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ratom miiRo es gadawyvetile-
ba da ratom SeaCera arCevani
maincdamainc daviT WiWinaZis gun-
dze? _ „qronika+” lia muxaSavrias
esaubra:
_ qalbatono lia, Tavidanve
gavarkvioT, vis vesaubrebi _
uflebadamcvels, fermersa Tu aw
ukve politikoss?
_ samive statusi misaRebia, radgan
samive simarTles Seefereba _
dRes sami statusis qveS aqtiurad
vmoqmedeb.
_ ise, adamianis uflebebis
dacva Tu fermerobac iribad
politikaa da bolo TviTm-
marTvelobis arCevnebSi, rogorc
maJoritari, guriaSi kenWsac iyridiT,
magram politikuri parti-
is wevri aqamde ar yofilxarT.
ratom gadawyviteT, rom partia-
Si gawevrianebuliyaviT?
_ 30 welia, uflebadamcveli
var da iseTi miRwevebiT datrabaxeba,
romelic am kuTxiT maqvs da,
albaT, momavalSic meqneba, bevrs
ar SeuZlia. saerTod, Cemi saqmianobiT
mudmivad vcdilob, rom am
qveyanaSi samarTlianoba damkvidrdes
da adamianis uflebebi daculi
iyos, magram Cemi Sedegebis miuxedavad,
romelTac saqarTvelo-
Si arsebul viTarebaze gavlena
moaxdines, mivxvdi, rom es sakmarisi
araa, anu tramalis mgeliviT
marto brZolam Sedegi, maincdamainc,
ver momitana. Suaxans rom
gadascdebi da sakuTar cxovrebas
aanalizeb, imaze iwyeb fiqrs, ra
SeiZleba, iseTi gaakeTo, rom
ufro Rirseulad icxovro da adamianebisTvisac
meti gaakeTo. mokled,
vifiqre, rom parlamentSi
mosvliTa da sakanonmdeblo saqmianobaSi
CarTulobiT ufro metis
gakeTeba SemiZlia. sxvaTa Soris,
jer kidev 80-ian wlebSi, roca
erovnuli moZraoba daiwyo, studentebma
muSaoba sakonstitucio
cvlilebebze daviwyeT da es, ase
vTqvaT, procesi mTeli Cemi profesiuli
saqmianobis ganmavlobaSi
ar Semiwyvetia, Tumca yvelaferi
iseTi Sedegiani ar aRmoCnda,
rogoric mindoda, rom yofiliyo.
_ gasagebia, rom parlamentidan
adamianis uflebaTa kuTxiT Sesa-
Zloa, ufro bevri ram gaakeToT,
magram am qveyanaSi uamravi partiaa,
Tqven ki arCevani axalSeqmnil
„tribunaze” SeaCereT. ra-
tom?
_ kargi kiTxvaa da aucileblad
gipasuxebT. imaSic geTanxmebiT,
rom Zalian bevri partiaa da gansakuTrebiT
mravalferovani opoziciuri
speqtria, magram yvela SemoTavazebas
yuradRebiT gavecani.
_ anu „tribunas” garda Tavis
rigebSi gawevrianebas sxva parti-
ac gTavazobdaT?
_ diax, ramdenime seriozuli
SemoTavazeba mqonda.
_ konkretulad, romeli par-
tiebisgan?
_ amas ar davasaxeleb, radgan ar
minda, vinmes vawyenino, anu arae-
Tikurad gamomivides.
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`vici, brZola vis da ris
am adamians mTeli saqarTvelo
giorgi abaSiZe
jer ise icnobda, rogorc ufle-
badamcvelsa da warmatebul
iurists; mere profesia nawilobriv Seicvala da fermerobas
mihyo xeli; axla ki lia muxaSavria politikaSi wavida, anu
wlevandel arCevnebSi maJoritarobisTvis ar ibrZolebs, ma-
gram „tribunas” partiul siaSi iqneba.
_ ukacravad, araeTikuroba ra
SuaSia?
_ maT uari vuTxari, „tribunas”
ki davTanxmdi. daviT WiWinaZes
didi xania, vicnob, misi mxolod
politikuri ki ara, sxva saqmianobis
Sesaxebac vici da mjera, rom
am adamians Zalian keTilsindisieri
ganzraxva aqvs, raTa qveyana-
Si arsebuli mZime mdgomareoba marTlac
Secvalos. Cemi azriT, „tribunas”
yvelaze swori xedva aqvs,
Tu rogor SeiZleba qveynisa da adamianebis
usasoo ekonomikuri krizisidan
gamoyvana. daviT WiWinaZe
ufro ekonomikur sakiTxebzea
fokusirebuli, me ki _ samarTlebrivze.
amitom mgonia, karg tandems
SevqmniT, raTa parlamentSi Cveni
saqmianoba ufro qmediTi iyos.
