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ivaniSvils ver davamarcxebT~
faqtors „qarTuli ocneba”
xalxis dasaSineblad iyenebs _
miSa brundeba da isev saSinelebebi
datrialdeba saqarTvelo-
Sio. amasTan gamklavebas rogor
apirebT?
_ amasTan gamklaveba saWiro
aRar aris. aqamde marTla axerxebdnen
saakaSviliT xalxis SeSinebas,
magram axla es meTodi
ver gaWris. saakaSvili aucileblad
dabrundeba, am SemTxveva-
Si Cven konkretulad miSaze ki
ara, saqarTvelos moqalaqeze
unda visaubroT. vinc ambobs,
rom raSi gvWirdeba miSas Camosvlao,
is ugulebelyofs saqar-
Tvelos moqalaqeebis nebas. swored
rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeebzea
damokidebuli, rogor
da ranairad mova saqarTvelos
mesame prezidenti xelisuflebaSi.
me ar mesmis im opoziciuri
partiebis, romlebic Tavs
iklaven, rom arafriT dauWeren
mxars saakaSvilis premierobas.
_ ratom ar gesmiT? maT xom
aqvT ufleba, rom sakuTari
azri hqondeT da ar undodeT
miSa premierad?
_ amis ufleba rogor ar
aqvT, magram aq saubari ara konkretulad
miSas dabrunebaze,
aramed sxva rameze unda iyos.
Cven unda ganvsazRvroT algoriTmi,
Tu roogori wesiT
dasaxeldeba premieris Tanamdebobaze
adamiani. yvela partiam
unda daasaxelos Tavisi premierobis
kandidati da dae,
saqarTvelos moqalaqeebma gadawyviton,
Tu vin iqneba momavali
mTavrobis meTauri. saparlamento
arCevnebi TiTqmis proporciuli
wesiT tardeba. romeli
proporciac yvelaze warmatebuli
iqneba, bunebrivia, is Zala
moipovebs upiratesobas premieris
wardgenis dros. vTqvaT,
blokma „Zala erTobaSiam” arCevnebze
miiRo 49%, 1% miiRo
leiboristulma partiam da amdenive
_ „girCma”. Cven jamurad
gveqneba ukve 51%. am SemTxveva-
Si sam partias ukve SeeZleba,
rom mTavroba daakompleqtos.
am SemTxvevaSic ar iqneba gamarTlebuli,
rom „girCis” ufrosi
davniSnoT premierad da mixeil
saakaSvils vuTxraT uari,
romlis koaliciamac 49% aiRo.
amitom vambob, rom ara mixeil
saakaSvilze, aramed algoriTmze
unda SevTanxmdeT, Tu ra
wesiT vasaxelebT premieris kandidaturas.
mixeil saakaSvili koaliciuri
mmarTvelobisTvis mzad aris.
„Zala erTobaSiac” amis erTerTi
dasturia. am gaerTianebas
kidev SemouerTdebian sxva politikuri
partiebi. 2018 wlis
saprezidento arCevnebSi grigol
vaSaZem koaliciuri wesiT
moigo pirveli turi, praqtikulad.
„nacionaluri” moZraobis
wevri arasdros vyofilvar, magram
mas davuWire mxari. arc nika
maWutaZe yofila „nacionalebis”
momxre, magram manac grigol
vaSaZes dauWira mxari. dRes
`proporciulTan miaxloebuli arCevnebi xom xelisuflebas opoziciam,
axalgazrdobam da mako gomuris Tvalma daaniSvnina. dRes rom
saqarTveloSi proporciulTan miaxloebuli arCevnebi tardeba, es aqtiuri
adamianebis damsaxurebaa da ara imaTi, romlebic politikaSi ragbidan,
kalaTburTidan an fexburTidan Tu Widaobidan mividnen~
Cven gaerTianeba „Zala erToba-
Sia” varT mizidulobis Zala. aq
mTavari partia aris „nacionaluri
moZraoba”. is yvela politikur
Zalas ajobebs arCevneb-
Si da amaSi Rrmad var darwmunebuli.
