yovelwliurad 250-

300 aTasi m3-is damateba.

_ Cveni saubris dasawyisSi

aRniSneT, rom zRva utevs xme-

leTs...

_ wyals aqvs didi maxsovroba _

e. w. „hidrodinamikuri maxsovroba”.

axlave agixsniT, ras niSnavs es:

Savi zRvis napirebi aTi aTasi wlis

winaT baTumis SemogarenSi, sof.

urexis gorakebTan iyo, dRes ki

dRevandeli baTumis teritoria

mdinare Woroxis nataniTaa mozvinuli.

zRva sul iwevs pozicieb-

nodar CxeiZe:

`Sav zRvas

saswrafo

Svela

sWirdeba~

`qronika+~-is eqskluzivi

is dasabruneblad da angrevs napirebs,

radgan ar aqvs „sakvebi”.

bolo naxevari saukunis ganmavlobaSi

zRva kaxaber-adliis teritoriaze

Sevida 500-600 metriT xmeleTis

siRrmeSi, Sesabamisad, ba-

Tummac dakarga mniSvnelovani

teritoriebi.

_ romeli teritoriebi dakar-

ga? baTumi TiTqos igive arealSi

arsebobs?

ara, Cemo kargo! burun Tabies

koncxi, faqtobrivad, aRar arsebobs.

amitomac migvaCnia, rom

`saxlebisa da korpusebis gamalebuli

mSenebloba rom midis, sufTa da usafrTxo

zRva aravis unda?! es zRva dRes safrTxis

Semcvelia Cveni janmrTelobisTvis. zRvis wyali

sarfi-baTumi-qobuleTis monakveTze

navTobproduqtebiTa da sxva qimiuri

naerTebiT kviraSi erTxel mainc binZurdeba,

romlis gawmenda ZviradRirebuli siamovnebaa.

navTobis laqis naxva zRvis zedapirze

damsveneblebisTvis ukve Sokis momgvreli aRar

aris - Cveulebriv movlenad iqca~

zRvis napirdacviT problemebs Tu

droze da seriozulad ar mivxedeT,

globaluri daTbobis Tanmdevi

tendeciebis gaTvaliswinebiT,

es procesebi Seuqcevadi gaxdeba

da 60-80 wlis Semdeg Savi zRvis

talRebi, SesaZlebelia, dRevandel

WavWavaZis quCaze vixiloT.

_ anu baTumis naxevari wylis

qveS aRmoCndeba?

_ ki batono! Savi zRvis ekologiuri

problemebi ara marto napirebis

warecxvasTanaa dakavSirebuli.

Savi zRva iTvleba daxurul

zRvad, sadac zedapiridan 150-200

metris siRrmeSi is mkvdaria gogirdwyalbadis

didi raodenobiT

Semcvelobis gamo (0,7-1 mg/l). amas

daamateT is, rom praqtikulad

eqvsi saxelmwifo barbarosul

eqsploatacias uwevs mas. mravali

evropuli saxelmwifos, kerZod,

mdinare dunais meSveobiT, Savi

zRva biologiurad da qimiurad

dabinZurebuli Camdinare wylebis

„sawyobad” iqca, ganadgurebis pirasaa

zRvis flora da fauna Sav

zRvas saswrafo Svela sWirdeba.

_ baTumis gamwmendi nagebobis

agebis miuxedavad, baTumi-qobuleTis

SemogarenSi zRva biologiurad

mainc yvelaze dabin-

Zurebulad iTvleba?

_ baTumis gamwmendi nageboba

lokalur problemas sanaxevrod

xsnis, magram zRvis dineba TurqeTidan

saqarTvelosken aris gabatonebuli,

TurqeTs ki Savi zRvis

qalaqebSi gamwmendi nagebobebi ar

aqvs da mTeli Camdinare wylebi

(fekaluri masebi) baTumisken moedineba.

aseTi ekologiuri problemebis

arsebobis gamo baTumiqobuleTis

rekreaciuli zolis e.

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aWaris mTavroba

w. plaJebis gamoyeneba turizmis

ganviTarebisTvis kiTxvis niSnis

qveS dgeba. vinaidan zRvis wyali

ver akmayofilebs sanitariul normebs,

ar arsebobs dRe, rom Savi

zRvis wylis dabinZureba muclis

CxirebiT normaSi jdebodes. misi

maCvenebelia kolititri, romelic

ar unda aRematebodes 3 er-

Teuls, sinamdvileSi ki, roca ar

unda gasinjoT, saSualod 3-7-jer

metia. rac Seexeba saerTo biologiuri

dabinZurebis maCvenebel

koliindeqss, aTi aTasi erTeulis

nacvlad saSualod 200-500 aTasi

da metia, xolo calkeul dReebSi

3 milion erTeulamdec adis.

_ es xom katastrofaa?

_ mere, vis ainteresebs es

katastrofa? iciT, ra mikvirs _

saxlebisa da korpusebis gamalebuli

mSenebloba rom midis, suf-

Ta da usafrTxo zRva aravis

unda?! es zRva dRes safrTxis Semcvelia

Cveni janmrTelobisTvis.

zRvis wyali sarfi-baTumi-qobuleTis

monakveTze navTobproduqtebiTa

da sxva qimiuri naerTebiT

kviraSi erTxel mainc binZurdeba,

romlis gawmenda ZviradRirebuli

siamovnebaa. navTobis

laqis naxva zRvis zedapirze damsveneblebisTvis

ukve Sokis momgvreli

aRar aris _ Cveulebriv

movlenad iqca.

_ gamosavali ra aris?

_ aucilebelia mini da saSualo

gamwmendi nagebobebis mSenebloba

saqarTvelos aRniSnul sanapiro

zolze, romlebic nawilobriv moxsnis

problemas, xolo TurqeTis

mTavrobas moeTxovos saerTa-

Soriso konvenciebis ucilobeli

Sesruleba, risTvisac yvela saer-

TaSoriso resursi unda gamoviyenoT.

aq xom marto zRvaze ar aris

saubari. es procesi avtomaturad

aisaxeba atmosferul movlenebze.

dRes baTumisTvis did ekologiur

problemas warmoadgens haeris

mdgomareoba. is erT-erTi im qalaqTagania,

romelSic Zalian cudi

bunebrivi ventilaciaa, gamowveuli

imiT, rom mas sami mxridan mTebi

akravs. radganac bunebrivi ventilacia

ar aris, saWiroa maqsimalurad

gamoviyenoT is mcire SesaZlebloba,

romelsac qalaqis Zalian

kargi istoriuli dagegmareba gva-

Zlevs. kerZod, me-19 saukunis bolos

da me-20 saukunis dasawyisSi

baTumis ganviTarebisa da ganaSenianebis

gegmaSi gaTvaliswinebuli

iyo qalaqis bunebrivi mdgomareoba

da qalaqi daigegma ise, rom Ti-

Tqmis yvela quCas zRvasTan hqonoda

Tavisufali sivrculi „urTierToba”,

anu misasvleli. garda

amisa, qalaqis ganaSenianebaSi Cadebuli

iyo is, rom yofiliyo maqsimalurad

dabalsarTuliani qalaqi,

riTic miiRweoda maqsimaluri bunebrivi

aeracia.

_ dRes baTumi caTambjenebis

qalaqad iqca.

_ ra gvaqvs axla? Tu baTumis

mSeneblobis bumi ase gauazrebeli

da araprofesiuli midgomebiT

gagrZelda, globaluri daTbobis

fonze qalaqs ekologiuri kolafsi

elis, rac gamoxatuli iqneba

qalaqis saSualo temperaturis

zrdiT. qalaqs haeris ventilacia

sWirdeba ara marto gagrilebisTvis,

aramed haeris Semadgenlobis

mudmivi ganaxlebisTvis. didi

albaTobiT vityviT, rom qalaqis

haeris Semadgeneli mavne airebi,

maT Soris CO, CO2 dasaSvebze meti

iqneba ramdenjerme. aqve isic unda

iTqvas, rom qalaqs ar aqvs haeris

Semadgenlobis analizis avtomaturi

sadguri „daraji”, romelic

uwyvet reJimSi afiqsirebs haeris

temperaturas, wnevas, fardobiT

sinestes, mis qimiur Semadgenlobas

gansazRvravs haeris daaxloebiT

30-40 parametrs garda haeris

parametrebisa, igi zomavs xmauris

fonis sidides ganTavsebis adgilze.

ar gvaqvs dRes es Cven.

_ adre gvqonda?

_ ra Tqma unda _ am 20-25 wlis

winaT baTumSi aseTi „daraji” sadguri

3-4 adgilas iyo ganTavsebuli.

Tu Cven gvaqvs pretenzia, viyoT

turistuli qalaqi, maSin miuxedavad

imisa, rom aseTi sadgurebi

Zviri siamovnebaa, ramdenime

kompleqti mainc aris SesaZeni

qalaqis sxvadasxva adgilas gansaTavseblad.

Tu arada, Tuki ase-

Ti mavne da gauazrebeli tendenciebi

gagrZeldeba, baTumisadmi

investiciuri interesebi Semcirdeba.

aseve, rogorc zafxulis Zalian

gadaxurebuli qalaqis imijis

mqones, Seumcirdeba turistuli

funqcia, xolo mcxovreblebi iZulebuli

iqnebian, datovon qalaqi.

_ batono nodar, weRan gamo-

savalze gkiTxeT...

_ es rom ar moxdes, saswrafod

saWiroa Sewydes zRvispiris maRali

saxlebiT gadatvirTva aRar

unda gaices, mcire gamonaklisebis

garda, maRali saxlebis mSeneblobis

nebarTva qalaqis zRvispira

zolSi, minimum, dRevandel

farnavaz mefis quCamde.

_ faqtia, rom caTambjenebis

mSeneblobas am regionSi veravin

SeaCerebs.

_ 2004 wlis Semdeg baTumSi axalaSenebuli

saxlebis 95%-i,

ekologiuri TvalsazrisiT, sacxovreblad

uvargisia: masSi ar aris

gaTvaliswinebuli seismuri mdgradoba,

arada baTumi 7-8 magnitudis

seismur zonas ganekuTvneba,

xmisa da Tboizolacia, Sida dagegmareba

ar Seesabameba Tanamedrove

ekologiur moTxovnebs, xolo arqiteqturulad

usaxoa. gansaku-

TrebiT mniSvnelovania qalaqisTvis

arqiteqturis ekologizacia,

radgan es aris erT-erTi sa-

Sualeba adamianisTvis misi saxlis

sivrculi organizaciisa. arqiteqtura

ZiriTadi formaa gaadamianebuli

bunebis Seqmnisa. baTumis

arqiteqtorebis nakli swored es

aris, rom ar iTvaliswineben Tavisi

ZiriTadi specialobis anbans da

qmnian yovlad usaxur, ekologiurad

gamousadegar arqiteqturul

garemos, rogorc esTeTikuri

TvalsazrisiT, ise sacxovrisiT.

„kiotos protokolis” Tanaxmad,

romelsac iaponiaSi moewera xeli,

baTums aRebuli aqvs valdebuleba,

20% Seamciros (gaurkvevelia,

rasTan SedarebiT) siTbos gamoyofis

raodenoba, magram rogor?

roca mSeneblebi ar icaven Tboizolaciis

elementarul moTxovnebs

da vRebulobT ara siTbos moxmarebis

Semcirebas, aramed matebas.

zamTarSi meti siTboa saWiro,

xolo zafxulSi _ meti gagrileba.

_ „kiotos protokolis” Sesax-

eb, marTali giTxraT, pirvelad

mesmis.

_ xmauris TvalsazrisiT baTumi

mogvagonebs ufro aerodroms,

vinaidan xmauri Sin da gareT erTnairia.

gansakuTrebiT qalaqis im

nawilis quCebi, romlebsac rekonstruqcia

CautardaT. qalaqis qu-

Cis xmauris foni dRisiT ar unda

aRematebodes 40 decibels, intensiuri

avtomobilebis moZraobisas

ki gvaqvs 60-80 decibeli, imisda

mixedviT, Tu ra siCqariT

moZraobs esa Tu is avtomobili.

RamiT qalaqis xmauris foni unda

iyos 20-25 decibeli. aRarafers

vambobT im raionze, sadac bulvaria

ganTavsebuli Ramis qalaqis

xmauris fonis mudmivi ignorirebaa

gabatonebuli. RamiT xmauri

aRwevs 50-60 decibelamde.

_ ki magram, es xom kanoniT

akrZalulia?

_ kanonis mixedviT, saWiroa avtotransportis

moZraobis raodenobrivi

da organizaciuli daregulireba.

qalaqis farglebSi siCqareebis

mkveTri SezRudva 40kmmde,

rac, erTi mxriv, gaaumjobesebs

qalaqis haeris xarisxs da,

meore mxriv, xmauris foni Cajdeba

normis farglebSi. am kanons,

samwuxarod, aravin icavs. aseve

aucileblad unda mowesrigdes

qalaqSi avtosamrecxaoebisa da avtosaremonto

saxelosnoebis lokaluri,

Camdinare wylebis gamwmendi

mowyobilobebiT uzrunvelyofa.

didi ekologiuri riskebis

qveS ayenebs qalaqis mcxovreblebs

bunebrivi airis saxlebTan miyvana

da binebSi ganawileba, romelic

xdeba samSeneblo normebisa da

wesebis absoluturi ignorirebiT.

bunebrivi sawvavi airi binebamde

miewodebaT kibis ujredebis saSualebiT,

rac dauSvebelia msoflioSi

arsebuli yvela normiT da

wesiT.

_ msgavsi faqtebi TbilisSic

uxvad gvaqvs.

_ airis sistemebis kibis ujred-

Si ganTavsebiT mSenebeli mosaxleobas

Seyovnebuli moqmedebis

naRms sTavazobs. kibis ujredi

aris mcxovreblebis evakuaciis

erTaderTi saSualeba sxvadasxva

saxis katastrofis dros: xanZari,

miwisZvra, teroristuli aqti da

sxv. bunebrivi airisa da wyalgayvanilobis

milebiTa da mricxvelebiT

gadaWedili kibis ujredi

evakuaciisTvis ver gamodgeba,

vinaidan aseT SemTxvevaSi didia

albaToba, rom xanZarma moicvas

bunebrivi airis milebiT daqselili

kibis ujredi. Tavi rom davaneboT

yovelgvar avariebs, es ar

aris esTeTikuri da saproeqto

organizaciebisa da arqiteqtorebis

dabal kvalifikaciaze migvaniSnebs,

rom araferi vTqvaT

qalaqis zedamxedvelobis samsaxurebis

ususurobasa da upasuxismgeblobaze.

_ CamogviTvaleT baTumis

ekologiurad yvelaze mouwes-

rigebeli ubnebi...

_ ekologiurad mowesrigebis

prioritetebi unda gaxdes Waobis

ubnis, barcxanis, Tamaris dasaxlebis,

„gorodokisa” da sxva mouwyobel

ubnebSi ekologiurad usafrTxo

garemos Seqmna. am ubnebSi

ar arsebobs didi baRebi da

skverebi, naklebadaa gamwvaneba,

xolo is, rac aris, praqtikulad,

mouwyobeli da mouvlelia. am ubnebSi

ar mimdinareobs mSeneblobebi,

rac metad savalaloa. qalaqis

Semdgomi ganviTarebisTvis qalaqis

xelisuflebam am problemis

mogvareba unda SeZlos investorisTvis

sxvadasxva SeRavaTis

dawesebiT, maT Soris, qalaqisTvis

dabali kategoriis sastumroebis

mSeneblobis (aRarafers vambobT

sacxovrebel saxlebze) waxalisebiT.

es iqneba masobrivi, anu ara

elituri turizmis ganviTarebis

metad mniSvnelovani safexuri.

aseTi midgomebi am ubnebs gaxdis

ekologiurad mimzidvelsa da ganviTarebisTvis

perspeqtiuls.

_ sxvaTa Soris, Tqven Zalian

saintereso sakiTxi wamoWeriT _

enis ekologiis.

_ ekologiis erT-erT mTavar

mimarTuleba, swored, enis ekologiaa.

enis sisufTave gansazRvravs

eris identobas, saxelmwifos stabilurad

da mizanmimarTulad ganviTarebas

erovnul fuZeze. es

aris dauwereli da dawerili kanoni

erovnuli saxelmwifos (kargi

gagebiT) identobis, misi konstituciuri

usafrTxoebis mTavari

garanti. amitomac enis sisufTaves,

mis ganviTarebasa da sayovelTao

dacvas eniWeba uaRresad

didi mniSvneloba. saqarTvelos

parlaments miiRebuli aqvs Sesabamisi

kanoni qarTuli enis dacvisa

da ganviTarebis Sesaxeb.

_ rogori ekologiuri mdgo-

mareobaa baTumSi qarTuli enis

dacvis TvalsazrisiT?

_ Zalian cudi! daviwyebT imiT,

rom ena gaivso sxvadasxva enebidan

motanili da Zalad Canergili sityvebiT,

TiTqos analogiuri mniSvnelobis

sityvebi qarTulSi ar

iyos. barbarizmi enis iseTi avadmyofobaa,

romelic gansakuTrebiT

azianebs bavSvebsa da axalgazrdebs.

am TaobebSi Semosuli, jer

rogorc moduri sityva, xolo

Semdeg rogorc yoveldRiuri moxmarebis

mniSvnelobiT, azianebs

saxelmwifo enis leqsikasa da

struqturas. saubedurod, enis siwmindis

dacva visac evaleba, isinic

Zalian scodaven, mxedvelobaSi

gvaqvs presa, radio, televizia,

aranakleb scodaven axalgazrda

mwerlebi, poetebi da publicistebi.

qarTul enas qalaqSi patroni

ar hyavs. es iqedan Cans, rom Cvens

sinamdvileSic ki igi Zlieraa danagvianebuli.

Cvens qalaqSi isic

ikadres, rom maRaziebs, sxva sava-

Wro Tu sayofacxovrebo obieqtebis,

firmebis umravles nawils mxolod

ucxo enaze aqvs warwerebi.

sxva SemTxvevaSi qarTuli warwera

sadRac kuTxeSia migdebuli. „samsungi”,

„mersedesi” da sxva msoflioSi

cnobili firmebi gasagebia,

rogorc unda daiweros, magram ra

aris an ras niSnavs „san-saCino” an

kidev „san-marino” da mravali

sxva? aseT SemTxvevebSi qarTvelebTan

erTad scodaven ucxoeli

biznesmenebi. droa, baTumis sakrebulom

da meriam yuradReba miaqcios

qarTuli simboloebis _ enis,

droSisa da gerbis sworad, kanonis

Sesabamisad gamoyenebas. Tu ba-

Tumis mcxovrebTaTvis, qalaqis xelmZRvanelobisTvis

qalaqze zrunva

cxovrebis wesad ar iqca, araferi

gamogviva. amas saTanado ganaTleba

sWirdeba da mosaxleobis

ekologiuri TviTSegnebis, codnis

amaRlebis gareSe esSeuZlebelia.

arada ar gvyavs specialistebi, ar

gvaqvs swavleba, saTanado literatura.

Sesabamisad, qalaqSi ar arsebobs

ekologiuri samsaxuri,

profesionalebiT dakompleqtebuli

zedamxedvelobis samsaxuri,

romelic mowodebuli unda iyos

ekologiuri problemebis mosagvareblad.

kargi iqneba, Tu aWaris

xelisufleba, qalaqis meriasTan

erTad, zogadi ekologiuri ganaTlebis

savaldebulo swavlebas

SemoiRebs skolebSi. amiT SesaZlebeli

gaxdeba mravali ekologiuri

problemis mogvareba minimaluri

danaxarjebiT.

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òcnebis~ maJoritarobis kandidatebisa

„ocnebis” erT-erT saxes, gia

giorgi abaSiZe

volskis, romelic mmarTvelma

partiam didube-CuRureTis ma-

Joritarobis kandidatad waradgina, amomrCevelTan Sexvedri-

sas iseT konkurentebze, rogorebic zurab jafariZe da ana

doliZe gaxlavan, uTqvams, egeni warsulis politikosebi ari-

an, Cven ki _ momavliso. ho, Tqveni ar iyos, Tavdapirvelad

mec vifiqre, momesma-meTqi da adamians, vinc es ambavi momiy-

va, CavekiTxe, volskim Tqva doliZe-jafariZeze, warsulis

politikosebi ariano, Tu jafariZe-doliZem Tqves volskize-

meTqi? Tanamosaubrem almacerad Semomxeda, jer srul Wkuaze

var da kargad vici, rasac vambobo. mec, meti ra gza mqonda,

lamis davijere, rom volski saqarTvelos momavalia.

saerTod, Tu davakvirdebiT,

aseTi momavali „qarTuli ocnebis”

maJoritarul Tu proporciul

stafSi zomaze bevria. ai, magaliTad,

mamuka mdinaraZe da

TviT irakli kobaxiZec „momavlis

politikosebi” arian, Tan, albaT,

yuradReba miaqcieT, kobaxiZem,

romlis kululian kiserzec

gavrilovis sisxliani Ramea, sakuTari

Tavi mesamenomrad rogor

amayad waradgina, Tumca paTetikas

moveSvaT da saqmeze gadavideT,

anu igive mediasa da sxva sajaro

sivrceSi gaJRerebuli informaciebis

mixedviT, detalurad

gavarkvioT, „ocnebis” proporciuli

oceuli visganaa dakompleqtebuli

da aseve vin arian

is maJoritarebi, romlebic

mmarTvelma gundma ama Tu im

olqSi waradgina?

daviwyoT imiT, rom „ocnebis”

saparlamento siis oceulSi

xuTi qalia, Tumca am xuTi diacidan

yvelaze saintereso Tea

wulukiania, romelic proporciul

siaSi, sportuli komentatorebis

enaze rom vTqvaT, me-4

nomradaa ganTesili. sxvaTa

Soris, wulukianis wardgenisas

kobaxiZem mravalmniSvnelovnad

gausva xazi, rom is erTaderTia,

romelic rva weli, anu mas Semdeg,

rac ivaniSvilis gundi xelisuflebaSi

movida, ministris

savarZels ucvlelad ikavebs.

riT daimsaxura wulukianma

ivaniSvilis aseTi ndoba? amis

sababi SeiZleba, is iyos, rom wulukianma,

Tavis droze, im adamians

uRalata, vinc igi qarTul

politikaSi moiyvana. vgulisxmobT

irakli alasanias. Ralati

ki imaSi gamoixateboda, rom wulukianma,

sxva „Tavisufali

demokratebis” msgavsad, „ocnebis”

koalicia ar datova. maSin

iTqva, rom is ministris savar-

Zels ver Seelia, anu erT xans,

Turme, apirebda, rom „ocnebas”

alasaniasTan erTad gamijvnoda

da brifingic ki CaniSna, magram

sanam mediasTan gamoCndeboda,

gadawyvetileba Secvala. aqve

imasac gagaxsenebT, rom es brifingi

ramdenjerme gadaido da

bolos, qalbatonma Team gvamcno,

arsadac mivdivar da kvlav „ocnebis”

mecixovned vrCebio.

