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ratom miiRo es gadawyvetile-

ba da ratom SeaCera arCevani

maincdamainc daviT WiWinaZis gun-

dze? _ „qronika+” lia muxaSavrias

esaubra:

_ qalbatono lia, Tavidanve

gavarkvioT, vis vesaubrebi _

uflebadamcvels, fermersa Tu aw

ukve politikoss?

_ samive statusi misaRebia, radgan

samive simarTles Seefereba _

dRes sami statusis qveS aqtiurad

vmoqmedeb.

_ ise, adamianis uflebebis

dacva Tu fermerobac iribad

politikaa da bolo TviTm-

marTvelobis arCevnebSi, rogorc

maJoritari, guriaSi kenWsac iyridiT,

magram politikuri parti-

is wevri aqamde ar yofilxarT.

ratom gadawyviteT, rom partia-

Si gawevrianebuliyaviT?

_ 30 welia, uflebadamcveli

var da iseTi miRwevebiT datrabaxeba,

romelic am kuTxiT maqvs da,

albaT, momavalSic meqneba, bevrs

ar SeuZlia. saerTod, Cemi saqmianobiT

mudmivad vcdilob, rom am

qveyanaSi samarTlianoba damkvidrdes

da adamianis uflebebi daculi

iyos, magram Cemi Sedegebis miuxedavad,

romelTac saqarTvelo-

Si arsebul viTarebaze gavlena

moaxdines, mivxvdi, rom es sakmarisi

araa, anu tramalis mgeliviT

marto brZolam Sedegi, maincdamainc,

ver momitana. Suaxans rom

gadascdebi da sakuTar cxovrebas

aanalizeb, imaze iwyeb fiqrs, ra

SeiZleba, iseTi gaakeTo, rom

ufro Rirseulad icxovro da adamianebisTvisac

meti gaakeTo. mokled,

vifiqre, rom parlamentSi

mosvliTa da sakanonmdeblo saqmianobaSi

CarTulobiT ufro metis

gakeTeba SemiZlia. sxvaTa Soris,

jer kidev 80-ian wlebSi, roca

erovnuli moZraoba daiwyo, studentebma

muSaoba sakonstitucio

cvlilebebze daviwyeT da es, ase

vTqvaT, procesi mTeli Cemi profesiuli

saqmianobis ganmavlobaSi

ar Semiwyvetia, Tumca yvelaferi

iseTi Sedegiani ar aRmoCnda,

rogoric mindoda, rom yofiliyo.

_ gasagebia, rom parlamentidan

adamianis uflebaTa kuTxiT Sesa-

Zloa, ufro bevri ram gaakeToT,

magram am qveyanaSi uamravi partiaa,

Tqven ki arCevani axalSeqmnil

„tribunaze” SeaCereT. ra-

tom?

_ kargi kiTxvaa da aucileblad

gipasuxebT. imaSic geTanxmebiT,

rom Zalian bevri partiaa da gansakuTrebiT

mravalferovani opoziciuri

speqtria, magram yvela SemoTavazebas

yuradRebiT gavecani.

_ anu „tribunas” garda Tavis

rigebSi gawevrianebas sxva parti-

ac gTavazobdaT?

_ diax, ramdenime seriozuli

SemoTavazeba mqonda.

_ konkretulad, romeli par-

tiebisgan?

_ amas ar davasaxeleb, radgan ar

minda, vinmes vawyenino, anu arae-

Tikurad gamomivides.

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`vici, brZola vis da ris

am adamians mTeli saqarTvelo

giorgi abaSiZe

jer ise icnobda, rogorc ufle-

badamcvelsa da warmatebul

iurists; mere profesia nawilobriv Seicvala da fermerobas

mihyo xeli; axla ki lia muxaSavria politikaSi wavida, anu

wlevandel arCevnebSi maJoritarobisTvis ar ibrZolebs, ma-

gram „tribunas” partiul siaSi iqneba.

_ ukacravad, araeTikuroba ra

SuaSia?

_ maT uari vuTxari, „tribunas”

ki davTanxmdi. daviT WiWinaZes

didi xania, vicnob, misi mxolod

politikuri ki ara, sxva saqmianobis

Sesaxebac vici da mjera, rom

am adamians Zalian keTilsindisieri

ganzraxva aqvs, raTa qveyana-

Si arsebuli mZime mdgomareoba marTlac

Secvalos. Cemi azriT, „tribunas”

yvelaze swori xedva aqvs,

Tu rogor SeiZleba qveynisa da adamianebis

usasoo ekonomikuri krizisidan

gamoyvana. daviT WiWinaZe

ufro ekonomikur sakiTxebzea

fokusirebuli, me ki _ samarTlebrivze.

amitom mgonia, karg tandems

SevqmniT, raTa parlamentSi Cveni

saqmianoba ufro qmediTi iyos.

