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ivaniSvils ver davamarcxebT~

faqtors „qarTuli ocneba”

xalxis dasaSineblad iyenebs _

miSa brundeba da isev saSinelebebi

datrialdeba saqarTvelo-

Sio. amasTan gamklavebas rogor

apirebT?

_ amasTan gamklaveba saWiro

aRar aris. aqamde marTla axerxebdnen

saakaSviliT xalxis SeSinebas,

magram axla es meTodi

ver gaWris. saakaSvili aucileblad

dabrundeba, am SemTxveva-

Si Cven konkretulad miSaze ki

ara, saqarTvelos moqalaqeze

unda visaubroT. vinc ambobs,

rom raSi gvWirdeba miSas Camosvlao,

is ugulebelyofs saqar-

Tvelos moqalaqeebis nebas. swored

rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeebzea

damokidebuli, rogor

da ranairad mova saqarTvelos

mesame prezidenti xelisuflebaSi.

me ar mesmis im opoziciuri

partiebis, romlebic Tavs

iklaven, rom arafriT dauWeren

mxars saakaSvilis premierobas.

_ ratom ar gesmiT? maT xom

aqvT ufleba, rom sakuTari

azri hqondeT da ar undodeT

miSa premierad?

_ amis ufleba rogor ar

aqvT, magram aq saubari ara konkretulad

miSas dabrunebaze,

aramed sxva rameze unda iyos.

Cven unda ganvsazRvroT algoriTmi,

Tu roogori wesiT

dasaxeldeba premieris Tanamdebobaze

adamiani. yvela partiam

unda daasaxelos Tavisi premierobis

kandidati da dae,

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebma gadawyviton,

Tu vin iqneba momavali

mTavrobis meTauri. saparlamento

arCevnebi TiTqmis proporciuli

wesiT tardeba. romeli

proporciac yvelaze warmatebuli

iqneba, bunebrivia, is Zala

moipovebs upiratesobas premieris

wardgenis dros. vTqvaT,

blokma „Zala erTobaSiam” arCevnebze

miiRo 49%, 1% miiRo

leiboristulma partiam da amdenive

_ „girCma”. Cven jamurad

gveqneba ukve 51%. am SemTxveva-

Si sam partias ukve SeeZleba,

rom mTavroba daakompleqtos.

am SemTxvevaSic ar iqneba gamarTlebuli,

rom „girCis” ufrosi

davniSnoT premierad da mixeil

saakaSvils vuTxraT uari,

romlis koaliciamac 49% aiRo.

amitom vambob, rom ara mixeil

saakaSvilze, aramed algoriTmze

unda SevTanxmdeT, Tu ra

wesiT vasaxelebT premieris kandidaturas.

mixeil saakaSvili koaliciuri

mmarTvelobisTvis mzad aris.

„Zala erTobaSiac” amis erTerTi

dasturia. am gaerTianebas

kidev SemouerTdebian sxva politikuri

partiebi. 2018 wlis

saprezidento arCevnebSi grigol

vaSaZem koaliciuri wesiT

moigo pirveli turi, praqtikulad.

„nacionaluri” moZraobis

wevri arasdros vyofilvar, magram

mas davuWire mxari. arc nika

maWutaZe yofila „nacionalebis”

momxre, magram manac grigol

vaSaZes dauWira mxari. dRes

`proporciulTan miaxloebuli arCevnebi xom xelisuflebas opoziciam,

axalgazrdobam da mako gomuris Tvalma daaniSvnina. dRes rom

saqarTveloSi proporciulTan miaxloebuli arCevnebi tardeba, es aqtiuri

adamianebis damsaxurebaa da ara imaTi, romlebic politikaSi ragbidan,

kalaTburTidan an fexburTidan Tu Widaobidan mividnen~

Cven gaerTianeba „Zala erToba-

Sia” varT mizidulobis Zala. aq

mTavari partia aris „nacionaluri

moZraoba”. is yvela politikur

Zalas ajobebs arCevneb-

Si da amaSi Rrmad var darwmunebuli.