Tea wulukiani is subieqtia,

romelic wina xelisuflebis mimarT

gansakuTrebulad mwvave

gancxadebebiTa da SefasebebiT

gamoirCeva. ase, magaliTad, amas

winaT saqarTvelos mesame prezidents

wvrilmani kriminalic

uwoda da dasZina, amaze laparakiT

daviRaleo. arada, iyo dro,

roca „nacebi” Teas TanamSromlobas

sTavazobdnen, Tumca ucnobia,

es kolaboracia ratom ar

Sedga? samagierod, iusticiis

ministrs kolaboracia kargad

gamouvida „Sav samyarosTan”, anu

ramdenime wlis win socialur

mediaSi fotoebi gavrcelda,

romelzedac qalbatoni wulukiani

„kanonier qurdebTan” er-

Tadaa aRbeWdili. isic Zveli

„operidanaa”, 2012-Si naZaladev-

Si misi, rogorc maJoritarobis

kandidatis gamarjveba swored

„Savma klasterma” rom uzrunvelyo.

zogadad, wulukianis „Sav

dosieze” saubari dausruleblad

SeiZleba, Tumca yuradRebas mxolod

erT detalzeRa gavamaxvilebT,

anu „ocnebis” proporciuli

siis meoTxe nomris oficialur

biografiaSi weria, rom

TbilisSi daibada 1982 wels, safrangeTSi,

lionis amperis saxelobis

liceumi daamTavra, Semdeg

ki swavla Tbilisis saxelmwifo

universitetis saerTaSoriso

samarTlisa da saerTaSoriso

urTierTobebis fakultetze ganagrZo,

romelsac 1997 wels

amTavrebs. 2000-Si ki safrangeTis

saxelmwifo marTvis skolaSi,

sajaro administraciaSi magistris

xarisxs icavs, Tumca ministri

gaxda Tu ara, opoziciam

gaarkvia, rom wulukiani udiplomo

iyo, anu im diplomiT, romelic

mas aqvs, ar SeeZlo, iusticiis

ministris posti daekavebina,

Tumca „ocnebam” qva aagdo da

Tavi SeuSvira, e. i., wulukianis

udiplomoba ar SeimCnia.

aqve imasac getyviT, rom wulukians

meuRle da erTi qaliSvili

meriko hyavs. misi qmari,

nugzar kakulia, saqarTvelos

iusticiis saswavlo centrs xelmZRvanelobda,

Tumca mas mere,

rac ministris Tanamecxedre gaxda,

es Tanamdeboba datova da

susSi gadainacvla .

„ocnebis” proporciuli siis

merve nomeric mandilosania _

mariam qvriviSvils bolo wuTamde

ekonomikisa da mdgradi gan-

viTarebis saministros ssip

„saqarTvelos turizmis erovnuli

administraciis” xelmZR-

vanelis posti ekava. mariam qvriviSvili

30 wlisaa. hyavs meuRle

oTar beriSvili, romelic

okupirebuli afxazeTidan devnilia.

qvriviSvili sazogadoebisTvis

imdenad ucnobi saxea, rom

masze sajaro sivrceSi arc cudi

ratom ver eleva

ivaniSvili wulukiani-

kobaxiZe-mdinaraZes da

maJoritarobis

kandidatebidan vin

ramdeni Seswira

mmarTvel partias?

òcnebis~ Semomwirveli

maJoritarobis kandidatebi arian:

beqa odiSaria, giorgi volski, levan

kobiaSvili, gogi meSveliani, zaal

duglaZe, samvel manukiani, paata

kviJinaZe, beJan waqaZe, givi WiWinaZe,

zaza lominaZe, irakli xaxubia,

irakli Ciqovani da anzor bolqvaZe~

informacia iZebneba da arc _

kargi. ufro sworad, qvriSvilis

Sesaxeb Cven, moqalaqeebma, koronis

pirveli talRis dros gavigeT,

roca sastumroebi sakarantino

sivrceebad gadakeTda.

ise, qalbatonma qvriviSilma

„ocnebis” siaSi CasmiT, rogorc

ityvian, Tavs uSvela _ koronobis

gamo am qveyanaSi, mTeli

msoflios msgavsad, turizmi

karga xans veRar aRorZindeba.

hoda, isec SeiZleba momxdariyo,

rom turizmis departamenti

gauqmebuliyo. axla ki departamentic

da mTeli turizmic

Wirsac wauRia _ qalbaton mariams

mxolod deputatoba ki ara,

mTeli cxovreba deputatis pensiac

garantirebuli aqvs!

rac Seexeba „ocnebis” oceu-

lis meaTe wevr qalbatons, maia

biTaZe pirwavardnili kalaZis

kadria. zogadad, xma dadis, rom

„ocnebis” oceuli kalaZe-kobaxiZis

klasterma Seadgina.

axla, es, SesaZloa, moaruli

informaciaa da meti araferi,

magram Tu gavixsenebT, rom am

oceulSi ori sportsmenia _

kalaTburTeli sanikiZe da moragbe

kaWarava, maSin gamova, rom

oceulis ustabaSi „namdvilad”

kalaZea. am xmas isic aZlierebs,

rom sxvadasxva wyaros monacemiT,

„ocnebaSi” sportsmenebTan situaciis

dalageba, Tvisi sportuli,

e. i., avtogolebis warsulidan

gamomdinare, swored Tbilisis

mers aqvs davalebuli.

sityvam moitana da sanikiZe-

kaWaravaze cota meti vTqvaT:

daviwyoT daviT kaWaravaTi,

romelmac saragbo kariera ramdenime

dRis win daasrula da,

rogorc aRmoCnda, swored imitom,

rom politikaSi ecada bedi.

sxvaTa Soris, arcTu didi xnis

winaT kaWaravam erT-erT gadacemaSi

ar gamoricxa, rom kariera

SesaZloa, ruseTSi gaegrZelebina.

„SesaZloa, ruseTSi wavide. Tu

es sirTuleebi gagrZelda, es

karieris dasasrulic iqneba”, _

Tqva maSin gapolitikosebulma

moragbem.

„sportsa da politikas yovelTvis

vmjinavdi”, _ am sityvebis

avtori ki saqarTvelos erovnu-

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da proporciuli oceulis Savi dosie

li nakrebis yofili kalaTbur-

Teli, viqtor sanikiZea. sanikiZe

im sportsmenebs Sorisaa, romelic

2020 wels Tornike Sengelias

rusuli armiis sakalaTburTo

klubSi gadasvliT gaxarebuli

iyo da ambobda:

„Sengelias cska-Si gadasvla

Zalian maxarebs. yovelTvis gamo-

Cndebian adamianebi, romlebic

sportsa da politikaSi ver

erkvevian. maTTvis sasiamovnoa

sxvisi kritika da Seuracxyofa”.

ise, sanikiZesa da kaWaravas

garda „ocnebas” gapolitikosebuli

sportsmenebi blomad hyavs.

ai, magaliTad, kobiaSvili da

yavelaSvili. es orive eqssportsmeni

dRes moqmedi deputati

da aseve maJoritarobis kandidatia:

erTi _ gldanSi, meore ki _

naZaladevSi.

axla ki isev maia biTaZes da-

igi „ocnebis” imedis momcemi saxea.

„ocnebis” proporciuli oceulis

me-14 nomeri maka boWoriSvilia,

me-19 ki _ mariam laSxia,

Tumca es ori diaci imdenad ucnobia,

rom maTze msjeloba,

ubralod, drois dakargva iqneba

da meti araferi.

aseve, praqtikulad, ucnobia

„oceulSi” Semaval mamakacTa umravlesobac

da „ocnebac” swored

amiT iwonebs Tavs, ai, asparezs

axal saxeebs vuTmobo. keTili da

patiosani, magram ori Zveli saxe

_ kobaxiZe da mdinaraZe _ iseTi

odiozuria, mmarTveli gundis

proporciuli siis mxolod oceuls

ki ara, asoceulsac wonis.

ise, albaT, yvelas ainteresebs,

ratom ver eleva „ocneba”

kobaxiZes an, Tundac, mdinaraZes?

vinc am or subieqts kargad

datebis naxevarze meti, anu 30-

dan 19 samewarmeo saqmianobaSia

CarTuli. ufro konkretulad,

samewarmeo saqmianobas 17 kandidati

Tavad an misi ojaxis romelime

wevri eweva. amave kvlevis

Tanaxmad, es 19 kandidati, sxvadasxva

formiT, jamurad, 186 kompaniasTanaa

dakavSirebuli.

garda amisa, arasamTavrobo

organizaciam gaarkvia, rom ma-

Joritarobis 30 kandidatidan

ToTxmeti 2012-20 wlebSi „qarTuli

ocnebis” Semomwirveli iyo da

maT „ocnebas”, saerTo jamSi, 740

826 lari Seswires.

ufro rom CavuRrmavdeT, „ocnebis”

Semomwirveli maJoritarobis

kandidatebi arian: beqa

odiSaria, giorgi volski, levan

kobiaSvili, gogi meSveliani,

zaal duglaZe, samvel manukiani,

paata kviJinaZe, beJan waqaZe, givi

beqa odiSaria, zaal duglaZe,

zaza lominaZe da irakli xaxubia

saxelmwifo qonebis privatizaciaSi

aqvT monawileoba miRebuli:

2013-2020 wlebSi maT an maTma

kompaniebma 758 300 larad Seisyides

saxelmwifo uZravi qoneba,

2 210 000 larad ki _ saxelmwifo

sawarmoebis wilebi.

ori kandidatis SemTxvevaSi

(daviT sonRulaSvili da irakli

xaxubia), maTTan dakavSirebul

kompanias saxelmwifo dafinanseba

aqvs miRebuli programa „awarmoe

saqarTveloSi” farglebSi

(mTliani investicia Seadgens 12

646 900 lars).

maJoritarobis 30 kandidatidan

6 ar eweva samewarmeo saqmianobas

da ar ganuxorcielebia

politikuri Semowiruloba. eseni

arian: sozar subari, nodar

turZelaZe, daviT sergeenko,

marTvaze. eseni arian: levan kobiaSvili,

daviT sonRulaSvili,

samvel manukiani, irakli xaxubia

da irakli qadagiSvili”, _ naTqvamia

„saerTaSoriso gamWvirvaloba

_ saqarTvelos” mier momzadebul

angariSSi da iqve aRniSnulia,

rom arasamTvrobo organizacia

moklebulia SesaZleblobas,

Seamowmos, aris Tu ara

kvlevaSi naxsenebi kompaniebi aqtiuri,

radgan am miznisTvis

saWiro informacia sagadasaxado

saidumloebas warmoadgens.

ise, albaT, yuradReba miaqcieT,

rom „ocnebam” 30-ve samaJoritaro

olqSi kandidatad, ubralod,

Zveli ki ara, Zalian Zveli,

anu xalxurad rom vTqvaT, damwnilebuli

tipebi waradgina. ai,

magaliTad, irakli qadagiSvili

politikaSi lamis imdeni xania,

ramdeni wlisacaa _ misi karieria,

vubrundeT, romelsac „ocnebis”

xelisuflebaSi jer garemos

dacvis ministris moadgilis posti

ekava, mere, rogorc ki kalaZe

meri gaxda, moadgiled waiyvana

da, rogorc amboben, bevri proeqti,

romelmac Tbiliselebs sicocxle

gaumwara, swored bi-

TaZis fantaziis nayofia. asea Tu

ise, biTaZesac, qvriviSvilisa ar

iyos, Tavi qudSi aqvs _ deputati

uciloblad gaxdeba da SeiZleba,

oTxi wlis Semdeg sazogadoebas

misi arsebobac aRar axsovdes,

samagierod, deputatis pensias

sicocxlis bolomde miiRebs.

sxvaTa Soris, rogorc bevr

sxva „qocs”, biTaZesac „nacionaluri”

warsuli aqvs, anu irkveva,

rom im dros, roca wina xelisufleba

qveyanas cecxliTa da maxviliT

marTavda, qalbaton biTaZes

imdroindeli usamarTloba

odnavadac ar aRelvebda da jer

parlamentis garemos dacvisa da

bunebrivi resursebis komitetis

aparatis mTavar specialistad

udrtvinvelad muSaobda, Semdeg

_ garemosa da bunebrivi resursebis

dacvis saministroSi iuridiuli

departamentis ufrosad.

amasobaSi xelisuflebac Seicvala

da, rogorc xdeba xolme,

biTaZec „gaqocda” da dRes ukve

icnobs, ambobs, rom kobaxiZec da

mdinaraZec pirwavardnili karieristebi

arian da oRond „didebis

olimpoze” idgnen da mzad

arian, nebismier davalebasa da

brZanebas moaweron xeli. mor-

Cili da usityvo Semsruleblebi

ki yvela drosa da epoqaSi yvela

tipis mmarTvelsa da mmarTvelobas

sWirdeba.

axla, rac Seexeba „ocnebis”

maJoritarobis kandidatebs:

am mxriv saqme gacilebiT mZimedaa

da Tundac imitom, rom ai,

magaliTad, mTawminda-krwanisis

kandidati, beqa odiSaria,

romelic amjerad krwanisis ma-

Joritaria, Tavs imiT iwonebs,

rom sami TaobiT mTawmindelia.

imaze ki aRarafers ambobs, rom,

Tavis droze, vano CxartiSvilis

klasteris wevri iyo da mere „nacionalebTanac”

megobrobda.

„nacebTan” megobrobaSi sxva „qocebic”

arian eWvmitanilni, Tumca

amjerad „ocnebis” maJoritarobis

kandidatebis biznesinteresebsa

da maT mier ganxorcielebul

politikur Semowir-

ulebebs gagacnobT, romelic

„saerTaSoriso gamWvirvaloba-

saqarTvelom” Seiswavla da

gaarkvia: maJoritarobis kandi-

WiWinaZe, zaza lominaZe, irakli

xaxubia, irakli Ciqovani da anzor

bolqvaZe.

amasTan, aRsaniSnavia, rom samewarmeo

saqmianobiT dakavebuli

maJoritarobis kandidatTa biznespartniorebic

msxvili politikuri

Semomwirvelebi arian.

„mTlianobaSi, maJoritarobis

kandidatebma, maTma ojaxis wevrebma

da biznespartniorebma 2012-

2020 wlebSi „qarTul ocnebas” 3

702 826 lari Seswires”, _ vkiTxulobT

„gamWvirvalobis” kvleva-

Si, saidanac aseve vigebT, rom ma-

Joritari kandidatebidan „ocnebas”

yvelaze meti Seswires: zaal

duglaZem 990 000 lari; irakli

xaxubiam _ 458 000 lari, daviT

sonRulaSvilma 340 000 lari

da beJan waqaZem 320 000 lari.

„samewarmeo saqmianobiT dakavebul

maJoritarobis 8 kandidatTan

amJamad dakavSirebul

kompaniebs saxelmwifo Sesyidveb-

Si monawileobis istoria aqvT.

mTlianobaSi, 2012-2020 wlebSi,

tenderebiTa da gamartivebuli

Sesyidvebis gziT am kompaniebs

miRebuli aqvT 4 364 109 lari

(tenderi 623 450 l; gamartivebuli

Sesyidva 3,740,659 lari).

maJoritarobis ramdenime kandidats

_ daviT sonRulaSvili,

Salva kereseliZe, zaur dargali

da nino lacabiZe.

„qarTuli ocnebis” maJoritarobis

ramdenime kandidatma

2012 wels maSindel mmarTvel

partia „erTian nacionalur

moZraobas” Seswira Tanxa. eseni

arian: beqa odiSaria, daviT son-

RulaSvili, zaal duglaZe, irakli

xaxubia da anzor bolqvaZe.

30 maJoritari deputatobis

kandidatidan 17 moqmedi an yofili

Tanamdebobis piria, romlebsac

2019-20 wlebSi qonebrivi

deklaracia aqvT Sevsebuli.

maT mier Sevsebul bolo deklaraciebSi

Semdegi darRvevebi

gamovlinda:

maJoritari deputatobis 5

kandidats arasrulad an saer-

Tod ar aqvs deklarirebuli,

misi an/da ojaxis wevris sakuTrebaSi

arsebuli kompaniebi: daviT

sonRulaSvili, aleqsandre

mowerelia, anzor bolqvaZe, irakli

xaxubia da resan konceliZe.

ramdenime SemTxvevaSi Tanamdebobis

pirs kerZo kompaniaSi

arsebuli wili marTvis uflebiT

sxva pirisTvis ar gadaucia. garda

imisa, rom es kanondarRvevaa,

igi mianiSnebs imazec, rom am Tanamdebobis

pirebma formaluradac

ar Tqves uari maTi wilebis

jer kidev, gasul saukuneSi edpdan

daiwyo, mere irakli alasaniasTan

iyo da moulodnelad,

rogorc alasanias araerTi Tanagundeli,

„gaqocda” da kaxeTis

gubernatoradac dainiSna. Tavis

droze, e. i., SevardnaZis mmar-

Tvelobis dros ki. qadagiSvili

sabaJoze muSaobda.

aseve alasanias klasteris eqswevria

irakli Ciqovani, romelic,

jer kidev, 2016 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebis dros „ocnebas”

lamis cocxalsa da mkvdars

aginebda, magram axla mgznebare

„meocnebea”.

zogadad, „ocnebaSi” bevria

iseTi, romelic Tavis droze mi-

Sas apekuni iyo, magram dRes yofil

xelisuflebasa da prezidents

yvelaze metad swored ase-

Ti adamianebi agineben da im „9

welze” iseTi zizRiT laparakoben,

TiTqos Cven, maT garSemo myofebs,

masobrivi amnezia gvWirdes

da ar gvaxsovdes, vin rodis

da ras akeTebda, magram, albaT,

am adamianebsac unda gavugoT _

miliarderis wyalobis mopovebas

yvela Taviseburad cdilobs,

Tumca kargi iqneba, Tu imasac

gaixseneben, rom mze mxolod ki

ar aTbobs, aramed wvavs kidec...

N20 (322) 15.09-21.09.2020 w.

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kovid-19-isgan gamdidrebulebi da `qarTuli ocnebis~

aba, ra sargebloba moaqvs

Tamar rostiaSvili

COVID-19-s? magaliTad, im ko-

577 10 07 06

mpaniebisTvis, romlebic masobrivi

tragediisa da panaSvidebis

fonze gamdidrdnen? ratom? imitom rom, TiToeul maTgans

„qarTuli ocnebisa” da salome zurabiSvilsTvis soli-

duri Tanxebi aqvs Caricxuli Semowirulobis saxiT.

pandemiis meore talRis molodinSi

xelisufleba, ra Tqma unda,

gegmavs, kvlav am kompaniebs moagebinos

tenderi da gauformos maT

milioniani xelSekrulebebi, Tumca

saerTaSoriso da arasamTavrobo

organizaciebi pirveli talRis

dros gaTamaSebuli korufciuli

sqemis ganmeorebis SemTxvevaSi,

sasamarTlosTvis mimarTvas apireben.

„qronika+” aseve miiCnevs, rom

eri unda icnobdes Tavis „gmirebs”,

romlebic pandemias, savaraudod,

ise elodebian, rogorc Cvens _

axal wels. amisTvis ki sakuTar

jibes farTod Slian saxelisuflebo

klanis dasafinanseblad.

„qronika+” calke gamoyofs im

Sesyidvebs, romlebmac yuradReba

miiqcies sxvadasxva saeWvo garemoebis

gamo. ZiriTadad, es garemoebebi

mmarTveli partiisa da misi

saprezidento kandidatis, salome

zurabiSvilis Semomwirvelebis

saxelmwifo SesyidvebSi monawileobasTanaa

dakavSirebuli. „saerTa-

Soriso gamWvirvalobis” mier Seswavlili

kontraqtebidan gamovlinda,

rom „qarTuli ocnebis” SemomwirvelebTan

dakavSirebulma

25-ma kompaniam sagangebo mdgomareobis

dros gamartivebuli Sesyidvis

gziT jamurad 45 mln. laramde

Rirebulebis 68 kontraqti miiRo,

rac aRniSnul periodSi

pirdapiri SesyidvebiT daxarjuli

Tanxis 35%-ia. aRniSnuli 25 kompaniis

mflobelebma 2016-2020 wleb-

Si „qarTul ocnebas” jamurad 2,3

mln. larze meti Seswires.

romeli kompaniebia isini?

Sps „yvarlis edemi”, romlis

mflobelebma da direqtorma 2020

wlis 20 da 23 marts „qarTul ocnebas”

jamurad 65 000 lari

Seswires da ramdenime dReSi

saqarTvelos turizmis erovnuli

administraciisgan gamartivebuli

Sesyidvis gziT 277 300-lariani

kontraqti miiRes. sastumros 2013-

2019 wlebSi 400 000 laris Rirebulebis

gamartivebuli saxelmwifo

Sesyidvis kontraqtebi aqvs

gaformebuli, Tumca aqamde erTi

kontraqtiT maqsimum 76 000 lari

hqonda miRebuli.

Sps „yvarlis edemis” direqtorma,

aleqsandre maRraZem, 2020 wlis

20 marts „qarTul ocnebas” 5 000

lari Seswira. „qarTuli ocnebis”

Semomwirvelia Sps „yvarlis edemis”

50%-iani wilis mflobeli Sps

„zimoc”. kompaniis saxeliT 2019

wlis seqtemberSi „qarTul ocnebas”

100 000 lari Seswires. „qarTuli

ocnebisTvis” cal-calke aqvT

Sewiruli Tanxa „zimos” wilis

mflobelebsac. kerZod, mimdinare

wlis 20 marts Sps „zimos” direqtorma

da wilis mflobelma zurab

kiknaZem 25 000 lari Seswira, 2019

wlis maisSi ki _ 60 000 lari. kompaniis

wilis kidev erTma mflobelma,

ilia qavTaraZem, 2020 wlis

20 da 23 marts „qarTul ocnebas”

jamurad 13 000 lari Seswira. wilis

kidev erTma mflobelma levan

marSaniam 2020 wlis 23 marts

„qarTul ocnebas” 5 000 lari Seswira.

aseve wilis mflobelma gia

urotaZem 2020 wlis 20 da 23 marts

17,000 lari Seswira „qarTul ocnebas”.

am ukanasknels 2019 wlis

martSi 10 000 lari aqvs Sewiruli.

„yvarlis edemTan” dakavSirebul

pirebs 2019-2020 wlebSi „qarTul

ocnebisTvis” sul 235 000

lari aqvT Sewiruli. kompania „zimos”

ki 2012-2019 wlebSi pirdapiri

Sesyidvis gziT 19 mln. laris

Rirebulebis 49 kontraqti aqvs

saxelmwifo uwyebebTan gaformebuli.

aqve davZenT, rom Sps „zimo”

aqtiurad monawileobda biZina ivaniSvilis

xeebis gadatanaSi, xolo

saxelmwifo SesyidvebiT aRebul

valdebulebebs dagvianebiT asrulebda.

2013-2017 wlebSi sabiujeto

organizaciebsa da kompania

„zimos” Soris gaformebul 16 xelSekrulebaSi

cvlileba 65-jer

Sevida.

Sps „bakuriani inn”, Sps „rene-

sans konstraqSeni”, Sps „sastumro

gudauri inn”, Sps „sastumro iver-

ia in” _ saqarTvelos turizmis

erovnulma administraciam pirdapiri

Sesyidvis gziT kompania Sps

„bakuriani inns” sastumros sakarantino

sivrced gamoyenebis mizniT

21 marts 675 740 laris, xolo

19 maiss 257 072 laris Rirebulebis

kontraqti gauforma. jamurad

am kompaniam saxelmwifo SesyidvebiT

932 812 lari miiRo _ TiTqmis

miliardi lari.

