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gamodis samSabaTobiT N15 (317) 14.07

07.20

.2020

fasi 2 lari

giorgi

yifSiZe:

`fotografi

suraTebsac

anadgurebda

da raRacebsac

maimunobda!~

gv. 4

giorgi

giuaSvili:

`xalxs

xelisuflebac

yelSi

amouvida da

_ opoziciac~

gv. 18

dimitri

biZinaSvili:

`biZina

ivaniSvili

arCevnebis

wagebas

Seegua da

usafrTxoebis

garantiebs

eZebs~

gv. 26

giorgi SaqaraSvilis

mkvlelobis saqme

- mTavari figurantis Cveneba

gv. 2

...magidaze

asvenia

swori

agebulebis

mamrobiTi

sqesis

gvami,

sigrZiT

169 sm.,

woniT 73

kg...

qurduli gza gadagvarebisken

gv. 32

gv. 8

kote kemularia:

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gza gqoniaTo!~

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gv. 12

giorgi gugava:

`Tu SaqaraSvilis

mkvlelebi ar

daisajnen, sazogadoeba

òcnebas~ walekavs!~

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169 sm., woniT 73 kg...

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Cemi klaseli gogoebi eTer

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avtomanqaniT amoiyvana vano

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taqsiT movidnen CemTan Cemi

danaSaulis garemoebebi: gi-

orgi SaqaraSvilis Tavisuflebis

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Semdgeni piris xelmowera: eka

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li, daviwye Cemi dabadebis dRisTvis

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Cems klaselebsa da ubnelebs:

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giga tatiaSvils, salome Wkaduasa

da eTer xoStarias. aseve dabadebis

dReze davpatiJe Cemi daqalebi:

mariam xatiskaci, lizi qsovreli,

lizi nadiraZe romlebmac Cemi TxovniT

dapatiJes Tavisi megobrebi

da ubnelebi giorgi SaqaraSvili

da guram amirxanaSvili. aqve davamateb,

rom Cemi klaselebi da ubnelebi

ar icnobdnen zemoT xsenebul

Cveulebriv megobrebs da

isini erTmaneTisTvis arian ucxoebi.

da maT pirvelad erTmaneTi

naxes Cems dabadebis dReze.

dasmul kiTxvaze gipasuxebT,

rom

2020 wlis 18 ivniss daaxloebiT

iqneboda 12:30 sT., rodesac me Cems

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merabiSvils, nikoloz cucqiriZes,

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ukana savarZelze vijeqi me da la-

Sa Sermadini, xolo nikoloz cucqiriZe

da giorgi merabiSvili Casxdnen

guladi SaviZis avtomanqana-

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naqaZe da zurab goginaSvili,

romlebic iyvnen fxizlebi da maTi

mosvlidan daaxloebiT ormoci

wuTis gasvlis Semdgom taqsiT

movidnen Cemi daqalebi lizi nadiraZe,

lizi qsovreli da mariam

xatiskaci. maTi mosvlidan daaxloebiT

erTi saaTis gasvlis Semdgom

movidnen giorgi SaqaraSvili

da guram amirxanaSvili da Cven

yvelam, zemoxsenebulma pirebma,

daviwyeT qeifi. vsvamdiT alkoholur

sasmels, vcekvavdiT, ver-

TobodiT, ra drosac SevamCnie,

rom Cems klaselebsa da ubnelebs

giorgi merabiSvils, nika xeCoSvils,

nikoloz cucqiriZes, Tengiz

barbaqaZes, irakli mumlaZes,

laSa Sermadins, guladi SaviZesa

da giga tatiaSvils hqondaT da-

Zabuli urTierToba Cems megobar

saba CxartiSvilTan, giorgi qaTamaZesTan,

vaxo axvledianTan, irakli

naqaZesTan da zurab goginaSvilTan.

isini yvela sityvaze erTmaneTs

ekidebodnen da damrCa STabeWdileba,

rom maT erTmaneT-

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- mTavari figurantis Cveneba

Si surdaT Cxubi, Tumca ratom

daiZaba maT Soris situacia, es

arvici, radgan im momentSi me maT-

Tan ar vyofilvar da sxva stumrebiT

viyavi dakavebuli. aqve davamateb,

rom daaxloebiT iqneboda

23:30 sT., rodesac davinaxe, rom

Cemi zemoT xsenebuli megobrebi,

klaselebi da ubnelebi saxlSi

aRar iyvnen, razedac vifiqre, rom

isini mosawevad iyvnen gareT gasulebi,

ra drosac CemTan movida

Cemi megobari mariam xatiskaci da

miTxra, rom gareT, savaraudod,

Cxubobdnen da mTxova, gareT gavsuliyavi,

rom ganmemuxta situacia.

rodesac gavedi saxlis ezoSi,

davinaxe, rom Cemi megobrebi, klaselebi

da ubnelebi, erTmaneTSi

Cxubobdnen, isini erTmaneTs ayenebdnen

sityvier da fizikur Seuracxyofas,

xolo vin vis urtyamda

konkretulad, amas ar davkvirvebivar,

radgan vcdilobdi maT

gaSvelebas. da swored gaSvelebis

lSi qeifobdnen. mas Semdeg, rac

saxlSi Sevedi, me viyavi anerviulebuli,

vtirodi, rom ase CamSxamda

dabadebis dRe da yvela zemoxsenebuli

piri, vinc davrCiT saxlSi,

mamSvidebda da SemomTavazes, rom

wavsuliyaviT q. TbilisSi lisze,

irakli naqaZis agarakze da iq gagvegrZelebina

qeifi, razedac davTanxmdi,

ris Semdgomac irakli naqaZis

marTvis qveS myofi avomanqaniT,

romlis modeli da saxelmwifo

nomeri ar maxsovs, saWesTan dajda

zurab goginaSvili da gverdiT

daujda irakli naqaZe, xolo me,

saba CxartiSvili, luka beJaniSvili

davsxediT manqanis ukana savarZelze

da wavediT lisze, xolo

lizi nadiraZe, mariam xatiskaci

wamovidnen mamaCemis megobris Svilebis

vaJa da mariam adeiSvilebis

manqaniT, xolo mcxeTaSi darCnen

guram amirxanaSvili, giorgi SaqaraSvli,

iakob bregvaZe, romlebic

elodebodnen taqss da isinic

maTTan erTad wavedi Temqaze, vaJa

da mari adeiSvilebis saxlSi, saidanac

daaxloebiT erT saaTSi

daviSaleT da wavediT saxlebSi.

kiTxva: 2020 wlis 18 ivniss, Seni

megobrebis klaselebisa da ubnelebis

Cxubis dros, rodesac maT

aSvelebdi, xom ar migiRia fizikuri

dazianeba da vinmem xom ar

mogayena fizikuri Seuracxyofa

da saWiroebdiT Tu ara samedicino

eqspertizis Catarebas?

pasuxi: me Cxubis dros ar mimiRia

aranairi fizikuri dazianeba

da CemTvis aravis mouyenebia fizikuri

Seuracxyofa, Sesabamisad, me

ar vsaWiroeb samedicino eqspertizis

Catarebas.

kiTxva: SegiZliaT Tu ara gvi-

TxraT, vis Soris moxda Cxubi da

SegiZliaT Tu ara maTi amocnoba?

pasuxi: Cxubi moxda Cems klaselebs,

ubnelebs giorgi merabiSvils,

nika xeCoSvils, nikoloz

cucqiriZes, Tengiz barbaqaZes,

irakli mumlaZes, laSa Sermadins,

guladi SaviZes, giga tatiaSvilsa

da megobrebs saba CxartiSvils,

giorgi qaTamaZes, vaxo axvledians,

irakli naTaZesa da zurab goginaSvils

Soris. me maT yvelas vicnob

kargad, radgan maTTan maqvs

yoveldRiuri urTierToba.

kiTxva: visgan gaigeT, rom giorgi

SaqaraSvili Cxubis Semdgom

saxlSi ar mivida da daikarga?

konkretulad, ra informacias

flobT amis Sesaxeb?

pasuxi: me aRniSnuli informacia

Sevityve Cemi megobrisgan, lizi nadiraZisgan,

romelmac miTxra, rom

Cxubis Semdeg giorgi SaqaraSvili

saxlSi ar dabrunebula da Tu sad

wavida, aravin araferi icoda.

kiTxva: ra ecva dabadebis

dReze giorgi SaqaraSvils, hqonda

Tu ara mobiluri telefoni?

pasuxi: giorgi SaqaraSvils

ecva lurji feris naWris briji,

moklesaxeloebiani Ria cisferi

„saroCka”, palmebiani naxatebiT,

aseve Tan hqonda sportuli patara

CanTa. aqve davamateb, rom

giorgi SaqaraSvils ar hqonda

mobiluri telefoni, radgan igi

sargeblobda guram amirxanaSvilis

mobiluriT.

kiTxva: giorgi SaqaraSvili, mas

Semdeg, rac gauCinarda, xom ar

gamosula TqvenTan kavSirze?

pasuxi: giorgi SaqaraSvili

CemTan kavSirze ar gamosula, mas

Semdeg, rac igi gauCinarda.

kiTxva: rodesac Sen da Seni

megobari gogonebi lizi nadiriZe,

lizi qsovreli, mariam xatiskaci,

salome Wkadua da eTer xoStaria

Cxubis Semdgom SexvediT saxlSi,

sadac dagxvdnen giorgi SaqaraSvili,

guram amirxanaSvili, iakob

bregvaZe da vano TegaZe, vinmes xom

ar usaubria momxdari Cxubis

Sesaxeb da vinmem xom ar Tqva, rom

dainaxes, konkretulad vin vis

urtyamda?

dros davinaxe, rom Cems ubnels,

nika xeCoSvils, qva Caartya marcxena

mxares Sublis zeda nawilSi

Cemma megobarma saba CxartiSvilma,

ra drosac nika xeCoSvilma miiRo

dazianeba da wamouvida sisxli.

aseve davinaxe ezoSi Cemi ubneli

vaxtang Ciqovani, romelsac

saxeze aReniSneboda mravlobiTi

dazianeba, xolo is vinc cema, me

ar daminaxavs. Tumca danamdvilebiT

getyviT, rom iyo Zlier

nacemi. me da Cemi stumari gogonebi

vcdilobdiT, aRniSnuli biWebis

gaSvelebas da veubnebodiT maT,

rom wasuliyvnen Cemi dabadebis

dRidan da aRar mosuliyvnen. gogoebma

Cveni ZalebiT SevZeliT

biWebis gaSveleba da isini gavyareT

saxlis ezodan, ris Semdgomac

me da Cemi megobari gogoebi

lizi nadiraZe, lizi qsovreli,

mariam xatiskaci, salome Wkadua

da eTer xoStaria SevbrundiT saxlSi,

sadac dagvxvda giorgi SaqaraSvili,

guram amirxanaSvili, iakob

bregvaZe da vano TegaZe, romlebic

Cxubis dros gareT ar gamosulan,

ar Careulan CxubSi da SigniT sax-

apirebdnen CvenTan mosvlas. mas

Semdeg, rac avediT me, irakli naqaZe,

zurab goginaSvili, saba CxartiSvili

da luka beJaniSvili lisze,

Cems megobar saba CxartiSvils

daureka Tavisma megobarma vaxo axvledianma,

romelmac uTxra, rom

is da giorgi qaTamaZe Cxubis Semdgom,

rodesac me gavyare gareT da

vuTxari, rom aRar dabrunebuliyvnen,

isini mainc dabrunebulan

Cem mier naqiraveb saxlSi q. mcxeTaSi,

sadac gzaSi maT SexvdaT

giorgi SaqaraSvili, guram amirxanaSvili,

iakob bregvaZe da apirebdnen

yvelani CenTan mosvlas,

elodebodnen taqss, ra drosac

maT win daudga vercxlisferi „mersedesi”,

saidanac gadmovida ramdenime

pirovneba, romlebic gaekidnen

maT da miayenes fizikuri Seuracxyofa.

aRniSnuli informaciis

gagebis Semdeg me, saba CxartiSvili,

zurab goginaSvili, naqaZe

irakli da luka beJaniSvili wamovediT

maSinve lisidan da gzaSi

Segvxvda lizi nadiraZe, mariam xatiskaci,

vaJa da mariam adeiSvilebi.

me maT gadavujeqi manqanaSi da

pasuxi: aRniSnulze aravis usaubria,

radgan momxdaris Sesaxeb

ar yofila saubari da yvela zemoxsenebuli

piri cdilobda Cems

damSvidebas.

kiTxva: Cxubis dros garda nika

xeCoSvilisa da vaxo Ciqovanisa xom

ar daginaxavT, vinmes aReniSneboda

Tu ara sxeulze dazianeba?

pasuxi: me sxva aravin daminaxavs,

rom hqonodaT sxeulze dazianebebi.

kiTxva: Cxubis dros xom ar

daginaxavT, konkretulad vin vis

urtyamda?

pasuxi: ar daminaxavs, me davinaxe

mxolod is momenti, rom yvela

erTmaneTs urtyamda da aseve

davinaxe, Tu rogor Caartya qva

saba CxartiSvilma nika xeCoSvils.

es aris giorgi SaqaraSvilis

saqmis erT-erTi mTavari figurantis,

iubilaris pirveli Cveneba.

ani gabeCava ityueba _ mkvlelobis

Rames is megobrebTan erTad imyofeboda

lizi nadiraZis saxlSi,

rasac mowmobs fotograf iakob

bregvaZis mier am „tusovkaze” gadaRebuli

fotoebi.

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`fotografi suraTebsac anadgurebda

„giorgi SaqaraSvilis saqme”

giorgi abaSiZe

TandaTan ufro CaxlarTuli

xdeba, anu dRe ar gava, rame axa-

li Canaweri ar gavrceldes an axali detali ar gamoikveTos.

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am etapze dazaralebulad miiCneva, arsebobs gonivruli eWvi,

rom man bevri ram icis, rasac saguldagulod malavs. ra icis

fotografma da saerTod, vin cdilobs, rom giorgi SaqaraS-

vilis mkvlelobas naTeli ar moefinos?

„qronika+~ advokat giorgi

yifSiZes esaubra, romelic Ziudoist

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gvis xidTan „qamris” misvlamde

mivida, Tumca tatiaSvils CxubSi

monawileoba ar miuRia, rasac mx-

olod Cveni respondenti ki ara,

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ojaxis axlobeli da advokatia,

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liT daiwyos.

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aubra:

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giorgi SaqaraSvilis cxedris

eqspertizis daskvnidan?

_ simarTle giTxraT, piradad

CemTvis am daskvnaSi axali araferia,

Tumca sazogadoebisTvis am

mimarTulebas ufro meti mtkicebis

forma mieca.

_ mkvlelobis mimarTulebas?

_ diax. amasTan, eqspertizis

daskvna prokuraturam, sabolood,

kvalifikaciis dasamZimeblad gamoiyena,

Tumca zogadad rom vTqvaT,

axal kvalifikaciaze msjeloba

eqspertizis daskvnis gareSec

SesaZlebeli iyo.

_ iziarebT nika gvaramias Se-

fasebas, rom es daskvna sasamarT-

loSi yvela braldebuls gama-

rTlebis saSualebas miscems?

_ es absoluturi daskvna araa

da sxva daskvnebsac velodebiT,

anu yvela eqspertizis daskvna,

romelic ar daniSnulia, jer ar

mosula. es samedicino daskvnaa,

romelic ambobs: ai, batono, es

asea, is ki _ iseo, magram yvelafer

amas samarTlebrivi damagreba

sWirdeba, anu sasamarTloSi am

ramdenime kinkila furcliT rom

mixvide, bunebrivia, verafers miiReb

da Sedegi ar eqneba, miT

umetes, Tu avtomanqanSi mjdom

romelime adamians rom miaba. mar-

Talia, TiTs veravisken gaviSver,

magram kargad vxvdebiT, saubari

saiTkenac midis.

_ sxvaTa Soris, daskvnis gasa-

jarovebis Semdeg SaqaraSvilis

ojaxis advokatma nikolaZem

pirdapir Tqva, rom giorgis ojaxi

„qamriSi” myofi yvela piris mima-

rT bralis damZimebas moiTxovs,

anu nikolaZes arc Tqveni dacvis

qveS myofi uxsenebia, romelic im

sabediswero Rames „mersedess”

marTavda da arc _ „mersedesis”

sxva mgzavrebi.

_ Cemi dacvis qveS myofis mimarT

bralis damZimebas ki ara, velodebi,

rom gamoZieba saerTod

uars ityvis bralze. SeiZleba, subieqturi

viyo, magram darwmunebuli

var, Cemi dacvis qveS myofis

mimarT veranairi brali ver imuSavebs!

_ tatiaSvili, minimum, imaSi ma-

inc araa damnaSave, rom Cxubis Se-

saxeb, romlis mowmec gaxda, sam-

arTaldamcvelebs ar Seatyobina?

_ roca Cxubi moxda, Rame iyo.

_ es amarTlebs, rom policias

ar Seatyobina?

_ sibnelis gamo tatiaSvils ar

daunaxavs, rom qaTamaZes mZime dazianeba

hqonda. mas dazianebebi

gamTenias, anu maSin Seetyo, roca

saxe gaucivda da saavadmyofoSi

moxvda. mokled, tatiaSvils adgilze

ar unaxvs, rom rame mZime

danaSauli moxda _ vinme daWres,

manqaniT gadauares an mokles. Sesabamisad,

Tu moralze ar vilaparakebT,

samarTlebrivi valdebuleba

ar hqonda, rom policiaSi

daereka. Seutyobinebloba, mxolod

da mxolod, mZime an gansakuTrebiT

mZime danaSaulzea.

sxvaTa Soris, im wuTisTvis gamo-

Zieba mis manqanaSi myofebs 117-e

muxlsac ar edaveboda da mZime an

gansakuTrebulad mZime dana-

Saulze Seutyobinebloba saidan

warmoiSveboda? msubuq an naklebad

mZime danaSaulze Seutyobinebloba

ki saerTod ar isjeba!

_ am sazarel tragediaze

TiTqmis yvelaferi iTqva, anu

gamoZieba, praqtikulad, pirdapir

eTerSi mimdinareobs. ise, zogier-

Ti ambobs, rom advokatebma yve-

laferi ar unda gaasajaroon da

sasamarTlosTvis e. w. moulod-

nelobis efeqtisTvis rame unda

Semoinaxon. amaze ras ityviT?

_ ra Tqma unda, SesaZlebelia,

amas aTasgvari ram miaba, magram

arsebuli realobidan gamomdinare,

advokatebs imis saSualeba

da Sansi ar eZlevaT, rom TavianTi

klientebis dacva srulyofilad

ganaxorcielon da simarTlisTvis

ibrZolon, anu yvelgan winaaRmdegobas

xedaven da aseT dros advokatebs

erTaderTi rCebaT _ sazogadoeba.

Tu sazogadoebam detalebi

ar icis, mxolod litoni

sityvebi da saubari, rom simarTle

unda dadgindes, Sedegs naklebad

moitans.

_ giorgi, mapatieT da, simar-

giorgi yifSiZe:

`marTalia, TiTs

veravisken

gaviSver, magram

kargad vxvdebiT,

saubari

saiTkenac midis~

`tatiaSvils adgilze ar unaxvs, rom rame mZime

danaSauli moxda - vinme daWres, manqaniT

gadauares an mokles. Sesabamisad, Tu moralze

ar vilaparakebT, samarTlebrivi valdebuleba

ar hqonda, rom policiaSi daereka.

Seutyobinebloba, mxolod da mxolod, mZime

an gansakuTrebiT mZime danaSaulzea~

Tle sazogadoebam ki ara, sasa-

marTlom unda daadginos!

_ ki batono, geTanxmebiT, magram

amxela aJiotaJi rom ar atexiliyo,

es saqme aseTi kategoriuli

gaxdeboda? gamoricxeT! am

bavSvis gardacvalebas SesaZloa,

ise Caevlo, rogorc ubedur SemTxvevas.

ise, Cemo kargo, mxolod

advokatebs nu daabralebT. vici,

rom televiziebs saqmis masalebs

Tavad Sss-s warmomadgenlebi ugzavnian

da kerZo saubrebSi ramdenime

arxTan am Temaze Tavisuflad

saubroben!

_ Tqveni naTqvami ise unda gav-

igoT, rom Sss-s calkeul warmo-

madgenlebs saqmis gaxsna undaT?

_ Sss-s saqmis gaxsna nebismier

etapze unda, magram rogor unda,

ai, esaa yvelaze mniSvnelovani

kiTxva _ Tavis Wkuaze gaxsna unda

Tu simarTlis dadgena?

_ giorgi, kiTxva, romelsac

axla dagisvamT, SesaZloa, ufro

politikuria, magram, Tqveni

azriT, SaqaraSvilis tragedias

ZalovnebSi Sida brZolisTvis xom

ar iyeneben?

_ Cemo kargo, gamoricxuli

araferia. zogadad, roca aseTi

gaxmaurebuli ram xdeba, iq gamor-

icxuli arc politikaa! bolos da

bolos, yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,

„mersedesis” mgzavrebs politikuri

muxli aqvT wayenebuli

_ Zaladobrivi jgufebis organizeba.

am muxls mxolod politikuri

manifestaciebisa da saprotesto

organizaciebis winaaRmdeg

iyeneben xolme, anu es iseTi kategoriis

muxli araa, romelic Sei-

Zleba, Cveulebrivi Cxubis SemTxvevaSi

gamoiyeno, es gamoricxulia!

sxvaTa Soris, am muxliT oqruaSvili

da 20 ivnisis sxva figurantebi

arian gasamarTlebulni.

_ es politikuri muxli sabediswero

dabadebis dRis monawi-

leebs specialurad wauyenes?

_ amas erTaderTi axsna aqvs da

xmamaRla vambob: es imdenad idioturi

muxlia, rom am SemTxvevaSi

misi gamoyeneba ar SeiZleboda!

visac sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsi

elementarulad esmis, mixvdeba,

rom absoluturad sxva karia.

_ anu?

_ mogexsenebaT, kari da Tavi danaSaulis

xasiaTebi da mimarTulebebia.

es muxli ki sazogadoebis

usafrTxoebis winaaRmdeg mimarTul

danaSauls iTvaliswinebs,

anu saxelmwifoebriv doneze ayvanili

muxlia, romelsac neonacisturi

Tu teroristuli organizaciebis

SemTxvevaSi iyeneben.

_ Tu asea, maSin 17 braldebuls

Tavdapirvelad am muxliT ratom

wauyenes brali?

_ bralis damZimebis TvalsazrisiT.

am muxlis pirveli nawili 6-

dan 9-wlamde patimrobas iTvaliswinebs,

meore nawili ki _ 4-dan

10-mde. erTi sityviT, es muxli Tavidanve

Segnebulad iyo Semogdebuli,

rom sasamarTlos giraos

gadawyvetileba ar gamoetana,

Torem ramdenime adamiani am saqmesTan

kavSirSi saerTod araa _ arc

uCxubia da arc sxva rame dauSavebia,

magram gareT arc erTi awyobdaT,

radgan es savaWro Temad rCeba!

_ visTan an raze savaWrod?

_ mtkicebulebebis mopovebaSi,

Cemo kargo. sasamarTloze, saproceso

SeTanxmebis sanacvlod, vi-

Rac gamova, raRacas daabrexvebs

da viRacas danaSaulze miabams. es

aprobirebuli meTodia da Cveni

gamoZieba, zogadad, aseTia.

_ e. i., iziarebT mosazrebas,

rom simarTlis miCqmalvas viRac

uxilavi cdilobs?

_ uxilavebis calsaxad ar

mjera!

_ mokled, simarTlis ardadge-

na vis interesSi Sedis da ratom

cdilobs, rom 19 wlis biWis gar-

dacvalebas naTeli ar moefinos?

_ iotisodenadac ver vxedav,

rom am saqmeSi viRac uxilavia

Careuli, romelic saqmis gayalbebas

cdilobs.

_ aba, ra xdeba?

_ gamoZieba idioturad daiwyes,

giorgis mkvlelobas gamoricxavdnen

da saqmes ise iZiebdnen,

rogorc ubedur SemTxvevas.

_ ratom? amas mxolod arapro-

fesionalizmiT xsniT?

_ ra Tqma unda. aravis vaknineb,

magram saqmes Tavidan mcxeTa da

duSeTi iZiebda, arada, maTi profili

araa. yvelafers Tavi rom

davaneboT, bavSvis Zebnis dros

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da raRacebsac maimunobda!~

danaSaulis adgili 400 maSvels

gadaajegines, rac dauSvebelia!

mtkicebulebebi fexebiT mospes da

gaanadgures!

_ giorgi, am naTqvamiT Tqvens

Zvel gancxadebas ewinaaRmdege-

biT, romliTac varaudobdiT,

rom SaqaraSvili mokles, mere

mdinareSi Caagdes da yvelafer

amis Semdeg viRacam danaSaulis

adgili gaasufTavao.

_ eqspertizis daskvnas velodebodi

da versiebis doneze bevri

ramis Tqma SemeZlo, Tumca darwmunebuli

viyavi, rom jer yvelaferi

miwaze xdeboda (mokles

Tu gaTiSes, es gamoZiebas unda

daedgina) da mere wyalSi Caagdes.

es calsaxad dadasturda! SeiZleba,

wyalSi rom gadaagdes, cocxali

iyo, wyali gadaylapa da mokvda!

Cemi mxridan imis Tqma, rom

Caqoles da wyalSi mere gadaagdes,

gamoricxulia, Tumca axlac im

versias vuWer mxars, rom scemes,

gaiTiSa da wyalSi gadaagdes an

gaiTiSa da wyalSi Tavad gadavarda.

_ marTalia, iuristi ar var,

magram vici, rom nebismieri dana-

SaulisTvis motivia saWiro.

_ darwmunebuli var, rom motivi

arsebobs.

_ da es motivi ra SeiZleba

iyos? iziarebT nika gvaramias

versias, romlis Tanaxmadac, yvelaferi

SesaZloa, imis gamo moxda,

rom gogonas, romelic Ciqovans

moswonda, SaqaraSvilis mima-

rT hqonda simpaTia?

_ gvaramia uWkuo adamiani araa.

SesaZloa, haerze laparakobda _

sakuTari fiqrebi gaaxmovana da

raRac wyaroebsac daeyrdno, magram

es fiqrebi realobasTan axlosaa.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, gvaramias

am fiqrebs kategoriulad ar

SevewinaaRmdegebi. sxvaTa Soris,

garda imisa, rom advokati var da

movaleobebi maqvs, am sazogadoebis

wevric var, Svilebi myavs da ar

minda, rom axalgazrdebs quCaSi

xocavdnen. amitom simarTlis

garkvevis cxoveli interesi maqvs!

_ giorgi, gamoZiebas danaSau-

lis motivis dadgenaze, wesiT,

Tavidanve unda emuSava, ara?

_ motivs maSin ikvleven, roca

eWvi arsebobs, rom danaSauli vi-

Racam Caidina. gvarebs ar davasaxeleb,

magram igive mcxeTis Tanamdebobis

pirebTan urTierToba

mqonda da siciliT ambobdnen,

daTvra da sadRac gadavardao. anu

imas, rac moxda, ar ganixilavdnen

da amdeni Secdomac amitom

dauSves! dakiTxvebis dros imas

ekiTxebodnen, es kaci rom daikarga,

ra ecva, romel „kevs” ReWavdao

da raRac sisulelebi aqvT nakiTxi.

mokled, gamoZiebis mimarTuleba

gamZafrebuli ar iyo. momxdars

ise ganixilavdnen, rogorc

ubedur SemTxvevas da kiTxvebic,

ra Tqma unda, idioturi iyo! mere

ki, roca mixvdnen, rom ukacravad

da, Wames, gamosworeba daiwyes, magram

es gamosworeba saqmis gayalbebas

daemsgavsa! xalxi meored,

mesamed, mexuTed dakiTxes da TavianTi

gafuWebuli Cvenebebis vi-

Tom gamosworeba daiwyes. axla meeqvsed

da meSvidedac dakiTxaven,

radgan maqsimalurad cdiloben,

rom yvelaferi gamoasworon, magram

Zvirfasi dro wasulia. arada,

Tavidanve am mimarTulebiT

rom wasuliyvnen, damijereT, am

saqmes pirvelsave dRes, minimum,

sxeulis mZime dazianebis kvalifikacia

eqneboda _ daTvalierebis

oqmi arsebobs da micvalebuli

rom naxes, xom etyoboda, rom bi-

Wis tuCi gaxeTqili iyo, xelzec

naWdevi hqonda da zurgze. es suraTebi

nanaxi maqvs, yvelaferi SevamCnie

da ra, TviTon ver dainaxes?

_ SaqaraSvils, amirxanaSvilsa

da maT Tanmxlebs mcxeTis gzaze

Tavdapirvelad „mersedesma” miakiTxa

da maT iq msxdomebi gaus-

wordnen. Tu yvelaferi winaswar

ar iyo gamiznuli, erTxel nacemi

biWebis meored cema dRis wesrig-

Si ratomRa dadga, anu „qamri”

ratomRa mivida?

_ ai, swored es amtkicebs, rom

„mersedessa” da „qamris” Soris

SeTanxmeba ar arsebobda, anu isini

rom SeTanxmebuli yofiliyvnen,

„mersedesi” TbilisSi xom ar wavidoda,

darCeboda da im „qamris”

daelodeboda.

_ „mersedesi” da „qamri” dasaxmareblad

erTma da imave adamian-

ma gamoiZaxa?

_ ara.

_ aba?

_ gigam, anu visac vicav, megobrebi

TbilisSi Caiyvana, erT-erTs

Tanaklaseli axlda. swored im

Tanaklasels gauCnda idea, rom iq

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`Sss-s saqmis gaxsna nebismier etapze unda, magram rogor unda, ai, esaa

yvelaze mniSvnelovani kiTxva - Tavis Wkuaze gaxsna unda Tu simarTlis

dadgena?~

ori Cveni axlobelia darCenili da

modi, CavakiTxoTo. ar vici, iqve

„abirJavebdnen” Tu ras akeTebdnen,

magram ori adamiani Caisves. maT

Soris iyo saubari, rom Cxubi moxda,

magram yvelafer amas giga ukve

mcxeTaSi igebs.

_ „qamri” vin gamoiZaxa?

_ „qamriSi” zis Ciqovani, romelsac

moxvda. Sesabamisad, mas Tavisi

brigada calke mihyavs, Torem am

manqanaSi galaxuli aravinaa da

saerTod, absoluturad calke

„sastavia”.

_ hoda, eg ver gavige _ es cal-

calke „sastavi” maincdamainc

SaqaraSvils ratom scems?

_ amaT, anu „mersedesis” xalxs,

SaqaraSvilisTvis TiTic ar

daukarebiaT da es dadasturebulia.

SaqaraSvili rogori uvnebelic

iyo, iseTive uvnebeli daxvda

„qamris” da mere gaiqca. „mersedesis”

epizodSi SaqaraSvili ki ara,

fotografi gaiqca.

_ saerTod, es fotografi iakobi

am tragediis erT-erTi yve-

laze idumali figurantia, ara?

_ saerTod, am fotografis

saqcieli piradad me absoluturad

calke mdgom saqmed mimaCnia.

_ anu?

_ darwmunebuli var, rom es

fotografi suraTebsac anadgurebda

da raRacebsac maimunobda.

am kuTxiT ganvixiloT: ramdenime

adamiani garbis, romelsac misdeven.

erTi buCqebSi Sevarda da

àravis vaknineb, magram saqmes Tavidan mcxeTa

da duSeTi iZiebda, arada, maTi profili

araa. yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT, bavSvis

Zebnis dros danaSaulis adgili 400-s maSvels

gadaajegines, rac dauSvebelia! mtkicebulebebi

fexebiT mospes da gaanadgures!~

masTan aravin darCa. meorec buCqebSi

Sevarda, magram amasac aravin

gahyva da SaqaraSvilis devna

gaagrZeles. arada, SaqaraSvili

arc CxubSi Careula da arc Ciqovani

ucemia. aba, bolomde ratom

mihyvnen?

_ e. i., gvaramias zemoxsenebu-

li versia ufro myardeba?

_ ar vfiqrob, rom mokvlis motivi

vinmes gauCnda, magram saubari

dasjis motivzea, romelsac absoluturi

gadameteba moyva.

_ fotografi iakobi giorgobianis

naTesavi rom ar iyos, Tqve-

ni azriT, vinme daafarebda xels?

_ Cemi informaciiT, veravis veranairi

giorgobiani xels veRar

afarebs!

_ pirvel etapze?

_ gamoricxuli araa. saerTod,

am tipTan mimarTebiT patrulis

damokidebuleba Zalian saeWvoa. is

momenti, roca fotografi

patruls iZaxebs da raRac sisuleleebi

xdeba, SeiZleba, am saqmesTan

pirdapir bmaSi ar iyos da, ubralod,

policiis mankier mxareebs

aCendes, magram ra vici, es fotografi

patrulma manqanaSi Caisva

da TbilisSi wamoiyvana. es ma-

Sin, patruls rom uTxra, damasignalebineo,

SeiZleba, gaglaxos!

sxvaTa Soris, patruls specialuri

direqtiva aqvs, rom ar

SeuZlia, manqanaSi ucxo piri Caisvas,

Tu dakarguli bavSvi skleroziani

an iseTi piri araa, romelsac

saavadmyofoSi miyvana sWirdeba,

anu Tu pirs saSiSroeba ar emuqreba!

hoda, Tu fotografs aravin

da araferi emuqreboda, gaugebaria,

TbilisSi ratom wamoiyvanes?

Tu fotografs problema hqonda

da saSiSroeba emuqreboda, maSin

patrulma Sesabamisad ratom ar

imoqmeda?

_ giorgi, Tqveni dacvis qveS

myofma tatiaSvilma rodis gaigo,

rom SaqaraSvili daikarga da ver

poulobdnen?

_ amas vikvlev. gigasTan am

dReebSi SevalT, rom es mimarTuleba

davazustoT.

_ aqamde amis Sesaxeb ar gikiTx-

avT?

_ ra Tqma unda, vkiTxe da pasuxi

maqvs, magram raRacebi movismine da

am Temaze damatebiTi kiTxvebi

maqvs. sxvaTa Soris, igi dakargul

biWs marto ar kiTxulobda da

ufro saintereso rameebi Cndeba.

_ kerZod?

_ amaTTvis aravis ukiTxavs,

SaqaraSvili daikarga Tu ra moxda.

mamasTan erTad dadioda da

kiTxulobda, es biWi sad wavida.

_ ukacravad, mamasTan erTad

SaqaraSvils Tqveni dacvis qveS

myofi eZebda?

_ ki ar eZebda, aramed sufris

monawileebs Soris mokiTxva midioda,

sad gaqra, sad daikarga da,

saerTod, ra moxdao.

_ es mokiTxva saWiro ratom

gaxda, anu icodnen, rom giorgis

raRac SeemTxva?

_ Cxubis dros SaqaraSvili iq

iyo da yvelas eSinoda, sad gaqra,

anu amaT ar icodnen, rom es xalxi

„qamrim” scema.

_ amis Sesaxeb rodis gaiges?

_ diliT gogoebi agebineben, im

„qamris” biWebs ucemiaT SaqaraSvili

da mere daikargao. sxvaTa

Soris, dRes dabarebuli myavda

mowmeebi, romlebic adastureben:

roca gaiges, rom „qamris” biWebs

ucemiaT da SaqaraSvils gakidebiano,

sixarulisgan maRla xtodnen

da erTmaneTs xels urtyamdnen,

Cven arafer SuaSi varTo, anu vi-

Racebi gakidebian da SaqaraSvili

imitomaa dakargulio.

_ anu „mersedesis” jgufs

raRac cudis molodini hqonda.

ase gamodis?

_ ra Tqma unda.

_ da es biWebi oTxi dRe, anu

gvamis aRmoCenamde, ratom dumdnen

da ar ambobdnen, rom „mersedesis”

mgzavrebs garkveuli inci-

denti mouxdaT?

_ giga 19-sa Tu 20-Sia dakiTxuli

da detaluri Cveneba aqvs

micemuli, vin sad iyo.

_ Tu policiam icoda, rom Cx-

ubi moxda, aba, gamoZieba Tavidan

ubeduri SemTxvevis versias ra-

tom ganixilavda?

_ „qamris” xalxi arafers ambobda,

„mersedesis” xalxi ki yvelafers

ambobda. igive Jvania yveboda,

qaTamaZes Tu romeliRacas

movuqnieo.

_ saerTod, policiam giorgis

Zebna ratom daiwyo?

_ 19-Si, gamTeniisas, dilis 7

saaTze, batoni guro SaqaraSvilis

ojaxs ukavSirdeba da kiTxulobs,

giorgi sad ariso. anu tips Tavisi

megobari mTeli Rame ar moukiTxavs,

kacma ar icis, vis ra emesija,

diliT ki ojaxSi rekavs da kiTxulobs,

_ giorgi xom ar mosulao?

policiaSi ki oficialuri zari 11

saaTze Sedis.

_ giorgis mSoblebisgan?

_ Tu ar meSleba, ojaxis axlobeli

rekavs zanti teqstiT: iciT,

ra, biWi saxlSi ar mosulao... da am

biWis Zebnac iwyeba.

_ Tu ganzrax jgufuri mkvlelobisTvis

brali mxolod „qam-

ris” „sastavs” daumZimda, am

SemTxvevaSi „mersedesis” xalxs

gaaTavisufleben?

_ ara.

_ aba?

_ rogorc giTxariT, Cemi

dacvis qveS myofs damZimeba ki ara,

es bralic unda mouxsnan! Jvanias

ki, savaraudod, naklebad mZime

dazianebis braldebas wauyeneben

da kidev ors, anu SesaZlebelia,

rom „mersedesidan” sams sxeulis

naklebad mZime dazianebis braldeba

wauyenon.

_ e. i., danaSaulis mTeli simZ-

ime „qamrize” gadava?

_ „qamri” iqneba, Savi „hundai” da

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àxali opoziciis~ garkveuli

nene injgia

„biZina ivaniSvili _ saqarTve-

los umdidresi adamiani, putinis

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axlo mokavSirea da CarTulia

saqarTvelos destabilizaciaSi ruseTis sasargeblod”, _ am

frazas amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis kongresis warmomadgenlobiTi

palatis respublikuri partiis wevrebisgan Semdgari

samuSao jgufis werilSi vkiTxulobT. mmarTveli gundis

misamarTiT dasavleTidan kritikuli gzavnilebi ar wydeba

da partia „qarTuli ocnebis” Tavmjdomare biZina ivaniSvils

Riad moixsenieben ruseTis mokavSired. 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCvenebi nawilobriv proporciuli saarCevno sistemiT

120/30-ze Catardeba, _ ris SesaZleblobas iZleva sapar-

lamento wyobis pirobebSi msgavsi saarCevno sistema? atarebs

Tu ara mizanmimarTulad ruseTis interesebs saqarTvelos xe-

lisufleba da ra berketi aqvs opozicias imisTvis, rom 2020

wels parlamentSi prorusuli Zalebis monopolia ar moxdes?

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xaTuna lagaziZe:

am da sxva mniSvnelovani Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~ polito-

log xaTuna lagaziZes esaubra:

_ qalbatono xaTuna, sakonstitucio

cvlilebebi miRebu-

lia, ra gvaCvena am procesebma da

vin gamovida gamarjvebuli am

SemTxvevaSi?

_ paTetikis gareSe vityvi, rom

gamarjvebuli am procesebidan

qarTveli xalxi gamovida, miuxedavad

imisa, rom is SeiZleba naklebad

acnobierebdes, rom yvelaze

metad gamarjvebulia am

situaciaSi. es is gamarjvebaa,

romlis mimarTac kiTxvis niSnebi

ar arsebobs. xelisuflebas gamarjvebulTa

rigebSi, am SemTxveva-

Si, ver vigulisxmebT, radgan

arasdros, arc erTi formatiT,

„qarTul ocnebas” arc srulad

proporciuli saarCevno sistema

da arc 120/30-ze ar undoda. „mSvidobis

iZuleba” _ aseTi cnebaa

saerTaSoriso urTierTobebSi.

samSvidobo operaciebis dros iyeneben

am meTods, rodesac samSvidobo

danayofi SehyavT ama Tu

im qveyanaSi mSvidobis uzrunvelsayofad.

daaxloebiT aseTi formula

SeiZleba SevusabamoT

„qarTuli ocnebis” mier sakonstitucio

cvlilebebze daTanxmebas.

anu saarCevno cvlilebebze aiZules

„qarTuli ocneba”. ase rom,

es, ra Tqma unda, „qarTuli ocnebis”

survilis sawinaaRmdegod

gakeTda. Sesabamisad, mmarTveli

gundi am procesebSi ver gaimarjvebda

da arc miiCnevs Tavs gamarjvebulad.

rac Seexeba opozicias,

miuxedavad imisa, rom man

kenWisyraSi monawileoba ar miiRo,

is mainc gamarjvebulia _ Tu Cven

win gavuswrebT movlenebs da

arCevnebs mivuaxlovdebiT: arCevnebSi

imarjvebs is politikuri

Zala, romlis Zlierebisa da gamarjvebis

unaris sjera amomrCevels.

SeiZleba, amomrCevelTan axlos

sxva politikuri Zalebis

Rirebulebebi iyos, magram icis,

rom es politikuri Zala ver gaimarjvebs,

amitom an saerTod ar

midis arCevnebze, an midis da imas

aZlevs xmas, vinc misTvis naklebad

miuRebelia, magram gamarjvebis

unari aqvs. amitomac am gamarjvebebis

jaWvisa da gamarjvebulis

imijis Seqmna opoziciisTvis

Zalian mniSvnelovani iyo. am cvlilebebis

paralelurad man,

aseve politikuri patimrebis TemiT,

Tavis kalaTaSi es gamarjvebebi

Caiwera. ruruas faqtoric

amitom iyo mniSvnelovani, rom

rac ufro metad damamcirebel

SeTanxmebaze wamoiyvanda xelisuflebas

opozicia, miT ufro meti

iqneboda opoziciis gamarjvebis

fasi. es iyo ruruas faqtoris

mTeli saidumlo, rom xelisuflebis

daTanxmeba ruruas gan-

Tavisuflebaze imdenad damamcirebeli

iqneboda xelisuflebisTvis,

rom miT ufro aiwevda

opoziciis gamarjvebis fasi da

miT ufro gaizrdeboda sakuTari

amomrCevlis risxva „qarTuli ocnebis”

mimarT, radgan es mmarTvel

gunds Zalian seriozul sisusteSi

CaeTvleboda. Tu Cven ran-

Jirebas gavakeTebT, pirvel rigSi

gamarjvebulia qarTveli xalxi

da opozicia.

_ Tqven araerTxel aRniSneT,

rom am procesebSi qarTveli

xalxia gamarjvebuli. ratom?

_ Cven sul vsaubrobT imaze,

rom opozicia susti da daqsaqsulia,

amitomac amomrCevels

arCevani SezRuduli aqvs. interviuebis

micemis dros da xandaxan,

roca sakuTar TavTan marto

davrCenilvar, xSirad mikiTxavs

sakuTai TavisTvis: amerikis xelisufleba

mzad aris „qarTuli

ocnebis” Sesacvlelad da es yvelafridan

Cans, magram visiT unda

Caanacvlos „ocneba”, _ iseTiT,

vinc SeZlebs stabilurobis SenarCunebas

qveyanaSi? es aris

kiTxva, romelzedac pasuxi Zalian

mawuxebda. saboloo jamSi, es yvelaferi

sakonstitucio cvlilebebs

rom davukavSiroT, miviRebT

Zalian naTel da mniSvnelovan pasuxs

uaxloesi wlebis saqarTvelosTvis:

Cveni qveyana konstituciiT

saparlamento respublikaa,

xolo saparlamento rsepublikebis

xelisuflebis arssa da Semadgenlobas

Tu gadavxedavT davinaxavT,

rom saparlamento respublikaSi,

rogorc wesi, erTi dominanti

partia ar aris, zogadi arsi

gaxlavT mravali partiisgan Seqmnili

jer saparlamento da Semdeg

samTavrobo koalicia. es aris

konsensusuri demokratia, sadac

gadawyvetilebebi miiReba koaliciaSi

Semavali subieqtebis SeTanxmebiT.

wlebia, vaswavli saxelmwifo

marTvis Teoriebsa da sistemebs

sxvadasxva umaRles saswavlebelSi,

ase rom, es sfero

Zalian axlobelia CemTvis. erTerTi

mTvari, rac gamoarCevs saparlamento

demokratias saprezidentosgan,

aris is, rom avtoritaruli

midrekilebebi saparlamento

respublikebSi Zalian

Znelad ikidebs fexs. es aris im

tipis saxelmwifoebi, sadac mesianisturi

liderebisTvis adgili

naklebad rCeba. mesiebisTvis xelsayreli

da noyieri garemo saparlamento

respublika ar aris.

Cven ki mesiebis molodinSi varT.

zviad gamsaxurdia, romelmac

damoukideblobisken waiyvana eri;

SevardnaZe, romelmac samoqalaqo

dapirispirebisgan da kriminalisgan

daixsna, saerTaSoriso funqcia

SesZina saxelmwifos; saakaSvili,

romelmac marTlac Tanamedrove

saqarTvelo Seqmna da

ise damuxta saxelmwifo ganvi-

Tarebisken, rom dRemde am inerciiT

movdivarT, globalur

moTamaSeebSi gaiyvana patara qveyana

da saqarTvelos moqalaqis

cnebas daado fasi; ivaniSvili,

romelmac ZaladobaSi gadazrdili

reJimisgan daixsna qveyana

_ anu yovelTvis gvyavda erTi

lideri, romelic yvelaferze

`ruseTTan

kapitualacia gvaqvs

gamocxadebuli

sainformacio

sivrcis

damoukideblobis

TvalsazrisiT~

`saakaSvili kvlav rCeba qarTuli politikis

sakvanZo figurad da amas is adasturebs, rom

opoziciis erTi nawili saakaSvilis ginebiT

cdilobs Tavisi reitingis akrefas, meore

nawili ki saakaSvilis imedze cdilobs

parlamentSi Sesvlas~

zemoT idga da sxvebi sakuTari

popularobiTa da gavleniT verc

ki uaxlovdebodnen liders. aseT

Zalian myar vertikals, klasikur

saprezidento respublikis models

viyaviT SeCveulebi. axla ki

konstituciuradac sruliad sxva

realobaSi gadavdivarT. Zalian

saintereso saxelmwifo marTvis

modelisa da saarCevno sistemis

urTierTmomarTebaa, klasikur

demokratias mxolod saparlamento

resbublika ver Seqmnis, Tu mas

fexdafex ar mihyveba saarCevno

sistema. saparlamento respublikasTan

erTad proporciuli

saarCevno sistema qmnis swored am

saparlamento demokratias da ara

erT pirze damokidebul mmarTvelobas.

iseve rogorc maJoritaruli

sistema miiCneva ufro metad

avtoritarizmisken midrekilad,

maJoritaruli sistema da

saprezdento modeli yvelaze xistia

demokratiebSi maSin, roca

saparlamento sistema da proporciuli

modeli yvelaze konsesusuria,

anu TanamSromlobazea

orientirebuli. Cven swored

amisken mivdivarT. amitomac mesiebis

saWiroeba, romlebmac mniSvnelovani

roli iTamaSes istoriaSi,

magram, amavdroulad, aranakleb

daazarales qarTuli saxelmwifo,

maTi aucilebloba ubralod

gaqra dRis wesrigisgan, maT ar

iTxovs arc konstitucia da arc

_ saarCevno sistema. sazogadoebaSi

CarCenili mesiebis molodini

sruliad acdenilia Cvens konstitucias.

Sesabamisad, sazogadoebac

am axal realobaze unda gadaerTos

da mesiebis dromoWmuli

moTxovna unda Canacvldes erTi

da igive kalibris sxvadasxva

politikur liderTa gundebiT.

axla gvyavs met-naklebad Tanabari

wonis bevri politikuri

lideri, romlebsac erTad Seu-

ZliaT Seqmnan saparlamento da

samTavrobo koalicia. ganviTarebis

sruliad axal fazaze gadavdivarT,

es aris is, rac jer ar

mogvisinjavs da vfiqrob, qarTuli

samxreTuli da eqscentrikuli

xasiaTidan gamomdinare, kataklizmebisgan

Tavis asarideblad,

idealuri modelia. vnaxoT, xval

da zeg istoria ramdenad gaamarTlebs

Cems survilsa Tu mosazrebas.

_ es nawili 2020 wlis sapar-

lamento arCevnebis konteqstSi

rom ganvixiloT, vis rogori Sansi

aqvs dRevandeli mocemulobiT?

sakonstitucio cvlilebebis

Semdeg mmarTveli gundma gam-

oiyena fraza „axali opozicia”.

xom ar cdiloben xelovnurad

arsebuli opoziciis axliT

Canacvlebas? ivaniSvilma, Tavis

droze, ganacxada, rom Tu

dasWirdeboda, sakuTar opozi-

cias Seqmnida.

_ axali realoba amomrCevlisgan

gansxvavebul midgomas iTxovs.

es niSnavs, rom ar aris aucilebeli,

erTi politikuri lideri

eris umravlesobas moswondes,

sruliad sakmarisia, erTi politikuri

lideri an partia moswondes

5%-s, 10%-s an 30%-s. Sedegad,

Cven viRebT konfiguracias, roca

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amianebis vali, visac sazogadoebasTan

xma miuwvdeba, aris is, rom

naTlad axsnas erTi ram: aSS zewolas

ki ar axorcielebs saqarTveloze,

amerika akeTebs yvelafers,

rom saqarTvelo ixsnas

avtoritarizmisgan da ruseTis

koloniad sabolood gaformebisgan.

sainformacio sivrcis damoukidebloba

ukve ramdenime welia,

davkargeT. amas geubnebiT adamiani,

romelic 1996 wlidan sxvadasxva

formiT qveynis usafrTxoebis

sistemaSi var Signidan Tu

garedan. SemiZlia dabejiTebiT

giTxraT, rom saqarTveloSi sianformacio

usafrTxoebis zRudeebi

morRveulia ruseTTan mimarTebiT.

Cven ruseTTan kapitulacia

gvaqvs gamocxadebuli sainformacio

sivrcis damoukideblobisa

da daculobis TvalsazrisiT.

es iwvevs imas, rom sazogadoebiT

manipulirebisTvis xelisuflebam

ruseTs yvelanairi barieri

mouxsna. ruseTi pirdapir

xiStiT axorcielebs sakuTar

politikas saqarTveloSi, es aris:

1. sazogadoebis daqsaqsva rac

SeiZleba mcire da erTmaneTTan

antagonisturad ganwyobil jgufebad,

raTa eri ar konsolidirdes

saerTo miznis garSemo da eris

sasicocxlo aRmSeneblobiTi energia

daiqsaqsos da moxmardes

ara progress, aramed erTmaneTis

Cawixlvas, axalgazrda TaobisTvis

perspeqtivis mospobas. ruse-

Ti sazogadoebisTvis sensitiur

Temebze cecxlze navTis dasxmis

principT cdilobs sazogadoebis

daqsaqsvas, magaliTad, amerikaSi

rasobrivi SuRlis gaRvivebaSi

rusul kvals xedaven, iseve rogorc

saqarTveloSic aris aseTi

mtkivneuli Temebi: viTom eklesiis

winaaRmdeg brZola, seqsualuri

umciresobebi da a. S.; 2. mocelon

yvela is adamiani, romelsac

aqvs avtoriteti im mizniT, rom

aravis hqondes Sansi sazogadoebis

Tundac mcire jgufebis konsolidirebisa;

3. daTeson nihilizmi

mTavari politikuri partiebisa

da elitis mimarT, amas moemsaxureba

yalbi informaciebis SeqmniT,

rasac kidev ufro mets vixilavT

winasaarCevnod. maTi mizania

politikuri speqtris sruli

diskreditacia _ es aris is nabij-

nawili marTlac satelitia~

sazogadoebis yvela fenis interesi

da simpaTia iqneba parlamentSi

warmodgenili, rac yvelaze

mniSvnelovania. es partiebi

rogor moergebian erTmaneTs da

ra koaliciuri konfiguraciebi

SeiZleba miviRoT, ukve sxva sakiTxia

da am SemTxvevaSi Semodis

„axali opoziciis” Tema, romelic

Cems yursac Zalian Wris. es ar

aris SemTxveviT romelime lideris

mier wamosrolili fraza, es

aris kliSe, romlis damkvidrebasac

cdilobs „qarTuli

ocneba” amomrCevlis cnobiereba-

Si. es SeiZleba emsaxurebodes

imas, rom „qarTul ocnebas” surdes

SuaSisti amomrCeveli, romelic

mas CamoSorda, magram arc „nacionalebisken”

wava, am xmebis mobilizeba

moaxdinos da es xmebi

sateliti partiebis meSveobiT

Caidos jibeSi an momavali koaliciis

yulabaSi gadaisrolos.

meore mxriv, aseTive warmatebiT

SegviZlia vifiqroT, rom mmarTveli

gundis mier am frazis gamoyeneba

„axali opoziciis” saxelis

gatexasac emsaxurebodes. Tumca

mec gulwrfelad vfiqrob, rom

„axali opoziciis” garkveuli nawili

marTlac satelitia.

_ konkretulad SegiZliaT

TqvaT, vis gulisxmobT satelit

partiebSi?

_ jer amis dro ar damdgara,

jer kargad moquCdnen da Camoyalibdnen,

amis Tqmas Semdeg

araferi daudgeba win. winasaarCevnod

isini aucileblad gamomJRavndebian.

mTavaria, opoziciuri

energia moxmardes ara erTmaneTis

winaaRmdeg brZolas,

aramed xelisuflebis oponirebas.

_ am etapze xmardeba Tu ara

opoziciis energia xelisufleb-

is oponirebas?

_ nawilobriv _ ki. xelisuflebis

satelitebis sazomi parametri

esec iqneba, rom is opozicia,

romelic mTel Tavis Zalisxmevas

sxva opoziciuri Zalebis

Cawixlvas moandomebs, pirdapir

asrulebs xelisuflebis dakve-

Tas. gasagebia, rom, ZiriTadad,

„axali opozicia” Zveli opoziciis

kritikiT cdilobs qulebis

akrefas, magram ar SegveSalos:

erTia „nacionaluri moZraobisgan”

distancireba da meorea,

roca partias sazogadoebisTvis

SesaTavazebeli araferi aqvs da

„nacionaluri moZraobis” CawixlviT

cdilobs qulebis akrefas

da, amavdroulad, amiT xelisuflebis

davalebis Sesrulebas,

rac axlaxan TvalsaCinod gamoCnda

da Semdeg miCumaTda. saakaSvili

kvlav rCeba qarTuli politikis

sakvanZo figurad da amas is

adasturebs, rom opoziciis erTi

nawili saakaSvilis ginebiT cdilobs

Tavisi reitingis akrefas,

meore nawili ki saakaSvilis imedze

cdilobs parlamentSi Sesvlas.

am arCevnebze mTavaria, rac

SeiZleba Seviwrovdes prorusuli

Zalebis warmoamdgenloba saqarTvelos

parlamentSi, maT Soris,

„qarTul ocnebaSi” Cabudebuli

prorusuli nawilebic. sasicocxlod

mniSvnelovani amocanaa, rom

2020 wels parlamentSi ar moxdes

àxali realoba amomrCevlisgan gansxvavebul midgomas iTxovs. es niSnavs,

rom ar aris aucilebeli, erTi politikuri lideri eris umravlesobas

moswondes, sruliad sakmarisia, erTi politikuri lideri an partia

moswondes 5%-s, 10%-s an 30%-s. Sedegad, Cven viRebT konfiguracias, roca

sazogadoebis yvela fenis interesi da simpaTia iqneba parlamentSi

warmodgenili, rac yvelaze mniSvnelovania~

prorusuli Zalebis sruli monopolia.

amis saSiSroeba iseTi

realuria, rogorc arasdros. Tu

am amocanis prioritetulobas

„axali opozicia” ver xedavs da

umTavres saqmed Zveli opoziciis

Cawixlva miaCnia, maSin is pirdapir

asrulebs xelisuflebis

davalebas.