_ ratom xarT aseTi darwmu-

nebuli?

_ imitom, rom vici xalxis

ganwyoba. uamrav adamianTan

mqonda Sexvedra. isini „nacionaluri

moZraobisTvis” apireben

xmis micemas. „nacionalebs” gansakuTrebiT

didi mxardaWera

aqvT regionebSi. ar vambob, rom

es Zalian kargia, magram dRes

aseTi mocemuloba gvaqvs da amas

unda gavyveT. dRes arCevani or

nomers _ 5-sa da 41-s Soris keTdeba.

dedaqalaqSi cota sxva vi-

Tarebaa da aq arCevani ufro

mravalferovani iqneba. saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebma unda gadawyviton,

vin iqneba koaliciaSi

da vin gaxdeba am koaliciis lideri.

koaliciuri modeli auci-

N20 (322) 15.09-21.09.2020 w.

leblad gamoasworebs im Secdomebs,

romlebic 2012 wlidan

dauSves. seriozulad aris fundamenti

imisTvis Cayrili, rom

xelisufleba ganawildes da dabalansdes.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom

xelisufleba dabalansdeba?

_ eWvi ar mepareba. is minusebi,

rac SevardnaZis, saakaSvilisa

da ivaniSvilis dros iyo, im

sistemam warmoqmna, raSic dRemde

vcxovrobT. am sistemis Secvla

gadawyvetilia.

_ zemoT TqviT, rom Semdegi

arCevnebi srulad proporciu-

li wesiT Catardeba, razedac

opozicia SeTanxmebuli varTo.

ra garantia gvaqvs, rom mar-

Tlac ase iqneba? Tqven, opoziciam

xom TanamSromlobis SeTanxmeba

gaaformeT kaxa oqriaSvilTan,

romelic Riad upir-

ispirdeboda

proporciul

sistemas?

_ Cvens blokSi kaxa oqriaSvilis

Semosvlas didi ambebi mo-

`vici xalxis ganwyoba. uamrav adamianTan

mqonda Sexvedra. isini `nacionaluri

moZraobisTvis~ apireben xmis micemas.

`nacionalebs~ gansakuTrebiT didi mxardaWera

aqvT regionebSi. ar vambob, rom es Zalian

kargia, magram dRes aseTi mocemuloba gvaqvs

da amas unda gavyveT. dRes arCevani or

nomers - 5-sa da 41-s Soris keTdeba~

hyva. amasTan dakavSirebiT Cemi

argumenti maqvs, romelsac yuradRebas

ar aqceven. Cven SeTanxmebulebi

varT, rom meore

turSi Tu romelime opoziciuri

kandidati „ocnebis” warmomadgenels

daupirispirdeba,

mTeli opozcia imas vuWerT mxars.

oqriaSvilis SemTxvevaSi ki

cota sxvanairad aris saqme. sxvaTa

Soris, es kaci araa xelwamosakravi

piriovneba. masTan

erTad oTxi weli vijeqi parlamentSi

da vicnob. is rom ma-

Joritaruli sistemis momxrea,

es misi principuli arCevania. is

ase fiqrobs da me mis arCevans

pativs vcem.

_ pativs ratom scemT, Tqven

xom maJoritaruli sistemis

mowinaaRmdege xarT?

_ oqriaSvils pativs imitom

vcem, rom es am adamianis principuli

arCevania. Cven amaze

adrec gvisaubria da is yovel-

Tvis mxars uWerda maJoritarul

sistemas, raSic me kategoriulad

ar veTanxmebi. axla

rac Seexeba imas, Tu ratom vu-

WerT mxars am adamians: oqriaSvili

dmanisSi, walkaSi, bolnissa

da TeTri wyaroSi didi avtoritetiT

sargeblobs da Sei-

Zleba, pirvelive turSi moigos.

pirvel turSi Tu ver moigo,

garantias gaZlevT, rom is meore

turis kandidatia. misi

konkurenti, savaradudod, xelisuflebis

warmomadgeneli

iqneba. Cven, opozicia xom SeTanxmebuli

varT, rom meore turSi

opoziciur kandidats davu-

WerT mxars. ase rom, oqriaSvilisTvis

mxardaWera mainc mogviwevs.

da Tu meore turSi vuWerT

mas mxars, ratom ar unda

davudgeT gverdiT pirvelive

turSi? Tanac maSin, roca viciT,

rom mas Tavis regionSi seriozuli

eleqtoraluri mxardaWera

aqvs. es aris mTavari

argumenti, ratomac Rirda

gaerTianeba da „Zala erToba-

Sia”-Si misi mosvla.