_ ratom xarT aseTi darwmu-
nebuli?
_ imitom, rom vici xalxis
ganwyoba. uamrav adamianTan
mqonda Sexvedra. isini „nacionaluri
moZraobisTvis” apireben
xmis micemas. „nacionalebs” gansakuTrebiT
didi mxardaWera
aqvT regionebSi. ar vambob, rom
es Zalian kargia, magram dRes
aseTi mocemuloba gvaqvs da amas
unda gavyveT. dRes arCevani or
nomers _ 5-sa da 41-s Soris keTdeba.
dedaqalaqSi cota sxva vi-
Tarebaa da aq arCevani ufro
mravalferovani iqneba. saqarTvelos
moqalaqeebma unda gadawyviton,
vin iqneba koaliciaSi
da vin gaxdeba am koaliciis lideri.
koaliciuri modeli auci-
N20 (322) 15.09-21.09.2020 w.
leblad gamoasworebs im Secdomebs,
romlebic 2012 wlidan
dauSves. seriozulad aris fundamenti
imisTvis Cayrili, rom
xelisufleba ganawildes da dabalansdes.
_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom
xelisufleba dabalansdeba?
_ eWvi ar mepareba. is minusebi,
rac SevardnaZis, saakaSvilisa
da ivaniSvilis dros iyo, im
sistemam warmoqmna, raSic dRemde
vcxovrobT. am sistemis Secvla
gadawyvetilia.
_ zemoT TqviT, rom Semdegi
arCevnebi srulad proporciu-
li wesiT Catardeba, razedac
opozicia SeTanxmebuli varTo.
ra garantia gvaqvs, rom mar-
Tlac ase iqneba? Tqven, opoziciam
xom TanamSromlobis SeTanxmeba
gaaformeT kaxa oqriaSvilTan,
romelic Riad upir-
ispirdeboda
proporciul
sistemas?
_ Cvens blokSi kaxa oqriaSvilis
Semosvlas didi ambebi mo-
`vici xalxis ganwyoba. uamrav adamianTan
mqonda Sexvedra. isini `nacionaluri
moZraobisTvis~ apireben xmis micemas.
`nacionalebs~ gansakuTrebiT didi mxardaWera
aqvT regionebSi. ar vambob, rom es Zalian
kargia, magram dRes aseTi mocemuloba gvaqvs
da amas unda gavyveT. dRes arCevani or
nomers - 5-sa da 41-s Soris keTdeba~
hyva. amasTan dakavSirebiT Cemi
argumenti maqvs, romelsac yuradRebas
ar aqceven. Cven SeTanxmebulebi
varT, rom meore
turSi Tu romelime opoziciuri
kandidati „ocnebis” warmomadgenels
daupirispirdeba,
mTeli opozcia imas vuWerT mxars.
oqriaSvilis SemTxvevaSi ki
cota sxvanairad aris saqme. sxvaTa
Soris, es kaci araa xelwamosakravi
piriovneba. masTan
erTad oTxi weli vijeqi parlamentSi
da vicnob. is rom ma-
Joritaruli sistemis momxrea,
es misi principuli arCevania. is
ase fiqrobs da me mis arCevans
pativs vcem.
_ pativs ratom scemT, Tqven
xom maJoritaruli sistemis
mowinaaRmdege xarT?
_ oqriaSvils pativs imitom
vcem, rom es am adamianis principuli
arCevania. Cven amaze
adrec gvisaubria da is yovel-
Tvis mxars uWerda maJoritarul
sistemas, raSic me kategoriulad
ar veTanxmebi. axla
rac Seexeba imas, Tu ratom vu-
WerT mxars am adamians: oqriaSvili
dmanisSi, walkaSi, bolnissa
da TeTri wyaroSi didi avtoritetiT
sargeblobs da Sei-
Zleba, pirvelive turSi moigos.
pirvel turSi Tu ver moigo,
garantias gaZlevT, rom is meore
turis kandidatia. misi
konkurenti, savaradudod, xelisuflebis
warmomadgeneli
iqneba. Cven, opozicia xom SeTanxmebuli
varT, rom meore turSi
opoziciur kandidats davu-
WerT mxars. ase rom, oqriaSvilisTvis
mxardaWera mainc mogviwevs.
da Tu meore turSi vuWerT
mas mxars, ratom ar unda
davudgeT gverdiT pirvelive
turSi? Tanac maSin, roca viciT,
rom mas Tavis regionSi seriozuli
eleqtoraluri mxardaWera
aqvs. es aris mTavari
argumenti, ratomac Rirda
gaerTianeba da „Zala erToba-
Sia”-Si misi mosvla.