_ im fonze, roca ivaniSvili

dasavleTma putinis mokavSired

moixsenia, ramdenad realuri

ggoniaT is, rom rusuli Zalebi

ver moaxerxeben parlamentSi mo-

nopolizebas da ra berketebi

aqvs opozicias amis sawinaaRmde-

god?

_ pirveli da wyalgauvali berketi

aris amerikis mxridan „qar-

Tuli ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi

yofnis sruli miuRebloba, es

ukve saxelmwifo departamentis

donemde avida. erTaderTi rCeba

`ruseTis mizania arsebuli xelisuflebis

diskreditacia, oRond es saqarTvelos

SemTxvevaSi ar awyobT. rusi mixvda, rom sakuTar

Tavs, rogorc momxibvlels, veravis SesTavazebs,

amitom sxva taqtikaze gadavida: `me ar vvargivar,

magram Seni xelisuflebac ar varga~, - samizne

qveynebis sazogadoebebis demoralizebaa ruseTis

mizani. am TvalsazrisiT saqarTvelos

xelisuflebam kartblanSi Caaxuta ruseTs.

Sesabamisad, sainformacio sivrce maTia,

sazogadoebis manipulirebis meqanizmebi maTia,

rCeba ruseTis gavlenis sferos statusis

oficialuri gaformeba~

trampis „tviti” „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebidan gasastumreblad

(socialur qsel „tviterze”

posti). amerikis SeerTebuli

Statebidan 2016 wlis arCevnebis

win ramdenime maRalCinosani iyo

Camosuli, saelCom maTTan Sexvedra

mTxova, maT ainteresebdaT

Sida xedvebi da analizi, ra doziT

SeiZleboda prorusuli partiebi

moxvedriliyvnen parlamentSi,

mediasivrceSi ramdenad Rrmad

iyo Semosuli prorusuli

ganwyobebi da fuli. vrclad visaubreT

da sabolood maTgan

movismine, rom isini dasavluri

sivrcisTvis, im etapze, saqarTvelos

dakargvis saSiSroebas ver

xedavdnen, roca dainaxavdnen _

Caereodnen. dRes isini amas Zalian

naTlad xedaven da afiqsireben,

amitomac mzad arian radikaluri

nabijebisTvis. Cemi, Tqveni, im ad-

ebi, romelsac ruseTi iyenebs yvela

samizne qveyanasTan mimarTebiT

da 4. ruseTis mizania arsebuli

xelisuflebis diskreditacia,

oRond es saqarTvelos SemTxveva-

Si ar awyobT. rusi mixvda, rom

sakuTar Tavs, rogorc momxibvlels,

veravis SesTavazebs, amitom

sxva taqtikaze gadavida: „me ar

vvargivar, magram Seni xelisuflebac

ar varga”, _ samizne qveynebis

sazogadoebebis demoralizebaa

ruseTis mizani. am TvalsazrisiT

saqarTvelos xelisuflebam

kartblanSi Caaxuta ruseTs.

Sesabamisad, sainformacio sivrce

maTia, sazogadoebis manipulirebis

meqanizmebi maTia, rCeba ruse-

Tis gavlenis sferos statusis

oficialuri gaformeba. amitomac

aris Zalian saSiSi da principuli

2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebi.

2014 wels „The Wall Street Journal”-Si

Zalian saintereso statia

gamoqveynda saqarTveloSi iranul

kvalsa da biznesebze: 2012 wlisTvis

saqarTveloSi iyo iranelis

an iranuli fuliT Seqmnili 150

firma, sul raRac or weliwadSi

aseTi firmebis raodenoba 1500-

mde gaizarda. am 1500-dan biznesis

sakeTeblad mxolod 10% gaxldaT,

danarCeni ki iranis armiis

mier fulis gasaTeTreblad Seqmnili

struqturebi iyo. es yvelaferi

amerikas uCvenebs, rom is

saqarTvelos saxiT kargavs saboloo

sayrdens regionSi, amitomac

is am sayrdenis daTmobas ar

apirebs. rogor unda moaxerxos

amerikam es im pirobebSi, rodesac

ar Cans opoziciis gamorCeuli

lideri, romelzedac mTeli vertikali

aigeboda da amerikasTan

pasuxismgebeli iqneboda imaze,

rom aq procesebi mSvidobianad

ganviTardeba? _ es aris gamowveva,

romelsac amerikelebi xedaven,

magram Tu Cven vTanxmdebiT

imaze, rom gvaqvs axali konstitucia

da saarCevno kodeqsi, romelic

xels uwyobs mravalpartiuli

saparlamento samTavrobo koaliciis

formirebas, rom am tipis

qveynebSi maCo-qarizmatuli

liderebisTvis adgili naklebad

aris da ufro racionaluri, Tanabari

kalibris mqone liderebis

SeTamaSebis Sedegad imarTeba ase-

Ti tipis qveynebi, maSin sagangaSo

araferi gvqonia. visac romeli

partia moswons, imas misces xma.

mTavaria, amomrCevelma ar CaTvalos,

rom arCevnebze misvlas azri

ar aqvs. amomrCevels unda gavagebinoT,

rom swored es konfiguraciaa

is, risTvisac vibrZodiT amdeni

weli yvela erTad; is, rac

dagvazRvevs avtoritarizmisgan,

korufciisgan, rac umniSvnelovanesi

ram aris. bevri politikuri

partia xelisuflebaSi Tavad

gaxdeba erTmaneTis kontrolis

meqanizmi. SevardnaZis xelisuflebasac

ki gauswro korufciis

masStabebiT „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebam. tenderebis erT

magaliTs mogiyvanT: warmoudgenelia,

tenderSi „upatrono” adamianma

moigos.

gagrZeleba 32-e gv.

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`dRevandeli situacia 2003 wlis

kote kemulariasTan, romelmac

giorgi abaSiZe

arcTu didi xnis winaT „gamarjvebuli

saqarTvelo” datova, „qronika+~-ma

saubari, rasakvirvelia, giorgi SaqaraSvilis mkv-

lelobiT daiwyo da Semdeg respondents irakli oqruaSvilis

partiidan wamosvlis mizezebzec CaekiTxa. ise, unda aRiniS-

nos, rom batoni kemularia, saqarTvelos yvela moqalaqis

msgavsad, 19 wlis fexburTelis tragediiT uzomod aRSfoTe-

bulia da mkveTr gancxadebebsac akeTebs. metic: pirad wyaroebze

dayrdnobiT Cveni respondenti ramdenime saintereso in-

formaciasac asajaroebs da acxadebs, rom qveyanaSi dRes

arsebuli politikuri viTareba Zalian hgavs 2003 wlis noem-

bris, anu im situacias, roca maSindel prezidents garemocva

arwmunebda, rom yvelaferi kargad iyo, Tumca, sabolood, Se-

vardnaZe iZulebuli gaxda, Sin wasuliyo.

„qronika+~ gTavazobT inter-

vius kote kemulariasTan:

_ batono kote, Tqveni azriT,

Sesabamisi uwyebebi da, saerTod,

xelisufleba

„SaqaraSvilis

saqmes” ratom ar xsnis?

_ xelisufleba yovelTvis ra-

Racaze igeba. ai, magaliTad, an avtoritetis

Zalaze igeba, roca

ganmsazRvreli principebi ekonomikaa,

anu xalxis keTildReoba.

aseve arsebobs qurdebisa da kriminaluri

avtoritetebis meSveobiT

marTva, romelsac Cveni mosaxleoba

SimSilze metad ar egueba. es

ivaniSvilma moskovSi iswavla, anu

aseT adamianebTan urTierToba

yovelTvis hqonda, rac damaluli

aravisTvisaa. saerTod, rusuli

oligarqia amaze dgas _ kriminaluri

avtoritetebi erTmaneTs

gavlenis sferoebisTvis xocaven.

amisTvis maT fuli sWirdebaT da

oligarqebs ekvrebian. aqedan gamomdinare,

ruseTSi yvela oligarqs

Tavisi kriminaluri wre hyavs.

ivaniSvilma yvelaferi es aq gamoiyena

da saTaveSi vxedavT kalaZes,

aseve parlamentSia kobiaSvili.

garda amisa, vxedavT moWidaveebsa

da sxva sportsmenebsac. maT qveviT

sxvebi dganan da a. S.

_ ukacravad, yvelafer amas

„SaqaraSvilis saqmesTan” ra kav-

Siri aqvs?

_ roca es sqema odnav mainc

gaibzareba, mmarTveloba ingreva!

sawyali SaqaraSvili _ es angeloziviT

bavSvi da, marTlac, varskvlavTbiWuna,

msxverpli gaxda. amas

samarTalSi eqscesi hqvia, anu arsebobs

versia, rom yvelaferi gogos

gamo daiwyo. es, sxvaTa Soris,

am asakSi Cveulebrivi ambavia... mokled,

es klani Tu jgufi viRacam

imisTvis gamoiyena, rom am patara

biWisTvis, romelic, marTlac,

arafer SuaSi iyo, angariSi gaesworebina.

jandabamde gzac hgonia

kalaZesa da sxvebis erTmaneTTan

garCevebs _ iq milionebis gayofazea

saubari da es Cven ar Segvexeba,

magram Tu davakvirdebiT, es

Zalebi nebismieri Cvenganis Svilebsa

da SviliSvilebs emuqrebian,

anu iqidan gamomdinare, rom dausjelebi

arian, xval movlen da mogvklaven!

xom naxeT, rom igive naZaladevSi

magaT gareSe araferi xdeboda

_ manqanebis „vazvrati”, Cxubi

da policias maTi SiSiT Caic

ver daulevia. asea yvela raionSi

da yvelafer amas rodemde unda

vuyuroT?!

_ e. i., zonderjgufebs xelisufleba

mxolod politikuri opo-

nentebis winaaRmdeg ki ar iyenebs,

am kunTmagari „sastavebis” msxver-

pli SesaZloa, is adamianic gaxdes,

romelic politikaSi saerTod ar

ereva, ara?

_ formula, daaxloebiT, ase-

Tia: es zonderjgufebi eubnebian,

_ Zmao, Sen arCevnebSi xom dagexmare.

hoda, manqanebis „vazvrati”

iqneba Tu sxva rame, fuli unda

gavakeTo, magram Sen miSveb da

arafers meubnebio. albaT, gaxsovT:

jabas dros iyo _ sami dRiT

raionebSi manqanebis mosaparavad

uSvebda xolme. sxvaTa Soris, roca

Cingiz yaeni romelime qalaqs

aiRebda, jars sami dRe aZarcvinebda

xolme. erTi sityviT, Cveulebrivi

ambavia _ roca kriminalur

zonderjgufs politikuri

miznebisTvis iyeneb, mere „saZovarze”

unda miuSva. am SemTxveva-

Sic ase moxda, anu SaqaraSvili

raRac quCuri garCevis msxverpli

gaxda, romelSic damsjeli jgufi

monawileobda. am jgufma icoda,

rom aravin dasjida! diax, isini

dausjelebi arian! jer mxolod

ori ambis Sesaxeb gavigeT, rom

SaqaraSvilis garda, adre naZaladevSi

viRacebs Tavi gautexes

da Tirkmeli dauglijes, magram

kidev bevr rames gavigebT. bolos

da bolos, ager, deputatis Svili

daiWires, rac Jurnalistebis

gamoZiebas mohyva! saerTod, yoCaR,

Tqven, Jurnalistebs _ am sazogadoebis

Rirseuli warmomadgenlebi

namdvilad xarT! Jurnalisturma

saqmianobam ganapiroba, rom

SaqaraSvilis garda meore saqmec

gaixsna, mesamec gaixsneba da Tu

yvelani ase erTad davdgebiT, ma-

Sin am Wirs moviSorebT, Torem

sxvanairad mxolod SigniT ki ara,

saerTaSoriso asparezzec Zalian

didi safrTxe gvemuqreba!

_ zogs es paraleli ar moswons,

magram sazogadoebis umete-

soba Tanxmdeba, rom, Tavis droze,

„girgvlianis saqmiT” „nacionalebis”

dasasrulis dasawyisi dai-

wyo. „ocnebas” „SaqaraSvilis

saqme” CamoSlis?

_ am utvinoebis xelSi ukve mexuTe

„girgvliani” gvyavs! sxvaTa

Soris, Zalian sando wyaro meubneba.

_ ras geubnebaT?

_ biZinas ukve uTqvams, _ jandabamde

gza gqoniaTo! is berazec

gabrazebuli yofila.

_ ratom?

_ is Tavisi gamoucdelobiT

gavlenis qveS iyo. „naxalovkelebi”,

Turme, gaiZaxian, magari „loxi”

gvyavs daWerilio. Turme, beras

amaTTvis manqanebi aqvs nayidi da

TveSi 25 aTassac uricxavda. es

gairkveva _ yvelas „qarTus” sakredito

baraTi udevs jibeSio, magram

Tu es marTlac asea da ivaniSvili

ambobs, jandabamde gza hqoniaTo,

e. i. Zalian gabrazebulia.

kote kemularia:

`sando wyaro

meubneba, biZinas

uTqvams, jandabamde

gza gqoniaTo!~

male vnaxavT, „ocneba” ra saxes

miiRebs.

_ mainc, ra saxes miiRebs?

_ Tu politikuri mmarTveloba

moiSala, maSin SeiZleba, mTlianad

qurdebs Caabaron. amas kobaxiZe

namdvilad izams, radgan is kalaZis

Wkuaze dadis. kalaZe ki maSinac qurdebis

Wkuaze dadioda, roca fexburTs

TamaSobda da axlac asea.

_ e. i., Zalian cud realobaSi

varT?

_ diax, Zalian. simarTle giTxraT,

aseTi mkveTri TiTqmis arasodes

vyofilvar, magram am saqmem

bevri rame gamoamzeura, anu kidev

ar megona, rom ase zevidan qveviT

iyo dalagebuli da policiac SeSinebuli

iyo. sxvaTa Soris, „mxedrionis”

dros policia Zalian SeSinebuli

gaxldaT, magram maSin struqturaSi

vmuSaobdi da aseT ubadruk

dReSi im drosac ar yofila.

_ Tu oqtomberSi xelisufleba

ar Seicvala, krizisi gaR-

rmavdeba?

_ visac es qveyana aseTi raRacebisTvis

Zalian ar gvemeteba, yvelaferi

unda gavakeToT, rom normaluri

arCevnebi Catardes! arCevnebSi

eseni udavod damarcxdebian

da amas yvela xedavs.

_ aseTi darwmunebuli ratom

xarT?

_ aq saubari politikaze aRaraa.

zogi ambobs, fuls miscemeno, magram

fuls vin jandabas miscemen?

_ mokluli axalgazrdebis mSoblebsa

da naTesavebs? am qveyanaSi

iseTi aravin darCa, vinc daCagruli

ar iyos! xom naxeT, policieli

dazaralebuli biWis dedas urekavs,

modi, dawere, rom Sens Svils

ki ar scemes, aramed daeca da sxeulis

dazianeba ise miiRoo.

_ „tv pirvelis” Jurnalistur

gamoZiebaze saubrobT, saidanac

naTeli gaxda, rom ramdenime wlis

win SaqaraSvilis saqmis figuran-

tebma sxva axalgazrdasac scemes,

romelic sikvdils SemTxveviT

gadaurCa?

_ diax. iciT, yvelafer amas ra

hqvia?

_ ra?

_ morCa, damTavra, CamovediT!

_ ukacravad, „sad CamovediT”?

_ anu amiT yvelaferi naTqvami

da damTavrebuli!

_ SeiZleba, asea, magram, batono

kote, ai, swored maSin, roca qvey-

anaSi aseTi qaosia, „gamarjvebul

saqarTvelos” tovebT. sxvaTa

Soris, aRniSnuli partiidan rom

wamoxvediT, irakli oqruaSvili

cixidan axali gamosuli iyo.

hoda, ra moxda?

`naxalovkelebi~, Turme, gaiZaxian, magari `loxi~

gvyavs daWerilio. Turme, beras amaTTvis

manqanebi aqvs nayidi da TveSi 25 aTassac

uricxavda. es gairkveva - yvelas `qarTus~

sakredito baraTi udevs jibeSio, magram Tu es

marTlac asea da ivaniSvili ambobs, jandabamde

gza hqoniaTo, e. i. Zalian gabrazebulia. male

vnaxavT, òcneba~ ra saxes miiRebs~

_ Cvens qveyanaSi iseTi ambebi

xdeba, rom es Tema, mgoni, gadamwyveti

araa, magram vinaidan interesi

arsebobs, ki batono, visaubroT.

„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelo”,

didi xnis konsultaciebis Semdeg,

bevrma adamianma SevqmeniT da ma-

Sin davTqviT, rom yvelani Tanabarni

viqnebodiT.

_ anu?

_ prezentaciaze TiTqmis 50-mde

lideri gamovCndiT.

_ sxvaTa Soris, Tavdapirvelad

„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelo” par-

tia ki ara, moZraoba iyo.

_ diax da partia arc unda yofiliyo,

anu Tavidanve gamovacxadeT,

rom es liderTa platforma

iqneboda, romelic gansxvavebuli

Sexedulebebis admianebs gaaer-

Tianebda. sxvaTa Soris, yvela am

adamians sxvadasxva gza hqonda gavlili.

amasTan, zogierTi maTgani

erT dros erTmaneTTan dapirispirebulic

iyo, magram es gaxldaT

modeli, Tu rogor SeiZleba,

rom dapirispirebulma adamianebma,

romlebic samSoblos emsaxurebian,

erTiani platforma Seqmnan.

_ am platformis Seqmnis miza-

ni ra iyo?

_ mizani is iyo, rom masSi rac

SeiZleba meti adamiani gagveer-

Tianebina. yvelaferi es ki ra saxes

miiRebda, momavlis saqme iyo,

magram xazs vusvam, rom es partia

ar unda yofiliyo. Tavad irakli

oqruaSvilic winaaRmdegi gaxldaT,

rom gaerTianebas xelmZRvaneli

hyoloda.

_ am platformis Seqmnis idea

visgan wamovida?

_ oqruaSvili CemTan araerTxel

movida da yvelaferi ase daviwyeT.

mokled, gadawyda, rom am

platformas Tavmjdomare ar eyoleboda,

Tumca spikeri me viqnebodi.

erTi sityviT, gvindoda, am

gaerTianebiT gveCvenebina, rom roca

saqme qveyanas exeba, erTad dgoma

SegviZlia! samwuxarod, xelisuflebam

irakli oqruaSvili yovelgvari

safuZvlis gareSe daiWira.

_ ise, batono kote, roca am

platformas qmnidiT, minimum,

uaxloesi warsulisTvis Tvali

unda gadagevloT, anu imis Tqma

minda, rom oqruaSvilis opozici-

ur flangze gamoCena yovelTvis

patimrobiT mTavrdeboda da ra-

tom ar uSvebdiT, rom axlac ase

moxdeboda?

_ verafers gamovricxavT, magram

adamians, praqtikulad,

araferi amZimebda da amitom, ar

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noembris viTarebas Zalian hgavs...~

velodiT, rom xelisufleba briyvulad

quCaSi daetakeboda da daapatimrebda.

aman zemoxsenebuli

idea, ra Tqma unda, seriozulad

daaziana da sabolood, yvelaferi,

samwuxarod, erT partiamde davida,

anu swored iman, rom irakli

cixeSi iyo, warmoSva azri, is

Tavmjdomare gamxdariyo, radgan

es misi, rogorc lideris, politikuri

niSniT dapatimrebas gaamyarebda.

_ am ideas daeTanxmeT?

_ diax, Tumca gubaz sanikiZe da

valeri gelbaxiani ar daeTanxmnen

da moZraobaSi TavianTi moRvaweoba

SeaCeres, anu yrilobaze ar movidnen.

sxvaTa Soris, yvelas gvjeroda,

rom irakli cixidan aucileblad

gamovidoda. megobrebma da

kolegebma vTqviT, roca irakli

cixidan gamova, isev davsxdeT da

yvelaferi gavakeToT, rom didi

platforma aRvadginoTo. samwuxarod,

iraklis cixidan gamosvlis

Semdeg es ver moxerxda.

_ ratom ver moxerxda? sxvaTa

Soris, guram CalagaSvilma,

romelic axlac „gamarjvebul

saqarTveloSia”, Tqveni misamar-

TiT socialur qselSi dawera,

cixidan gamosvlis Semdeg iraklis

telefonzec ar dalaparake-

biao. es simarTlea, batono kote?

_ ukacravad, guram CalagaSvili

vin aris?

_ davijero, CalagaSvils ar

icnobT?

_ vicnob, magram arc am

moZraobaSi iyo da arc damfuZnebeli

yofila.

_ SeiZleba, magram is, rogorc

vici, oqruaSvilis megobaria.

_ megobroba gasagebia, magram

msaxurTuxucesia Tu dacvis rols

asrulebs? irakli oqruaSvils

Cemgan CalagaSvilis apekunoba ar

sWirdeba! Tu ramis Tqma unda,

irakli TviTon ityvis da rogorme

Cven davilaparakebT. briuselidan

dawyebuli, araferi damitovebia

da yvelaferi gavakeTe, rom irakli

cixidan gamosuliyo da ar mgonia,

iraklis rame aseTi Sexeduleba

hqondes.

_ batono kote, konkretulad

miTxariT, cixidan gamosul oqru-

aSvilTan komunikacia gqondaT?

_ me da iraklim visaubreT da

iyo piroba, rom SevxvdebodiT da

amas ganvixilavdiT, magram, samwuxarod,

ver SevxvdiT.

_ ra unda gangexilaT an erT-

maneTs ratom ver SexvdiT?

_ biWebi erTmaneTs unda SevxvedrodiT

da gvezruna, rom is

realoba aRgvedgina, romliTac

daviwyeT. saerTod, mizans rom

daisaxav, im mizniT unda iaro!

_ mizani gasagebia, magram erTi

wlis winaT, roca moZraoba „gamarjvebuli

saqarTvelo” dafuZn-

da, sxva realoba iyo, axla ki sxva

mocemulobaa da am situaciaSi

SarSandeli status-kvos aRdgenas

azri eqneboda?

_ ra Tqma unda. roca sworia,

azrs wona da safuZveli yovel-

Tvis aqvs. saerTod, is mizani ar

maqvs, rom viwro partiuli interesebi

mqondes.

_ anu?

_ imaze ar vfiqrob, rom ginda

Tu ara, parlamentSi unda movxvdemeTqi.

swored aman ganapiroba „gamarjvebuli

saqarTvelodan” Cemi

Zalian koreqtulad wamosvla.

`kriminaluri avtoritetebi erTmaneTs gavlenis sferoebisTvis xocaven.

amisTvis maT fuli sWirdebaT da oligarqebs ekvrebian. aqedan gamomdinare,

ruseTSi yvela oligarqs Tavisi kriminaluri wre hyavs. ivaniSvilma

yvelaferi es aq gamoiyena da saTaveSi vxedavT kalaZes, aseve parlamentSia

kobiaSvili. garda amisa, vxedavT moWidaveebsa da sxva sportsmenebsac. maT

qveviT sxvebi dganan da a. S~

_ es gadawyvetileba sponta-

nurad miiReT?

_ velodi, rom am Temaze visaubrebdiT.

_ da es saubari ratom ar

Sedga?

_ ar vici. es baton iraklis

unda hkiTxoT.

_ oqruaSvilma icoda, rom

partiis datovebas apirebdiT?

_ ar vici. xom geubnebiT, rom

am Temaze ar gvisaubria.

_ e. i., Tqveni gadawyvetilebis

Sesaxeb mediiT Seityo?

_ albaT. sxvaTa Soris, gancxadeba

gavagzavne, rom movdiodi.

_ iqidan gamomdinare, rom par-

tia datoveT, avtomaturad opoz-

iciis im gaerTianebasac gamoeT-

iSeT, romelic leiboristebis

ofisSi ikribeba xolme?

_ diax. im magidasTan „gamarjvebul

saqarTvelos” warmovadgendi.

axla ki damoukidebeli politikosi

var, upartio, Tumca politika-

Si yofnas vagrZeleb da Tu opoziciaSi

imis elementi gaCndeba, rom

CemTan isaubron, siamovnebiT SevuerTdebi.

_ Cvens qveyanaSi opozicia mra-

valferovania. TqvenTan saubris

survili opoziciis romelma fr-

Tam SeiZleba gamoTqvas?

_ prodasavlurma, anu im frTam,

sadac is politikosebi iqnebian,

romelTac ar surT, rom saqarTvelo

ruseTisken wavides da 90-ian

wlebs daubrundes. saqarTvelos

dRis wesrigs gavrilovebi ar unda

ganusazRvravdnen! 20 ivnisis

monawile var _ maSin mTeli Rame

iq viyavi da Cemi mamoZraveblebi axalgazrdebi

arian, romelTa TxovniTac

politikaSi vrCebi!

_ yvelaze gamokveTili prodasavluri

platforma „naciona-

lur moZraobasa” da „evropul

saqarTvelos” aqvs. romelimesTan

komunikacia gqondaT?

_ ara!

`verafers gamovricxavT, magram adamians,

praqtikulad, araferi amZimebda da amitom,

ar velodiT, rom xelisufleba briyvulad

quCaSi daetakeboda da daapatimrebda. aman

zemoxsenebuli idea, ra Tqma unda,

seriozulad daaziana da sabolood,

yvelaferi, samwuxarod, erT partiamde

davida, anu swored iman, rom irakli cixeSi

iyo, warmoSva azri, is Tavmjdomare

gamxdariyo, radgan es misi, rogorc lideris,

politikuri niSniT dapatimrebas gaamyarebda~

_ arc romelime sxva opoziciuri

partiis liders Sexvedrix-

arT?

_ Sexvedra sam ZalasTan mqonda,

magram es ar niSnavs, rom Cven

rame gaerTianebaze visaubreT.

_ miTxariT, konkretulad, vis

SexvdiT?

_ ai, magaliTad, daviT WiWinaZes,

romelic Cemi didi xnis megobaria,

Tumca politikaze saubari

ar yofila. ufro cxovrebas-

Tan dakavSirebul Temebze visaubreT.

_ SeiZleba, es megobruli Sex-

vedrebi iyo, magram roca arCevnebamde

Zalian cota droa darCenili,

politikosebis aseTi Sexvedrebi

mediisTvis, cxadia, sain-

teresoa! ise, batono kote, opoziciam

irakli oqruaSvilis pa-

timroba saerTaSoriso asparezze

dividendebis misaRebad xom ar

gamoiyena?

_ ver vityvi, rom asea. elCebs,

maT Soris, evroparlamentarebsac,

vxvdebodi da vici, rom oqruaSvils

mxardaWera hqonda. sxvaTa

Soris, briuselSic viyavi da swored

yvelaferma aman Camoayaliba

saerTaSoriso xedva, rom oqruaSvili

politpatimari iyo da, saboloo

jamSi, ganTavisuflda

kidec. mokled, imis Tqma, rom is

vinmem gamoiyena, mgoni, adekvaturi

araa, an raSi unda gamoeyenebina? _

es erToba gverdiT daudga, cixidan

rom gamosuliyo da dRes irakli

oqruaSvili politikur saqmianobaSi

aqtiuradaa CarTuli.

_ ar mgonia, politikaSi mTlad

aqtiurad iyos CarTuli, rameTu

ganacxada, rom rogorc maJori-

tarobis kanidati, kenWs ar iyris.

_ Tavidan amaze saubari iyo. im

molaparakebis Sedegebze iraklisa

da sxva liderebs Soris araferi

vici, magram idga sakiTxi, rom irakli,

rogorc opoziciis lideri,

maJoritarobis kandidati yofiliyo.

_ gamoricxavT, rom oqruaSvils

maJoritarobis kandidato-

baze merabiSvilis faqtoris gamo

eTqvas uari? maTi, jer kidev,

wlebis winandeli dapirispirebis

Sesaxeb, wesiT, sxvaze meti unda

icodeT, batono kote.

_ vici, ra Tqma unda, magram am

faqtors ar mgonia, dRevandelo-

basTan rame kavSiri hqondes.

_ ise, garkveuli periodi ar

CandiT, magram, batono kote,

bolo wlebis qarTul politika-

Si erT-erTi mniSvnelovani figura

xarT, rasac 2003 wlis movle-

nebic mowmobs _ bolos da bolos,

„vardebis revoluciis” win mosk-

ovSi waxvediT, rasac ivanovis

Camosvla da SevardnaZis gadadgo-

ma moyva.

_ roca moskovidan davbrundi

da amaze xmauri atyda, „pirvel

arxze” Cemi vizavi laSa nacvliSvili

iyo.

_ anu?

_ maSin uSiSroebis komitetis

Tavmjdomaris pirveli moadgile

iyo da, maxsovs, mkiTxa, ziuganovs

SexvdiTo? moskovSi wasvla akrZaluli

aravisTvisaa.

_ diax, magram im dros, roca

politikuri procesebi duRda,

ruseTis dedaqalaqSi savaWrod

rom ar waxvidodiT, amas lapara-

ki rad unda?

_ geTanxmebiT, magram ar minda,

detalebze visaubro. ubralod,

xom SeiZleba, iseTi viziti iyos,

romelic yvelasTan, maT Soris,

saerTaSoriso megobrebTanaa SeTanxmebuli

da qveynis interesebisTvis

swored is sargebeli mohqondes,

rom Cven msoflios absoluturad

civilizebuli nawili

viyoT! sxvaTa Soris, igive movlenebs

vuaxlovdebiT da dRes 2003

welze saubari im adamianebmac daiwyes,

romlebic amas kategoriulad

gaurbodnen. mokled, maSin SevardnaZes

mxolod dasavleTidan

ki ara, mgoni, kosmosidanac afrTxilebdnen,

rom arCevnebi ar gaeyalbebina,

magram es ar Seismina, anu

garemocva arwmunebda, opozicia

da dasavleTi vinaa, Cven yvelaferi

SegviZliao.

_ dRevandeli xelisufebis

poziciac amas xom ar hgavs?

_ amdeni saerTaSoriso werilis

miuxedavad, „ocnebas” zerele

damokidebuleba aqvs!

_ SeiZleba, magram modiT, miTx-

ariT, maSin ivanovi saqarTveloSi

Tqven CamoiyvaneT?

_ ara! ivanovi sakmaod didi

figura iyo saimisod, rom me Camomeyvana.

sxvaTa Soris, „vardebis

revoluciis” Semdeg ruseTSi el-

Cad daviniSne da erTi dRiT adre,

sanam ivanovi baTumSi Cafrindeboda

da abaSiZes waiyvanda, vivaraude,

xval an zeg baTumSi maRali

rangis pirovneba Cava da abaSiZes

moskovSi waiyvanen-meTqi. asec moxda...

erTi sityviT, is, rac maSin

xdeboda, dRevandel viTarebas Zalian

hgavs _ viRacebi amboben, araferi

Seicvleba, radgan Zlieria

da „ocnebas” fuli aqvso, magram

SevardnaZe gacilebiT Zlieri iyo

da arc mis garemocvas hqonda naklebi

fuli, magram vnaxeT, yvelaferi

rogorc damTavrda. saer-

Tod, roca movlenebis ganviTarebis

swori kursi arsebobs, es politikur

procesebzec zemoqmedebs

da amis Sedegs Semodgomaze vixilavT.

SeiZleba, yvelaferi SemodgomiT

ar dasruldes, magram aseT

SemTxvevaSi dRis wesrigSi, didi

albaTobiT, Sualeduri arCevnebis

sakiTxi dadgeba.

_ ratom?

_ legitimaciis gamo...

_ vnaxoT... mokled, warmatebebs

gisurvebT, batono kote!

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`darwmunebuli var, oqtomberSi

19 wlis fexburTelis, giorgi

giorgi abaSiZe

SaqaraSvilis sadisturma mkv-

lelobam mxolod mTeli qveyana ki

ar SeZra, aramed winasaarCevnod politikuri dRis wesrigic

Secvala, anu miuxedavad imisa, rom „ocnebis” spikerebs gamo-

ZiebasTan kiTxvebi ar gaaCniaT da acxadeben, tragediis politikuri

miznebisTvis gamoyeneba ar SeiZlebao, faqtia: sisxlianma

dabadebis dRem sazogadoebis absolutur umravleso-

baSi daucvelobisa da usamarTlobis gancda gaamZafra. ise,

niSandoblivia, rom „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi swored msgavsi

tragediebis fonze movida, anu yvelas gvaxsovs arCil kbilaSvilis

gancxadeba, romelmac mTavar prokurorad daniSvnis

dros Tqva, _ girgvlianis, vazagaSvilisa da sxvaTa trage-

diebi rom ar yofiliyo, Cven arCevnebs ver movigebdiTo. axla

ki ise gamodis, rom „ocneba” winamorbedis Secdomebs imeorebs

da Tundac amitomac „Saqaras” mkvleloba rigiTi krimi-

nali ki ara, garkveulwilad, sistemuri danaSaulia!

yvelafer amis paralelurad

„ocnebas” myari poziciebi arc

saerTaSoriso TanamegobrobaSi

aqvs. yovel SemTxvevaSi, zustad

maSin, roca „eTnikur da konfesiur

urTierTobaTa centris” xe-

lmZRvanel lela jejelavasTan

„qronika+~ intervius werda, cno-

bili gaxda, rom aSS-is kongresma

saqarTvelosTvis

daxmarebis

15%-iT gayinvis iniciativas

pirveli mosmeniT dauWira mxari.

Sesabamisad, Cvens saubarSi krim-

inali, sistemuri danaSauli da

didi politika erTmaneTs, ase

vTqvaT, gadaeba:

_ qalbatono lela, kriminali

yvelgan da yovelTvis xdeba da,

Sesabamisad, giorgi SaqaraSvilis

mkvlelobac Tavidan SesaZloa,

rigiTi kriminali iyo, magram,

dRevandeli mocemulobiT, am

tragediam politikuri dRis wes-

rigi Secvala. Tqveni azriT, ase

ratom moxda?

_ geTanxmebiT, rom kriminali

yvela qveyanaSi da yvela dros

xdeba, magram am mravalmoqmedebianma

tragediam, romelic axalgazrda

biWis gardacvalebas ukavSirdeba,

im viTarebis mTeli tragizmi

warmoaCina, sadac Cveni sazogadoeba

da saxelmwifo imyofeba.

_ „mravalmoqmedebianSi” ras

gulisxmobT?

_ jer erTi, axalgazrdebis ur-

TierTobas, anu tragikuli SemTxvevis

Semdeg, im detalebis mixedviT,

rac mediiT viciT, axalgazrdebis

moqmedeba auxsneli da

ucnauria _ Cxubis Semdeg erTmane-

Ti ar moikiTxes da sadResaswaulo

sufra gaagrZeles. meore da

mTavari _ gamoZiebaSi yoveli dRe

axal kiTxvis niSans aCens. saer-

Tod, aseTi tragedia mxolod er-

Ti konkretuli ojaxis ki ara,

mTeli saxelmwifos tragediaa, radgan

kriminali gaizarda da axalgazrdebisa

da, zogadad, adamianebis

sicocxle daucvelia. amasTan,

samarTaldamcveli organoebis mimarT

ndoba ar arsebobs da amitom

sazogadoeba, ufro konkretulad,

media _ alternatiul gamo-

Ziebas atarebs. Sesabamisad, sam kviraze

metia, TiToeuli Cvengani

udidesi stresis qveS vimyofebiT

da sikvdilTan, praqtikulad,

yoveldRiuri Sexeba gvaqvs!

_ xoravas quCis tragediaSi

mirza subelianis ojaxis axlobeli

figurirebda, ris gamoc ofi-

cialuri uwyebebi saqmis „gasu-

fTavebas” cdilobdnen, magram

SaqaraSvilis saqmis argaxsna,

Tqveni azriT, saxelmwifos ratom

awyobs? gasagebia, rom fotogr-

afi Sss-s pressamsaxuris xelmZR-

vanel nino giorgobianis ojaxis

wevria, magram gamoZieba mxolod

amis gamo ferxdeba Tu SeiZleba,

sxva sababic arsebobdes?

_ amas ver getyviT, magram faqtia,

rom or kviraze metia, televiziiT

„kawros” Sesaxeb saubroben

da ramdenime dRis win es adamiani

gamokiTxvazec daibares. weRandeli

Tqmisa ar iyos, am saqmeze Seusabamo

informaciebs vigebT. ai, magaliTad,

advokatebis xelSi Sem-

TxveviT piradi cxovrebis kadrebi

aRmoCnda. amasTan, SesaZlo danaSaulis

erT-erTi mniSvnelovani

adgili aseve SemTxveviT daiwva.

garda amisa, gamoZaxebis adgilze

SemTxveviT saswrafoc ar mivida.

mokled, imdeni „SemTxveviTobaa”,

rom saxelmwifo raRacis gamo

Zalian gaixlarTa, magram es raRac

ra aris, ar viciT. amaze pasuxi Tavad

saxelmwifom unda gasces!

_ ise, saxelmwifom pasuxi bevr

rameze unda gasces. ai, Tundac

imaze, rom rogorc am wuTebSi

gavige, aSS-is kongresma pirveli

mosmeniT daamtkica kanonproeqti,

romlis Tanaxmadac, ameriku-

li daxmarebebis 15% gagveyineba,

anu „ocnebis” qmedebebis gamo saqarTvelos

prodasavluri realoba,

nebsiT Tu uneblieT, icvle-

ba?

_ prodasavluri realoba ar

icvleba, magram imis mkafio niSnebi,

„ocneba” rogor realobaSic

SeiZleba, aRmoCndes, ukve saxezea.

roca xelisufleba cud mdgomareobaSi

aRmoCndeba, cxadia, es mTel

qveyanaze aisaxeba.

_ amerikuli daxmarebebis 15

procentiT SesaZlo gayivna Ti-

Toeul Cvenganze rogor aisaxe-

ba?

_ es Tanxa SeiZleba, Zalian didi

araa _ rogorc vici, sul 20

milion dolarzea saubari, magram

amas ekonomikurze metad politikuri

mniSvneloba aqvs. es alarmia!

_ anu?

_ es saqarTvelos xelisuflebisadmi

gafrTxilebaa, rom valdebulia,

is pirobebi Seasrulos,

rasac amerikis SeerTebul StatebTan

partnioroba gulisxmobs!

_ amerikis SeerTebul Stat-

ebTan partniorobis erT-erTi

piroba demokratia da samarTlianobaa,

magram igive „SaqaraSvi-

lis saqme” mowmobs, rom qveyanaSi

usamarTlobaa gamefebuli, maSas-

adame, „ocnebas” amerikuli sanqciebi,

momiteveT da, fexze kid-

ia, ara?

_ ufro rbilad vityvi _ xelisuflebas

es gafrTxileba Sei-

Zleba, ar ainteresebs.

_ ratom?

_ veWvob, „ocnebas” procesebi

mizanmimarTulad mihyavs iqiTken,

rom qveyana aSS-sa da, saerTod,

civilizebuli dasavleTis orbitas

CamoaSoros! saqarTvelos

Sesaxeb Canaweri aSS-is usafrTxoebis

im dokumentSi gaCnda, romelsac

13 kongresmeni awers xels, rac

imas niSnavs, rom aSS saqarTvelosTan

partniorobas ise ganixilavs,

rogorc Tavisi usafrTxoebisa

da geostrategiuli interesebis

nawils. Sesabamisad, aSS sakuTari

usafrTxoebisa da geostrategiuli

interesebis dacva-

Si Zalian Tanmimdevruli iqneba.

lela jejelava:

_ e. i., Tu TeTri saxli „oc-

nebis” xelisuflebis calkeul

warmomadgenlebs sanqciebs dau-

wesebs da, amasTan, saqarTvelos

daxmarebebis 15 procentsac gauyinavs,

amiT aSS sakuTar geo-

strategiul interesebs daicavs?

_ rasakvirvelia. zogadad, aSS

Tavisi usafrTxoebisa da geostrategiuli

interesebis dasacavad

mis xelT arsebul yvela berkets

gamoiyenebs! partnioroba

calmxrivi araa, anu partniorobis

dokumenti ormxrivad gvaqvs gaformebuli

da am ormxriv dokumentSi

Cveni valdebulebebi gvaqvs.

_ mesmis, magram Tu „ocneba”

gafrTxilebebsa da sanqciebs angariSs

ar gauwevs, aSS Cvens saSinao

saqmeebSi ver Caereva da sab-

olood, Tavs dagvanebebs da gve-

tyvis, kiseric gitexiaTo. hoda,

„ocnebac” CrdiloeTisken gaagr-

Zelebs svlagezs. vcdebi?

_ saqme ase martivadac araa,

samarcxvinoa, roca saqarTvelos parlamentSi

aris deputati (yavelaSvili), romelic ver

xvdeba da verc gansxvavebas grZnobs, ras

niSnavs, roca ruseTis romelime sportul

gundSi qarTvelic TamaSobs da - amerikelic!

ruseTs aSS-is teritoriebi okupirebuli ar

aqvs da òcnebis~ deputats, roca amgvari

analogia mohyavs, nuTu, ar rcxvenia? mTeli

tragizmi is aris, rom gaazrebulic ar aqvs,

ra tipis sibriyve Tqva!~

`SaqaraSvilis

mravalmoqmedebianma

dramam im viTarebis

tragizmi warmoaCina,

romelSic saxelmwifo

imyofeba!~

rom xelisuflebam is gaakeTos,

rac moundeba. sxvaTa Soris, axlaxan

amerikelma kongresmenma,

mark malenma, „mTavars” interviu

misca da ganacxada, _ vimedeovneb,

aSS-is saxelmwifo administracias

male im mtkicebulebebs warvudgenT,

rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba

ruseTsa da iranTan Tanam-

Sromlobso.

_ qalbatono lela, ratom

ggoniaT, rom Cveni xelisufleba

Tavis kurssa da politikas am

mtkicebulebebis wardgenis Sem-

deg mainc Secvlis?

_ saqarTvelos usafrTxoebis

doqtriniT ruseTi mtrul saxelmwifodaa

aRiarebuli.

_ mere?

_ Tu Cven, saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs,

dagvideben mtkicebulebas,

rom Cveni xelisufleba, piradi

interesebidan gamomdinare,

mterTan TanamSromlobs, TiToeuli

Cvengani rogor moviqceviT _

wavalT da arCevnebze mainc mas

mivcemT xmas?

_ me, Tqven da kidev bevrma

SeiZleba, „ocnebas” xma ar mivceT,

magram ar dagaviwydeT, rom am

qveyanaSi prorusuli ganwyobebi

gazrdilia. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

isini, romlebsac „moskovebSi 37

maneTad frenis” nostalgia aqvT,

cotani ar arian!

_ aseTi adamianebi iseTi bevrnic

ar arian, rom maT pozicias

arCevnebze gadamwyveti mniSvneloba

hqondes! saerTod, eleqtoraluri

mosaxleobis sakmaod seriozul

nawils axalgazrdoba warmoadgens

da gasuli wlis 20 ivniss

am axalgazrdobis ganwyoba vnaxeT

_ rogorc ki mtruli saxelmwifos

warmomadgeneli saqarTvelos parlamentSi

dainaxes, spontanurad

da impulsurad quCaSi gamovidnen!

Cemi azriT, SeuZlebelia, amerikel

kongresmens, winare pirobebis gareSe,

is gancxadeba gaekeTebina, romelic

gaakeTa. Sesabamisad, Tuki

ruseTsa da iranTan TanamSromlobis

dokumentebi gaCndeba, rogor

fiqrobT, saqarTvelos axalgazrdoba

ras izams? vinme fiqrobs,

rom arCevnebze am xelisuflebis

winaaRmdeg ar miscems xmas?

_ cxadia, miscems, magram am

konteqstSi Tornike Sengelias

rusul sakalaTburTo klubSi

gadasvla, ufro sworad, amaze

„ocnebis” reaqciebi ganvixiloT.

ai, magaliTad, deputatma yave-

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laSvilma ganacxada, rusul klu-

bebSi amerikelebic TamaSoben da

Sengelias Tavi daanebeTo. yave-

laSvilis es gancxadeba tipuri

„qocuri” narativia Tu ara?

_ samarcxvinoa, roca saqarTvelos

parlamentSi aris deputati

(yavelaSvili), romelic ver xvdeba

da verc gansxvavebas grZnobs,

ras niSnavs, roca ruseTis romelime

sportul gundSi qarTvelic

TamaSobs da _ amerikelic! ruseTs

aSS-is teritoriebi okupirebuli

ar aqvs da „ocnebis” deputats,

roca amgvari analogia mohyavs,

nuTu, ar rcxvenia? mTeli tragizmi

is aris, rom gaazrebulic

ar aqvs, ra tipis sibriyve Tqva!

_ „qocebis” umetesobisTvis

sibriyve xom „dedis rZesaviTaa”,

qalbatono lela!

_ Tqven, ra, imas meubnebiT, rom

Cveni qveynis mosaxleobis umetesoba

„qocia”? ase namdvilad araa!

_ geTanxmebiT, magram e. w. Sua-

Sisturi sazogadoebac mravalricxovania,

romelsac arc „qoce-

bi” unda da arc _ „nacebi”.

_ „SuaSistur sazogadoebas”

SeiZleba, erTi an meore partia ar

moswondes, magram qveynis mterTan

eWvmitanil xelisuflebas xmas

arasodes miscems!

_ RmerTma qnas, magram Tu ar

darwmunda, rom xelisuflebis

Secvla gardauvalia, mosaxle-

obam SeiZleba, xeli Caiqnios da

opozicias ndoba ar gamoucxa-

dos, miT umetes, rom opoziciur

orbitazec, rogorc irkveva,

didi ryevebia.

_ ra proeqtsac ar unda axorcielebdes

adamiani, ase iqceva:

jer mizans gansazRvravs, Semdeg _

amocanebs.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ aSS-s argumentebi rom ar

hqonoda, saqarTvelos axlandeli

xelisufleba ruseTTan, iransa da

im sxva saxelmwifoebTan, romlebic

aSS-is geopolitikur interesebTan

winaaRmdegobaSi modian, Tanam-

Sromlobs, daxmarebis 15 procentiT

Semcirebas pirveli mosmeniT

ar daamtkicebda. es pirveli qmediTi

nabijia. aqamde mxolod epistolaruli

cnobebi iyo, romelsac

„ocneba” adekvaturad ver iazrebda.

axla ki aSS-m ukve qmediTi

nabijebis gadadgma daiwyo da amiT

„ocnebas” daanaxa, rom mzadaa, sxva

qmedebebzec gadavides!

_ ki batono, magram saboloo

sityva mainc Cvens mosaxleobazea,

anu yvelaferi imazea damokide-

buli, oqtombris arCevnebze

xalxi rogor gadawyvetilebas

miiRebs.

_ rasakvirvelia, magram Tu

saqarTvelos xelisufleba saer-

TaSoriso sazogadoebisa da civilizebuli

samyarosgan Cveni saxelmwifos

mter qveyanasTan Tanam-

SromlobaSi eWvmitanili aRmoCndeba,

maSin saarCevno urnebTan

xundebs aravin dagvadebs da sxva

politikur Zalas aravin Semogvaxazinebs,

magram merwmuneT, es

saWiro ar gaxdeba, radgan xalxi

sxva arCevans gaakeTebs!

Cveni pirveli rigis amocanaa,

rom xelisuflebidan is politikuri

Zala wavides, romelic,

rogorc gveubnebian, Cvens mtrul

saxelmwifosTan TanamSromlobs!

mosaxleobas swored es unda esmodes

kargad!

_ davuSvaT, „ocneba” unda wav-

ides, magram vin unda movides?

_ damisaxeleT romelime sxva

politikuri Zala, romelic

mtrul saxelmwifosTan Tanam-

SromlobaSi dadanaSaulebuli

odesme ase Riad yofila!

_ ai, magaliTad, „patriotTa

aliansma”, romelic CrdiloeTis

mimarT simpaTiebs ar malavs,

2016-Si saarCevno barieris gada-

laxva SeZlo. amas garda, e. w. lei-

boristebis magidasTan prodasavluri

opoziciis gverdiT pro-

putinuri Zalebic sxedan.

_ aq erTi Zalian seriozuli

niuansia.

_ kerZod?

_ „patriotTa alianss” miaCnia,

rom saqarTvelom ruseTTan Tavisi

urTierToba unda gaaumjobesos,

magram am partiis deputatebis

moskovSi Casvla da iq viRacebTan

saubari im tipis danaSauli

ar aris, rogorSic saqarTvelos

xelisuflebaa eWvmitanili!

am SemTxvevaSi saubaria anakliis

portis mSeneblobis Cavardnasa

N15 (317) 14.07-20.07.2020 w.


xelisufleba Seicvleba!~

èleqtoraluri mosaxleobis sakmaod seriozul nawils axalgazrdoba

warmoadgens da gasuli wlis 20 ivniss am axalgazrdobis ganwyoba vnaxeT -

rogorc ki mtruli saxelmwifos warmomadgeneli saqarTvelos parlamentSi

dainaxes, spontanurad da impulsurad quCaSi gamovidnen!~

Tu iranis navTobis ukanono

transportirebaze. „patriotebis”

poziciasa da yvelafer amas Soris

gansxvavebas ver xedavT? ar vici,

SesaZloa, ruseTTan urTierTobis

gaumjobesebis jadosnuri wamali

aqvT, magram maTi moskovSi Casvla

politikuri gemovnebisa da sindisis

Temaa, magram am SemTxvevaSi

mavneblobis masStabebsa da praqtikuli

zianis miyenebaze vsaubrob.

„patriotTa alianss” Tavisi

amomrCeveli hyavs da veravis

movTxovT, rom yvelam erTnairad

iazrovnos, magram roca qveynis xelisufali

xar, saxelmwifos mar-

Tav da romelsac konstituciaSi

giweria, rom saqarTvelos mizani

evroatlantikur struqturebSi

gaerTianebaa, magram amis sawinaaRmdego

konkretul nabijebs

dgam, es sxva masStabis danaSaulia.

_ qalbatono lela, kiTxvas,

romelic weRan dagisviT, xelme-

ored dagisvamT da konkretulad

mipasuxeT: gasagebia, rom „ocne-

ba” unda wavides, magram vin unda

movides? vinme aRiarebs Tu ara,

faqtia: opoziciaSic erTgvari

ganxeTqilebaa. ai, magaliTad, xma

`patriotTa alianss~ miaCnia, rom saqarTvelom

ruseTTan Tavisi urTierToba unda gaaumjobesos,

magram am partiis deputatebis moskovSi Casvla

da iq viRacebTan saubari im tipis danaSauli ar

aris, rogorSic saqarTvelos xelisuflebaa

eWvmitanili! am SemTxvevaSi saubaria anakliis

portis mSeneblobis Cavardnasa Tu iranis

navTobis ukanono transportirebaze.

`patriotebis~ poziciasa da yvelafer amas Soris

gansxvavebas ver xedavT?~

dadis, rom „Zala erTobaSia” Sesa-

Zloa, „nacmoZraobam” datovos.

igive „nacionalebi” saburTaloze

Tako Carkvians, rogorc maJoritarobis

kandidats, mxars ar uW-

eren. Tavis mxriv, „kanoni da samarTlis”

liders garkveuli pre-

tenziebi „evropul saqarTvelosTan”

aqvs. kargi ambebi arc „gam-

arjvebul saqarTveloSi” xdeba.

mokled, opozicia CamoiSala?

_ ar vici, CamoSla ras niSnavs.

gasagebia, rom arCevnebze SeiZleba,

erTiani poziciiT ar wardgnen,

magram politikidan xom ar gaqrnen?

Sesabamisad, opoziciuri partiebi,

romlebic erTiani politikuri

qolgis qveS ar aRmoCndebian,

arCevnebze damoukideblad

gavlen da Tako Carkvians Tavisi

amomrCeveli eyoleba, „nacionalur

moZraobas” _ Tavisi. erTi

sityviT, im saarCevno modeliT,

romelic didi peripetiebis Sedegad

miviReT, gvaqvs SesaZlebloba,

rom parlamentSi mosaxleobis

politikuri xedva da damokidebuleba

realurad aisaxos.

_ es gasagebia, magram yvelaze

mZlavri da gavleniani opozicia

„nacmoZraobaa”, Tumca isic ar

unda dagvaviwydes, rom am parti-

is mmarTvelobis dros Cadenili

usamarTlobebi xalxs kidev axsovs

da „nacebis” dabruneba amit-

omac ar unda. aseve ar unda, rom

xelisuflebaSi „ocneba” darCes.

hoda, rogorc ityvian, win wyali

da ukan mewyeria da mosaxleobam

ra qnas?

_ Tu xalxs arc „nacebi” unda

da arc _ „qocebi”, im opoziciur

erTobaSi iseTi adamianebic xom

arian, romlebic „nacionalebis”

xelisuflebaSi ar yofilan, anu

xalxma iseT partiebs unda misces

xma, romlebsac arc „nacionalebis”

pasuxismgeblobis tvirTs akisrebs

da arc _ „ocnebis”.

_ rac Seexeba „gamarjvebuli

saqarTvelodan” liderebis wasv-

las, amaze ras ityviT?

_ am partiaSi kidev arian adamianebi,

romlebic arCevnebSi TavianTi

SesaZleblobebis fargleb-

Si cdian beds...

_ asea Tu ise, yvelaferi mianiSnebs,

rom wlevandeli arCevne-

bi urTulesi iqneba.

_ rasakvirvelia.

_ aseve TvalnaTelia, rom

saarCevno kampania cema-tyepis

fonze Caivlis.

_ Tu Cveni fiqri iqiTken iqneba

mimarTuli, rom aucileblad

cema-tyepa unda iyos, maSin iqneba,

magram ar mgonia, rom arCevnebi

cema-tyepiT Catardes. cxadia,

arafers vamtkiceb, magram oqtombramde

jer droa da winasaarCevno

periodi aCvenebs, Cveni partniorebi

gavlenebisTvis ra berketebs

gamoiyeneben, Tanac Zalian mniSvnelovania,

rom Cven mxolod Cvens

naWuWSi ar varT Caketilebi da

saerTaSoriso politikuri koniunqtura

mniSvnelovan rols Seasrulebs.

mokled, darwmunebuli

var, rom xelisufleba Seicvleba.