3 marts da 12 maiss „sastumro

iveria inma” turizmis administraciisgan

pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT

jamurad 1,9 mln. laris Rirebulebis

ori kontraqti miiRo. 25

marts turizmis erovnuli administraciisgan

pirdapiri Sesyidvis

gziT Sps „renesans konstraqSenma”

88 740-lariani kontraqti miiRo.

aseve 13 marts turizmis administraciam


Sps „sastumro gudauri inns” sastumros

sakarantine sivrced

gamoyenebis mizniT 700 620-lariani,

xolo 12 maiss 176 246-lariani

kontraqti gauforma. jamurad kompaniam

saxelmwifo SesyidvebSi 876

866 lari miiRo.

aRniSnul oTx sastumros erTmaneTTan

is akavSirebs, rom oTxiveSi

garkveuli wilis mflobelia

paata kokaia, romelmac 2018 wlis

oqtomberSi salome zurabiSvils

55 000 lari Seswira.

sagangebo mdgomareobis dros

paata kokaias kuTvnilma sastumroebma

jamurad 3,8 mln. laramde

Rirebulebis kontraqtebi miiRes.

ss „T & r distribuSen” _ saxelmwifo

Sps-m „saxelmwifo kvebi-

Ti uzrunvelyofa” pirdapiri Sesyidvis

gziT, ss „T & r distribuSenidan”

200 000 laramde Rirebulebis

sigareti SeiZina. kontraqtebi

pirvel da 23 aprils

gaformda. 2015-2020 wlebSi aRniSnul

kompanias sul 875 000 laramde

jamuri Rirebulebis 15 kontraqti

aqvs miRebuli pirdapiri

saxelmwifo SesyidviT. ss „T & r

distribuSenis” sameTvalyureo sabWos

Tavmjdomare rafiel suramelaSvilma

2016-2017 wlebSi „qarTul

ocnebas” 105 000 lari Seswira,

kompaniis sabWos wevrma nika zau-

`25 marts turizmis erovnuli

administraciisgan pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT

Sps `renesans konstraqSenma~ 88 740-lariani

kontraqti miiRo. aseve 13 marts turizmis

administraciam pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT Sps

`sastumro gudauri inns~ sastumros

sakarantine sivrced gamoyenebis mizniT 700 620-

lariani, xolo 12 maiss 176 246-lariani

kontraqti gauforma. jamurad kompaniam

saxelmwifo SesyidvebSi 876 866 lari miiRo.

aRniSnul oTx sastumros erTmaneTTan is

akavSirebs, rom oTxiveSi garkveuli wilis

mflobelia paata kokaia, romelmac 2018 wlis

oqtomberSi salome zurabiSvils 55 000 lari

Seswira. sagangebo mdgomareobis dros paata

kokaias kuTvnilma sastumroebma jamurad 3,8

mln. laramde Rirebulebis kontraqtebi miiRes~

taSvilma amave partiasa da salome

zurabiSvils 130 000 lari Seswira,

kidev erTma wevrma da kompaniis

direqtorma zurab aRniaSvilma ki

sxvadasxva wels jamurad 145 000

lari gaiRo igive subieqtebis sasargeblod.

kompania „T & r distribuSenma”

sakuTari saxeliT 2016-

2017 wlebSi „qarTul ocnebas” 115

000 lari Seswira. am kompaniam da

masTan dakavSirebulma yvela pirma

erTad jamurad 495 000 lari

Seswires „qarTul ocnebas” da

salome zurabiSvils.

Sps „ji-Ti grupi” _ sagangebo

mdgomareobis periodSi kompania

„ji-Ti grupTan” pirdapiri Sesyidvis

wesiT 13 kontraqti gaformda,

romelTa jamuri Rirebuleba 10

mln. larze metia. aqedan yvelaze

mniSvnelovani aris 3 mln. evros

Rirebulebis kontraqti, romelic

„ji-Ti grupTan” Tbilisis satransporto

kompaniam avtobusebis

SekeTebisa da teqnikuri momsaxurebisTvis

gaaforma. gamartivebuli

Sesyidvis winapiroba 2019

wels Tbilisis meriisTvis 65 mln.

laris Rirebulebis 220 avtobusis

miwodeba iyo. kontraqtSi aRniSnuli

informaciis Tanaxmad, 3 mln.

evro swored aRniSnuli avtobusebis

momsaxurebas moxmarda. gamartivebuli

Sesyidvis kontraqtebis

garda, sakvlev periodSi „ji-Ti

grupma” marneulis municipalitetis

mier avtobusebis Sesyidvaze

gamocxadebuli 1,3 mln. lariani

erTi tenderic moigo. am tender-

Si kompanias mxolod erTi konkurenti

_ Sps „azia servisi” hyavda,

romelmac ufro dabali fasi

SesTavaza, magram satendero komisiam,

teqnikuri dokumentaciidan

gamomdinare, diskvalifikacia misca

da sabolood „ji-Ti grupTan”

gaaforma kontraqti. Sps „ji-Ti

grupis” generalurma direqtorma

levan gogsaZem 2016 wels 38 000

lari Seswira „qarTul ocnebas”.

kompaniis mflobelma giorgi gvelesianma

ki 2016-2018 wlebSi jamurad

120 000 lari Seswira imave

„qarTul ocnebas”.

2020 wlamde kompaniasTan 3,5

mln. laramde Rirebulebis pirdapiri

saxelmwifo Sesyidvis kontraqtebia

gaformebuli, xolo

eleqtronuli tenderebidan „ji-

Ti grups” 100 mln. larze meti aqvs

miRebuli.

Sps „mziuri” da Sps „alfa” _

soflisa da soflis meurneobis

ganviTarebis saagentom 4 232 800

aSS dolaris Rirebulebis gamartivebuli

Sesyidvis kontraqtebi

gauforma Sps „mziursa” da Sps

„alfas”. Sps „mziurTan” gaformebuli

1 424 400 aSS dolaris (4 531

444 lari) xelSekruleba 1,5 milioni

litri zeTis ruseTis federaciidan

Sesyidvas, xolo Sps

„alfasTan” dadebuli xelSekruleba

2 808 400 aSS dolaris (8 934

363 lari) Rirebulebis 5 aTasi

tona Saqrisa da 400 tona makaronis

ruseTis federaciidan da belarusidan

Sesyidvas iTvaliswinebda.

sagangebo mdgomareobis pirobebSi

msxvili pirdapiri Sesyidvis

miRebamde Sps „mziurs” saxelmwifo

Sesyidvebis didi gamocdileba ar

hqonda mas arc erT eleqtronul

tenderSi ar aqvs monawileoba

miRebuli da 2012 wlidan dRemde

mxolod 13 mcire pirdapiri kontraqti

aqvs gaformebuli. kompania

„mziuris” direqtorma SoTa

basilaSvilma da sameTvalyureo

sabWos wevrma dimitri ramiSvilma

„qarTul ocnebas” erTi da igive

odenobis Tanxa, faqtobrivad,

erTdroulad Seswires. 2018 wlis

13 dekembers salome zurabiSvilis

sasargeblod TiToeulma 30 000

lari gaiRo, xolo 2017 wlis 11-12

seqtembers TiToeulma _ 50 000

lari Seswira „qarTul ocnebas”.

gamartivebuli SesyidviT Ser-

Ceulma meore kompania Sps „alfam”

2016 wels 120 000 lari Seswira

„qarTul ocnebas”. Sps „mziuris”

msgavsad, Sps „alfasac” saxelmwifo

SesyidvebSi monawileobis

didi gamocdileba ar gaaCnia, ker-

Zod, 2014-2019 wlebSi mas oTxi

mcire pirdapiri kontraqti hqonda

gaformebuli.

Sps „loWini” _ regionuli ganviTarebisa

da infrastruqturis

saministrom 2020 wlis 31 marts

pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT Sps

„loWinTan” 750 000 lariani kontraqti

gaaforma. aRniSnuli kompaniis

33% wilis mflobeli

avTandil nacvliSvili „qarTuli

ocnebis” Semomwirvelia. 2017 wlis

seqtemberSi man partias 10 000

lari Seswira. Sps „loWins” 2017-

2020 wlebSi pirdapiri Sesyidvis

wesiT 1,2 mln. laris Rirebulebis

3 kontraqti gauformda. 2012-2020

wlebSi ki mas eleqtronuli tenderebidan

13 mln. larze meti aqvs

miRebuli. kompania, ZiriTadad, regionuli

ganviTarebisa da infrastruqturis

saministros saavtomobilo

gzebis departamentis mier

gamocxadebul tenderebs igebda.

Sps „ei-bi em” _ sagangebo mdgomareobis

periodSi Sps „ei-bi em”-

ma pirdapiri Sesyidvebis gziT 3,1

mln. laris 5 kontraqti miiRo, maT

Soris, yvelaze maRali Rirebulebis

_ 2 867 200 lariani kontraqti

18 maiss l. sayvareliZis saxelobis

daavadebaTa kontrolisa

da sazogadoebrivi janmrTelobis

erovnulma centrma gauforma. xelSekrulebis

Tanaxmad kompanias

„koronavirusisTvis” saWiro sadiagnostiko

nakrebi da reaqtivebi

unda miewodebina. 8 aprils, pirdapiri

Sesyidvis gziT, laboratoriuli

reaqtivebis SesaZenad Sps „ei-

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bi em”-Tan 200 300 lariani kontraqti

gaaforma levan samxaraulis

saxelobis sasamarTlo eqspertizis

erovnulma biurom. 2016 wlis

agvistoSi Sps „ie-bi em”-is direqtorma

aleqsandre xeTerelma „qarTul

ocnebas” maqsimaluri Tanxa

_ 60 000 lari Seswira. „ei-bi em”-s

2014-2020 wlebSi pirdapiri Sesyidvis

wesiT jamurad 8 mln. laris

Rirebulebis 162 kontraqti gauformda.

amave periodSi kompanias 4

mln. laramde Rirebulebis eleqtronuli

tenderebi aqvs mogebuli,

umetesoba _ ukonkurentod.

Sps „jeostari” _ 7 maiss Tavdacvis

saministrom pirdapiri Sesyidvis

gziT 110 aTas lariani kontraqti

gauforma Sps „jeostars”,

romlis erT-erT mflobel arCil

maziaSvils 2016 wels 55 000 lari

aqvs Sewiruli „qarTuli ocnebisTvis”.

aRniSnuli kontraqtis

gaformebamde am kompanias 29 aTas

laramde saerTo Rirebulebis

pirdapiri kontraqtebi hqonda

miRebuli. kompanias eleqtronuli

tenderi (78 000 laris Rirebulebis)

mxolod erTxel, 2018 wels aqvs

mogebuli. Semomwirvelis monawileobis

garda, es SemTxveva imiTac

aris saintereso, rom saxelmwifo

Sesyidvebis eleqtronul sistema-

Si aRniSnuli kontraqti

(CMR200066091) aRar iZebneba.

axla moemzadeT _ kontraqti

wveris saparsi mowyobilobebis Sesyidvas

ukavSirdeboda. „qronika+”

am tenders calke daubrundeba.

Sps „yvareli palasi” _

saqarTvelos turizmis erovnulma

administraciam 30 marts pirdapiri

Sesyidvis gziT sastumro

„yvareli palasTan” 224 440 lariani

kontraqti gaaforma. sastumros

mflobeli Sps „agroganvi-

Tarebaa”, romlis erT-erTma

mflobelma ivane nikolaiSvilma

2016 wlis agvistoSi „qarTul ocnebas”

40 000 lari Seswira. aRniSnul

kontraqtamde 2019-2020 wleb-

Si „yvareli palass” pirdapiri Sesyidvis

gziT 63 000 laramde Rirebulebis

xelSekrulebebi hqonda

miRebuli.

Sps „giorgi - 94" _ mimdinare

wlis 13 aprils da 6 maiss Sps „saxelmwifo

kvebiTi uzrunvelyofam”

pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT, Sps

„giorgi - 94"-s jamurad 48 060

laris Rirebulebis ori kontraqti

gauforma. „giorgi - 94"-is

direqtorma da wilis mflobelma

goCa xixaZem da aseve kompaniis

wilis kidev erTma mflobelma levan

kobaxiZem 2018 wlis noemberSi

salome zurabiSvils 5000-5000

lari Seswires. aRniSnul kontraqtebamde

kompanias pirdapiri

Sesyidvis an eleqtronuli tenderis

gziT kontraqtebi ar miuRia.

Sps „gza-mSenebeli-13" _ Sps

„saqarTvelos gaerTianebuli wyalmomaragebis

kompaniam” pirdapiri

Sesyidvis gziT, 30 aprils, „gzamSenebeli-13"-s

25 000 laris Rirebulebis

kontraqti gauforma.

aRniSnuli kompaniis mflobelebi

dalila gabelaia da nikoloz

kvaracxelia „qarTuli ocnebis”

Semomwirvelebi arian. 2018 wlis 5

seqtembers maT partias 5000-5000

lari Seswires. sagangebo mdgomareobamde,

2012-2019 wlebSi, „gzamSenebeli-13"-s

pirdapiri Sesyidvebis

gziT jamurad naxevar milion

larze meti Rirebulebis 42

kontraqti aqvs gaformebuli.

2012-2019 wlebSi kompaniam 11 mln.

larze meti Rirebulebis eleqtronuli

tenderi moigo, Tumca

umetes tenderebSi konkurenti ar

hyavda.

Sps „hotels menejment grup”

_ saqarTvelos turizmis


Sesyidvis gziT Sps „hotels

menejment grups” sastumros

sakarantine sivrced gamoyenebis

mizniT 21 martsa da 20 aprils ori

kontraqti gauforma. jamurad am

kompaniam 485 290 lari miiRo. „hotels

menejment grupis” 100%-iani

wilis mflobeli vladimer stefaniania,

romelmac 2018 wlis oqtomberSi

salome zurabiSvils 60

000 lari Seswira.

Sps „k da qarTuli spirti” _

saqarTvelos turizmis erovnulma

administraciam pirdapiri Sesyidvis

gziT Sps „k da qarTuli

spirtis” sastumros, sakarantine

sivrced gamoyenebis mizniT, 16 da

27 marts ori kontraqti gauforma.

jamurad kompaniam 65 000 lari

miiRo. „k da qarTuli spirtis” generalur

direqtor irakli beqaurs

2018-2019 wlebSi „qarTuli ocnebisTvis”

da salome zurabiSvilisTvis

90 000 lari aqvs Sewiruli.

beqaurma bolo, 20 000-lariani

Semowiruleba 13 marts „qarTuli

ocnebis” sasargeblod gaiRo, sami

dRis Semdeg ki pirdapiri SesyidviT

pirveli kontraqti miiRo.

amave kompaniis direqtorma giorgi

dameniam mimdinare wlis 15

aprils „qarTul ocnebas” 30 000

lari Seswira.

Sps „kaxuri tradiciuli meRv-

ineoba” _ saqarTvelos turizmis


Sesyidvis gziT Sps „kaxur

tradiciul meRvineobas” sastumros

sakarantine sivrced gamoyenebis

mizniT 3 kontraqti gauforma,

romelTa jamuri Rirebuleba

252 183 lari iyo. 2020 wlamde

am kompaniis mier saxelmwifo Sesyidvebidan

miRebuli yvelaze msxvili

kontraqti 29 000 laris Rirebulebis

iyo. 2012 wlidan 2019

wlis CaTvliT kompanias jamurad

260 000 laramde Rirebulebis kontraqtebi

aqvs miRebuli. 2016 da

2017 wlebSi am kompaniam „qarTul

ocnebas” jamurad 240 000 lari

Seswira. kompaniis 100%-iani wilis

mflobelma da amave dros direqtorma

zurab CxaiZem 2018 wlis 19

oqtombers salome zurabiSvils 60

000 lari Seswira. zurab CxaiZes

saxelisuflebo partiisTvis jamurad

300 000 lari aqvs Sewiruli.

zurab CxaiZe aseve aris arasamewarmeo

iuridiul pir „qarTuli

Rvinos” gamgeobis wevri. „qarTulma

Rvinom” 2012-2020 wlebSi pirdapiri

saxelmwifo SesyidvebiT 2,5

mln laramde jamuri Rirebulebis

35 kontraqti miiRo.

Sps Weekend _ saqarTvelos okupirebuli

teritoriebidan devnilTa,

Sromis, janmrTelobisa da

socialuri dacvis saministrom

pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT Sps Weekend-isgan

6 aprils 1 329 680 aSS

dolaris (daaxloebiT 4,2 mln.

laris) Rirebulebis samedicino

mowyobilobebi Seisyida. 7 aprils

kompaniam kidev erTi, 20 617 dolariani

(daaxloebiT 68 000 laris)

kontraqti miiRo. Sps Weekend

pirdapiri SesyidviT kontraqtebs

2020 wlis aprilidan iRebs da zemoT

aRniSnuli xelSekrulebebis

garda 60 000 laramde jamuri


miRebuli.

Sps „jeoferumis” 100%-iani

wilis mflobelma da direqtorma

bondo goleTianma 2018 wels salome

zurabiSvils 25,000 lari

Seswira.

Sps „Tbilisi refier kompani”

_ qalaq Tbilisis municipalitetis

transportis ganviTarebis

saagentom pirdapiri Sesyidvis

gziT Sps „Tbilisi refier kompanis”

SuqniSnebisa da sxva sagzao

mowyobilobebis SesaZenad jamuead

3 mln. larze meti Rirebulebis 2

kontraqti gauforma. Sesyidvis

safuZveli amave kompaniasTan 2018

wels eleqtronuli tenderis meSveobiT

gaformebuli kontraqti

iyo. 2018 wlis dekemberSi kompaniam

Tbilisis meriis 2,7 mln. lariani

kontraqti moigo. tenderSi 4

kompania monawileobda, „Tbilisi

refier kompanim” yvelaze maRali

fasi SesTavaza da fasis mixedviT

samive konkurentTan damarcxda.

Tumca meriam samive konkurents

diskvalifikacia mianiWa teqnikur

dokumentaciaSi arsebuli xarvezis

gamo da kontraqti „Tbilisi

refier kompanisTan” gaaforma.

samive konkurentma kompaniam meriis

gadawyvetileba gaasaCivra, magram

Sesyidvebis saagentos davebis

ganxilvis sabWom erTi kompaniis

saCivari dauSveblad miiCnia,

oris ki _ ar daakmayofila.

Sps „Tbilisi refier kompanim”

2016 wels „qarTul ocnebas” 60 000

lari Seswira. aRniSnuli kontraqtis

garda, 2015-2020 wlebSi

„Tbilisi refier kompanim” 8,3 mln.

laris jamuri Rirebulebis 7 eleqtronuli

tenderi moigo, Tumca

arc erT tenderSi konkurenti ar

hyolia. 2020 wlamde kompania mxolod

Tbilisis meriis gamocxadebul

tenderebs igebda (konkurentis

gareSe), sxva uwyebebis mier

gamocxadebul tenderebSi ki _

marcxdeboda. 2020 wlis Teberval-

Si kompaniam quTganaTebis 45 400

lariani tenderi moigo, isev

ukonkurentod.

Sps „luka 2005" _ 15 aprils

Tbilisis naZaladevis raionis gamgeobam


Sps „luka 2005"-isgan 258 880 laris

Rirebulebis sakvebi produqti

Seisyida. „luka 2005" 2019 wlis ivlisSia

registrirebuli da aRniSnul

Sesyidvamde mimdinare wlis

ianvarsa da martSi 16 000 laramde

Rirebulebis 2 kontraqti hqonda

gaformebuli. Sps „luka 2005"-s

2019-2020 wlebSi eleqtronuli

tenderebiT 5 mln laris jamuri

Rirebulebis 6 tenderi aqvs mogebuli.

aRniSnuli 6 tenderidan 5-

Si mas konkurenti ar hyavda. uSualod

sagangebo mdgomareobis

dros am kompanias 2,4 mln. laramde

jamuri Rirebulebis 2 tenderi

aqvs mogebuli. mis mier mogebuli

yvelaze msxvili tenderebi saxelmwifo

Sesyidvebis saagentos

mier Catarebuli konsolidirebuli

tenderebia, xolo Sesyidvis

obieqti Zalovani struqturebisTvis

gankuTvnili pur-funTuSeulis

miwodebaa.

Sps „luka 2005"-is 100%-iani wilis

mflobelma iaSa CaCuam 2018

wlis 14 dekembers salome zurabiSvils

60 000 lari Seswira, xolo

kompaniis direqtorma nukri mefariSvilma

_ 10 000 lari. iaSa CaCuas

kidev erT kompania Sps „ili

jgufs” pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT

2012-2019 wlebSi 1.6 mln laris

kontraqtebi aqvs miRebuli. amave

periodSi kompanias 110 mln. laris

eleqtronuli tenderebi aqvs mogebuli.

maT Soris, yvelaze msxvili

_ 73 mln. lariani tenderi specialuri

penitenciuri samsaxuris

penitenciur dawesebulebebSi mo-

Tavsebuli msjavrdadebulebisa

da TanamSromlebis kvebiT momsaxurebaSi

moigo. aRniSnul tender-

Si konkurenti mas ar hyolia.

Sps „jeoferum” _ saqarTvelos

okupirebuli teritoriebidan

devnilTa, Sromis, janmrTelobisa

da socialuri dacvis saministrom


Sps „jeoferumisgan” 6 aprils 521

700 laris Rirebulebis samedicino

tansacmeli Seisyida. Sps

„jeoferumi” 2019 wlis maisSi aris

registrirebuli da aRniSnul kontraqtamde

saxelmwifo Sesyidveb-

Si monawileobis gamocdileba ar

hqonia. Sps „jeoferumis” 100%-iani

wilis mflobelma da direqtorma

levan lursmanaSvilma 2016 wels

„qarTul ocnebas” 25 000 lari

Seswira, xolo 2018 wels salome

zurabiSvils _ 10 000 lari.

Sps „madagoni 2" _ sagangebo

mdgomareobis ganmavlobaSi rusTavisa

da gardabnis municipalitetebma


Sps „madagoni 2"-Tan 723 000 laramde


gaaformes. sagangebo

mdgomareobamde „madagoni 2" 5000

laramde Rirebulebis pirdapir

kontraqtebs iRebda. kompanias

eleqtronul tenderebSi monawileobis

miRebis gamocdileba ar

aqvs. Sps „madagonis” direqtorma

iuri bedineiSvilma 2016 wels

„qarTul ocnebas” 60 000

lari Seswira.

Sps „in-si” _ Tbilisis ganvi-

Tarebis fondis mier 2020 wlis 24

marts gamocxadebul tenderSi,

romlis savaraudo Rirebuleba 34

mln. lari iyo, Sps „in-sim” gaimarjva

33,7 mln. lariani SeTavazebiT.

tenderSi mas erTi konkurenti _

Sps „java” hyavda, romelmac ufro

dabali fasi SesTavaza, magram teqnikuri

dokumentaciis gamo diskvalifikacia

miiRo. 2012-2020

wlebSi, pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT,

kompanias 123 mln. laris jamuri


miRebuli. eleqtronul tendereb-

Si aRniSnul 34-mlnian kontraqtamde

mas 10 mln laramde

jamuri Rirebulebis tenderebi

hqonda mogebuli.