_ WiWinaZem „tribunaSi” gawevrianeba
rom SemogTavazaT, maSinve
dasTanxmdiT Tu mosafiqre-
blad dro iTxoveT?
_ ver getyviT, ramdeni saaTi da
dRe vfiqrobdi, magram viTareba
da isic gavaanalize, Tu rogori
saarCevno kampania aqvT garkveul
subieqtebs da gadawyvetilebac
amis mere miviRe. saerTod, siZulvilis
ena da agresia CemTvis miuRebelia.
me konstruqciuli, optimisturi
da pozitiuri kampania
momwons. am TvalsazrisiT „tribunas”
kampania CemSi simpaTias iwvevs.
_ optimizmi da konstruqcia
gasagebia, magram, qalbatono lia,
Tqven liberali xarT, daviT Wi-
WinaZe ki, minimum, liberaluri
ekonomikis winaaRmdeg ilaSqrebs
da mTavar aqcents tradiciul
Rirebulebebze akeTebs. hoda,
amis gamo Tqven Soris azrTa sx-
vadasxvaoba ar aris?
_ esec, weRandelis msgavsad,
Zalian kargi kiTxvaa da madlobas
geubnebiT, rom meZleva saSualeba,
ganvmarto, Tu ratom daemTxva Cveni
mosazrebebi da poziciebi. dRes
Cven mxolod finansur da ekonomikur
ki ara, Zalian Rrma moralur
krizisSic varT. amitom radikaluri
RonisZiebebis gatareba da
iseTi politikuri nebis Seqmna
gvWirdeba, romelic am mdgomareobas
odnav mainc gamoasworebs da
adamianebs amosunTqvis saSualebas
miscems. am viTarebaSi liberalizmisa
da maqsimaluri Tavisuflebis
gamoyeneba ki SesaZloa, upriani
da Sedegis momtani ar iyos.
_ anu Tqvens principebsa da
Sexedulebebze uars ambobT?
_ ara, ubralod, Seqmnili vi-
Tarebidan gamosvla da misi Secvla
mxolod radikaluri nabijebiT
SeiZleba. liberaluri da demokratiuli
mimarTulebebis dro maSin
dgeba, roca qveyanaSi simdidre da
naklebi gaWirvebaa. momavali oTxi
wlis ganmavlobaSi saqarTvelos
parlamentma, aRmasrulebel xelisuflebasTan
erTad, yvelaferi
unda gaakeTos, rom es umZimesi ekonomikuri
da usaSvelo finansuri
gaWirveba Secvalos. amis Semdeg ki
sxvagvari politikis dro dadgeba.
ase rom, am kuTxiT Cemi da daviT
lia muxaSavria:
`siZulvilis ena
da agresia
CemTvis
miuRebelia. me
konstruqciuli,
optimisturi da
pozitiuri
kampania momwons~
WiWinaZis Sexedulebebi erTmane-
Tis absoluturad Tanxvedria.
_ qalbatono lia, mainc, ra
mkveTri nabijebi unda gadaidgas,
romelic am umZimesi politikuri
Tu ekonomikuri krizisidan ga-
mogviyvans?
_ pirvel rigSi, iseTi samTavrobo
gundis Seqmnaa aucilebeli,
romelic krizisuli mdgomareobis
daZlevaze iqneba orientirebuli.
amasTan, aucileblad unda gan-
Tavisufldes qveyana da mosaxleoba
bankebis monopoliebisgan.
_ qveynis bankebis monopoliis-
gan ganTavisuflebaze TiTqmis
yvela politikosi laparakobs,
magram saamisod konkretuli geg-
ma jer aravis warmoudgenia...
_ erovnuli bankis Sesaxeb kanonis
Tanaxmad, erovnuli bankis xelmZRvanelobas
Zalian mniSvnelovani
sakanonmdebo berketi aqvs,
romliTac bankebis monopoliis
dasruleba SesaZlebelia, magram
dRes politikuri neba ar arsebobs
da, Sesabamisad, erovnuli banki im
mTavar funqcias ar asrulebs,
romelic konstituciiT evaleba.
amitomac bankebs sruli Tavisufleba
aqvT, warmoudgenel da
ararealistur saprocento ganakveTebs
aweseben da am gziT fizikuri
Tu iuridiuli pirebis
qonebas xelSi igdeben.