_ darwmunebuli ratom xarT?

_ Cveni partniorebi „ocnebas”

daavaldebuleben, minimum, iZulebuls

gaxdian, rom qcevis garkveul

CarCoebSi moeqces. sxvaTa

Soris, gamocdileba yvelas gvaqvs.

_ romeli gamocdileba?

_ roca liderebi da xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi saerTa-

Soriso dRis wesrigidan amovardebian

xolme, Zalian cudad amTavreben

da amis gamocdileba gvaqvs.

axla ki arc is unda dagvaviwydes,

rom saubaria oligarqze, anu im

adamianze, romelsac Zalian didi

finansuri kapitali aqvs da romelmac

mTeli cxovreba am kapitalis

dagrovebas miuZRvna.

_ ukacravad, es ra SuaSia?

_ ar mgonia, man gadawyvitos,

rom imis miRma darCes, rasac mTeli

cxovreba miuZRvna. erTi sityviT,

darwmunebuli var, rom

Semodgomaze maincdamainc apokalifsuri

suraTi ar gveqneba!

_ vnaxoT, ra da rogor iqneba.

sxvaTa Soris, socialur qselSi

gamoTqviT varaudi, rom xelisufleba

sazRvrebs oqtombris Sua-

mde ar gaxsnis. ase ratom fiqr-

obT?

_ aq Zalian bevri faqtoria.

pirveli is, rom pandemiis Semdgomi

ekonomikuri krizisi cud

ekonomikur viTarebas kidev ufro

gaaRrmavebs da xelisuflebas hgonia,

am fonze saarCevnod amomrCevlis

guls naklebi resursebiT

moinadirebs. garda amisa, „ocnebis”

erT-erTi amocanaa, rom dasavleTis

orbitas saqarTvelo gamostacos,

magram es Seusrulebeli

amocanaa. saerTod, arCevnebze gr-

Zelvadiani damkvirveblebic arian

da moklevadianebic. grZelvadiani

damkvirveblebi qveyanaSi

arCevnebamde oTxi-xuTi TviT adre

Cadian xolme, Tumca amjerad amis

SesaZlebloba naklebia, magram

„ocneba” mTlad mSvidad nu iqneba,

radgan moklevadiani damkvirveblebi

Camovlen. mokled, pandemiasTan

brZolis Temas xelisufleba

saarCevnod gamoiyenebs, magram

Tu sazogadoebam meti aqtiuroba

gamoiCina, SesaZloa, es mocemuloba

Seicvalos. Tu xelisuflebas,

romelic mizanmimarTulad cdilobs,

rom qveyana dasavleTis orbitas

Camoscildes, SevcvliT, ma-

Sin Cven SevZlebT, rom 30 wlis Semdeg

im gzaze gavideT, rasac qveynis

realuri suvereniteti da

damoukidebloba hqvia!

_ e. i., Tanamedrove mose

gvWirdeba?

_ am wuTas bibliuri mose ar

migulisxmia, magram faqtia: sanam

sistema, romelic Cveni ukan, anu

sabWoeTisken mibrunebis garantia,

ar Seicvleba, safrTxe mudmivad

gveqneba!

11


`Tu SaqaraSvilis mkvlelebi ar daisajnen,

leiboristebi

iniciativiT

giorgi abaSiZe

gamodian, rom politikurma par-

tiebma sportsmenebi, romlebic

ZaladobaSi arian eWvmitanilebi, partiul siebSi ar Caweron.

amas garda, Sromis partia msoflio sazogadoebas mimarTavs

da sTxovs, rom im sportul federaciebs, romelTa wevrebic

zonderebad „muSaoben”, saerTaSoriso federaciebis wevroba

SeuCerdeT, zonderobaSi mxilebul sportsmenebs ki yvela is

tituli CamoerTvaT, romelic maT saerTaSoriso Sejibrebe-

bze sxvadasxva dros moipoves.

ra SemTxvevaSi walekavs aRS-

foTebuli xalxi „ocnebas” da

ra erTiani strategia aqvs

opozicias „mmarTvelobis oligarqiuli

reJimis” Sesacvlelad?

_ Cveni gamocema gTava-

zobT intervius leiboristuli

partiis erT-erT lider gior-

gi gugavasTan:

_ batono giorgi, saubari, ra

Tqma unda, 19 wlis fexburTelis

mkvlelobiT unda daviwyoT.

Tqveni azriT, giorgi SaqaraSvilis

sadisturma tragediam ad-

amianebSi usamarTlobis gancda

gazarda?

_ ra Tqma unda, gazarda da am

tragikulma da sazarelma SemTxvevam

kidev erTxel aCvena, rogori

maxinji da danaSaulebrivi

sistemaa Seqmnili, anu saxelmwifo

kriminalur samyarosTan

kolaboraciaSia. Sesabamisad,

sportmenebisgan zonderjgufebs

qmnis, romelTac iseTi sakuTari

politikuri miznebisTvis iyenebs,

rogoricaa, magaliTad,

arCevnebis gayalbeba, politikur

oponentebsa da sxva arasasurvel

pirebTan Zaladobrivi angariSsworeba.

am kriminalur samyarosa

da zonderjgufebs saku-

Tari dRis wesrigic aqvT.

_ da es „dRis wesrigi” ra

aris?

_ kriminaluri interesebi.

yvelafer amas ki, ra Tqma unda,

Zaladoba da mkvlelobebi moyveba.

aman ukve sistemuri xasiaTi

miiRo da imis nacvlad, rom moqalaqis

usafrTxoebis mTavari

garantori iyos, saxelmwifo

kriminalur samyarosTan garigebulia

da, rogorc aRvniSne,

zonderjgufebs qmnis, anu safrTxis

Semcvelad Tavad saxelmwifo

gvevlineba.

_ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma-

gram „SaqaraSvilis saqmeSi”

kriminalebis monawileobas saxelmwifo

oficialurad ar adas-

turebs. yovel SemTxvevaSi, Se-

sabamisi uwyebebidan miniSneba

gakeTda, rom „kawro” arafer

SuaSia. aqedan gamomdinare, ra

SegviZlia vTqvaT _ saqmis gayalbebis

mizani ra aris, anu xe-

lisufleba vis afarebs xels?

_ gamokveTilia, rom gamoZieba,

rbilad rom vTqvaT, arakvalificiurad

midis. sxvaTa Soris,

sazogadoeba, gansakuTrebiT, media

rom ar Careuliyo da amasTan,

xelisuflebas is gamocdileba

rom ar hqonoda, romelic

„saraliZis saqmis” dros miiRo,

darwmunebuli var, is Sedegi,

romelic, ase Tu ise, miviReT, ar

dadgeboda, Torem Tavdapirvelad

faruli Savi xeli moqmedebda

da saxelmwifoc am saqmes

swored amitom ar iZiebda. mediis

CarTulobis Semdeg ki xelisufleba

iZulebuli gaxda, raRac

Sedegi daedo. marTalia, jer ganaCeni

ar gamoutaniaT, magram am

saqmis mTavari monawileebi zonderjgufebi

arian! sxvaTa Soris,

zonderjgufebis monawileoba

pirveli araa. igive korcxel-

Sic e. w. sadamsjelo operacia

zonderjgufebma Caatares. bolos

da bolos, Widaobis federaciis

prezidentis mier erTerT

sportsmenze ganxorcielebuli

pirdapiri Zaladoba vnaxeT,

ris gamoc dazaralebuli iZulebuli

gaxda, saqarTvelo daetovebina!

_ korcxelis incidents politikuri

sarCuli hqonda, magram

19 wlis fexburTeli poli-

tikur niadagze ar mouklavT...

_ mesmis, magram iciT, Zaladoba

aseTi sistematuri ratomaa?

_ ratom?

_ zonderjgufebs mfarveloben,

anu isini xelisuflebisgan

waqezebuli arian da ician, rom

nebismier SemTxvevaSi daculebi

iqnebian, radgan arCevnebis dros

oponentebTan angariSsworebebisas

binZur davalebebs asruleben.

ar iciT, rom arCevnebis dros

kriminalur samyaros saku-

Tari razmebi pirdapir saarCevno

ubnebTan hyavs ganlagebuli xolme?

_ diax, amis Sesaxeb bevrs

saubroben.

_ kriminalis buneba aseTia _

yaCaRoba, mkvleloba, Zarcva

unda Caidinos an vinme daCagros,

magram amis gamo pasuxs aravin

sTxovs, radgan xelisuflebisgan

mfarvelobas grZnobs! kriminaluri

samyaro saxelmwifod gadaiqca!

amis yvelaze tragikuli

gamovlineba giorgi SaqaraSvilis

mkvlelobaa da Tu es sistema ar

CamovSaleT da davangrieT, maSin

mkvlelobebi gagrZeldeba!

_ batono giorgi, faqtebiT

vimsjeloT, anu marTalia, igive

„kawroze” media bevrs saubrobs,

magram SaqaraSvilis tragediaze

gamoZieba mas arafers edaveba.

Sesabamisad, ris safuZvelze am-

bobT, rom „Saqara” im zonderjgufebma

imsxverples, romelT-

ac xelisufleba mfarvelobs?

_ konkretul pirovnebebze ki

ara, faqtze vsaubrob.

_ da es faqti ra aris?

_ gamoZiebas, saxelmwifos saxeliT,

Sss an prokuratura

atarebs da viRacis Savi xeli saqmis

Cafarcxvas cdilobs!

_ hoda, eg amixeniT, saqmis

Cafarcxvis kvali sad Cans?

_ mtkicebulebebis Segnebulad

ganadgurebaSi, mowmeebze

giorgi gugava:

`xelisuflebas

unda, rom

pandemiuri afera

gaaTamaSos da

arCevnebze

sasurveli

Sedegi dados!~

zemoqmedebaSi, SemTxvevis adgilze

xanZris gaCenaSi...

_ sxvaTa Soris, am saqmeSi saxelmwifo

moxelec, kerZod, Sss-

s pressamsaxuris xelmZRvaneli

da misi naTesavi figurireben.

Sesabamisad, rogor fiqrobT,

saqmis Cafarcxvis mcdelobaSi

saxelmwifo moxeleebis roli

ufro mniSvnelovania Tu _ krim-

inaluri samyarosi?

_ ra Tqma unda, saxelmwifosi,

radgan danaSaulebrivi samyaros

winaaRmdeg brZola da marTlwesrigis

aRsruleba saxelmwifos

konstituciuri valdebulebaa!

Tu mis interesSi ar Sedis, kriminali

saxelmwifos verafers ai-

Zulebs. swored amitom vambob,

rom saxelmwifosa da kriminalebs

Soris kolaboraciaa, anu

farulma xelma gankarguleba

gasca da gamoZiebamac mrude

gziT siaruli daiwyo!

_ Tqveni azriT, giorgobians

imxela gavlena aqvs, rom misi

davalebiT gamoZiebam mrude

gziT siaruli daiwyo?

_ ar vambob, rom saqme giorgobianisa

da misi naTesavidan gamomdinarea

gamrudebuli.

_ aba?

_ yvelaferi ufro maRal ierarqebamde

midis!

_ sxvaTa Soris, Tqveni lideri,

Salva naTelaSvili, naZaladevis

maJoritarobis kandidatia,

anu pirdapir zemoxseneb-

ul zonderjgufebTan mogiwevT,

ase vTqvaT, urTierToba. maTTan

gasamklaveblad ra meqanizmebi

gaqvT?

_ Cveni, rogorc partiis, er-

TaderTi meqanizmi am sistemis

mxilebaa! aba, zonderjgufebTan

samoqalaqo oms xom ar gavaCaRebT?

isini ideologiurad unda

gavanadguroT! sxvaTa Soris,

sazogadoebam ukve icis, rom gadavwyviteT,

saerTaSoriso sportul

federaciebs mivmarToT

da movTxovoT, rom im adgilobriv

sportul federaciebs, romelTa

sportsmenebic Zaladobriv

qmedebebsa da korufciul

saqmianobaSi arian CarTulebi,

`sxvaTa Soris, zonderjgufebis monawileoba

pirveli araa. igive korcxelSic e. w.

sadamsjelo operacia zonderjgufebma

Caatares. bolos da bolos, Widaobis

federaciis prezidentis mier erT-erT

sportsmenze ganxorcielebuli pirdapiri

Zaladoba vnaxeT, ris gamoc dazaralebuli

iZulebuli gaxda, saqarTvelo daetovebina!~

saerTaSoriso federaciebis wevrobis

statusebi SeuCerdeT!

garda amisa, viTxovT, rom sportsmenebs,

romlebic aseT saqmianobaSi

iqnebian SemCneulni, mxolod

saerTaSoriso titulebi

ki ar CamoerTvaT, aramed, sportuli

moRvaweoba da samwvrTnelo

saqmianobac aekrZaloT! Tu

ase ar moviqceviT, maSin vxedavT,

rom „Tanamoqalaqeebis mkvlelTa

daqiravebuli razmebi” miviReT.

_ sxvaTa Soris, Salva naTela-

Svili imasac iTxovs, rom sportsmenebs

politikaSi monawile-

obac aekrZaloT, magram es iniciativa,

mgoni, diskriminaci-

ulia, radgan SesaZloa, bevri

patiosani sportsmeni, romel-

sac politikaSi wasvla unda,

dazaraldes...

_ diskriminacia arafer Sua-

Sia!

_ aba?

_ ubralod, saubari imazea,

rom Seqmnili viTarebidan gamomdinare,

partiebma kunTmagari

xalxi, romelic ZaladobaSi iqneba

mxilebuli, partiul siaSi ar

Seiyvanon! weRandeli Tqmisa ar

iyos, yvelafer amas unda SevebrZoloT!

angelozi biWi mxecurad

Seiwires, magram amis miuxedavad,

sportul federaciebs

dagmobis gancxadebac ki ar

gaukeTebiaT!

_ sxvaTa Soris, ragbis kavSir-

ma ganacxada, rom dakavebul mo-

ragbeebs masTan kavSiri ar aqvs,

anu klubi „askanelebi”, romlis

saTaveSic braldebuli morag-

beebi dganan, rogorc irkveva,

ragbis federaciis wevri araa.

_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, wevria

Tu ara? bolos da bolos, Rirsebis

kodeqsi arsebobs. ai, magali-

Tad, iaponiaSi sumoistma Tavisi

Zala tatams miRma rom gamoiyenos,

rogor warmogidgeniaT, am

sferoSi kidev gaaCereben? _

gamoricxulia! roca sportsmenebi

kriminalur dakveTebs masobrivad

asruleben, es Zalian SemaSfoTebelia

da yvelafer amis

winaaRmdeg mxolod ideologiuri

ki ara, regulaciuri brZo-

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12 N15 (317) 14.07-20.07.2020 w.


sazogadoeba òcnebas~ walekavs!~

laa saWiro!

_ ise, batono giorgi, „Saqara-

Svilis saqmem” politikuri Te-

mebi gadafara, maT Soris, e. w.

qalTa kvotirebac aRaravis ax-

sovs. arada, roca amis Sesaxeb

SevityveT, Tqvenma partiulma

liderma ritorikulad ikiTxa, _

ver gavige, deputatebs virCevT

Tu sasqeso organoebso? mok-

led, genderul kvotirebaze

leiboristebs aseTi mZafri

reaqcia imitom gqondaT, rom

qalebi, romelTac saarCevno

siaSi CawerT, ar gyavT?

_ es arafer SuaSia.

_ aba?

_ aseTi savaldebulo kvotirebis

daweseba Cveni eris, istoriis,

kulturisa da mxolod qalebis

ki ara, mamakacebis Seuracxyofacaa!

_ ratom?

_ ai, magaliTad, roca eqimi gWirdebaT,

sqesis mixedviT arCevT

xolme, Tu profesionalizmis?

_ cxadia, profesionalizmis,

magram es ra SuaSia?

_ parlamenti saxelmwifo

mmarTvelobis mTavari organoa,

miT umetes, saparlamento respublikaSi

da misi formireba imis

mixedviT unda ganxorcieldes,

vin romeli sqesis warmomadgenelia?

anu yvelaferi es sasqeso

organoebze unda daviyvanoT da

amiT problema ramenairad mogvardeba?

ar minda, sadRegrZelosaviT

gamomivides, magram me-12 saukuneSi

mefe-qali gyvavda da „lekvi

lomisa sworia” swored maSin daiwera.

sxvaTa Soris, saqarTvelo-

Si, gansakuTrebiT mTaSi, gvarebis

umetesoba qalTa saxelebidan

modis imitom, rom matriarqaluri

mmarTvelobis formebic arsebobda

da Cvens istoriaSi qalebs

udidesi mniSvneloba hqondaT!

es ra aris, ra ubedurebaa?!

sakiTxis ase xelovnurad gansaz-

Rvra problemas agvarebs? qalebze

Zaladoba absoluturad sxva

Temaa, romelsac gansakuTrebuli

mogvareba sWirdeba.

_ qalTa kvotirebis inicia-

tiviT „ocneba”, ar mgonia, qale-

bze Zaladobis aRmofxvris gamo

gamosuliyo. am ideas, albaT,

ufro sxva politikuri miznebi

aqvs. vcdebi?

_ ar vici, „ocnebas” ra mizani

aqvs, magram parlamentis wevrTa

aseTi xelovnuri kvotireba,

rogorc giTxariT, Cveni kulturis,

istoriis, sazogadoebis,

qalis, mamakacisa da saerTod,

yvelasa da yvelafris Seuracxyofaa!

_ da zustad maSin, roca „ocneba”

zonderjgufebs mfarvel-

obs da qalTa kvotirebas akan-

onebs, opoziciis erTianobis

N15 (317) 14.07-20.07.2020 w.

òpozicias aqvs erTiani strategia, rom

arsebuli reJimi Secvalos, koaliciuri

mTavroba Seqmnas da qveyana ganviTarebis

axal gzaze gaiyvanos~

miTi i imsxvreva. yovel SemTxveva-

Si, xma dadis, rom magaliTad,

„Zala erTobaSia”, SesaZloa, dai-

Salos...

_ ase araa.

_ anu?

_ imasTan dakavSirebiT, rom

arsebuli oligarqiuli reJimi

unda Seicvalos, opozicias er-

Tiani strategia aqvs.

_ da es strategia rogoria,

opozicia oligarqiuli reJimis

Secvlas rogor apirebs?

_ saerTod, arCevnebis wina periodSi,

roca sia da maJoritarebi

ganisazRvreba, aseTi duRili

Cveulebrivi movlenaa. ai, magal-

èrTi mxriv, òcnebas~ ar unda, rom Tavisi

zonderebi gaanawyenos da arc is unda,

kriminalur sindikatTan gaformebul

xelSekrulebas gadaxedos, radgan yvelaferi

es arCevnebisTvis sWirdeba. meore mxriv ki,

Tu mkvlelebi ar daisajnen da `SaqaraSvilis

saqmeze~ realuri marTlmsajuleba ar dadga,

òcneba~ xalxis winaaRmdegobis warmoudgenel

talRas miiRebs!

iTad, roca aSS-Si saprezidento

arCevnebi iwyeba xolme, saprezidento

kandidatis gamosavlenad

partiebSi praimerebi tardeba da,

albaT, iciT, am dros ra dapirispirebebi

xdeba xolme, Tumca es

imas ar niSnavs, rom partias saer-

To strategia ar gaaCnia.

mokled, opozicias aqvs er-

Tiani strategia, rom arsebuli

reJimi Secvalos, koaliciuri

mTavroba Seqmnas da qveyana ganviTarebis

axal gzaze gaiyvanos.

_ RmerTma qnas, opoziciis

strategiam gaamarTlos, magram

amasobaSi, aSS-m, SesaZloa, sanqc-

iebi dagviwesos. yovel SemTxve-

vaSi, kongresma daxmarebebis 15

procentis gayinvaze gadawyvet-

ileba pirveli mosmeniT ukve mi-

iRo. zogierTi ambobs, rom am

kuTxiT

saboloo gadawyvetil

ileba

oqtombramde ar miiReba, magram

Tu arCevnebSi isev „ocne-

ba” gaimarjvebs, mere ra gvelis?

_ vin giTxraT, rom oqtombramde

ar iqneba? efeqtiani sanqciebi,

praqtikulad, amoqmedda.

_ es efeqtianoba sad gamoix-

ata?

_ asignirebis komitetma sasanqcio

paketi daamtkica. gadawyvetileba

ki komitetma da Semdeg

senatma unda miiRos. saer-

Tod, aseTi gadawyvetilebebi,

rogorc wesi, mtkicdeba xolme.

erTi sityviT, es sanqciebi ukve

amoqmedebulia da awi saubari

ivaniSvilisa da misi garemocvis

personalur sanqcirebaze iqneba!

faqtebi daideba da Tu ivaniSvili

mSvidobiani, samarTliani

arCevnebis Catarebas an xelisuflebis

samarTliani gziT gadabarebas

ar uzrunvelyofs, mere

naxeT, Tavs rac daatydeba!

_ ra daatydeba?

_ pirovnuli ubedureba!

_ ufro konkretulad?

_ misi angariSebi da aqtivebi

gaiyineba, cariel-tarieli dar-

Ceba da SeiZleba, Worvilamde

wasasvleli fulic ar hqondes!

_ Tqveni azriT, yvelafer

amas ivaniSvili ver xvdeba?

_ sakuTari ganaCeni Tavad dawera

da Tu ase moiqceva, maSin am

ganaCens daimZimebs! is, albaT,

fiqrobs, rom misTvis veravin

moiclis da gaZvreba, magram es

strategia mcdaria.

_ amas ris safuZvelze am-

bobT?

_ plaxatniukis magaliTze.

sxva diqtatorebis magaliTebic

viciT. ase rom, Zalian mZimed

daamTavrebs da am situaciidan

gamosavals rogorc unda eZebdes,

gzebi moWrili aqvs! erTaderTi,

riTac ganaCenis Semsubuqeba

SeuZlia isaa, rom xelisufleba

mSvidobiani da arCevnebis

gziT gadaabaros. ufro sworad,

samarTliani, Tavisufali da

demokratiuli arCevnebi unda

uzrunvelyos!

_ samarTliani arCevnebis

erT-erTi garanti saerTa-

Soriso sadamkvirveblo misiebia,

magram im dros, roca szRvrebi

Caketilia da arsebobs molodi-

ni, rom oqtombris Sua ricxve-

bamde SesaZloa, arc gaixsnas, es

arCevnebis gayalbebis winapiro-

ba xom ar gaxdeba?

_ xelisuflebam sazRvrebi

rac unda gadaketos, saerTa-

Soriso damkvirveblebis Camosvlas

mainc ver Seaferxebs!

_ ratom?

_ saerTod, sazRvrebis Caketvas

ori mizani aqvs _ politikuri

da ekonomikuri (biznesi).

_ anu?

_ qveyana rac ufro xangrZlivad

iqneba Caketili, misi kompaniebi

monopoliurad didxans

imoqmedeben da es saSualebas miscems,

meti fuli gaakeTos. rac

Seexeba politikur mizans, amzadebs,

rom qveyana gamoketos da

raRac pandemiuri afera gaaTama-

Sos, raTa arCevnebze sasurveli

Sedegi dados, magram es orive

scenari marcxisTvisaa ganwiruli!

_ sxvaTa Soris, saraliZis

saqmeze gvaxsovs, xalxi quCaSi

gamovida da maSin „ocnebam” kri-

zisis gadagoreba Zlivs moaxer-

xa. gamoricxavT, „SaqaraSvilis

saqmiT” aRSfoTebuli mosaxleoba

quCaSi rom ar gamovides, xelisuflebam

sisxliani dabadebis

dRis saqme obieqturad gamoiZios

da 19 wlis biWis re-

aluri mkvlelebi dasajos?

_ es xelisuflebis valdebulebaa

da Tu ase ar moiqceva, sazogadoebam,

romelic damuxtulia,

SesaZloa, igi walekos! samwuxarod,

mkvleli quCaSi dadis

da amitom es sistema unda CamoiSalos!

_ batono giorgi, Tqveni

azriT, „ocnebisTvis” ra ufro

mniSvnelovania _ sakuTari Zle-

vamosilebis xazgasma Tu is, rom

xalxi quCaSi ar gamovides da

arCevnebis win met-naklebi sta-

biluroba SeinarCunos?

_ erTi mxriv, „ocnebas” ar

unda, rom Tavisi zonderebi

gaanawyenos da arc is unda, kriminalur

sindikatTan gaformebul

xelSekrulebas gadaxedos, radgan

yvelaferi es arCevnebisTvis

sWirdeba. meore mxriv ki, Tu mkvlelebi

ar daisajnen da „SaqaraSvilis

saqmeze” realuri marTlmsajuleba

ar dadga, „ocneba”

xalxis winaaRmdegobis warmoudgenel

talRas miiRebs!

_ mokled, ucxelesi saar-

Cevno kampania da, Sesabamisad,

arCevnebi gvelodeba, ara?

_ ra Tqma unda!!!

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ìvaniSvili Tavisive Seqmnili

arCevnebamde oTxi TviT adre

giorgi abaSiZe

qveyanaSi usamarTlobis gancda

gamZafrda da TiTqos warsulSi

davbrundiT, anu 2012 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis winac,

praqtikulad, aseTi viTareba gvqonda _ nebismieri adamiani

maSindeli xelisuflebis Tavgasulobaze mianiSnebda da erTi

suli hqonda, „nacionalebi” xelisuflebidan wasuliyvnen.

SesaZloa, maSindeli da axlandeli

mocemulobis Sedareba

vinmes ar moewonos, magram 19

wlis fexburTelis, giorgi

SaqaraSvilis sadisturma mkvlelobam

kidev erTxel xazgasmiT

dagvanaxa, rom qveyanaSi

dausjelobis sindromi pikSia,

anu Tu „zeviT” Zalian gavleniani

an, Tundac, saSualod gavleniani

nacnobi gyavs, SegiZlia,

nebismieri saxis kriminali Caidino,

magram amisTvis pasuxs

aravin mogTxovs da Sens „Sav

saqmes” momentalurad „gaasufTaveben”.

es ki imaze mianiSnebs,

rom am qveyanaSi adamiani,

rogorc mTavari Rirebuleba,

aravis ainteresebs. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

xelisufleba sakuTari

moqalaqeebis usafrTxoebaze

rom ar zrunavs, es polaruli

RamesaviT naTelia.

„qristian-demokratiuli

moZraobis” lideri goCa jojua

Cvens gamocemasTan ambobs, rom

im dros, roca xelisufleba adamians

„fexze ikidebs”, es erT

rameze mianiSnebs, rom mmarTveli

partia, ubralod, dalpa!

zogadad, saqarTvelos uaxles

istorias Tu gadavxedavT,

es pirveli SemTxveva araa, roca

xelisuflebas lpoba Seepara,

Tumca, adrindelis msgavsad,

mmarTvel elitas amis aRiareba

ar unda da iseTi poza uWiravs,

rom TiTqos yvelaferi Zalian

kargadaa. arada, sinamdvileSi,

yvelaze apolitikuri moqalaqec

xvdeba, rom „daniis samefoSi

raRac ayrolda!”

„yoveli dRe ki ara, yoveli

saaTi „ocnebas” xelisuflebas

aSorebs”, _ acxadebs goCa joj-

ua da „qronika+”-isTvis micemul

vrcel interviuSi politikuri

dajgufebebis Sida ome-

bze detalurad mogviTxrobs:

_ batono goCa, saubari, cxadia,

19 wlis fexburTelis mkv-

lelobiT unda daviwyoT da is

kiTxva unda dagisvaT, romli-

Tac bolo dros yvela respon-

dents mivmarTav: am tragediam,

romelmac politikuri dRis

wesrigi Secvala, adamianebSi

usamarTlobis gancda kidev

ufro gaaZliera?

_ erTi SexedviT, politikuri

dRis wesrigi, TiTqos, marTlac,

gadaiwia, magram vfiqrob, aranaklebi

dRis wesrigia, roca saqme

adamians exeba. saerTod, politika

adamianebis gareSe ar arsebobs,

iseT saxelmwifoSi ki, sadac

adamiani wina planze ar idga,

erTxel ukve vicxovreT.

_ wina xelisuflebas gulisx-

mobT?

_ ara, sabWoTa kavSirs, sadac,

erTi mxriv, maRali socialuri

daculoba iyo da infrastruqturac

ganviTarebuli gaxldaT,

magram, meore mxriv, wina planze

adamiani ar iyo wamoweuli. rac

Seexeba „nacionaluri moZraobis”

mmarTvelobas, im dros gzebi

keTdeboda da saxelmwifo institutebic

Sendeboda, magram adamiani

maSinac ukana planze idga.

mokled, yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare,

savsebiT normaluria,

rom „SaqaraSvilis saqmem” yvela

sxva sakiTxi gverdze gadaswia da

pirvel planze adamiani wamovida.

es ki, rogorc giTxariT,

politikaa.

_ sxvaTa Soris, „ocnebaSi”

amboben, 19 wlis fexburTelis

mkvleloba Cveulebrivi krimi-

nalia da calkeuli jgufebi

politikuri miznebisTvis ar

unda iyenebdneno...

_ aseTi gancxadebebi sxvadasxva

xelisuflebisa da xelisuflebebSi

myofi sxvadasxva adamianis

mier ramdenjer gvaqvs

mosmenili? hoda, „ocneba” pirveli

araa, romelic amas ambobs da

piradad me arc mikvirs. ubralod,

„ocnebam” unda gaixsenos,

aseTi komentarebis Semdeg misi

winamorbedebis saqme rogor

damTavrda. ise, politikuri spekuklacia

ras niSnavs? Cveulebrivia,

roca politikuri

Zalebi xelisuflebis danaSaulebrivi

Secdomis gamoyenebas

cdiloben da amis gamo xelisufleba

ratom Riziandeba? Tu

unda, rom ase ar iyos, maSin yvelaferi

sworad gaakeTos.

_ batono goCa, xom ar

geCvenebaT, rom SaqaraSvilis

mkvlelobas erTmaneTTan an-

gariSsworebisTvis „ocnebis”

sxvadasxva frTa iyenebs? am versias

arsebobis ufleba imito-

mac aqvs, rom saqmeSi „kawro” da,

zogadad, kriminaluri avtoritetebi

figurireben. cnobil-

ia kaxa kalaZis fraza „Svid sul

qurdze”, aseve kuluarebSi ima-

sac ar malaven, rom kalaZesa da

premiers arcTu kargi urTier-

Toba aqvT da amaze „qronika+”

werda...

_ gamosaricxi araferia da es

Cveulebrivi simptomebia.

_ risi simptomebi?

_ xelisuflebis lpobis! sxva-

Ta Soris, Tavis droze, „nacmoZraobasac”

swored es daemar-

Ta.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ gavixsenoT Tundac „girgvlianis

saqme”... mokled, xelisufleba

mxolod imaze fiqrobs,

rom Zalauflebas moeWidos da,

paralelurad, xalxis mier Seqmnili

sikeTeebis Sida gadanawilebiTaa

dakavebuli. es kidev

erTi niSania, rom „ocneba” xelisuflebidan

namdvilad midis,

anu „ocnebam”, rogorc xelisuflebam,

sakuTari Tavi amowura

da SigniT iseTi procesebia dawyebuli,

romelic bolos mouRebs

da daamTavrebs mas! sxvaTa

Soris, „SaqaraSvilis saqmeze”

xSirad iseTi informaciebi vrceldeba,

romelic aSkarad

struqturebidanaa gamosuli,

Tumca xelisuflebaSi patiosani

adamianebic arian, romlebic ma-

Sin, roca lpoba iwyeba, moqmedebas

iwyeben da esec Cveulebrivia,

anu patiosani adamianebi ver

itanen, roca saxelmwifo maT

garkveuli politikuri Tu korufciuli

miznebisTvis iyenebs!

ise, korufcia maincdamainc fulis

aRebas ar niSnavs. isic korufciaa,

roca simarTles garkveuli

jgufebis interesebidan

gamomdinare xels afareb!

_ Tqveni informaciiT, „ocnebis”

romeli jgufebi ebrZvi-

goCa jojua:

àm saxelmwifoSi

Tuki Zalaufleba

gaqvs, maSin

aucileblad

marTali xar~

an erTmaneTs?

_ saubari mxolod kalaZisa da

gaxarias jgufebze araa. yvelaferi

ufro Rrmad midis da

SeiZleba, kidev ufro CaiSalos.

_ anu?

_ Tundac am or dajgufebaSi

raRac qveinteresebic arsebobs,

romelic, rogorc giTxariT,

xalxis mier Seqmnili sikeTeebis

gadanawilebas ukavSirdeba. am

qveyanaSi saxelmwifo saqmeebi

didi xania, daviwyebulia da mxolod

imaze arian gadasulebi,

rom garkveuli mdgomareoba da

socialuri statusi rogorme

SeinarCunon da sazogadoebis

mier Seqmnil dovlaTze rac Sei-

Zleba didxans miuwvdebodeT

xeli! sxvaTa Soris, yvelafer

amas pirveli piric aRiarebs.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, Tavad Tqva,

biznesmenebi davsxi da davelaparakeo.

anu am saxelmwifoSi

Tuki Zalaufleba gaqvs, maSin

aucileblad marTali xar. sima-

`SaqaraSvilis saqmeze~ xSirad iseTi

informaciebi vrceldeba, romelic aSkarad

struqturebidanaa gamosuli, Tumca

xelisuflebaSi patiosani adamianebic arian,

romlebic maSin, roca lpoba iwyeba,

moqmedebas iwyeben da esec Cveulebrivia, anu

patiosani adamianebi ver itanen, roca

saxelmwifo maT garkveuli politikuri Tu

korufciuli miznebisTvis iyenebs!~

rTle da morali ki xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebs naklebad

awuxebT!

_ e. i., „ocneba” or frontze

ibrZvis, anu opoziciis dasamarebasac

cdilobs da Sida ome-

bic aqvs, ara?

_ aq mxolod xelisuflebaze

araa saubari. interesTa jgufebi

SeiZleba, opoziciaSic arsebobdnen.

_ es rogor?

_ es jgufebi xelisuflebasTan

Sezrdilebi arian... roca

oligarqiaze vsaubrobT, es mxolod

ivaniSvilis oligarqia

araa. cxadia, sawyisi isaa, magram,

sinamdvileSi, saubaria politikaSi

arsebul interesTa jgufebze.

am jgufebidan nawili xelisuflebaSia,

nawili ki _ opoziciaSi.

am interesTa jgufebs naklebad

ainteresebT, politikuri

fasadi rogor Seicvleba,

anu maTTvis mniSvneloba ar aqvs,

xelisuflebaSi romeli politikuri

Zala iqneba, radgan yvela

xelisuflebasTan Sezrdilebi

arian. finansuri nakadebi

swored ase nawildeba. mokled,

es adamianebi yovelTvis komfortis

zonaSi arian.

_ „komfortis zona” ras niS-

navs?

_ ai, Tundac Sida brZolebi,

razedac weRan vsaubrobdiT,

„komfortis zonidan” gamosvlas

ar niSnavs. es brZolebi swored

„komfortis zonis” SenarCunebas

ukavSirdeba. erTi sityviT, xelisufebasa

da opozicias bevri

saerTo aqvs!

_ Cveneburi opozicia Zalian

Wrelia. hoda, damikonkreteT,

opoziciis romel frTas aqvs

xelisuflebasTan saerTo?

_ imas, romelic xelisuflebaSi

iyo, anu saubaria yofili

xelisuflebisgan Seqmnil opoziciur

partiebze. dRevandeli

xelisufleba da es opoziciuri

partiebi erTmaneTisgan sistemurad

ar gansxvavdebian. maTTvis

mTavari Zalauflebaa, raTa finansuri

nakadebi marTon. es ki

tipuri oligarqiaa!

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maxinji sistemis mona da tyvea!~

_ yofili xelisufleba or

nawiladaa gayofili. Tqven „na-

cionalur moZraobaze” svamT

maxvils, batono goCa, Tu „evro-

pul saqarTveloze”?

_ albaT, gaxsovT, „evropuli

saqarTvelo” rogorc Seiqmna.

_ maxsovs, mere?

_ es adamianebi mudmivad

portirdebian... yvelaferi,

rasac vxedavT, aisbergis Tavia,

Torem is, rac wyalqveS xdeba,

calke Temaa.

_ raze mianiSnebT?

_ es veeberTela finansuri

sivrcea, romelsac adamianebi

politikaSi xan mohyavs, xan _

mihyavs. sxvaTa Soris, nebismier

dainteresebul adamians Seu-

Zlia, advilad naxos, tendereb-

Si visi kompaniebi imarjveben.

amis gakeTeba saxelmwifos xelSewyobis

gareSe SeuZlebelia

da amas Tavadac aRiareben. ai, magaliTad,

gvaxsovs xazaraZis

gancxadebebi, Tumca es mxolod

mas ki ara, yvela im finansur

jgufs exeba, romelsac saxelmwifom

komfortuli situacia

Seuqmna. es karteluri jgufebia,

romlebic yovelgvar kontrols

miRma arian, anu yvela msxvili

kompania cdilobs, rom saxelmwifos

Seezardos da saxelmwifo

sikeTeebi, rac sinamdvileSi

xalxs ekuTvnis, masTan gaiyos.

sanam sistema ar Seicvleba, mudmivad

am situaciaSi viqnebiT da

sistematurad vxedavT, am piramidis

Semadgeneli Cinovnikebi

sakuTar gavlenebs rogor icaven!

_ batono goCa, ra amis pasuxia

da, ramdenime dRis win premierma,

praqtikulad, daadastura,

rom biZina ivaniSvili „oc-

nebis” saarCevno siaSi iqneba. es

ivaniSvilis morgi triukia?

_ xom gaxsovT, nodar dumba-

Zis „kukaraCaSia”, _ murtalo,

dagiZvelda triukebio! ra mniSvneloba

aqvs, „ocnebam” Tavisi

waqceuli falavani gind Seitanos

da gind _ gamoitanos. mefe

SiSvelia! yvelam yvelaferi

Zalian kargad viciT... ise, simarTle

rom vTqvaT, damoukidebel

figurad kalaZis moazreba

ufro SeiZleba.

_ ki batono, magram sxva ram

gkiTxeT, anu Tu saarCevno siis

pirveli nomeri iqneba, amiT

ivaniSvili, romelic fiqrobs,

rom sazogadoebis Warbi ndoba

isev aqvs, „ocnebisTvis” „maSveli

rgolis” funqciis Sesrule-

bas kidev erTxel Seecdeba?

_ vfiqrob, ivaniSvils aRar

hgonia, rom sazogadoebis Warbi

ndoba aqvs, miT umetes, mas Semdeg,

rac saprezidento arCevnebis

meore turis dros piroba dado,

erT weliwadSi yvelafers

Sevcvlio da detalurad CamoTvala,

ras gaakeTebda. am adamians

maSin utifroba eyo, rom xalxisTvis

miemarTa da eTqva, bolo

Sansi momeciTo. xalxma bolo

Sansi misca, radgan sazogadoebis

garkveul nawils egona, rom

`mTeli sazogadoeba SaqaraSvilis saqmeze laparakobs da es adamianic xom am

qveyanaSi cxovrobs? gasagebia, rom Sexeba viwro wresTan aqvs, magram am

Temis ignorirebas misi televiziebic ver axerxeben. ase rom, am kuTxiT ra

situaciacaa, Zalian kargad icis, magram Tavis mierve Seqmnili maxinji

instituciis mona da tyvea!~

saprezidento arCevnebSi grigol

vaSaZis gamarjveba xelisuflebaSi

„nacionaluri moZraobis”

mobrunebas niSnavda, magram

es „bolo Sansi” „posles posle”

aRmoCnda.

_ anu?

_ roca adamians fuli ar aqvs,

maRaziidan produqtebi nisiad,

anu „posleze” moaqvs da gamyidvels

eubneba, mere gadagixdio.

arCevnebis dros ivaniSvilisgan

gacemuli „bolo Sansi” aseTi

„posle” iyo. axla ki, Tu „ocnebis”

saarCevno siaSi iqneba, saxeze

„posles posle” gveqneba.

_ e. i., „ocnebas” ivaniSvilic

veRar gadaarCens?

_ rasakvirvelia, ver gadaar-

Cens! ivaniSvili gemis is kapitania,

romelic aqamde portSi

ijda, Tumca mis gareSe erTi

nabijic ar gadadgmula. Sesabamisad,

imis Tqma, rom man TiTqos

araferi icoda, ar SeiZleba da

misive saubrebidan Cans, rom yvela

mniSvnelovan ambavSi CarTulia

da nebismier saWirboroto

sakiTxs araformalurad wyvets.

swored aman daRupa, anu is,

rogorc politikosi, ver Camoyalibda

da misi pirovnuli tragediac

swored es aris, rom egona,

aseTi formiT warmatebas miaRwevda,

Torem ar vfiqrob, rom

ivaniSvils undoda, aseTi gaubedurebuli

qveyana migveRo. ubralod,

Tavidanve egona, rom Tu

marTvis yvela sadaves xelSi

Caigdebda, aseTi patara da mcire

ekonomikis qveynis marTva Zalian

advili iqneboda, anu mas saxelmwifos

marTva ver warmoedgina.

ivaniSvili romelime pirovnebas

`vfiqrob, ivaniSvils aRar hgonia, rom

sazogadoebis Warbi ndoba aqvs, miT umetes,

mas Semdeg, rac saprezidento arCevnebis

meore turis dros piroba dado, erT

weliwadSi yvelafers Sevcvlio da

detalurad CamoTvala, ras gaakeTebda. am

adamians maSin utifroba eyo, rom xalxisTvis

miemarTa da eTqva, bolo Sansi momeciTo.

xalxma bolo Sansi misca, radgan

sazogadoebis garkveul nawils egona, rom

saprezidento arCevnebSi grigol vaSaZis

gamarjveba xelisuflebaSi `nacionaluri

moZraobis~ mobrunebas niSnavda, magram es

`bolo Sansi~ `posles posle~ aRmoCnda~

ki ara, saxelmwifo institucias

ebrZvis!

_ batono goCa, ambobT, rom

yvela sakiTxi ivaniSvilTan

lagdeba. e. i., „SaqaraSvilis saq-

mis” „gasufTavebac” masTanaa

SeTanxmebuli?

_ mTeli sazogadoeba SaqaraSvilis

saqmeze laparakobs da es

adamianic xom am qveyanaSi cxovrobs?

gasagebia, rom Sexeba

viwro wresTan aqvs, magram am

Temis ignorirebas misi televiziebic

ver axerxeben. ase rom, am

kuTxiT ra situaciacaa, Zalian

kargad icis, magram Tavis mierve

Seqmnili maxinji instituciis

mona da tyvea!

_ batono goCa, kidev erTi

sakiTxi, romelzedac minda vi-

saubroT, am Temas ar exeba, anu

rogorc ganacxadeT, saarCevnod

politikur moZraoba „tribunasTan”

gegmavT TanamSromlobas,

anu „qristian-demokratiuli

moZraoba” aRar iarsebebs

da daviT WiWinaZis parti-

is wevri gaxdebiT?

_ es forma saarCevno situaciazea

damokidebuli.

_ arCevnebi karsaa momdgari

da, wesiT, ukve Camoyalibebuli

unda iyoT.

_ ki batono, magram kidev bevri

ram Seicvleba.

_ mainc, ra Seicvleba?

_ merwmuneT, dRevandeli vi-

Tarebisgan agvisto sruliad

gansxvavebuli iqneba, anu situacia

yoveldRiurad Seicvleba.

_ ukeTesobisken Tu uareso-

bisken?

_ damZimdeba da yoveli dRe

ki ara, saaTic ki „ocnebas” xelisuflebisgan

aSorebs.

_ es gasagebia, magram „tri-

bunasTan” kolaboracia goCa

jojuas ras miscems an WiWina-

ZisTvis Rirebuli Tqven ratom

xarT?

_ es, pirvel rigSi, ideuri

erTobaa.

_ anu?

_ daTo WiWinaZesTan didi xnis

urTierToba maqvs. is nabijebi,

romelic man gadadga, advili ar

iyo.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ dRes erTaderTi gamosavali

tribunidan tribunalamdea,

anu saxelmwifom mkacri xeli

unda gamoiCinos da sazogadoebas

daanaxos, rom instituciaa,

anu sistema fundamenturad

unda Seicvalos. saxelmwifos

roli da funqcia, Tundac bankebTan

mimarTebiT, unda gaizardos

da, sxvaTa Soris, swored es

xdeba aSS-Sic, sadac Tavisufali

sazogadoeba arsebobs. magram

iqac dadga imis saWiroeba, rom

bankebTan, rogorc saxelmwifos

mterTan brZolaSi, saxelmwifos

roli gaizardos.

_ mokled, Tqveni mTavari

saarCevno, ase vTqvaT, laitmo-

tivi komerciul bankebTan

brZola iqneba?

_ banki mxolod erTi konkretuli

finansuri instituti ar

aris.

_ aba, kidev ra aris?

_ banki saxelmwifosTvis xelis

SemSlelia.

_ es rogor?

_ sabanko sistemaSi saxelmwifos

roli unda gaizardos da am

mxriv sistemuri cvlileba aucilebelia!

„ocneba” da Tundac

„nacionaluri moZraoba” ki swored

am sistemur cvlilebaze ar

saubrobs. yvelafris safuZvel-

Ta safuZveli isaa, Tu rogori

ekonomika gveqneba, anu Tu

Zlieri suverenuli ekonomika ar

gvaqvs, maSin nebismieri Tavisufleba

mxolod qimeraa. marto

ekonomikurad Zlier adamians

SeuZlia, rom cxovrebaSi realuri

Tavisufleba, ase vTqvaT,

gaataros! Cven mokavSireebs

swored am kuTxiT veZebT. saer-

Tod, Tu daakvirdebiT, mTel

msoflioSi faseulobebis fundamenturi

cvlilebebi mimdinareobs

da vinc am kuTxiT

SeiZleba, mokavSire iyos, jerjerobiT,

daviT WiWinaZea.

_ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma-

gram Tqvens gaerTianebas ra

Sansi eqneba, rom arCevnebze

iseT did opoziciur partiebs,

rogorebic „nacionaluri moZ-

raoba” Tu igive „evropuli sa-

qarTveloa”, realuri konku-

rencia gauwios?

_ Cven maTgan gansxvavebulebi

varT!

_ da es gansxvavebuloba riT

gamoixateba?

_ isini sazogadoebas isev im

ekonomikur models sTavazoben,

romelic aqamde iyo, magram faqtia,

rom am modelma CixSi Segviyvana.

Cven ki sazogadoebas

veubnebiT, rom mTavari saxelmwifos

fasadis ki ara, fundamentis

Secvlaa, anu isini mxolod

fasadur da struqturul cvlilebebze

saubroben. arada,

liberaluri mimarTulebebi, sinamdvileSi,

qimeraa. kidev erTxel

gavimeoreb: Tu myari ekonomikuri

fundamenti ar gveqneba,

arc natos vWirdebiT da arc

_ evropas! aseT SemTxvevaSi Cveulebrivi

danamati, anu ufunqcio

saxelmwifo viqnebiT!

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`turizmis gaxsna imden dadebiT Sedegs

ekonomika koronavirusis mZeva-

nene injgia

li gaxda, _ es mocemuloba ukve

lado 591 71 39 98 ramdenime Tvea, grZeldeba da am

etapze prognozis gakeTebac Seu-

Zlebelia. pandemiis pirobebSi msoflio axal realobasTan

Seguebasa da kovid-19-Tan erTad cxovrebas swavlobs,

saqarTvelo ki kvlav inarCunebs „mwvane zonis” statuss.

miuxedavad imisa, rom mTavrobas gacxadebuli hqonda pirve-

li ivlisidan saerTaSoriso turistuli mimosvlis aRdgena,

am etapze aviareisebi kvlav Sewyvetilia.

ramdenad efeqtiani aRmoCnda saqarTvelos mTavrobis

muSaoba pandemiis pirobebSi? Rirs Tu ara turistebis miReba

ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiT? rogor unda upasuxos korona

pandemiis Sedegad miRebul ekonomikur zians qveyanam?

am da sxva mniSvnelovani Teme-

bis Sesaxeb „qronika+~ akademikos

lado papavas esaubreba:

_ batono lado, „qronika+”-

sTan interviuSi Tqven ganacxadeT,

rom ekonomika koronaviru-

sis mZevali gaxda da Sedegebi

mogvianebiT aisaxeboda. aseve gam-

oiyeneT termini koronomika.

dRevandeli mocemulobiT ra zia-

ni moutana pandemiam ekonomikas?

_ mkiTxvels Sevaxseneb, rom

termin koronomikis avtoria ajiT

de alvisi, profesori Sri-lankidan,

romelmac ori sityva _ korona

da ekonomika _ gaaerTiana da,

Sesabamisad, gamovida koronomika,

rac niSnavs ekonomikas koronavirusis

pandemiis pirobebSi. es virusi

advilad vrceldeba adamianidan

adamianze. amitom sanam ar arsebobs

vaqcina da uSualo samkurnalo

preparatebi, am virusis

SesaCereblad mTavari meqanizmi

distanciis dacvaa... magram distanciis

dacva yvela sferoSi ver

moxerxdeba. amitom distanciis

dasacavad erTaderTi meqanizmi

adamianebs Soris kontaqtebis Sez-

Rudvaa, ramac gamoiwvia kidec

ekonomikis gaCereba ara mxolod

saqarTveloSi, aramed msoflios

oras qveyanaSi. es aris globaluri

ekonomikuri krizisi, magram am

krizisis safuZveli ar devs

ekonomikaSi, es krizisi ar dawyebula

ekonomikaSi daSvebuli Secdomebis,

mcdari ekonomikuri

politikis gamo, igi ekonomikaSi

garedanaa Semotanili, radgan pandemiiTaa

gamowveuli. sanam medikosebi,

mikrobiologebi da farmakologebi

ar SeimuSaveben uSualod

koronavirusis mkurnalobis

efeqtian meTodebs, sanam ar Seqmnian

adekvatur vaqcinas, manam es

krizisi ar dasruldeba. dRes

ekonomistebs am ekonomikuri krizisis

daZlevis instrumenti ar

gaaCniaT. amitom krizisis saboloo

Sedegebze saubari SeuZlebelia.

martiv magaliTs moviyvan:

saerTaSoriso savaluto fondma

Tqva, rom saqarTveloSi 2020 wels

ekonomikuri vardna 4% iqneba,

saqarTvelos statistikis erovnuli

saagentos prognozis Tanaxmad

ki _ 5,4%. sxvadasxva eqspertuli

SefasebiT zogi 2%-s, zogic _ 7%-

s ambobs. me arc erT prognozs ar

viziareb martivi mizezis gamo:

ekonomistebma ar viciT, rodis

dasruldeba es yvelaferi, isic ki

ar viciT, iqneba Tu ara meore

talRa da Tu iqneba, ramdenad

Zlieri aRmoCndeba igi. imasac amboben,

rom ama Tu im qveyanaSi ukve

meore talRa daiwyo, Tumca Sesa-

Zlebelia, jer pirveli talRa arc

iyos dasrulebuli. esec ar ician

virusologebma. aqedan gamomdinare,

ekonomikuri Sedegebis Sefaseba

krizisis dasrulebamde

SeuZlebelia. ekonomistebs dRes

mxolod erTi amocana aqvT: mosaxleobasa

da bizness Seumsubuqon

krizisiT gamowveuli Sedegebi,

rom ekonomika, rogorc aseTi, gadarCes.

_ ekonomistebisTvis siaxle

iyo, roca ekonomika virusis mZev-

ali gaxda am pandemiis pirobebSi.

ra gamocdileba daagroveT da ra

gaswavlaT ekonomikuri Tval-

sazrisiT krizisma?

_ am krizisis dasrulebamde

aucileblad gveqneba gasaazrebeli

is, rom misi ganmeorebis safrTxe

maRalia. Tu aris kovid-19,

ar aris gamoricxuli, gaCndes, magaliTad,

kovid-22 an kovid-24.

amitom Cven unda viswavloT cxovreba

da saqmianoba aseTi SezRudvebis

pirobebSi, rac moiTxovs

ekonomikis reorientirebasac, anu

ekonomikis struqturis, miznebis

Secvlas. faqtia, rom mTeli msoflio

moumzadebeli Sexvda am virusis

gavrcelebas. gavixsenoT britaneTis

premier-ministr boris

jonsonis gancxadebebi: „aranairi

SezRudvebi ar iqneba, Camoyalibdeba

joguri imuniteti da problema

moixsnebao”. man koronavirusi

ise aRiqva, rogorc sezonuri

gripi. Sedegad miiRo is, rom, samwuxarod,

Tavadac daemarTa es seni

da qveyanaSic mZime viTareba Seiqmna.

Cvenma mezobelma somxeTmac ar

miiRo Tavidan mkacri zomebi da

vnaxeT, rogorc gavrcelda virusi.

premier-ministri faSiniani

Tavis ojaxTan erTad daavadda

kidec. germaniamac Tavidan araseriozulad

Sexeda situacias, Tumca

Semdeg, roca masobrivad gavrcelda,

procesebs „mouWira xeli”

da sakmaod kargadac marTa, Tan

Zlieri ekonomika aqvs da disciplineburi

eria. saqarTvelo ki

ekonomikurad sustia, mmarTvelobiTi

vertikali Camoyalibebis

procesSia, ekonomika ki turizmze

iyo Camokidebuli, rac Cveni qveynis

ekonomikis „aqilevsis quslia”.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom ekonomika

unda reorientirdes. ekonomistebs

gaqvT konkretuli mode-

li?

_ Cems xedvas gagiziarebT, romelic

cnobili ekonomistebis mosazrebebs

efuZneba. vcdilob, ar

CamovrCe am publikaciebs, magram

rasac vambob, es sulac ar aris

axali. kerZod, koronavirusi romc

ar yofiliyo, es mainc unda gagvekeTebina.