„in-si” ZiriTadad samSeneblo

samuSaoebis SesrulebiTaa dakavebuli.

kompaniis direqtor zviad

ToiZes 2016 wlis oqtomberSi

„qarTuli ocnebisTvis” 50 000

lari aqvs Sewiruli.

Sps „sagzao samSeneblo sam-

marTvelo #1" _ saqarTvelos

gaerTianebuli wyalmomaragebis

kompaniam 21 maiss pirdapiri Sesyidvis

gziT 85 000 lariani kontraqti

gauforma Sps „sagzao sam-

Seneblo sammarTvelo #1"- s. sagangebo

mdgomareobis periodSi

aRniSnulma kompaniam 864 000

laris jamuri Rirebulebis sami

eleqtronuli tenderic moigo.

samive tenderi goris municipalitetis

meriis mier iyo gamocxadebuli

da samiveSi mxolod „sagzao

samSeneblo sammarTvelo #1"

monawileobda. „sagzao samSeneblo

sammarTvelo #1"-s 50%-iani wilis

mflobelebi nukri da nugzar abalakebi

„qarTuli ocnebis” Semomwirvelebi

arian. 2017 wlis agvistoSi

da oqtomberSi partias maT

60 000-60 000 lari Seswires. 2012-

2020 wlebSi am kompanias pirdapiri

Sesyidvis gziT 8,5 mln. laris


aqvs miRebuli. amave periodSi

mas 85 mln. laramde jamuri Rirebulebis

eleqtronuli tenderebic

aqvs mogebuli.

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ìvaniSvili xelSeuxeblobis garantiebs

leiboristuli partiis erT-

Sorena marsagiSvili

erTi lideri, nika vardoSvili,

599 92 16 22

koronainficirebulTa raodeno-

bis zrdas moaxloebul arCevnebs

ukavSirebs. opozicioneri miiCnevs, rom „qarTuli ocneba” am

karts oqtombris Sua ricxvebSi gaaTamaSebs. igi qveynis srul-

masStabian Caketvas ar elodeba. misi azriT, Caiketeba is

soflebi da municipalitetebi, sadac „qarTul ocnebas” gan-

sakuTrebiT cudad aqvs saqme.

visgan elodeba ivaniSvili

usafrTxoebis garantiebs? ra-

tom ar SeiZleba misi patieba?

ra bedi eliT oligarqis

gareSe darCenil meocnebeebs?

ratom cdilobs ruseTi Salva

naTelaSvilis dasjas? aRi-

arebs Tu ara opozicia

arCevnebis Sedegebs, Tu „oc-

nebam” umravlesoba gaiforma?

_ amis Sesaxeb nika vardoSvili

„qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_nika, gasul kviras ko-

ronavirusiT inficirebulTa

ricxvi mkveTrad gaizarda.

amas miTqma-moTqma mohyva. bev-

ri

koronainficirebulTa

raodenobis zrdas moaxloe-

bul arCevnebs ukavSirebs.

Tqven ras abralebT xalxis

daudevrobas, Tu moaxloebul

arCevnebs?

_ amis Sesaxeb Cemi azri

maqvs: koronainficirebulTa

raodenobis mkveTr matebas

moaxloebul arCevnebs vukav-

Sireb. „qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi

mTeli gazafxuli

imas gveubnebodnen, rom

TiTqos Cvenma xelisuflebam

moaxerxa koronis Sekaveba. giorgi

gaxaria lamis qveynis mxsnelad

gamoacxades. arCevnebis

win koronainficirebulTa

raodenobis mateba Zalian saeWvoa.

vfiqrob, rom mTeli winasaarCevno

periodi inficirebulTa

mateba iqneba. arCevnebamde

ori-sami kviriT adre xelisufleba

axal statistikas

dadebs da gvetyvis, rom korona

klebisken wavida. am problemis

momgvareblad isev krizismenejer

gaxarias daasaxeleben.

es Cveulebrivi iaffasiani

winasaarCevno piaria.

_ bevris azriT, inficirebulTa

raodenoba imitom izrdeba,

rom xelisuflebas saar-

Cevnod qveynis Caketva surs.

_ Caketaven, magram mTeli

qveynis Caketvas ver gabedaven.

is soflebi da municipalitetebi

Caiketeba, sadac „qarTul

ocnebas” gansakuTrebiT

mZimed eqneba saqme. amis magaliTia

sofeli matani. am dReebSi

gamogvicxades, rom axmetis municipalitetis

sofel matanSi

aris koronao.

_ ratom ar SeiZleba, rom

matanSi iyos korona?

_ rogor ar SeiZleba, magram

raRa matanSi gamoCnda es virusi?

matani aris opoziciurad

ganwyobili sofeli. es mafiqrebinebs,

rom iseTi soflebi da

municipalitetebi Caikiteba,

sadac mmarTveli partia aSkara

marcxisTvis aris ganwiruli.

30

599 92 16 22 nika vardoSvili:

_ Caketvas ra azri aqvs? Ca-

ketil sofelSic xom unda

Catardes saparlamento arC-

evnebi?

_ Caketil sofelSic Catardeba

arCevnebi, magram sadamkvirveblo

TvalsazrisiT garTuldeba

muSaoba. damkvirveblebi

ver Sevlen. „qarTul

ocnebas” mRvrie wyalSi Tevzis

daWera gauadvildeba.

_ mRvrie wyalSi daWerili

Tevzi arCevnebis saboloo

Sedegze imoqmedebs? SeZlebs

„qarTuli ocneba” misTvis sasurveli

Sedegis dadebas oq-

tombris arCevnebze?

_ xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi

ar amboben, rom arCevnebs

movigebTo, isini acxadeben,

arCevnebs gaviformebTo.

hoda, rac ar unda gaiformon

arCevnebi, saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba

amas ar dauSvebs.

16 amerikel kongresmens is

skandaluri gancxadeba SemTxveviT

ar gaukeTebia. roca

arCevnebis win aseTi gancxadebebi

keTdeba, es bevr rameze

miuTiTebs. arc erTi amerikeli

kongresmeni an senatori ar

gaakeTebs gancxadebas sagareo

Temaze, Tu saxelmwifo departamentidan

ar aqvs Tanxmoba.

kongresmenebma ivaniSvils

gasagebad uTxres, Sen xar rusi

oligarqi da putinis nacvali

saqarTveloSi. isic naTlad mianiSnes,

rom xelisuflebaSi

misi yofnis vada amoiwura da

is aucileblad unda wavides.

_ ivaniSvili, erTi SexedviT,

arsad wasvlas apirebs. igive

iTqmis mis Tanagundele-

bzec.

_ vfiqrob, rom apirebs. biZina

ivaniSvili sakmaod kargad

acnobierebs saqarTvelosa da

mis gareT Seqmnil viTarebas.

aravin Tqvas, rom eg kaci utvinoa

da movlenebis Sefasebis

unari ar gaaCnia. is wasasvlelad

emzadeba. axla zis da

raRac garantiebs elodeba.

_ ra garantiebs?

_ usafrTxoebisa da xel-

Seuxeblobis garantiebs.

_ visgan surs am garantieb-

is miReba, rusebisgan Tu

amerikelebisgan?

_ garantiebi yvel mxrisgan

sWirdeba. is darwmunebuli

unda iyos, rom rodesac xelisuflebidan

wava, mis winaaRmdeg

sisxlis samarTlis saqme ar

aRiZreba. roca garantiebs miiRebs,

bargsac Caalagebs da

wava.

_ miiRebs am garantiebs?

_ miiRebs Tu ara, ver getyviT.

Cemi azriT ki misTvis

xelSeuxeblobis garantiebis

micema ar SeiZleba.

_ ratom ar SeiZleba?

_ uamravi danaSauli aqvs

Cadenili. sxva yvelafers rom

Tavi gavaneboT, ivaniSvils saydrisis

afeTqeba ar unda SerCes.

mravalsaukunovani istoria

dagvamxo Tavze. Tu gvinda, rom

samarTlebriv saxelmwifod CamovyalibdeT

da kanoni kanonobdes,

romelime xelisuflebam

mainc unda agos pasuxi mis

mier Cadenil danaSaulze. Cven-

Tan aseTi precedenti jer ar

momxdara.

_ rogor ar momxdara:

saakaSvilma SevardnaZis Cino-

snebi daiWira, ivaniSvilma ki

saakaSvilis ministrebi gauSva

sapatimroSi.

_ Cinosnebi daiWires, magram

pirvel pirebs aravin Sexebia.

arada, wyali saTavidan imRvreva

xolme. biZina ivaniSvilma Tu

pasuxi ar ago, misi ministrebis

pasuxisgebaSi micemas aranairi

azri ar eqneba.

ìseTi soflebi da

municipalitetebi

Caikiteba, sadac

mmarTveli partia

aSkara marcxisTvis

aris ganwiruli~

_ ratom ar eqneba azri?

_ imitom, rom isini arian

Cveulebrivi marionetebi da

aranairi wona ar gaaCniaT.

_ zogi ministri iseTi woni-

ania.

_ me politikur wonaze geubnebiT.

ise, rogor ar aqvT wona.

politikuri TvalsazrisiT

arafers warmoadgenen da

akeTeben imas, rasac ivaniSvili

ubrZanebs. SegiZliaT damisaxeloT

romelime iseTi ministri,

romelic gabedavs biZinas-

Tan SekamaTebas da etyvis, rom

misi argumenti arasworia? ver

damisaxelebT, radgan dRevandel

mTavrobaSi amas veravin

gabedavs.

_ wesiT, mTavrobis wevrs es

ar unda gauWirdes. ivaniSvils

oficialurad aranairi Tanam-

deboba ar ukavia.

_ oficialurad ar ukavia,

magram yvelafers eg marTavs.

amasTan, aranairi pasuxismgebloba

ar ekisreba. xelisuflebidan

wasvlis Semdeg ivaniS-

`sxva yvelafers rom Tavi gavaneboT,

ivaniSvils saydrisis afeTqeba ar unda SerCes.

mravalsaukunovani istoria dagvamxo Tavze.

Tu gvinda, rom samarTlebriv saxelmwifod

CamovyalibdeT da kanoni kanonobdes,

romelime xelisuflebam mainc unda agos

pasuxi mis mier Cadenil danaSaulze~

vili aravis bediT ar dainteresdeba.

dReisTvis mis yvelaze

axloblad iTvleba irakli RaribaSvili,

magram misTvis sulerTi

iqneba, momavali mTavroba

daiWers Tu ara Tavdacvis

moqmed ministrs.

_ Tavisi gundis wevrebis

usafrTxoebis garantiebs ar

iTxovs ivaniSvili?

_ ara. is xelSeuxeblobis

garantiebs mxolod TavisTvis

da sakuTari ojaxisTvis iTxovs.

sxva mag kacs aravin ainteresebs.

is mzadaa, mTeli gundi

gawiros. ar dagvaviwydes, Tu

ras warmoadgens ivaniSvili. is

pirovnebad gasuli saukunis

90-iani wlebis ruseTSi Camoyalibda.

am mentalobiT iSova

fuli da dRemde am mentalobiT

moqmedebs da cxovrobs. man

kargad icis, rom junglebSia

da TviTgadarCenaze unda ifiqros.

junglebSi garSemomyofebis

bedze aravin fiqrobs

xolme. amas arc ivaniSvili gaakeTebs.

_ wina arCevnebze is Zalian

aqtiuri iyo. axla mis pasiurobas

riT xsniT: pandemiis SiSiT

ar gamodis gareT, Tu, rogorc

Tqven ambobT, usafrTx-

oebis garantiebze CaliCobs?

_ axla is situaciis SefasebiT

aris dakavebuli. „tv nade-

Jdas” namReri diTirambebis

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iTxovs da òcnebis~ gawirvas apirebs~

arc magas sjera. man Zalian

kargad icis, rom misi reitingi

iseTi maRali araa, rogorc

amas aRniSnuli telekompania

warmoaCens. icis, rom xalxSi

mis mimarT Zalian didi ukmayofilebaa.

ivaniSvils aranairi

Sansi ar aqvs, rom seriozuli

Sedegi dados. arCevnebi Tu ar

gaayalba, ise verafers moigebs.

gayalbeba ki unda, magram amis

gakeTebac eSinia. icis, rom gayalbebas

Zalian didi ambavi mohyveba

da misi saqme cudad wava.

amitom aris CrdilSi, elodeba

xelSeuxeblobis garantiebs. ra

garantiebsac miscemen, imis

mixedviT imoqmedebs. 2016 wels

imitom aqtiurobda, rom icoda,

mis mimarT aseTi agresia ar

iyo. arc dasavleTi iyo aseTi

radikaluri. administraciuli

resursis kontroliT inar-

Cunebda Zalauflebas.

_ 2016 wels mTavarma opoziciurma

Zalam, „nacionalurma

moZraobam”, aRiara arCevn-

ebis Sedegebi. axlac igive xom

ar moxdeba da opozicia iva-

niSvilis arCevnebis Sedegebs

aRiarebs?

_ amas kategoriulad gamovricxav!

es araviTar SemTxvevaSi

ar moxdeba. romeli Zalac

amas gaakeTebs, is opoziciad

ar CaiTvleba.

_ Tqven, albaT, im partiebs

gulisxmobT, romlebic Tqve-

ni partiis ezoSi ikribebodnen

molaparakebebze, magram arian

ivaniSvilis sateliti opozi-

ciuri partiebic.

_ mag satelitebs opoziciad

arc ganvixilav. rogor SeiZleba,

magaT opozicia vuwodo?!

_ Tqven SeiZleba, ar miiCni-

oT isini opoziciad, magram

dasavleTs xom daanaxeben, rom

ai, opoziciis nawilma arCe-

vnebis Sedegebi aRiarao.

_ dasavleTma SesaniSnavad

icis, Tu vin aris irma inaSvili.

gasul wels is devid kramers

miuvarda da seriozuli

koncerti Caatara. dasavleTSi

Cvenze ukeT ician, rom inaSvili

aranairi opozicia araa „patriotTa

aliansi” ivaniSvils

arCevnebs rom „gaupravebs”, amaSi

eWvic ar mepareba. da es iciT,

rogori iqneba? _ mela rom

Tavis kuds mowmed moiyvans.

_ mTlad meliisa da misi

kudis ambis imedad ar unda

iyoT, „patriotebis” garda

arCevnebis Sedegebi sxva par-

tiebmac SeiZleba cnon.

_ esec mosalodnelia. iq „qarTuli

marSi” izams amas, aqeT

_ sxvadasxva wvrili partia. seriozuli

politikuri organizaciebi

gayalbebuli arCevnebis

Sedegebs ar aRiareben.

_ ra SemTxvevaSi miiCnevT

arCevnebs gayalbebulad?

_ Tu ivaniSvili gvetyvis,

rom umravlesoba aiRo da

mTavrobas damoukideblad daakompleqtebs.

_ iqneb, marTla iRebs aseT

Sedegs?

_ xumrobT? rogor SeiZle-

`biZina ivaniSvili sakmaod kargad acnobierebs saqarTvelosa da mis gareT

Seqmnil viTarebas. aravin Tqvas, rom eg kaci utvinoa da movlenebis

Sefasebis unari ar gaaCnia. is wasasvlelad emzadeba. axla zis da raRac

garantiebs elodeba~

ba, aseTi reitingiT umravlesoba

miiRos?! is saparlamento

umravlesobas verc sateliti

partiebis daxmarebiT Seakowiwebs.

_ magaT reitingi marTla

dabali aqvT, magram opozici-

ac ver xarT yoCaRad. Tavidan

Zalian kargad daiwyeT, magram

axla aurieT da erTmaneTSic

ki CxubobT.

_ Cveni partia arc erT

opoziciur Zalas ar dapirispirebia.

yvelaferi gavakeTeT

imisTvis, rom opozicia erTad

damjdariyo, raTa proporciuli

arCevnebisTvis migveRwia.

nawilobriv es mizani miRweulia.

imis miuxedavad, rom molaparakebebi

Cvens ofisSi imarTeboda,

yvelanairad ukana

planze viyaviT gadaweuli.

veravin ityvis, rom Cven iq,

rogorc maspinZlebi, ise viyaviT.

leiboristuli partiis

ofisi gadaqceuli iyo adgilad,

sadac nebismier opoziciur

Zalas miesvleboda. Tavidan

yvela Tanabari iyo, mere viRacebs

axalgazrdulma asakma Secdoma

daaSvebina da aTqmevina,

rom ai, me unda viyo opoziciis

premierobis kandidatio.

axla premierobis kandidatis

dasaxeleba opoziciis mxridan

araseriozulia.

_ ratom aris araseriozu-

li?

_ aris erTi mSvenieri qarTuli

andaza, _ bavSvi ar dabadebula

da abrams arqmevdneno.

jer Catardes arCevnebi, SevxedoT,

vin ramdeni procenti

aiRo da amis mixedviT SevarCioT

premierobis kandidati.

_ Tqveni lideri, Salva na-

TelaSvili, naZaladevis saar-

Cevno olqSi iyris kenWs. wina

kviraSi gavigeT, rom misi konkurenti

irma inaSvili iqne-

`dasavleTma SesaniSnavad icis, Tu vin aris

irma inaSvili. gasul wels is devid kramers

miuvarda da seriozuli koncerti Caatara.

dasavleTSi Cvenze ukeT ician, rom inaSvili

aranairi opozicia araa `patriotTa aliansi~

ivaniSvils arCevnebs rom `gaupravebs~, amaSi

eWvic ar mepareba. da es iciT, rogori iqneba?

- mela rom Tavis kuds mowmed moiyvans~

ba. aman leiboristebi Zalian

aRgaSfoTaT. ratom gabra-

zdiT ase?

_ imitom, rom inaSvilis kandidaturis

dayeneba naZaladev-

Si kremlis mier miRebuli gadawyvetilebaa.

moskovisTvis

naTelaSvilis persona Zalian

gamaRizianebeli gaxda.

_ riT gaaRiziana Salvam

rusebi?

_ Salva naTelaSvils Zalian

seriozuli da mniSvnelovani

vizitebi hqonda amerikaSi. vaSingtonSi

ivaniSvilisTvis sanqciebis

dawesebis sakiTxi

pirvelma man daayena. mere Cvens

ofisSi imarTeboda opoziciuri

Sekrebebi, romelic ivaniSvilisa

da Sesabamisad ruseTis

winaaRmdeg iyo mimarTuli. es

yvelaferi kremlis gegmebSi ar

Sedioda. rusebs arc is gamor-

CeniaT, rom Cven gavrilovis

winaaRmdeg mowyobil aqciaSi

vmonawileobdiT. amitomac gamoiyvana

kremlma Tavisi favoriti

asparezze da pirdapir Salva

naTelaSvils dauyena konkurentad

naZaladevSi. kidev

erTxel vambob: es gadawyvetileba

uSualod moskovSi miiRes.

arc isaa SemTxveviTi, rom

swored „patriotebma” miierTes

memarcxene aliansi. es

ureitingo partia, Tavis

droze, leiboristebidan wasuli

xalxiT aris dakompleqtebuli.

maT aranairi reitingi ar

gaaCniaT.

_ maT mier naTelaSvilis

lanZRvam ra Sedegi unda gamoiRos?

aqamdec gmobdnen Sal-

vas, magram ra daakles?

_ aranair Sedegs ar gamoi-

Rebs, magram mainc gailanZRebian.

„patriotTa aliansis” mizani

Tbilisis olqebSi

arCevnebSi warmatebis miRweva

araa. isini yvelafers gaakeTeben,

rom „ocnebis” maJoritarebi

gaaTrion.

_ „ocnebis” maJoritarebi

„patriotebma” rogor unda

gaaTrion?

_ zogs xom hgonia, rom „patriotTa

aliansi” opoziciaa.

opoziciur kandidatebs waar-

Tmeven xmas. amiT ki „qarTuli

ocneba” isargeblebs. darwmunebuli

var, rom yvelafris miuxedavad

Tbilisis rvave olqs

opozicia moigebs.

_ regionebSi ra xdeba? iq

ra Sansebi aqvs opozicias?

kaxeTs warmoadgenT da Tqveni

regionis magaliTze gviTx-

ariT, ra xdeba?

_ kaxeTSi mmarTvel Zalas

kargad ar aqvs saqme. Telavs

yovelTvis agebs „qarTuli ocneba”.

igive suraTi iqneba am

arCevnebze mTel kaxeTSi. Zalian

gamikvirdeba, „ocnebam” kaxeTSi

seriozuli Sedegi rom

dados.

_ ratom gagikvirdebaT?

_ warmoudgenelia, rom kaxeTSi

ivaniSvils raime reitingi

hqondes. axla rTveli mimdinareobs.

rqawiTelis maqsimaluri

fasi 85 TeTria.

_ gaxariam rom Tqva, 1

larze naklebi ar iqnebao?

_ danapirebs rodis asrulebdnen,

rom es SeesrulebinaT?

kargad maxsovs, ras ambobda

ivaniSvili, roca xelisuflebaSi

modioda. man ganacxada,

sircxvilia, yurZeni lari

rom Rirso. am gancxadebebis

gamkeTebelma ivaniSvilma laridan

85 TeTramde Camoiyvana

erTi kilogrami yurZnis fasi.

_ aq isic unda vTqvaT, rom

miSas dros lari aseTi gaube-

durebuli ar iyo.

_ maSindeli erTi lari da

dRevandeli erTi lari erTmaneTs

ar udris. axla laric

aRar aris.

_ gavigeT, rom xalxi gabrazebulia

da amis gamo „ocneb-

as” xmas ar miscems, daSinebiT

xom ar aSineben amomrCvels an

mosyidvis faqtebi xom ar Seg-

imCneviaT?

_ kaxeTis oTxi municipalitetis:

gurjaanis, Telavis, axmetisa

da yvarlis sasaflaoebis

movla-patronobaze gamoyofilia

naxevari milioni lari.

gaviaroT es sasaflaoebi da

vnaxavT, rom iqauroba nagviTa

da ekalbardiT aris savse. am

sakiTxze municipalitetebs

tenderi unda gamoecxadebinaT,

magram ar gamoacxades. sasaflaoebis

movla-patronobaze

municipalitetebSi gaaformes

viRacebi. maT pensionerebs

veZaxi. saxelfaso baraTs Tve-

Si erTxel Seyofen bankomatSi,

raTa iqidan fuli gamoiRon.

sul esaa maTi saqme.

„qarTuli ocneba” aseTi adamianebiT

cdilobs arCevnebis

gayalbebas. xelfass xom araferSi

uxdian da eubnebian, sxva

araferi gevalebaT, unda mogvitanoT

aTkaciani siao. piradobis

mowmobis aslebic Tan unda

erTvodes am sias. mere sia-

Si Syvanil xalxs eubnebian, rom

Semoxazul biuletens suraTi

unda gadauRon. am meTodiT

cdiloben fons gasvlas. sxva

meTodebsac gamoiyeneben, magram

fons veRar gavlen. „qar-

Tuli ocnebis” saqme wasulia.