_ WiWinaZem „tribunaSi” gawevrianeba

rom SemogTavazaT, maSinve

dasTanxmdiT Tu mosafiqre-

blad dro iTxoveT?

_ ver getyviT, ramdeni saaTi da

dRe vfiqrobdi, magram viTareba

da isic gavaanalize, Tu rogori

saarCevno kampania aqvT garkveul

subieqtebs da gadawyvetilebac

amis mere miviRe. saerTod, siZulvilis

ena da agresia CemTvis miuRebelia.

me konstruqciuli, optimisturi

da pozitiuri kampania

momwons. am TvalsazrisiT „tribunas”

kampania CemSi simpaTias iwvevs.

_ optimizmi da konstruqcia

gasagebia, magram, qalbatono lia,

Tqven liberali xarT, daviT Wi-

WinaZe ki, minimum, liberaluri

ekonomikis winaaRmdeg ilaSqrebs

da mTavar aqcents tradiciul

Rirebulebebze akeTebs. hoda,

amis gamo Tqven Soris azrTa sx-

vadasxvaoba ar aris?

_ esec, weRandelis msgavsad,

Zalian kargi kiTxvaa da madlobas

geubnebiT, rom meZleva saSualeba,

ganvmarto, Tu ratom daemTxva Cveni

mosazrebebi da poziciebi. dRes

Cven mxolod finansur da ekonomikur

ki ara, Zalian Rrma moralur

krizisSic varT. amitom radikaluri

RonisZiebebis gatareba da

iseTi politikuri nebis Seqmna

gvWirdeba, romelic am mdgomareobas

odnav mainc gamoasworebs da

adamianebs amosunTqvis saSualebas

miscems. am viTarebaSi liberalizmisa

da maqsimaluri Tavisuflebis

gamoyeneba ki SesaZloa, upriani

da Sedegis momtani ar iyos.

_ anu Tqvens principebsa da

Sexedulebebze uars ambobT?

_ ara, ubralod, Seqmnili vi-

Tarebidan gamosvla da misi Secvla

mxolod radikaluri nabijebiT

SeiZleba. liberaluri da demokratiuli

mimarTulebebis dro maSin

dgeba, roca qveyanaSi simdidre da

naklebi gaWirvebaa. momavali oTxi

wlis ganmavlobaSi saqarTvelos

parlamentma, aRmasrulebel xelisuflebasTan

erTad, yvelaferi

unda gaakeTos, rom es umZimesi ekonomikuri

da usaSvelo finansuri

gaWirveba Secvalos. amis Semdeg ki

sxvagvari politikis dro dadgeba.

ase rom, am kuTxiT Cemi da daviT

lia muxaSavria:

`siZulvilis ena

da agresia

CemTvis

miuRebelia. me

konstruqciuli,

optimisturi da

pozitiuri

kampania momwons~

WiWinaZis Sexedulebebi erTmane-

Tis absoluturad Tanxvedria.

_ qalbatono lia, mainc, ra

mkveTri nabijebi unda gadaidgas,

romelic am umZimesi politikuri

Tu ekonomikuri krizisidan ga-

mogviyvans?

_ pirvel rigSi, iseTi samTavrobo

gundis Seqmnaa aucilebeli,

romelic krizisuli mdgomareobis

daZlevaze iqneba orientirebuli.

amasTan, aucileblad unda gan-

Tavisufldes qveyana da mosaxleoba

bankebis monopoliebisgan.

_ qveynis bankebis monopoliis-

gan ganTavisuflebaze TiTqmis

yvela politikosi laparakobs,

magram saamisod konkretuli geg-

ma jer aravis warmoudgenia...

_ erovnuli bankis Sesaxeb kanonis

Tanaxmad, erovnuli bankis xelmZRvanelobas

Zalian mniSvnelovani

sakanonmdebo berketi aqvs,

romliTac bankebis monopoliis

dasruleba SesaZlebelia, magram

dRes politikuri neba ar arsebobs

da, Sesabamisad, erovnuli banki im

mTavar funqcias ar asrulebs,

romelic konstituciiT evaleba.

amitomac bankebs sruli Tavisufleba

aqvT, warmoudgenel da

ararealistur saprocento ganakveTebs

aweseben da am gziT fizikuri

Tu iuridiuli pirebis

qonebas xelSi igdeben.

