qronika+322a

gasul kviras „qarTulma oc-
nebam” saarCevno siis oceuli waradgina. parlamentis yofili
Tavmjdomare, „ocnebis” saarCevno Stabis xelmZRvaneli da
SeTavsebiT gavrilovis gidi irakli kobaxiZe gvpirdeboda,
rom mmarTveli partiis sarCevno sia iqneboda raRac saocre-
ba. sia marTlac gasaocari iyo. iseTi gasaocari, rom TviT
mamali qocebic ki gaogndnen. rogorc mosalodneli iyo, sia-
Si yofili „nacebic” iyvnen. TvalSi sacemi iyo isic, rom
oceulSi aravin moxvedrila im xalxidan, vinc 2012 wlamde
iricxeboda „qarTul ocnebaSi”.
opoziciur
gaerTianeba
„Zala erTobaSias” erT-erT
lider murman dumbaZes ar gah-
kvirvebia saarCevno siis aseTi
Semadgenloba. is darwmunebu-
lia, rom biZina ivaniSvili wels
wasvliT iseve gagvaxarebs,
rogorc 2012 wels mosvliT
gagvaxara. ivaniSvilis yofili
TanamebrZoli ambobs, rom mTa-
var meocnebeze yvelaze didi
gavlena aqvs mis Svil beras.
murman dumbaZe beras mou-
wodebs, mamasTan erTad dajdes
da mas politikidan wasvlis win
saTqmeli teqsti dauweros.
ras upirebs opozicia
ivaniSvils arCevnebis mogebis
SemTxvevaSi? ratom aRar aris
„ocnebaSi” is xalxi, romelmac
2012 wlis gamarjveba moitana?
ratom daiyenes gverdiT odio-
zuri kaxa oqriaSvili, romelic
kbilebiT icavda maJori-
tarul sistemas? ratom aris
saWiro mixeil saakaSvili? _ am
Temebis Sesaxeb murman dumbaZe
„qronika+“-s esaubreba:
_ „qarTuli ocnebis” saa-
rCevno siis pirveli oceuli
cnobilia. am oceulma „ocneb-
is” momxreebic ki gaaogna.
Tqven ras gvetyviT am Semadgen-
lobaze?
_ simarTle giTxraT, ar mainteresebs,
Tu vin iqneba „qarTuli
ocnebis” saarCevno siaSi.
_ ratom ar gainteresebT?
_ imitom, rom kargad vici _
„qarTuli ocnebis” siis pirveli
nomeric biZina ivaniSvilia
da yvela sxva danarCenic. am sia-
Si arian is adamianebi, romlebsac
arc politikuri warsuli
gaaCniaT da _ arc momavlis perspeqtiva.
isini siaSi imitom moxvdnen,
rom yvelafers gaakeTeben,
rasac maTgan ivaniSvili
moiTxovs. am xalxs qveynis aRm-
SeneblobaSi aranairi wvlili ar
SeutaniaT da arc momavalSi
gaakeTeben rames saqarTvelosTvis.
imisTvis, rom saqme gakeTdes
da qveyana ganviTardes, sakanonmdeblo
organoSi sul sxvanairi
azrovnebis xalxi unda
Sevides. brZolis Sedegad opoziciam
imas mivaRwieT, rom Ti-
Tqmis proporciuli arCevnebi
tardeba. am arCevnebSi aucileblad
gaimarjvebs opozicia, rac
qveyanaSi seriozuli reformebis
dawyebis safuZveli gaxdeba.
is xalxi, romelic „qarTul
ocebaSia”, am reformebs ar da
ver gaatarebs. arc maTi axali
saxeebs imedi maqvs da saerTod
ar mesmis da vemijnebi cnebas _
axali saxeebi politikaSi.
_ ratom emijnebiT? bevri
miiCnevs, rom qarTul poli-
tikaSi axali saxeebia saWiro.
_ axali saxe politikaSi ar
arsebobs. politikaSi ra unda
iseT adamians, romelsac aravin
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icnobs? rodesac cudad varT
da saavadmyofoSi mivdivarT, iq
vkiTxulobT, Tu vin aris yvelaze
gamocdili eqimi. politika-
Sic gamocdili kadria saWiro.
me axali saxeebis winaaRmdegi ar
var, magram axali saxe cota sxvanairad
mesmis.