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vis ufro meti sportsmeni da

„qarTuli ocnebis” oceulSi me-

rezo SatakiSvili

13 nomrad kalaTburTel viqtor

597 94 42 50

sanikiZisa da me-16 nomrad morag-

be daviT kaWaravas dasaxelebam

didi miTqma-moTqma da cxoveli reaqciebi gamoiwvia _ RliciniT

dawyebuli, mZafri kritikiTa da lanZRviT damTavrebu-

li. axla ki cnobili xdeba, rom „ocnebis” gamsvlel siaSi vix-

ilavT tyviis msrolel nino saluqvaZesac. maT garda, gldanSi

maJoritarad ukve dasaxelebulia fexburTeli levan kobiaS-

vili, naZaladevSi _ aseve fexburTeli miSa yavelaSvili.

saerTod, arc erTi profesiis

xalxis siaSi gamoCenas iseTi xmauri

ar mosdevs, rogorc sportsmenebisa

da artistebis (msaxiobebi,

reJisorebi, momRerlebi) gamoCenas.

Tumca amjerad raRac ise ecnen

kaWaravasa da sanikiZes, gegoneba,

TviTon biZinas aqamde, wina or

arCevnebze, sportsmenebiTa da artistebiT

ar hqonda sia gamotenili

an manamde saakaSvili ar mimar-

Tavda am manevrs an kidev ufro

manamde _ eduard SevardnaZe da

yvela sxva partia _ saxelisuflebo

Tu opoziciuri.

es rom asea, Tavadac darwmundebiT,

Tu erTad gadavxedavT dinamikas

_ ra adgili ekavaT sportsmenebsa

da artistebs qarTuli

parlamentarizmis istoriaSi. aq,

cxadia, vgulisxmobT da vexebiT

maT, vinc moxvda parlamentSi da

ara maTze bevrjer met sportsmensa

da msaxiobs, romlebic iyvnen

siaSi da ar eRirsaT parlamentaroba.

an im gamonaklisebs, romelic

sul ramdenime saaTi iyvnen parlamentis

sxdomaTa darbazSi da maTi

sadeputato uflebamosileba ar

ucniaT, Tundac mokrive giorgi

kandelaks, romelic eduard SevardnaZis

saxelisuflebo blokis

siiT moxvda im parlamentSi, romelic

saakaSvilma vardebiT gareka.

sportsmenebsa da msaxiobebs

weren siaSi an ayeneben maJoritarad.

Tumca erTi ram imTaviTve unda

vTqvaT, vidre uSualod ama Tu im

mowvevis parlamentSi sportsmenebis/artistebis

yofnas SevexebiT.

yvela sportsmenisa da artistis

erT qvabSi moxarSva (an moxrakva)

imTaviTve dauSvebelia, radgan

maT Soris ramdenime kategoria

ikveTeba. xSirad saparlamento sia-

Si svamen (an maJoritarobis kandidatad

waradgenen) sportsmenebs

mxolod imitom, rom sportiT saxeli

aqvT moxveWili da partiebs

maTi popularobis gamoyeneba swadiaT,

sxva mxriv ki maT aranairi

Sexeba ar hqoniaT manamde arc

politikur, arc sazogadoebriv

procesebTan. swored aseTia sanikiZisa

da kaWaravas SemTxveva.

arian sportsmenebi da artistebi,

romlebic popularulebi da

saxelganTqmulni arian Tavis

saqmeSi, magram parlamentSi moxvedramde

bevrad adre brZandebian

Cabmuli sazogadoebriv-politikur

cxovrebaSi. rogorc es, vTqvaT,

kinoreJisor lana RoRoberiZis an

msoflioSi saxelganTqmul saopero

momReral maia TomaZis SemTxvevaSi

iyo Tavis droze.

am ori kategoriis garda, arian

sportsmenebi da artistebi, romlebic

Tavis sferoSi didad arc

arian gamoCenilni da isini siebSi

xvdebian partiuli brZolidan an

sxva Rirsebidan Tu faqtoridan

gamomdinare da realurad maTi

sportsmenoba da msaxioboba arafer

SuaSia.

am sami ZiriTadi kategoriis

garda, cxadia, aris calkeuli

gamonaklisebic da gardamavali,

gradaciuli variantebic.

saerTod, siebSi cnobili xalxis

Seyvana wmindad sabWoTa movlenaa

da am savokur tradicias

verc erTi xelisufleba ver eleva,

erTaderTi zviad gamsaxurdiam

scada Tavis droze am tradiciisTvis

gverdis avla. es rom asea,

Tavad darwmundebiT.

sabWoTa dros arCeul gindac

saqarTvelos ssr-s da gindac mTeli

ssrk-s umaRles sabWoSi yovel-

Tvis isxdnen msaxiobebi, reJisorebi,

sportsmenebi, samecniero da

teqnikuri inteligenciis warmomadgenlebi,

iseve rogorc mowinave

mwvelavebi, meCaieebi Tu muSebi.

1990 wlis arCevnebze komunistebma

am sqemas ukve sxva miznisTvis _

konkurentul garemoSi gasamarjveblad

mimarTes.

1990-92 wlebis

uzenaesi sabWo

1990 wlis arCevnebSi kompartiam

kudi moiqnia, sia samecniero

elitiT gamotena, oRond sagangebod

SeirCnen is mecnierebi, romlebic

sworedac rom msaxiobebiviT

da sportsmenebiviT popularulebi

iyvnen.

1990 wels arCeul uzenaes sab-

WoSi komunisturi partiis siiT

moxvdnen akademikosebi: evgeni xaraZe,

andria afaqiZe, nino javaxiSvili,

mecnierebaTa akademiis wevrkorespodentebi:

iuridiul mecnierebaTa

doqtori levan aleqsi-

Ze, medicinis mecnierebaTa doqtori,

profesori, cnobili paTanatomi

Tamar dekanosiZe, istoriis

mecnierebaTa doqtori roin metreveli.

aseve deputatebi gaxdnen

Teatraluri institutis reqtori,

cnobili Teatrmcodne, xelovnebadmcodneobis

doqtori eTer

guguSvili, universitetis proreqtori,

filologiis mecniereba-

Ta doqtori apolon silagaZe, universitetis

profesori, filologiis

mecnierebaTa doqtori mzeqala

SaniZe, enaTmecnieri, aRmosavleTmcodne,

SemdgomSi akademikosi

Tamaz gamyreliZe, iuruidiul

mecnierebaTa kandidatebi _ mindia

ugrexeliZe da Tedo niniZe. gamomcemloba

„meranis” direqtori,

cnobili filologi guram gverdwiTeli,

akaki ZiZiguri _ sajaro

biblioTekis direqtori, manamde

televiziisa da kinostudiis direqtori

sxvadasxva dros. cnobili

mxatvari jeiran faCuaSvili, reJisori

gogi qavTaraZe _ yvela es piri

komunistebis partiuli siiT

gaxda deputati; saburTalos ma-

Joritarad gavida kinoreJisori

eldar Sengelaia, reomelic maSin

ssrk saxalxo deputatic iyo.

1995-1999 wlebis parlamenti

am parlamentSi poziciebi SeinarCuna

wina parlamentis samwerlo-filologiuri

korpusis umegamsaxurdias,

SevardnaZes, abaSiZes,

saakaSvils Tu biZinas?

mokled, Tu adre kompartia

umaRles sabWoSi svamda yvelas _

mwvelavs, meCaies, msaxiobs, sportsmens,

mecniers, axla samecniero

elitaze gaakeTa aqcenti, Tanac

iseT pirebze, romlebic araTu ma-

Sin iyvnen popularulebi, aramed

dResac, ager 30 wlis Semdegac,

yvelam icis maTi vinaoba. Tumca

erTicaa, komunistebi namdvilad

ar elodnen marcxs...

Tu mrgvali magidis siiT gasul

deputacias gadavxedavT, mivxvdebiT,

rom zviad gamsaxurdia namdvilad

cdilobda savokuri tradiciisTvis

gverdis avlas. axla,

mavani ityvis, rom zviad gamsaxurdias

inteligencia ar uWerda mxars

da amitom ar iyvnen mis siaSi

cnobili da saxelganTqmuli saxeebi.

amis mTqmeli mwared cdeba.

inteligenciis didi nawili, siwiTlidan

gamomdinare, marTlac

ar uWerda mxars zviad gamsaxurdias,

magram ar unda dagvaviwydes,

rom zviad gamsaxurdias aqtiuri

mxardamWeri iyo msoflio baletis

legenda vaxtang Wabukiani, romlis

saxeli gadawonida erTad aRebul

yvela akademikossa da „Clen-kors”,

aseve zviad gamsaxurdias mxardam-

Werebi iyvnen saxelganTqmuli kinovarskvlavebi:

lia eliava, oTar

koberiZe, leila abaSiZe, qarTuli

Teatris varskvlavi iza gigoSvili,

legendaruli mocekvave latavra

foCiani da bevri sxva popularulze

popularuli piri, magram

arc erTi uzenaesi sabWos

wevri ar gamxdara.

Tumca uzenaes sabWoSi iyvnen

pirebi, romlebic saxelganTqmulebi

brZandebodnen, magram isini

aseve aqtiurad iyvnen Cabmulni

erovnul moZraobaSi, brZolis wina

xazze idgnen da swored am niSniT

iyvnen moxvedrili uzenaes sabWo-

Si, rogorc zviad gamsaxurdias

TanamebrZolebi da ara ubralod

mxardamWrebi an megobrebi.

uzenaesi sabWos wevri iyo msoflioSi

cnobili saopero momRerali

maia TomaZe. is uzenaes sabWoSi

airCies, rogorc saqhidromSenis

maJoritari mrgvali magididan.

uzenaesi sabWos wevri iyo mrgvali

magididan zviad gamsaxurdias

TanamebrZoli, didi qarTveli poeti

muxran maWavariani, saxelgan-

Tqmuli moqandake, samxatvro akademiis

profesori gogi oCiauri,

cnobili mwerali nodar wuleiskiri,

mTargmneli da mwerali amiran

kalaZe, romelic Semdeg sastikad

awames mxedrionelebma (civ mdinareSi

dgomiT dasajes, Semdeg maleve

gardaicvala gulis SeteviT).

mrgvali magididan iyvnen kinomsaxiobTa

Teatris msaxiobi paata

baraTaSvili, mwerali da telere-

Jisori irina taliaSvili, mwerali,

reJisori da msaxiobi guram petriaSvili,

Teatrisa da radiomauwyeblobis

reJisori zurab kandelaki,

kinoreJisori aleqsandre

JRenti, telereJisori avTandil

imnaZe, rusTavis maJoritari iyo

warsulSi aWaris simRerisa da cekvis

ansamblis momRerali, helsinkis

kavSiris rusTavis ganyofilebis

Tavmjdomare Teimuraz janeliZe,

muskomediis Teatris msaxiobi

avTandil rcxilaZe, aseve mrgvali

magididan iyo „mxatvari” Tengiz

kitovani, romelic Turme 1967-69

wlebSi Tbilisis saxelmwifo sareklamo

saagentos mTavari mxatvari

iyo. uzenaesSi Sevida rogorc ma-

Joritari saburTalodan.

uzenaes sabWoSi erTaderTi

sportsmeni iyo lentexis maJoritari

mrgvali magididan _ dilar

xabuliani, Ziudoisti, evropis Cempioni,

saerTaSoriso klasis sportis

ostati, 1983-1990 wlebSi

saqarTvelos ZiudoistTa nakrebi

gundis ufrosi mwrTvneli, Tavis

droze ssrk nakrebis wevri, magram

isic, rogorc yvela sxva, uzenaes

sabWoSi moxvda ara popularobis,

aramed TanamebrZolobis niSniT.


1992-95 wlebis parlamenti gamoirCeoda

reJisorebis, mwerlebis,

poetebisa da filologebis siuxviT.

Tavad gansajeT, im mowvevis

parlamentarebi iyvnen Teatrisa

da kinos reJisori giga lorTqifaniZe,

kinoreJisorebi: Tengiz

abulaZe, eldar Sengelaia, lana

RoRoberiZe; qarTuli mwerlobis

warmomadgenlebi: Wabua amirejibi,

rezo WeiSvili, revaz jafariZe,

jansuR Carkviani, iza orjonikiZe,

geno kalandia, vaJa oTaraSvili,

aRiarebuli mTargmneli jemal

ajiaSvili, homoerosis „iliadas”

qarTulad mTargmneli roman miminoSvili,

literatori da mTargmneli

manana gigineiSvili, mwerali

da literaturaTmcodne Tengiz

buaCiZe, enaTmecnieri Tamaz gamyreliZe,

filologebi: nodar na-

TaZe, kote gabaSvili, filologi

da filosofosi. filosofiis mecnierebaTa

doqtori vaxtang goguaZe.

im parlamentSi iyo ori mxatvari

_ zurab wereTeli da Tengiz

kitovani. aseve telediqtori

mark rivkini da „televizionSiki”

luiza SakiaSvili.

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msaxiobi hyavda parlamentSi

tesma warmomadgenelma. am mowvevis

parlamentSi ukve „moqkavSiris” siiT

xvdebian jansuR Carkviani, jemal

ajiaSvili, Tamaz gamyreliZe,

manana gigineiSvili, roman miminoSvili,

vaxtang goguaZe, geno kalandia.

aseve smk-s siiT xvdebian parlamentSi

reJisorebi: lana RoRoberiZe,

eldar Sengelaia, giga

lorTqifaniZe. da, ai, saqarTvelos

parlamentarizmis istoriaSi pirvelad

xdeba is, rasac axla ukiJineben

biZina ivaniSvils kaWarava-sanikiZis

gamo. eduard SevardnaZem

parlamentSi maJoritarebad Semoiyvana

ori saxelovani sportsmeni

_ sagarejos maJoritarad legendaruli

qarTveli moWidave levan

TediaSvili _ olimpiuri TamaSebis

orgzis Cempioni WidaobaSi (1972,

1976 wlebSi); msoflios oTxgzis

Cempioni (1971, 1973, 1974, 1975) da

evropis samgzis Cempioni (1974,

1976, 1978). msoflio Tasis mflobeli

(1973).

naZaladevis maJoritarad ki

saxelganTqmuli fexburTeli manuCar

maCaiZe.

1995-99 wlebis parlaments

kidev erTi maJoritari sportsmeni

hyavda _ vakis maJoritar, moWidave

dilar xabulianis saxiT, magram

xabuliani smk-s maJoritari

ar yofila, parlamentSi fraqcia

leiboristis wevri iyo.


1999-2004 wlebis parlamentSi

gagrZelda sportsmenebis gadeputatebis

tradicia, asparezze

gamoCndnen msaxiobebic, filologebis

klasteri Semcirda da maT

Caenacvla filolog-redaqtorebisa

da Jurnalistebis klasteri.

Tavad gansajeT, „moqkavSiris” siiT

deputati gaxda gazeT „kavkasionis”

damfuZnebeli da redaqtori

vasil maRlaferiZe, parlamentSi

borjomis maJoritarad iyo cnobili

literatori, Jurnalisti,

redaqtori nodar grigalaSvili.

„aRorZinebis” siiT Jurnalisti

giorgi TargamaZe, aseve aRmosavleTmcodne

da cnobili redaqtori

(almanaxi „kritika”, gazeTi

„literaturuli saqarTvelo”,

„saqarTvelos samreklo”) elizbar

javeliZe.

smk-s maJoritari iyo mTamwindaze

arCil gogelia _ cnobili Jurnalisti,

araerTi gazeTis redaqtori,

romelic aseve iyo cnobili

mofarikave _ sportis ostati

farikaobaSi. saqarTvelos nakrebis

wevri da saqarTvelos araergzis

Cempioni, ssrk Cempionatis vercxlisa

da brinjaos medlebis

mflobeli, ssrk profkavSirTa

spartakiadis Cempioni, ssrk Tasis

finalisti. iyo farikaobis federaciis

prezidenti.

mofarikave gegelias garda smks

siiT deputati gaxda jano bagrationi

_ xelburTeli, mwvrTneli,

TamaSobda Tbilisis „burevestnik-

Si”, iyo ssrk Cempioni (1964), „gepeis”

fizaRzrdisa da sportis kaTedris

gamge, Tbilisis sportkomitetis

Tavmjdomare, saqarTvelos

sportkomitetis Tavmjdomaris

moadgile, sportisa da turizmis

ministris moadgile, olimpiuri

komitetis prezidenti. smk-is partiuli

siiT kvlav deputati gaxda

legendaruli moWidave levan

TediaSvili.

„moqkavSirs” arc „mrewvelebi”

CamorCnen da tatamze gamoiyvanes

legendaruli qarTveli moWidave

(berZnul-romauli stili) roman

rurua _ mexikos olimpiuri

TamaSebis Cempioni (1968 w.), msoflios

oTxgzis Cempioni (1966, 1967,

1969, 1970)...

sportsmenebis klasterSi mokrZalebulad

Caewera xaSuris

maJoritari, warsulSi moWidave da

fizkulturis maswavlebeli, biznesmeni

valeri gelaSvili, romelsac

fizkulturis instituti

aqvs damTavrebuli, da odesRac

bavSvebis mwvrTnelic iyo vilniusSi

Tavisufal WidaobaSi. magram

is misma fulma gaamaJoritara da

ara _ sportulma warmatebebma.

„moqkavSiris” siiT kvlav deputatebi

gaxdnen wina mowvevebis

parlamentarebi: Tamaz gamyreliZe,

geno kalandia, jansuR Carkviani,

eldar Sengelaia.

smk-is poetebis kvotiT parlamentSi

moxvda daTo maRraZe. smkis

siiT parlamentari gaxda cnobili

msaxiobi, soxumis Teatris

samxatvro xelmZRvaneli dima jaiani,

„aRorZinebis” siiiT ki qarTuli

kinos varskvlavi _ zurab qafianiZe.

ise, unda iTqvas, rom am

mowvevis parlamentSi cnobili

personebiT manevrirebas mimarTa

aslan abaSiZemac _ ukve xsnebul

zurab qafianiZis, elizbar javeliZisa

da giorgi TargamaZis garda,

„aRorZinebis” siiT deputatebi

gaxdnen didi qarTveli poeti muxran

maWavariani, cnobili mwerali

revaz miSvelaZe, cnobili literatori,

filologiis mecnierebaTa

doqtori, universitetis profesori

soso sigua, cnobili politmimomxilveli

da istorikosi givi

boloTaSvili da rac mTavaria,

saxelganTqmuli qarTveli infeqcionisti

vaxtang boWoriSvili _

ssrk medicinis mecnierebaTa akademiis

wevr-korespondenti, saqar-

Tvelos medicinis akademiis namdvili

wevri, romelic, sxvaTa Soris,

eqimobamde iyo Telavis

Teatris msaxiobi, swavlobda Teatralur

institutSi, iyo rusTavelis

Teatris dasis gamge, Semdeg

soxumis Teatris reJisori.


am mowvevis parlamentSi, iseve

rogorc wina mowvevisaSi, eul re-

Jisorad ijda kvlav eldar Sengelaia,

amjerad ukve „nacebis” siiT.

mas aRarc cnobili msaxiobebi umSvenebdnen

gverds. am mowvevis parlamentSi

erTi msaxiobi iyo _ merab

bocvaZe, romelic 1974-94 wleb-

Si muSaobda mozardmayurebelTa

Teatrisa da filarmoniis msaxiobad.

cxadia, is siaSi msaxiobobis

gamo aravis Causvams, partiuli

damsaxurebis gamo Casves _ enm-is

samgoris organizaciis Tavmjdomare

iyo. saxelovnebo sferodan

enm-is siaSi iyo da deputati

gaxda Teatraluri universitetis

profesori zviad doliZe.

parlamentSi enm-is siiT moxvda,

magram maleve sxvagan daniSnes

„saxis” wevri goga xaCiZe. ganaTlebiT

is biologi da Semdeg Jurnalistic

iyo, muSaobda kidec presa-televiziaSi,

magram mas „saxiT”

naSovni popularoba ufro Seewia,

vidre sxva ram.

axalma xelisuflebam gadaibara

eduard SevardnaZis aRorZinebuli

savokuri tradicia _ parlamentSi

sportsmenebis Seyvanis.

parlamentSi krwanisis maJoritarad

Sevida saxelganTqmuli

qarTveli Zalosani giorgi asani-

Ze. mis gadeputatebas win uZRoda

triumfaluri gamarjvevebi: 2000

wlis olimpiadaze brinjaos medali

moipova, 2001 wels msoflio

Cempioni gaxda, 2004 wels olimpiadaze

moipova oqros medali.

mis garda enm-is siiT deputati

gaxda cnobili qarTveli fexburTeli

da mwvrTneli vladimer

gucaevi. aseve enm-is siaSi iyo da

deputatic gaxda cnobili mTamsvleli

gia TorTlaZe. TorTlaZe

istoriis mecnierebaTa doqtoricaa

da arqeologiis kvleviTi centris

mecnier-TanamSromelic iyo,

magram farTo sazogadoebaSi is

zeviT siarulTan _ everestis

dalaSqvrasTan asocirdeba da ara

qvemoT, miwaSi TxrasTan _ arqeologiasTan.


am mowvevis parlaments re-

Jisori aRar hyavda, Tu ar CavTvliT

qarTveli „pazolinis” _ goga

xaindravas xanmokle, orkvirian

gaelvebas iq miusvlelad. sxvebTan

erTad uari Tqva mandatze.

giorgi asaniZe amjerad gldanis

maJoritari iyo enm-dan. mTasvleli

TorTlaZe amjerad ukve

gaerTianebuli opoziciis siiT

avida sakanonmdeblo mwvervalze.

dilar xabuliani ki enm-is mxardaWeriT

gaxda krwanisis maJoritari.

enm-is siiT parlamentis deputati

gaxda mixeil TumaniSvilis

Teatris wamyvani msaxiobi gia

roiniSvili. enm-is maJoritari iyo

ozurgeTidan cnobili qarTveli

musikosi anzor erqomaiSvili _

ansambl „rusTavis” direqtori da

samxatvro xelmZRvaneli.

ai, Salva naTelaSvilma sxva

popularuli veravin iSova da leiboristuli

siiT filarmoniis

ansambl „75"-is solisti, cnobili

momRerali nugzar ergemliZe

gaadeputata.


biZina ivaniSvilma, rasac hqvia,

aayvava sabWoTa tradicia _ popularuli

personebis gadeputatebis

tradicia. parlamenti gaavso

sportsmenebiTa da artistebiT.

sportsmenebiT daviwyoT:

axmetis meocnebe maJoritari _

olimpiuri Cempioni, Ziudositi

zurab zviadauri; samtrediis ma-

Joritari iyo fexburTeli kaxi

kalaZe; krwanisis _ saxelganTqmuli

Ziudoisti SoTa xabareli;

qarelis _ qarTveli moWidave,

olimpiuri Cempioni leri xabelovi;

siiT gadeputatda Ziudoisti

Tengiz xubuluri; mogvianebiT

parlamentSi Sevida Tavisufali

stiliT moWidave, msofliosa da

evropis mravalgzis Cempioni eldar

kurtaniZe; am sportsmenebTan

valeri gelaSvilis sportsmenoba

cota Rimilismomgvreli ki aris,

magram isic meocnebe maJoritari

gaxda xaSuridan;

gldanis maJorotari iyo soso

jaWvliani _ Tan msaxiobi da re-

Jisori da Tan sportsmeni _ mklav-

Wideli. is simbolurad aerTianebda

biZina ivaniSvilis sportulartistul

karnavals.

jaWvlians gverds umSvenebdnen

zestafonis maJoritari, msaxiobi

da reJisori gogi qavTaraZe, qocnebis

partiuli siiT gasuli re-

Jisori aleqsandre (nukri) qanTaria

da TumaniSvilis Teatris msaxiobi

paata baraTaSvili. mTawmindis

maJoritari gaxda eatrisa da

kinos msaxiobi zaza papuaSvili,

romlis artistobas, ratomRac,

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xolme da mxolod „siyvaruli venaxSi”

da „midioda matarebelTan”

aigiveben, arada, zaza papuaSvili

rusTavelis Teatris wamyvani msaxiobi

iyo, wlebis manZilze masze

idga repertuari, yvelafers rom

Tavi davaneboT, gansaxierebuli

aqvs makbeti, hamleti...