Cvennairi bunebrivklimaturi

pirobebis mqone qveyanaSi

SimSilis problema rom arsebobs,

es danaSaulia! Cveni Sromisunariani

mosaxleobis TiTqmis

naxevari cxovrobs soflad, xolo

soflis meurneobis wili mTlian

ekonomikaSi aris mxolod 8%, anu

papava:

`gagvimarTla,

rom kritikul

situaciaSi

mTavrobis

saTaveSi giorgi

gaxaria idga~

Cveni Sromisunariani mosaxleobis

TiTqmis naxevari Cveni ekonomikis

meaTedze naklebs qmnis. da es maSin,

roca mrewveloba, praqtikulad

ganuviTarebelia. amitom pirvel

rigSi misaxedia erTwliani kulturebi,

rom marcvlovani kulturebis

warmoebis gazrdiT SevamciroT

importze damokidebuleba.

igive exeba mecxoveleobas, mefrinveleobas.

misaxedia es yvelaferi!

imavdroulad, gasaTvaliswinebelia,

rom soflis meurneoba

gvWirdeba imdenad, ramdenadac sasursaTo

usafrTxoebis problema

gadavwyvitoT. Tumca ar SeiZleba,

soflis meurneoba iyos ekonomikis

mTavari mamoZravebeli Zala, radgan

soflis meurneobaSi Seqmnili

damatebuli Rirebuleba Zalian

mcirea. Sedegad, yvela is qveyana

Tu regioni, romelic agrarulia,

imavdroulad, Raribia.

aucilebelia daviwyoT qveynis

ekonomikis industrializacia,

mrewvelobis aRdgena da misi Seqmna

axal teqnologiur safuZvelze.

komunistebis dros saqarTveloSi

130-mde kvebis mrewvelobisa da

sxva gadamumaSavebeli mcire sawarmo

iyo. komunistebis dros namdvilad

ar mivtiri. romel regions

ra nedleuli aqvs, imis mixedviT

unda gadamuSavdes igi adgilzeve.

regionSi, sadac, magaliTad, vaSli

mohyavT, ratom ar SeiZleba iq

mcire zomis sakonservo qarxnis

gaxsna, sadac im regionis mosaxleoba

dasaqmdeba?! amis ganviTareba

SeiZleba. amasTan dakavSirebiT

maxsendeba mTavrobis programa

„awarmoe saqarTveloSi”, magram

misi susti mxarea is, rom fuls

sastumroebzec da sxva turistul

obieqtebzec xarjavs. am programas

„awarmoe saqarTveloSi” hqvia da

ara _ „daasvene saqarTveloSi”.

aseve aucilebelia, strategiulad

SevcvaloT Cveni ekonomika,

anu unda gadavideT misi ganvi-

Tarebis iseT modelze, romelic

msoflioSi ukve 20 welia, popularulia

da romelsac codnaze

dafuZnebuli ekonomika hqvia. am

SemTxvevaSi Seiqmneba Zalian maRali

damatebuli Rirebuleba. es

aris is ekonomika, romelic simdidris

momtania. magaliTad, estoneTi

Cvennairi warsulis mqone

postsabWoTa qveyanaa. gasaTvaliswinebelia,

rom sabWoTa kavSiris

dros mecnierebis TvalsazrisiT

`sanam medikosebi, mikrobiologebi da

farmakologebi ar SeimuSaveben uSualod

koronavirusis mkurnalobis efeqtian

meTodebs, sanam ar Seqmnian adekvatur vaqcinas,

manam es krizisi ar dasruldeba. dRes

ekonomistebs am ekonomikuri krizisis

daZlevis instrumenti ar gaaCniaT~

CamorCenili iyo, dRes ki skaipis

(Skype) samSobloa. sazRvargareT,

saerTaSoriso qsel „globaselis”

momsaxurebas rom viyenebT, aseve

taqsiT momsaxurebis kompania

„boltis” aplikacias _ isinic estonuri

produqtebia. am kompaniebis

Semosavlis nawili estoneTSi

midis. es aris maRalinteleqtualur

Sromaze dafuZnebuli

ekonomika, rac ufro rTuli Sesaqmnelia

da dro dasWirdeba.

_ saqarTvelos magaliTze ram-

denad realuria codnaze dafuZ-

nebuli ekonomikis Seqmna?

_ swrafad ar gakeTdeba, magram

dasawyebia. Tu dRes daviwyebT,

savaraudod, 10 wlis mere gveqneba

Sedegi da Tu 5 wlis Semdeg, maSin

15 wlis mere gveqneba efeqti.

maRalinteleqtualuri Sroma

da inteleqtualuri produqtebis

Seqmna swored mecnierebaSia Sesa-

Zlebeli, mecniereba ki CvenTan,

praqtikulad, uyuradRebodaa mitovebuli.

amitom axalgazrdebi

Tu mecnierebiT interesdebian,

sazRvargareT midian, Cvens qveyanaSi

ar rCebian, radgan aq perspeqtiva

mcirea. Sesabamisad, qveyanaSi

ganaTlebisa da mecnierebis sistemis

gaazreba unda daviwyoT mecnierebiT,

rasac unda mohyves sauniversiteto,

profesiuli da saskolo

ganaTlebis sistemis srulyofa.

universitetebi damokidebuli

arian studentis mier motanil

fulze an grantiT, an „jibiT”.

roca cudi studenti gyavs, maqsimalurad

cdilob, ar garicxo,

radgan universitets fuli daakldeba.

aqcenti keTdeba fulze da

ara swavlebis xarisxze. arcTu

didi xnis win gaxldiT ivane javaxiSvilis

saxelobis Tbilisis saxelmwifo

universitetis reqtori.

Cven gvyavda studentebis maqsimaluri

raodenoba _ 22 aTasi.

rogorc reqtors, xSirad ganmicxadebia,

_ Cven rom gvyoloda 17

aTasi studenti, Tvisebrivad gavaumjobesdebdiT

swavlebis xarisxs,

magram 11 milion larze mets

dakargavda universiteti, rac saarsebod

sWirdeba. maSasadame, aucilebelia,

rom saxelmwifo universitetebi

unda gadavidnen sabiujeto

dafinansebaze. unda Seicvalos

profesiuli ganaTleba da, Sesabamisad,

saskolo ganaTleba.

garda amisa, gasaTvaliswinebelia,

rom koronavirusis gamo bevr

cnobil kompanias Tavisi qarxnebi

gaaqvs CineTidan. dadga sakiTxi

imis Sesaxeb, SesaZlebeli Tu ara

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ar mogvcems, ramdenadac risks gazrdis~

`SedegebiT unda vimsjeloT: mniSvnelovani dadebiTi Sedegebi daido da

gagvimarTla, rom am kritikul situaciaSi saqarTvelos mTavrobas batoni

giorgi gaxaria edga saTaveSi, romelsac kargi mmarTvelobiTi unarebi

aRmoaCnda. rac Seexeba mis mier gadadgmul nabijebs, Cven ver SevafasebT,

ramdenad swori iyo es nabijebi, radganac aravin icis, ra aris swori, maSin

roca saqme gaqvs amoucnob fenomenTan~

N15 (317) 14.07-20.07.2020 w.

ramdenime qarxnis axal lokaciad

saqarTvelos ganxilva? principSi,

es SeiZleba, radgan saqarTvelos

erTdroulad aqvs CineTTan da

evrokavSirTan Tavisufali vaWrobis

reJimi. Tan saqarTvelo geogrfiulad

CineTsa da evrokavSirs

Sorisaa. lokaciac da xelSekrulebebic

gviwyobs xels. region-

Si saqarTvelo erTaderTi qveynaa,

romelsac es xelSekrulebebi aqvs

gaformebuli. aRsaniSnavia isic,

rom CineTsa da evrokavSirs Soris

uaxloes momavalSi arc ganixileba

Tavisufali vaWrobis SeTanxmebis

arseboba.

Tu CineTidan gadmotanili

qarxana CvenTan aSendeba, im problemis

winaSe davdgebiT, rasac

kvalificiuri muSaxelis ararseboba

hqvia. dasavleT saqarTvelo-

Si rkinigza rom gahyavT, qarTvelebTan

erTad CineTidan Camoyvanili

muSaxeli muSaobs, radgan yvela

kvalifikaciis inJineri da muSa

ar gvyavs. amitomac problemis aRmofxvra

ganaTlebidan unda daviwyoT.

Tu qarxana aSenda da muSaxeli

Semoiyvanes, saqarTvelos ekonomika

gaizrdeba, Tumca es ar iqneba

inkluziuri, rac niSnavs imas,

rom ekonomikis zrdiT gamowveul

Sedegebs mosaxleoba ver igrZnobs.

mosaxleoba ekonomikuri zrdis

Sedegebs maSin grZnobs, roca Tvi-

Ton aris procesSi CarTuli da

ekonomikis zrdis kvalobaze is

met Semosavals iRebs. gavixsenoT,

rom quTaisSi Cinelebi apirebdnen

eleqtromobilebis qarxnis aSenebas.

am Temis Sesaxeb didi xania,

araferi gvsmenia da es aucileblad

gansaaxlebelia, radgan Cinuri

eleqtromobilebis potenciuri

bazari evrokavSiri iqneba, magram

am qarxanaSi Tavidan TanamoqalaqeTa

mcire raodenoba dasaqmdeba.

amitomac Cveni midgomebis

Secvlaa aucilebeli.

amavdroulad, saqarTvelos

sWirdeba turizmi _ es aris Cveni

savizito baraTi, magram turizmi

ekonomikis mTavari dargi ar unda

iyos. SarSan „biZia” putini gagvibrazda

da rusi turistebis Semosvla

saqarTveloSi SezRuda, wels

koronavirusma Semogvitia da es

isev uaryofiTad aisaxa Cvens

ekonomikaze, amitom turizmi ver

iqneba qveynis ekonomikis ZiriTadi

da, Tanac, stabiluri sayrdeni.

_ rogor SeafasebT mTavrobis

muSaobas pandemiis pirobebSi?

ramdenad efeqtiani aRmoCnda an-

tikrizisuli gegma?

_ mTavrobis muSaobas, giorgi

gaxarias xelmZRvanelobiT, mxolod

dadebiTad vafaseb. medikosebma

bolomde ar ician, rasTan

gvaqvs saqme; ekonomistebs krizisis

daZlevis instrumenti ar gaaCniaT,

radgan krizisi medicinazea mibmuli;

msoflio jandacvis organizacia

zust rekomendaciebs ver iZleva.

amis fonze, msoflios arc er-

Tma qveyanam ar icoda, ra gaekeTebina.

Cvens samezobloSic, _ TurqeTSi,

somxeTSi, azerbaijansa da

ruseTSic, _ yvelgan mZime mdgomareobaa.

amis fonze, saqarTvelos

mTavrobam batoni giorgi gaxarias

xelmZRvanelobiT yuri daugdo epidemiologebs,

virusologebsa da

infeqcionistebs. yvela is qveyana,

romelmac ekonomikas misca upiratesoba

da aseTi qveynebi bevria,

Cvenze uares mdgomareobaSi Cavardnen.

somxeTSi TiTqmis 30 aTasi inficirebulia,

maSin roca CvenTan

jer aTasic ar aris. amitom roca

ar ici, rasTan gaqvs saqme, yovel-

Tvis frTxilad unda imoqmedo. gavixsenoT,

Tavidan saqarTvelos

mTavrobam aviamimosvla akrZala

CineTTan, iranTan, Semdeg italiasTan,

etapobrivad Semohqonda

SezRudvebi. raRac periodis ganmavlobaSi

mxolod sasursaTo ma-

Raziebi da afTiaqebi muSaobda. sazogadoebrivi

transportic ki

gaCerda, regionebis nawili Caiketa

da am mizniT jaric ki gamoiyenes,

sazRvari maqsimalurad

kontroldeboda. Cveni moqalaqeebi

dabrundnen sazRvargareTidan

da orkvirian karantinSi 4-5-varskvlavian

sastumroSi imyofebodnen,

romelsac saxelmwifo afinansebda.

Tan saqarTvelos ekonomika

sustad ganviTarebulia. amitom

premier-ministrisa da mTlianad

mTavrobis saqmianobas dadebiTad

vafaseb. faqtebze dayrdnobiT vambob

amas: evrokavSirma gadawyvetileba

miiRo 15 qveyanaSi frenebis

aRdgenis Sesaxeb da postsabWo-

Ta sivrcidan, araevrokavSiris

wevri qveynebidan, mxolod saqarTvelo

moxvda am siaSi. amitom SedegebiT

unda vimsjeloT: mniSvnelovani

dadebiTi Sedegebi daido da

gagvimarTla, rom am kritikul situaciaSi

saqarTvelos mTavrobas

batoni giorgi gaxaria edga saTaveSi,

romelsac kargi mmarTvelobiTi

unarebi aRmoaCnda. rac Seexeba

mis mier gadadgmul nabijebs,

Cven ver SevafasebT, ramdenad swori

iyo es nabijebi, radganac aravin

icis, ra aris swori, maSin roca

saqme gaqvs amoucnob fenomenTan.

am pirobebSi imaze saubari, Tu

romeli modelia swori _ qarTuli,

Sveduri, britanuli Tu somxuri,

jerjerobiT, ver vityviT.

mxolod SedegebiT unda gavake-

ToT daskvnebi. adamianis sicocxlisa

da jandacvis TvalsazrisiT

saqarTvelo yvelaze warmatebuli

qveynebis ricxvSia, anu Cveni mwiri

resursi sworad gamoviyeneT.

_ Tqven axseneT aviamimosvlis

`gaxldiT ivane javaxiSvilis saxelobis

Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetis reqtori.

Cven gvyavda studentebis maqsimaluri

raodenoba - 22 aTasi. rogorc reqtors,

xSirad ganmicxadebia, - Cven rom gvyoloda 17

aTasi studenti, Tvisebrivad

gavaumjobesdebdiT swavlebis xarisxs, magram 11

milion larze mets dakargavda universiteti,

rac saarsebod sWirdeba. maSasadame,

aucilebelia, rom saxelmwifo universitetebi

unda gadavidnen sabiujeto dafinansebaze. unda

Seicvalos profesiuli ganaTleba da,

Sesabamisad, saskolo ganaTleba~

aRdgena. saqarTvelos aqvs „mwvane

zonis” statusi da SeuZlia aRadginos

frenebi, Tumca xelisu-

fleba Tavs ikavebs. ramdenad swo-

ria es ekonomikuri Tvalsazr-

isiT?

_ turistuli sezoni isedac

Cavardnilia. im qveynebSi, saidanac

turistebi unda Camovidnen,

ekonomika gaCerebulia. CvenTan

turistebi, ZiriTadad, ruseTidan,

azerbaijanidan da somxeTidan Camodiodnen,

romlebTanac sazRvrebis

gaxsna gamousworebeli Secdoma

iqneba. ramdenime dRis win wavikiTxe

finansTa ministr vano maWavarianis

mosazreba, rom turistebis

SemosvliT epidemiuri viTarebis

gauaresebis imdenad maRali

riskebia, rom ar gviRirso, _ veTanxmebi!!!

turizmis gaxsna imden

Sedegs ar mogvcems, ramdenadac

risks gazrdis. es riski ki xarjiania

da ar aris gamarTlebuli.

_ am yvelafris paralelurad

gaizarda sagareo vali, es ra

riskebis Semcvelia da opozicia

xSirad apelirebs am Temaze. ramdenad

gamarTlebulia maTi Se-

fasebebi?

_ zustad imitom, rom qveyana

epidemiuri procesebis marTvis

TvalsazrisiT warmatebuli aRmoCnda,

saqarTvelos SeRavaTiani

sesxiT da grantiT sargeblobis

SesaZlebloba mieca. jamurad, es

Tanxa 3,5 miliardi dolaria, rac

Zalian didia mcire saqarTvelos-

Tvis. mniSvnelovania, rom Cven es

Tanxa mogvces, raTa „mwvane zonis”

statusi SevinarCunoT. damoukideblad

es resursebi ar gvqonda,

Tanac biujetis saSemosavlo nawili

1 miliard 800 milioniT Semcirda.

rac Seexeba opozicias,

swored maT ar aqvT xma amosaRebi:

2008 wlis aprilSi naxevari miliardi

dolaris evroobligaciiT

sesxi risTvis aiRes?! axla ki imisTvis

aviReT, rom mosaxleobasac

da biznessac davexmaroT. ramden

xans gastans es krizisi, aravin icis.

sanam ar iqneba vaqcina da mkurnalobis

efeqtiani gzebi, ekonomikaSi

arsebiTad araferi Seicvleba.

ase rom, sagareo valis aReba

CemTvis gasagebia, miT ufro yvela

is donori, romelic saqarTvelos

gverdiT daudga, am fulis gamoyenebis

siswores gaakontrolebs.

gasaTvaliswinebelia, rom naxevar

miliardamde dolari erovnul

banks mieca, radgan gacvliTi kursis

stabiluroba SenarCundes. ase

rom, yvelaferi miznobrivia.

opozicia imisTvis arsebobs,

rom mTavroba akritikos. Tumca

aris zneobrivi faqtorebi, romelic

mizanSewonilia, daculi iyos.

arcTu iSviaTad opozicia SeiZleba

sworad akritikebdes xelisuflebas,

magram yovelTvis unda

gvaxsovdes, rom roca opozicia

raime sakiTxSi akritikebs xelisuflebas,

Tavad ramdenad aqvs amis

moraluri ufleba? axla, roca

opozicia akritikebs mTavrobas

imaSi, rom ar Secvala esa Tu is

sistema, romelic opoziciis mieraa

Seqmnili, ismis kiTxva, _ ratom

Seqmnes aseTi sistema an xelisuflebaSi

rom darCeniliyvnen, Secvlidnen?!

jer opoziciaSi arian, xelisuflebaSi

ar mosulan da ramden

agresiasa da muqaras gamoxataven.

metic, siebsac adgendnen, xelisuflebaSi

rom movidodnen, vis

daiWerdnen. Tu maT Tavisnairi

agresiuli amomrCeveli ar hyavT,

normaluri adamiani xmas ratom

miscems? me „qarTuli ocneba” sxvadasxva

mizezTa gamo xSiradac

gamikritikebia, magram es mizezebi

ver Seedreba im borotebas, rac „nacionaluri

moZraobis” xelisuflebaSi

yofnisas xdeboda. dRevandeli

mdgomareobiT „nacionaluri

moZraobisa” da misi satelitebis

garda ver vxedav iseT politikur

Zalas, romelsac moqmedi xelisuflebis

Canacvleba SeuZlia.

„nacionaluri moZraobis” gamarjveba

ki niSnavs, saakaSvilis saqarTveloSi

dabrunebas, bokeriasa

da merabiSvilis agresiulobis realobaSi

gadatanas. gaviareT es da

aRar gvinda! miuxedavad im Secdomebisa,

romelic „qarTulma ocnebam”

Tavisi mmarTvelobis 8-wlian

periodSi dauSva, es namdvilad

ar aris im masStabis, rac ukve vnaxeT

„nacionaluri moZraobis” 9-

wliani mmarTvelobisas. Tu „qarTul

ocnebas” aqvs seriozuli xarvezebi,

„nacionaluri moZraoba”, ubralod,

saSiSia. xval rom arCevnebi

tardebodes, „qarTuli ocneba” sakmao

upiratesobiT gaimarjvebs.

_ koronavirusi „qarTuli oc-

nebisTvis” yvelaze momgebiani

partniori aRmoCnda? rogorc

opozicia acxadebs, am Temas iy-

enebs Tu ara mmarTveli gundi

Tavis sasargeblod?

_ koronavirusi specialurad

ar daumTxveviaT saarCevno periodisTvis,

es ar SeukveTavs arc bi-

Zina ivaniSvils an Tundac donald

tramps, romelsac aseve 2020 wels

aqvs arCevnebi. epidemia aravis

„ekiTxeba”, rodis gaCndeba... Cven ki

saarCevno vadebi konstituciurad

gvaqvs gansazRvruli.

mTavroba, romelmac warmatebulad

gaarTva Tavi pandemias, or

frontze moqmedebs: erTze asrulebs

Tavis saqmianobas, rac evaleba,

rogorc mTavrobas da meoreze

unda, rom arCevnebi moigos.

yvela mTavroba ase iqceva, oRond

zogi amas Tavs abams, zogi ki _ ver.

giorgi gaxarias mTavrobas krizisul

viTarebaSi qveynis marTvis

unari aRmoaCnda. Tu arCevnebamde

darCenil periodSi b-ni gaxarias

mTavroba raime seriozul Secdomas

ar dauSvebs, sakmaod realuri

Sansi aqvs arCevnebis mosagebad. im

SemTxvevaSic, Tu arCevnebis Semdeg

„qarTul ocnebas” dasWirdeba koaliciuri

mTavrobis Seqmna, saparlamento

respublikaSi am kulturis

ganviTarebas, mxolod da

mxolod, mivesalmebi.

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opoziciis didi nawili darwmu-

Sorena marsagiSvili

nebulia, rom Semodgomaze „qarTu-

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li ocneba” arCevnebSi marcxs ganicdis.

mmarTveli partiis damarcxebis

survili leiboristuli partiis wevr giorgi giuaSvil-

sac aqvs, magram opoziciis sayovelTao aRtacebas ar iziarebs.

misi TqmiT, opozicia naadrevad zeimobs gamarjvebas. giuaSvils

did imeds arc sanqciebis Tema aZlevs. misi azriT, biZina ivaniS-

vili yelafers gaakeTebs, rom Zalaufleba SeinarCunos.

ratom ver daaxevinebs ukan

sanqciebi „qarTuli ocnebis”

liders? ra Secdomebs uSvebs

opozicia? ra procesebi midis

mmarTvel partiaSi? ra Worebs

uvrceleben erTmaneTs „qarTuli

ocnebis” wevrebi? ra Sedegis

miRweva SeuZlia opozi-

cias arCevnebze? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb giorgi giuaSvili

„qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ batono giorgi, aSS-m ukve

Riad Tqva, rom saqarTvelos

winaaRmdeg sanqciebs gamoiyenebs,

Tu aq procesebi demok-

ratiulad ar ganviTardeba.

Tqveni kolegebi opoziciidan

fiqroben, rom es „qarTul oc-

nebasa” da biZina ivaniSvils

arCevnebis gayalbebaSi xels

SeuSlis.

_ sanqciebis Tema Semakavebeli

iqneba, magram es faqtori

ivaniSvils ganzraxvis sisrule-

Si moyvanaze xels ver aaRebinebs.

me arc imas gamovricxav,

rom biZina ivaniSvili yvelafers

akeTebdes saimisod,

raTa Cveni qveynisTvis sanqciebi

dawesdes.

_ risTvis sWirdeba ivaniS-

vils es?

_ dasavleTTan urTierTobis

gasafuWeblad. ruseTi didi

xania cdilobs, rom saqarTvelom

dasavleTs zurgi aqcios.

_ saintereso versiaa, magram

ras gaakeTebs ivaniSvili, Tuki

mis qonebas daayadaReben? esec

mis interesebSia?

_ dRes bevri saubrobs, rom

amerika piradad ivaniSvils dauwesebs

sanqciebs. am Temaze saubari

cota populizmi mgonia.

piradi qonebis dayadaReba sakmaod

rTuli gansaxorcielebelia.

_ rTulia, magram ara _ Seu-

Zlebeli. dasavleTs araerTi

oligarqisTvis dauyadaRebia

qoneba.

_ ivaniSvilis qonebis dayadaRebaze

uars imitom ki ar

ityvian, rom misi eridebaT, es

damokidebuli iqneba imaze, Tu

sad aqvs „qarTuli ocnebis”

liders es qoneba. ramdenadac

viciT, mas amerikaSi qoneba naklebad

aqvs. amerika mis qonebas

sxva teritoriaze ver gayinavs,

maT Soris, evropaSi, ruseTze

aRarafers vambob.

_ evropac kritikulad aris

ganwyobili Cveni xelisufleb-

is mimarT da SesaZloa, maTac

dauWiron mxari sanqciebis

dawesebas.

_ evropac Tu gadawyvets

ivaniSvilis dasjas, maSin Sesa-

Zlebelia evropaSi misi qoneb-

is dayadaReba.

_ zemoT TqviT, rom ivaniSvils

SesaZloa, undodes kidevac,

rom dasavleTma saqarTve-

los sanqciebi dauwesos, raTa

dasavleTTan urTierToba gag-

vifuWdes. vTqvaT da Sewyvita

dasavleTma Cveni daxmareba, es

xom seriozul problemebs gamoiwvevs?

xalxis risxvis ar eS-

inia „ocnebis” liders?

_ es Zalian seriozuli Temaa,

amaze eqspertebi da politologebi

unda muSaobdnen. ase-

Ti gadawyvetileba ucbad ar

miiReba. msgavsi scenarebi wlebis

manZilze iwereba. arc is

mgonia SemTxveviTi, rom dasavleTis

kritikis miuxedavad, demokratiis

kuTxiT, saqarTveloSi

winsvla ar aris. ivaniSvili

aranair berkets ar Tmobs,

saSinel da drakonul kanonebs

Rebulobs. mediaSi droebiTi

mmarTvelis daniSvnac ki moindoma

da es sakiTxi gansaxilvelad

parlamentSi Seitanes.

_ sakiTxis ganxilva ki dai-

wyo, magram is ukan gaiwvies.

_ imitom gaiwvia, rom sazogadoebaSi

amas didi protesti

mohyva. mTavaria, xom Seecada,

mis miRebas. amxela protesti

rom ar yofiliyo, uproblemod

miiRebdnen am cvlilebebs.

yvelaferze midis Zalauflebis

SesanarCuneblad. saarCevno

kanonmdeblobaSi araferi

Secvlila. xelisuflebis

xelSi kvlav uamravi berketia.

_ samagierod, xalxis ganwyobaa

Secvlili „qarTuli oc-

nebis” mimarT.

_ xalxis ganwyoba Secvlilia,

magram es did imeds ar ma-

Zlevs. vimeoreb: xelisuflebas

yvela berketi aqvs, rom arCevnebze

sasurveli Sedegi gauformos

sakuTar Tavs.

_ 2012 welsac yvela berketi

hqondaT „nacionalebs”, ma-

gram maSin xalxis ganwyobam

bevri rame, maT Soris, xelisu-

flebac Secvala.

_ 2012 wels ra ganwyobac iyo

xalxSi, iseTi ganwyoba axla ar

aris. verc opozicia dgas im

simaRleze, rogorzedac maSindeli

opozicia idga. maSin „qar-

Tul ocnebaSi” viyavi da es yvelaferi

Zalian kargad maxsovs.

2012 wels opoziciam bevrad

adre daiwyo arCevnebisTvis

mzadeba. axla arCevnebi kars

mogvadga da dRemde ar arian

maJoritarebze SeTanxmebulebi.

_ mag mxriv arc „qarTul

ocnebaSi” aqvT kargad saqme _

verc maJoritarebze Tanxmdebian

da saarCevno siis Sedge-

giorgi giuaSvili:

òcnebis~

wevrebi

ivaniSvilTan

erTmaneTs

abezReben~

nazec didi ambebi midis.

_ Cemi informaciiT, „qarTul

ocnebaSi” saarCevno Temaze

seriozuli klanuri dapirispirebebia.

es klanebi erTmane-

Tis CaCoCebas cdiloben. bi-

ZinasTan abezReben erTmaneTs.

Sidapartiul skandalebs Jurnalistebs

Tavad awvdian.

_ gaixseneT, rom 2012 wels

„qarTul ocnebaSi” viyavio. ma-

Sin Tu warmoidgendiT, rom

rva wlis Semdeg „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebidan gasaS-

vebad mogiwevdaT brZola?

_ 2012 wlis pirvel oqtombers

amas namdvilad ver warmovidgendi.

arCevnebis dasrulebis

Semdeg borjomis gamgeblis

moadgiled daviniSne. am movaleobas

9 Tve vasrulebdi. Semdeg

uSiSroebasTan momiwia datakeba

raRac sakiTxebze da

„ocnebisTvis” miuRebeli gavxdi.

Tanamdebobidan ver mxsnidnen,

adgnen da is posti gaauqmes,

romelic mekava. amasTan dakavSirebiT

sasamarTloSi Sevitane

sarCeli da samive instanciaSi

movige, magram aRdgenas

azri aRar hqonda, ukve sakrebulos

wevri viyavi. „qarTuli

ocnebis” winaaRmdeg rom momiwevda

brZola, amaSi arCevnebis

dasrulebidan mesame dRes davrwmundi,

iseTi raRacebi datrialda

borjomSi. aseTi viTareba

Seiqmna danarCen saqarTveloSic.

_ aseTi ra ambebi datrial-

da?

_ katastrofuli rameebi.

axla SemiZlia giTxraT, rom

2012 wels qveyanaSi moxda orosnebis

revolucia: narkomanebi,

xulignebi da orosnebi daepatronnen

xelisuflebas. borjomis

sakrebulos wevria erTi

tipi „qarTuli ocnebidan”, romlis

vinaobas ar gavamxel da

Tavis droze iciT, ratom daupirispirda

„nacionalur moZraobas”?

_ planis mowevis uflebas

ar aZlevda. aqauri policiis

ufrosi uSlida amaSi xels

da amitom wavida politikaSi.

biZina ivaniSvilma bevri aseTi

adamiani Semoikriba garSemo.

`Cemi informaciiT, `qarTul ocnebaSi~

saarCevno Temaze seriozuli klanuri

dapirispirebebia. es klanebi erTmaneTis

CaCoCebas cdiloben. biZinasTan abezReben

erTmaneTs. Sidapartiul skandalebs

Jurnalistebs Tavad awvdian~

Caigdes xelisufleba xelSi da

mosTxove axla amaT rame. Tqven

kidev gikvirT, premiebsa da

danamatebs rom iweren. borjomis

sakrebulos erT-erTi komitetis

Tavmjdomare, romelsac

uzarmazari xelfasi aqvs,

dazRveviT sargeblobs, am dros

sakrebulosgan kidev 530-

lariani daxmareba moiTxova. amis

Semdeg raze unda vilaparako?!

_ ojaxi xramiao da etyoba,

dasWirda am patiosan kacs dax-

mareba.

_ es ukve maTxovrobaa. imxela

xelfasi rom gaqvs da Tan

dazRveviT sargeblob, damatebiTi

daxmareba ar unda moiTxovo.

_ zemoT miTxariT, rom

dRevandeli opozicia ar dgas

im simaRleze, razedac 2012

wels idga opoziciao. ufro

detalurad gviTxariT, ra gan-

sxvavebaa maT Soris?

_ ar dagimalavT da pirdapir

getyviT, _ dRevandeli opoziciis

qmedebebiT Zalian gulgatexili

var. aSkarad vxedav, rom

opozicia imisTvis ar ibrZvis,

raTa ivaniSvili xelisuflebas

Camoacilos. opozicia Seegua

im azrs, rom „qarTuli ocnebis”

liders am arCevnebze ver

moicilebs. amis miuxedavad,

ukan mainc ar ixeven da brZolas

agrZeleben. oRond ibrZvian

imisTvis, rom parlamentSi

opozicia ufro didi doziT

Sevides. momavali parlamenti

bevrad ufro mravalferovani

iqneba. es varianti opozicias

awyobs. Sevlen parlamentSi,

isev kamerebis win dadgebian,

gamoiyeneben parlaments ruporad

da isev amaT ZiZgilaobas

unda uyuros mosaxleobam. arada,

xalxi daiRala am kinklaobis

yurebiT.

_ opozicia TiTqmis darwmunebulia,

rom ivaniSvilis dam-

arcxebas SeZlebs da tyuis,

roca aseT gancxadebebs

akeTebs?

_ me Cems azrs geubnebiT. vxedav,

rom opozicia ivaniSvilis

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amouvida da _ opoziciac~

moSorebas ver axerxebs da

imazea gadarTuli, rac SeiZleba

meti partia moxvdes parlamentSi.

is cvlilebebi, romlebic

saarCevno kodeqsSi Sevida,

ivaniSvils ver CamoaSorebs

xelisuflebas. „qocebis” damarcxeba

advili ar iqneba, Zalauflebis

SesanarCuneblad yvelafers

ikadreben da araferze

ukan ar daixeven.

_ mainc, ras gaakeTeben?

_ Zalian bevr fuls daxarjaven.

kriminalebs gamoiyeneben

situaciis dasalageblad. am

mizniT CamohyavT qveyanaSi

„kanonieri qurdebi”. seriozuli

cvlilebebi saarCevno kodeqsSi

ar Sesula. yvela berketi

amaT xelSia.

_ dasavleTis zewola ar

daaxevinebs ukan? arCevnebis

Catarebas Zveli sistemiT api-

rebdnen, magram Seacvlevines,

arc politpatimrebis gan-

Tavisufleba undodaT, magram

mouwiaT.

_ dasavleTis zewola raRac

Sedegs aucileblad gamoiRebs,

magram „qarTuli ocneba” Zaladobaze

bolomde ar ityvis

uars.

_ xalxi ras izams? momate-

buli kriminali ar iqoniebs

maTze gavlenas? SaqaraSvilis

mkvlelobam Zalian gaabraza

sazogadoeba.

_ kriminalis TvalsazrisiT

saSineleba xdeba. es sazogadoebas

seriozulad aSfoTebs.

raRac reagireba amaze aucileblad

iqneba. raRac unda Seicvalos,

ase veRar gagrZeldeba.

winasaarCevnod ramdenime

borjomeli kriminali gamouSves

cixidan, maT raRacebi unda

daulagon xelisuflebas. kriminalebze

aranakleb kriminals

sCadian xelisuflebis warmomadgeblebi

_ Riad itaceben

saxelmwifo qonebebs. bakurian-

Si pirdapir miitaces miwebi da

iq betonis junglebis gaSenebas

apireben ivaniSvilis garemocvis

wevrebi. aiSenes agarakebi

da vilebi. ar vici, rogor

unda daibrunos saxelmwifom

Cinovnikebis mier ukanonod

miTvisebuli qoneba.

_ politikuri neba Tu iqna,

Zalian kargadac daibrunebs

saxelmwifo am qonebas ukan.

_ neba Tu iqna, mitacebul

qonebas CamoarTmeven, magram

iqneba es politikuri neba? ra

vici.

_ eWvi geparebaT, rom xelisuflebis

Secvlis SeTxveva-

Si ukanonod mitacebul

qonebas CamoarTmeven?

_ sababi maqvs, rom eWvi Sevitano.

roca „qarTuli ocneba”

xelisuflebis saTaveSi modioda,

yvelas gvegona, rom samarTlianoba

aRdgeboda, magram

sadaa samarTali? damnaSaveebis

dasjis nacvlad kohabitacia

miviReT. naxevari „nacmoZraoba”

gadavida „qocebSi”. dRes

mmarTveli partia portirebul

àr dagimalavT da pirdapir getyviT, - dRevandeli opoziciis qmedebebiT

Zalian gulgatexili var. aSkarad vxedav, rom opozicia imisTvis ar ibrZvis,

raTa ivaniSvili xelisuflebas Camoacilos. opozicia Seegua im azrs, rom

`qarTuli ocnebis~ liders am arCevnebze ver moicilebs~

„nacebze” dgas. is xalxi, viszedac

yvela ubedurebam gadairia,

gverdiT gawies da koduas,

sod-sa Tu axalaias kud-Si namuSevrebi

daawinaures.

_ Zveli Zalovnebi axseneT

da maTi gamorCeuli saxe, vano

merabiSvili, samcxe-javaxeTSi

apirebs maJoritarad kenWisyr-

as. amis gamo Tqveni regioni

seriozuli yuradRebis cen-

trSi iqneba. rogorc amboben,

merabiSvils mand seriozuli

Sansebi aqvs. Tqven ras gvet-

yviT, marTla asea?

_ Cvens regionSi, samcxe-javaxeTSi,

arCevnebze magari „bardagi”

iqneba. biZina aq maJoritarad

im kacis dayenebas apirebs,

romelic mas abasTumanSi raRacebs

uSenebs. vano merabiSvili

eyoleba „nacionalebs”, mamuka

xazaraZesac mouZebnia viRaca.

amaT fonze vano merabiSvili

xalxSi gacilebiT met simpa-

Tias iwvevs.

_ Tqvenc imas fiqrobT, rom

mas arCevnebi mogebuli aqvs?

_ borjomSi cota gauWirdeba.

mis xelqveiTebs aq saSinelebebi

aqvT gakeTebuli. axalcixeSi,

aspinZasa da adigenSi seriozul

xmebs aiRebs.

_ gedi fofxaZe ar apirebs

mand Tavisi kandidaturis dayenebas?

TanamoazreebTan er-

Tad raRac axali partia Seqm-

na da beds ar scdis?

_ gedi fofxaZe borjomSi

dasrulda _ ra partiac ar

unda Seqmnas, mas aq xmas aravin

aRar miscems. rogorc gavige,

es partia samcxe-javaxeTSi

gedi fofxaZis Zmis kandidaturas

daayenebs maJoritarad.

_ Zmisas ratom?

_ aba, Tavad gedi reitingdakargulia

da unda, rom

raRac saxe SeinarCunos. sxva

kandidati ki ar hyavT.

_ gedis Zmas kargi reitingi

aqvs?

_ ara! Zmac gedisnairia. wlebis

manZilze sakrebulosa da

meriaSi muSaobda maRal postebze.

erTnairi gaTqvefili da

`kriminalis TvalsazrisiT saSineleba xdeba.

es sazogadoebas seriozulad aSfoTebs.

raRac reagireba amaze aucileblad iqneba.

raRac unda Seicvalos, ase veRar

gagrZeldeba. winasaarCevnod ramdenime

borjomeli kriminali gamouSves cixidan, maT

raRacebi unda daulagon xelisuflebas~

„Juliki” Zmebi arian. magaTi danaxva

aRarvis unda. amitom vTqvi,

rom yvela sxva kandidatis

fonze merabiSvili ufro simpa-

Tiurad gamoiyureba. amasTan,

masac bevri mowinaaRmdege eyoleba.

rogorc ukve giTxariT,

mis xelqveiTebs borjomSi bevri

sisaZagle aqvT Cadenili.

xalxs es yvelaferi, jer kidev,

kargad axsovs.

_ isev opozicias davubrun-

deT. ras urCevdiT maT, rom im

simaRlze dadgnen, razedac

2012 wels idga opozicia?

Tqven maSin opoziciaSi iyaviT

da gaxsovT es yvelaferi.

_ arCevnebis mogeba bevrad

aris damokidebuli imaze, Tu

rogor Catardeba saarCevno kampania.

opoziciam kardakar unda

daviaroT yvela sofeli,

yvelas saxlis kari unda SevaRoT.

mSvidobianad, magram Zalian

aqtiurad unda vimoqmedoT.

2012 wels opoziciam mTeli qveyana

kardakar moviareT. saarCevno

agitacia umaRles doneze

unda CavataroT, winaaRmdeg

SemTxvevaSi, arCevnebze Zalian

gagviWirdeba. rac ar unda sZuldes

xalxs xelisufleba, xmebi

TavisiT ar mova. saWiroa aqtiuroba.

opoziciam arcerT

darRvevaze ar unda daxuWos

Tvali. yvelze mcire gadacdomac

ki unda gaaprotestos.

saarCevno procesSi aqtiurad

unda monawileobdnen ucxoeli

damkvirveblebi. maTze bevri

ramea damokidebuli. samwuxarod,

SeiZleba, am arCevnebma maT

gareSe Caiaros.

_ ratom?

_ araa gamoricxuli, pandemiis

momizezebiT Caketon saz-

Rvrebi. aseT SemTxvevaSi saqar-

TveloSi ucxoeli damkvirveblebi

veRar Camovlen. didi

albaTobiT, asec moxdeba. da es

yvelaze umtkivneulo ambavi

iqneba.

_ yvelaze umtkivneulo ratom

iqneba, kidev ras elodeb-

iT?

_ aq iseTi ambebi datrialde-

ba, „qarTuli ocneba” Zalauflebis

SesanarCuneblad yvelaferze

wava. amxela Zalauflebas

ase martivad ar daTmoben,

cxovreba aiwyves, uzarmazari

qoneba iSoves da amas aravis

dauTmoben, bolomde ibrZoleben.

_ Tavis droze gvegona, rom

arc „nacionalebi” daTmobdnen,

magram daTmes. maTac bev-

ri rame hqondaT dasakargi.

_ maSin sxva situacia iyo qveyanaSi.

„qarTul ocnebas” serozul

zians miayenebda opoziciis

erToba. axla ki ar vici, ra

iqneba.

_ opoziciuri erToba daiS-

ala?

_ oficialurad ara, magram

viRacebi procesebidan gaiZurwnen.

viRacebi ganze dganan.

ukmayofileba aSkaraa. dRes

opozicia erTiani ar aris da is

verc iqneba erTiani. imdeni adamiania

am erTobaSi da ise gansxvavdebian

erTmaneTisgan, rom

isaa gasakviri, erToba Tu iqneba.

bevr rameze ver SeTanxmdebian.

amas „qarTuli ocneba”

saTavisod gamoiyenebs.

_ tyuilad dasxdnen opozi-

ciaSi erTad?

_ tyulad ara, raRac Sedegs

am erTobam miaRwia. bevris miRweva

SeeZloT, magram amisTvis

Tavidanve sxvanairad unda moqceuliyvnen.

_ sxvanairad rogor?

_ namdvili da mebrZoli

opozicia unda gamoyofiliyo.

maTgan unda Seqmniliyo ZiriTadi

birTvi, danarCeni balasti

ukana planze unda gadaewiaT. am

erTobaSi bevri partia arafers

warmoadgens da maTi wina planze

wamoweva opozicias seriozul

zians ayenebs.

_ ra zians?

_ isini xalxis gaRizianebas

iwveven. umaqnisi aravis unda.

xalxTan kontaqti maqvs da kargad

vici maTi ganwyoba. xalxi

amaT xsenebze ukve ijRaneba.

_ marto opoziciis

xsenebze?

_ „qarTul ocnebazec” ij-

Ranebian da _ opoziciazec. yvela

yelSi amouvidaT da ar ician,

vis miscen xma. erTi meoreze

uaresebi arian. es cud gavlenas

iqoniebs. 2012 wels ivaniSvili

SvelasaviT gamoCnda qar-

Tul politikaSi. axla es faqtoric

aRaraa. „qarTuli ocnebis”

lideris arCeva maSin

bevrs ar undoda, magram mainc

misca xma. yvela xvdeboda, rom

mis gareSe xelisufleba ver

Seicvleboda. maSin qveyanas haeriviT

sWirdeboda es cvlilebebi.

_ cvlilebebi axlac sWirdeba

qveyanas da amas xalxi veR-

ar amCnevs?

_ rogor ar amCnevs, magram

ver xvdeba, Tu visiT unda Secvalos

„qarTuli ocneba”. opoziciaze

guli aqvT gatexili.

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RMG-is oqro da

goCa mircxulava

599 26 83 83

Sida qarTlSi Cemi voiaJis mizani

ramdenime xnis win erTi adgilobrivi

mosaxlis mier gamoTq-

muli guliswyroma iyo: „vi-

wamlebiT, gvspoben, nadgurdeba unikaluri flora da fauna

da amas yuradRebas aravin aqcevs”.

es ar aris simarTle, radgan

Zalian bevrs Tundac saydriszec

hqonda adekvaturi reaqcia. wlebis

winaT kompania GPM-is (jeopromainingi)

(romelic kazreTSi oqros moipovebda),

imJamindel xelmZRvanel

koba nayofias „qorTiard mariotSi”

JurnalistebTan gamarTuli Sexvedrisas

vkiTxe: „rusebi, konkretulad

ki, generalovi, ratom mdidrdebian

qarTuli oqroTi? es Tqven, afxazeTidan

devnils, diskomforts ar

giqmniT?” mipasuxa: „investoris

erovnebaze saubari araeTikurad mimaCnia”.

Cveni „Spilkaoba” garemos

dacvis sakiTxebiT, bunebaze zemoqmedebis

TemiT, TanamSromelTaTvis

adekvatur Sromis pirobebsa da

anazRaurebaze aqcentebiT gagrZelda,

Tumca replikebi: „biujetSi msxvili

Semomtani... Tqven araswori informaciebi

gaqvT... ar iciT...”, imdenad

naTlad warmoaCenda pirdapiri

pasuxebisgan Tavis aridebis mcdelobas,

rom mis warmodgenaSi aSkarad

ver vafasebdi „oqros sidiades”.

cnobisTvis: 1994 wels Seiqmna Sps

„kvarciti”, romelmac daiwyo Zvirfasi

liTonebis, maT Soris, oqros

Semcveli madnis, grovuli gamotutvis

meTodiT damuSaveba. 2005

wels ganxorcielda Sps „kvarcitisa”

da ss „madneulis” privatizacia,

ris Sedegadac maTi mesakuTre gaxda

rusuli kompania „promiSleni investoris”

Svilobili kompania _ „sTen-

Ton iqviTiz qorforeiSens”, romelic

ofSorul zonaSi _ britaneTis

virjiniis kunZulebze iyo registrirebuli.

ss „madneulis” gankargulebaSi

gaxldaT kombinati. amis

Semdeg ss „madneulisa” da Sps

„kvarcitis” aqciebi/wilebi gasxvisda:

2007 wels _ ss „kompania jeopromainingze”,

xolo 2012 wels _ rusul

kompania „kapital jgufze”. sabolood,

Sps „kvarcits” ewoda Sps

„RMG Gold”, xolo ss „madneuls” _ ss

„RMG Copper”.

* * *

simarTle giTxraT, mas Semdeg,

rac 2013 wlis noembrSi saqarTvelos

mecnierebaTa akademiam akademikos

kiazo ficxelaurze dayrdnobiT ganaCeni

gamoutana saydriss da kulturisa

da ZeglTa dacvis ministrebis

guram (mirian) odiSariasa da mixeil

giorgaZis „interesebSi” aSkarad

gamoixata oqros „mxardaWera”, vidre

kulturisa da istoriis (Tundac,

legendis) momgebian biznesad

qceva, yvelaferi naTeli gaxda. axla

ar daviwyeb imaze saubars, vin ra

sargebeli naxa saydrisis afeTqebiT

_ aq ar vgulisxmob mxolod RMG-is

an Tundac biujetSi Setanil solidur

gadasaxadebs, aramed TvaldaxuWul

Tu TvalmoWutul guldaTuTqul

gulSematkivrebsac. faqti

jiutia: adamianebis nawili, Tundac

kompaniaSi dasaqmebulebi, romelTagan

arc erTi xmamaRla ar asaxelebs

sakuTar gvars, Tumca CurCuliT

gamoTqvamen sayvedurebs arsebul

mdgomareobaze _ warmoudgenel

zians ayeneben sakuTar qveyanas. ker-

Zo interesebs konteqstebis doneze

Tavs Tu davanebebT, bizness aqvs

erTi friad sastiki wesi _ iafad

viSovo/vakeTo bevri fuli. saxelmwifos

awyobs biznesis mier naSovni

bevri fuli, radgan es aris soliduri

sabiujeto Semosavali. magram

saxelmwifos aqvs umTavresi valdebuleba

_ sworad gansazRvros prioritetebi

da rac mTavaria, uzrunvelyos

misi moqalaqis konstituciiT

garantirebuli sococxlisa da

janmrTelobis ufleba ara mxolod

lokalur, aramed grZelvadian perspeqtivaSi.

aseve saxelmwifos aqvs

garemos dacvis valdebulebac da

saxelmwifos aqvs valdebuleba...

Tumca ra azri aqvs am valdebulebebis

CamoTvlas, _ es xom isedac

iciT? zemoT vaxsene kulturisa da

istoriis legendad qceva. aba, warmoidgineT,

saTanado argumentebis

safuZvelze, romelic akademikos kiazo

ficxelauris daskvniT Turme ar

arsebula, saydriss Tu oqros mopovebis

arqeologiur meqad vaqcevdiT,

Tundac istoriul perspeqtivaSi

_ 2042 wlis Sedegac ki (am

dromde arsebobs oqros mopovebis

licenciebi), raoden met sargebels

naxavda saxelmwifo? magram CvenTan

prioritetia „axla gamdidreba” da

ara samomavlo _ istoriuli, kulturuli

da ekonomikuri sargebeli...

* * *

mgoni, ar Rirs, aq saqarTveloSi

oqros mopovebis istoriasa da

tradiciebze visaubro da pirdapir

saqmeze gadaval: saqarTvelos sam-

Tomompovebeli saqmianoba da samTomopovebiT

mrewvelobaze damokidebulebis

indeqsi yovelwliurad

izrdeba. bunebrivi resursebis mopovebas

Tan axlavs garemoze uaryofiTi

zemoqmedebis miyeneba, ris

Sesamcirebladac samTomompovebeli

kompaniebisTvis saxelmwifos mier

konkretuli moTxovnebia dawesebuli

(saqarTvelos kanoni garemos

dacvis Sesaxeb, 2017-2018; garemosdacviTi

Sefasebis kodeqsi, 2017-

2018). aRniSnuli moTxovnebi minimaluria,

Tumca konkretuli SemTxvevebi

adasturebs, rom es kompaniebi

am minimalur moTxovnebsac ki ar

asruleben. amas cxadyofs kompaniebis

mier garemosTvis miyenebuli

zianis gamo, garemosdacviTi kanonmdeblobis

darRvevebis Sedegad,

maTze dakisrebuli jarimebis odenoba

(mariam deviZe, „oqros sabadosTan

cxovrebis safasuri: kompania

„aremjis” saqmianobis ekonomikuri

da socialuri gavlenebi mosaxleobaze”).

saqarTveloSi bunebrivi resursebis

yvelaze didi mompovebeli kompaniaa

Rich Metals Group – RMG, romlis

saqmianoba marTalia sakmaod did

mogebas utovebs Tavad kompaniasa da

saxelmwifosac ki, magram udides

socialur da ekonomikur zemoqmedebas

axdens bolnisisa da dmanisis municipalitetebSi

mcxovreb mosaxleobaze:

kerZod, janmrTelobis sakiTxebze,

mosaxleobis ekonomikur

saqmianobaze, soflis meurneobis

mdgomareobaze, dasaqmebaze, mosaxleobis

socialur mdgomareobaze,

garemoze zemoqmedebaze.

diax, saqarTveloSi yvelaze did

samTomopovebiT proeqts ganekuTvneba

kompania „aremjis” mier qvemo

qarTlSi, salicenzio teritoriebze

oqrosa da spilenZis mopoveba.

spilenZis mopoveba aq, jer kidev,

1975 wels daiwyo kompaniis winamorbedma

sawarmo „madneulma”, 1994 wels

ki Camoyalibda oqros mompovebeli

saaqcio sazogadoeba „kvarciti”. 2012

wels orive kompania gadavida

„aremjis” mflobelobaSi da „madneuls”

ewoda „RMG cooper”, xolo

„kvarcits” „RMG gold” (Rich Metals

Group – RMG, 2014-2018), a) „Sps RMG

Gold-is mesakuTrea kerZo SezRuduli

pasuxismgeblobis kompania „Rich

Metals Group B.V.”, registrirebuli

niderlandebSi (wilis 96.21%) da ss

„RMG Copper” (wilis 3.79%); xolo ss

„RMG Copper”-is mflobelebis Sesaxeb

informacia mewarmeTa da arasamewarmeo

iuridiul pirTa reestrSi

warmodgenili ar aris, vinaidan aqciis

mflobelebis Sesaxeb informaciis

sajaroobas saqarTvelos kanonmdebloba

ar uzrunvelyofs” (mwvane

alternativa, 2017, gv. 1). am sakiTxs

qvemoTac Sevexebi _ saintereso personebis

konteqstSi.

ramdenic ar unda imarTlos Tavi

kompaniam, rom igi icavs oqros mopovebis

standartebs, garemoze zemoqmedeba

da miyenebuli ziani aris

udidesi. aRniSnuls adasturebs

saqarTvelos parlamentis garemos

dacvisa da bunebrivi resursebis komitetis

mier samuSao jgufis Seqmna

(saqarTvelos parlamentis garemos

dacvisa da bunebrivi resursebis

komitetis Tavmjdomaris gankarguleba

#7, 2018). marTalia, samuSao

jgufma sakmaod moxerxebulad auara

gverdi kompaniis mier adgilobriv

mosaxleobaze miyenebul uaryofiT

socialur-ekonomikur zemoqmedebas

da mniSvnelovani aqcentebi ar gaakeTa

garemoze uaryofiTi zemoqmedebis

grZelvadian Sedegebze,

Tumca amis miuxedavadac ki isini

iZulebuli gaxdnen, sakmaod soliduri

da kompaniisTvis angariSgasawevi,

adekvaturi gaazrebis SemTxveva-

Si umZimesi daskvna daedoT.

piradad CemTvis Soki iyo, rac

vnaxe _ gadaTxrili karierebi, umowyalod

gaCexili tye, ganadgurebuli

mwvane safari. amas daerTo warmodgena

imis Sesaxeb, Tu ramdeni cxoveeli

da tyis binadari moispo da gadaSenda,

rogor binZurdeba haeri,

amas davamatoT haeris cianidiT

mowamvlis faqtebi, aseve rogor

iwamleba mdinareebi, wylis meSveobiT

sasoflo sameurneo produqtebi

da sabolood, ra ziani adgeba adamians,

ara mxolod adgilobriv mosaxles,

aramed Tundac Tbilisis

mcxovrebs, romelic bazarSi aq moyvanil

produqtebs yidulobs.

saqarTvelos xelisuflebas unda

Sevaxseno, rom evrokavSirTan asocirebis

xelSekrulebis 302-e muxlis

mixedviT: „1. TanamSromloba miznad

isaxavs garemos xarisxis Senar-

Cunebas, dacvas, gaumjobesebasa da

reabilitacias, adamianebis janmrTelobis

dacvas, bunebrivi resursebis

mdgrad gamoyenebasa da saerTa-

Soriso doneze Zalisxmevis xelSewyobas

garemos dacvis regionul an

globalur problemebTan gasamklaveblad,

maT Soris, iseT sferoebSi,

rogorebicaa: ... (f) industriuli

dabinZureba da industriuli safrTxeebi;

da (g) qimiuri nivTierebebis

marTva; 2. TanamSromloba miznad

isaxavs garemos dacvis sakiTxebis integrirebas

ara mxolod garemosdacviT

politikaSi, aramed politikis

sxva sferoebSic” (erTi mxriv,

saqarTvelosa da, meore mxriv,

evrokavSirsa da evropis atomuri

energiis gaerTianebas da maT wevr

saxelmwifoebs Soris asocirebis

Sesaxeb SeTanxmeba, 2014, muxli 302).

asocirebis xelSekrulebis Tanaxmad,

saqarTvelos aRebuli aqvs pasuxismgebloba,

rom qveyanas unda

hqondes saxelmwifo garemosdacviTi

politika, raSic integrirebuli

iqneba proeqtebis ganxorcielebis

arealebSi arsebul dasaxlebebze

negatiuri socialuri zemoqmedebis

Semcireba-aridebis strategiebi.

aq viyoT simarTlesTan axlos (absoluturi

araferi arsebobs da

didad nu gamoidebs Tavs nuravin) da

vaRiaroT isic, rom garemoze zemoqmedebis,

miyenebuli zianis Tema arc

erT wina xelisuflebas anaRvlebda,

metic: 2012 wlis 20 marts saqarTvelos

parlamentma miiRo kanoni, romliTac

saxelmwifom ss „madneulsa”

da Sps „kvarcits” 18 wlis ganmavlobaSi

(1994-2012 wlebSi) miyenebuli

ziani amave kompaniebis „keTili nebis”

safuZvelze 13 milion larad „Seufasa”.

anu am kanonis safuZvelze ss

„madneulma” da Sps „kvarcitma” 2012

wlis 14 maiss mimarTes saqarTvelos

energetikisa da bunebrivi resursebis

ministr aleqsandre xeTagurs

1994 wlis pirveli aprilidan 2012

wlis 14 maisamde periodSi maT mier

Cadenili yvela qmedebis kanonierad

CaTvlisa da kompaniebis yvela saxis

samoqalaqo da administraciuli pasuxismgeblobisgan

ganTavisuflebis

mizniT, 13 milioni laris kompensaciis

sanacvlod SeTanxmebis dadebis

moTxovniT. ministrma sakiTxi

imave dRes ganixila, moiwona da igi

gadaugzavna saqarTvelos premierministr

nika gilaurs, romelmac aseve

imave dRes gamosca aqti SeTanxmebis

dadebis Taobaze. Tavad SeTanxmeba

meore dRes, 2012 wlis 15 maiss,

daido. dadebuli SeTanxmebiT saqarTvelos

energetikisa da bunebrivi

resursebis saministrom ss „madneulsa”

da Sps „kvarcits”, anu RMGs,

apatia 1994 wlis pirveli aprilidan

2012 wlis 14 maisamde periodSi

garemos dacvisa da bunebrivi resursebis

sferoSi Cadenili yvela dar-

Rveva. es imasac gulisxmobda, rom

saxelmwifo im periodisTvis RMG-is

mimarT saxelmwifo kontrolsa da

Semowmebas ver ganaxorcielebda.

saqarTvelos parlamentis mier 2012

wlis 20 marts miRebuli kanonis is

norma, romelic amgvari SeTanxmebis

dadebisa da garemosdacviTi samar-

TaldarRvevebis patiebas iTvaliswinebda,

2013 wlis 10 aprils saqarTvelos

sakonstitucio sasamarTlom

arakonstituciurad cno.