_ sxvanairad rogor?
_ politikaSi axal saxed Sei-
Zleba CavTvalo iseTi adamiani,
romelic aqamde parlamentis
wevri ar iyo, magram aqtiuri
moqalaqe gaxldaT. saqarTvelos
parlamenti mxolod aqtiuri
moqalaqeebiT unda kompleqtdebodes.
am TvalsazrisiT biZina
ivaniSvili Rrma Secdomas uSvebs.
mas parlamentSi iseTi xalxis
Seyvana surs, romlebic misi
nebis aRmsruleblebi iqnebian.
misTvis mTavari amocana axla
piradi usafrTxoebisa da qonebis
dacvaa. garantias gaZlevT,
rom arc erTsa da arc meores
safrTxe ar emuqreba, Tu arCevnebs
opozicia moigebs.
_ amiT risi Tqma gindaT, rom
dRevandeli opozicia ivaniSvi-
lis qonebisa da usafrTxoebis
dacvaze izrunebs?
_ dacvas ar apirebs, magram
misi usafrTxoebisa da qonebis
xelyofas aravin gegmavs. Cveni
mizania, rom saqarTvelosa da
mis mosaxleobas vuSveloT. saswrafod
unda davayenoT ekonomika
fexze. bevri samuSaoa Casatarebeli
saerTaSoriso partniorebis
dasabruneblad.
Cven erTxel da samudamod unda
movwydeT rusul orbitas. momavali
parlamenti unda dakompleqtdes
aqtiuri moqalaqeebiT,
kargi xalxiT, idealistebiT.
sakanonmdeblo organoSi
iseTi xalxi unda Sevides, romelsac
qveynis fexze dayenebis
unari Seswevs.
_ aseTi kargi xalxi da ide-
alistebi arian opoziciaSi?
_ vfiqrob, rom opoziciaSi
aris aseTi xalxi. sxva SemTxveva-
Si, ver mivaRwevdiT imas, rasac
mivaRwieT.
_ miRwevebSi ras gulisx-
mobT?
_ Zalian bevri da erTmaneTisgan
gansxvavebuli politikuri
partia dasxda molaparakebebis
magidasTTan.
_ magidasTan erTad dasxdo-
ma bevrs arafers niSnavs.
_ rogor ar niSnavs. saqarTveloSi
Zalian Znelia gansxvavebuli
azrovnebis adamianebis erT
magidasTan dasma. Cven es SevZeliT.
amis garda xeli movawereT
SeTanxmebas, rom nafici msajulebis
sistemas SemoviRebT. vTqviT,
rom ucxoel mosamarTleebs
ufro vendobiT da meoremesame
instanciis sasamarTlos
maT CavabarebT. amiT marTalia,
suverenitets ki vkargavT, magram
sxvanairad ar gamodis. amaSi
`saakaSvilis gareSe
murman dumbaZe:
`rogorc 2012-
Si mosvliT
gagvaxara
`ocnebis~
liderma,
wels wasvliT
gagvaxarebs~
bolo 30 welmac dagvarwmuna.
xels vawerT uamravi sxva reformis
gatarebaze, maT Soris,
politikuri saxis reformebis.
magaliTisTvis: gadavalT sruliad
proporciul arCevnebze.
proporciulTan miaxloebuli
arCevnebi xom xelisuflebas opoziciam,
axalgazrdobam da mako
gomuris Tvalma daaniSvnina.
dRes rom saqarTveloSi proporciulTan
miaxloebuli arCevnebi
tardeba, es aqtiuri adamianebis
damsaxurebaa da ara imaTi,
romlebic politikaSi ragbidan,
kalaTburTidan an fexburTidan
Tu Widaobidan mividnen. am
kategoriis xalxs saerTod ar
ainteresebs, ra wesiT Catardeba
arCevnebi; arc is ainteresebs,
ra cvlilebebi gatardeba sasamarTloSi;
arc qveynis sagareo
kursze fiqrobs, maT mxolod
parlamentSi moxvedra, sakuTari
cxovrebis mowyoba da naTesavebis
dasaqmeba surT. Cveni azriT,
saqarTvelos parlamentSi
iseTi adamianebi unda SeuSva,
romlebic uxelfasodac ki imuSaveben.