Coxatauris maJoritari iyo

„qarTuli xmebis” solisti Teimuraz

Wkuaseli, onis _ axmetelis

Teatris msaxiobi Tamaz jafariZe.

nacebs 2012-2016 wlebis parlamentSi

aRarc sportsmeni hyoliaT

vinme da aRarc _ artisti, Tu ar

CavTvliT isev goga xaCiZes, ai, bebiaCemis

qaliSvilobaSi rom mReroda

„saxeSi”... imanac Semdeg qoSi

(Tu girCi) ukuRma yara da enm-dan

gaqusla...

2016-2020 wlebis, anu moqmedi

parlamenti

moqmed parlamentSi „meocnebe”

maJoritarebad Sevidnen moragbe

biZina gegiZe, fexburTelebi levan

kobiaSvili da mixeil yavelaSvili,

moWidaveebi SoTa xabareli da Tengiz

xubuluri. leri xabelovi

amjerad ukve siiT gaxda deputati,

iseve rogorc valeri gelaSvili.

saxelovnebo sferodan maJoritarebad

gavidnen msaxiobi zaza

papuaSvili da „vakis parkis” zaza

xuciSvili, siiT - reJisori aleqsandre

qanTaria da „qarTuli xmebis”

Teimuraz Wkuaseli. am parlamentSi

„nacmoZraobis” siiT ar gasula

arc erTi artisti da sportsmeni.

gasaTvaliswinebelia isic, rom

2008 wlidan deputatebis ricxvi

150-mde Semcirda. amis fonze is,

rac „ocnebis” xelSi moxda, mar-

Tlac rom im savokuri tradiciis

aRorZinebaa, roca cnobili pirebis

popularobas partiul miznebs

uqvemdebareben da xalxis sayvarel

sportsmenebs Tavis partiul samkaulebad

aqceven.

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TaRliTuri gziT qonebis warT-

meva Cvens realobaSi sakmaod xSiria. istoria, romelsac amj-

erad mogiyvebiT, ara mxolod TaRliTuri gziT sakuTrebis

warTmevas, aramed am procesSi mosamarTlisa da iusticiis min-

istris yofili moadgilis monawileobas exeba. mixeil RonRaZe

wlebia, qonebis dasabruneblad ibrZvis, Tumca uSedegod.

ufro konkretulad „qroni-

ka+~ reJisor mixeil RonRaZes

esaubra:

_ ara mgonia, msgavsi ram samarTlis

istoriaSi momxdariyos.

ori uzenaesi sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba

arsebobs, romelic

Cemma ojaxma moigo. amis Semdeg,

Cawyobili sasamarTloTi,

mainc wamarTves saxli _ am or

uzenaes sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas

gadaaxtnen.

sul Tavidan rom daviwyoT,

babuaCemma TbilisSi samsarTuliani

saxli aaSena Tavisi ezo-

Ti. es xalxi pirvel sarTulze

cxovrobda qiriT. garda amisa,

babuaCems kidev ori oTaxi hqonda

dagiravebuli. 1973 wels, ar

vici ra meqanizmiT, am ojaxma

moaxerxa da oci aTas maneTad

TaRliTuri gziT moatyua babua-

Cemi da qveda sarTuli miayidina.

babuaCemi wers, rom arc ki

vici, rogor gadaiformes saxli,

magram raRas vizamdio? ori

wlis Semdeg am ojaxma babuaCems

uTxra, rom meore sarTuls da

mTlianad saxls asi aTas maneTad

viyidiT da Tanxas or weliwadSi

gadavixdiTo. es Tanxa ara or,

aramed 11 weliwadSi ver gadaixades.

am TerTmeti wlis ganmavlobaSi

gadaixades mxolod 92

aTasi maneTi, aqedan 10 aTasi iyo

dagvianebis, anu sabolood _ 82

aTasi. babuaCemma maT uTxra, rom

vinaidan es Tanxa or weliwadSi

ver gadaixades, am wlebTan er-

Tad saxlis fasmac moimatao.

babuCemi gabrazda, roca gaigo,

rom vals ver faravdnen da am

yvelafris paralelurad, werovanSi

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SeTanxmdnen, rom 100 aTasis magivrad

150 aTass gadaixdidnen. aq

ukve babuaCemma Tqva, rom saxls

mxolod im SemTxvevaSi gadauformebda,

Tu Tanxas eqvs TveSi

dafaravdnen.

sadRac 6 Tvis Semdeg es ojaxi

movida da Tqva, rom fuli aRar

gvaqvs, rogorc gvegona da saxls

veRar vyidulobT, amitom

Cveni Tanxa ukan dagvibruneTo.

maT babuaCems xelwerilis dawera

mosTxoves. babuaCemma daw-


mixeil

RonRaZe:

`mTeli

saxelmwifo

manqana

mebrZvis~

ìusticiis ministris

moadgilis CarTulobiT

saxli wamarTves~

era, rom rogorc ki saxls gayidida,

maT kuTvnil Tanxas daubrunebda.

es xelwerili babuaCemma

1986 wlis 28 aprils dawera.

xelwerilidan ori kviris Semdeg

ukve sasamarTlo procesi iyo

daniSnuli. isini wavidnen da

iCivles, TiTqos es saxli maT

ekuTvnodaT. rogorc giTxariT,

babuaCemma mxolod erTi xelwerili

dawera da maT sasamarTlo-

Si xuTi yalbi xelwerili waradgines,

sasamarTlomac daamtkica.

aRsaniSnavia, rom swored

doliZis mama (romelic amJamad

cocxali aRar aris) monawileobda

TaRliTuri gziT qonebis misakuTrebaSi.

es kaci, vinc Cveni

qonebis misakuTrebas cdilobda,

Tavad TaRliTobasa da gayalbebaze

sami weli cixeSi ijda.

_ ra gadawyvetileba miiRo

uzenaesma sasamarTlom?

_ amis Semdeg babuaCemi janmrTelobis

mdgomareobis damZimebis

gamo mamaCemTan gadavida

sacxovreblad, ra drosac

doliZeebi Cvens saxlSi SeiWrnen

da mizanmimarTulad daangries

iqauroba, xolo rac ki aveji da

nivTebi iyo, moipares. 1991 wels

uzenaesma sasamarTlom doliZeebis

moTxovna saxlis yidva-gayidvis

xelSekrulebis cnobis

Sesaxeb uaryo usafuZvlobis

gamo. doliZeebis ojaxma kategoriuli

uari ganacxada Tanxis

ukan dabrunebaze. uzenaesi sasamarTlos

gadawyvetilebis miuxedavad,

isini daJinebiT iTxovdnen

saxls. dedaCemma es Tanxa, 92

aTasi maneTi, 1994 wels, vakis

raionis aRsrulebaSi gadaixada.

miuxedavad imisa, rom saxli ukve

falavandiSvilis saxelze unda

yofiliyo, TaRliTuri gziT

doliZeebma saxli gadaiformes,

ris Semdegac isev mogviwia sasamarTlo

dava da 2004 wels uzenaesma

sasamarTlom ZalaSi datova

1991 wels miRebuli gadawyvetileba.

saxlis gadasaformeblad

teqbiuroSi saxlis Rirebulebis

10% mogvTxoves, rac,

daaxloebiT, 30 aTasi dolari

gamodioda. im periodSi am Tanxis

gadaxdis saSualeba ar gvqonda,

amitom ver movaxerxeT saxlis

gadaformeba. wlebis Semdeg

kanoni Seicvala da saxlis gadaformeba

ukve 50 lari Rirda da

2009 wels es saxli gadmoviformeT.

Tumca aRmoCnda, rom

1995 wels doliZeebs qveda sarTuli

gauyidiaT. am wlebis ganmavlobaSi

es ucxo xalxi Cems

saxlSi cxovrobda. amis Sesaxeb

informacia ar mqonda. sabolood,

sacxoovreblad Cems kuTvnil

saxlSi 2011 wels Sevedi,

Tumca doliZe da is piri, viszedac

doliZeebma Cemi saxli gayides,

ver gavasaxle, radgan isini

sasamarTloSi miCiodnen. 2012

wels saapelacio sasamarTlom

gamamtyuna, _ fuli ar gadagixdiao

da doliZe mosargeble pirad

aRiara. am gadawyvetilebis

safuZvelze 2015 wels gamomasaxles.

amis Semdeg es gadawyvetileba

uzenaes sasamarTloSi gavasa-

Civre, razedac uzenaesma ganacxada,

rom es sakiTxi sasamarTlosTvis

ganviTarebis perspeqtivas

ar warmoadgens, radgan

ori uzenaesis gadawyvetileba

ZalaSiao. amis Semdeg, 2015 wels,

saaRsruleblo furceli aRsrulebaSi

gadaagzavnes da doliZeebze

mTliani saxli gadaaformes.

me 5 Tve vicxovre Cems

saxlSi da bolos policiam saxlidan

gamomasaxla.

_ ra moimoqmedeT mas Semdeg,

rac saxlidan gamogasaxles?

_ iusticiis sabWoSi gancxadeba

Sevitane, rom doliZem TaRliTuri

gziT wamarTva qoneba da

rom am saqmeze uzenaesi sasamarTlos

ori gadawyvetilebaa mi-

Rebuli, Tumca reagireba dRemde

ar hqoniaT. sasamarTloSi

orjer Sevitane sarCeli, magram

`qarTuli ocnebis~ pirvel nomrad gvevlineba

gaxaria, romelic Tavidan bolomde

daqvemdebarebulia ivaniSvilis erTpirovnul

mmarTvelobas danarCen kandidatebTan erTad,

romelTa erTobliobac qmnis uideologio,

prorusul da antisaxelmwifoebriv

gaerTianebas, ramac Zalian mZime Sedegebamde

miiyvana saxelmwifo da qarTuli sazogadoeba~

ar miiRes. prokuraturac

analogiurad iqceva.

_ riT xsniT im

faqts, rom Sesabamis

uwyebebs aranairi rea-

gireba ar aqvs?

_ es saqme iseT donezea

Cawyobili, rom sagamoZiebo

uwyebebi ar

reagireben. konkretulad

ki doliZeebis advokati

iyo Tea wulukianis

moadgile da axla

ukve „qarTuli ocnebis”

proporciuli siis me-9

nomeri, mixeil sarjvelaZe,

romlis CarTulobiTac

wamarTves saxli.

saqmeSi aseve CarTuli

iyo saapelacio sasamarTloSi

miRebuli gadawyvetilebis

kolegiis

Tavmjdomare aleqsandre

ioseliani, romelmac,

pirdapir SegviZlia

vTqvaT, yalbi dokumenti

waradgina, radgan

uzenaesi sasamarTlos

ori gadawyvetileba ar

gaiTvaliswina, mas Tavze

gadaaxta. mTeli saxelmwifo

manqana mebrZvis.

2003 wels saapelacio sasamarTlos

gadawyvetilebaSi gansxvavebuli

azri dawera mosamar-

Tle xaTuna arevaZem, rom TiTqos

Cveni gadasaxdeli Tanxa depozitze

unda Segvetena. 1994

wels banki saerTod ar arsebobda,

Sesabamisad, Tanxas depozitze

ver SevitandiT. Tavidanve

cxadi iyo, rom arevaZe doliZeebis

interesebs emsaxureboda.

veWvob, seriozuli korufcia

iyo. mosamarTle arevaZe am saqme-

Si 2012 wlamde figurirebda.

ukve 22 welia, naqiraveb bina-

Si vcxovrob, imis nacvlad, rom

sakuTar saxlSi viyo. am xuTi

wlis ganmavlobaSi arc erTi wu-

TiT ar gavrCerebulvar da vibrZvi

Cemi kerZo sakuTrebis dasabruneblad,

rac memkvidreobiT

mekuTvnis. kanonieri mesakuTre

vxovrob quCaSi da Cawyobili, gayalbebuli,

korufciiT yaCaRurad

warTmeuli qonebis dabrunebas

vcdilob. imedi maqvs, am qveyanaSi

samarTali izeimebs, ase

didxans ar gagrZeldeba da mar-

Tali, patiosani adamianebi, ase

Tavxedurad rom arTmeven saxlkars

usamarTlod, gaimarjveben.

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sul ufro cota dro rCeba. Tumca winasaarCevno kampania

sakmaod mdored miedineba. yovel SemTxvevaSi sazogadoe-

bis did nawils ar aqvs gancda, rom mniSvnelovan arCevnebamde

or Tveze naklebia darCenili.

politikisa da arCevnebis

mimarT axalgazrdebs rom nihilisturi

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aqvT, es Cveni qveynis magaliTze

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axalgazrdebi pasiurebi arian

da maTi sakmaod didi nawili

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Tavs ikavebs.

bolo periodSi ganviTarebulma

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20 ivnisis aqciebma da proporciuli

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gaaZliera. aRmoCnda, rom

msgavsi sakiTxebis mimarT axalma

Taobam interesi gamoavlina.

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aqve unda aRvniSnoT isic,

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iTvaliswineben axalgazrdebis

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rogoria politikuri viTareba

arCevnebis moaxloebisas?

ra formiT arian CarTulebi

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mesamed xelisuflebis Senar-

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Sesaxeb „qronika+” rubrika

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garemos? sazogadoeb-

is umravlesobas aRqma aqvs,

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anxmebiT am mosazrebas?

_ 2012 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebis Sedegad saqarTveloSi

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Seicvala xelisufleba,

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nabiji iyo. 2020-is arCevnebi

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testi da sazomia saqarTvelo-

Si demokratiis xarisxisa. saarCevno

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mimdinareobs, Tumca wina arCevnebisgan

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rigi axali problemebia dRis

wesrigSi, romlis gaTvaliswinebiTac

arsebobs sxvadasxva

xelis SemSleli piroba da

mas gverds ver avuvliT, radgan

saqme exeba adamianebis janmrTelobas.

ver dageTanxmebiT

winasaarCevno samzadisis pasiurobaSi,

radgan Zalian bevri

adamiani 24-saaTian reJimSi

muSaobs istoriuli mniSvnelobis

arCevnebSi samarTlianad

gamarjvebisTvis.

_ fiqrobT Tu ara, rom koronaviruss

xelisufleba saTavisod

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ebT Tu ara gazrdil statis-

tikas arCevnebis moaxloebas?

_ ori azri ar aris am Tezis

faqtad qcevaSi da imaSi, rom

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statia, romelmac

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radgan „kovid-

19-s” emateba gripis sezonuri

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Zalian cud Sedegebamde migviyvans,

Tu, ra Tqma unda, mmarTvel

gunds (risic me samarTlianad

ar mjera) winaswari zomebi

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Tuli ocnebis” sia?

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ocnebis” pirvel nomrad

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Tavidan bolomde daqvemdebarebulia

ivaniSvilis erTpirovnul

mmarTvelobas danarCen

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Ta erTobliobac qmnis uideologio,

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ramac Zalian mZime Sedegebamde

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Tuli sazogadoeba. 8 welia,

rac xelisufleba ivaniSvilis

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„qarTul ocnebaSi” saxelebi,

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usityvod Sesrulebas

moicavs.

_ am yvelafris paralelu-

rad ki opoziciam ver SeZlo

erTobis SenarCuneba, maT

Soris, saerTo maJoritari

kandidatebis nawilSi. rogor

fiqrobT, ratom?

_ upirveles yovlisa, aRvni-

Snav, rom dRes saqarTvelos

Zalian mravalferovani opozicia

hyavs, rac TiToeul moqalaqes

komforts uqmnis da uadvilebs

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am mravalferovnebidan,

gansxvavebuli Sexedulebebidan

Tu politikuri ideologiebidan

gamomdinareobs garkveulwilad

da rig sakiTxebSi

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yvelaze mniSvnelovan sakiTxSi

opozicia Sejerebuli,

SeTanxmebuli da erTiania _

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`qarTuli ocneba~

ver SeZlebs

parlamentSi

hegemonad darCenas~

arCevnebSi umravlesobis mopoveba!

proporciul nawilSi ki,

bunebrivia, unda iyos konkurencia,

partiaTaSorisi gansxvavebebis

aRqma da partiuli

winasaarCevno programis demonstracia.

_ ra rols asrulebs saakaS-

vilis faqtori winasaarCevnod

da iwvevs Tu ara misi gancxa-

debebi polarizebas?

_ mixeil saakaSvili erT-er-

Ti mowinaaRmdegea ivaniSvilis

mmarTvelobis. calsaxad gasaTvaliswinebelia

misi da „nacionaluri

moZraobis” eleqtorati,

Tumca verc erTi partia

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Tvelo”, „nacionaluri moZraoba”

Tu sxva opoziciuri gaer-

Tianeba) ver SeZlebs sasurvelis

miRebas individualuri

TamaSiT.

_ „evropulma saqarTvelom”

broSurebic ki daariga imi-

sTvis, rom amomrCevels dae-

naxa, ra gansxvavebaa maTsa da

„qarTul ocnebas”, aseve „nac-

ionalur moZraobas” Soris.

Tqven rogor aRiqvamT am gan-

sxvavebas?

_ „evropuli saqarTvelos”

mTavari mizani Tavisufali adamianebis

sazogadoebis ganvi-

Tarebaa saqarTveloSi, koaliciuri

mTavrobis Seqmna da evroatlantikur

sivrceSi swrafi

integracia, rasac, vfiqrob,

Rirseulad da pasuxismgeblobiT

gaarTmeven Tavs. dReisTvis

es yvelaze misaRebi ideologiis

mqone politikuri gaerTianebaa

CemTvis.

_ ra Sansebi aqvs „evropuli

saqarTvelodan” vakis ma-

Joritari deputatobis kandi-

dat elene xoStarias?

_ rac Seexeba elene xoStarias,

romlis StabSiac var da

winasaarCevnod vexmarebi, obieqturad

vfiqrob, rom didi

Sansebi gvaqvs arCevnebis pirvelive

turSi gamarjvebis, radgan

elene Zalian Rirseuli,

`saxelisuflebo gundi

yvelanair resurss

saTavisod gamoiyenebs~

Sromismoyvare, pasuxismgebliani

da principuli kandidatia.

vakesa da saburTalos garkveul

nawils gaumarTla.

_ zogadad, axalgazrdebi

nihilisturad arian ganwyobili

arCevnebis mimarT. ra SegiZliaT

TqvaT 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebze, Secv-

lilia Tu ara axalgazrdebis

damokidebuleba?

_ 2020-is arCevnebi istoriuli

xasiaTis arCevnebia. aq

aucileblad unda gavixsenoT

20 ivnisis Semdeg ganviTarebuli

faqtebi da is lomis wili,

romelic sazogadoebis axalgazrda

nawilma sakuTari janmrTelobisa

da nervebis xarjze

davdeT. imedia, subieqturobaSi

ar CamiTvliT Tu

vityvi, rom saarCevno cvlilebebisTvis

brZolaSi samoqalaqo

seqtorma (sadac axalgazrdebi

sxvadasxva jgufSi

erTi miznis irgvliv gaverTiandiT)

politikosebTan da

saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobas-

Tan erTad moipova gamarjveba.

Sesabamisad, principulad mniSvnelovania

CvenTvis arCevnebSi

warmateba da didi interesiTa

da mondomebiT vakvirdebiT da

vmonawileobT winasaarCevno

saqmianobaSi.

_ romeli partia iTvaliswinebs

winasaarCevnod axal-

gazrdebis interesebs?

_ vfiqrob, TiToeuli partiis

interesSi unda Sediodes

axlgazrdebisTvis kargi memkvidreobis

gadacema, maTi xedvebis

gaTvaliswineba, TanamSromloba,

swavleba Tu magali-

Tis micema, rac, bunebrivia, upirveles

yovlisa, saxelmwifoebriv

interesebSia da TviTon

partiebisTvisac kargia, rodesac

Rirseul da ganaTlebul

adamianebs zrdi da uSveb politikur

asparezze. aris ramdenime

partia, romelic cdilobs

axalgazrdebTan TanamSroblobas,

Tumca vis rogor

gamosdis, sakiTxavia. me kmayofili

var.

_ rogoria Tqveni prognozi,

SeZlebs Tu ara „qarTuli

ocneba” umravlesobiT xe-

lisuflebaSi mosvlas?

_ „qarTuli ocneba” veravi-

Tar SemTxvevaSi ver SeZlebs

umravlesobis SenarCunebas da

mesame vadiT hegemonad darCenas

parlamentSi, Tumca gansxvavebiT

wina mowvevis parlamentebisgan,

saarCevno cvlilebebidan

gamomdinare, romelsac

rogorc yvelafers aqvs Tavisi

xarvezi, ivaniSvilis Camocileba

ar iqneba is, rac aqamde

xelisuflebis cvlilebas niSnavda.

eSmaki detalebSia, Sesabamisad,

omis dasrulebis Semdeg

mSvidobis unda gveSinodes,

radgan rigi Tavsatexebi

eqnebaT erTmaneTisgan gansxvavebuli

ideologiis mqone

partiebs amosaxsneli da gadasalaxi.

Tumca, amave dros, saqarTveloSi

politikuri kulturis

CamoyalibebisTvis Zalian

kargi procesebi iwyeba,

rac, bunebrivia, saxelmwifosa

da qarTuli sazogadoebisTvis

gardamtex da umniSvnelovanes

cvlilebebs moitans.