* * *

organizaciam „mwvane politikis

samecniero-kvleviTi platforma”,

2017 wels ganaxorciela kvleviTi

proeqti, bunebrivi resursebis mopovebis

arealTan dabinZurebis kerebis,

dabinZurebis donis, wyalsa Tu

niadagSi mZime nivTierebebis koncentraciis

dasadgenad. 21 sofelSi

aiRes 43 sinji, romelic Semowmda

Semdeg metalebze: spilenZi (Cu), Tu-

Tia (Zn), manganumi (Mn), rkina (Fe),

kadmiumi (Cd), nikeli (Ni), kobalti

(Co) da tyvia (Pb). kvlevam aCvena, rom

mZime metalebiT mniSvnelovnadaa

dabinZurebuli mdinare maSavera da

foladauri. „mdinare maSaveras

SeerTebamde, mdinare kazreTulaSi

kadmiumis koncentracia 10-jer

aRemateba zRvrulad dasaSveb koncentracias,

xolo mdinare kazreTulas

SeerTebidan 300 metrSi,

mdinare maSaveraSi kadmiumis koncentracia

9-jer aWarbebs zRvrulad

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sicocxle sikvdilis fasad

dasaSvebs. mdinare foladauris qveda

welSi, wuRruRaSenTan, kadmiumis

koncentracia zRvrulad dasaSveb

normas 28-jer aWarbebs” (wiqariZe da

sxv., 2017, gv. 26). wylis dabinZurebis

sagangaSo mdgomareobis garda, mwvave

viTarebaa niadagis dabinZurebis

kuTxiTac. miRebulma Sedegebma aCvena,

rom spilenZi, manganumi, kadmiumi

da TuTia sagangaSodaa momatebuli

araerT sofelSi da ara mxolod

kompaniis samuSao arealTan axlos

myof teritoriebze. „sofel ratevanSi

spilenZis Semcveloba zRvrulad

dasaSveb normasTan SedarebiT

gazrdilia saSualod 1300%-iT, Tu-

Tiis 979%-iT, kadmiumisa ki 3760

%-iT. sofel naxidurSi spilenZi

143%-iT, TuTia 379%-iT, kadmiumi

1875%-iTaa gazrdili” (wiqariZe, da

sxv., 2017, gv. 30-31). saydrisis ma-

Raros irgvliv arsebuli soflebis,

anu, ZiriTadad, baliWisa da abulbuqis

savargulebi haeriTac binZurdeba

karierze mimdinare intensiuri

afeTqebebis Sedegad.

garemosdacviTi zedamxedvelobis

departamentma, 2013-2014 wlebis angariSis

mixedviT, kompania „aremjis”

mier garemoze miyenebuli zianis

odenoba finansur maCveneblebSi Semdegnairad

Seafasa: 1) RMG Gold-is

mier miwis dabinZurebisa da degradirebis

kuTxiT garemosaTvis miyenebulma

zianma 29 153 880 lari; 2)

ss RMG Copper-is gamamdidrebeli

sawarmos mier md. kazreTulaSi mJave

karieruli wylis CaRvris Sedegad

garemosTvis miyenebulma zianma 1 078

188 lari Seadgina (garemosdamcveli

zedamxedvelobis departamentis angariSi,

2013-2014 ww.).

sasargeblo wiaRiseulis mopovebis

sferos garemosdacviTi marTvis

efeqtianobis auditis 2018 wlis angariSSi

(gv.5) vkiTxulobT: „garemosdacviTi

pasuxismgeblobis arsebuli

sistema ver uzrunvelyofs dazianebuli

garemos aRdgenas. kerZod,

auditis periodSi garemoze miyenebuli

zianis Sefasebidan generirebuli

Tanxebi ar miimarTeboda miznobrivad

garemos aRdgenis RonisZiebebisaken.

Sesabamisad, arsebuli

praqtika iwvevs imas, rom sasargeblo

wiaRiseulis mopovebis proces-

Si garemoze miyenebuli ziani ar aRmoifxvreba”.

mariam deviZe zemoT dasaxlebul

naSromSi aRniSnavs: _ gamoviTxove

informacia bolnisis municipalitetSi

im daavadebebis incidentobis

Sesaxeb, romelTa ricxvic SesaZloa,

maRali iyos regionSi arsebuli

garemos dabinZurebis Sedegad. am

SemTxvevaSi, dabinZurebasa da daavadebebis

incidentobas Soris mizezSedegobriv

kavSirze saubari Seu-

Zlebelia, Tumca, konteqstis warmosaCenad,

am monacemebis moyvana sainteresoa.

municipalitetSi yvelaze

xSiria sasunT organoTa avadmyofobebi

(5209 adamiania daavadebuli

am avadmyofobiT), maT Soris, 0-15

wlamde bavSvebSi (3057). rigiTobiT

gaxSirebuli avadmyofobebia: sisxlis

mimoqcevis sistemis avadmyofobebi

(4524 adamianSi), hipertenzia

(3517 adamianSi), endokrinuli sistemis,

kvebisa da nivTierebaTa cvlis

darRveviT gamowveuli (1913 adamianSi)

da nervuli sistemis daavadebebi

(839 adamianSi).

unda aRiniSnos, rom qveyanaSi

Zalian rTulad da TiTqmis arc xdeba

samuSaosTan dakavSirebuli profesiuli

daavadebebis dadgena. jandacvis

saministroSi Seiqmna Sromis

pirobebis inspeqtirebis departamenti,

sadac mxolod 25 specialisti

muSaobs. „profesiuli daavadebis

Semweobis qmediTi praqtikis ararsebobis

gamo, mosaxleoba samsaxurs

mZime daavadebis SemTxvevaSic ki ver

anebebs Tavs. imisaTvis, rom Semosavlis

wyaro ar Seuwydes, sadamdec

SeuZlia tkivilis atana da Sromisunariania,

janmrTelobis problemebs

uZlebs; es ki daavadebis identifikaciasa

da prevencias arTulebs da am

adamianebze tragikulad aisaxeba

(mariam deviZe).

rogorc irkveva, bolnisisa da

dmanisis mosaxleobaSi gavrcelebuli

ar aris eqimTan xSiri vizitebisa

da daavadebebis kontrolis praqtika.

im SemTxvevaSic ki, rodesac maT

samedicino dazRveva aqvT, is srulad

ar faravs sawamoo travmebisa

da warmoebis procesebis gamo miRebuli

daavadebebis mkurnalobis xarjebs.

am fonze mniSvnelovania, rom

mosaxleobas protestis survilic

ar gaaCnia, piriqiT, is Zalian Znelad

modis Ria (identificirebul) komunikaciaze

da aris SemTxvevebi, rodesac

agresiasac ki avlens samuSaos

dakargvis SiSiT.

* * *

da mainc, imis gamo, rom vinmem

subieqturobaSi ar damdos brali da

Cem mier adgilze nanaxi da mosmenili

zRvargadasul emociebs ar miawros,

romlis Sedegadac dResve

davxuravdi sawarmos, vidre umkacres

standartebs ar daakmayofilebda

igi, maT Soris, TanamaSromel-

Ta da maTi ojaxis wevrebis, aseve

garemos dabinZurebis arealSi mcxovrebi

0-18 wlis asakis bavSvebisa da

axalgazrdebis savaldebulo janmrTelobis

dazRvevas moviTxovdi, ar

davutovebdi samTviani (moklevadiani)

SromiTi xelSekrulebebis

„xvrels” kompanias, vidre ar daiwyeboda

tyis masivebis mSenebloba, parlamentis

garemos dacvisa da bunebrivi

resursebis komitetis „qvemo

qarTlis regionSi garemos dabin-

Zurebis Semswavleli samuSao jgufis

2018-2019 wlebis monitoringis angariSs”

mivapyroT yuradReba.

samuSao jgufi Seiqmna saqarTvelos

parlamentis garemos dacvisa da

bunebrivi resursebis komitetis

gadawyvetilebiT, ss „RMG Copper”-isa

da Sps „RMG Gold”-is mier samTomopovebiTi

samuSaoebis warmoebis procesSi

garemosTvis miyenebuli zianis

Seswavlis mizniT. jgufi dakompleqtda

garemos komitetis, a(a)ip

„saydrisis komiteti kulturuli

memkvidreobisTvis” da organizacia

„mwvane politikis sazogadoebrivi

da samecniero-kvleviTi platformebis”

warmomadgenlebiT.

radgan angariSi sakmaod moculobiTia,

aucilebladac ki mimaCnia misi

calkeuli aqcentebis aseve vrclad

gamoyofa (rigiTi nomrebi miniWebulia

Cem mier gamoyofili prioritetebis

mixedviT. calkeuli citatebi

Semoklebulia):

1. bolnisisa da dmanisis municipalitetebis

teritoriis dabinZurebis

ZiriTadi wyaroa RMG-is

sakuTrebaSi/mflobelobaSi arsebuli

sawarmoo da salicenzio teritoriebi,

romlebic ZiriTadad mdebareobs

daba kazreTis mimdebare

teritoriaze, mdinare maSaveras marjvena

da marcxena sanapiroebze.

amasTanave, es teritoriebi dmanisisa

da bolnisis municipalitetebis

gzagasayarze mdinare foladauris

xeobas esazRvreba. SeiZleba aRiniSnos

dabinZurebis wyaroebi, romlebic

abinZurebs rogorc haers, ise

wyalsa da niadags. Tavis mxriv, wyali

da niadagi, rogorc dabinZurebis

gamavrceleblebi, xels uwyobs

saxifaTo nivTierebebis gavrcelebas

sxvadasxva mimarTulebiT;

2. ss „RMG Copper”-is salicenzio

teritoriebze ganlagebulia karieri,

sanayaroebi, spilenZisa da baritis

kudsacavebi, gamamdidrebeli sawarmo.

teritoriebi mdebareobs mdinare

maSaveras marjvena napirze, daba

kazreTis Crdilo-aRmosavleTiT.

amasTanave, is aRmosavleTidan mdinare

foladauris xeobas esazRvreba,

ss „RMG Copper”-is sanayaroebTan

ki saTaves iRebs foladauris ramdenime

Senakadi, romelic, samuSao

jgufis kvlevis SedegebiT, Zalze

dabinZurebuli iyo;

3. Sps „RMG Gold”-is salicenzio

teritoriebze ganlagebulia karierebi,

Ria samsxvrevi danadgarebi,

grovuli gamotutvis moednebi, sanayaroebi,

karieruli da sanayarosqveSa

wylebis Semkrebi damba. teritoriebi

mdebareobs mdinare maSaveras

marcxena napirze, sofel bali-

Wis mopirdapire mxares, aseve maSaveras

Senakadis _ mdinare kviracxovlis

(abulmuqi) xeobaSi. is moicavs

saydrisis xuT sabados, sam sanayaros,

grovuli gamotutvis moednebs

da samsxvrev mowyobiloba-danadgarebs;

4. dabinZurebis erT-erTi mTavari

wyaroa sawarmoo mtveri, romelic

madnis burRva-afeTqebiTi mopovebisa

da madnis samsxvrevis muSaobis

procesSi warmoiqmneba. Tumca

mtveri vrceldeba agreTve sawarmos

Sida da mimdebare (saxelmwifo) gzebze

madnis gadamtani satvirTo manqanebis

moZraobisas, karieris moSiSvlebuli

ferdobebidan, gamomSralgamofituli

sanayaroebidan da sxv.;

5. samuSao jgufis mier gasvliTi

Sexvedrebis dros ganxorcielebuli

monitoringisa da sawarmoo procesze

dakvirvebis Sedegad gamovlinda,

rom dabinZurebis mniSvnelovani

wyaroa mtveri, romelic madnis Ria

karieruli mopovebisas warmoiqmneba.

es xdeba ZiriTadad: karieruli

afeTqebebis, Ria samsxvrevi danadgaris

muSaobisa da satvirTo manqanebis

gadaadgilebis dros;

6. wylis dabinZurebis mravali

wyaro arsebobs, magaliTad, kudsacavebidan

gamoJonili wyali, sanayaroebidan

CamoJonili wyali, karieris

zumfis wylis miwisqveSa wylebTan

kontaqti. Tavis mxriv, wyali da

mtveri niadagis ZiriTadi damabin-

Zureblebia;

7. mdinare foladaurTan dakav-

SirebiT mniSvnelovani problema

arsebobs, kerZod, simZimis Zalis

gamo me-4 sanayaros ferdobi daZrulia

da gasulia kompania ss „RMG

Copper”-is salicenzio teritoriebidan.

is mdinaris Senakadis dinebis

mimarTulebiT moZraobs da misgan

CamoJonili wyali am Senakadebs abinZurebs;

8. kudsacavSi dagrovebuli zedmeti

wyali ukan, sawarmoSi itumbeba,

xolo fuWi qanebis nawili kudsacavis

Zirze ileqeba. am mJave wylis nawili

odiTganve Jonavda da Caedineboda

kudsacavis ZirSi mowyobil

guburaSi, saidanac es wyali, wesiT,

isev kudsacavSi unda amotumbuliyo.

2017 wlis mdgomareobiT es sistema

moZvelebuli iyo, kudsacavidan

gamoJonil wyals srulad ver akavebda

da wylis tumbvas ver uzrunvelyofda.

kudsacavidan drenirebuli

wylebi kudsacavis ZirSi mowyobili

guburis (mcire avzi) gavliT xvdeboda

md. kazreTulaSi;

9. ss „RMG Copper”-is teritoriaze

oTxi didi sanayaroa ganTavsebuli.

maTgan me-2, me-3 da me-4 sanayaroebi

istoriul, yvelaze Zvel

sanayaroebad aris miCneuli. me-4 da

me-3 sanayaroebidan gamoJonili wyali

uerTdeba mdinare foladauris

or Senakads, romelic, Tavis mxriv,

abinZurebs mdinaris qveda wels,

sofel samwevrisidan moyolebuli.

me-2 sanayarodan gamoJonili wyali

mdinare kazreTulas abinZurebs. 1-

li sanayaro SedarebiT izolirebulia,

Tumca igi uyuradRebod ar unda

darCes... dRes arsebuli problemebi,

romelic am sanayaroebs ukavSirdeba,

gamowveulia araswori dagegmarebiTa

da sainJinro gadawyvetebiT,

kerZod, sadrenaJo sistemebis

mniSvnelobisa da hidrogeologiuri

aspeqtebis gauTvaliswineblobiT;

10. sanayaroebi mudmiv moZraoba-

Sia. wlebis ganmavlobaSi fuWi qanebis

uwesrigo da gadametebuli dagrovebis

gamo isini sakuTar wonas

ver uZleben, Camowolis saSiSroebis

winaSe dganan da, Tu me-4 sanayaros

magaliTs moviSveliebT, maTi gavrcelebis

areali kompaniis sanayarosTvis

gamoyofili teritoriis

farglebs scdeba;

11. saydrisis ubanze grovuli

gamotutvis moednebi mdinare kviracxovlis

zemo welze, karierebisa

da sanayaroebis dasavleTiT mdebareobs.

grovuli gamotutviT xorcieldeba

Zvirfasi liTonebis Semcveli

damsxvreuli madnis gadamuSaveba.

es xdeba cianidis koncentratis

gamoyenebiT. xsnarSi cianidis

koncentracia umniSvnelo da usafrTxoa.

cianidis xsnars grovebad

dalagebul madanze asxureben ise,

rom cianidi madnis grovaSi aRwevs

da Zvirfasi liTonebis mikroskopul

nawilakebTan naerTs qmnis. Semdeg

Zvirfasi liTonebis Semcveli xsnari

specialuri arxebiT Sesabamis

rezervuarSi ikribeba;

12. 2018 wlis 15 ivniss garemos

komitetis Tavmjdomarem saqarTvelos

garemos dacvisa da soflis

meurneobis ministris movaleobis

Semsrulebelsa da ekonomikisa da

mdgradi ganviTarebis ministris movaleobis

Semsrulebels mimarTa rekomendaciiT,

rom ssip _ wiaRis

erovnulma saagentom RMG-s ar

misces ufleba, bneli xevis teritoriaze

daiwyos axali sabados damuSaveba,

vidre ar gamovlindeba

kompaniis neba da realuri qmedebebi

arsebuli mdgomareobis gasaumjobeseblad.

garemos komitetis

Tavmjdomarem miuTiTa, rom

savaldebuloa RMG-is mier garemos

dacvisa da soflis meurneobis saministros

mier gansazRvruli samoqmedo

gegmis Sesruleba. amis Sedegad

kompanias ar mieca bneli xevis teritoriaze

axali sabados damuSavebis

ufleba. es sakiTxi sazogadoebis

gansakuTrebuli yuradRebis qveS

iyo moqceuli;

13. samuSao jgufis Sexvedrebis

formatSi samuSao jgufma saqarTvelos


meurneobis saministros RMG-is

garemosdacviTi valdebulebebis

gegmaze SeniSvnebiT mimarTa da

miuTiTa, rom unda ganxorcieldes

gaJonvis yvela keris gansazRvra-SeswavliTi

saqmianoba sawarmoebis mTel

teritoriaze, maT Soris, istoriuli

dabinZurebis adgilebSi, sawarmoo

wylebis ciklis maqsimaluri

Caketva da detaluri samoqmedo gegmis

Sedgena, romelic orientirebuli

iqneba dabinZurebis wyaroebis

gauvnebelyofaze da ara mis SedegebTan

brZolaze;

14. samuSao jgufma garemos dacvisa

da soflis meurneobis saministros

aseve miuTiTa, rom karierze

mimdinare afeTqebiTi da sxva saxis

samuSaoebis Sedegad gatyorcnili

mZime metalebis Semcveli mtvris

Sesakaveblad aucilebelia, kompanias

mkafiod daekisros mtverSemakavebeli

danadgarebis dauyovnebliv amu-

Saveba, agreTve dayendes wylis gaSxefvis

avtomaturi sistemebi, romelic

uzrunvelyofs gzebis mudmivad

dasvelebas, rac mniSvnelovnad Seamcirebs

mtvris gafantvas garemoSi.

* * *

es aris Zalian mcire CamonaTvali

im problemebisa, razedac angariSSia

saubari, magram aq yuradRebas

ipyrobs Semdegi garemoeba,

rom im pirobebSi, rodesac komiteti,

soflis meurneobisa da garemos

dacvis samsaxuri gascemda rekomendaciebs,

kompaniis reagireba masze

iyo SerCeviTi xasiaTis, rac TvalnaTliv

Cans kidec angariSSi.

gagrZeleba 22-e gv.

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RMG-is oqro da

21-e gverdidan

angariSSi aRniSnulia:

1. kompaniam daiwyo sanayaroebis

daterasebis procesi sanayaroebze

wonis dabalansebisa da dawolis

wertilebis gantvirTvis mizniT.

ganxorcielda sanayaroebis geologiur-inJinruli

gamokvleva. daterasebis

procesi dResac mimdinareobs,

yvelaze intensiurad _ me-2 sanayaroze,

sadac ukve aTze meti terasa

moewyo. kompanias samuSao jgufisTvis

am sanayaros marTvis proeqti

unda miewodebina. sanayaroebis

rekultivaciis procesi ar dawyebula;

2. me-4 sanayaros mimdebare teritoriaze

kompanias ar dauwyia droebiTi

saleqaris mowyobis samuSaoebi,

romelic naleqis SemTxvevaSi mdinaris

mZime metalebiT gaJRenTili

wylisgan dacvas uzrunvelyofs.

garemos dacvisa da soflis meurneobis

saministros miwerilobiT gansazRvruli

garemosdacviTi valdebulebebis

mixedviT, aRniSnuli

saleqari kompanias unda moewyo

07.2018-08.2018 periodSi, rac ar

ganuxorcielebia. me-4 sanayaros Zir-

Si droebiTi saleqaris mowyobis Semdeg,

„mokle da grZelvadiani samoqmedo

gegmis” Sesabamisad, dagegmilia

gamwmendi nagebobis mowyoba da

gawmendili wyali unda Cavides md.

foladaurSi;

3. gamwmendis damontaJebamde procesi

dasrulebulad ver miiCneva,

magram, zemoaRniSnuli RonisZiebebidan

gamomdinare, SeiZleba iTqvas,

rom dabinZurebuli wylebi mdinare

kazreTulaSi da Semdeg mdinare

maSaveraSi ufro naklebad xvdeba.

Tumca es ar niSnavs problemis srulad

gadaWras. am sakiTxs sWirdeba

mudmivi monitoringi da aRniSnul

mdinareebSi mZime metalebis koncentraciebis

dasaSvebi zRvris qvemoT

arsebobis dadastureba, rac maTi

Camdinare wyliT dabinZurebas aRmofxvris;

4. meore avariuli mimRebi rezervuaris

tevadobaa 6000 m. 2019 wlis

Tebervlis mdgomareobiT, kudsacavidan

gamoJonili wylebis gaJonvis

Sekavebis proeqti dasrulebulia da

wyalsaqaCic funqcionirebs, Tumca

misi muSaobis efeqtianobas dakvirveba

mainc esaWiroeba;

5. samsxvrevi mowyobilobidan

gafrqveuli mtvris problemis gada-

Wris mizniT kompaniam ori „Elefante”-

s sistemis danadgari SeiZina. es danadgari

mZlavri ventilatoris wnevis

saSualebiT gamoyofs aTasobiT

wylis wveTs, romelic mtvers asvelebs

da mis gavrcelebas xels uSlis.

miuxedavad amisa, monitoringis

Sedegad dadginda, rom es xerxi

mtvris gavrcelebasTan sabrZolvelad

sakmarisad efeqtiani ar aris.

kompaniam saydrisis samsxvrevis mtvris

warmoqmnis yvela wyaroze damatebiT

daamontaJa wylis gamfrqvevi

sistema, romelic mtvris daWeras

uzrunvelyofs da garemoSi mis moxvedras

xels uSlis. es SeiZleba Semarbilebel

garemosdacviT RonisZiebad

iqnes miCneuli, radgan mtvris

sruli ganeitraleba, gansakuTrebiT

_ qarian amindSi, ver xerxdeba;

6. Sps „RMG Gold”-is teritoriaze,

ss „RMG Copper”-is teritoriis msgavsad,

ganxorcieldeba mdinare kviracxovlis

inkafsulacia, wylis gamwmendi

nagebobis mowyoba da misi gawmendis

meTodebis danergva. proeqt-

Tan dakavSirebuli dokumentacia

saqarTvelos garemos dacvisa da

soflis meurneobis saministroSi

jer ar wardgenila, anu procesi jer

ar dawyebula da kviracxoveli isev

dabinZurebuli saxiT erTvis mdinare

maSaveras.

angariSidan irkveva, rom kompaniam

marTlac Caatara sakmaod moculobiTi

samuSaoebi garemoze mavne

zemoqmedebis Semcirebis kuTxiT, magram

es aSkarad ar gaxlavT sakmarisi

da metic, rogorc adgilobrivebi

da specialistebis nawili acxadebs,

igi Tvalis axvevis politikas

emsaxureba.

unda aRiniSnos, rom komitetis

angariSis mixedviT, informaciis gam-

Wvirvalobis mizniT, kompania RMGis

eTxova, 2020 wlis meore kvartal-

Si garemos komitets warudginos

saministros mier gansazRvruli administraciuli

miwerilobis (garemosdacviTi

RonisZiebebi) Sesrulebis

mizniT 2018-2019 wlebis mdgomareobiT

gaweuli danaxarjebis Sesaxeb

Catarebuli auditis daskvna.

daskvna sakmaod moculobiTia da

misi Seswavla da Sedareba arsebul

realobasTan dros moiTxovs, amitomac

mas, savaraudod, cakle publikacia

dasWirdeba.

imis miuxedavad, rom komitetis

angariSiT kompaniisTvis gacemulia

rekomendacia „angariSis sajarod

gamoqveynebidan araugvianes 3 Tvisa,

kompaniam mtvris haerSi gafrqvevis

sawinaaRmdegod uzrunvelyos

satvirTo manqanebis gadaxurva, mo-

Zebnos Tanamedrove tipis ufro

efeqtiani xsnarebi, romelic morwyvis

dros gamoiyeneba gzebis amtverianebis

Sesamcireblad, an gzebis

gaswvriv ganaTavsos sasxurebeli

milebi da gzebze gadaagos mtversawinaaRmdego

masalebi”, Cemi adgilze

yofnis dros arc gadaxuruli manqanebi

minaxavs da arc „efeqtiani

xsnarebiT” morwyuli gzebi.

rogorc adgilze dasaqmebulebma

konfidencialobis garantiiT gamimxiles,

kvlav narCundeba mdgomareoba,

romlis mixedviTac Sps „RMG

Gold”-is me-5 karieri periodulad uSvebs

gruntis wylebs. angariSSi amaze

naTqvamia, rom „es wylebi mdinareSi

Caedineba. amasTanave, mJave wylis

maRali koncentraciis SemTxvevaSi

ereva kiri, rac iwvevs qimiur reaqcias.

amis Sedegad yviTeli wyali da

qafi 30 kilometris manZilze Caedineba”.

aseve SenarCunebulia viTareba,

rodesac „saamfeTqeblo saqmianobis

dros mtvris sruli ganeitraleba,

gansakuTrebiT, qarian amindSi, ver

xerxdeba”. rogorc adgilze dasaqmebulebi

da mosaxleoba acxadebs, kvlav

mimdinareobs afeTqebebi qarian

amindSi.

* * *

zemoT kompaniis Tavneboba vaxsene

da amis kidev ramdenime magaliTs

moviyvan, rac aseve aRniSnulia angariSSi:

_ garemosdacviTi zedamxedvelobis

departamentis mier dadginda,

rom saqarTvelos garemos dacvisa

da soflis meurneobis saministros

2018 wlis 13 martis #1971/01 werilis

me-9 punqtis 9.2 qvepunqtiT ss

„RMG Copper”-isTvis gansazRvruli

valdebuleba ar Sesrulebula. ker-

Zod, kompanias administraciuli miwerilobis

misTvis Cabarebidan 2

Tvis vadaSi saministrosTvis ar Seu-

Tanxmebia laboratoriuli analizebis

Catarebis meTodebi;

_ garemosdacviTi zedamxedvelobis

departamentis mier dadginda,

rom #3 sanayarodan gamomavali na-

Juri wylebis marTvis mizniT kompaniis

mier SemuSavebuli moklevadiani

da grZelvadiani samoqmedo gegmiT

gansazRvrul vadaSi (droebiTi

saleqaris ganTavsebis vada _

09.2018?11.2018) ar dasrulebula

droebiTi saleqaris mowyobis samuSaoebi.

Tumca obieqturobisTvis aRvniSnav,

rom angariSis mixedviT am sakiTxebze

sasamarTlo dava mimdinareobs.

* * *

friad samwuxaroa, rom komitetis

angariSSi araferia naTqvami da am

mxriv, albaT, SemekamaTebian, rom es

ar iyo maTi kvleva-Seswavlis mizani,

raSic marTlebic iqnebian _ ramdeni

xe ganadgurda, ramdeni mwvane safari

moispo, ramdeni mela da tura gada-

Senda, ramdenma adamianma miiRo sawarmoo

travma, ramdeni Tevzi amowyda

mdinareebSi, ramdeni Cveni Tanamoqalaqea

daavadebuli da metic, kvdeba

neli sikvdiliT ara mxolod iq _

bolnissa da dmanisSi, aramed Tbilis-

Si, rusTavSi realizebuli soflis

meurneobis produqtebiT.

mamaZaRli „oqro”!.. jandacvis

saministrom zustad icis dmanissa

da bolnisSi mosaxleobis daavadebis

maprovocirebeli faqtorebi? aqvs

es Seswavlili? Tu ufro globaluri

gamowvevis winaSe dganan? eh,

„mamaZaRli oqro”!..

* * *

axla erTi friad mniSvnelovani

garemoebac: Tu obieqturebi

viqnebiT _ maqsimalurad obieqturebi

_ imis aRiareba mouwevs yvelas,

maT Soris, garemos dacvis komitets,

soflis meurneobisa da garemos

dacvis saministros, rom maTi saqmianoba

midevnebuli lamparia, formalobaa

da Tu vinmes ekuTvnis madloba,

Tundac, kompaniis iZulebaSi,

rom maT Turme „naxeT ramdeni ram

gaakeTs sayrdisisTvis, bolnisisa da

dmanisis mosaxleobisTvis”, aris „saydrisis

dacvis komiteti”. personalurad

CamoTvlac SeiZleba da maT-

Tvis malobis gadaxda, magram mainc

ase ukeT JRers: „saydrisis dacvis

komiteti”. simarTle giTxraT, rom

ara isini, arc afeTqebis „istoriuli”

kadrebi SemogvrCeboda, romelsac

ganaCeni erTad gamoutanes akademikosma

kiazo ficxelaurma, mecnierebaTa

akademiam, kulturis

saministrom da, zogadad, qarTulma

saxelmwifom, anu me da Tqven. da Tu

dRes bolnissa da dmanisSi sikvdilis

tempebi odnav mainc Senelda, esec

ara parlamentis komitetisa Tu

saministros, aramed „saydrisis

dacvis komitetis” damsaxurebaa. madloba

Tqven, Cemgan _ erTi rigiTi

qarTvelisagan, Cems Tanamoqalaqeebze,

Cemi qveynis garemoze, mis istoriasa

da kulturaze zrunvisTvis.

* * *

barem isic icodeT, rom RMG

GOLD-i 2025 wlamde, daaxloebiT, 13

685.54 kg. oqros mopovebas varaudobs.

kompania amJamad ramdenime

proeqtze muSaobs. kerZod, grZeldeba

saydrisis sabadodan madnis mopoveba/gadamuSaveba,

aseve ukve gadamuSavebuli

madnis mesamed gadamuSaveba.

mimdinareobs e. w. aglomeraciis

proeqti, rac gulisxmobs baritis

madnis Serevas ukve gadamuSavebul

madanTan. garda amisa, mimdinareobs

saydrisis sabadodan madnis mopoveba

ss „aremji koperze” misawodeblad.

ise, ra aq mosatania, radgan investicias

erovneba ar aqvs, magram mainc

vityvi: KPMG-is mier momzadebuli

mmarTvelobiTi angariSgebis mixedviT,

RMG Gold-is, iseve rogorc RMG

Copper-is saboloo makontrolebeli

mxareebi arian rusi miliarderebi da

biznespartniorebi _ dimitri troicki

da dimitri korJevi.

Forbes-is informaciiT, rogorc

korJevis, aseve troickis qoneba $1

miliard dolarad aris Sefasebuli.

korJevi da troicki klaselebi

iyvnen, maT qoneba 1990-iani wlebis

dasawyisSi avtomobilebiT vaWrobiT

daagroves, Semdgom ki ruseTis erTerTi

warmatebuli riTeilis qseli

O’Key daafuZnes.

rusma biznesmenebma RMG holdingi

2012 wels SeiZines. aRniSnuli

garigebis Rirebuleba sajarod cnobili

ar aris.

* * *

ise, qarTuli ekonomikisTvis,

Tundac zemoT aRwerili viTarebis

gaTvaliwinebiT, bevrad mniSvnelovani

iqneboda, rom nedleuli adgilze

gadamuSavdebodes, eqsportze

ukve mza produqcia unda gadiodes

da ara _ nedleuli an naxevarfabrikati.

es niSnavs met dasaqmebul

adamians, met samuSao adgils, magram

rac kargia saqarTvelos ekonomikisTvis,

is sulac ar gaxlavT sasargeblo

oqros mompovebeli kompaniis

mflobelebisTvis.

an ratom unda anaRvlebdes „investors

erovnebis gareSe” qarTuli

ekonomika da saqarTvelos moqalaqe,

buneba, kulturuli memkvidreoba,

rodesac es yvelaferi ar anaRvlebs

xalxs _ xelisuflebis wyaros. am

yvelafris Semdeg namdvilad dasafasebelia

konstituciaSi arsebuli

nebismieri formaluri Canaweri janmrTelobis,

sicocxlis, kulturis,

tradiciis, gremos dacvisa Tu sxva

sikeTeebis Sesaxeb, romelic mxolod

Canaweria, vidre nebismier sxvas SegviZlia

vusayveduroT: „viwamlebiT,

gvspoben, nadgurdeba unikaluri

flora da fauna da amas yuradRebas

ar aqcevT”...

* * *

„yvelas aqvs ufleba, cxovrobdes

janmrTelobisTvis uvnebel garemo-

Si, sargeblobdes bunebrivi garemo-

Ti da sajaro sivrciT. yvelas aqvs

ufleba, droulad miiRos sruli informacia

garemos mdgomareobis

Sesaxeb, yvelas aqvs ufleba, zrunavdes

garemos dacvaze”... es konstituciaSi

weria... ra kargad JRers,

ara? am SemTxvevaSi ki, roca saqme

oqros exeba „yvelas aqvs ufleba”,

hqondes arafris ufleba. ratom?

bolo sityvebs daakvirdiT: „...yvelas

aqvs ufleba, zrunavdes garemos

dacvazeo”, _ gveubneba saqarTvelos

umTavresi kanoni, arada, iciT, ra

iqneboda marTebuli Canaweri? _ „yvelas

aqvs valdebuleba, zrunavdes

garemos dacvaze”... maSin sakiTxis

gaazreba iqneboda sxva. ise, Cven aseve

gvaqvs sicocxlis, janmrTelobis

uflebac, magram rad ginda? ager,

RMG gvklavs wlebia da ra? ise,

rogor Tu ra, Cven vixocebiT neli

sikvdiliT, isini ki _ investorebi

erovnebis gareSe _ mdidrdebian,

axla da aq! sxvaTa Soris, bevrad uke-

Tesi iqneba, kanonmdeblebma arsebuli

viTarebis gaTvaliswinebiT, konstituciaSi

erTi uwyinari Canaweri

gaakeTon: „saqarTvelos moqalaqes

aqvs sikvdilis ufleba, raTa droebiT

icocxlos da acocxlos ojaxis

wevrebi”. es Canaweri zustad gaamarTlebda

bolnissa da dmanisSi mcxovrebi

mosaxleobis nawilis yofas,

saxelmwifos organoebi ki samuSao

jgufebis muSaobaSi, „uazro” normatiuli

aqtebisa da rekomendaciebis

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sicocxle sikvdilis fasad

mofiqrebaSi ar daxarjavdnen dros.

rac mTavaria, RMG da msgavsi „pasuxismgeblobis”

kompaniebis mogebac

gaizrdeboda da biujetSi Senatanebic

sagrZnoblad msuye gaxdeboda.

mela, tura da kalmaxi? kargiT,

ra.

Cemi subieqturi msjelobisa da

mosazrebebis miRma, raoden mZime

Sefasebas an emociur gancdas unda

Seicvdes is, arsebobs meore mxaris

poziciac. aqve davZen, rogorc werilSi

araerTgzis aRvniSne, mdgomareoba

wina wlebTan SedarebiT gaumjobesebulia,

magram es ar gaxlavT

idealuri da kvlavac safrTxis Semcvelia.

amis gaTvaliswinebiT mivmarTe

kompanias informaciisTvis, Tu ra

gakeTda samuSao jgufis rekomendaciebidan

dReisTvis da ra procesi

mimdinareobs sxva rekomendaciebis

Sesasruleblad.

kompaniidan operatiulad (risTvisac

maT madlobas vuxdi) miRebul

werils ucvlelad gTavazobT.

mogesalmebiT, b-n goCa

gacnobebT, rom 2018 wlis

dasawyisSi saqarTvelos garemos

dacvisa da soflis meurneobis saministrom

ss RMG Copper-sa da Sps RMG

Gold-s ganusazRvra gonivruli vadebi

garemosdacviTi RonisZiebebis

gansaxorcieleblad.

aRniSnuli miwerilobis fargleb-

Si gansazRvruli garemosdacviTi

RonisZiebebis didi nawili ukve Sesrulebulia

da dadebiTad aris Sefasebuli,

rogorc makontrolebeli

saxelmwifo uwyebebis, aseve

saqarTvelos parlamentis garemos

dacvisa da bunebrivi resursebis

komitetisa da masTan arsebuli

„qvemo qarTlis regionSi garemos

dabinZurebis Semswavleli samuSao

jgufis” wevrebis mier.

magaliTisTvis gTxovT ixiloT

mimdinare wlis 9 ivliss saqarTvelos

parlamentis garemos dacvisa da

bunebrivi resursebis komitetis

Tavmjdomare nino wilosanisa da komitetTan

arsebuli qvemo qarTlis

regionSi garemos dabinZurebis Semswavleli

samuSao jgufis vizitis

Sesaxeb mediaSi gavrcelebuli informacia:

https://www.youtube.com/

watch?v=osNtn39PIzA

&fbclid=IwAR0JICH0O6OZXrCmBtZmW-

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lSuK7wnssXdlo_ELoOfIB4


watch?v=BbujJyXz_gk&t=1

s & f b c l i d = I w A R 1 U T P

U5Z4acxsdMKouDbtF7Wy_-v9v3nE0nB-

LS01jaSGMjV_Y8vB2-t4M


watch?v=GdZPdusAya8&t=7s&fbclid=Iw

A R 2 h q f W p e G 1 p m s 1

D1YC2uB2nfE2cfR4_UxyOHoT3qezOw8d4vzi7vo6d1E

aseve gvinda gacnoboT, rom kompania

iTvaliswinebs rekomendaciebis

im nawilsac, romelic ar Sedis

saqarTvelos garemos dacvisa da

soflis meurneobis saministros miwerilobaSi,

Tumca gaTvaliswinebulia

parlamentTan arsebuli samuSao

jgufis angariSSi da aqtiurad

muSaobs maT Sesrulebaze.

gTxovT, qvemoT ixiloT saqarTvelos


meurneobis saministros miwerilobis

farglebSi „aremjis” mier 2018 wlidan

dRemde ganxorcielebuli

RonisZiebebis mokle CamonaTvali:

ss RMG Copper

wyaldacviTi RoniZiebebi

1. wlebis ganmavlobaSi mdinare

kazreTulasa da maSaveras dabin-

Zurebis maRali riskis mqone wyaros

warmoadgenda RMG Copper-is kudsacavidan

drenirebuli wylebi, romlebic

uaryofiT zegavlenas axdenda

mdinaris wylis xarisxze.

aRniSnuli wylebis mier mdinaris

dabinZurebisagan dacvis mizniT

kudsacavidan drenirebuli wylebis

marTvis mizniT moewyo 2 erTeuli

rkina-betonis Semkrebi rezervuari

da satumbi sadguri, romelic

uzrunvelyofs drenirebuli wylebis

mTlianad Segrovebas da ukan

kudsacavSi gadatumbvas.

aRniSnuli RonisZiebis Sedegad

md. kazreTulas (romelic md. maSaveras

Senakadia) mTlianad aerida

kudsacavidan drenirebuli damabin-

Zurebeli wylebi. proeqti dasrule-

bulia;

2. sawarmos teritoriaze sxva saxis

difuziuri Tu saniaRvre wylebis

marTvis mizniT amave periodSi ganxorcielda

mdinare kazreTulas dabinZurebisagan

damcavi infrsatruqturuli

proeqti, romlis Sedegad

mdinare sawarmoo perimetris gaswvriv

2560 m. manZilze moeqca damcav

milSi, xolo saniaRvre wylebis Segrovebisa

da misi gawmenda-daleqvis

mizniT xeobis qveda welSi moewyo

samsafexuriani saleqarebis kaskadi,

sadac mudmivad mimdinareobs wylis

xarisxis kvleva (gansakuTrebiT mosuli

naleqis dros). amave obieqtidan

xdeba damtkicebuli zdC normebis

kontroli. aRniSnuli proeqti

dasrulebulia.

proeqtis momdevno stadiaa,

kaskadis Semdeg, Camdinare wylebis

gawmendis mizniT, Tanamedrove qimiuri

gamwmendi nagebobis mowyoba,

romelzedac mimdinareobs sanebarTvo

procedurebi. proeqtis dasruleba

dagegmilia 2020 wlis bolosTvis,

ris Semdegac mTlianad gamoiricxeba

mdinaris dabinZureba;

3. sawarmos gavlenis zonaSi arsebuli

zedapiruli wylebidan dReisaTvis

negatiur zemoqmedebas ganicdis

spilenZ-polimetaluri karieris

aRmosavleT mxares mdebare mdinare

foladauri, romelsac uerTdeba

fuWi qanebis me-3 da me-4 istoriuli

sanayarebidan bunebrivad drenirebuli

wylebi, rac wlebis manZilze

warmoadgenda md. foladauris dabinZurebis

wyaros.

ganxorcielebuli wyaldacviTi

RonisZiebebis farglebSi, dReis

mdgomareobiT, md. foladauris dabinZurebisgan

dasacavad moewyo gadasatumbi

infrastruqtura, romlis

Sedegad me-3 sanayarodan Camonadeni

wylebi grovdeba sanayaros dabal ni-

Snulze, xevSi mowyobil avzSi, saidanac

gadaitumbeba karieris perimetrSi

mowyobil wyalgaumtar rezervuarSi.

aRniSnulis Sedegad mTlianad

aRikveTa me-3 sanayarodan Camdinare

wylis mavne zemoqmedeba md. foladaurze.

rac Seexeba me-4 sanayarodan

Camonadeni mJave wylebis marTvas,

maT Sesagroveblad da SemdgomSi

gasawmendad dawyebulia qimiuri

gamwmendi nagebobis infrastruqturis

mowyoba. proeqtis Tanaxmad, sanayros

qveS mowyobilia Ria tipis wyalgaumtari

wyalSemkrebi avzebi

(droebiTi saleqarebi).

proeqtis bolo etapze wyalSemkrebi

avzebis Semdgom moxdeba Tanamedrove

qimiuri gamwmendi nagebobis

mowyoba, sadac wyali qimiurad

gaiwmindeba da md. foladaurSi Cae-

Sveba. aRniSnulTan dakavSirebiT mimdinareobs

sanebarTvo procedurebi.

proeqtis dasruleba dagegmilia

2020 wlis bolosTvis, ris Semdegac

mTlianad gamoiricxeba md. foladauris

dabinZureba;

4. mdinareebis dabinZurebis erTerT

wyaros warmoadgens madansazidi

gza, romelzec mosuli saniaRvre

wylebi uerTdeboda md. kazreTulas.

saniaRvre wylebis organizebuli

marTvis mizniT ss RMG Copper-is

karieris mTavar madansazid gzaze

moewyo sadrenaJo da saleqar-rezervuarebis

sistema, romelic saSualebas

mogvcems vmarToT saniaRvre

wylebi da misi Semadgenlobidan gamomdinare

gamoyenebul iqnas sawarmoo

daniSnulebiT. proeqti das-

rulebulia;

5. gamamdidrebeli fabrikisa da

kudsacavis sawarmoo teqnologiur

procesebSi SesaZlo avariuli procesebis

dros damabinZurebeli

wylebis droebiT Segroveba-marTvis

mizniT moewyo mimRebi saavario

rezervuarebi. proeqti dasrulebu-

lia;

6. kompaniis sameurneo-sayofacxovrebo

Camdinare wylebis marTvis

mizniT, ss RMG Copper-is teritoriaze

moewyo sakanalizacio wylis biologiuri

tipis gamwmendi nageboba,

romelic uzrunvelyofs sayofacxovrebo

Camdinare wylebis gawmendasa

da kazreTulas dabinZurebisgan

dacvas. proeqti dasrulebulia.

atmosferuli haeris dacvis

RonisZiebebi

1. saavtomobilo da Sida karierul

gzebze mtvris gavrcelebis Sesamcireblad

SeZenil iqna specavtosatransporto

saSualebebi da morwyvis

intensivobis gansazRvris mizniT

dadginda Sesabamisi marSutebi da

morwyvis saWiro intensivobis optimaluri

droebi, romlis Sesaxeb SemuSavda

ZiriTadi satransporto

(Sida karieruli da saavtomobilo)

gzebis morwyvis grafiki, romelic

SeTanxmda garemos dacvisa da soflis

meurneobis saministrosTan;

2. ganxorcielda gamamdirebeli

fabrikis atmosferoSi mavne niv-

TierebaTa gafrqvevis stacionaruli

wyaroebis: kiris saamqros, msxvili

samsxvrevisa da saSualo/wvrili samsxvrevis

Senobebis amortizebuli

airmtverdamWeri sistemis Secvla

axali, Tanamedrove, e. w. filtrebiani

tipis airmtverdamWeri sistemebiT,

romelic 99%-iT wmends mtvers

da icavs garemos damabinZurebeli

gafrqvevebisgan. proeqtis ZiriTadi

stadia dasrulebulia, bolo etapis

(kidev erTi haeris filtris mowyoba

madnis bunkerebTan) dasruleba

dagegmilia 2020 wlis bolos.

rekultivaciis RonisZiebebi

1. dazianebuli teritoriis etapobrivi

aRdgena-rekultivaciis miznebisTvis

moewyo sanerge meurneoba,

sadac mimdinareobs sxvadasxva

saxeobis nergebis dargva da gamoyvana.

dResTvis gamoyvanilia daaxloebiT

9000 nergi da daTesilia sxvadasxva

saxeobis xe-mcenare 1000 m2

farTobze;

2. ganxorcielda sacdel-eqsperimentuli

rekultivaciis RonisZieba

(hidroTesva) tufis karierze da

me-2 sanayaros 1,5 ha farTobze;

3. ganxorcielda „madneulis”

karieris me-2 sanayaros stabilizaciis

samuSaoebi. saqarTvelos

garemos dacvisa da soflis meurneobis

saministrosTan SeTanxmda me-2

sanayaros pirveli etapisa da

spilenZ-piritis kudsacavis teqnikur-biologiuri

rekultivaciis

proeqtebi;

4. mimdinareobs „madneulis” karieris

istoriuli me-4 sanayaros stabilizaciis

RonisZiebebi, romlis

dasruleba momaval welsaa dagegmili.

stabilizaciis dasrulebis

Semdgom daiwyeba aRniSnuli sanayaros

teqnikuri da biologiuri rekultivaciis

samuSaoebis ganxorcieleba.

aseve dagegmilia „madneulis”

karieris me-3 istoriuli sanayaros

stabilizaciis samuSoebis ganxorcieleba

da SemdgomSi misi rekultivacia.

Sps RMG Gold _ saydrisi

wyaldacviTi RonisZiebebi

1. saydrisis madnis grovuli

gamotutvis sawarmoo ubanze moewyo

biologiuri tipis gamwmendi nageboba,

romelic uzrunvelyofs ubnidan

Camdinare sameurneo-sayofacxovrebo

wylebis gawmendas da kviracxovlis

Reles dabinZurebisgan dacvas.

aRniSnuli proeti dasrulebulia;

2. saniaRvre-karieruli wylebi

organizebuli marTvis mizniT gzebis

perimetrze moewyo yrilebi/arxebi

da aRikveTa yvela saxis difuziuri

Cadineba kviracxovlis Reles

mimarTulebiT. proeqti dasrulebu-

lia;

3. xeobis qveda nawilSi moewyo saniaRvre-karieruli

wylebis Semkrebi

avzi da 2020 wlis bolomde moewyoba

qimiuri gamwmendi nageboba,

romelic uzrunvelyofs gawmendili

wylebis CaSvebas md. maSaveraSi. mimdinareobs

sanebarTvo procedurebi.

proeqtis dasruleba dagegmilia

2020 wlis bolomde.

atmosferuli haeris dacvis

RonisZiebebi

1. samsxvrev kvanZze madnis gadatanisa

da CatvirTvis punqtebze

moewyo wylis gamSxefi sistemebi,

ramac minimumamde daiyvana mtvris

nawilakebis gavrceleba;

2. saavtomobilo da Sida karierul

gzebze dawesda perioduli morwyva

Sesabamisi grafikis mixedviT.

niadagis dacvis RonisZiebebi

samTomopovebiTi saqmianobis Sedegad

teritoriebis siaxloves

niadagis SesaZlo dabinZurebis kontrolis

mizniT dadgenilia monitoringis

RonisZiebebi saydrisis

mimdebared sasoflo-sameurneo,

arasasoflo sameurneo da tyis koromis

arealSi, sadac dadgenili intesivobiT

xdeba niadagis sinjebis

aReba da kvlevisTvis gagzavna

damoukidebel akreditebul laboratoariaSi.

kompania ganagrZobs garemosdacviT

saqmianobas da mdgomareobis

gaumjobesebas, rogorc garemos

dacvis TvalsazrisiT, aseve axali

teqnologiebis moZiebisa da danergvis

TvalsazrisiT. ZiriTadi yuradReba

momdevno wlebis ganmavlobaSi

gamaxvildeba rekultivaciis sakiTxebze.

aseve gagrZeldeba mimdinare

garemosdacviTi saqmianobac, magaliTad,

narCenebis marTva, monitoringi,

wylis obieqtebisa da niadagis

dacvis RonisZiebebi, atmosferuli

haeris dacvis mizniT damatebi-

Ti RonisZiebebis Sesruleba da sxv.

N15 (317) 14.07-20.07.2020 w.

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xelisuflebac ki veRar uary-

zurab Sorena marsagiSvili

ofs imas, rom qveyanaSi kriminali

599 92 16 22 SesaniSnav mdgomareobaSia. „qar-

Tuli ocneba” arafers akeTebs

viTarebis gamosasworeblad. kriminalebisTvis brZolis

gamocxadebis nacvlad isini maTTan TanamSromlobas am-

jobineben. kriminals saTanadod arc policia ebrZvis.

rodis gamoiZieben gaxmaurebul

mkvlelobebs? ratom Tan-

amSromlobs „qarTuli ocneba”

kriminalebTan? ras moutans

mmarTvel partias saarCevno

siaSi ivaniSvilis pirvel nom-

rad Cawera? sadamde migviyvans

dasavluri sanqciebi? rCeba Tu

ara opozicia erTiani? _ amis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s esaubreba

„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelos”

erT-erTi lideri, zurab na-

diraZe:

_ batono zurab, proporciul

saarCevno sistemaze gadas-

vlas opozicia wlebis manZilze

iTxovda. is cvlilebebi, romlis

Tanaxmadac arCevnebi proporciulTan

miaxloebuli wesiT

Catardeba, Tqveni aqtiuro-

biTa da dasavleTis zewoliT

miiRes, magram axla xelisufle-

ba ise warmoaCens, TiTqos es

maTi survili iyo. es amomrCev-

els xom ar daabnevs, radgan

opozicias regionebSi erTiani

kandidatebi eyoleba? ra gavlenas

moaxdens es saerTo su-

raTze?

_ Tamamad SemiZlia giTxraT,

rom proporciulTan miaxloebuli

arCevnebi upirobod 20 ivnisisa

da prodasavlurad ganwyobili

qarTveli xalxis monapovaria

da xelisuflebis antagonizmi,

miiweros opoziciis aqtiurobiT

da dasavleTis zewoliT

miRebuli saarCevno sistema,

rbilad rom vTqvaT, maT utifrobaze

metyvelebs da Canasax-

Sive ganwirulia. avxsni, ratomac:

yvelas gvaxsovs, 20 ivnisis „gavrilovis

Ramis” sisxliani movlenebidan

mesame dRes, 24 ivniss, bi-

Zina ivaniSvili da kompania 2020-

Si sazogadoebas sruliad proporciul

saarCevno sistemas

dahpirda, rac prezidentma da

mTelma rigma xelmZRvanelma

pirebma maRali saerTaSoriso

tribunebidanac daaanonses, magram

aRmoCnda, rom kidev erTi

ivaniSviliseuli farsi gaTamaSda,

radgan 14 noembers „amboxebulma”

deputatebma, 4 wlis man-

Zilze mikrofoni rom ar Caur-

TavT, kenWisyra Caagdes da mosaxleoba

isev Zveli, 77/73-ze

sistemis molodinSi datoves.

gaxsovT, maSin ivaniSvilis xelisbiWi

demagogi maRalCinosnebi

gvamunaTebdnen, rom aranairi

proporciuli arCevnebi ar iqneboda.

Semdeg opoziciisa da

dasavleTis zewolis Sedegad e.

w. vaWrobaze wamovidnen da 100/

50-ze sistema SemogvTavazes, rac

xalxisTvis aseve miuRebeli aRmoCnda.

xelisuflebis winaaRmdegobis

miuxedavad, opoziciis

erTianobam da Tanmimdevrulobam,

aqciebis rbevis, zamTarSi wylis

Wavlebis, ukanono dakavebebisa

da rac mTavaria, dasavle-

Tis mxardaWeris fonze, 8 martis

SeTanxmeba moitana, romelic, miuxedavad

politpatimrad aRiarebuli

irakli oqruaSvilisa

da gigi uglavas gamoSvebisa, xelisuflebam

bolomde mainc ar

Seasrula, radgan patimrobaSi

datova giorgi rurua, magram

zewolis Sedegad miiRo proporciulTan

miaxloebuli 120/30-ze

saarCevno sistema. amitom da amgvarad

2020 arCevnebi mTlianad

xelisuflebis Secvlis wyurviliT

Sepyrobili, opoziciurad

ganwyobili xalxisa da aseve prorusuli

xelisuflebisadmi skeptikurad

ganwyobili dasavleli

partniorebis damsaxurebaa. amomrCeveli

ganviTarebul movlenebs

aqtiurad akvirdeba da ara

mgonia, aman raime dabneuloba

gamoiwvios, miuxedavad xelisuflebis

aqtiuri mcdelobisa da

trolebis fabrikiT antiopoziciuri

uniWo propagandisa.

rac Seexeba regionebSi opoziciis

erTian kandidatebs, am

Temaze opoziciis SigniT konsultaciebi

jer kidev ar dasrulebula

da es demokratiuli

procesia. mravalpartulobisa

da dabali barieris fonze yvela

partia cdilobs proporciuli

xmebis mogrovebas, magram

yvelas esmis, rom amiT mTavari

idea (ivaniSvilis xelisuflebis

gaSveba) ar unda dazaraldes.

aris regionebi, sadac momgebiania

erTian kandidatze Sejereba.

es, ZiriTadad, did qalaqebs exeba,

magram aris regionebi, sadac

erTiani kandidati, rogorc

Tqven brZaneT, SesaZlo dabneulobas

gamoiwvevs. „gaSlas” meti

sargeblis motana SeuZlia da am

mxriv aucileblad swor gadawyvetilebebs

miviRebT.