Cven nebismieri adamiani unda

gamoviyenoT imisTvis, rom ivaniSvilis

xelisufleba SevcvaloT.

„qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi

darCena aRar SeiZleba.

misi wyalobiT saqarTvelo dRes

umZimes mdgomareobaSia, rogorc

ekonomikuri, aseve politikuri

TvalsazrisiT. Zalian

seriozuli Cavardna gvaqvs sagareo

mimarTulebiT. lamis

yoveldRe vkargavT dasavlel

partniorebs. amerikidan dastadasta

modis werilebi imis Sesaxeb,

rom saqarTveloSi demokratia

saTanado doneze ar aris.

amerikelebi ukve Riad mogviwodeben,

rom rusul orbitas

movSordeT. roca senati da kongresi

ivaniSvils ruseTis mokav-

Sires eZaxis, amiT Zalian bevria

naTqvami. vaSingtoni miiCnevs,

rom „ocnebis” lideri ruseTis

interesebs atarebs da amiT

saqarTvelos azianebs. es Zalian

SemaSfoTebeli gancxadebebia.

Cven aucileblad da rac SeiZleba

swrafad unda movwydeT rusul

orbitas. es ar moxdeba, Tu

ivaniSvils xelisuflebas ar CamovaSorebT.

darwmunebuli var,

rom 31 oqtombris 20 saaTsa da

05 wuTze ivaniSvili damarcxebas

aRiarebs. darwmunebuli ki

var, rom marcxs aRiarebs, magram

mainc mivmarTav mis Svil

beras, rom mamas daelaparakos

da daarwmunos, rom arCevnebis

gayalbeba arc ki gaifiqros.

_ beras ratom mimarTavT?

_ imitom, rom ivaniSvils Zalian

uyvars bera. yvela Svili

Zalian uyvars, magram beras mimarT

gansakuTrebuli damokidebuleba

aqvs. mas usmens da mis

rCevebs iTvaliswinebs. amitom

mivmarTav mas _ dajdes mamasTan,

daelaparakos da erTi kargi teqstic

dauweros, romelsac ivaniSvili

politikidan wasvlis

win warmoTqvams. rogorc 2012

wels saakaSvilma aRiara damarcxeba,

wels aseve unda aRiaros

marcxi ivaniSvilma.

_ ramdenjerme axseneT 2012

weli da im xalxze minda gkiTx-

oT, vinc es Sedegi moitana. ratom

aRar arian isini ivaniSvi-

lis gverdiT? saarCevno siaSic

ki aRar svams maT, ra xdeba?

_ ivaniSvilma TanamebrZolebis

Camocileba didi xnis win daiwyo.

faqtobrivad, mas Semdeg,

rac xelisuflebaSi movida. 2012

wlis 2 oqtombers is ukve fiqrobda,

rom is xalxi moeSorebina,

visTan erTadac „nacionalebi”

daamarcxa. am gundSi politikosebi

iyvnen. arCevnebamde

biZina maT rCevebs iTvaliswinebda

da amitomac moigo arCevnebi.

misma faqtorma didi roli

iTamaSa gamarjvebaSi, magram gundi

rom ar hyoloda, verafers

gaxdeboda. dRes es gundi mas-

Tan aRar aris, yvela moiSora.

mis gverdiT mxolod is xalxia,

vinc beladis nebas dauyovnebliv

aRasrulebs. ivaniSvils

politikosebi aRar hyavs gund-

Si. misi damarcxebis erT-erTi

mizezi esec iqneba.

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