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daibada sofel WioraSi. sporti

da xatva bavSvobidanve uyvarda.

patara biWs Zala ise erCoda,

rom mSoblebma gadawyvites, meeqvse

klasidan gamoeyvanaT da TbilisSi,

gldanis sportuli profilis

skola-internatSi SeeyvanaT.

momavali sportsmenti berZnulromauli

stilis Widaobis seqcia-

Si Sevida da sportul karieraSi

garkveul warmatebasac miaRwia.

aris sportis ostati berZnulromaul

da Tavisufal WidaobaSi;

iyo saqarTvelos Cempioni,

saqarTvelos, ukrainisa da yofili

sabWoTa kavSiris nakrebTa gundebis

wevri, Tumca erTma sabediswero

varjiSma moskovSi Tavdayira

daayena avTandil (nodar) rexviaSvilis

cxovreba.

gagikvirdebaT da warmatebuli

sportsmeni bavSvobidanve araCveulebrivad

xatavda, Tumca misi niWi

araTu vinme ucxom, ojaxis wevrmac

ki ar icoda. mogvianebiT, mose ToiZis

saxelobis samxatvro saswavlebeli

daamTavra. paralelurad,

mxatvrobaSic aRwevda warmatebebs:

1987 wels xalxuri Semoqmedebis

meore sakavSiro festivalis laureati

gaxda ferweraSi.

saqarTvelos politeqnikuri

institutis manqanaTmSeneblobis

fakultetis damTavrebis Semdeg

araerT sapasuxismgeblo samsaxur-

Si mouwia yofna, magaliTad, rogoricaa

saqarTvelos Tavdacvis saministro,

sadac is kadrebis mTavari

sammarTvelos meore ganyofilebis

ufrosis moadgile iyo,

aseve gaxldaT samxedro sazRvao

Zalebis kadrebis ganyofilebis

ufrosis moadgile da ufrosis

movaleobis Semsrulebeli.

nodar rexviaSvili foTis samxedro

sazRvao Zalebis „CrdiloeTis

raionis” kadrebis ufrosad

muSaobda. iyo Tavdacvis saministros

lojistikis marTvis centris,

kancelariisa da kadrebis ganyofilebis

ufrosi da iv. javaxiSvilis

saxelobis Tbilisis saxelmwifo

universitetis samxedro kaTedris

saswavlo nawilis ufrosis

moadgile.

mokled, rogorc saubris dasawyisSi

aRvniSne, misi biografia

imdenad didi da mravalferovania,

rom amis mosayolad intervius es

formati namdvilad ar gveyofa.

aqve getyviT imasac, rom baton

avTandil (nodar) rexviaSvils,

samxedro aRmSeneblobis saqmeSi

Setanili gansakuTrebuli wvlilisTvis,

orjer vadaze adre mieni-

Wa kapitnisa da maioris wodeba.

„qronika+~-sTan saubrisas respondenti

ambobs, rom xatva misi

cxovrebis mniSvnelovani nawilia.

36


Zalovani struqturidan _ xelovnebaSi

rubrika „saintereso adamianis”

giorgi sakaruli

farglebSi „qronika+~ gagacnobT

555 42 42 81

personas, romlis dosie da cxovrebiseuli

istoria mravalferovania.

swored SesavalSi mogiyvebiT im mamakacis Sesaxeb, rom-

lis fesvebic onis raionidan modis.

gagikvirdebaT da maSin, rodesac

avTandil (nodar) rexviaSvilis

pirveli personaluri gamofena

saqarTvelos parlamentis erovnuli

biblioTekis sagamofeno darbazSi

moewyo, mas arc erTi naxati

ar gauyidia. Tu ratom, amas qvemoT

gaigebT.

Cveni saubari ki, ra Tqma unda,

misi bavSvobidan daviwyeT:

_ davibade onis raionis sofel

WioraSi. meeqvse klasamde vswavlobdi

soflis skolaSi, Semdeg

mSoblebma TbilisSi Camiyvanes da

gldanis sportskolaSi Semiyvanes,

romelic davamTavre Widaobis

ganxriT. sxvaTa Soris, am skolam

Zalian bevri warmatebuli sportsmeni

aRzarda, _ msofliosa da

evropis Cempionebi. viyavi sportis

ostati berZnul-romaul da

Tavisufal WidaobaSi aseve saqarTvelos

Cempioni, saqarTvelos,

ukrainisa da yofili sabWoTa kav-

Siris nakrebTa gundebis wevri.

_ sabWoTa kavSiris masStabiT

bevri gasvliTi Sejibreba geqne-

bodaT.

_ ra Tqma unda. moskovSi Sekreba

gvqonda, gare stadionze

varjiSobis dros majaze travma

miviRe. Cemi partniorisTvis rom

ar mimeyenebina travma, me wavedi

dacemaze da mxari daviziane. rom

ara es avbediTi SemTxveva, erT kviraSi

ukve sazRvargareT miwevda

wasvla Sejibrze.

_ ratom daindeT Tqveni mew-

yvile?

_ aseTi bunebis var, damndobi.

merCivna, Cemi TavisTvis mimeyenebina

ziani da ara _ sxvisTvis.

_ ratom, es xom sportia? Tqveni

kariera, momavali da warmate-

buli cxovreba ferxdeboda?

_ namdvilad, magram im wams ase

gadavwyvite da bevri ram ver gav-

Tvale.

_ SeiZleba iTqvas, rom erTma

sabediswero varjiSma, faqtobri-

vad, Secvala da daasrula Tqveni

sportuli kariera.

_ diax. zogadad, arsebobs

sportuli iRbali, romelic, samwuxarod,

me ar aRmomaCnda.

_ ar imoqmeda am yvelaferma

Tqvenze?

_ rogor ara. tiriliT wamovedi

moskovidan.

_ ra gancda dageuflaT im

momentSi?

_ saSineli. Zalian rTuli aRmo-

Cnda imis gaazreba, rom yvelaferi

CameSala. zustad erT kviraSi

sazRvargareT mivdiodi Sejibrze.

_ sakuTar Tavs ar adana-

SaulebdiT?

_ diax, raRac-raRacebSi vadan-

avTandil rexviaSvili:

`tiloebsa da

saRebavebs pensiiT

vyidulob~

aSaulebdi. mogexsenebaT, adamiani

yvelaferSi srulyofili ver iqneba

da, samwuxarod, xSirad vcdebiT.

_ zogadad, sportis es saxeoba

ratom airCieT?

_ rodesac gldanis sportskolaSi

Semiyvanes, iq didi arCevani

ar iyo da sportis yvela saxeoba

ar iswavleboda. mkiTxes, Tu ra

mindoda. vuTxari, _ mZleosnobameTqi,

radgan es Stangis aweva megona.

sabolood, berZnul-romauli

stilis Widaobis seqciaSi Sevedi.

_ ra iyo Semdeg, rogor gagr-

Zelda Tqveni cxovreba da moR-

vaweoba?

_ gldanis sportskolis damTavrebis

Semdeg Cavabare politeqnikur

institutSi manqanaTmSeneblobis

fakultetze. Cemma biZaSvilma,

jemal rexviaSvilma, romelic

cocxali aRar aris (acxonos

ufalma), mSeneblobaze SemomTavaza

muSaoba. iq gajiT galesil kedlebze

naxSiriT figurebi mivaxate.

erTxelac politeqnikuri institutis

mxazvelobiTi geometriis

kaTedris maswavlebel biZina

arCvaZes unaxavs es kedeli da ukiTxavs,

_ vin daxatao? erT-erTi

Cveni damxmareao, upasuxiaT. im

dRes ver Semxvda, verc meore

dRes, mesame dRes SevxvdiT erTmaneTs.

momkida xeli, Camiyvana politeqnikur

institutSi, amaRebina

atestatis asli da mimiyvana

ToiZis samxatvro saswavlebelSi

baton soso qoiavasTan.

moewonaT Cemi namuSevrebi da

ugamocdod Camricxes. madlobeli

var batoni biZinasi, _ kaci, romelic

gverdiT dagidgeba, sikvdilamde

unda gaxsovdes. amis mere politeqnikuri

institutic davamTavre,

inJinradac da mxatvradac

vmuSaobdi sxvadasxva adgilas.

_ rogorc vici, Zalovan stru-

qturaSic gimuSaviaT.

_ diax, 1993 wlidan 2013 wlamde

Zalovan uwyebaSi sxvadasxva

Tanamdebobaze vmuSaobdi.

_ marTalia, rogorc Tqven

TqviT, sportuli iRbali ar aR-

mogaCndaT, magram Zalian didi

xatvis niWiT xarT dajildoebu-

li. pirvelad ra daxateT?

_ portreti. maSin, ZiriTadad,

fanqriT vasrulebdi, Semdeg funji

da tilo SeviZine. sul meubnebodnen,

nela xate, sad geCqarebao.

bevrjer damiwyia konkretuli naxatis

daxatva, magram xasiaTis cvlilebis

gamo uceb gamifuWebia da

aRar damimTavrebia.

_ xasiaTze bevri ram aris

damokidebuli?

_ ra Tqma unda. zogjer

rogorc wyali, ise momwyurebia da

momndomebia raRacis daxatva. cxovreba

erTi didi waxalisebaa. magaliTad,

saerTo mxatvrebis

gamofena ramdenime televiziam

gaaSuqa da aseTi yuradReba adamians

did stimulsa da imis SesaZleblobas

gaZlevs, rom mudam akeTo

Seni sayvareli saqme.

_ sanam intervius daviwyebdiT,

aRniSneT, Zalian bevrma adamianma

ar icoda, rom xatavdiT.

_ aravin icoda, maT Soris, arc

ojaxis wevrebma da naTesavebma.

_ pirveli SemoqmedebiTi war-

mateba rodis movida?

- maSin CarxmSenebel qarxanaSi

vmuSaobdi. ramdenime suraTi gaigzavna,

maT Soris, meuRlis portreti.

jer profakavSirebis sasaxle-

Si waiRes Cemi suraTebi, Semdeg

erevanSi, bolos moskovSi gadainacvla.

sam Tveze meti iyo gasuli.

damirekes, mivedi da diplomi gadmomces.

_ ra aris TqvenTvis xatva, _

Semosavlis wyaro, hobi Tu,

ubralod, cxovrebis nawili?

_ cxovrebis nawilia. es aris

didi siamovneba. bolo sami welia,

rac aqtiurad vxatav, radgan mqonda

periodebi, roca vCerdebodi,

ver vxatavdi, ar mecala da axla

ukve xatva yvelaze mniSvnelovani

nawili gaxda Cems cxovrebaSi.

_ am sami wlis manZilze ramde-

ni naxati SeqmeniT?

_ 115 da 45 gavaCuqe.

_ naxatebs ar yidiT?

_ adre patara suraTebs vxatavdi,

mSral xidze vabarebdi da

turistebi yidulobdnen. zogadad,

fulis interesi arasdros mqonia,

amdeni naxati maqvs da arc erTi

gamaqvs gasayidad. gamofenebze

bevrs unda Cemi naxatebis SeZena,

magram yvelas uars veubnebi.

_ ratom?

_ rogorc pirveli namuSevari,

miyvars da imitom.

_ Tumca mxatvrobas fuli

sWirdeba, masala rom SeiZinoT.

_ sWirdeba da Cemi pensiiT vyidulob

tiloebsa da saRebavebs.

_ e. i. mxolod sakuTari siam-

ovnebisTvis xatavT?

_ sakuTari siamovnebisTvisac

da minda, rom sazogadoebam gamicnos

da gaicnos Cemi naxatebi da

Semoqmedeba.

_ ojaxSi vinme xatavda?

_ cxonebuli dedaCemi xatavda

da xatvis niWic misgan gamomyva.

sxvaTa Soris, saukeTeso naqargebi

hqonda. aseve Cemi biZaSvili daviT

gobejiSvili liTonze muSaobda.

_ Tqveni niWi Tu gamoyva

Tqvens qaliSvils?

_ SviliSvili xatavs, romelic

safrangeTSi swavlobs da Cemi gogo,

meriko, xatviT ar xatavs, magram

saocari xedva aqvs. getyvis da

girCevs, zogjer vujereb xolme.

_ gamofenis gakeTebas gegmavT?

_ ra Tqma unda. gamofenisTvis

naxatebis raodenobas vagroveb da

male daviwyeb amaze muSaobas.

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Tbilisis quCebSi Tu fexiT gaiseirnebT

da gansakuTrebiT centralur

ubnebSi, TiTqmis yovel mesame

Senobis vitrinaze SegxvdebaT

warwera: „qiravdeba”, rac imas niSnavs,

rom patara biznesebi, romlebic

aqamde, SeZlebisdagvarad, axerxebdnen

arsebobas da xalxi Tavs

irCenda, dRes sruliad ganadgurebulia.

elvis siswrafiT iketeba

tansacmlis, saqorwilo kabebis ma-

Raziebi da sakvebi obieqtebi.

gakotrebis pirasaa qarTuli

brendi „marigoldi”, romelsac

mniSvnelovani wili Sehqonda qar-

Tuli kulturis popularizacia-

Si ucxoeTSi da yovelTvis orientirebuli

iyo xarisxze, Tumca yvelasTvis

sayvareli adgili dRes

SesaZloa, daixuros da funqcionireba

Sewyvitos.

rogorc „marigoldis” diasaxlisi

da damfuZnebeli Tamar nadiraZe

„qronika+~-sTan acxadebs,

Tu isini ver Seasruleben oqtombris

bolomde dakisrebul valdebulebebs,

seriozuli problemebi

SeeqmnebaT da SesaZloa, muSaoba

veRar gaagrZelon.

Tamar nadiraZe:

_ yvelasTvis Zalian mZime periodi

iyo, magram ra gveqna? _ vemor-

CilebodiT imas, rasac gveubnebodnen

da gviTiTebdnen. Cven, iseve

rogorc sxva patara biznesseqtorebs,

romlebic yoveldRiur

Semosavalze iyvnen damokidebulebi,

Zalian gagviWirda. piradad Cems

ojaxSi aravin aris saxelmwifo biujetze

damokidebuli da, Sesabamisad,

dasaqmebulic. mxolod

meuRles aqvs pensia.

_ qalbatono Tamar, ormagad

dazaraldiT Tqven da yvela is

patara biznesi, romlis Semosavalic

damokidebuli iyo qorwilebis

sezonur periodze _ Se-

modgomaze.

_ ra Tqma unda! am biznesSi moRvawe

yvela adamiani Zalian cud

mdgomareobaSia. aravis gvaqvs

paraleluri Semosavlis wyaro.

winapandemiis dros, faqtobrivad,

saarsebo puris gareSe davrCiT,

elementarulic ar gagvaCnda. mTeli

es wlebi saxelis mopovebaze vimuSaveT.

„marigoldi” qarTuli

brendia, romelic emsaxureba silamazesa

da qarTul kulturas. am

yvelaferSi ki Zalian didi investicia,

CavdeT rom xarisxi SegvenarCunebina.

Tqven kargad iciT,

Zalian bevri miwveva, gasvla gvqonda

ucxoeTSi da saocrad aqtiuri

periodi iyo Cvens cxovrebaSi.

uceb saSinelma depresiam momicva.

_ miT umetes, sakmaod didi

valdebuleba gaqvT saxelmwifos

winaSe. gadasaxadebisgan Tu gan-

TavisufldiT?

_ dRg-isgan ar gavuTavisuflebivarT,

saxelmwifos winaSe

uzarmazari valdebulebebi gvaqvs,

amis garda, aris bankebi, romlebic

Zalian axlo momavalSi (amaSi ukve

dRes davrwmundi) absoluturad

yvelafers wagvarTmeven da quCaSi

dagvtoveben. mogexsenebaT, rom

adamiani roca saqmes iwyebs, masSi

absoluturad mTel Tavis resurss

debs da ase var mec. yvelaferi

rac mqonda, am saqmeSi Cavde.

_ fasebze minda gkiTxoT: ga-

naxevrda Tu piriqiT, moimata

saqorwilo kabebis yidva-ga-

qiravebam?

_ saqorwilo biznesSi, faqtobrivad,

yvelaferi mesamedze davida.

Tu produqtebze fasebma aiwia,

Cven piriqiT, davwieT da mizerul

Tanxebze daviyvaneT yvelaferi.

risi saSualebac iyo, imas vergebodiT,

rom puri arsobisa gvqonoda,

saxelmwifos winaSe valdebulebebi

dagvefara da bizness saku-

Tari Tavi Seenexa. CvenTan dasaqmebuli

qalbatonebi yvela saxlSi

gavuSvi, romelTa ukanac ojaxebi

dgas.

_ TqvenTan dasaqmebuli ram-

denime aTeuli adamiani umuSevari

darCa?

_ ra Tqma unda. samsaxurSi

davdivarT me, Cemi qaliSvili da

Cemi rZali. daqiravebuli Tanam-

Sromeli ukve didi xania, aRar

myavs. meore talRis SesaZleblobaze

ucxoeTSi mcxovrebi Cemi megobrebic

mafrTxilebdnen da, Sesabamisad,

CvenTan rom noembris

momxmareblebi modiodnen, yvelas

veubnebodi, 25 oqtombers mosuliyvnen,

radgan bevri ram

garkveuli iqneboda, Tu ra moxdeboda

noemberSi, magram vin warmoidgenda,

rom 25 oqtombramde

amoqmeddeboda akrZalvebi?

xazgasmiT minda aRvniSno, rom

vinc ki CvenTan modioda, yvelas

winaswar vekiTxebodi, Tu ramdenkacian

qorwils apirebda. am dedoflebidan

maqsimum 120-kaciani

qorwili damisaxeles da isic gare

sivrceSi, danarCeni qorwilebi

Seadgenda 50, 60, 80 da 100 kacs.

gamomdinare iqidan, rom marTla

ver warmovidgendiT msgavss akrZalvebs,

nel-nela daviwyeT muSaoba,

gadaxdebi, Tanxis gadadeba imisTvis,

rom gvearseba, radgan saxelmwifo

ver gvexmareba. es ar aris

is biznesi, sadac didi fuli iSoveba.

wlebis winaT rom dametovebina

saqarTvelo, dRes Zalian kargad

viqnebodi. mTelma qveyanam


ra bedi elis `marigolds~?!

555 42 42 81 `ra vqna dRes, rodesac

saarsebo minimumic ar

dagvitoves da

saSimSilod gagvwires?!~

qveyanaSi epidsituaciis gauar-

giorgi sakaruli

esebis gamo ramdenime Tvis win ga-

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uqmebuli SezRudvebi kvlav amo-

qmedda. iubileebi, qorwilebi,

qelexebi da sxva saritualo RonisZiebebi droebiT aikrZala

rogorc daxurul, aseve Ria sivrceebSi. dabadebis dRis, qel-

exisa da sxva socialuri RonisZiebis monawileTa raodenoba

aT kacs ar unda aRematebodes. aRniSnulma SezRudvebma mniS-

vnelovnad daazarala qarTuli biznesseqtori da aramarto.

icis, rom rodesac gaTanamedrovebuli

qarTuli koleqcia gavakeTe,

mTeli ucxoeTi moviareT qarTuli

kulturis popularizaciisTvis.

usazRvrod miyvars Cemi

qvyeyana, dRe da Rame mqonda gasworebuli,

rom saxeli mogvepovebina,

xarisxi dagvedo, siaxle Semogvetana

qarTuli modis biznes-

Si, sferoSi, ufro ganvviTarebuliyaviT

da...

_ da uceb erTi xelis mosmiT

nadgurdeba biznesi.

_ saSineleba xdeba! uceb aikrZala

yvelaferi! erT-erTi gogona,

dedofali, romelsac CvenTan unda

Caecva kaba, cudad gagvxida, isterikaSi

Cagvivarda, radgan samjer

gadado qorwili da ar dagvaviwydes,

rom 50-kacian qorwilzea

saubari. ramdenime dRis win damirekes

ivenTmenejerebma da miTxres,

rom gavsuliyaviT da saprotesto

aqcia mogvewyo, magram uari

vuTxari.

_ ratom?

_ ar mindoda, radgan vinc micnobs,

yvelam kargad icis, rom

apolitikuri adamiani var. miyvars

Cemi qveyana da saqmianoba. vSromob

da imas vakeTeb, rac mesmis da vici.

politikisgan Sors var.

_ Tumca Tqven xom mTavrobis

gadadgomis moTxovniT ar ga-

diodiT im aqciaze?

_ ki batono, magram yvelafers

sxva saxe miecemoda. amitom mogmarTeT

Jurnalistebs daxmarebisTvis.

Cemi Txovna aris, rom visac

xelewifeba, oqtombris bolomde

dauSvan Tundac 100-kaciani qorwilebi.

es Zalian kargi iqneba,

radgan is pasuxismgebloba, rac am

adamianebis mimarT, Cveni ojaxebis,

saxelmwifos winaSe gvaqvs SevasruloT

da saqme bolomde miviyvanoT.

erTaderT rames vTxov xelisuflebas,

rom oqtombris bolomde

gvacados muSaoba.

_ Tumca am mesijebis gaJRereba

saprotesto aqciazec Sege-

ZloT.

_ ra Tqma unda, magram, mogexsenebaT,

winasaarCevno periodia da

kargad vxedavT, rogor SeiZleba

gamoiyenon Cvenma opozicionerebma

esa Tu is situacia. garda amisa,

ar vici, visTan miva Jurnalisti da

ra mxriv daiwyebs am yvelafris

gaSuqebas, vin rogor Semoabrunebs

Temas saTavisod da bevri sxva

niuansia, romelSi garevac namdvilad

ar minda. ubralod, yvelas

vTxov, visac es exeba, rom gvacadon

muSaoba oqtombris bolomde

mainc. Tuki SeiZleba, 200-kaciani

koncertebi moewyos, sadac xalxi

erTmaneTTan Caxutebulia, cekvavs

da a. S., ratom ar SeiZleba, 50-kaciani

an Tundac 100-kaciani qorwilebis

gadaxda, romelic yvela

wesis dacviT Catardeba?

aqtiuri periodi gvaqvs seqtemberi,

oqtomberi da noembris Sua

ricxvebi, Tumca iqidan gamomdinare,

rom meore talRis molodinis

reJimSi viyaviT, noembris SekveTebi

ar agviRia. ra vqna dRes, rodesac

saarsebo minimumic ki ar dagvitoves

da saSimSilod gagvwires?

amas aravin moeloda. amitom mindoda

TqvenTan, JurnalistebTan

Sexvedra, rom Cemi xma yvelasTvis

mimewvdina. samwuxarod, premierministrTan

an sxva maRal Tanamdebobis

pirebTan ase advilad ar iniSneba

Sexvedrebi. wlebis winaT

savaWro palatis wevrebi viyaviT

da yovelTvis imarTeboda msgavsi

Sexvedrebi, gvekiTxebodnen, vekiTxebodiT,

azrebs vcvlidiT...

axla? xom SeiZleboda, vinmes davebarebineT,

moesminaT CvenTvis?

mere ra, rom ar gvaqvs didi biznesi,

ar varT milionerebi, magram

Cven xom adamianebi varT, vis

ukanac ojaxebi dgas.

22 welia, am saqmes vemsaxurebi,

siyvaruliT vakeTeb yvelafers, es

CemTvis sulis sazrdo iyo. dRes

ra gavakeToT? riT viarseboT?

saxelmwifo rames gadamixdis? er-

Txel aviReT 200-200 lari da esec,

mapatieT, magram puri, zeTi, brinji

da karaqi rom iyido, mxolod

amisTvis geyofa, isic erTi kvira.

ojaxi ver iarsebebs am 200 lariT,

magram arc minda. ubralod, momeci

saSualeba, rom vimuSao da 24

saaTi viSromeb. me ar mivekuTvnebi

im adamianebis kategorias, romlebic

fexi fexze gadadebulebi sxedan.

roca ar vmuSaob, maSin cudad

var, miT umetes, roca akeTeb da

sayvarel saqmes emsaxurebi.

_ qalbatono Tamar, im SemTx-

vevaSi, Tu saxelmwifo daTmobaze

ar wamovida da patara biznesebs

ar misca arsebobis saSualeba, ra

bedi elis „marigolds”?

_ mTeli cxovreba rac viwvale,

Tundac am Senobas, sadac Cven

varT da romelic bankiT maqvs

gamotanili, yvelafers davkargav.