mokled, dRes saqarTvelos ori

okupanti hyavs: erTia ruseTi, romelmac

Cveni teritoriebi daipyro

da meorea sabanko seqtori, romelsac

mosaxleobis qoneba, praqtikulad,

okupirebuli aqvs. Sesabamisad,

aTasobiT ojaxi sakuTari

sacxovreblidan gamosaxlebas

elis da sazogadoebaSi pesimizmis

gancdas swored es aCens, anu adamianebi

am qveyanaSi sakuTar momavals

ver xedaven. yvelafer amas

wertili unda daesvas!

bankirebs seriozuli finansuri

berketebi aqvT, rom politikaSi,

sakanonmdeblo Tu aRmasrulebel

doneze, sakuTari miznebisa da amocanebis

lobireba SeZlon, Tumca

axla miaCniaT, rom es lobireba

sakmarisi aRaraa da amitom cdiloben,

politikaSi movidnen da im

gadawyvetilebebis uSualo mim-

Rebni gaxdnen, romelic maT finansur

Zalauflebasa da monopolias

kidev ufro gaaZlierebs.

dRes swored am viTarebis Secvlaa

mniSvnelovani, radgan amis Semdeg

`daviT WiWinaZes didi xania, vicnob, misi

mxolod politikuri ki ara, sxva saqmianobis

Sesaxebac vici da mjera, rom am adamians Zalian

keTilsindisieri ganzraxva aqvs, raTa qveyanaSi

arsebuli mZime mdgomareoba marTlac Secvalos.

Cemi azriT, `tribunas

tribunas~ yvelaze swori xedva aqvs,

Tu rogor SeiZleba qveynisa da adamianebis

usasoo ekonomikuri krizisidan gamoyvana. daviT

WiWinaZe ufro ekonomikur sakiTxebzea

fokusirebuli, me ki - samarTlebrivze~

aTi aTasobiT adamianis qonebrivi

ufleba aRdgeba.

erTi sityviT, pirvel rigSi

rac unda gavakeToT, isaa, rom

erovnuli bankis sabWo da prezidenti

Seicvalos. meore mniSvnelovani

sakiTxi ki adamianebisTvis

TaRliTurad da ukanonod

waglejili qonebis dabrunebaa,

Tumca am ukanonobaze sagamoZiebo

organoebi ar reagireben. sagamo-

Ziebo meqanizmebis amoqmedebac

aucilebelia, Tumca amisTvisac

politikuri nebaa saWiro.

_ qalbatono lia, rogor unda

dadgindes, rom bankebi xalxs

qonebas TaRliTuri sqemiT arT-

mevdnen da arTmeven?

_ roca kreditis daufaraobis

gamo moqalaqis ipoTekaSi Cadebuli

qoneba aRsrulebaze gaaqvT da

am qonebas, TiTqos, auqcionis Sedegad,

bankebi, maTi TanamSromlebi

an mevaxSeebi iformeben, saxelmwifos

saSemosavlo gadasaxadi unda

gadauxadon, magram saSemosavlo

gadasaxadi aravis gadauxdia. yvelasTvis

gasagebi rom gaxdes, Tu

raze vsaubrob, nino burjanaZis-

Tvis, parlamentis dadgenilebiT,

erT larad wyneTis rezidenciis

gadacemas gavixseneb: qalbatonma

ninom am qonebaze saSemosavlo gadasaxadi

ar gadaixada da amitom

es saxli CamoarTves. marTalia,

nino burjanaZe am Temas asaCivrebda,

magram sasamarTloSi ver moigo,

radgan saSemosavlo gadaxdili

ar hqonda da, Sesabamisad, qonebac

sruliad kanonierad CamoerTva.

mokled, imis Tqma minda, rom Tu

politikuri neba iqneba, es meqanizmi

amuSavdeba da Cven mxolod

obieqturi da politikuri gavlenebisgan

Tavisufal marTlmsajulebis

sistemas ki ara, damoukidebel

da miukerZoebel sagamoZiebo

organosac SevqmniT. amasTan, samarTaldamcveli

uwyebis tal-

Risebur ki ara, Zirfesvian reformas

gavatarebT da yvelaferi es

SesaZlebels gaxdis, rom xalxi kabaluri

mdgomareobidan gan-

Tavisufldes da misi darRveuli

qonebrivi uflebebic aRdges. yvelafer

amas ki qveyanaSi ekonomikuri

mdgomareobis aSkara gajansaReba

mohyveba.

_ imisTvis, rom es gaakeToT,

„tribuna” xelisuflebaSi umravlesobiT

unda movides, rac war-

moudgenelia. Tqveni politikuri

lideri ki koaliciis Seqmnas arc

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