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`mrCeba gancda, rom ivaniSvili
mmarTveli partiis saarCevno
Sorena marsagiSvili
siis pirvelma oceulma „qarTuli
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ocnebis” momxreebsac ki gaucrua
imedebi. samoqalaqo aqtivisti
kaxa miqaia meocnebeebisgan ukeTesi siis wardgenas arc elo-
da, magram arc ise egona, Tu aseTi SemadgenlobiT gamovidoda
biZina ivaniSvili. misi TqmiT, „ocnebas” Zalian susti gun-
di hyavs, magram raki opozicia ufro sustia, is Semodgomaze
xelisuflebis cvlilebebs ar elodeba. dReis monacemebiT ase
fiqrobs da xval, rogorc Tavad ambobs, SeiZleba viTareba
radikalurad Seicvalos. miqaias azriT, biZina ivaniSvili
Zalian bevr Secdomas uSvebs. araformalur mmarTvels samo-
qalaqo aqtivisti urCevs, rom arCevnebisTvis kargad
dafiqrdes da misTvis sabediswero Secdoma ar dauSvas.
ra iqneba ivaniSvilisTvis
sabediswero Secdoma? ratom
gamoiyureba gaxaria sxvebze
ukeTesad? ratom ar Rirs
irakli kobaxiZeze seriozuli
laparaki? vixilavT Tu ara
droebiT CaCoCebul dito
samxaraZes mTavrobaSi? ras
ver iyofen yofili xelisu-
flebis
warmomadgenlebi?
TanamSromlobs Tu ara opozi-
cia qveynis araformalur
mmarTvelTan? _ am Temebis
Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s kaxa miqa-
ia esaubreba:
_ yofili xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebi _ „nacionalebi”
da „evropuli saqarTve-
lo”, romelsac kaxeTSi gazze
gadayvanil „nacebs” eZaxian,
zugdidis olqis gamo serio-
zulad daetaknen erTmaneTs.
gazze gadayvanilebi Zalian
gaanawyena im informaciam, rom
„nacebi” aq maJoritarad giu-
li alasanias wardgenas
apirebdnen.
_ naturaluri „nacebi” da
gazze gadayvanili „nacebi” rom
erTmaneTs daupirispirdnen, es
cudi ambavi araa, magram es
Tema CemTvis naklebad sainteresoa.
ara mgonia, rom naturaluri,
gnebavT gazze momuSave
„nacebi” raime problemas
qmnidnen. isini problemas
arc samegreloSi warmoadgenen
da arc mTlianad qveyanaSi.
problema Tavad xelisufleba-
Sia. ai, es aris mTavari da mniSvnelovani
ambavi. gamudmebiT
imiT apelireba, rom opozicia
sustia, arafers warmoadgens
da arCevnebs uproblemod movigebT,
es Tavad „qarTul ocnebasa”
da mis amomrCevelze
moqmedebs Zalian cudad.
_ cudad ratom moqmedebs?
_ imitom, rom mmarTveli
partia opoziciis kritikiT da
qilikiT aris dakavebuli, gamudmebiT
imas gaiZaxis, rom maT
arCevnebze mougeben. arCevnebs
marTlac moigeben, magram amiT
ra? xom unda vicodeT, ra xdeba
amis Semdeg? xelisuflebam
verc pandemiis dros da verc
manamde ver Seasrula veranairi
dapireba, romelic sazogadoebas
misca. „qarTulma ocnebam”
ver Seasrula sazogadoebis
verc erTi dakveTa da es
aris faqti. amas ricxvebic kargad
mowmobs. seriozulad Tu
vilaparakebT, me opoziciaze
saerTod ar gavamaxvilebdi
yuradRebas. adrec bevrjer
miTqvams da axlac gavimeoreb,
rom saqarTveloSi, samwuxarod,
ar arsebobs iseTi opozicia,
romelic realur winaaRmdegobas
gauwevs biZina ivaniSvilis
„qarTul ocnebas”.
saqarTveloSi dRes opozicia
ar aris im doneze, romelic
realurad daayenebs xelisuflebis
cvlilebis sakiTxs sazogadoebis
winaSe. amis gamo
Zalian vwuxvar.
_ gindaT TqvaT, rom oqtombris
arCevnebze xelisu-
fleba ar Seicvleba?
_ jerjerobiT qarTuli sazogadoeba
da amomrCeveli cvlilebebisTvis
mzad ar aris.
_ ratom ar aris mzad cv-
lilebebisTvis sazogadoeba?
_ imitom, rom is xelisuflebis
alternativas ver xedavs,
rac, Cemi azriT, Zalian
samwuxaroa.
_ marto amis gamo darCeba
xelisuflebaSi „qarTuli ocneba”,
romelmac, rogorc Ta-
vad aRniSneT, xalxs verc
erTi dapireba ver Seusrula?
_ ar vamtkiceb, rom biZina
ivaniSvilis „qarTuli ocneba”
xelisuflebaSi kidev erTi vadiT
darCeba. dReis monacemebiT
piradad me ver vxedav
Zalas, romelic arsebul xelisuflebas
Secvlis. horizontze
cvlilebebi, jerjerobiT,
ar Cans. amas xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebic xedaven
da amiT imSvideben Tavs.
mxolod ase Tu apireben fons
gasvlas. es, pirvel rigSi, maT-
Tvis iqneba cudi. aseTi viTareba
didxans ver gastans. Tanac
bevri rame iqneba damokidebuli
imaze, Tu rogor Seafaseben
evropa da SeerTebuli
Statebi oqtomberSi Catarebul
arCevnebs. SeiZleba, iseTi
rameebi moxdes arCevnebze, rom
radikalurad sxva suraTi mivi-
RoT. dRevandeli gadmosaxedidan
imis Tqma SemiZlia, rom
jer ar Cans Zala, romelic am
xelisuflebas Secvlis.