„marigoldi” aRar iarsebebs, es

bedi gvelis da davrCebi quCaSi.

ubralod, fsiqologiurad ver

gavuZleb, marTlmadidebeli adamiani

var da Tavs ver moviklav,

ver Caviden upatiebel codvas,

rogor Sevxedo Cems Svilebs da

SviliSvilebs TvalebSi. Tavis

droze ojaxi gverdiT damidga,

yvelaferi rac hqonda Cems ojaxs,

am saqmeSi Cado, radgan Cemi sulis

wyaro iyo da yvelanairad xels miwyobda.

janmrTelad viyavi maSin,

roca vmuSaobdi, vSromobdi da 24

saaTi dRe-Rame mqonda gasworebuli.

ra davaSave, ratom gvarTmeven

sicocxlis uflebas me, Cems Svilebs,

TanamSromlebs, ratom?! Cemsave

qveyanaSi ucxoelze metad

ratom mCagrav?! mas Tu bordelebis

gaxsnis ufleba aqvs, me ratom

marTmev uflebas, rom silamazes

vemsaxuro da Cemi sayvareli saqme

vakeTo, ratom mtoveb quCaSi

mSiers?! es gardauvali iqneba.

_ ra imedebi arsebobs?

_ aranairi! erTaderTi, yvela

dedofals veubnebi, rom daicadon,

iqneb, dRes da xval dauSvan 50-

80-kaciani qorwilebi mainc, Tavisi

yvelanairi wesis dacviT. iqneb,

oqtombris bolomde gvacadon mu-

Saoba. adamiani imediT cocxlobs.

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baSo ori wagebiT

38

riteTi gamarjveba moipova.

amjerad, gamarjveba mowianaRmdeges

darCa. orive rikiSi qamarSi

Sevida, Tumca kiribaiamas ukeTesi

Cavleba hqonda, riTac qarTvelis

miZalebebs Zala daakargvina da

iorikiris kimariteTi aqtivSi 1

qula Caiwera.

toCis miznebze saubari jer

adrea, dohioze Widaoba gviCvenebs.

ise, seqtembris baSos yvela favorits

Seerkineba...

meore dRes toCinoSini dasavleTis

mesame maegaSiras, terucuioSis

daupirispirda. rikiSebi aqamde

erTmaneTs mxolod erTxel Sexvedrodnen,

sadac gamarjveba mowinaaRmdeges

darCa. pirveli dRis

Semdeg qarTvels marcxi, iaponels

ki gamarjveba hqonda.

samwuxarod, levani amjeradac

damarcxda. qarTveli TiTqos

orTabrZolas akontrolebda, magram

dohio misTvis patara aRmoCnda

da sanam mowinaaRmdeges daagdebda,

fexi tavaras miRma gadadga...

toCis metoqe xval aRmosavle-

Tis me-4 maegaSira iutakaiama iqneba...

movigeT, feola! gagiWirdebodaT...

gagaxsendaT? me erovnuli olimpiuri komitetis dRevandelma

saangariSo-saarCevno yrilobam gamaxsena.

leri xabelovi prezidentad erTxmad, ukonkurentod

da mesame vadiT airCies.

baton leris piradad aras verCiT Zalian didi sportsmeni

da sxvebze arafriT naklebi Cinovnikia, magram

sworedac rom Cinovniki.

olimpiuri komitetis yvela prezidentis zeobisas damiweria

da ver Sevicvale azri es organizacia saqarTveloSi

yovelTvis sportis saministros erT-erTi departamentis

ambiciiT kmayofildeboda da kmayofildeba.

ra azri aqvs wesdebis iuridiul niuansebze, moboikoteebze

an moprotesteebze saubars. mTavari mxolod isaa,

rom qarTuli sportis politikis gansazRvraSi erovnuli

olimpiuri komitetis roli yvela xelisuflebam

mizanmimarTulad daaknina da lamis olimpiuri sportuli

amuniciis prezentaciamde daiyvana.

oriod kviris win olimpiur komitets SeniSvna SevkadreT

egeb, tokios TamaSebis gadadebis gamo Cveni olimpielebis

areul grafikSi gagvarkvioT da axal perspeqtivebzec

gviTxraT ramdenime sityvao. „arsaidam xma, arsiT

Zaxili”.

an ra saWiroa?

mTavaria, rom yrilobaze daidos Sedegi erTxmad.

hoda, darCa kidec kreba mxiaruli.

mefe _ flei

ofi _ mefe

„los-anjeles leikersis” forvardi

lebron jeimsi NBA-s flei

ofSi fenomenalur matCebs atarebs.

kaliforniulma gundma dasavaleT

konferenciis naxevarfinalis

mesame matCSi 112:102 daamarcxa

„hiuston roketsi”, „mefe jeimsma”

ki 36 qula, 7 moxsna, 5 pasi, 4 dafareba

miiTvala da ligis ramdenime

rekordi moxsna.

lebronma flei ofSi 162-e mat-

Ci moigo da ligaSi saukeTeso maCvenebeli

aqvs. manamde jeimss pirveloba

derek fiSerTan erTad

hqonda gayofili. garda amisa,

NBA-s iseT legendebs uswrebs,

rogorebic arian tim dankani (157),

robert ori (155), qarim abdul

jabari (154), toni parkeri (137),

skoti pipeni (136), manu jinobili

(135), kobi braianti (135) da Sakil

onili (129).

jeimss ligis daskvniT fazaSi

(flei ofi) matCebis 65,6% aqvs

mogebuli, rac istoriaSi saukeTeso

maCvenebelia, visac 200 matCze

meti uTamaSia. garda amisa, lebroni

erTaderTi moqmedi kalaTburTelia,

flei ofSi 100-ze meti

Sexvedra rom aqvs mogebuli.

amerikis

pirvelebi

iaponiaSi aki (seqtembris) baSo

daiwyo. Cveni falavani, toCinoSinis

metsaxeliT cnobili levan

gorgaZe, pirvel dRes, aRmosavle-

Tis mexuTe maegaSiras, kiribaiamas

daupirispirda.

rikiSebi aqamde erTmaneTs mxolod

erTxel daupirispirdnen,

2020 wlis martis (haru) baSoze,

sadac qarTvelma iorikiris kima-

simarTle vTqvaT, US OPEN-is

qalTa finalis win neitralur

qomagTa umravlesobis simpaTie-

bi belarusi viqtoria azarenkas

mxares ixreboda. didi pauzis

Semdeg kortze triumfaluri

dabruneba turniris istoriis

erTi ulamazesi furceli gaxde-

boda. arada, ra axlos iyo es

yvelaferi. sawyisi 9 geimis ganmavlobaSi

vika idealur Cog-

burTs TamaSobda. jer seti 6:1

moigo, mere breikiT 2:0 dawinau-

rda da sakuTar mowodebaze

40:30 igebda…

mere raRac moxda, rac iap-

onelma naomi osakam martivad

axsna: „gavifiqre, rom erT saa-

Tze nakleb droSi wageba didi

sircxvili iqneboda da bolom-

de unda mebrZola”.

Sedegad osakam meore da mesa-

me seti 6:3, 6:3 moigo da bolo

25 wlis manZilze pirveli Seiq-

na, vinac pirveli setis wagebis

Semdeg amerikul finalSi imar-

jva.

sul istoriaSi ki mesame

SemTxvevaa, setis 1:6 wamgebi sabolood

amerikis Rias gamarjve-

buli gamxdariyos.

es osakas mesame gamarjvebaa

„didi muzaradis” turnirebze

da ganaxlebul reitingSi msof-

lios eqspirveli Cogani mesame

safexuramde aRzevdeba.

cincinatis turniris mogeb-

is Semdeg morigi 13-safexuriani

nabiji gadadga azarenkamac da

orSabaTidan msoflios me-14

Cogani iqneba.

ufro daZabul siuJeti ki meore

dRes vixileT. vera scenar-

isti ukeTess verc Seqmnida. gag-

ermanelebulma rusma aleqsandr

zverevma da avstrielma dominik

timma ramdenime wlis ganmavlo-

baSi saukeTeso finali iTamaSes,

sadac sasworis pina orive mx-

ares araerTxel gadaixara:

* zverevma pirveli ori seti

erTi amosunTqviT, 6:2, 6:4 moi-

go.

* momdevno or setSi timma me-

toqis upiratesoba gaanula 6:4,

6:3.

* mexuTe setSi zverevi 5:3-ze

Tavad awvdida da timma moaxerxa

Tavis dacva.

* 6:5-ze ukve timi awvdida da

verc man dasva wertili. saqme

taibreikamde mivida.

* taibreikze zverevma 4:6-dan

ori matCboli moigeria, magram

Semdgom or gaTamaSebasTan er-

Tad US OPEN-is Cempionis tit-

ulic avstriels dauTmo.

dominik timma pirvelad moi-

go „didi muzaradis” turniri.

2014 wlis Semdeg amerikis Ria

Cempionats mxolod isini igebdnen,

visac pirvelobis gemo iqam-

dec hqondaT nagemi.

avstrielma domenik timma

mciredi, magram mainc koreqtivi,

turniris istoriaSic Seitana.

38 N20 (322) 15.09-21.09.2020 w.


didi ambavi:

saqarTvelo rva erSi

xangrZlivi molaparakebebis Sedegad

sabolood gadawyda, rom Cveni moragbeTa

erovnuli nakrebi gundi wels noembris meore

naxevridan monawileobas miiRebs rva

eris, igive „Semodgomis erTa Tasi 2020"-is

gaTamaSebaSi. saqarTvelos ragbis kavSiris

oficialur gverdze gamoqveynebuli informaciis

Tanxmad, borjRalosnebi pirvel

turSi ingliss legendarul „Tviqenhemze”

14 noembers erkinebian. eqvsi eris xelmZRvanelobam,

rogorc iqna, is gadawyvetileba

miiRo, romelsac qarTvel moragbeTa

mravali Taoba amaod eloda. ragbis

kavSiris saitze gamoqveynda dasturi

imisa, rom borjRalosnebi noembris meore

naxevridan inglisSi eqvsi erisa da fijis

erovnul gundTan erTad Semodgomis erTa

Tasis gaTamaSebaSi Caebmebian, xolo qarTvelebTan

erTad jgufSi ingliselebi, irlandielebi

da uelselebi iqnebian.

rusebi TbilisSi

am saukuneSi qarTul-rusuli klubebis

dapirispireba evroturnirebis

egidiT ar Catarebula. pirvelad iqneba

17 seqtembers vakeSi: Tbilisis „lokomotivi”

moskovis „dinamos” umaspinZlebs

da gairkveva, vin gava evropa

ligis mesame sakvalifikacio etapze.

erTi periodi uefas akrZaluli

hqonda qarTul-rusuli dapirispirebebi.

2008 wlis agvistodan daaSora

erTmaneTs, Tumca 2014 wels isev dauSva.

1997 wels intertotos Tasze Tbilisis

„merani 91"-ma Sin 0:2 waago moskovis

„torpedosTan”. es iyo bolo mat-

Ci, romelSic qarTuli da rusuli gundebi

evroegidiT Sexvdnen. intertoto

ki aq ra mosatania, roca mTavari dapirispireba

manamde erTi wliT adre

gaimarTa.

uefas Tasze „dinamos” ukve gamo-

TiSuli hyavda luqsemburgis „grevenmaxeri”

da norvegiis „miolde”, mesame

etapze ki „torpedo” Sexvda. moskovelebs

im dros klubis legendaruli

fexburTeli valentin ivanovi wvrTnida,

dinamos ki _ aranaklebi legenda

daviT yifiani. aRarc ivanovia cocxali

da aRarc _ yifiani...

10 da 24 seqtembers iyo TamaSebi.

jer moskovSi: wvima, talaxi, gafuWebuli

drenaJi, alag-alag wyalburTis

elementebi, maspinZlebis amindi, magram

„dinamos” sruli upiratesoba da gakvirvebuli

rusi komentatori: „kidev ar

daiRalnen qarTvelebi?!”

goCa jamaraulma sajarimo dartymiT

gaitana. manamdec da merec „dinamom”

teqnikuri da fizikuri Tvalsazrisi-

Tac SeWama „torpedo”.

ivanovma TamaSis mere Tqva: „dinamoelebma

molodins gadaaWarbes. metoqe

Seswavlili gvyavda, magram maT damatebiT

maRali xarisxi aCvenes”.

maxsovs, erT momentSi giorgi kikna-

Zem erTbaSad oTxi torpedoeli moatyua.

brwyinvale matCi Caatara sayrdenma.

ai, SemoqmedebiTi kuTxiT moskovSic

da TbilisSic lideri gaxldaT jamarauli.

marto golebSi araa saqme, Tumca

golebic ratom unda daviviwyoT?..

TbilisSi man 30 metridan rom daaquxa,

naxvad Rirda. manamde goCam ufro

Soridan xarixa Seazanzara.

Sin 1:1 dasrulda da „dinamo” gavida.

„torpedos” erTi golic da cud

dReSi aRmoCndeboda, magram es didi

usamarTloba iqneboda. „dinamom” TbilisSic

ajoba metoqes da marto bolo

10 wuTSi kontrSetevebze sami sagole

momenti Seqmna. kaxa gogiCaiSvili da

giorgi demetraZe flangebidan awiokebdnen...

erovnuli gundebis donezec samjer

Sexvdnen saqarTvelo da ruseTi. Tanafardobaa,

TiTo mogeba-fre-wageba. 1:0,

1:3 SesarCevSi da 1:1 amxanagurSi. Tumca

es sxva istoriaa...

axla Tbilisis lokomotivis TamaSs

veliT. favoriti yvelam icis, romelicaa,

magram rumineTis „universitatiac”

favoriti iyo. winaswar glovas namdvilad

ar vapirebT.

ZaRliSvili maimunio

neimari iyo erT-erTi im xuTi fexbur-

raodenoba ki 15 gamovida. erT-erT kadrSi

Telidan, romelic „marselTan” safrangeTisic

ki gamoCnda, rogor miafurTxa argenis

Cempionatis meore turis SexvedraSi moed-

tinelma anxel di mariam alvaros.

nidan gaaZeves. man metoqe alvaro gonsaless

agreTve gamoCnda, rogor miuTiTebda ne-

uknidan ramdenjerme TavSi Cautyapuna da

imari espanelisken da yviroda: „ara, rasizms!”

mere rasizmSi dasdo brali.

matCis Semdeg „pari sen Jermenis” varskv-

brazilieli ambobs, rom espanelma mas

lavma tviterze kidev ufro daZaba urTier-

„ZaRliSvili maimuni” uwoda.

Toba: „erTaderTi, razedac guli mwydeba is

Cxubi parizSi TamaSis bolos atyda. mat-

ki ar aris, me im tr…s TavSi rom wamovartyi.

Ci, naklebad mosalodneli SedegiT dasrul-

VAR-ma Cemi agresia iolad dainaxa. es prob-

da _ „pari sen Jermenma” Sin 0:1 waago

lema ar iyo. me minda vnaxo kadri, sadac es

„marselTan”. Sexvedris erTaderTi goli 31-

rasisti „ZaRliSvilo maimunos” meZaxis.

e wuTze florian tauvenma gaitana.

ra xdeba? me xelis kvraze damsjian, magram

rogorc mogaxseneT, daZabuli matCis mTamas

rogorRa dasjian? ra xdeba?” ayalmayavari

movlena Cxubi gamodga. msajma xuTi fex-

li, romelzec zemoT mogaxseneT, msajis mier

burTeli gaaZeva, yviTeli baraTebis jamuri

wamatebuli eqvsi wuTidan mexuTeze atyda.

N20 (322) 15.09-21.09.2020 w.

39

CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

kviris horoskopi

verZi

pirvel rigSi gadmoinacvlebs sasiyvarulo

urTierTobebi. Tqven TviTon

gagakvirvebT vnebis aseTi afeTqeba. samsaxurSi

axali perspeqtivebi gaixsneba, magram

Tqveni damokidebuleba am yvelafrisadmi

araseriozuli iqneba. mogiwevT aqtiurad

CaerToT saqmeebSi da daamtkicoT, rom mxolod

Tqven iciT, saidan unda daiwyoT maTi

mogvareba.

kuro

am periodSi SesaZlebloba mogecemaT,

meti dro dauTmoT saxls da bolos da bolos

kargad gamoiZinoT, Tumca sayvareli

adamiani kargad dasvenebas mainc ar dagacdiT

– mas uamravi axali idea aqvs, rac

seriozuli saubrebisa da moqmedebebisken

gibiZgebT.

tyupi

karg STabeWdilebas moaxdenT saWiro adamianebze,

amitom meti komunikacia gqondeT

da saxlSi ar CaiketoT, mogzauroba da Sexvedrebi

dawinaurebis karg Sanss mogcemT, axali

proeqtebi ki SromiTi gmirobebisken gibi-

ZgebT. siyvarulSi moTmineba gamoiCineT da nu

daaCqarebT movlenebs.

kirCxibi

saqmian sferoSi kvlav lideris pozicia

giWiravT. Tqveni SemoqmedebiTi impulsebi

swori mimarTulebiT mimarTeT. es periodi

Tanxis Semodinebas gpirdebaT, magram frTxilad

iyaviT, SesaZloa mavanis gza gadakve-

ToT da maSin Tqveni warmateba mis avadmyofur

Tavmoyvareobas mtkivneulad Seexeba.

lomi

daZabuli ardadegebi saTavgadasavlo da

romantikuli SexvedrebiT aranakleb qariSxliani

yoveldRiuri cxovrebiT Seicvleba.

Tqveni profesionalizmi dafasdeba. CaiwereT

ideebi da daiwyeT gegmebis Sedgena. pirad

an ojaxur cxovrebaSi iniciativa partniorze

gadaitaneT.

qalwuli

am periodis ganmavlobaSi Tqveni ambiciuri

survilebi SeiZleba asruldes, ase rom, gulmodgined

CamoayalibeT, ra gsurT axla cxovrebisgan.

moulodneli Sexvedra an zari adamianisgan,

romelic warsulidan dabrundeba,

mkveTrad Secvlis Tqvens cxovrebas. samsaxur-

Si Sansi geqnebaT sakuTari Tavi gamoavlinoT

da xelmZRvanelobis yuradReba miipyroT.

saswori

nu gadaabijebT zRvars sayvarel adamian-

Tan urTierTobaSi. am periodis ganmavloba-

Si namdvili mesakuTresaviT moqcevisken

iqnebiT momarTuli. siyvaruli da vneba

gsurT, amitom cota zedmeti mogdiT da

eWvianobis demonstrirebasac axdenT. SabaTkviras

Tavi SeikaveT emociebisgan da

gaumklavdiT sayofacxovrebo problemebs.


yovelkvireuli gazeTi gamodis kviraSi

erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze

yovelkvireuli

gamodis samSabaTobiT fasi 2 lari

pirveli gverdi:

1 sm 2 _ 15 lari, maqsimaluri SekveTa 300 sm 2 ;

meore-mesame gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 3 lari;

Sida gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 1 lari;

bolos wina gverdi:

1sm 2 _2 lari;

bolo gverdi:

1sm 2 _ 3 lari,

maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;

mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _

1000 sm 2;

reklama CanarTis saxiT:

A3 3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;

A4 4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)

kviris horoskopi

morieli

zodiaqos am niSnis warmomadgenlebisTvis

xelsayreli periodi iwyeba. gavleniani

pirovneba mzadaa Tavisi frTis qveS SegifaroT.

Tqven win ixsneba kari, romelzec amden

xans akakunebdiT. garigebebi kargad warimarTeba,

gamoCndebian axali klientebi da maTTan

erTad – fulic. am periodSi romantikuli

Sexvedrebi bevr dadebiT emocias mogitanT.

mSvildosani

rac ufro Tavisufali da damoukidebeli

xdebiT, miT ufro aRvivebT partnioris

grZnobebs. axla bevrad ukeT gesmiT erTamane-

Tis, vidre wina ramdenime kviris ganmavloba-

Si. kolegebTan komunikacias aseve meti ndoba

da uSualoba axlavs. gaaxareT sakuTari Tavi

sasiamovno saCuqriT – amas imsaxurebT.

Txis rqa

Tqveni energia yovelTvis ar iqneba mimarTuli

keTili saqmeebisken. didia cduneba,

Suri iZioT wvrilmani wyenebis gamo, romlebic

SeiZleba mxolod Tqvens warmosaxvaSi arsebobdes.

sasiyvarulo urierTobebSi saeWvoa intrigebi

warmatebiT dagvirgvindes. am sfero-

Si maqsimaluri gulwrfeloba ukeTes Sedegs

mogitanT.

merwyuli

yuradReba miaqcieT gadavadebul saqmeebs.

kargi momzadeba gWirdebaT momavali „brZolis“

win. sasargeblo kontaqtebis damyarebis

unarebi axla gansakuTrebiT gamogadgebaT. nu

dakargavT dros wvrilmanebze! yvelaze metad

warmatebas miaRwevT saqmeebSi, romlebic gr-

Zelvadian investiciebs ukavSirdeba.

Tevzebi

horizontze gamoCndeba axali miznebi,

romelTa SesrulebisTvis male daiwyebT

qmedebas. droa dafiqrdeT, moamzadoT gegma,

sworad gaanawiloT Tqveni Zalebi. am kviraSi

gamarjvebis gvirgvini TqvenTvis garantirebulia.

mTavaria wuTier gatacebebze ar mocdeT.

es saukeTeso droa mogzaurobisTvis.

1 aSS dolari

3.1308

1 evro

3.7178

1 girvanqa sterlingi

4.0322

100 rusuli rubli

4.1641

amindi

samSabaTi

oTxSabaTi

xuTSabaTi

paraskevi

SabaTi

kvira

orSabaTi

Tbilisi

28-30 0

27-30 0

19-21 0

25-27 0

26-28 0

22-24 0

21-23 0

quTaisi

26-28 0

25-27 0

30-32 0

29-31 0

24-26 0

25-27 0

23-25 0

baTumi

27-29 0

28-30 0

26-28 0

25-27 0

22-24 0

23-25 0

22-25 0

zugdidi

28-30 0

25-27 0

30-32 0

28-30 0

24-26 0

25-27 0

24-26 0

gori

25-27 0

24-26 0

20-23 0

24-26 0

22-23 0

20-21 0

20-22 0

Telavi

29-31 0

27-30 0

21-24 0

27-30 0

28-30 0

23-25 0

24-27 0

foTi

27-29 0

28-30 0

29-31 0

28-30 0

26-28 0

25-27 0

26-28 0

40

saredaqcio kolegia

yvela ufleba daculia;

`qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebuli

masalebis nebismieri saxiT

gamoyeneba da gavrceleba

redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad

akrZalulia!

gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul

masalebs aqvT sareklamo

xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia

SeiZleba ar daemTxves

redaqciis Sexedulebas.

mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)

marsagiSvili Sorena 599 92 16 22

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55

injgia nene 591 71 39 98

sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 81

qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40

mamulaZe xviCa 598 41 12 26

deviZe daviT

stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;

redaqciis misamarTi:

Tbilisi, gudauris N3,

pirveli sarTuli, bina 4;

tel.: 294 69 77;

sareklamo ganyofileba,

gavrcelebis samsaxuri

Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10

gazeTi ibeWdeba stambaSi `tori~

ISSN 2346-8025

294 69 77;

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