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opoziciasac akontrolebs~

atarebs Cvenze? politikaSi

rom movida Tqva, fsiqoanal-

iziT var gatacebulio.

_ ar dagimalavT da amaze

mec mifiqria. SeiZleba, marTlac

eqsperimentebs atarebs Cvenze,

magram imaze ar ufiqria,

Tu rogor dasruldeba es eqsperimenti?

ra icis, iqneb, mis-

Tvis yvelaferi cudad dasruldes.

_ mis mier gadadgmuli

nabijebiT Tu vimsjelebT,

namdvilad ar fiqrobs, Tu

rogor dasruldeba es eqsper-

imenti.

_ misi nabijebi CemSic bevr

gakvirvebas iwvevs da ver vxvdebi,

ase ratom iqceva. Sei-

Zleba, Tavad Cavardes Zalian

cud mdgomareobaSi.

_ aseT lafsusebs imitom

xom ar uSvebs, rom garemoc-

vas hyavs SecdomaSi Seyvanili

da arsebul situaciaze aras-

wor informacias awvdis?

_ amaSi ver dageTanxmebiT,

rom is garemocvas SecdomaSi

hyavs Seyvanili. es gamoricxulia.

biZina ivaniSvili ar aris

is adamiani, romelsac garemocva

moatyuebs.

_ aba, Tavs ityuebs?

_ Tavs ityuebs Tu ara, ar

vici, magram darwmunebuli var,

rom man SesaniSnavad icis, Tu

ra xdeba qveyanaSi. TalakvaZem

da maTikaSvilma rogor unda

moatyuon ivaniSvili? es warmoudgenelia.

_ maTikaSvili vaxseneT da

rogor moxda, rom ivaniSvilma

is pirvel oceulSi ar gaam-

wesa?

_ pirvel oceulSi ver moxvda,

magram cota qveviT Casvams,

magaliTad, meore oceul-

Si. sajarod vacxadeb, daviT

maTikaSvili „qarTuli ocnebis”

siaSi rom ar vixilo, Zalian

gavbrazdebi.

_ dito samxaraZis siis miR-

ma darCeniTac „ukmayofilo”

CandiT.

_ ukmayofilo viqnebi, aba,

ra! velodi, rom pirvel sameulSi

Cawerda mas biZina ivaniSvili.

misi aryofna siis pirvel

oceulSi didi danaklisia

mmarTveli partiisTvis.

_ xumroba iqiT iyos da ratom

gawies saparlamento si-

idan gverdiT? SemTxveviT,

ministrobisTvis xom ar amza-

deben?

_ biZina ivaniSvils iseTi

gadawyvetilebebi aqvs miRebuli,

ar gamovricxav, rom dito

samxaraZes marTlac Caabaros

romelime saministro. sanam samxaraZe

ministrad dauniSnavT,

gavixsenoT, ramdeni municipalitetisa

Tu qalaqis meri an

sakrebulos Tavmjdomare gau-

Sva „qarTulma ocnebam” saxl-

Si. zogierTi cixeSic moxvda.

zusti cifris dasaxeleba gami-

Wirdeba, gaSvebulTa raodenoba

ocs namdvilad aWarbebs. regionebi

samxaraZes hqonda Cabarebuli

da yvela es kadri man

`dReis monacemebiT piradad me ver vxedav Zalas, romelic arsebul

xelisuflebas Secvlis. horizontze cvlilebebi, jerjerobiT, ar Cans. amas

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebic xedaven da amiT imSvideben Tavs. mxolod

ase Tu apireben fons gasvlas. es, pirvel rigSi, maTTvis iqneba cudi. aseTi

viTareba didxans ver gastans~

SesTavaza biZina ivaniSvils.

masTan erTad kadrebis Ser-

CevaSi soso gogaSvilic monawileobda.

am merebisa da sakrebuloebis

gaSvebis Semxedvares

erTi kiTxva mebadeba, ar interesdeba

„qarTuli ocnebis”

lideri, vin moiyvana partiaSi

es xalxi da visi rekomendaciiT

moxvda Tanamdebobaze? mgoni,

aseT dros aseTi kiTxva

logikuria.

_ wesiT, ivaniSvils am sak-

iTxze kiTxvis dasma ar unda

sWirdebodes. Tavad ar TqviT,

„qarTuli ocnebis” liderma

yvelaferi iciso?

_ icis da, maT Soris, isic,

Tu vin gauwia am xalxs rekomendacia.

aqedan gamomdinare,

daskvna aseTia _ saqarTvelos

mosaxleobaze eqsperimenti gr-

Zeldeba, romelic Zalian cudad

dasruldeba.

_ socialur qselSi Tqven

gia xuxaSvils leqsi dauwer-

eT. is Tqveni muza mas Semdeg

gaxda, rac am ukanasknelma

premieris saqmianoba moiwona.

ratom SemoswyeriT mas,

eqspertsac xom aqvs ufleba,

viRaca moiwonos?

_ araferic ar Semovswyeri,

xuxaSvils sruli ufleba aqvs,

vinc unda, is Seaqos. aq sul

sxva ramea mTavari. da iciT, ra

aris am qveynis ubedureba? is,

rom giorgi gaxaria iTvleba

yvelaze seriozul politikur

figurad. es adamiani ivaniSvilis

politikis pirobebSi

gamoCnda.

_ Tavis droze kvirikaS-

vilic gamorCeuli ar iyo?