_ opozicia daiwuneT da
„qarTuli ocnebis” siis pirv-
el oceulze ras gvetyviT?
feisbuqze
gamoqveynebuli
Tqveni postebis mixedviT Tu
vimsjelebT, didad aRfrTov-
anebuli ar xarT.
_ aRfrTovanebuli arc opoziciiT
var da arc mmarTveli
partiiT. imedi mqonda, biZ-
kaxa miqaia:
`dasavleTi
`qarTuli ocnebis~
liders arCevnebSi
TviTnebobas aRar
apatiebs~
ina ivaniSvili saTanadod Seafasebda
arsebul viTarebas da
aqedan gamomdinare imoqmedebda.
mjeroda, rom saarCevno
siasac am realobis gaTvaliswinebiT
Seadgenda. pirvelma
oceulma imedebi Zalian gamicrua.
am siaze socialur qsel-
Si bevri saxumaro statusic
davwere, magram saxumarod namdvilad
ar gvaqvs saqme. pirdapir
geubnebiT, katastrofaa
„qarTuli ocnebis” saarCevno
siis pirveli oceuli.
_ siis pirvel nomer gaxar-
iasac katastrofad miiCnevT?
Tqven misi gulSematkivari
iyaviT. „gavrilovis Ramis” simZimis
miuxedavad, is mmarTv-
el partiaSi yvelaze naTeli
saxea.
_ minda, aucileblad aRniSnoT,
rom arasdros ar vgulSematkivrobdi
premier giorgi
gaxarias.
_ aba, ibrahimoviCs ratom
`rasac kobaxiZeze vfiqrob, amas verc getyviT
da romc giTxraT, gazeTSi ver dawerT.
amitom kobaxiZesa da TalakvaZeze aRar
gavagrZeloT. am personebze saubari Zalian
araseriozulad mimaCnia~
adarebdiT?
_ xumrobiT vadarebdi.
vfiqrobdi, rom moqmed premiers
bevris gakeTeba SeeZlo,
vidre gaakeTa. aq erTi ram
obieqturad vTqvaT, gaxarias
romc sdomoda ramis gakeTeba,
imaze mets mainc ver gaakeTebda,
rac aqamde gaakeTa.
_ ratom ver gaakeTebda?
_ imitom, rom gaxaria ar Rebulobs
gadawyvetilebebs. „qarTul
ocnebaSi” gadawyvetilebebs
mxolod erTi kaci Rebulobs
da es erTi kaci biZina
ivaniSvilia. problema gaxarias
damokidebulebaa ivaniSvilis
gadawyvetilebebis mimarT. gaxaria
ar aris damoukidebeli
figura. mas Zalian kargi menejeruli,
politikosisTvis damaxasiaTebeli
Tvisebebi aqvs,
magram es arasakmarisia imisTvis,
rom premieri Zlier politikosad
Camoyalibdes. gaxaria
dRes damokidebulia biZina ivaniSvilis
gadawyvetilebebze
da sanam es asea, is ver iqneba
mTavrobis iseTi meTauri, romelic
radikalur cvlilebebs
moaxdens qarTul politikaSi.
_ yvelafris miuxedavad,
mainc normaluria, rom gaxar-
ia siis pirvel nomrad Cawera
ivaniSvilma. magram arCil TalakvaZesa
da irakli kobaxiZes
ratom arguna sapatio meore
da mesame nomeri? Ta-
lakvaZe kidev poetobs, kobax-
iZe ki...
_ kobaxiZes, etyoba, poetoba
unda (icinis).... axla momiyvaneT
xumrobis xasiaTze, magram
rasac kobaxiZeze vfiqrob, amas
verc getyviT da romc giTxraT,
gazeTSi ver dawerT. amitom
kobaxiZesa da TalakvaZeze
aRar gavagrZeloT. am personebze
saubari Zalian araseriozulad
mimaCnia.
_ Tqven ki araseriozulad
migaCniaT maTze saubari, magram
siis sameulSi maTma xil-
vam xalxi gaaRiziana. ratom
aRizianebs „qarTuli ocnebis”
lideri qarTvel amomrCev-
els? „gavrilovis Rame” irak-
li kobaxiZis sindisze ufroa,
vidre _ giorgi gaxarias. eg
spikerobidan rom gadamd-
gariyo, rusTavelze sisxli ar
daiRvreboda.
_ geTanxmebiT. „gavrilovis
RameSi” yvelaze didi damnaSave
aris irakli kobaxiZe. quCaSi
xalxis gamosvlis Semdeg mas
parlamentis spikeris posti
rom daetovebina, aqciis monawileebi
daiSlebodnen da Cven
ar miviRebdiT gavrilovis
sisxlian Rames. rac Seexeba
kiTxvas, Tu ratom aRizianebs
qarTvel amomrCevels biZina
ivaniSvili, es CemTvisac cota
gaugebaria. mas Cveni sazogadoeba
mxolod kobaxiZiT da
TalakvaZiT ar gauRizianebia.
marto es ori persona rom iyos
problema, Cvens beds ZaRli ar
dahyefda. aSkaraa, rom „ocnebis”
liders qarTveli amomrCevlis
gaRizianeba uyvars.
_ eqsperiments xom ar
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