_ „gamarjvebuli saqarTvelo”

TiTqos gaemijna opozicias.

arc saerTo maJoritarebis

dayenebas apirebT. es mar-

Tlia, Tu ase Cans? da saerTod,

ra xdeba Tqvens Tavs?

_ „gamarjvebuli saqarTvelo”

2019 wlis 11 ivniss dafuZnda,

cxra dReSi ki 20 ivnisis movlenebi

moxda, ra drosac erTi Tvis

Tavze moZraobis wevri koba ko-

SaZe daakaves, romelsac irakli

oqruaSvilTan megobrobis gamo

iaraRi Caudes. erT kviraSi ki

„gavrilovis Rames” ganviTarebuli

movlenebis SeTiTxnili

braldebiT Tavad axaldafuZnebuli

moZraobis lideri irakli

oqruaSvilic daapatimres. aSkara

gaxda, rom ivaniSvilis damna-

Save xelisufleba mSvidad ganvi-

Tarebis saSualebas ar mogvcemda.

mokle droSi, mizezTa gamo,

ramdenime wevrmac dagvtova da,

faqtobrivad, forsmaJorSi gviwevda

funqcionireba. samwuxarod,

didi dro davkargeT, 10 Tve

lideris gareSe gavatareT, ra

droc partiuli struqturis

mSeneblobisTvis da aqtivis

gazrdisTvis unda dagveTmo. kviraSi

3-4 dRe sasamarTlos darbazebs

viyaviT gamokerebulni.

sabednierod, 15 maiss xelisufleba

iZulebuli gaxda, irakli

oqruaSvili gaeTavisuflebina

da man, iseve rogorc cota adre

koba koSaZem, sapatimro datova.

magram dro 2020-is arCevnebamde

da dasaxuli miznebis gansaxorcieleblad

Zalian cota dagvr-

Ca. miuxedavad amisa, „gamarjvebuli

saqarTvelo” leiboristuli

formatis opoziciur erTobaSi,

dRidan misi Sekrebisa, aqtiurad

monawileobda da lideris

ganTavisuflebis Semdegac

dRemde aqtiurad vagrZelebT

konsultaciebs. rac Seexeba saerTo

opoziciuri maJoritaris

ardayenebas, sworedac saerTo

interesebis gamo, erToba rom ar

dazianebuliyo, amitom miiRo

aseTi gadawyvetileba irakli oqruaSvilma.

Tumca Tbilisis ori

olqi jer kidev Tavisufalia da

Cven aqtiurad varT CarTuli ara

Cveni, magram CvenTvisac misaRebi

saerTo kandidatis SerCevis

nadiraZe:

`qarTul ocnebas~

ver uSvelis biZina

ivaniSvilis pirvel

nomrad dayeneba~

konsultaciebSi.

Cven davayenebT maJoritarebs

regionebSi da amisTvis aqtiuri

muSaoba, Sexvedrebi da mosamzadebeli

samuSaoebi ukve dawyebuli

gvaqvs. Cemi azriT, dRidan

opoziciis gaerTianebisa, Sedegi

calsaxad dadebiTia. es gaer-

Tianeba ualternativoa ivaniSvilis

reJimis Sesacvlelad, rac

xelisuflebamac kargad icis da

dezinformaciiT sistematurad

cdilobs ganxeTqilebis Setanas

opoziciaSi. damijereT, es fuWi

mcdelobaa mxolod.

_ amerika sityvidan saqmeze

gadavida da ukve daiwyo saqar-

TvelosTvis sanqciebis daweseba.

amis sapasuxod „qarTuli ocne-

ba” apirebs, rom maTi saarCevno

siis pirveli nomeri ivaniSvili

iyos. mis mimarT sazogadoebaSi

mainc aris ndoba. es opozicias

xels xom ar SeuSlis? Tqvens

liderad xom saakaSvili moiazre-

ba. aqamde yvela arCevnebze

saakaSvilis dabrunebiT aSinebda

„qarTuli ocneba” amomrCevels.

_ aSS-is kongresis mxridan

sanqciebi, kerZod daxmarebidan

15%-is gayinva, saqarTvelos moqmedi

xelisuflebis pirdapiri

pasuxismgeblobaa da vfiqrob,

Tu ase gaagrZela, Sesabamisad es

sanqcia iyo pirveli, magram ar

iqneba ukanaskneli. „qarTul

ocnebas” ver uSvelis biZina ivan-

`Tamamad SemiZlia giTxraT, rom

proporciulTan miaxloebuli arCevnebi

upirobod 20 ivnisisa da prodasavlurad

ganwyobili qarTveli xalxis monapovaria da

xelisuflebis antagonizmi, miiweros

opoziciis aqtiurobiT da dasavleTis

zewoliT miRebuli saarCevno sistema, rbilad

rom vTqvaT, maT utifrobaze metyvelebs da

CanasaxSive ganwirulia~

iSvilis pirvel nomrad dayeneba,

radgan TviT amerikis kongresSic

ki Riad alaparakdnen saqarTvelos

xelisuflebis prorusulobasa

da ivaniSvilis putinTan

farul Tu Ria kavSirebze,

rac Cveni moqalaqeebisTvis SeuiaraRebeli

TvaliTac naTelia.

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

75%-ma didi xania gaakeTa Tavisi

arCevani dasavluri kursisa

da evropasTan integraciis sasargeblod

da rusuli imperialistuli

reJimis dabrunebas qveyanaSi

aRar dauSvebs. swored amitom

biZina ivaniSvilis pirvelobam

SesaZloa, amomrCevelSi

ufro meti negativi gamoiwvios,

vidre raime sargebeli moutanos

xelisuflebas. uamravi nacnobi

da megobari myavs sajaro seqtorSi

(ganaTleba, policia, Tavdacva

da sxv.), romlebmac Tavis

droze „qarTul ocnebas” misces

xma samarTlianobis, aRmSeneblobisa

da dasavluri kursis dapirebis

gamo, razedac 2012 welsve

skeptikurad viyavi ganwyobili,

magram dRes gawbilebuli

arian. 8 wlis manZilze arc erTi

dapireba ar Sesrulda, metic _

qveyana ufskrulisken mieqaneba.

am xalxs ki Svilebi hyavT, maT

momavalze fiqroben da gansxvavebiT

wina wlebisgan araviTar

SemTxvevaSi ar miscemen xmas

„qarTul ocnebas”.

xalxi xvdeba, 8 weliwadi ngrevis

meti araferi gakeTebula,

mxolod korufcias, kriminalsa

da ukidures gaWirvebas vxedavT.

am dros ki rigi Cinovnikebi

mdidrdebian, uamravi korufciuli

sqema gaiSifra, milionobiT

laria datacebuli biujetidan.

xelisufleba ki agrZelebs sruliad

opoziciisTvis „nacionalebis”

Zaxils da isev cdilobs

saakaSvilisgan mtrisa Tu mglis

xatis Seqmnas. ori azri ar aris,

mixeil saakaSvili warmatebuli

politikosi da reformatoria,

magram saqarTveloSi ukve momwifda

situacia, rom erTpirovnuli

mmarTveloba aRarasodes

dabrundes. xalxma bevri ibrZola

mravalpartiuli arCevnebisTvis

da momavalSi koaliciuri

mTavrobis Sesaqmnelad am brZolas

Semodgomaze bolomde miiyvans.

_ sanqciebis Temas davubrundeT:

gamwvavdeba Tu ara am mi-

marTulebiT situacia? aiRebs

„qarTuli ocneba” xels Tavis

zraxvebze?

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amerikel biznesmenebs aviwroebs~

_ biZina ivaniSvilisa da „qarTuli

ocnebis” saqme iciT, rogor

aris? „mglis Tavze saxarebas

kiTxulobdnen da gamiSviT,

cxvari garbiso”. Sors var im

azrisgan, rom xelisuflebam

dasavluri direqtivebidan da

keTili Segonebebidan, romelic

bolo dros arcTu ise keTilia,

rame gaigos. „ocnebas” isedac

bolo Jami udgas, magram cudi is

aris, rom aseTi midgomiT qveynis

imiji da mosaxleoba zaraldeba.

samwuxarod, problemis

simwvaves xelisufleba adekvaturad

ver an ar aRiqvams da ganagrZobs

qveyanaSi amerikeli da

ucxoeli biznesmenebis Seviwroebasa

da maT gaZevebas. amis dasturad

kmara ganuxorcielebeli

anakliis portisa da qveynisTvis

strategiuli proeqtis CaSlac,

romelsac uamravi sikeTe unda

moetana TiToeuli moqalaqisTvis.

vfiqrob, Seusrulebeli

direqtivebis gamo sanqciebi gagrZeldeba

evropisa da msoflios

sxva safinanso institutebidanac,

miT umetes pandemiisa

da gaCerebuli ekonomikis pirobebSi

CvenTvis es daxmarebebi

sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania.

gaxsovT, albaT, april-maisSi,

mwvave pandemiis dros, evroparlamentari

kubiliusi 8 martis

SeTanxmebis Seusruleblobis gamo

iqamde miiyvanes, 500-milioniani

daxmareba dadga eWvqveS. aRar

vsaubrob koronavirusis

prevenciisTvis gamoyofil TanxebTan

dakavSirebul korufciul

sqemebze, sxvaTa Soris romeli

TanxebiTac da TemiTac xelisufleba

arCevnebisTvis Semodgomaze

apirebs xelis moTbobas.

axla is dagvrCenia, rom rogorme

noembramde miviyvanoT „qarTuli

ocneba” ise, rom isedac Selaxuli

qveynis imijis ganadgurebis

saSualeba ar mivceT da samarTlianad

SevcvaloT xelisufleba.

_ dRes yvelaze aqtiuri Tema

kriminalis matebaa. aSkaraa, rom

xelisufleba maTTan karg

damokidebulebaSia. ratom ar

awuxebs sazogadoebas krimina-

lebis parpaSi da rogor apirebs

opozicia maTTan gamklavebas?

_ calsaxaa, rom bolo ramdenime

welia, qveyanaSi kriminogenuri

viTareba gamZafrebulia da

saxelmwifos Sesabamisi institutebis

mxridan kontrols aRar

eqvemdebareba. qveyanas, faqtobrivad,

danaSaulebrivi sindikati

marTavs da maTTan daaxloebuli

kriminaluri dajgufebebic

komfortulad grZnoben

Tavs. wlebia, xelisufleba

aseT jgufebs xalxis dasaSineblad,

saprotesto talRis aRsakveTad

da arCevnebis mosagebad

warmatebiT iyenebs, maTTan

valSia da, ra Tqma unda, sasaTbure

pirobebs uqmnis.

warmoidgineT, mravali faqti

iyo, rodesac Tavad policielis

sicocxle gaxda daucveli, gax-

Sirda policielebze Tavdasxma

da Seuracxmyofeli mopyrobebi,

`xelisuflebis winaaRmdegobis miuxedavad, opoziciis erTianobam da

Tanmimdevrulobam, aqciebis rbevis, zamTarSi wylis Wavlebis, ukanono

dakavebebisa da rac mTavaria, dasavleTis mxardaWeris fonze, 8 martis

SeTanxmeba moitana, romelic, miuxedavad politpatimrad aRiarebuli

irakli oqruaSvilisa da gigi uglavas gamoSvebisa, xelisuflebam bolomde

mainc ar Seasrula, radgan patimrobaSi datova giorgi rurua~

mosaxleobisa da Cveulebrivi

moqalaqeebis diskomfortze

rom aRaraferi vTqvaT. uamravi

keTilsindisieri policieli

grZnobs Tavs Seusabamod da

tovebs samsaxurs, radgan maT

mxolod aqciebis dasaSlelad da

opoziciis sadevnad iyeneben. ise

rogorc 90-ian wlebSi kriminali

Sezrdilia policiasTan, mimdinareobs

mizanmimarTuli xelis

dafareba danaSaulebrivi

jgufebis wevrebze, romlebsac

mZime kvalifikaciis danaSaulebebSi

edebaT brali. xalxs

dakarguli aqvs ndoba samarTaldamcveli

struqturebis mimarT,

rac arakeTilsindisieri policielebis

mxridan moqalaqeebis

mimarT gaxSirebul Zaladobaze,

dafaruli Tu damaluli dana-

Saulis waxalisebasa da, Sesabamisad,

danaSaulis statistikis

gazrdaze miuTiTebs. calsaxad

es probleba sistemuria da xelisuflebis

maRali eSelonebidan

iRebs saTaves. erTaderTi

gamosavali am Cixidan xelisuflebis

Secvla da evropuli

standartebis reformebia, rac

Sesabamisad moitans qveynis ekonomikur

ganviTarebas, Zalovani

struqturebis aqtiur muSaobas,

ganaTlebis donis amaRlebas, samuSao

adgilebs, axalgazrdebis

dasaqmebas, mentaluri problemebis

aRmofxvrasa da danaSaulis

prevencias.

_ dRes mTeli saqarTvelo

dastiris giorgi SaqaraSvils.

am xelisuflebis pirobebSi bev-

ri msgavsi faqti moxda. aris Tu

ara es sazogadoebis brali,

radganac roca pirvelad miiCq-

òri azri ar aris, mixeil saakaSvili

warmatebuli politikosi da reformatoria,

magram saqarTveloSi ukve momwifda situacia,

rom erTpirovnuli mmarTveloba aRarasodes

dabrundes. xalxma bevri ibrZola

mravalpartiuli arCevnebisTvis da momavalSi

koaliciuri mTavrobis Sesaqmnelad am

brZolas Semodgomaze bolomde miiyvans~

mala mkvleloba, xma ar amoviReT,

meoredac gavCumdiT, me-

samedac...

_ giorgi SaqaraSvilis Semzaravma

mkvlelobam mTeli saqarTvelo

SeZra, rogorc, Tavis droze,

Salva TaTuxaSvilis, demur

sturuas, Temirlan maCalikaSvilis,

daTuna saraliZis, luka

siraZisa da sxva kidev mravalma

mkvlelobam. am saqmeebis mimarT

sazogadoebis interesi dRemde

ar ganelebula da maTi gamoZieba

Cveni sazogadoebis Rirsebad

mimaCnia. oRond ara am xelisuflebis

pirobebSi, romlis drosac

yvelaferi gakeTda, rom am

saqmeebis faqtobrivi garemoebebi

mTlianad Tu ara nawilobriv

ganadgurebuliyo da damnaSaveebi

dResac dausjelni dadian.

aseve xdeba „SaqaraSvilis

saqmeSic”, sadac didi sazogadoebrivi

interesi xelisuflebis

maRal eSelonebTan daaxloebuli

pirebis interesebTan

ikveTeba da varT ase WidilSi.

faqtebs mizanmimarTulad Cqmalaven,

arasaTanadod iZieben,

raTa xelisuflebis mfarvelobis

qveS moxvedrili pirebi pasuxisgebaSi

ar miecen, rogorc

es wina SemTxvevebSi moxda da sa-

Tanadod aravin dasjila.

„girgvlianis saqmiT” mosuli

ivaniSvilis xelisufleba, romelmac

wina xelisufleba samar-

Tlianad gadaiyola, radgan igi

maRali Tanamdebobis pirebsa da

maTi ojaxis wevrebs afarebda

xels, dRes gveubneba, rom opozicia

aseT saqmeebs politikuri

miznebisTvis iyenebs. diaxac, aris

TiToeuli es saqme politikuri,

radgan es aris sistemuri

problema da danaSauli. rodesac

sazogadoeba sistemis winaaRmdeg

irazmeba, romelmac danaSauli

damala da ar gamoiZia,

politikur danaSaulTan gvaqvs

saqme da aseTma xelisuflebam

Tu konkretulma Cinovnikebma

kanonis winaSe unda agon pasuxi,

rac adre Tu gvian moxdeba.

media da sazogadoeba rom

ara, xom warmogidgeniaT, xelisufleba

rogor gaayalbebda

SaqaraSvilis jer isedac burusiT

mocul saqmes. faqtia,

rom Jurnalistebis mier Catarebuli

gamoZiebis kvaldakval iwyebs

Sss axali garemoebebis

mokvlevas, rac maT araprofesionalizmsa

da mizanmimarTulad

arasaTanado gamoZiebaze

metyvelebs.

_ sportisa da politikis

gamijvnazec unda gkiTxoT. sul

gveubnebian, rom sporti poli-

tikisgan unda gavmijnoT,

Tqvenc ase fiqrobT? Toko Sen-

gelias cskaSi gadasvlaze ras

fiqrobT da ratom rTavs xelisufleba

politikaSi kunTmagar

zonderebs, romlebic, maT-

ive TqmiT, politikisgan unda

iyvnen gamijnulebi?

_ mTlianobaSi sportic, kulturac

da sxva sferoebic erTi

mTliani da maSasadame, politikuri

cxovrebis nawilia, mxolod,

aq unda gavmijnoT Sida

da gare politika. qveynis SigniT

dauSveblad mimaCnia politikuri

gemovnebiT an romelime

partiisadmi mxardaWeriT sportisa

Tu sxva sferos warmomadgenlebis

garCeva, risi momswrenic

xSirad gavmxdarvarT,

dRevandeli Tu wina xelisuflebebis

drosac, magram qveynis

winaSe ormagi pasuxismgebloba

akisriaT qveynis gareT wasul

sportsmenebs. calsaxad winaaRmdegi

var Cveni qveynis gamorCeuli

sportsmenebis ruseTSi moRvaweobisa,

miT umetes, rodesac

nakrebis kapitani xar, ruseTis

wiTeli armiis mier dafinansebuli

klubis maisuri 3 wlis ganmavlobaSi

ar unda Caicva.

zogadad, wlebia, dakvirvebuli

var da spotsmenebis umravlesobam,

vinc rusul klubebSi gadavida,

saSineli regresi ganicada.

ver getyviT, es mizanmimarTulad

rusuli politikis nawilia

qarTveli warmatebuli

sportsmenebis mimarT Tu Tavad

sportsmenebis mentalobis brali,

Tumca maTze moRalateebis

Zaxilisa da Seuracxyofis miyenebis

sastiki winaaRmdegi var.

rac Seexeba xelisuflebis

mier sportsmenebis gamoyenebas

zonderebad, eseni, ZiriTadad,

warumatebeli, upasuxismgeblo,

kunTmagari da gonebaClungi adamianebis

kastaa, romelTac

garkveuli sazRaurisa da privilegiebis

fasad xelisufleba

sakuTari xalxis winaaRmdeg iyenebs.

es individebi ki namdvilad

arian moRalateebi. rogorc yofili

sportsmeni, uamrav warmatebul

moWidaves, fexburTelsa

Tu ragbists vicnob, magram

maTi politikuri gemovnebis miuxedavad,

maTTvis namdvilad

miuRebelia msgavsi moqceva, radgan

namdvili sportsmeni saku-

Tar xalxsa da qveyanas emsaxureba

da sabednierod isini mravlad

arian saqarTveloSi.

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„Secvales” damfuZnebeli, dimi-

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tri biZinaSvili, miiCnevs, rom

„qarTul ocnebas” mxardamWerebi,

faqtobrivad, aRar darCa. misi TqmiT, mmarTvel partias is

xalxic gaemijna, romelic, jer kidev, 2-3 Tvis winaT opozi-

cias aginebda. axla isini opozicias imis gamo agineben, „ocne-

ba” xelisuflebidan ratom ver gauSviTo.

ra safrTxes grZnobs ivaniSvili?

rogor apirebs Tavis gadarCenas?

rogor aqcies sporti

kriminalur elementad xelisuflebaSi

myofma warmate-

bulma sportsmenebma? ratom

ver gabedaven xalxTan misvlas

„qarTuli ocnebis” warmomad-

genlebi? saidan unda iqnios

kalaZem muStebi? _ amis Sesaxeb

„qronika+~-s dimitri biZinaS-

vili esaubreba:

_ batono dimitri, „qarTu-

li ocnebis” saarCevno siis

pirveli nomeri SeiZleba, biZi-

na ivaniSvili iyos. gaxdeba Tu

ara oligarqi am arCevnebze

mmarTveli partiisTvis maSveli

rgoli?

_ Cemi azriT, biZina ivaniSvili

cdilobs, rom parlamentSi

SesvliT garkveuli garantiebi

miiRos. mas mxolod deputatis

imuniteti unda, winaaRmdeg

SemTxvevaSi premieris postze

dabrundeboda. Tu oligarqi

„ocnebis” siis pirveli nomeri

gaxda, es imas niSnavs, rom mas

arCevnebze ukve xeli aqvs Caqneuli.

siis saTaveSi CadgomiT

is veRar gaxdeba partiis gamwevi

Zala. elementarulad dapirebasac

ki ver miscems sazogadoebas.

erTi da imave dapirebebis

gacema rom aekrZalos,

ivaniSvils mxrebis aCeCvis meti

araferi darCeba.

_ 2018 welsac gegonaT, rom

verafers dahpirdeboda xalxs,

magram saprezidento arCevneb-

is meore turis win gamovida da

valebis Camoweris Sesaxeb amc-

no sazogadoebas.

_ amas garda xalxs dahpirda,

erTi weli macaleT da yvelafers

gamovasworebo. gamosworebis

nacvlad qveyanaSi situacia

kidev ufro gauaresda. xSirad

gvisaubria xalxis gaWirvebaze,

magram axla adamians carieli

puris yidvis saSualebac ki ar

aqvs. oficialuri statistikiT,

pandemiis gamo 120.000 dasaqmebuli

darCa umuSevari. xalxi

acnobierebs, rom „ocnebas” mxolod

gaWirveba da sikvdili

moaqvs. maT dapirebebs aRaravin

daijerebs. amas ivaniSvilic

xvdeba da cdilobs, parlamentSi

SesvliT garantiebi miiRos.

_ parlamentis rigiTi wevroba

ar examuSeba amxela mil-

iarders?

_ es Tu imis garanti iqneba,

rom arCevnebis Semdeg xels aravin

axlebs, rigiTi deputatoba

ar examuSeba. axla mas erTader-

Ti mizani amoZravebs _ Seinar-

Cunos is qoneba, rac qarTvel

xalxs waglija. amitomac fiqrobs,

rom saarCevno sias Caudg-

26

599 92 16 22 dimitri biZinaSvili:

es saTaveSi.

_ zogierTis azriT, ivaniS-

vilis pirvelnomroba maSveli

rgoli iqneba partiisTvis,

Tqveni azriT ki damarcxebis

aRiarebas niSnavs, Tan amas da-

JinebiT imeorebT.

_ gamarjvebisTvis rom

ebrZola, ityoda, me viqnebi

„ocnebis” premierobis kandidatio,

magram ar ambobs. es imaze

miuTiTebs, rom deputatoba mxolod

Tavis gadasarCenad unda.

_ cota xanSi SeiZleba Tqvas,

rom is iqneba „qarTuli ocneb-

is” premierobis kandidati.

_ 2012 welsac Tqva, premieri

viqnebio, magram 2013 wels datova

posti da CrdilSi gadainacvla.

misma sityvebma jer ma-

Sin dakarga fasi. axla saerTod

aRaravis sjera oligarqis.

_ misma sityvam SeiZleba,

fasi dakarga, samagierod, didi

fuli aqvs. xalxs, rogorc

Tqven ambobT, kidev ufro

gauWirda da am gaWirvebulebis

mosyidva xom ar gaumar-

tivdeba oligarqs?

_ ara mgonia, rom advili iyos

gaWirvebuli adamianebis mosyidva.

isinic naTlad acnobiereben,

rom Tu dRes xmaSi aiReben

20 lars, kidev 4 weli uaress

gaWirvebaSi mouwevT cxovreba.

ekonomika mxolod ki ar gaCerda,

minusebSi wavida. Cven Tu

„qarTuli ocnebis” darCenas

davuSvebT, es niSnavs, rom qveyana

gabankrotdeba. amden sagareo

vals veRar gavumklavdebiT.

cota xanSi sagareo valis

aRebasac ki ver SevZlebT. finansuri

daxmarebac Semcirdeba.

yvela vxedavT, Tu rogor aqtiuroben

amerikelebi da rogor

dagviweses sanqciebi.

_ am sanqciebis gamo xelisu-

fleba didad ar nerviulobs.

maT gancxadebebSi es ar Cans.

_ arada, Zalian bevri sanerviulo

aqvT. yvelaze meti sadardebeli

biZina ivaniSvils aqvs.

mas win udevs moldovel oligarq

ploxotniukis magaliTi. am

oligarqs „ocnebis” liderze

meti fuli hqonda, magram ras

miaRwia? _ qveynidan sadRac aris

gadaxvewili. araa gamoricxuli,

mTeli misi qoneba gayinon.

imazec midis saubari, rom misi

miliardebi moldovas gadaeces.

xvdeba „ocnebis” lideri, rom

amerikelebTan demokratobanas

TamaSi aRar gauva.

_ faqtia, rom jer isev Tama-

Sobs.

_ kidev ramdenime xani gaagr-

Zelebs demokratobanas TamaSs.

Tu gauva, xom kargi, Tu arada,

dayveba dasavleTis moTxovnas

ìvaniSvili

arCevnebis

wagebas Seegua

da usafrTxoebis

garantiebs eZebs~

da demokratiuli procesebis

ganviTarebas xels aRar SeuSlis.

aSS-isTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania,

rom saqarTveloSi

samarTliani sasamarTlo iyos;

undaT, rom politikuri niSniT

aravis sjidnen; roca saerTa-

Soriso kompaniebi Semodian qarTul

bazarze, maT problemebi

ar SeeqmnaT. dasavleli partniorebi

finansurad, ZiriTadad,

imitom gvexmarebian, rom aq

demokratiam moikidos fexi. amas

isini CvenTvis akeTeben da ara _

sakuTari TavisTvis. dasavleTi

Cvens qveyanas strategiul partniorad

miiCnevs da unda, rom

aq yvelaferi kargad iyos. demokratiisa

da samarTlianobis

gareSe ki araferi gveSveleba.

qveyanaSi arademokratiuli

procesebi Tu gagrZeldeba, es

niSnavs, rom kidev ufro gaWirdeba

cxovreba _ dasavleTi

sanqciebs daawesebs, finansur

daxmarebas veRar miviRebT. xelisufleba

Tavis madaze uars

ar ityvis. sabiujeto saxsrebs

gamoiyenebs komfortis Sesaqmnelad

da xalxisTvis araferi

darCeba. amitom unda SevcvaloT

„qarTuli ocneba” da demokratiul

gzas davadgeT. saqarTveloSi

demokratiuli procesebis

ganviTareba ivaniSvils ar

awyobs, magram mas aRar aqvs imis

resursi, rom sazogadoeba daa-

Sinos da „ocnebis” sasargeblod

miaceminos xma. sazogadoeba

ukve xdeba, rom amaT xelSi arc

qveyanas da arc maT perspeqtiva

ar gaaCniaT. erTi rame unda

gaiTvaliswinos „qarTulma ocnebamac”

da nebismierma partiam,

romelic xelisuflebaSi mova:

xalxis daSineba ar Wris. aseTi

ìsinic naTlad acnobiereben, rom Tu dRes

xmaSi aiReben 20 lars, kidev 4 weli uaress

gaWirvebaSi mouwevT cxovreba. ekonomika

mxolod ki ar gaCerda, minusebSi wavida. Cven

Tu `qarTuli ocnebis~ darCenas davuSvebT, es

niSnavs, rom qveyana gabankrotdeba. amden

sagareo vals veRar gavumklavdebiT. cota

xanSi sagareo valis aRebasac ki ver SevZlebT.

finansuri daxmarebac Semcirdeba. yvela

vxedavT, Tu rogor aqtiuroben amerikelebi da

rogor dagviweses sanqciebi~

faqtebi mis gaRizianebas iwvevs

da maTgan xelisufleba sakadriss

pasuxs Rebulobs xolme.

Cveni sazogadoeba isedac gaRizianebulia

da „ocnebas” ar vur-

Cev, rom kidev ufro daZabos

situacia.

_ sazogadoebis gansakuTrebul

gaRizianebas iwvevs mo-

matebuli kriminali, romlis

asalagmavadac xelisufleba

arafers akeTebs.

_ ukve autaneli mdgomareobaa.

sul davdivar da xalxs

vxvdebi. SemiZlia giTxraT, rom

maT „qarTuli ocnebis” danaxvac

ki aRar undaT. erT rameze yvela

vTanxmdebiT: sanam rusi

oligarqi marTavs qveyanas, aq

kargi araferi moxdeba.

_ kriminali ase ratom

gaifurCqna? Tqveni Taobis

erTi nawili ratom eziara ase-

Ti didi siamovnebiT e. w. quCis

akademias?

_ esec „qarTulma ocnebam”

moitana. „nacionalebis” dros

kriminali welSi iyo gadatexili.

xelisuflebaSi mosul „ocnebas”

mxolod qveynis ganviTarebaze

unda ezruna. amis nacvlad

miviReT Zalian mZime kriminogenuri

viTareba. isev gamoCndnen

Zveli biWebi, romlebic quCas

ulageben „qarTul ocnebas”, .

sinamdvileSi ki isini aranairi

Zveli biWebi aRar arian, aramed

sus-is „nasedkebs” warmoadgenen.

_ sus-Tan da Sss-sTan Tanam-

Sromloba maTi gagebiT xom

„grexia”?

_ adre Savi gagebis xalxisTvis

sistemasTan TanamSromloba

„grexi” iyo, axla daufaravad

TanamSromloben mas-

Tan.

_ es TanamSromloba raSi

gamoixateba?

_ bevr sferoSi TanamSromloben.

namdvili kohabitacia

aqvT. maTi TanamSromlobis na-

Tel magaliTebs ZiriTadad

arCevnebze vxedavT xolme. es

Zveli biWebi dganan siebiT xel-

Si da akontroleben, vin Sevida

da gavida ubanze. siebs susi awvdis

da es maT sulac ar utydebaT.

maTive gagebiT rom vTqvaT,

26 N15 (317) 14.07-20.07.2020 w.


òcneba~ aqamde rogor ver gauSviTo?!~

rais Savi da kai biWebi gamodian

am yvelafris Semdeg.

_ kargi biWebi saerTod ra-

tom hqviaT? kargi biWebi isini

arian, romlebic okupaciasa da

usamarTlobas aprotesteben.

_ eseni karg biWobaze arc

deben Tavs. eseni „kai biWebi”

arian da „ocnebam” eg statusic

waarTva _ „nasedkobaSi” CaiTries.

imis magivrad, rom axalgazrdebs

jansaRi cxovrebis

wesisken mouwodebdnen, eqaCebian

iq, sadac wamali, sasmeli da

ubedurebaa.

_ jansaRi cxovrebis wesi

sports ukavSirdeba, magram

bolo dros qarTuli sporti

kriminalTan

asocirdeba.

sportsmenebi Zalian cud am-

bebSi arian gaxveulebi.

_ esec „qarTuli ocnebis”

damsaxurebaa: gnebavT aRmasrulebel

da gnebavT sakanonmdeblo

organoSi uamravi

sportsmenia. isini unda dadiodnen

da axalgazrdebs jansaRi

cxovrebis wesisken mouwodebdnen.

unda STaagonebdnen,

rom Zlierma susti ar unda da-

Cagros. samwuxarod, kalaZeebi,

kobiaSvilebi, yvelaSvilebi da

sxvebi sakuTari keTildReobis

garda araferze aRar fiqroben,

sportiT dakavebul axalgazrdebs

ki zonderobisken miaTreven.

mgoni, yvelam vixileT aWareli

moWidave firuz wulukiZe,

romelic „qarTul ocnebasTan”

aris dapirispirebuli. am adamianma

sajarod, pirdapir Tqva, Tu

rogor sTxovdnen zonderjgufebSi

gawevrianebas. am iniciatviT

mas aWaris mTavrobis

meTauris mamam mimarTa, _ winasaarCevno

periodSi saagitaciod

Tu ivlida, arCevnebze,

ubnebze Tu dadgeboda, saWiroebis

SemTxvevaSi Tu iCxubebda,

amisTvis gasamrjelos miiRebda.

wulukiZem amaze uari Tqva da

maleve daakaves. xelisuflebaSi

myofi sportsmenebi xSirad

saubroben TavianT sportul

miRwevebze, magram sinamdvileSi

sportsac ar scemen pativs.

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, axalgazrdebs

zonderebad ar

aqcevdnen. maT sportsmenebi mxolod

imisTvis sWirdebaT, rom

maTi daxmarebiT oponentebs

fizikurad gauswordnen.

pirdapir eTerSi ixila mTelma

saqarTvelom, Tu ras warmoadgens

saqarTvelos Widaobis

federaciis prezidenti gega

gegeSiZe. man evropis Cempions

jaWvi daartya. axla es axalgazrda

saqarTvelos saxeliT

asparezobaze uars ambobs. amis

gamo aravin Sewuxebula, arc

moZalade prezidenti dausjiaT.

_ am viTarebaSi mTlad simpaTiurad

arc fexburTis federaciis

prezidenti gamoiyure-

ba. levan kobiaSvilis prezidentad

pirveli arCeva saswauli

iyo. adamiani mZevlad aiyvanes

da misi ganTavisuflebis san-

acvlod kobiaSvilis konkur-

`quTaisSi saerTod veRar Caadgamen fexs. qalaqs ganviTarebis saSualeba

mouspes. jer parlamenti gadmoitanes TbilisSi da axla viziari gaaqcies

qveynidan, sadac uamravi quTaiseli iyo dasaqmebuli~

entma kandidatura moxsna.

_ es samarcxvino arCevnebic

pirdapir eTerSi midioda. kala-

Zis garemocva Riad acxadebda,

Tu kobiaSvilis konkurent kandidaturas

moxsnis, davabrunebT

gatacebul adamianso. eseni

aRarc adamianebi arian da aRarc

sportsmenebi. araferSi weria,

rasac „ocnebis” wevrebi

kadruloben.

_ yvela sfero gaaubraloes

da bolos sportic Seg-

vazizRes.

_ qveyanaSi ver damisaxelebT

instituts, romelic CamoSlili

da diskreditebuli ar iyos.

erTaderTi meoTxe xelisufleba

darCa, romelic ver CamoSales.

Jurnalistebi rom ara,

„SaqaraSvilis saqmec” miiCqmaleboda.

es saqme mediis gamoZiebulia.

aman „qarTuli ocneba”

Zalian gaamwara da gadawyvita,

mediisTvis cenzori daewesebina.

xval da zeg Tqveni saqmianoba

Tu ar moewonebaT, mova viRaca

da droebiT mmarTvelad dagijdebaT.

droebiTi mmarTveli

biZina ivaniSvilis SerCeuli iqneba.

da Tqvenc dawerT imas, rac

ivaniSvils unda. faqtobrivad,

yvelgan ivaniSvilis Tvalsa da

yurs Casvamen.

_ laSa nacvliSvilma tyui-

lad xom ar ilaparaka, biZina

yvelganaao. mediaSic xom unda

iyos biZina?

_ aseTi survili aqvT. maT

undaT, rom rogorc CrdiloeT

koreaSi adideben partiis belad

kim Cen ins, aqac egre iyos. vi-

Racas es SeiZleba sasacilod

moeCvenos, magram ase araa. saqmes

arTulebs isic, rom ivaniSvils

aseTi raRacebi moswons.

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi mas gana-

Tlebis ministri eqvTime Tayai-

Svils ar Seadarebda. meeWveba,

am ministrs eqvTimeze warmodgena

hqondes, Torem massa da

oligarqs Soris paralels ar

gaavlebda. ubralod, ivaniSvils

unda, rom mas yvela eqvTimed

aRiqvamdes da ilia WavWavaZes

adarebdes. rac ar unda eZaxon

„qocebma” oligarqs ilia da eqv-

Time, xalxi ivaniSvils saamayo

qarTvelebTan ar gaaigivebs.

ilia WavWavaZec da eqvTime TayaiSvilic

qarTvel xalxsa da

saqarTvelos emsaxurebodnen. es

imazea gadasuli, rom rac Sei-

Zleba meti waglijos xalxsa da

àSS-isTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania, rom

saqarTveloSi samarTliani sasamarTlo iyos;

undaT, rom politikuri niSniT aravis sjidnen;

roca saerTaSoriso kompaniebi Semodian

qarTul bazarze, maT problemebi ar SeeqmnaT.

dasavleli partniorebi finansurad,

ZiriTadad, imitom gvexmarebian, rom aq

demokratiam moikidos fexi. amas isini

CvenTvis akeTeben da ara - sakuTari TavisTvis.

dasavleTi Cvens qveyanas strategiul

partniorad miiCnevs da unda, rom aq

yvelaferi kargad iyos. demokratiisa da

samarTlianobis gareSe ki araferi gveSveleba~

qveyanas. albaT msoflioSi bevri

ar moiZiebneba iseTi miliarderi,

romelic gaWirvebuli

xalxis kiserze cxovrobs _ xan

larad waiRebs miwis nakveTs;

Tavis Zmebsa da deidaSvils seriozul

biznesebSi uSvebs. im

sferoebs ugdebs maT xelSi,

romliTac biujeti unda ivsebodes;

Tavis ministrebs zogs

700 milions moaparinebs, zogs _

400-s; tenderebi aucileblad

misianebma unda moigon. sakadro

politika mTlad saocari aqvs:

viRac qalma kbili dauplomba

da jandacvis ministrad dasva.

es kaci saqarTvelos ise uyurebs,

rogorc erT patara sofels.

xelisuflebaSi rom movida,

xom gviTxra, erTi patara

sofeli varTo.

_ erTi patara sofeli Tu

varT, Tavad ra gamodis?

_ soflis gamgebeli gamodis.

miaCnia, rom mTeli es patara

sofeli mas unda emsaxurebodes.

am adamians isic ar esmis, rom

gamgebels ki ar unda emsaxurebodes

sofeli, aramed sofels

unda emsaxurebodes gamgebeli.

es rom asea saWiro, amas oligarqs

qarTveli xalxi Zalian

male daanaxvebs. tyuilad elodeba

xalxisgan mxardaWeras.

2012 wlidan moyolebuli, dRemde

dapirebebis gacemis meti

araferi ukeTebia. absoluturad

yvelafers dagvpirda, risi

dapirebac SeiZleboda. misi dapirebebis

mixedviT yvelani milionerebi

unda viyoT. mTlad

milionerebi Tu ara, milionerebTan

axlos unda vidgeT.

_ im kacma gviTxra, rom Cems

mosvlas xelisuflebaSi male

igrZnobT Tqvens jibeebzeo da

xom vigrZeniT?

_ misi mosvla xalxis jibeebze

Zalian cudad aisaxa. samagierod

misi Cinovnikebi gamdidrdnen.

ise gaTavxeddnen, rom

manqanebidan gadmosvlasa da

xalxTan dalaparakebasac ar

kadruloben. sul male saerTd

veRar gamovlen gareT. quCaSi

gamosaCeni piri aRar aqvT, imdeni

rame daaSaves. xalxi iseTi

gabrazebulia, xelisuflebis

magivrad Cven gveCxubeba da gvaginebs.

_ Tqven ratom?

_ xalxi brazobs, amdeni xani

xelisuflebidan rogor ver ga-

uSviTo.

_ xelisuflebas verc erTi

opozicia ver gauSvebs, Tu xa-

lxis maxardaWera ar iqna. xalxi

ki arCevnebze ar dadis.

_ iseTi gabrazebulebi arian,

am arCevnebze aucileblad wavlen.

„qarTuli ocneba” arCevnebze

naxavs xalxis Zalas. arCevnebamde

Seecdebian mosaxleobis

gulis mogebas, magram gauWirdebaT.

faqtobrivad, versad Cavlen.

quTaisSi saerTod veRar

Caadgamen fexs. qalaqs ganvi-

Tarebis saSualeba mouspes. jer

parlamenti gadmoitanes TbilisSi

da axla viziari gaaqcies

qveynidan, sadac uamravi quTaiseli

iyo dasaqmebuli.

raWidan sul kinwiskvriT gamoagdeben.

am mSvenier kuTxes

oligarqi saSinelebebs ukeTebs.

misi datborva aqvs gadawyvetili.

aWaraSic igive situaciaa.

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis

dRidan SemovliT gzas hpirdebian,

magram dapireba dapirebad

darCa. erTaderTi, rasac baTum-

Si akeTeben, korpusebs dgamen.

isea erTmaneTze midgmuli es

korpusebi, rom xalxs mzis Suqi

enatreba. kaxeTSic ar CaesvlebaT.

naxevar kaxeTs wyali ar

miewodeba. arada, am problemis

mosagvareblad aTeulobiT milioni

aqvT daxarjuli. fuli xelisuflebasTan

daaxloebuli

pirebis jibeebSi wavida, regionis

mosaxleobis didi nawili

kvlav uwylodaa. TbilisSi saerTod

gareT ar gamoesvlebaT.

kalaZis e. w. simarTlis muSts

rom CavujdeT vnaxavT, rom yvela

im mtkivneul Temaze saubrobs,

rac gulSi aqvs xinjad.

diRmis Walebi, romelic Tbilisis

filtvebia, gaanadgura. iq

ratom ar dgeba da iqidan ratom

ar iqnevs simarTlis muSts? vakelebi

saerTod gaamwara. jer xom

ar aRirsa WavWavaZis gamziris

gaxsna da simware mere naxeT,

moZraoba rom aRdgeba. warmomidgenia,

ra moxdeba, avtobusi

ukuRma rom daiwyebs siaruls.

_ arada, vake misi merad

arCeviT Zalian bednieri iyo.

_ es bedniereba kaxa kalaZem

maT cudad Semoutriala. daimaxsovreT:

WavWavaZis gamzirze

gavla SeuZlebeli iqneba. didi

zarzeimiT moawyo miwisqveSa nagavsayreli.

am nagavsayrelidanac

saWiroa nagvis amoReba da

misi gatana. rogor warmogidgeniaT

erTzolian moZraobaSi

amis gakeTeba?! manqana rom miadgeba

amosaRebad da didi xniT

mouwevT lodini vakelebs, mere

naxaven namdvil sacobs. erTma

manqanam unda imuSaos mxolod.

meti am profilis manqana ar

gvyavs. bevri rom aRar gavagr-

Zelo, Zalian mZime situaciaSia

qveyana da xelisuflebac. adamianebi,

romlebic, jer kidev, 2-3

Tvis win amaT uWerdnen mxars,

axla saSinlad agineben. es ganwyoba

arCevnebis Sedegebze aucileblad

aisaxeba.

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ratom aris aucilebeli

lustraciis kanonis miReba da

vin uSlis amas xels? rogor

xdebian titulovani sportsme-

nebi zonderebi? ratom ver

Tqva qarTulma saxelmwifom

uari bolSevizmze? ra unda

gaiTvaliswinon axalgazrda

sportsmenebma? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s mamuka

giorgaZe esaubreba:

_ batono mamuka, Tqven ragbisti

iyaviT da iciT rag-

bistebis mentaliteti. isini

arasdros

asocirdebodnen

moZaladeebTan. dRes ki sxvag-

varad aris saqme. roca adami-

anze amboben, rom ragbisti an

moWidavea, yvela fiqrobs, rom

is moZaladea. rogor mivida

saqme aqamde?

_ ragbistebi da moWidaveebi

sadamsjelo razmad ar Camoyalibebulan.

viRacas awyobs, rom

saqarTveloSi aRar darCes wminda

adgili. viRaca Zalian cdilobs,

rom saqarTveloSi aRar

arsebobdes pativsacemi wre

adamianebisa. Segnebulad xdeba

mTeli rigi institutebis diskreditacia.

erTi da ori damnaSavis

gamo yvela ar unda gailanZRos.

ras hqvia, ragbistebi

cudi xalxia?! ras hqvia, sportsmenebi

damnaSaveebi arian?!

_ danaSauls Tu sCadian, ar

arian damnaSaveebi? raki spo-

rtsmenebi arian, Tvali unda

davxuWoT maT mier Cadenil

danaSaulze?

_ danaSaulis Cadenaze Tvali

ar unda davxuWoT, dana-

Sauls vinc Caidens, yvela unda

daisajos, _ dargsa da profesias

mniSvneloba ar aqvs. minda,

yvelam icodes, rom damnaSavea

konkretuli adamiani da ara

mTlianad sfero. Tundac 10

uRirsi kacis gamo rogor Sei-

Zleba, mTel mimarTulebasa da

dargs miayeno Seuracxyofa?!

am yvelafris ukan politikur

qveteqsts vxedav. gamodian

viTom politikosebi da

dauRalavad lanZRaven mTel

dargs. eqimebSic arian uRirsebi

da ra vqnaT, gamovideT da

viyviroT, rom eqimebi cudebi

arian? msgavsi qmedeba arc erTi

sferos warmomadgenelze ar

SeiZleba. amiT kidev erTxel

iTeseba zizRi da siZulvili.

ramdenime adamianma Tu arasworad

iCxuba, amis gamo ragbis

mTel ojaxs Seuracxyofa ratom

unda miayeno? konkretul

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`saqarTveloSi moZalade

qarTul sports sakmaod mZime

Sorena marsagiSvili

dReebi udgas. „qarTuli ocneb-

599 92 16 22

is” ganxorcielebuli „reformebis”

wyalobiT dRes sportsmenebi

zonderebTan da kriminalebTan asocirdebian. amaSi saku-

Tari wvlili Tavad sportsmenebmac Seitanes. arada, rogorc

erovnuli moZraobis erT-erTi lideri, mamuka giorgaZe

gviyveba, romelic ragbs TamaSobda, kunTmagar xalxs yvela

xelisufleba iyenebda oponentebTan sabrZolvelad. mas kargad

axsovs, Tu rogor gamoiyvanes erovnuli moZraobis mit-

ingis dasarbevad „aias” ragbistebi. darbeva mxolod imitom

ver Sedga, rom ragbistebi erovnuli moZraobis mxaresac

iyvnen da maT erTmaneTze xelis aRmarTva ar isurves.

adamianebze ilaparake. Cemi Taobis

ragbistebSi msgavsi rameebi

ar yofila. Cvens drosac iyo

Cxubi, magram aravin daCagrula,

arc zedmetad gamogviyenebia

Cveni kunTebi. sisastike saer-

Tod gamoricxuli iyo.

_ ramdenime kaci erT kacze

gaiwevda Tqvens dros?

_ gamoricxulia! Cven romc

gveCxuba, meore dRes es yvelaferi

morigebiTa da erTmaneT-

Tan CaxutebiT mTavrdeboda.

axla dapirispireba sul sxvanairad

sruldeba. Cven yvelani

unda davfiqrdeT, Tu ram migviyvana

aqamde. gasarkvevia, ratom

wamovida axalgazrdebSi ase-

Ti sisastike. saSineleba moxda,

Tavis droze, xoravas quCaze da

axla ukve aragvis xidebTan. aucileblad

unda gavigoT mizezi,

Tu ratom uswordebian

axalgazrdebi ase daundoblad

erTmaneTs? ratom arian adamianebi

ase gaborotebulebi? meore

ubedurebaa is, rom aseT

tragediebsac ki media da politikosebi

saTavisod iyeneben.

saboloo jamSi, Cven viRebT

destabilizacias. TiTqos yvelaferi

keTdeba imisTvis, rom

qveyanaSi simSvide ar iyos. jojoxeTSi

asea, rom yvelas Tavisi

wili muguzali miaqvs, raTa

iq kargad gizgizebdes cecxli.

destabilizaciis Sesaqmnelad

yvelas migvaqvs Cveni wili muguzali

da ver vxvdebiT, rom am

cecxliT yvela viwvebiT da is

kupric yvelas gvesxmeba. rac

mTavaria, zaraldeba saxelmwifo.

Cven axla swored am procesebTan

gvaqvs saqme. meti sifrTxilisa

da windaxedulebis

gamoCenaa saWiro.

_ isev sports davubrundeT:

ratom gadaiqcnen am sferos

konkretuli warmomadgenlebi

moZaladeebad? komunistebi

iyenebdnen sportsmenebs ero-

vnuli moZraobis winaaRmdeg?

_ sportsmenebs yovelTvis

iyenebdnen saTavisod, magram

sporti sul sxva ramea. eklesiaze

amaRlebuli dawesebuleba

ar arsebobs, magram iqac ki

moiZebneba ramdenime uRirsi.

yvela ojaxs hyavs erTi cudi,

gamonaklisi verc sporti iqneba.

samwuxarod, aseTi uRirsi

sportsmenebi yovelTvis hyavda

saqarTvelos. iseTi xalxi sCadioda

uRirs saqciels, ver

warmoidgenT. Zalian gagikvirdebaT,

maT vinaobas rom gaigebT.

mamuka giorgaZe:

`cixeebSi

patimrebis

gaupatiureba

sportsmenebis

saxels

ukavSirdeba~

_ viszea saubari, SegiZliaT

gviTxraT?

_ gvarebis dasaxelebisgan

Tavs Sevikaveb, magram Zalian

cnobil sportsmenebze vsaubrob.

isini msoflios Cempionebi

iyvnen. am aTletebs qarTvelma

xalxma Zeglebi daudga. es xalxi,

Tavis droze, „enkavedeSi”

muSaobda da patimrebis cemaSi

monawileobda.

_ amis Sesaxeb, albaT, bevr-

ma ar icis, Torem Zeglebs

rogor daudgamdnen?!

_ araa es sportis sferoSi

damaluli ambavi. roca aseTi

mwameblebis Zeglebi gvidgas da

isini gmirebad gvyavs gamocxaebuli,

maSin axalgazrdebis Cxubic

nuRar gvikvirs. am viTarebaSi

saukeTeso gamosavali lustraciaa.

lustracia imitom ki

ar minda, rom viRacebi davsajoT

Zveli codvebisTvis, raRacebi

unda vicodeT, Tundac imisTvis,

rom mere mooZaladeebis

Zeglebi aRar davdgaT da

Taobebs ar vuCiCinoT, amaT magaliTze

unda gaizardoTo.

_ bevri saxelovani sports-

meni iyo moZalade?

_ samwuxarod, mravlad iyvnen.

patimrebis gaupatiurebac

sportsmenebis saxels ukavSirdeba.

_ axla Tu komunistebis

dros?

_ komunistebis dros da ama-

Si Zalian cnobili gvarebi arian

gareuli. vimeoreb, rom saWiroa

lustracia. lustracia

saWiroa imisTvis, rom xval ar

ganmeordes is, rac iyo guSin.

rodesac Cven am movlenaze ar

vsaubrobT da informacia ar

gamogvaqvs, nuRar gvikvirs, rom

ramdenime naZirala dResac aRmoCndes

sportis ama Tu im

saxeobaSi. magram es aranairad

ar amarTlebs imas, rom mTel

`yvela moWidave da ragbisti rom moZaladed

da kriminalad gamoacxades, aTasobiT

axalgazrdis galanZRvaa, aba, ra aris!

sportze aTeulobiT aTasi axalgazrda dadis

- isini varjiSoben da sjeraT, rom xval da zeg

warmatebas miaRweven da samSoblos asaxeleben.

ramdenime naZirala sportsmenis gamo

axalgazrdebisa da bavSvebis lanZRva CemTvis

kategoriulad miuRebelia~

saxeobas vaginoT. TvalSi sacemia,

rom ragbsa da Widaobas is

xalxi lanZRavs yvelaze metad,

romelic Tavis droze aris msgavs

raRacebSi SemCneuli.

_ amaTi warsuli dRes dana-

Saulis Camdenebs ver gaama-

rTlebs.

_ ra Tqma unda. magitom viTxov

lustracias, rom axalgazrdebma

aRar dauSvan Secdomebi

da mcdar gzas ar daadgnen.

Zalian mZime da seriozuli Temaa.

movuwodeb sazogadoebas,

rom amaze davfiqrdeT. saxarebaSi

aris aseTi sityvebi: Tqven

Zeglebs udgamT mamebs, romlebmac

winaswarmetyvelebi daxoces.

Cvenc im xalxs vudgamT Zeglebs,

romlebmac siwmindeebi

Seuracxyves, imaT vcemT pativs,

vinc saqarTveloSi didi sibin-

Zureebi Semoitanes. aseT xalxs

mediac diTirambebs umReris.

roca maT sazogadoeba taSs ukravs,

ragbistis an moWidavis

umsgavso qmedeba ratomRa gikvirs?

miaRwevs viRac msoflio

Cempionobas da ramdenime wlis

Semdeg cixeSi an policiaSi zonderad

imuSavebs. SesaZloa,

arc xalxis gamaupatiureblad

muSaobaze Tqvas uari. aseTi

raRacebi CvenTvis ucxo, samwuxarod,

ar aris. yvelaze didi

ubedureba isaa, rom politikosebi,

es marTla agentebi da naZiralebi,

sargebloben am faqtoriT

da realur problemaze

saubris nacvlad, moWidaveebsa

da ragbistebs lanZRaven.

_ realur problemaSi ras

gulisxmobT?

_ imas, rom sabWouri sistema

dRemde ver davamarcxeT

qveyanaSi. isev sabWoTa sistemiT

imarTeba saxelmwifo. sab-

WoTa sistemis gadmonaSTia

agentura da zonderebi. kun-

Tebs isev aradaniSnulebisamebr

iyeneben. amaze unda iyos

dRes yuradReba mimarTuli. es

viTom politikosebi ki aTasobiT

axalgazrdas lanZRaven.

_ aTasobiT axalgazrda ro-

dis galanZRes?

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aTletebis Zeglebi dgas~

_ yvela moWidave da ragbisti

rom moZaladed da kriminalad

gamoacxades, aTasobiT axalgazrdis

galanZRvaa, aba, ra aris!

sportze aTeulobiT aTasi

axalgazrda dadis _ isini varjiSoben

da sjeraT, rom xval

da zeg warmatebas miaRweven da

samSoblos asaxeleben. ramdenime

naZirala sportsmenis gamo

axalgazrdebisa da bavSvebis

lanZRva CemTvis kategoriulad

miuRebelia. arc is mesmis, rogorc

SeiZleba saerTaSoriso

sportul organizaciebSi iCivlo

imis gamo, rom erTi-orma

adamianma raRaca daaSava? amis

gamo xval SeiZleba, aTasobiT

axalgazrdas problema Seuqmnan.

_ ranairad?

_ monawileoba Tu agvekrZala

saerTaSoriso turnirebze,

es bavSvebsa da axalgazrdebs

yovelgvar motivacias daukargavs.

ramdenime naZiralas nu

gadavayolebT nurc qveyanas da

nurc axalgazrdebis momavals.

_ saerTaSoriso federaciebSi

Civili TqvenTvis miuRebe-

lia da imaze ras ityviT, rom

federaciebi moZalade sportsmenebs

ar gmoben da maT ar emijnebian?

es xom xalxis mrisx-

anebas odnav mainc gaanelebda?