_ uxelfasod vin Seva parla-
mentSi?
_ amis garkveva Zalian martivad
SeiZleba: aseTi eqsperimenti
CavataroT _ miviRoT kanoni,
rom saqarTvelos parlamentis
wevrebma uxelfasod imuSaon.
aseT SemTxvevaSi medroveebi
saarCevno siaSi aRar Caewerebian.
samagierod, saarCevno sia-
Si Caewereba daviT berZeniSvili,
radgan mas ainteresebs politika.
is politikisTvis aris dabadebuli.
_ Tqvensa da respublikelebs
Soris bolo wlebSi serio-
zuli dapirispireba iyo. axla
cota mikvirs, daviT berZeniS-
vilze ase rom saubrobT.
_ bolo aTi welia, rac daviT
berZeniSvilTan oponirebis
reJimSi var. amis miuxedavad,
ver uarvyof, rom is politikosia
da politikiT cxovrobs. mas
ainteresebs, rogor ganawildeba
xelisufleba. 2004-2012 wleb-
Si arc mixeil saakaSvili momwonda.
regionul doneze Cemze
Tavgadakluli oponenti miSas
ar hyolia.
_ samagierod, axla xarT misi
momxre.
_ imitom, rom mixeil saakaSvili
aris politikosi. ivaniS-
`ivaniSvils SeeZlo gaekeTebina is, rac
saakaSvilis xelisuflebam saerTod
ugulebelyo: ver moagvara prokuratura da
sasamarTlo sistema. biZinas am mimarTulebiT
rom gadaedga nabijebi, mixeil saakaSvilis
qarTul politikaSi dabrunebis saWiroebas
ver davinaxavdi~
vils SeeZlo gaekeTebina is, rac
saakaSvilis xelisuflebam saer-
Tod ugulebelyo: ver moagvara
prokuratura da sasamarTlo
sistema. biZinas am mimarTulebiT
rom gadaedga nabijebi, mixeil
saakaSvilis qarTul politikaSi
dabrunebis saWiroebas
ver davinaxavdi.
_ raSi sWirdeba qarTul
politikas mixeil saakaSvili?
_ mixeil saakaSvilis dabruneba
saWiro ki ara, gadaudebeli
aucileblobaa. uamravi
Savi saqmea gasakeTebeli.
_ Sav saqmeebSi ras gulisx-
mobT?
_ bevri mZime samuSaoa Casatarebeli,
uamravi saqmea gamosasworebeli.
dRes reputaciuli
riskis gawevaa saWiro. amis
unari ki mxolod mixeil saakaSvils
aqvs. amas mTeli msoflio
aRiarebs. mas dRemde miiCneven
msoflio klasis politikosad.
isic vaRiaroT, rom opozicia
mixeil saakaSvilis gareSe biZina
ivaniSvils ver daamarcxebs.
SevqmnaT masTan erTad koalicia,
mivideT arCevnebamde, davsxdeT
parlamentSi da saqarTvelos
moqalaqeebi amoviyvanoT
umZimesi gaWirvebidan. samegrelos,
guriisa da imereTis bevri
sofeli moviare. ukiduresi gaWirveba
vnaxe iq. am gaWirvebasTan
erTad isic davinaxe, rom saqar-
Tvelos mosaxleobis did umravlesobas
ukve miRebuli aqvs
gadawyvetileba, Tu ra arCevans
gaakeTebs oqtomberSi. isini
aucileblad Secvlian biZina
ivaniSvils. mas aRaraferi eSveleba
da 31 oqtombris saRamos
im marcxis aRiareba mouwevs,
romelic iwvnia saakaSvilma 2012
wlis pirvel oqtombers. ivaniSvilma
rogorc 2012 wlis pirvel
oqtombers gagvaxara mosvliT,
mimdinare wlis 31 oqtombers
wasvliT unda gagvaxaros.
darwmunebuli var, rom oqtomberSi
amiT marTla gavixarebT.
_ Tqven TqviT, rom saakaSvilis
gareSe ivaniSvils ver da-
vamarcxebTo. es SeiZleba mar-
Tlac asea, magram saakaSvilis
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