Cven nebismieri adamiani unda
gamoviyenoT imisTvis, rom ivaniSvilis
xelisufleba SevcvaloT.
„qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi
darCena aRar SeiZleba.
misi wyalobiT saqarTvelo dRes
umZimes mdgomareobaSia, rogorc
ekonomikuri, aseve politikuri
TvalsazrisiT. Zalian
seriozuli Cavardna gvaqvs sagareo
mimarTulebiT. lamis
yoveldRe vkargavT dasavlel
partniorebs. amerikidan dastadasta
modis werilebi imis Sesaxeb,
rom saqarTveloSi demokratia
saTanado doneze ar aris.
amerikelebi ukve Riad mogviwodeben,
rom rusul orbitas
movSordeT. roca senati da kongresi
ivaniSvils ruseTis mokav-
Sires eZaxis, amiT Zalian bevria
naTqvami. vaSingtoni miiCnevs,
rom „ocnebis” lideri ruseTis
interesebs atarebs da amiT
saqarTvelos azianebs. es Zalian
SemaSfoTebeli gancxadebebia.
Cven aucileblad da rac SeiZleba
swrafad unda movwydeT rusul
orbitas. es ar moxdeba, Tu
ivaniSvils xelisuflebas ar CamovaSorebT.
darwmunebuli var,
rom 31 oqtombris 20 saaTsa da
05 wuTze ivaniSvili damarcxebas
aRiarebs. darwmunebuli ki
var, rom marcxs aRiarebs, magram
mainc mivmarTav mis Svil
beras, rom mamas daelaparakos
da daarwmunos, rom arCevnebis
gayalbeba arc ki gaifiqros.
_ beras ratom mimarTavT?
_ imitom, rom ivaniSvils Zalian
uyvars bera. yvela Svili
Zalian uyvars, magram beras mimarT
gansakuTrebuli damokidebuleba
aqvs. mas usmens da mis
rCevebs iTvaliswinebs. amitom
mivmarTav mas _ dajdes mamasTan,
daelaparakos da erTi kargi teqstic
dauweros, romelsac ivaniSvili
politikidan wasvlis
win warmoTqvams. rogorc 2012
wels saakaSvilma aRiara damarcxeba,
wels aseve unda aRiaros
marcxi ivaniSvilma.
_ ramdenjerme axseneT 2012
weli da im xalxze minda gkiTx-
oT, vinc es Sedegi moitana. ratom
aRar arian isini ivaniSvi-
lis gverdiT? saarCevno siaSic
ki aRar svams maT, ra xdeba?
_ ivaniSvilma TanamebrZolebis
Camocileba didi xnis win daiwyo.
faqtobrivad, mas Semdeg,
rac xelisuflebaSi movida. 2012
wlis 2 oqtombers is ukve fiqrobda,
rom is xalxi moeSorebina,
visTan erTadac „nacionalebi”
daamarcxa. am gundSi politikosebi
iyvnen. arCevnebamde
biZina maT rCevebs iTvaliswinebda
da amitomac moigo arCevnebi.
misma faqtorma didi roli
iTamaSa gamarjvebaSi, magram gundi
rom ar hyoloda, verafers
gaxdeboda. dRes es gundi mas-
Tan aRar aris, yvela moiSora.
mis gverdiT mxolod is xalxia,
vinc beladis nebas dauyovnebliv
aRasrulebs. ivaniSvils
politikosebi aRar hyavs gund-
Si. misi damarcxebis erT-erTi
mizezi esec iqneba.
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