_ me maTgan sxvanairad moqcevas

arc velodi. saqarTvelo

dRemde sabWouri sistemiT

imarTeba. sabWoTa gadmonaSTia

es sportuli federaciebic.

dRemde ver amixsnia, Tu ratom

arian parlamentis wevrebi federaciebis

prezidentebi? ratom

aris dRemde klanuri sistema?

ratom ar ganviTarda politikuri

infrastruqtura? ai,

esaa umTavresi probleebi. amis

aRmofxvra TiToeul Cvenganzea

damokidebuli.

_ Tqven ramdenjerme axseneT

lustracia. marto sportis

sferoSi iTxovT lustr-

irebas, Tu am kanonis miReba

gsurT?

_ marto sportSi ara, saswrafod

da aucileblad unda

miviRoT kanoni lustraciis

Sesaxeb. es imisTvis ar xdeba,

rom viRacas angariSi gavusworoT.

Zveli ambebis gasajaroeba

imitom aris saWiro,

rom momavalSi axalgazrdebma

ar gaakeTon igive. momavalma

Cempionebma unda gaacnobieron,

rom araferi daimaleba da maT

aravin scems pativs, Tu xalxisa

da qveynis winaaRmdeg wavlen.

es sxvadasxva sferos warmomadgenlebs,

maT Soris, politikosebsac

exeba.

qveynisa da xalxis winaaRmdeg

wasvla aravis unda epatios.

is, vinc sxva qveynis interesebs

emsaxureba sakuTaris

sazianod, verasdros iqneba dafasebuli.

orjonikiZeoba samarcxvino

unda iyos. gvar orjonikiZes

arafers verCi. Zalian

bevri axlobeli myavs orjonikiZeebSi.

`ramdenime adamianma Tu arasworad iCxuba, amis gamo ragbis mTel ojaxs

Seuracxyofa ratom unda miayeno? konkretul adamianebze ilaparake. Cemi

Taobis ragbistebSi msgavsi rameebi ar yofila. Cvens drosac iyo Cxubi,

magram aravin daCagrula, arc zedmetad gamogviyenebia Cveni kunTebi.

sisastike saerTod gamoricxuli iyo~

erTic unda iTqvas, rom moRalated

mxolod orjonikiZe

iTvleba da maxaraZe. arada,

Zalian bevr gvars hyavs gamyidveli

da moRalate. ubralod,

eseni gaxdnen Ralatis simboloebi.

komunizmi, rogorc ideologia,

davamTavreT. aseve davasruleT

marqsizm-leninizmi. samagierod,

bolSevizms, rogorc

cxovrebis wess, ver SevelieT.

uari arc kerpTayvanismcemlobaze

gviTqvams. arc imaze vambobT

uars, rom, ratomRac, mxolod

erTi partiaa reformebis

TavSi. am erT partias surs

qveynis keTildReoba da danar-

Ceni yvela mteria.

_ isev lustraciis Temas

davubrundebi. ratom ver miiRo

saqarTvelom kanoni lus-

traciis Sesaxeb? ramdenime

mowvevis parlamentSi daiwyo

am Temaze saubari, magram

uSedegod.

_ am kanonis miReba ver xerxdeba

imitom, rom umravlesobaSi

yovelTvis iseTi adamianebi

iyvnen, romlebsac lustraciis

kanonis miReba ar awyobdaT.

_ arc axla Rebuloben da

axlac aseTi xalxia umravle-

sobaSi?

_ ra Tqma unda! saqarTvelo-

Si am kanonis miReba Zalian

rTuli iqneba, magram mis gareSe

`gvarebis dasaxelebisgan Tavs Sevikaveb, magram

Zalian cnobil sportsmenebze vsaubrob. isini

msoflios Cempionebi iyvnen. am aTletebs

qarTvelma xalxma Zeglebi daudga. es xalxi,

Tavis droze, ènkavedeSi~ muSaobda da

patimrebis cemaSi monawileobda~

qveynis ganviTareba Seferxdeba.

gamudmebiT ilaparakeben, rom

sportsmenebi zonderebi arian.

_ am kanons, savaraudod, ki-

dev didxans ar miiReben. Tqven,

rogorc yofili sportsmeni,

ras urCevdiT axalgazrdebs,

romlebic sportis sxvadasxva

saxeobaSi varjiSoben?

_ am axalgazrdebs minda

vuTxra: me da Cemi Taobis ragbistebma

yvelaferi gavakeTeT

imisTvis, rom damoukidebeli

da normaluri saxelmwifo

gvqonoda. rogor SevZeliT, es

sxva saqmea, magram Cven Tavi ar

dagvizogavs. vibrZodiT rogorc

sportul moedanze, aseve

mis miRma. Cven yvelgan gagvqonda

qarTuli Rirebulebebi. Cven

rusTavelze mTavari lelos

dadebaSic miviReT monawileoba.

maqsimalurad vicavdiT

saqarTvelos damoukideblobisa

da erovnulobis ideas.

axali Taoba, axali formebiT,

axali leqsikiT, Zveli SemarTebiTa

da axali energiiT

unda Seecados qveynisTvis

brZolas. yvelaferi gaakeTon,

raTa ar wamoegon dRes SemoTavazebul

xrikebs. aseTi xrikebi

Cvens drosac mravlad iyo.

Cven am xrikebisgan Tavis daRweva

SevZeliT. saqarTveloSi Cxubi

yovelTvis iqneba da viRaceebic

gailaxebian. mTavaria,

usamarTlod aravis daartyan

xeli. sasikvdilod gametebaze

saerTod aRar vlaparakob. axalgazrdebma

sisastike saer-

Tod unda daiviwyon. bodiSis

moxda da Secdomis aRiarebac

unda SeeZloT maT.

_ Tqven ixdidiT xolme bo-

diSs?

_ Cveni Taoba amiT cxovrobda

_ arc danaSaulis aRiareba

gviWirda da arc bodiSis moxda.

sisastike da usamarTloba

gamoricxuli iyo. ragbis sulia

aseTi. ragbi aseTi mxolod

saqarTveloSi ar aris: irlandieli,

qarTveli, axalzelandieli

Tu sxva ragbistis fsiqologia

erTmaneTisgan ar gansxvavdeba.

es sul sxva samyaroa.

_ ragbi Cvenc sxva samyaro

gvegona da amitom gagvikvirda,

rom ragbistebi Zaladobriv

qmedebebSi monawileoben.

_ uRirsi Svilisgan arc er-

Ti ojaxi ar aris dazRveuli.

am xalxsac sWirdeba dalaparakeba

da SemoZaxili, danarCens

ki _ motivacia. mivmarTav politikosebs:

nu vacdunebT am bi-

Webs! 1988 wlis 10 dekembers

erovnuli moZraobis mitingi

gaimarTa quTaisSi. am mitingis

dasarbevad maSindelma xelisuflebam

quTaisis „aias” garkveuli

Semadgenloba gamoiyvana.

_ ragbis gund „aiazea”

saubari?

_ diax. maT rigebSi iyo aw gardacvlili

duglas kavTelaSvili.

raikomis mdivanma da „kagebem”

daavales da gamovidnen,

magram dasarbevad xeli ar aRumarTavT.

_ ratom Seikaves Tavi?

_ Cveni moeridaT. ragbistebi

erovnul moZraobaSic viyaviT

da quTaisSi mitingis Casatareblad

Cvenc wavediT. Cven

rom dagvinaxes, SercxvaT. ragbistebi

xom erTi ojaxi varT.

quTaisSi arc darbeva yofila

im mitingze da arc sxva raime

saxis garTuleba. arada, Tavidan

raRac agresia wamovida iqi-

Ta mxridan. Semdeg yvelaferi

dawynarda. aseTi rameebi CemTvis

axali araa. mcdeloba imisa,

rom gamoiyeno kunTmagari adamianebi,

yvela xelisuflebas

eqneba. xelisufleba sxva sferos

warmomadgenlebsac iyenebs

xolme saTavisod. esec miuRebelia.

Cemi Taobis ragbis Temi

ar gayofila. Cven ar gavmxdarvarT

ama Tu im partiis momxreebi.

_ dRes ragbis TemSi am mxrivac

ar aris saxarbielo vi-

Tareba.

_ dRes ragbis Temi gayofis

pirasaa. me am safrTxes naTlad

vxedav. viRaca amas Zalian cdilobs.

_ ra mcdelobebzea saubari?

_ partiul klanebad da Sida

partiul klanebad dayofis

mcdelobebi mimdinareobs. ase-

Ti rame ragbisTvis damRupvelia.

_ aseTi gayofa sportis nebismieri

saxeobisTvis aris dam-

Rupveli.

_ amitom movuwodeb yvelas,

rom Tavi davaneboT am axalgazrdebs.

politikosebi saer-

Tod ar unda gaekaron sportsa

da xelovnebas. samagierod, yvela

erTad unda CaverToT politikaSi,

oRond standartebis

dacviT.

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ras unda velodoT irakli

kobaxiZis mier daanonsebuli

Tamami dapirebebisgan? vin da ra-

tom agdebs kaxeTSi yurZnis fass?

risi imedi aqvs opozicias? ram-

denad axerxeben xelisuflebis

winaaRmdeg erTiani frontiT

brZolas? aris Tu ara saSiSi

oligarqis fuli? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb Saqro terteraSvili

„qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ gasul kviras irakli kobax-

iZem dagvianonsa, wels arCevnebze

Tamami dapirebebi gveqnebao. Tqve-

ni azriT, ras unda dahpirdnen

amomrCevels?

_ Tamami dapirebebi arc adre

akldaT, araTamami dapireba maTgan

arc momismenia. dapirebebis gacema

kargad exerxebaT, magram maTi

Sesruleba uWirT. vfiqrob, welsac

rame axal zRapars moifiqreben,

SeiZleba, arc moifiqron. kobaxiZis

gancxadeba Tamam dapirebebze

mimarTuli iyo momxreebis gulis

mosagebad. meeWveba, kidev

vinmes sjerodes amaTi sityvebis.

saerTod ucnauria, xalxs rom

hpirdebi, dapirebebs gavcemo.

_ gasul kviras premierma JurnalistebTan

saubarSi ar gamor-

icxa, rom „qarTuli ocnebis”

saarCevno siis pirveli nomeri

SeiZleba biZina ivaniSvili iyos.

es xom araa mmarTveli partiis

Tamami dapireba?

_ esec raRac fandia. am gancxadebiT

Zvel momxreebs, romlebic

„qarTul ocnebaze” ganawyenebuli

arian uTxres, _ ivaniSvili brundeba

aqtiur politikaSi da Tqvenc

SemogvierTdiTo. aseTi rame gaakeTes

2018 wlis saprezidento

arCevnebis meore turis winac. ma-

Sin acxadebdnen, 2012 wlis gvardia

gverdiT unda davudgeT „qar-

Tul ocnebaso”. axlac aseTi rame

unda mzaddebodes. ar gamovricxav,

rom ivaniSvili marTlac iyos

maTi saarCevno siis pirveli nomeri.

Tamam da urcxv dapirebebs masze

ukeTesad veravin iZleva. ise-

Ti dapirebis gasacemad, romelsac

arasdros Seasruleb, utifrobis

didi resursia saWiro. es resursi

biZina ivaniSvils sakmarisze meti

aqvs.

_ xalxis guli rom moigon,

Zalian bevr rames unda dahpirdnen.

TiTqmis yvela sferoSi Cavar-

dnebia. qveyana wyals miaqvs da

mosaxleobis did nawils sasmeli

wyali ar aqvs. am mxriv Zalian

Wirs kaxeTSi. amaze Tqven xSirad

werT xolme socialur qselSi.

_ wylis problema mxolod kaxeTs

ar awuxebs, mTeli saqarTvelo

am dReSia. wyali rom mivides mosaxleobamde,

amisTvis arafers

akeTeben da am dros televizoridan

yovel wams geZaxian, xelebi

daibaneTo. roca wyali ar modis,

rogor daibanos xalxma xelebi?

qveyanaSi rom wyalmomaragebis ase-

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ìvaniSvils bevri fuli aqvs,

parlamentis yofilma Tavmj-

Sorena marsagiSvili

domarem da aw ukve „qarTuli oc-

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nebis” spikerma irakli kobaxiZem

migvaCvia, rom misgan saswauli

rameebi unda movisminoT. mis mier gasul kviras gakeTebuli

gancxadeba TviT irakli kobaxiZisTvisac ki nametani iyo. naspik-

eralma gviTxra, „ocnebas” Tamami dapirebebi eqneba saarCevn-

odo. biZina ivaniSvilis partia mokrZalebuli dapirebebiT arc

aqamde gamoirCeoda, aqedan gamomdinare, yvela daintrigda, mag

dapirebebze Tamami ra unda iyoso. „nacionaluri moZraobis”

wevri Saqro terteraSvili fiqrobs, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

raime gansakuTrebuls ar SesTavazebs amomrCevels.

Ti deficitia, amas xelisuflebis

upasuxismgeblobiT avxsni mxolod.

_ kaxeTSi wyalmomaragebis

gaumjobesebaze milionebia dax-

arjuli, magram wyali mainc ar

aris. amaze pasuxs aravin iTxovs?

_ milionebi ki ara, aTeulobiT

milionebia daxarjuli. imis nacvlad,

rom saqme gakeTdes piriqiT

xdeba. wesi aseTia, fuls rom xarjav,

iq saqmec unda gaakeTo da

Sedegic dado. amaT SemTxvevaSi ki

piriqiTaa, fuls xarjaven, rom

damatebiTi problemebi Seiqmnas.

magaliTisTvis, axmetaSi wyalmomaragebaze

10 milioni lari daxarjes,

wyali araa. Tavidan es proeqti

6 milioni jdeboda, magram imdenad

gaweles droSi, rom laris

kursi davarda da 8 milionis

gamoyofa gaxda saWiro. cota xan-

Si rva milionic ar eyoT da kidev

ori milionis damateba mouwiaT.

saboloo jamSi, 10-milionian kontraqts

moaweres xeli. ase davxarjeT

axmetaSi 10 milionze meti, magram

wylis nacvlad gadaTxrili

quCebi SegvrCa xelT. zogan Cakerebulia

gzebi, zogan gruntis gzaa,

aris mtveri da ubedureba. wyals

ki araferi eSvela.

_ es gadaTxrili quCebi ara-

feri iqneba im xidTan SedarebiT,

romelic pankisSi gaakeTes. am xidamde

misasvlelad wyalze gade-

buli rkinis konstruqcia unda

gaiaro, romelic mosaxleobam

gaakeTa.

_ xidi araa erTaderTi saocreba,

rac axmetaSi xdeba. es aris upasuxismgeblo

xelisuflebis xelwera,

romelsac piradi keTildReobis

garda araferi ainteresebs. am

mxriv axmeta gamonaklisi araa. msgavss

saswaulebs saqarTvelos yvela

regionSi ixilavT.

_ sadRac or TveSi kaxeTSi

rTveli daiwyeba da adgilobrivi

mevenaxeebi tradiciuli problemis

winaSe dadgebian _ sad Caabar-

on yurZeni da ra iqneba misi fasi.

premierma giorgi gaxariam Tqva,

rom kilogrami yurZnis fasi 80

TeTrze naklebi ar iqnebao.

_ giorgi gaxarias gancxadeba,

kilogram yurZens 80 TeTrze naklebad

aravin Caibarebso, imas niSnavs,

rom yurZnis fasi 80 TeTrze

meti ar iqneba. cota xanSi ki yurZnis

fasi daecema.

_ ratom daecema?

_ qarxnebi daagdeben fass. Tavidan

ityvian, rom 80 TeTrad ibareben.

mere 70 TeTrze Camovlen. SarSan

aseTi rame moxda, glexebs eubnebodnen,

rom Seni yurZeni dasetyvilia

da Sereulia jiSebio,

zogs uTxres, rom dabali iyo

yurZnis Saqrianoba, zogze piriqiT

Tqves, maRalia Saqrianobao. am mizezebis

mogoneba imisTvis sWirdebaT,

rom fasi daagdon. mevenaxes

etyvian, Cven ki vixdiT kilogram-

Si 80 TeTrs, magram Seni yurZeni

im parametrebs srulad ar akmayofilebs,

raSic am Tanxas vixdiT

da sul rom ise ar darCe, kilogramSi

60 TeTrs gadagixdiTo.

_ mevenaxeebi Tanxmdebian am

winadadebas?

_ sxva gza, ubralod, ar aqvT,

yurZnis sxvagan waRebiT da iqiTaqeT

tarebiT produqts wveni gasdis,

wonas kargavs, xarisxi uaresdeba.

glexi iZulebuli xdeba, 60

TeTrs dasTanxmdes. SarSan ase iyo

da welsac igive ganmeordeba. gasul

wels bevrma mevenaxem kilogrami

yurZeni 50 TeTrad Zlivs Caabara.

_ SarSan yurZenze fasis dagde-

bas Tqven biZina ivaniSvilis Zmas,

adikos ukavSirebdiT, romelsac

kaxeTSi spirtis qarxnebi aqvs. am-

bobdiT, rom mis interesebSi iyo

yurZenSi rac SeiZleba dabali

fasis gadaxda, raTa meti mogeba

darCenoda.

_ axlac ase iqneba. adiko ivaniSvils

arc qarxana gauyidia, arc

fulis Sovnis survili daukargavs

da resursic aqvs, rom Tavisi

gaitanos. welsac isev ise daagdeben

yurZnis fass. 80 TeTric mxolod

imitom Tqves, rom saarCevno

welia, Torem SarSan Tavidan 70

TeTrad ibarebdnen yurZens. „qarTuli

ocnebis” wevrebs uyvarT

xolme imis wamoZaxeba, raRac xom

mainc keTdebao. swored amis narativSi

undaT imis Casma, rom Sar-

SandelTan SedarebiT 10 TeTriT

mets gadaixdian kilogram yurZen-

Si. am pandemiis gamo saerTaSoriso

bazari daketilia, amitom yurZenze

didi moTxovna ar iqneba da rogorc

undaT, iseT fasad Caibareben.

_ am faqtors arCevnebze xalxis

mosasyidad xom ar gamoiy-

eneben?

_ swored magitom Tqves 80

TeTri. arCevnebi rom ar iyos, 40

TeTrad Caibarebdnen. ase Tu gaakeTeben,

xalxi iseT dReSia, Sesa-

Zloa, arCevnebamdec ki ver miaRwios.

axla Tavis koordinatorebs

salaparako gauCines. isinic dairbenen

soflebs da ityvian, msoflioSi

koronas gamo yvelaferi gaCerebulia,

magram Cven SarSand-

àdiko ivaniSvils arc qarxana gauyidia, arc

fulis Sovnis survili daukargavs da resursic

aqvs, rom Tavisi gaitanos. welsac isev ise

daagdeben yurZnis fass. 80 TeTric mxolod

imitom Tqves, rom saarCevno welia, Torem

SarSan Tavidan 70 TeTrad ibarebdnen yurZens~

elTan SedarebiT 10 TeTriT mets

vixdiT yurZenSio. sinamdvileSi,

SarSandeli 70 TeTri bevrad meti

iyo, vidre axlandeli 80 TeTria.

aqamde venaxSi samuSaod Tu erTi

manqaniT midioda 5 muSa, axla ori

manqaniT unda wavidnen. koronobisas

xelisuflebam suleluri

akrZalvebi Semoitana da amdeni adamiani

ver dasxdeba erT manqanaSi.

mouwevT ori manqaniT wasvla. benzinic

meti daexarjebaT. venaxis

movlis xarjebi Zalian gaizarda.

ase rom, am 80 TeTriT xalxis guls

ver moigeben.

_ ratom xarT darwmunebuli,

rom ver moigeben?

_ xSiri kontaqti maqvs mosaxleobasTan

da vici, ras fiqrobs.

erTi kmayofili adamianic ki ver

vnaxe. kmayofileba mxolod sabiujeto

seqtorSi dasaqmebulebs

etyobaT. xalxi da „qarTuli ocneba”

didi xnis win dascilda erTmaneTs.

_ xalxi da „ocneba” 2018 welsac

dacilebuli iyo erTmaneTis-

gan, magram maSin xelisuflebam

xaxviTa da kartofiliT SeZlo

amomrCevlis mosyidva. axla ufro

uWirs xalxs da mosyidvis Sanseb-

mac xom ar moimata?

_ yvela verc 2018 wels moisyides.

xalxs xmebi xaxvsa da kartofilSi

gaucvales, es xelisuflebis

simdableze metyvelebs. imdenad

daecnen, rom sakuTar mosaxleobas

aseTi ram akadres. mosyidvaze arc

axla ityvian uars. Cven unda gvaxsovdes,

rom yvela erTnairi araa

da viRac gaiyideba. „qarTul ocnebas”

SesaZloa, viRacam erTi

boTli ludis sanacvlod misces

xma, rac arafers niSnavs.

_ opozicia ramdenad aris

arCevnebis mosagebad mobilizebu-

li? SeZlebT erTiani frontiT

brZolas „qarTuli ocnebis”

winaaRmdeg?

_ me mxolod kaxeTis magaliTze

SemiZlia vilaparako: konstituciaSi

Sesuli cvlilebebiT kaxeTi

or maJoritars irCevs. axmeta-Telavi-lagodexi

aris erTi saarCevno

olqi, sadac opozicia Zalian

Sexmatkbilebulad vmuSaobT. darwmunebiT

SemiZlia giTxraT, rom aq

„qarTul ocnebas” beWebze davd-

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Saqro

terteraSvili:

`ramdenime

TveSi

`qarTul

ocnebas~

politikur

sanagveze

ixilavT~


magram yvelas ver moisyidis~

ebT.

_ am saarCevno olqSi mTeli

opozicia erTiani xarT?

_ opoziciaSi Tu irma iinaSvilis

„patriotTa alianssa” da sxva

rusul elementebs gulisxmobT,

maSin ar varT erTianebi. magaT me

opoziciad arc aRviqvam.

_ arada, isinic opozicias war-

modgenen.

_ CemTvis isini xelisuflebis

sateliti da opoziciis opozicia

aris. xelisuflebis opozicia vinc

varT, isini Zalian kargad da Sexmatkbilebulad

vmuSaobT. yvela

vacnobierebT, rom erTi sabrZolo

gvaqvs, erTianobis gareSe am xelisuflebas

ver gavistumrebT.

Cveni erToblivi muSaobis Sedegebs

yvelani naxavT Semodgomaze.

sul ramdenime TveSi „qarTul ocnebas”

politikur sanagveze ixilavT.

_ „qarTuli ocneba” ase iolad

Seegueba am ambavs? regionebSi

opoziciis mxardamWerebi Civian,

rom xelisufleba maTze zewolas

axorcielebs. kaxeTSi ra xdeba am

mxriv?

_ am mxriv arc kaxeTia gamonaklisi.

zewolebic saxeze gvaqvs. xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi

ukve suraTebiani siebiT xelSi

darbian. yvela meTods xmaroben,

rom Zalaufleba SeinarCunon, magram

damerwmuneT, araferi gamouvaT.

_ suraTebian siebSi ras

gulisxmobT?

_ es aris daculi siebi, romelic

mxolod ceskos unda hqondes.

_ magaT xelSi rogor aRmoCn-

da?

_ ceskodan „ocnebamde” erTi

nabijia, Sesabamisad, Zalian martivad

moxvda daculi siebi mmarTveli

partiis warmomadgenlebis xelSi.

darbian am siebiT da hgoniaT,

raRac gamova. verafers gaxdebian

da Zalian samarcxvinod damarcxdebian.

sxva regionebze saubari

ar minda, iqaur situaciebs kargad

ar vicnob, magram erT rames

Tamamad vityvi, „qarTuli ocneba”

yvela olqSi samarcxvinod mwared

waagebs arCevnebs. zogan SeiZleba

didi warmateba moipovon, zogan _

naklebi, magram, saboloo jamSi,

opozicia da xalxi moigebs am

arCevnebs.

_ amxela kaxeTs mxolod ori

maJoritaruli olqi rom gamou-

yves, es xalxs ar daabnevs? ratom

unda airCios axmetelma Telave-

li maJoritarad, an piriqiT? amas

ar sjobda, sul ar yofiliyo ma-

Joritari?

_ rom sjobda, magitom viTxovdiT

srulad proporciul sistemas,

magram „qarTuli ocneba” amaze

ar wamovida. yvelanairad vecdebiT,

rom mosaxleoba saqmis

kursSi iyos da gaugebroba ar moxdes.

mosaxleobasTan gamudmebiT

komunikaciaSi varT. me, rogorc

axmetis sakrebulos wevri, yoveldRe

vxvdebi xalxs.

_ dRes aqtiurad saubroben

kunTmagari zonderebis gamoy-

enebaze. aseTi xalxi regionebSi

Zalian gaaqtiurda. kaxeTSic

mravlad gyavT moWidaveebi da

mandac aamxedra xelisuflebam

isini opoziciis winaaRmdeg?

_ bevri Cempioni da moWidave

gvyavs, magram CvenTan egeTi aqtiuri

zonderoba mainc ar aris. kaxelebi

cota dinji xalxi varT.

mTlianobaSi zonderebis gamoyenebaze

uars ar ityvian, magram

sxva regionebTan SedarebiT ufro

naklebi doziT mimarTaven maT

daxmarebas. „qarTul ocnebas” Zalauflebis

SenarCuneba mxolod

daSinebiTa da mosyidviT SeuZlia.

sxva riT unda aiRon xmebi? gaSifrulebi

arian. fuli yovelTvis

araa gadamwyveti. arCevnebs fuliT

yovelTvis ver moigeb. warmoudgenelia,

rom yvela ojaxs Camouaro

da fuli daarigo. yvelasTan

misvlas da fulis SeTavazebas veravin

gariskavs. aseTi ramis gakeTeba

farulad SeuZlebelia. amis

Sesaxeb viRaca aucileblad gaigebs

da es ambavi Tu gasajarovda,

xmebis momsyidvels Zalian cudad

eqneba saqme. yvelafers aqvs Tavisi

sazRvari, maT Soris, daSinebasa

da gayalbebasac.

rogor Sendeba mokluli qarTuli biznesis saZirkvelze rusuli biznesi?!

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roca gviCndeba kiTxva, rogor Semodis Cven-

Tan ruseTi, pasuxi martivia, _ rbili aneqsiiT,

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fuliT da xonCiT. man icis, rom mSieri kuWis

dapurebiT SeiZleba, adamianebis goneba dabindos da daaviwyos maT yvelaferi,

rac bolo 200 welze metia, xdeba Cvens qveyanaSi.

N15 (317) 14.07-20.07.2020 w.

`rogorc kompaniis damfuZnebeli vaJa leSkaSeli yveboda, misi

kompania lopotis tbasTan siaxlovis gamo Zveli xelisuflebis

interesis arealSi moxvda. Sesabamisad, 2011 wels mas

Tavisuflebis aRkveTis muqariT arasasoflo-sameurneo miwa

Tavis qarxanasTan erTad mizerul Tanxad daaTmobines~

kaxeTSi ruseTi amerikuli dolariT Semodis

da rusuli rublisTvis yidulobs

miwebs, aSenebs sawarmoebs, agebs Satoebs,

wuravs yurZens, cdilobs aaSenos hesebi da

rac mniSvnelovania, ruseTi amas araTu kaxeTis

Suagulidan, aramed misi sazRvrispira

municipalitetebidan iwyebs.

30 wlis winaT lagodexis mcxovrebTa

umravlesoba kazakebi, malaknebi da krasnodaris

mxaridan gadmosaxlebuli rusebi

iyvnen. wlebis manZilze lagodexi sabWoTa

epoqis dros izrdeboda da aq saxlobdnen

osebi osuri soflebiT, polonelebi, rusebi,

ukrainelebi, ebraelebi, volgispireTis

germanelebi, Sida migraciis dros Camosaxlebuli

imerlebi da raWvelebi, maT ricxvs

mxolod mogvianebiT Seemata aWarlebi.

lagodexi is gamorCeuli municipalitetia,

sadac ramdenime azerbaijanuli sofeli

arsebobs. lagodexi saqarTvelos sazRvrispira

raionia da misi soflebi erTgvar jariskacebis

rolSic ki gvevlinebian miwisa

da sazRvris dasacavad. sabWoTa kavSiris

daSlam bevri ram Secvala, maT Soris, _

aqac: umetesi mosaxleoba ruseTSi gadasaxlda.

dRes lagodexis saerTo mosaxleobis

5%-ze cota mets warmoadgens rusi eri.

lagodexi erTgvarad kargi sazrdoa

okupantisTvis, radgan aq aravis gahkvirvebia

vladimer xomerikis gamoCena, rogorc

aravis gahkvirvebia mama-Svil moisenkovebis

dafuZneba. ruseTis moqalaqe olga da

vladimir moiseenkovebma wlebis winaT daiwyes

lagodexSi miwebis Sesyidva. Tavdapirvelad

maT kerZo pirebisagan SeiZines

sasoflo-sameurneo miwebi lelianSi, WabukianSi,

gurjaanis mimdebared, sofel afenis

midamoebSi. mogvianebiT ki, 2017 wlis

31 marts, saxelmwifo qonebis marTvis saagentos

mier gamocxadebul eleqtronul

auqcionze, lagodexis municipalitetis

teritoriaze mdebare 76 300 kv. m. miwis nakveTi

gaiyida. samive nakveTi arasasoflosameurneo

daniSnulebisaa.

ruseTis moqalaqeebis kuTvnilma Sps

„pirouzma” saxelmwifosgan upirobo auqcionze

iyida lagodexis municipalitetis

teritoriaze mdebare 76 300 kv.m. farTobis

3 miwis nakveTi, raSic 78 000 lari gadaixada.

manamde imave kompaniis sakuTrebaSi

iricxeboda lagodexSi mdebare daaxloebiT

183 000 kv. m. miwa.

2017 wlis 31 marts, saxelmwifo qonebis

marTvis saagentos mier gamocxadebul

eleqtronul auqcionze, lagodexis municipalitetis

teritoriaze mdebare 76 300 kv.

m. miwis nakveTi gaiyida. samive nakveTi

arasasoflo-sameurneo daniSnulebisaa.

privatizebuli miwis nakveTebi SeiZina

Sps „pirouzma”, romelmac 78 000 lari gadaixada.

qonebis SemZenis sakuTrebis ufleba

sajaro reestrSi 2017 wlis 11 aprils

daregistrirda.

oficialuri monacemebiT, Sps-s mesakuTreebi

2012 wlis 8 ivnisidan arian

ruseTis federaciis moqalaqeebi _ olga

moiseenkova (50%-is mflobeli da direqtori)

da misi mama _ vladimir moiseenkovi

(50%).

rusi biznesmenebisTvis aRniSnuli miwis

nakveTebis miyidvis konkretuli mizani

wlebis manZlze ucnobi iyo, radgan saxelmwifos

mier kompaniasTan gaformebul nasyidobis

xelSekrulebaSi sainvesticio valdebulebebi

gaTvaliswinebuli ar Canda.

Tumca maleve aRmoCnda, rom rusma biznesmenebma

lagodexSi sawarmos gaxsna gadawyvites

da plantaciebze vardic gaaSenes.

lagodexis raionis sofel WabukianSi

kompania „grin vilijma” vardis zeTis warmoeba

2017 welsve daiwyo.

„kazakski” jiSis vardis plantaciebi

dRes Wabukianis, lelianisa da lagodexis

sxvadasxva soflebis SemogarenSiaa. „kazakski”

vardis yvaviloba maisis Sua ricxvebSi

iwyeba da daaxloebiT 40 dRe grZeldeba.

vards xeliT krefen. dakrefis Semdeg mosavali

swrafad muSavdeba, rom ar gamoSres

da xarisxi ar dakargos. vardis zeTi

eTerzeTebis yvelaze Zvirfasi saxeobaa.

iyeneben sunamoebis dasamzadeblad da farmaciaSi.

vardis zeTi 370-mde mikrobiologiur

elements Seicavs da kanis gaaxalgazrdavebis,

anTebis sawinaaRmdego unari

aqvs. erTi litri vardis zeTis misaRebad

3 tona vardis foTolia saWiro, amitom

misi zeTi Zalian Zviria.

sasargeblo Tvisebebis gamo 1 litri

vardis zeTis Rirebuleba, adgilwarmoSobis

mixedviT, 10 000-15 000 dolars aRwevs.

moiseenkovebs lagodexis raionSi

eTerzeTebis vardi 82 heqtarze aqvT gaSenebuli.

aqedan 50 heqtarze kompaniam vardi

2017 wels gaaSena. kompaniis xelmZRvanelobis

informaciiT, vardis warmoebis

ganviTarebisTvis saqarTveloSi 3,5 milioni

laris investicia ganaxorcieles da 100-

ze meti adamiani hyavT dasaqmebuli.

arada, kompania „kopala”, romelic saqarTveloSi

erTaderTi vardis zeTis mwarmoebeli

iyo, samwliani iZulebiTi pauzis

Semdeg 2014 wels warmoebis dawyebas cdilobda.

rogorc kompaniis damfuZnebeli vaJa

leSkaSeli yveboda, misi kompania lopotis

tbasTan siaxlovis gamo Zveli xelisuflebis

interesis arealSi moxvda. Sesabamisad,

2011 wels mas Tavisuflebis aRkveTis muqariT

arasasoflo-sameurneo miwa Tavis

qarxanasTan erTad mizerul Tanxad daaTmobines.

„37 dRis ganmavlobaSi cixeSi vijeqi,

bolos meuRleze mindobiloba gavaforme

da qoneba davTme. arada, sruliad axali

qarxana iyo, TurqeTidan Camovitane da aq

avawyve.

isev kustarulad momiwevda vardis ze-

Tis gamoxda, rogorc wlebis winaT, roca

biznesi daviwye”, _ aRniSnavda leSkaSeli.

Telavis raionis sofel nafareulSi

vardis zeTis mwarmoebeli qarxana 2010

wels „aTaswleulis fondis” agrobiznesis

proeqtis farglebSi 150 aTas dolariT

dafinansda. Semdeg kompaniam saxelmwifodan

„iafi sesxic” miiRo.

vardis zeTi eqsportze germaniaSi igzavneboda.

produqcia eTerzeTebis erT-erTi

yvelaze Zvirfasi saxeobaa, romelic parfiumeriaSi

gamoiyeneba, misi fasi ki unikaluri

Tvisebebis gamo msoflio bazarze

sakmaod maRalia.

Tumca mxolod erTi weli ecada leSka-

Seli eTerzeTebis warmoebis aRdgenas.

samagierod, roca qarTuli biznesi kvdeba

an ufro swori iqneba vTqvaT, klaven, mis

nacvlad saqarTveloSi rusuli biznesi

iwyebs xeirs. kanonSi cvlilebam SeZlo da

rus biznesmenebs sakuTar saxelsa da biznesebze

meti miwa aRar dauregistrirebiaT.

magram faqti erTia, ase vxdebiT dRiTi

dRe rusul rublze mibmulebi.

dRes bevrma, iqneb, arc ki icis, rom subtropikul

kulturaTa warmoebis ZiriTad

bazas yofil sabWoTa kavSirSi saqarTvelo

warmoadgenda: afxazeTis, aWaris, samegrelos,

kaxeTisa da marneulis raionebSi asamde

specializebuli meurneoba, kolmeurneoba

Tu qarxana awarmoebda eTerzeTovan

kulturebs. yvelaze didi abaSis qarxana

iyo, romelic dRe-RameSi 80-100 tonamde

nedleuls amuSavebda. am qarxanasTan

muSaobda agreTve izoevgenolis _ rehanis

zeTis meoradi gadamuSavebis produqciis

saamqro. aRniSnuli qarxnebi amuSavebdnen

evgenoluri rehanis, vardis geranis, yazanlikuri

vardis, dafnis, evkaliptis, Jasminisa

da sxva eTerovan zeTebs.

P. S. 1961 wels kanadis qalaq monreal-

Si gamarTul saerTaSoriso gamofenaze

qarTuli saukeTeso Rvinoebisa da koniakebis

gverdiT wardgenili iyo saqarTvelo-

Si damzadebuli cxra dasaxelebis eTerovani

zeTi, romlebic aranairad ar Camouvardebodnen

evropaSi damzadebul eTero-

van zeTebs, piriqiT, zogierTi maTgani

sjobda kidec. aqedan daskvna _ saqarTve-

los SeuZlia naturaluri eTerovani

zeTebiT Sors gaiTqvas saxeli da qveynis

ekonomikaze ifiqros.

„qronika+” seriuli saxiT gaagrZelebs

im rusuli kompaniebis mxilebas, romlebic

saqarTvelos qalaqebSi, soflebSi wynrad,

uCumrad arsdebian, ganageben miwebs,

aSeneben qarxnebs sawarmoebs da rusul

sawarmoebSi qarTvelebs asaqmeben.

31

Tengiz abloTia

„SaqaraSvilis saqmem” mTeli saqarTvelo kidev erTxel

SeZra... zogadad, mkvlelebisa da moZaladeebis qmedebebis

sruli uazroba da axalgazrdebis sikvdilis mizezebis war-

moudgeneli umniSvneloba qarTuli sociumis damaxasiaTebel

Tvisebad ukve aTwleulebis manZilze Camoyalibda.


qurduli gza

gadagvarebisken

saqarTveloSi axalgazrdebs iseTi

mizezebis gamo klaven, risTvisac

fsiqikurad dalagebul qveynebSi,

maqsimum, 5 wuTiT ikamaTebdnen

da mere mSvidad daiSlebodnen.

Tumca „SaqaraSvilis saqmeSi”

qarTvelebma am kuTxiT yvelanairi

rekordi moxsnes _ axalgazrda

biWs, romelic CxubSi ar monawileobda,

arc moCxubrebis megobari

iyo da saerTod yvelanairad gaerida

situacias, sadamsjelo razmi

TiTqmis naxevari saaTi misdevda,

bolos ki is Caqoles da mdinareSi

gadaagdes.

da es moxda pirdapiri gagebiT

_ sruliad arafris gamo.

amis yureba mSvidad SeuZlebelia

_ yvelas gvyavs Svilebi! visac

dRes ar hyavs _ xval eyoleba! yvela

xvdeba, rom sazogadoeba, sadac

19 wlis biWi SeiZleba, arafris

gamo Caqolon, mZimed daavadebulia

da Svilebis gazrda aq yoveldRiur

risks warmoadgens.

rogorc Cans, es Taviseburi

karmaa _ aseTi amazrzeni mkvlelobebi

ramdenime TveSi erTxel xdeba.

sxva tipis mkvlelobebze sazogadoeba

ukve aRar reagirebs

_ qmarma mokla coli, biZaSvilma

_ biZaSvili, mezobelma _ mezobeli

_ es Cveulebriv ambad iqca,

romelic aravis ukvirs.

Tumca axalgazrdebis daundobel

gametebas ase advilad ver

Seeguebi...

erTi SexedviT, saqarTveloSi

mkvlelobebis raodenoba didi

aris _ saSualod, 2,5-2,8 mkvleloba

100 000 mosaxleze weliwadSi _

es metia, vidre evropaSi, sadac

saSualo maCvenebelia 1-1,5, Tumca

ara katastrofulad.

saqarTveloSi situacias amZimebs

mkvlelobebis 99%-is sruli

uazroba da, Sesabamisad, maTi araprognozirebadoba.

nebismieri viziti

restoranSi an klubSi, nebismieri

dabadebis dRe, gasvla qalaqgareT

mosalxenad, nebismieri

wveuleba, metic: ubnis maRaziaSi

puris sayidlad Casvla _ Sesa-

Zloa, Tqveni ojaxis wevrisTvis sabediswero

aRmoCndes.

es araa dakavSirebuli arc bandebTan,

arc narkokartelebTan da

arc mafiasTan, rogorc sxva qveynebis

did umravlesobaSi. rogorc

wesi, saqarTveloSi mkvlelebi arc

kriminalebi da arc qurduli samyaros

wevrebi arian, aramed isini

klaven an afeqtSi, an simTvrale-

Si, an Sinagani rwmeniT, rom aravis

araferi ar unda apatio.

dRes saqarTvelo, danarCeni

msofliosTvis, warmoudgenlad

paradoqsuli qveyanaa kriminalis

TvalsazrisiT _ igi namdvilad

erT-erTi yvelaze usafrTxo adgilia

msoflioSi da es propaganda

sulac ar gaxlavT. paralelurad,

kriminalis TvalsazrisiT, samagaliTod

usafrTxo qveyanaSi

mSoblebs eSiniaT Svilebis gvianobamde

gareT yofnis, swored

imitom, rom maT sicocxles mudmivi

riski emuqreba.

aseTi SemTxvevebis kvalobaze

xSirad ismis ganwiruli kiTxva, _

ra unda vuyoT amas?! saidan modis

es daavadeba, romelic yvelanair

cvlilebas uZlebs, rogorc tarakani

_ radiacias?!

saidan movida _ martivia. amis

mizezia _ qurduli gageba.

am maxinji institutis gasamarTleblad

xSirad aseTi argumenti

mohyavT: „Savebi” axalgazrdebs

akontroleben da „bespridelis”

zrdas aferxeben”.

„Taviseburad” „idealuri” argumentia

_ albaT daaxloebiT asea

kmayofili cxvari, romelsac fermaSi

kargad aWmeven _ dakvlis win.

saqme is aris, rom „qurduli gageba”

imas akontrolebs, rasac Tavad

qmnis _ „qurduli kodeqsi” axalgazrdebSi

agresiulobas zrdis,

radganac aswavlis, _ aravis araferi

unda SearCino da yvelas yvelaferze

pasuxi unda mosTxovo.

viRacam cudad Semogxeda _ gauyare

mucelSi dana! viRaca dadis

gogosTan, romelic Sen mogwons?

_ Causafrdi da „Caapadiezde”!

agresia iwvevs sapasuxo agresias,

amas moyveba „saqmis garCeva”

da iq ukve yvelaferi imazea damokidebuli,

vin vis daaswrebs.

es erTgvari mojadoebuli wrea

_ qurduli gageba zrdis agresiulobas,

agresiulobas moyveba garCevebi;

Semdeg „Savebi” saqmes agvareben,

maTi avtoriteti izrdeba,

Sesabamisad, axalgazrdebSi

agresiuli foni matulobs da a. S.

saqarTveloSi Zalian gavrcelebulia,

ase vTqvaT, „latenturi

qurduli gageba” _ rodesac

Cveulebrivi, rigiTi moqalaqe,

romelsac araviTar kriminalTan

Sexeba ar aqvs, amave dros, qvecnobierad,

„Savi gagebis” matarebelia

ise, rom amas TviTonac ver acnobierebs...

usimptomo koronavirusiviT.

am mojadoebuli wridan mxolod

erTi gamosavali arsebobs

_ qurduli subkulturis yvelanairi,

Tundac, uwyinari gamovlinebis,

daundobeli, nebismieri

xerxis gamoyenebiT, sruli da upirobo

ganadgureba!

masTan Segueba an SeTanxmeba dauSvebelia

_ rogorc ki Tqven Sav

samyarosTan raRac tipis SeTanxmebaze

midixarT im imediT, rom kontroli

xelidan ar gageqcevaT _

CaTvaleT, rom ukve waageT... qurdul

samyarosTan yovelgvari kompromisi

bolos qurduli samyaros

sasargeblod sruldeba...

araviTari dandoba, Tvalis CapaWuneba,

SeTanxmeba _ es instituti

bolomde unda moispos,

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, is qveyanas,

adre Tu gvian, gaanadgurebs.

swored qurduli gagebis aRzevebam

moitana is, rac dRes mosvenebis

saSualebas ar aZlevs qveyanas

_ ara mxolod mkvlelobebi,

aramed zogadi agresiuli foni,

axalgazrdebs Soris usaqmurebisa

da „birJavikebis” kritikuli raodenoba,

jansaRi cxovrebisadmi

dabali interesi, narkotikebi.

Savi gageba aris qarTuli

„tradiciuli” mentalitetis organuli

nawili, rac zogadadamianuri,

adekvaturi da saRi azrovnebis

degradaciisa da gadagvarebis

naTeli niSania Cvens erSi.

isic unda vicodeT, rom swrafi

Sedegebi ar iqneba _ kriminaluri

fsiqologia imdenad Sezrdilia

tradiciul TviTSegnebasTan, rom

mis saboloo amoSlas aTwleulebi

dasWirdeba.

yvelas gvaxsovs, wina xelisuflebis

dros ramdenad daundobeli

iyo brZola Sav samyarosTan,

Tumca maSinac, yofiT niadagze

„Selaparakebis” gamo, adamianebs

Cveulebrivad klavdnen.

9 weli am daavadebis samkurnalod

ar aRmoCnda sakmarisi. Semdeg

„qocebi” movidnen xelisuflebaSi,

romlebmac kriminalebi

mokavSireebad daiyenes da yvelaferi,

maT Soris, mozardebis

gonebis mowamvla, Tavidan daiwyo.

sabolood, am qveyanas sxva Sansi

ar aqvs _ es ar aris ubralod

kriminalis winaaRmdeg brZola,

rogorc mTel msoflioSi xdeba, as

aris omi momavali Taobebis

tvinebis, saboloo jamSi ki, qveynis

gadasarCenad.

arCevani martivia _ an qveyana

mospobs kriminalur subkulturas,

an kriminaluri subkultura

qveyanas sabolood STanTqavs.

àxali opoziciis~ garkveuli nawili marTlac satelitia~

meSvide gverdidan

- vTqvaT, romeliRac raionSi amonta-

Jeben gareganaTebas, am raionis gamgebeli

Sekrulia romeliRac firmasTan, rom tenderi

moagebinos, amis gamo tenderis

pirobaSi wers, rom saWiroebs maincdamainc

konkretuli qarxnis mier gamoSvebul,

konkretuli simZlavris eleqtronaTuras.

paralelurad, im qarxnebTan firma winaswar

aformebs xelSekrulebas eqskluziur

warmomadgenlobaze, anu im firmis garda

sxva veravin Semoitans im naTuras. Sesabamisad,

Tavi qudSi aqvs tenderSi monawilesac

da tenderis gammarTav struqturasac,

romelsac Tavisi wili rCeba am garigebidan

da firmac bednieria, radgan konkurenti

ar hyavs. aseTi faqtebi imdenia,

Tundac saxelmwifo auditis saitze, rom

mxolod es kmara imisTvis, raTa konkretuli

ministrebi, merebi Tu gamgeblebi dai-

Wiro. gamaognebeli aris is, rom xelisufleba

amas yuradRebas ar aqcevs, radgan

misi mmarTvelobis stilia aseTi, kompromatebiT

marTavs.

_ Tqven vrclad isaubreT rusul

politikaze saqarTveloSi da aRniSneT,

rom saqarTvelos xelisuflebis dis-

kreditacia ruseTs ar awyobs. atarebs Tu

ara mizanmimarTulad „qarTuli ocneba”

ruseTis interesebs?

_ saqarTvelos xelisufleba rusisti

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`giorgi SaqaraSvilis saqmeze sul rom zusti ganaCeni

dadges, am dReebis ganmavlobaSi imdeni sisulele Caidines,

rom am ganaCenis samarTlianobaSi veravis daarwmuneben.

xelisufleba mudmivad im tots Wris, romelzedac zis.

pirvelad gvyavs xelisufleba, romlis mier gasrolili

tyviebi rikoSetiT masve xvdeba~

ki ara, Tavisistia, magram, Cvenda saubedurod,

xelisuflebaSi yofnis xelSemwyob

garemoebebs xedavs ruseTis qmedebeb-

Si. „qarTuli ocneba” arafers akeTebs imisTvis,

rom amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis

interesebSi Sediodes xelisuflebaSi

misi yofna. samagierod, „qarTuli ocneba”

iyenebs imas, rasac ruseTi saqarTvelos

sazogadoebis winaaRmdeg akeTebs. „qarTul

ocnebas” erTxelac ki ar wamouyenebia eris

gaerTianebis idea, piriqiT sazogadoebis

daqsaqsvazea orientirebuli. am SemTxveva-

Si ruseTTan interesTa Tanxvedra gamodis.

aRvniSne, rom ruseTis erT-erTi mizania

opoziciuri partiebis diskreditacia.

saqarTvelos xelisuflebac igives

akeTebs. avtoritetuli pirovnebebis

mocelva orives interesia. dagvrCa meoTxe

faqtori _ xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg

brZola da amas arc ruseTi akeTebs da

arc, cxadia, „qarTuli ocneba”, radgan

rogorc multfilm „lomi da kataSia”:

„aba, Cems Svils xom ar davsjio”, _ asea am

SemTxvevaSic _ sakuTari Tavis winaaRmdeg

xom ar ibrZoleben, magram „qarTuli ocneba”

xarakirs ukeTebs sakuTar Tavs yoveli

fexis nabijze. „giorgi SaqaraSvilis

saqmeze” sul rom zusti ganaCeni dadges,

am dReebis ganmavlobaSi imdeni sisulele

Caidines, rom am ganaCenis samarTlianoba-

Si veravis daarwmuneben. xelisufleba

mudmivad im tots Wris, romelzedac zis.

pirvelad gvyavs xelisufleba, romlis

mier gasrolili tyviebi rikoSetiT masve

xvdeba. ruseTis interesSia, saqarTvelo

Seumdgari saxelmwifo iyos, „qarTuli

ocnebis” interesia _ qaosiT marTva, amitom

isini mSvenivrad ugeben erTmaneTs.

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miznebic saeWvoa(?!!).

mTel am procesSi gaugebaria,

vin braldebulia da vin _ dazaralebuli,

vin „Saqaras” megobaria

da vin _ mkvleli. amdenad, Tu

miukerZoeblebi viqnebiT, unda

vTqvaT, rom esaa gamocxadebuli

mkvlelobis qronika, sadac yvela

erTad monawileobda.

kidev erTi mTavari „ram”, ramac

mokla „Saqara”, is sisastike da

daundoblobaa, romelic sruliad

logikurad agrZelebs megobrebis

usulgulobas. diax, rodesac Sens

megobars SeuZlia CxubSi migatovos

da TviTon Temqaze, muxianSi,

vakeSi, verasa Tu oqroyanaSi ise

gaagrZelos Rreoba, rom namusma

arc Seawuxos, raRa gasakviria

mtrisgan is sisatike, romelsac

emsxverpla 19 wlis biWi? da mainc

ismis kiTxva, _ ra kvebavs am sisastikes,

am daundoblobas? ratom

miaCnia erT axalgazrdas an axalgazrdebis

jgufs sxva axalgazrda

maT aseT mtrad, rom mzadaa,

moklas?

aseTi ra moxda, ra ver gaiyves,

rom ase sastikad cemaSi amoxades

suli? amis Camdens rom mouyve,

rogor xocavdnen osmaleTis imperiis

sulTnebi Tavis konkurent

Zmebs, utifrad gaikvirvebs da Seicxadebs.

sulTnebi sam kontinetze

gadaWimul imperias ver iyofdnen

ZmebTan da Tqven, Tqven ras

ver iyofT? an ra Rirseba gaqvT

iseTi, rom viTom misi Seuracxy-

rezo SatakiSvili

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giorgi SaqaraSvilis mkvlelobidan

dRemde ismis kiTxva, _ vin mokla „Saqara”. vgoneb, upriania

davsvaT kiTxva, _ ram mokla „Saqara”? ra aris is mizeze-

bi, romelic gardauvlad ayenebs am Sedegs?

Cemi azriT, vidre ar gavcemT

pasuxs am kiTxvas (ram mokla

„Saqara”), yovelTvis gamoCndeba is

„vin”, vinc moklavs sxva „Saqaras”.

diax, romc gaeces pasuxi kiTxvas,

vin mokla „Saqara” da gavigoT

kidec, romelma arakacma da na-

Ziralam mokla „Saqara”, samomavlod

aucileblad gamoCndeba sxva

arakaci, romelic moklavs sxva

„Saqaras”.