mokled, dRes saqarTvelos ori
okupanti hyavs: erTia ruseTi, romelmac
Cveni teritoriebi daipyro
da meorea sabanko seqtori, romelsac
mosaxleobis qoneba, praqtikulad,
okupirebuli aqvs. Sesabamisad,
aTasobiT ojaxi sakuTari
sacxovreblidan gamosaxlebas
elis da sazogadoebaSi pesimizmis
gancdas swored es aCens, anu adamianebi
am qveyanaSi sakuTar momavals
ver xedaven. yvelafer amas
wertili unda daesvas!
bankirebs seriozuli finansuri
berketebi aqvT, rom politikaSi,
sakanonmdeblo Tu aRmasrulebel
doneze, sakuTari miznebisa da amocanebis
lobireba SeZlon, Tumca
axla miaCniaT, rom es lobireba
sakmarisi aRaraa da amitom cdiloben,
politikaSi movidnen da im
gadawyvetilebebis uSualo mim-
Rebni gaxdnen, romelic maT finansur
Zalauflebasa da monopolias
kidev ufro gaaZlierebs.
dRes swored am viTarebis Secvlaa
mniSvnelovani, radgan amis Semdeg
`daviT WiWinaZes didi xania, vicnob, misi
mxolod politikuri ki ara, sxva saqmianobis
Sesaxebac vici da mjera, rom am adamians Zalian
keTilsindisieri ganzraxva aqvs, raTa qveyanaSi
arsebuli mZime mdgomareoba marTlac Secvalos.
Cemi azriT, `tribunas
tribunas~ yvelaze swori xedva aqvs,
Tu rogor SeiZleba qveynisa da adamianebis
usasoo ekonomikuri krizisidan gamoyvana. daviT
WiWinaZe ufro ekonomikur sakiTxebzea
fokusirebuli, me ki - samarTlebrivze~
aTi aTasobiT adamianis qonebrivi
ufleba aRdgeba.
erTi sityviT, pirvel rigSi
rac unda gavakeToT, isaa, rom
erovnuli bankis sabWo da prezidenti
Seicvalos. meore mniSvnelovani
sakiTxi ki adamianebisTvis
TaRliTurad da ukanonod
waglejili qonebis dabrunebaa,
Tumca am ukanonobaze sagamoZiebo
organoebi ar reagireben. sagamo-
Ziebo meqanizmebis amoqmedebac
aucilebelia, Tumca amisTvisac
politikuri nebaa saWiro.
_ qalbatono lia, rogor unda
dadgindes, rom bankebi xalxs
qonebas TaRliTuri sqemiT arT-
mevdnen da arTmeven?
_ roca kreditis daufaraobis
gamo moqalaqis ipoTekaSi Cadebuli
qoneba aRsrulebaze gaaqvT da
am qonebas, TiTqos, auqcionis Sedegad,
bankebi, maTi TanamSromlebi
an mevaxSeebi iformeben, saxelmwifos
saSemosavlo gadasaxadi unda
gadauxadon, magram saSemosavlo
gadasaxadi aravis gadauxdia. yvelasTvis
gasagebi rom gaxdes, Tu
raze vsaubrob, nino burjanaZis-
Tvis, parlamentis dadgenilebiT,
erT larad wyneTis rezidenciis
gadacemas gavixseneb: qalbatonma
ninom am qonebaze saSemosavlo gadasaxadi
ar gadaixada da amitom
es saxli CamoarTves. marTalia,
nino burjanaZe am Temas asaCivrebda,
magram sasamarTloSi ver moigo,
radgan saSemosavlo gadaxdili
ar hqonda da, Sesabamisad, qonebac
sruliad kanonierad CamoerTva.
mokled, imis Tqma minda, rom Tu
politikuri neba iqneba, es meqanizmi
amuSavdeba da Cven mxolod
obieqturi da politikuri gavlenebisgan
Tavisufal marTlmsajulebis
sistemas ki ara, damoukidebel
da miukerZoebel sagamoZiebo
organosac SevqmniT. amasTan, samarTaldamcveli
uwyebis tal-
Risebur ki ara, Zirfesvian reformas
gavatarebT da yvelaferi es
SesaZlebels gaxdis, rom xalxi kabaluri
mdgomareobidan gan-
Tavisufldes da misi darRveuli
qonebrivi uflebebic aRdges. yvelafer
amas ki qveyanaSi ekonomikuri
mdgomareobis aSkara gajansaReba
mohyveba.
_ imisTvis, rom es gaakeToT,
„tribuna” xelisuflebaSi umravlesobiT
unda movides, rac war-
moudgenelia. Tqveni politikuri
lideri ki koaliciis Seqmnas arc
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