_ Zalian gTxovT, giorgi

kvirikaSvilze nu vilaparakebT.

misi da gaxarias Sedareba

ar SeiZleba. dRes saqarTvelo

`iciT, ra aris am qveynis ubedureba? is, rom

giorgi gaxaria iTvleba yvelaze seriozul

politikur figurad. es adamiani ivaniSvilis

politikis pirobebSi gamoCnda~

da misi mosaxleoba sistemuri

problemis winaSe dgas. dRes

xelisufleba Camokidebulia

erT kacze da yvela gadawyvetilebas

es erTi kaci iRebs.

„qarTul ocnebaSi” damoukidebeli

politikuri figurebi ar

arian. arsebuli sistemidan gamomdinare

es SeuZlebelia. es

sistema ar iZleva imis saSualebas,

rom adamianebma damoukideblad

miiRon gadawyvetilebebi

da sakuTari SesaZleblobebi

gamoavlinon.

_ arsebul sistemaSi arc

margvelaSvili yofila damoukidebeli

politikuri figu-

ra? prezidentad yofnis Jams

man xom gabeda da biZina ivaniSvilis

nebis winaaRmdeg wav-

ida?

_ ar minda giorgi margvela-

Svilze saubari. ar minda, rom

saqarTvelos prezidentze rame

cudi wamomcdes. amitom

Tavs Sevikaveb komentarisgan

da Tqvenc araferi mkiTxoT

masze.

_ saqarTvelos prezidenti

iyo mixeil saakaSvilic. kiTx-

va rom dagisvaT, maszec

arafers gvetyviT?

_ margvelaSvili sul sxvaa

da miSa _ sul sxva. saakaSvilze

imdeni rame vTqvi, rom salaparako

aRar damrCa. Cemze meti

aravis usaubria masze da arc

mis winaaRmdeg ubrZoliaT imdeni,

ramdenic me vibrZole.

miSaze Tu mkiTxavT, visaubreb,

magram margvelaSvilze

arafers vityvi.

_ „ocnebaSi” damoukidebeli

figurebi ar ariano. opoziciaSi

Tu aris aseTi xalxi? yve-

la partias hyavs lideri da is

Rebulobs gadawyvetilebas.

gansxvavebuli viTarebaa „evropul

saqarTveloSi”. am par-

tias ramdenime Tanabari Zalis

lideri hyavs.

_ am liderebs ar gaaCniaT

imis Zala, rom qveyanaSi realuri

cvlilebebi ganaxorciel-

on. aseTi gancda maqvs, rom opoziciasac

sakmaod kargad akontrolebs

biZina ivaniSvili.

amitom maT damoukideblad moqmedebas

skeptikurad vuyureb.

_ ras gulisxmobT roca ambobT,

rom ivaniSvili opozi-

cias akontrolebs? Sekrulebi

arian da erT TamaSs Tama-

Soben?

_ imisTvis, rom opozicia

ivaniSvilma akontrolos, Sekvra

da pirdapiri dialogi

saWiro ar aris.

_ aba, ra aris saWiro?

_ ivaniSvili opoziciis Secdomebs

iyenebda warsulSi, iyenebs

axlac da momavalSic gamoiyenebs.

_ uSecdomo arc isaa da mis

Secdomebs ver gamoiyenebs

opozicia?

_ jerjerobiT am Secdomebs

opozicia ver iyenebs. xval ra

iqneba, ar vici. araerTxel vTqvi

am interviuSi da kidev vityvi,

rom dReis monacemebiT

opozicia xelisuflebas ver

Secvlis.

_ 2012 welsac ase Canda, ma-

gram cixis kadrebma bevri

rame Secvala. welsac SeiZle-

ba, arCevnebis win raRac iseTi

moxdes, romelic arsebul su-

raTs radikalurad Secvlis.

_ saubris dasawyisSive giTxariT,

rom mtkicebiT formaSi

ar vambob, opozicia „qarTul

ocnebas” ver daamarcxebs. axlac

vityvi, rom yvelaferi

SeiZleba moxdes. ra _ amaze ar

vimarCieloT. politikaSi Sei-

Zleba winaswar Tqma, rom ase da

ase iqneba, magram mtkicebiTi

formiT saubari saWiro araa.

_ saakaSvilis SesaZlo dab-

runebaze ras fiqrobT? rac

qveynidan wavida, yvela arCevnebis

win dabrunebas aanonsebs.

axlac Tqva, davbrunde-

bio.

_ saakaSvilis dabrunebaze

leqss davwer da gamogigzavniT,

eg iqneba Cemi pasuxi.

_ bolo dros raRac moux-

SireT leqsebis weras da ar-

Cil TalakvaZes xom ar baZavT?

_ TalakvaZe dabadebuli ar

iyo, me rom leqsebs vwerdi. er-

Ti egaa, aluCaze araferi damiweria.

_ xumroba kargia, magram

saubris bolos isev seriozul

Temaze gadavideT. Tqveni azr-

iT, saarCevno procesi mSvidad

Caivlis?

_ dReis monacemebiT opozicias

arsebuli xelisuflebis

Secvla ar SeuZlia. amis miuxedavad,

arCevnebze daZabuloba

aucileblad iqneba. bolo

dros erT rameze vamaxvileb

yuradRebas da saubarsac am

TemiT davasruleb: ar mgonia,

rom dasavleTma arCevnebSi vinmes

Tavneboba apatios. dasavleTi

„ocnebis” liders aranair

darRvevas aRar gautarebs.

es biZina ivaniSvilma kargad

unda gaacnobieros.

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