„Saqara” mokla am xelisuflebis

pirobebSi TavaSvebulma kriminalma

da aRorZinebulma kriminalurma

mentalitetma. diax, arsebuli

kriminogenuri viTarebaa

erT-erTi upirvelesi „ram”, ramac

mokla „Saqara”. arsebuli kriminogenuri

viTareba logikuri Sedegia

im ganukiTxaobisa da dausjelobis,

romelic sufevs qveyanaSi.

arsebulma xelisuflebam mosvlis

dRidan misca gaugonari biZgi

dRes arsebul viTarebas _ cixeebidan

aTasobiT kriminalis gamoSvebiT,

rac, Tavis mxriv, is erTaderTi

dapireba iyo, romelic

„qarTulma ocnebam” pirnaTlad

Seasrula. dapireba micemuli qurduli

samyarosaTvi-- da mxardaWeris

sanacvlod, rac am samyarom

aRmouCina maT xelisuflebaSi mosvlisas.

amitom am mimarTulebiT

aucileblad „didi pativicsemiT”

unda movixsenioT Rirsi dedani ama

xelisuflebisa _ „wminda didmowame

nana kakabaZe” da „wminda eka

beselia marTali” da, TavisTavad

cxadia, Tavad biZina ivaniSvili,

romelic „gagebiT mokidebisken”

mogviwodebda da maTTan erTad

yvela, vinc mxars uWerda cixeebidan

aTasi juris kriminalis,

pedofilisa da jaSuSis gamoyras

da maT Tavebze politikuri devnilis

diademis dadgmas. dRes bevri

maTgani, vinc im gaugonar procesSi

monawileobda, ukve opoziciaSia

da kdemamosilad iwyevleba.

maTi gamoSvebiT gaxSirda kriminali,

airia monasteri, rasac, ager

ukve, merve weliwadia, „gagebiT

vekidebiT”.

mxolod gaxSirebuli kriminali

ver waaqezebs yvela juris arakacs

saimisod, rom manac mkvleloba

Caidinos. aq mTavari is ki araa, rom

viRac klavs da mec movklav,

aramed is, rom is viRac, vinc

klavs, ar isjeba, dausjelobaa da

swored es dausjeloba xdeba mastimulirebeli

imisa, rom yvela na-

Zirala iolad sCadis mkvlelobas.

rodesac dausjelobas vambobT,

unda vigulisxmoT bevrad meti,

vidre ubralod dausjelobaa.

ubralo dausjelobis atmosfero

maSinaa, roca xelisufleba marTla

uniaToa, yvela struqtura

moSlilia da ar Seswevs Zala aRasrulos

saxelmwifos funqcia _

dasajos kanondamrRvevi. Cvens

beds ZaRli ar dahyefda ase rom

iyos! ara, batonebo, Cven bevrad

uares dReSi varT! saxelmwifos

sworedac rom Seswevs Zala, aqvs

Sno! da am Snos Zalian kargad iyenebs

damnaSaveTa sasargeblod!

sworedac rom SesaSuri profesionalizmiT

anadgureben mtkicebulebebs,

reven kvals da mfarveloben

damnaSaveebs! cxadia, isini ase

iqcevian mxolod maSin, rodesac

arakaci da naZirala damnaSave maTi

naTesavi an klanis wevria, magram,

ratomRac, sul ise xdeba, rom yvela

arakaci maTiania! cxadia, es gadasarevad

ician sxva arakacebma,

romelTac jerac ar CaudeniaT

danaSauli, magram ician, rom roca

Caidenen, maTac aucileblad

gamouCndebaT Tavisi mfarveli iq,

zemo eSeleonebSi da Tu ukidures

SemTxvevaSi mTlad ver daiZvrines

Tavi da cota xans cixeSi moxvdnen,

arc iq gawiravs vinme, radgan

cixe qurdebisaa, aucileblad gamoZebnian

links qurdebTan da xel-

Seuxeblad iqnebian is cota xani.

mivdivar isev Sekrul jaWvTan

_ potenciur damnaSaves ar eSinia

arc policia-prokuraturis, rom

isini mis danaSauls gamoiZieben da

daisjeba da arc cixis, romelic

qurdebisaa. ki magram, romeli

policiis unda eSinodeT, romelic

maT mfarvelobs? an romelic

midis adgilze, mohyavs fotografi

da arc „kiTxulobs”, iq

ra moxda? Tu romelic patrul-

Tan darekvis scenas dgams?

morigi da umTavresi „ram”, ramac

mokla „Saqara”, gaxlavT ukan

Semobrunebuli kriminaluri mentaliteti

da is usulguloba, rac

Cvenda saubedurod damaxasiaTebeli

aRmoCnda am saqmeSi figuranti

axalgazrdobisTvis.

yvelaferi iwyeba imiT, rom

„patrulSi darekva texavs” da

mTavrdeba im SedegiT, romelic

dadga! yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT

da im wveulebis maspinZelsa

Tu monawileebs rom elementarulad

gamoeZaxaT patruli, iq

gamocxadebuli ori patruli, sxva

Tu veraferi, safrTxobelas rols

mainc Seasrulebda, magram, ratom-

Rac, patrulSi aravin dareka. ase

moiqcnen iq da Cven kargad viciT,

rom yvelgan ase iqcevian, iSviaTi

SemTxvevebis garda. Tavis droze,

maxsovs, erTma warCinebulma msaxiobma

policiaSi darekva CaSvebad

gamoacxada, swored am mentalitets

uwoda mixeil saakaSvilma

„Casarecxi mentaliteti”,

rac, lubiankidan miRebuli instruqciiT

qarTulma wiTelma inteligenciam

tanze Seizila da

saqme ise gamoiyvana, rom TiTqos

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saakaSvilma isini Carecxa _ kulturis,

mecnierebis Rvawlmosili

muSakebi. arada, saqme exeboda swored

mentalitets _ mentalitets,

romlisTvisac policiaSi darekva

CamSvebobaa.

wlebis manZilze es mentaliteti

Seirya, gaCnda ndoba patrulis

mimarT, yinuli galRva, magram rasac

axla vxedavT, yvelaferi piriqiTaa.

erTicaa, rodesac axalgazrda

moismens bregvaZis „satelefono

zars” 112-Si, darekavs misi mosmenis

Semdeg odesme patrulSi?

jer erTi, Cndeba sruliad safuZvliani

eWvi am zaris namdvilobis

Sesaxeb da romc namdvili iyos,

Rirs ki darekva da im patrulis

gamoZaxeba, romelic sruliad konkretul

lokacias ver agnebs? policieli

ki ara, yvela taqsisti

agnebs ukve navigaciiT nebismier

lokacias _ dawyebuli wera-kiTxvis

ucodinariT, damTavrebuli

ordiplomianiT!

davubrundeT mTavars. mTavari

ki isaa, rom yvelam, maT Soris, yvela

arakacma, zustad icis, rom

aravin gamoiZaxebs patruls. swored

es aZlevs maT met siTamamesac

da met Tavisuflebasac Tavis aRviraxsnil

qmedebaSi. ician, rom aravin

gamoiZaxebs patruls da Sem-

TxveviT ar gadaeyrebian policiels,

romelsac SerCenili aqvs profesiuli

Rirseba da adamianoba.

aseT dros policiis, patrulis

argamoZaxeba mankierebaa, danaSaulis

tolfasia, magram ver vityviT,

rom vinmes gvikvirs. es mudam ase

iyo da gamonaklisi sul ramdenime

weli gaxldaT, rodesac es mentaliteti

Seirya. anu gulze xels

Tu davidebT, es arc aravis gvikvirs,

rasac ver vityviT im usulgulobaze,

rac gamoiCines „Saqaras”

Tanatolebma, mismave megobrebma

Tu Tavdamsxmelebma.

xdeba Cxubi, Tavpiris lewva, im

donis, rom wveuleba iSleba. wveulebis

CaSlis mere iwyeba angariSsworebis

momdevno etapebi... da am

yvelafris miuxedavad, Temqaze

wveulebas agrZeleben... ar aqvs

mniSvneloba, ician Tu ar ician,

sadaa maTi megobari! ukeTes SemTxvevaSi,

maT ar ician, sadaa maTi megobari,

romelic nadirebs gaeqca!

isini dganan da Rreoben! maTi Tanatolebidan

viRacam cxadia, zustad

icis, sadacaa „Saqara”, roca

mas aragvSi eZeben mTeli 4 dRe.

viRacam ki ara, vgoneb, bevrmac,

vinc monawileobda mis mkvlelobaSi!

qveyana eZebda, isini ki idgnen

da dumdnen.

viRac Rreobda da netarebis

neqtars wovda, viRac utifrad

dumda. patrulSi ardarekva cxadia,

Tavis gagrZelebas poulobs

gamoZiebasTan arTanamSromlobaSi!

Cvenebebis cvlaSi! romelsac veRar

gaigeb, gamoZiebis bralia Tu

maTive advokatebis, romelTa

ram mokla

`Saqara~?

ofisTvis mzad xarT, 19 wlis biWi

ase sastikad scemoT da moklaT?

an romel Rirsebazea laparaki,

rodesac saqme exeba sportsmenebis

gamoZaxebas? romel profesiul

Rirsebazea saubari, rodesac adamiani

mzadaa, Tavisi kunTebi aamuSaos

„gamoZaxebis” Sesabamisad _

korcxelSi iqneba es Tu nebismier

garCevasa da CxubSi?

cota Soridan minda daviwyo

saubari profesiul Rirsebaze.

didi saopero momRerali, maia

TomaZe, zviad gamsaxurdias TanamebrZoli

da megobari iyo. zviad

gamsaxurdias erT-erT dabadebis

dReze viRac gakadnierda da maia

TomaZes sTxova, emRera. pasuxi ar

gainteresebT? _ me Canglis

wkarunze ar vmReri! diax, operis

momRerali, visac profesiuli

Rirseba aqvs, sufrebze SekveTiT

ar mReris! sportsmeni, visac profesiuli

Rirseba aqvs, gamoZaxebiT

da SekveTiT kunTebs ar aTamaSebs

korcxelsa Tu aragvis piras!

SemTxveviTi xom araa, swored,

gamoZaxebaze momuSave sportsmenebis

ori istoriis Tanxvedra

droSi? miT umetes, rom orive istoria

dasrulda mkvlelobiT da

ara cemiT!

kidev ram mokla „Saqara”?

opoziciisa da eklesiis dumilmac

xom ara? Turme, nu ityviT da eklesiis

saqme ar yofila am procesebSi

Careva! zuka Tu lukasTan wevs

maTi saqmea, mzad arian, „taburetka”

iSiSvlon da rusTavelze gaxviTqvamde

irbinon da Turme qveyanaSi

kaenis codvis mZinvareba maTi

saqme im donezec ar yofila, erTi

gancxadeba rom gaakeTon! gaogndebi,

ra morCili dedaeklesia gvyavs,

ra TavmodrekiT elodeba gamoZiebis

dasrulebas...

xelisufleba saqmes farcxavs

da opozicia, rogorc aseTi,

gatrunulia!

kidev ram mokla „Saqara”? im mankierma

midgomamac xom ara, romelic

swored misma mkvlelobam

Searyia? aqamde ra mkvlelobebic

ki momxdara, yvelas xmaurisa Tu

mdumarebis beds wyvetda moklulis

ojaxi! viRac ibrZoda, viRac

Cumdeboda. rogorc wesi, xmas iRebda

iSviaTi gamonaklisi, umetesoba

ki dumda. konkretul Sem-

Txvevebze ver ityvi, ra iyo maTi

dumilis mizezi, _ daSineba, mosyidva

Tu, ubralod, brZolis ovsilis

arqona, magram faqtia, Tu

ojaxi xmas ar iRebda, sazogadoebac

Cumdeboda.

swored es wesi dairRva axla!

media ar Cumdeba, sazogadoeba ar

Cumdeba, quCaSi ar gamodis, magram

socqselebi, teleekranebi duRs!

vgoneb, is swori procesi viTardeba,

rac gaajansaRebs zogadad

situacias!

diax, rodesac xdeba mkvleloba,

miT umetes axalgazrdis, isic

ase burusiT moculi, aranairi

mniSvneloba ar aqvs, ras ambobs da

ra pozicia ukavia moklulis ginda

uaxloes, gindac Soreul naTesavs!

maT ufleba aqvT: imTaviTve

miutevon mkvlelebs an muqTad

gawiron mokluli an Zvirad an,

ubralod, Caiqnion xeli, magram sazogadoebas

uflebac gvaqvs da

valdebulebac, yvelafris miuxedavad

moviTxovoT saqmis bolomde,

miukerZoebeli gamoZieba! mediam

dasvas kiTxvebi, awarmoos alternatiuli

gamoZieba da mkvlelebis

mfarveli xelisufleba

iZulebuli gaxados da daasjevinos

mkvlelebi!

rodesac davamkvidrebT am

standarts, rom aranairi azri ar

eqneba moklulis ojaxis, axloblebis

pozicias, aRarc erTi xelisufleba

aRar Seecdeba maTTan „dalagebas”

_ arc fuliT, arc ZaliT.

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qveynis politikuri ganviTare-

bis _ „strategia aRmaSeneblis” gegmis avtori “axali

saqarTvelos” lideri giorgi vaSaZea. misi TqmiT, strategia

sam ZiriTad faseulobazea dafuZnebuli da esenia: Zlieri

adamiani, Zlieri ojaxi da Zlieri saqarTvelo.

ra formiT arian CarTulebi

„strategia aRmaSenebelSi” axalgazrdebi?

ras moicavs strategi-

is ZiriTadi mimarTulebebi?

rogor afaseben 2020 wlis sapar-

lamento arCevnebis konteqstSi

TavianT Sansebs isini? _ aRniSnuli

Temebis Sesaxeb „qronika+” rubrika

„axalgazrda politikoseb-

Si” „strategia aRmaSeneblis” gun-

dis wevr cotne abesaZes esaubra:

_ cotne, „strategia aRmaSenebeli”

sazogadoebisTvis met-nak-

lebad cnobilia. Tqven ratom

dainteresdiT da rogoria Tqve-

ni roli am strategiis nawilSi?

_ „strategia aRmaSenebeli” es

aris profesionalebiTa da sxvadasxva

sferos eqspertebiT dakompleqtebuli,

Zlieri gundi, romelic

intesiur reJimSi muSaobs da

qmnis qveynis ganviTarebis gegmas

sxvadasxva kuTxiT. am droisTvis

strategia aRmaSenebels imaze meti

profesionalurad Camoyalibebuli

ganviTarebis gegma aqvs, vidre

nebismier sxva jgufs saqarTvelo-

Si, romelic gamyarebulia kvalificiuri

eqspertebis mosazrebebiTa

da SexedulebebiT. maSasadame,

„strategia aRmaSenebeli” debs gegmebs

imisas, Tu rogori unda iyos

saqarTvelos ganviTareba uaxloes

momavalSi, rogor unda dav-

ZlioT siRaribe, rogor unda ganvaviTaroT

ganaTleba, rogor unda

vebrZoloT okupacias, demografiul

problemebs, rogor unda vimu-

SaoT Tavdacvis gaZlierebis kuTxiT,

rogor unda ganvaviTaroT turizmi,

sasamarTlo sistema, warmoeba,

jandacva da sxv., Sesabamisad,

yvela zemoT CamoTvlili sakiTxis

Sesaxeb (da ara marto), „strategia

aRmaSeneblis” gunds SemuSavebuli

aqvs konkretuli programebi,

romlis praqtikaSi ganxorcielebis

SemTxvevaSic SesaZlebeli

iqneba aRniSnul sferoebSi problemebis

aRmofxvra. swored amitom

Cemi gadawyvetileba, viyo

„strategia aRmaSeneblis” gundis

wevri, gamomdinareobs Semdegidan:

iq, sadac iqmneba saqarTvelos ganviTarebisa

da ukeTesi xvalindeli

dRis konkretuli gegmebi da programebi,

viRebde monawileobas da

sakuTari wvlili Semqondes am

saerTo saqmeSi.

_ axalgazrdebi „qronika+”-

sTan xSirad aRniSnaven ganaTlebis

mimarTulebiT arsebuli prob-

lemebis Sesaxeb. rogorc vici,

„strategia aRmaSenebels” konkretuli

xedva aqvs. rogor gadawyvetT

ganaTlebis sferoSi arse-

bul problemebs?

_ „strategia aRmaSeneblis”

gunds aqvs kompleqsurad SemuSavebuli

gegma ganaTlebis mimarTulebiT,

kerZod, TxuTmeti iniciativa

ganaTlebaSi:

1. axali, 7 kacisgan dakompleqtebuli

ganaTlebis erovnuli sabWos

Seqmna, romelic iqneba arCeviTi

da mas airCevs 80 000-mde pedagogi

7 wlis vadiT. swored es

organo SeimuSavebs ganaTlebis

ganviTarebis grZelvadian politikas,

riTac Tavidan avicilebT ganaTlebis

sistemaSi programebis

swraf da aragonivrul cvlilebebs,

rac uaryofiTad moqmedebs

ganaTlebis xarisxze;

2. pirdapiri wesiT arCeuli

baRisa da skolis direqtorebi _

rac gulisxmobs, rom skolisa da

baRis direqtors airCeven skolisa


da baRis pedagogebi 4 wlis vadiT,

rac uzrunvelyofs ganaTlebis

sistemaSi skolebis depolitizacias;

3. pirdapiri wesiT arCeuli saxelmwifo

universitetis reqtorebi

4 wlis vadiT, rac aseve uzrunvelyofs

umaRlesi saganmanaTleblo

dawesebulebebis depolitizacias;

4. skolis direqtoris xelfasi

minimum unda iyos 3000 lari, rac

uzrunvelyofs maRalkvalificiuri

da profesionali kadrebis

dainteresebas am mimarTulebiT;

5. sabavSo baRis direqtoris

xelfasi _ 1500 lari;

6. maswavleblis minimaluri xelfasi

unda iyos 1000 lari, baRSi

_ 700 lari, rac aucilebelia imisTvis,

rom ganaTlebuli, profesionali

da maRalkvalificiuri

kadrebis daintereseba ganaTlebis

sferos mimarT gaizardos;

7. baRebis vauCerul sistemaze

gadayvana;

8. vauCeris gaTanabreba da wliuri

10%-uli zrda;

9. top 100 universitetTan Seqmnil

programebze Caricxul Ti-

Toeul studentze plus 30% danamati

dafinansebaze;

10. universitets plus kvleva,

plus praqtika, saqarTvelos kulturis

kvleviTi centri;

11. 10 000 granti momavlis profesiebis

dasaufleblad, rogoricaa

informaciuli teqnologiebis

aiti, auTsorsingi, eijkompiutingi,

xelovnuri inteleqtis, manqanuri

swavlebis mimarTulebiT

profesionali kadrebis aRzrda;

12. XXI saukunis Tanamedrove

skola, sadac daemateba iseTi sagnebi,

rogoric aris informaciuli

teqnologiebis Seswavlis, Tanamedrove

ekonomikis sabaziso

codnis ganviTarebisa da sxva Tanamedrove

aucilebeli mimarTulebebis

ganviTareba;

13. TanamSromlobiTi samiti

5000 maswavleblisTvis weliwadSi

orjer, sadac top 5000 pedagogis

SkrebiT maT SesaZlebloba eqnebaT,

sakuTari gamocdileba, codna

da midgomebi gauziaron erTmaneTs;

14. maswavlebelTa daxelovnebi-

Ti centrebi rusTavsa da quTais-

Si, sadac pedagogebs SesaZlebloba

eqnebaT maswavlebelTa swrafi,

moklevadiani da efeqtiani gadamzadebebisTvis;

15. yovelwliurad 500 warCinebuli

pedagogis staJireba ucxoeT-

Si.

vfiqrobT, rom swored am 15

iniciativis ganxorcieleba praqtikaSi

ganaTlebis sistemas aqcevs

depolitizebuls, modernizebulsa

da decentralizebuls.

_ ramdenad realisturia Tqve-

ni xedvebi dasaqmebis problemis

aRmofxvrasTan dakavSirebiT da

ra gamowvevebia dasaZlevi am mi-

marTulebiT?

_ samuSao adgilebis Sesaqmnelad

da mosaxleobis ekonomikuri

mdgomareobis gasaumjobeseblad

sasicocxlod aucilebelia

erovnuli warmoebis ganviTareba.

amJamad, dabali mwarmoeblurobis

Sedegad, qveyanSi ar iqmneba samuSao

adgilebi da izrdeba siRaribe.

saqarTveloSi 221.0 aTasi adamiani

umuSevaria, rac samuSao

Zalis 12.7%-s Seadgens, jamurad ki

3.7-milionian qveyanaSi 1 milioni

cotne abesaZe:

`strategia

aRmaSeneblis~

gundi

morgebulia

Tanamedrove

axalgazrdebze~

`giorgi vaSaZe

gadamwyvet

sityvas ityvis

axali mTavrobis

formirebis

procesSi~

adamiani samsaxurs eZebs. „strategia

aRmaSeneblis” warmoebis ganviTrebis

programa miznad isaxavs

Seqmnas samuSao adgilebi, Seamciros

importdamokidebuleba da

maqsimalurad aiTvisos saqarTvelos

saeqsporto potenciali industriuli

parkebis ganviTarebis

gziT: Cveni qveynis stabiluri ganviTarebisa

da warmatebis garantia

samecniero inovaciebze, teqnologiebsa

da ganaTlebis xarisxze

orientirebaa. mecnierebisa da

inovaciebis prioritetad qceva

xels Seuwyobs qveyanaSi warmoebis

gaZlierebas, ucxouri investiciebis

mozidvas, axalgazrda talantebis

qveyanaSi dasaqmebasa da

saerTo dovlaTis Seqmnas sazogadoebrivi

sikeTisaTvis. Cveni iniciativa

moicavs 2 IT/blokCein qalaqis

gaSenebas rusTavsa da quTais-

Si, xolo Cveni miznebi iyofa or

etapad: saSualo da grZelvadiani.

2025 wlisTvis TiTo IT qalaqidan

mxolod kompiuteruli servisebis

eqsporti $350-400 milions miaRwevs,

dasaqmdeba 15,000 adamiani (jamurad

30.000), xolo saSualo xelfasi

iqneba aranakleb $2200-isa,

ukve 2030 wels ki kompiuteruli

servisebis eqsporti TiTo qalaq-

Si miaRwevs $1.3 miliards (jamurad

$2.6 mlrd.), dasaqmdeba 35.000

adamiani (jamurad 70.000), xelfasi

ki saSualod $3100-s gadaaWarbebs.

aseve konkretuli xedvebi gvaqvs

turizmis, soflis meurneobisa da

biznescentrebis igive kongresholebis

ganviTarebis kuTxiT.

_ rogoria uSualod axalgazrdebis

monawileoba „strat-

egia aRmaSenebelSi”? ra formiT

arian isini CarTulebi?

_ imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom

nebismieri programa da gegma axalgazrdebis

CarTulobisa da Tanamonawileobis

gareSe veranairad

ver iqneba perspeqtiuli, vinaidan

swored axalgazrdobaa sazogadoebis

is nawili, romelmac yvelaze

metad unda miiRos monawileoba

qveynis ukeTesi momavlis mSeneblobaSi,

es damokidebuleba zedmiwevniT

zustad aris gaTvaliswinebuli

„startegia aRmaSeneblis”

gundis formirebaSi. igi morgebulia

Tanamedrove ganaTlebul axalgazrdebze

da isini specialistebTan

da kvalificiur eqspertebTan

erTad aqtiurad monawileoben

muSaobis procesSi.

_ ra politikuri perspeqtiva

aqvs giorgi vaSaZis gunds 2020

wlis saparlamento arCevnebze da

ra upiratesobas flobT sxva par-

tiebTan SedarebiT?

_ 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebi

es aris uprecedento qarTul

realobaSi da qarTveli axalgazrdebis

umniSvnelovanesi monapovari,

mtkice protestisa Tu da-

Rvrili sisxlis fasad, vinaidan

Cven gadavediT arsebiTad proporciul

arCevnebze, sadac mosaxleobis

xma da mosaxleobis Sexedulebebi

sxvadasxva politikuri

partiebisa Tu politikuri liderebisadmi

maqsimalurad aisaxeba

axali mTavrobis formirebis procesSi.

vfiqrob, „strategia aRmaSeneblis”

gundis lideri giorgi

vaSaZe gadamwyvet sityvas ityvis

axali prodasavluri, koaliciuri

da yvelasTvis misaRebi ganviTarebisTvis

orientirebuli mTavrobis

formirebis procesSi. rogorc

zemoT aRvniSne, strategia aRma-

Seneblisa da misi xelmZRvanelis

upiratesoba sxva nebismieri gundis

mimarT aris is, rom Cven ukve

gvaqvs winaswar SemuSavebuli kompleqsuri,

daxvewili da qveynis

Seuqcevadad ganviTarebisTvis momarTuli

strategiebi, romlebic

erTiandeba strategia aRmaSeneblis

formatiT.

_ rogor warmogidgeniaT axalgazrdebis

roli 2020 wlis sapar-

lamento arCevnebis konteqstSi?

_ axalgazrdebis CarTuloba

politikuri procesebis gadawyvetasa

da politikuri amindis

SeqmnaSi dRes gacilebiT metia,

vidre manamde. Cven, qarTveli axalgazrdebi,

20 ivniss rusTavelze

gamovediT da davamtkiceT, rom am

qveynis fundamenturi Rirebulebebi

da principebi CvenSi gacilebiT

ufro myari da Zlieria,

vidre es hgoniaT moskovSi da egonaT

TbilisSic. vxedavT, rom

Seiqmna da Sedegianad aqtiurobs

sami didi axalgazrduli jgufi,

rogorebic arian: „gabede”, „Secvale”

da „sircxvilia”. swored amitom

vfiqrob, rom 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebSi axalgazrdebis

CarTuloba da axalgazrdebis

monawileoba iqneba gadamwyveti im

Sedegis misaRwevad, rac dRes sasicocxlod

aucilebelia Cveni

qveynis ganviTarebis relsebze gadasayvanad.

amisTvis aucilebelia

axali, koaliciuri, prodasavluri

profesionalebiT dakompleqtebuli

mTavroba, romelic imuSavebs

qveynis ukusvlis SeCerebaze da

swrafad misi ganviTarebis gzaze

gadasayvanad.

„strategia aRmaSeneblisa” da

giorgi vaSaZis gundi swored imiT

gamoirCeva, rom is aris erT-erTi

yvelaze axalgazrduli, modernizebuli

da inovaciuri jgufi,

romelic aseve aucileblad CaerTveba

saerTo miznisTvis brZolaSi.

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msaxiobi natuka gulisaSvili adami-

anTa im ricxvs ganekuTvneba, romelic

far-xmals arasdros yris da nebismieri

sirTulis miuxedavad, depresiaSi ar

vardeba. cdilobs, yvelafers poziti-

urad Sexedos da sjera, rom kosmosSi

gaSvebuli dadebiTi energetika auci-

leblad daubrundeba.

_ natuka, ramdenad gagiWirdaT

karantinSi yofna?

_ simarTle giTxraT, ar gamWirvebia.

arc depresiaSi Cavvardnilvar. Cemi er-

TaderTi sadardebeli finansebi iyo,

radgan irgvliv yvelaferi gaCerda.

zogadad, maqsimalurad vcdilob

raRacidan raRacis gamoyvanas.

_ konkretulad?

_ karantinma saSualeba momca,

proeqtebi damewera, romelic adre,

drois uqonlobis gamo, ver davwere.

garda amisa, binas, romelsac aRdgomas

da an sxva dResaswaulze generalurad

valagebdi, karantinis dros yoveldRe

vawesrigebdi. maqsimalurad vcdilobdi,

rom sul raRaca mekeTebina. mere onlain

videoebis Cawera daviwye, feisbuq-megobrebs

kulinariul receptebs vacnobdi

da bolos tik-tokamdec mivedi. mokled,

me TviTon viqmnidi ganwyobas.

_ ganwyobas, romelic bevrs ar hqon-

da da uWirda xasiaTis SenarCuneba.

Tqven rogor axerxebdiT amas?

_ reJimi mqonda Semdegnairi: mxolod

diliT vuyurebdi sainformacios, mere

saerTod vTiSavdi televizors, Semdeg

ZaRli gamyavda saseirnod, saxlis

saqmeebiT vkavdebodi, mere weris saaTebi

mqonda... me var is adamiani, romelic

yvelaferSi dadebiTs eZebs.

_ rogorc vici, sakuTar aivanze ki-

trisa da pomidvris mosavalic aiReT.

_ diax, _ plastmasis did qoTnebSi

CavTese oTxi Ziri pomidori, kitri, mwvanili

da a. S. aivanze risi datevis Sesa-

Zleblobac mqonda, yvelaferi gavakeTe.

_ erTxel dawereT, _ Cemi ocnebaa,

mqondes sakuTari saxli Tavisi ezoTio.

_ saerTod, roca adamians raRaca ginda

da am survilebs kosmosSi uSveb, is

upirobod dadebiTad gibrundeba. dRemde

mjera, rom aucileblad meqneba ker-

Zo saxli, radgan es Cemi ocnebaa. viRaca

did manqanaze an Cemi profesiis adamiani

„oskarze” ocnebobs, me kidev _ ker-

Zo saxlze.

_ Zalian kargi ocneba gaqvT, magram

ratom gindaT ase Zalian kerZo saxli?

_ Tundac imitom, rom xelovani adamiani

var da Zalian miyvars mcenareebi,

cxovelebi. ori ram ar mexerxeba: kerva

da qsova. danarCeni, dawyebuli mSeneblobidan,

damTavrebuli eleqtroobiT,

yvelaferi gamomdis. zogadad, Zalian

miyvars buneba da miwasTan muSaoba. mqonia

periodi, rodesac usamsaxurod vyofilvar

da mag dros Zalian damxmarebia

ezo, miwa, buneba, yvavilebi, mcenareebi,

imitom rom iq gadamaqvs Cemi fiqrebi, iqidan

viReb Zalian did energias. vcdilob,

yvelaze cud situaciaSic ki ar Cavvarde

depresiaSi. aris meore raRac: saqarTveloSi

msaxiobi da telewamyvani

droebiT xar da arc arasdros geqneba

is pensia da stabiluri xelfasi, rom Seni

profesiiT an gakeTebuli saqmiT gaagrZelo

cxovreba. aqedan gamomdinare,

kerZo saxli CemTvis mSvidi siberea, ker-

Zo biznesia, razedac Cemi proeqti maqvs

da es iqneba Zalian axlos xelovnebasTan.

_ didi sanacnobo gyavT. weRan ax-

seneT, rom konkretuli proeqti maqvs

biznesis saxiT, romelic kerZo saxls

ukavSirdebao. ar gifiqriaT, rom es

proeqti SesTavazoT, Tundac, Tqvens


`viRaca

òskarze~

ocnebobs,

me kidev

_ kerZo

saxlze~

nacnob-megobrebs, biznesseqtors, rom

dagafinanson?

_ me vinc micnobs, yvelam kargad icis,

rom aravis araferze ar vawuxeb. sul

rom umuSevari viyo, vcdilob, ar viwuwuno.

es ar aris ampartavnoba, es aris

sakuTari Tavis mimarT pativiscema. uamravi

nacnobi myavs, magram arc ki vici,

vis SeiZleba es warvudgino an SevTavazo.

aqedan gamomdinare, mTeli cxovreba

CemiT movdivar da isev sakuTari

Tavis imedi maqvs.

_ natuka, cxovrebis raRac etapze

iyaviT xan erT, xan meore da xan mesame

arxze. iwyeboda Tqveni gadacemebi, Semdeg

ixureboda. raRac periodi samsax-

uris gareSe iyaviT da zemoT aRniSneT,

rom ar mCvevia depresiaSi yofnao. ar

gCveviaT erTia, magram ramdenad rTulia

erT mSvenier dRes darCeT umuSe-

vari da ar CavardeT depresiaSi?

rogor axerxebT amas?

_ Cemi televiziaSi muSaobis periodi

daiwyo jer kidev maSin, rodesac sabavSvo

televizia „enki benki” yalibdeboda,

Semdeg iyo „imedi”, sadac 6 weli vimuSave,

mere viyavi „iberiaze”, „kavkasiasa”

da „sapatriarqos televiziaSi”.

principSi, Zalian bevr televiziaSi mimuSavia

da paralelurad radioebSic

vmuSaobdi. yvela televiziaSi raRacas

vswavlob. roca telekompania „imedma”

damireka, aranairi Sexeba ar mqonda

kulinariasTan. ubralod, iyo periodi,

rodesac Teatri gaCerda da Cems gakeTebul

gemriel kerZebs televiziebis bufetebSi

vabarebdi. amiT profesia SeviZine.

rodesac, wesiT, depresiaSi unda Cavvarde,

raRacas vswavlob. ar miyvars

Tqma: cnobili adamiani var da amitom sadRac

ver vimuSaveb-meTqi. patara gada-

Wril vagonSi, respublikur saavadmyo-

fosTan, meorad tansacmelsac vyiddi. ar

meTakileba muSaoba, ar meTakileba swavla,

oRond rac gamomdis, Torem aris

raRacebi, rac verasodes gamomiva.

dResac sul vswavlob, ar vvardebi

depresiaSi da am dros viyeneb ganviTarebisTvis,

raRac variantebis moZebnisTvis.

erTma Zalian kargma ucnobma gogonam

„feisbuqze” momwera, _ sul iciniT da

karg xasiaTze xarT, araferi gadardebTo?

iciT, ra aris? me ar vTamaSob,

vcdilob, yvelafers dadebiTad vuyuro.

rodesac gaqvs ori xeli, ori fexi da

Zala, absoluturad yvelafers gaakeTebs

adamiani.

_ e. i. Zlieri xarT.

_ Tamamad vityvi, rom Zlieri adamiani

var. qarTvelebs, ratomRac, Zalian

cudad gvesmis sityva dedakaci, vakninebT

mas, am dros ki ilia WavWavaZe dedakacs

uwodebs Zlieri qals. me did pativs

vcem sworad gagebul dedakacebs,

anu Zlier qalebs.

_ roca sakuTar TavTan marto rCe-

biT, guli ar gwydebaT raRacebze?

_ rogor ara.

_ magaliTad?

_ pirvel rigSi, zarmaci viyavi da in-

`Cems gakeTebul

kerZebs televiziebis

bufetebSi vabarebdi~

glisuri ar viswavle; guli mwydeba imaze,

rom raRac nabiji arasworad gadavdgi,

magram es xom cxovrebaa. guli gwydeba,

rom ar gafaseben, samsaxuridan

roca giSveben, magram es cxovrebis Semadgeneli

nawilia. yvelaferze SeiZleba,

adamians guli dagwydes.

_ profesiuli TvalsazrisiT raze

gwydebaT guli?

_ saerTod, zogadad mwydeba guli, rom

saqarTveloSi kino aRar arsebobs. aqedan

gamomdinare, bevri profesionali msaxiobi

aris umuSevrad darCenili. guli mwydeba

imaze, rom dResdReobiT ar var arc

erT TeatrSi. vamayob, rom maSin, rodesac

yvelaferi mkvdari iyo, 90-ian wlebSi, Teatralur

sardafSi msaxiobebis pirveli

nakadi Cven viyaviT, magram guli mwydeba,

rom arsebobs uamravi saintereso proeqti,

romelic Cemi dawerilia da, ratom-

Rac, ar xedaven, radgan televiziebSi Tu

ar aris agresia, erTgvari Sou, maSin reitingi

ar iwereba. realurad, marto me ar

var ase, samwuxarod, Zalian bevri niWieri

adamiania CrdilSi.

_ am etapze rame SemoTavazeba xom ar

gaqvT televiziidan?

_ sul aris raRac molaparakebebis

doneze, yvelas uyvars natuka da vnaxoT.

yovel SemTxvevaSi imedi maqvs, Tumca, am

etaze, konkretuli araferia. amJamad

kidev erTi profesia SeviZine, es aris

marketingi da piari _ axla am profesiiT

vmuSaob. SeiZleba, cnobili saxe iyo, magram

sazogadoebasTan ver urTierTobde

an ar SegeZlos konkretuli produqtis

miwodeba. amdeni wlis ganmavlobaSi Cemi

sponsorebi arasdros momityuebia _ kargi

Tu iyo, vambobdi, rom kargia da cudi

Tu iyo, uars vambobdi imis sponsorobaze.

aqedan gamomdinare, etyoba, ndoba da

siyvaruli davimsaxure da amitomac var

dRes piarSi. rodesac „iberiaze” gadacema

mqonda, Cemi sponsori iyo kompleqsi

„emocia”, sadac mqonda gadaRebebi da

araCveulebrivi diasaxlis-mamasaxlisi

myavda. Cven davmegobrdiT. SarSan gaixsna

evrostandartebze gaTvlili uzarmazari

kompleqsi Tavisi auzebiT, jakuzebiT

da saunebiT da rodesac SemomTavazes,

rom iq damewyo muSaoba, siamovnebiT

davTanxmdi, radgan Tbilisidan 30 kilometrSi

msgavsi obieqti ararsebobs, romelic

marTla kargia da mas 100%-iT vuwev

rekomendacias.

_ zafxulis gatarebasac „emociaSi”

apirebT?

_ imdenad datvirTuli grafiki maqvs,

rom „emociaSi” viqnebi emociurad,

grilad nataxtarSi da Tu sadme gasvlas

davapireb, albaT, maqsimum, sami dRiT

moxerxdeba. Cemda samarcxvinod, svaneT-

Si ar var namyofi da vapirebdi, wavsuliyavi,

Tumca pandemiam SemiSala xeli.

axla vnaxoT, ramdenad movaxerxeb. aucileblad

unda CamoxvideT, gvestumroT,

rom namdvilad darwmundeT, marTla

rogori gansxvavebuli adgilia „emocia”.

_ dabolos, rogorc vici, kinolo-

giam gagitacaT. ratom gaxda es sfero

TqvenTvis saintereso?

_ am pandemiis dros kidev Seviswavle

erTi profesia, kinologia anu ZaRlebis

fsiqologia. Zalian miyvars yvelaferi

sulieri, rac Cven garSemoa ZaRlebiT

da katebiT dawyebuli, zRvis goWiT,

zRarbebiTa da sxva cxovelebiT damTavrebuli.

SeiZleba iTqvas, fanatikurad

var maTze Seyvarebuli. internetis daxmarebiT

cxovelebis fsiqologiaze amerikeli

kinolog-fsiqologebis masalebs

gavecani. paralelurad masterklasebs

Cemi ZaRlis eqimTanac gavdiodi. bevri

ram Seviswavle da cxovelTa samyaro-

Si ukeTesad gaverkvie. Zalian didi da

saintereso masalaa. nel-nela ufro safuZvlianad

Seviswavli mas.

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giorgi sakaruli

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saqarTveloSi man parafsiqolo-

giiT gaiTqva saxeli, Tumca sinamdvileSi klasikuri medicinis

muSakia. irakli lomaia wlebia, rac emigraciaSi imyofeba.

rogorc man „qronika+”-sTan aRniSna, rTuli gza gamoiara, raTa

bavSvobis ocneba aexdina. senakSi dabadebuli patara biWi verasdros

warmoidgenda, Tu odesme mouwevda msoflio kinolegendebis

gverdiT TamaSi. diax, is araerT popularul serial-

sa Tu filmSi monawileobs da kanadaSi sakmaod warmatebuli

kinokariera aqvs. warmatebuli kinokarieris garda Cveni dRevan-

deli respondenti msoflio mogzaurTa asociaciis sapatio

wevric yofila JenevaSi. aRsaniSnavi is aris, rom qveynebSi,

sadac lomaia mogzaurobs, Tan daaqvs saqarTvelos droSa da

ase acnobs ucxoel turistebs saqarTvelos.


irakli lomaias gza

rogor aRmoCnda kinoSi? ra

xdeba da rogoria koronavirusis

epidsituacia kanadaSi? _ am da

sxva saintereso detalebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+” irakli lomaias kan-

adaSi daukavSirda:

_ irakli, saqarTveloSi cx-

ovrebis dros parafsiqologiaSi

moRvaweobdiT da SeiZleba iTqvas,

rom amiT gaiTqviT saxeli, gaxdiT

popularuli, Tumca warmatebuli

karieris miuxedavad Tqven emigraciaSi

wasvla gadawyviteT. ra-

tom?

_ profesiiT parafsiqologi

arasodes vyofilvar. ra Tqma unda

am sferoSi udidesi gamocdileba

da miRwevebi mqonda, magram Cemi

namdvili profesia samedicino sfero

iyo da maSinac ki, roca saqarTveloSi

Cemze mxolod parafsiqologiis

kuTxiT Suqdeboda

niusebi, sinamdvileSi me klasikuri

medicinis muSaki gaxldiT da

onkologiis institutSi Rameebs

vaTenebdi da vaRamebdi meti ganaTlebis

misaRebad. samedicino

instituti wiTel diplomze davamTavre

da gaxlavarT muclis

Rrus zogadi profilis eqimi. amdenad

is, rom maSinac da dResac

zogierTs mudam parafsiqologia

akeria pirze, ar aris es swori

forma. garda parafsiqologiisa,

uamravi sxva profesia maqvs. miT

umetes axla, roca wlebia, kanada-

Si var da am profesiiT aRar vmu-

Saob, mainc gaiZaxian, parafsiqologia,

parafsiqologiao. arada,

uamravi sxva sazogado moRvawe

vici, visac araerTxel Seucvlia

cxovrebaSi profesia da maT Soris

var mec. es xom Cveni arCevania da

aravin gviSlis? metic: Turme zogierTs

mkiTxavi Tu winaswarmetyveli

vgonivar. mecineba xolme,

rameTu erT adamiansac ver naxavT,

visac odesme irakli lomaiam mar-

Tla umkiTxava. ras vizamT, zogadad,

sazogadoeba xSirad ver

erkveva bevr rameSi, rac namdvilad

ar aris Cemi brali.

_ Tqven saqarTveloSi sakmaod

warmatebuli da popularuli

iyaviT. emigraciaSi wasvla ratom

gadawyviteT?

_ rodesac axalgazrda biWi

daxeuli fexsacmliT iwyeb saku-

Tar samSobloSi cxovrebas, maSin

roca swavla gwyuria da imis finansuri

SesaZlebloba ar gaqvs,

rom iswavlo, magram miuxedavad

amisa, mainc cdilob miaRwio mizans

_ gadixar quCaSi Zveli fexsacmliT,

sadac Cafenili gaqvs

parki, rom fexi ar dagisveldes da

mere sigarets yidi eliavaze da

ase codviTa da tanjviT Tavic

gagaqvs da imdens aRwev, rom sas-

`mzia kvirikaSvilis

bolo sityvebi

maxsovs: wadi, ika, Sen

aq aravin dagafasebso~

`qarTuli droSis gareSe ver

warmomidgenia mogzauroba~

wavlebelSi studentma fuli gadaixado,

ar Takilob arc erT samuSaos

da am yvelafris mere, udidesi

tanjvis fasad, rodesac

wlebis mere Sens samSobloSi xdebi

uzomod popularuli da warmatebuli,

rodesac wer samecniero

naSromebs da amas msoflios

sakmaod cnobili gamocemebi gibe-

Wdaven da maSin, roca 24 wlis asak-

Si geniWeba profesoris wodeba da

am dros umadurobis pikia, _ vi-

Racas mkiTxavi hgonixar, rogor

fiqrob, es kargia? da maSin, rodesac

yvelasgan damoukideblad xsni

sakuTari eris sasargeblod

saqvelmoqmedo fonds, sadac donori

organizacia ar gyavs da isev

Seni moRvaweobidan da Sromidan

naSovn fuls deb am fondSi, rom

qarTvelebs daexmaro, magram mainc

umadurobisgan Sepyrobili boRmianebi

rom samares giTxrian, aTas

Wors Txzaven Sen winaaRmdeg, es,

rogor fiqrobT, ar aris sakmarisi

mizezi imisTvis, rom erT dRes

dajde da gaaanalizo: nuTu, Rirs

iseT qveyanaSi cxovreba, sadac

arasodes fasdeba adamianis patiosani

Sroma da madlobis nacvlad

talaxs gesvrian? Cemi Secdoma,

albaT, is iyo, rom rodesac

qvelmoqmedebas Cavdiodi, sxvebisgan

gansxavebiT, arasodes davrbodi

kamerebiTa da presis TanxlebiT,

aramed sikeTes Cumad vakeTebdi

da zustad magitom ar

icis dRemde sazogadoebam Cemi

organizaciis mier aTasobiT gakeTebuli

kargi saqmis Sesaxeb.

exla, rodesac viRaca gamoxteba

da mkiTxavs, ra gagikeTebia Seni

samSoblos winaSeo, maSin iZlebuli

var, faqtebi avafaro saxeze.

arafers vambob Cems samecniero

naSromebze, wignebze, romelic

msoflios araerT qveyanaSi gaiyida

da aRiareba hpova, imaze gacilebiT

meti, vidre es bevrs warmoudgenia.

Tu es araferi iyo Cemi

samSoblosTvis da Cemi erisTvis?

romeli erTi CamovTvalo? mokled,

imxanad Zalian viyavi gulnatkeni,

cudad momeqcnen adamianebi,

romlebsac ubralod sulsa da

guls vuziarebdi da maT Soris

iyo bevri cnobili saxe, romlebic

24 saaTi Cemi ofisis karTan iyvnen

atuzulebi _ maSin yvela Cemi megobari

da axlobeli iyo. maSin yvela

gaiZaxoda, lomaia Cemi Zmaao da

amayobdnen CemiT, bolos Zmoba da

axlobloba ki ara, sajarod gamodiodnen

usircxvilod da presaSi

yvebodnen, _ vin aris lomaia, saer-

Tod ar myavs TvaliT nanaxio. am

dros is aviwydebodaT, rom, sabednierod,

arqivi inaxavs iseT eqskluziur

kadrebs, romelsac veravin

Secvlis, faqtebi faqtebad

rCeba da sazogadoeba amas xedavs.

am periods CemTvis uZvirfasesi

adamianis gardacvaleba daemata,

misma dakargvam sabolood momiRo

bolo da depresiaSi Camagdo. maxsovs

misi bolo sityvebi: wadi, ika,

sxvagan... Sen aq aravin dagafasebs,

aq nu darCebio. es sityvebi iyo

zustad, rac cxonebulma qalbatonma

mzia kvirikaSvilma miTxra

_ mis suls veTayvane! sigiJemde

miyvarda da miyvars dRemde. zustad

maSin sabolood gadavwyvite

wamosvla. ubralod, me var adamiani,

romelic mudam axls eZebs. me

var pirovneba, romelic arasodes

kmayofildeba sakuTari SesaZleblobiT.

aqedan gamomdinare, kanada

iyo da aris CemTvis unikaluri

qveyana, sadac niWi sakmaod fasobs.

_ Zalian bevri qarTvelisTvis

kanadaSi wasvla da miT umetes,

cxovreba auxdeneli ocnebaa.

Tqven rogor moaxerxeT es yve-

laferi da ramdenad rTuli gza

gaiareT?

_ maSin rom mcdonoda, Tu ra

gza mqonda gasavleli da ra meloda

imisTvis, rom kanadamde Camovsuliyavi

da is rom mcodnoda ra

tanjva-wameba meloda, rom am qveyanaSi

Sevmdgariyavi, albaT, isev iq

darCenas gadavwyvetdi, rac namdvilad

Secdoma iqneboda. is rom

mcodnoda, ras niSnavs iyo emigranti,

Tu ra tkivilia es, albaT,

isev TbilisSi viqnebodi.

magram RvTis wyalobiT es Sev-

Zeli, marTalia rTulad, magram

mainc SevZeli. am qveyana-

Si ar aris martivi Tavis

damkvidreba, magram zustad

vicodi, Tu me vibrZolebdi,

aqac aranaklebi warmateba

meqneboda, vidre amas mivaRwie

sakuTar samSobloSi da miuxedavad

im didi tkivilisa, rac

weRan mogaxseneT, aq Camosvlam

ar gamaborota. zogier-

Ti Cems adgilze saerTod

xazs gadausvamda Tavis sam-

Soblos da maSin, roca ucxo qveyanaSi

warmatebas miaRwevda, ityoda,

_ erTi, magaTi! magram me dRemde

suli amomdis Cems samSoblosa

da Cems erze. ra vqna, aseTi var da

morCa, warsuls arasodes mivtiri,

rameTu kargad maqvs gacnobierebuli,

roca raime cudi xdeba,

ufali ukeTesobisken gamzadebs da

zustad ase moxda, roca samSoblodan

kanadaSi gadmovbargdi.

_ ucxo qveyanaSi Tavis damkvi-

dreba rTulia. mogviyeviT gzaze

parafsiqologiidan _ kinomde.

rogor gaxdiT msaxiobi, pirvelad

vin aRmogaCinaT, vin SegniS-

naT, sad da ra situaciaSi?

_ namdvilad ar iyo martivi

gza. Tavidan ar vyofilvar msaxiobi,

metic _ pirvelad saqonlis

fermaSi daviwye muSaoba da fekaliebs

vwmenddi. es iyo uzarmazari

stresi da tkivili. erTi weli

yoveldRe vtirodi, radgan uzomod

menatreboda Cemi samSoblo

da ojaxi. Tavidan Zalian gamiWirda

imis gacnobiereba, rom sakuTar

samSobloSi popularuli, aq ki

aravin da araferi viyavi. arc ena

vicodi, arc sabuTebi mqonda da

arc normaluri samsaxuri _ erTi

wlis manZilze bevrjer momabrunes

aeroportidan _ darCi, ar

waxvide, Torem inanebo. gaxsenebac

ar minda, es iyo namdvili koSmari.

ase nel-nela, didi sirTulis fasad

Sevegue da gamovcocxldi. erT

dResac ubralod avdeqi, sarkeSi

Cavixede da vTqvi. aq Tavis mosaklavad

Tu Camoxvedi, maSin iq gamosalmebodi

sicocxles-meTqi,

morCa glova da tirili,

dReidn axali cxovreba iwyeba-meTqi

da marTlac

ase agixdeT yvelaferi

_ Cems cxovrebaSi

didi saswauli moxda.

yovelTvis mindoda

msaxioboba,

magram, samwuxarod,

Cems samSobloSi

verc erTma

reJisorma

ver an ar aRmomaCina,

Tu ar

CavTvliT ramdenime

serialsa da

films, sadac epizoduri rolebi

viTamaSe. madloba minda gadavuxado

zaza koleliSvils, man maTamaSa

filmSi „omi da qorwili” da

aseve udidesi madloba nika qavTaraZes,

romelmac gadamiRo teleserialSi

„mesame Taoba”. rogorc

iciT, me sul sxva profesiiT davkavdi,

magram erTi dRe ar gavidoda

ise, rom CemTvis ar meocneba

msaxiobobaze. swored 20 wlis mere

moxda namdvili saswauli: erT

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dRes sruliad SemTxveviT vnaxe

gancxadeba, sadac vankuveris erTerTi

cnobili saagento acxadebda

qasTings _ iq ewera: Tuki Tqven

gsurT msaxioboba da gaqvT warsulSi

gamocdileba an gaqvT minimum

erTi rolis mokle video, mxolod

aseT dros gamogvexmaureT,

gamoagzavneT Tqveni fotoebi,

mokle biografia da ganvixilavTo.

Tumca iqve miwerilic iyo, rom

Cven ar gamovexmaurebiT im kategorias,

romelsac ar CavTvliT

saWirod, anu vinc ar mogvewonebao.

es rom wavikiTxe, vifiqre, „axla

me Cemi dangreuli inglisuriT

aranairi kanaduri samsaxiobo gamocdileba

ar maqvs da vin dainteresdeba-meTqi”.

magram xom gagigiaT,

cda bedis monaxevreao da rogorc

ki gavagzavne werili, imwamsve avtomaturi

Setyobineba movida, sadac

ewera, rom 3 dReSi Tu ar SemogexmianebiT,

e. i. ar mogvewona

Tqveni kandidaturao. is sami dRe

samasi weli iyo. wamSi erTxel vxsnidi

meils da zustad mesame

dRes mxvdeba mowerili: „Cven vnaxeT

Tqveni video, saqarTveloSi na-

TamaSebi roli” (es video Cems

feisbuqze winaswar avtvirTe da

frendebs movuwode aqtiurobisken,

romelsac 1 dReSi uamravi

gamoxmaureba moyva). ra Tqma unda,

am videos linki gavagzavne saagentoSi,

saidanac mwerdnen, rom mar-

Talia, Cven qarTulad ver gavigeT

sazogadoebis gamoxmaureba da komentarebi,

magram aSkarad vnaxeT,

rom didi talantia TqvenSio, aseve

mogvewona Tqveni tipaJi da gacnobebT,

rom Semdegi etapi telefonze

gasaubreba iqneba. Tu am etapsac

warmatebiT gadalaxavT, mere

davniSnavT Sexvedras TqvenTano.

sixarulis Soki miviRe. 10 wuTi

xmas ver viRebdi, sunTqva Semekra,

amas ver agixsniT, ra grZoba iyo.

_ meore etapma rogor Caiara?

_ Cvenma intervium telefonze

zustad 5 saaTi gastana, sadac 4

CemTvis ucnobi pirovneba ubralod

ki ar mesaubreboda, aramed

dakiTxvaze megona Tavi. interesdebodnen,

ratom msurda msaxioboba,

aseve mTxovdnen momeyola mTeli

Cemi cxovreba. mekiTxebodnen,

Tu me warmatebuli msaxiobi gavxdebodi,

ra miznebisTvis gamoviyenebdi

am Sanss da a. S. mokled, 5

saaTis mere damemSvidobnen da

miTxres, rom Tu es interviu damakamayofilebeli

iqneboda, meilze

Sematyobinebdnen momdevno etapis

Sesaxeb. vifiqre, albaT, ar

movewone-meTqi da Zalian davRondi.

meils isev aqtiurad vamowmebdi.

zustad sami dRis mere werili

momivida: gilocavT, Cven gadavwyviteT,

msaxiobad agiyvanoT. Tu

SeiZleba, mobrZandiT Cvens ofis-

Si sxva detalebis gasarkvevad da

kontraqtis gasaformeblado. vaimee!

es wavikiTxe Tu ara, ise daviyvire,

mokled namdvili Soki es

yofila. ase daiwyo Cemi samsaxiobo

kariera. ra Tqma unda, iq misuls

meloda uamravi swavleba, repeticia,

treningi, 25-furcliani

kontraqti, yvela wuTi da wami

gawerili Cemi da maTi uflebebiT.

ase grZeldeba dRemde. amis mere

Cemma saagentom Tavidan erTwliani

kontraqti gamiforma. am drois

manZilze Cems talants Seafasebdnen

da imis mixedviT gaagrZelebdnen

grZelvadian kontraqts.

_ pirvel rolze mogviyeviT.

_ Cemi pirveli roli arasdros

damlageblobidan msaxiobobamde

`meSinia, aq

qaTmebiviT

ixoceba xalxi~

damaviwydeba _ es iyo reJisor

kaili mosonis komediuri Janris

filmi „To the Madness”, sadac epizodur

rolze damamtkices. sxva-

Ta Soris, am filmma SarSan lasvegasis

kinofestivalze erT-erTi

yvelaze kargi komediuri Janris

tituli miiRo. amis Semdeg iyo

Cems cxovrebaSi pirveli udidesi

warmateba, rasac amerikuli upopularulesi

teleserial „xvalindeli

dRis legendebis” meoTxe sezonSi

TamaSi moyva _ am teleserialSi

me-17 saukunis inglisis bur-

Juaziis religiuri persona, puritaneli

viTamaSe. es aris teleseriali,

romelsac msoflios 37

qveyanaSi Targmnian da anaxeben

adgilobrivi televiziebi, maT

Soris, saqarTveloSi qarTulad

Targmnis aWarabeTi. safrangeTidan,

inglisidan, belgiidan, msoflios

uamravi qveynidan mweren Cemi

Zvirfasi qarTveli emigrantebi, _

vamayobT SeniTo. es saocari gr-

Zobaa, eniT auwereli. am teleserialma

udidesi aRiareba da warmateba

momitana, romelsac moyva

sxva saagentoebis daintereseba,

magram Cemma saagentom is erTwliani

kontraqti xuTi wliT gaagr-

Zela. am teleserialis mere iyo

aranakleb cnobili teleseriali

„sirinozi”, romelsac igivenairad

saqarTveloSic aSuqeben, mere moyva

da moyva sxva uamravi popularuli

teleseriali da bolos ra-

Sic gadamiRes, es iyo „eflis” saocrad

warmatebuli da yvelasTvis

cnobili teleseriali „SEE”,

sadac mTavar rols jeison momoa

TamaSobs. am teleserialSi erTerTi

Zalian saxasiaTo roli maqvs.

iq usinaTlo tomebi cxovroben

Cven, brmebs tyeSi gvivardebian da

gvawiokeben. es roli Zalian miyvars

_ gansakuTrebuli da saxasiaTo

kostiumi macvia. rolSi didi

Sroma Cavde. martivia Tqva, aq vTamaSobo,

realurad ki idge scenaze

iseTi kaSkaSa msaxiobis gverdiT,

rogoric jeison momoaa da sxvebi,

es arc ise advilia.

viTamaSe teleserial „saxecvlili

naxSirbadis” masobriv scenebSi.

principSi, es ufro meorexarisxovani

roli iyo, vidre _ „masovka”,

sadac gadaRebebis dros

reJisorma aRmomaCina da iciT, es

reJisori vin iyo? arc meti da arc

naklebi, set gordoni. es aris re-

Jisori, romelmac gadaiRo msoflioSi

upopularulesi teleseriali

„kargi eqimebi”. swored am sabediswero

dRis wyalobiT gadamiRes

am teleserialSi, sadac me

Sokirebuli viyavi da iciT, ratom?

ai, Tqven gverdiT rom uceb

sagrimioroSi zis holivudis

kaSkaSa varskvlavi, rogoric fredi

haimoria da gadasaReb moedanze

aseTi legendis gverdiT Tama-

SobT, CemTvis namdvilad saamayoa.

kargad maxsovs ra damemarTa, roca

pirvelad realurad vnaxe da

gavicani kaSakaSa varskvlavi keiti

lotci _ iciT, ra xdeba kanadaSi,

roca lotci gadasaReb moedanze

gamodis? absoluturad iketeba

irgvliv yvelaferi, radgan fanebis

zRva dgas, aris wivil-kivili da

gulis wasvlebi. am dros Sen ara-

Tu mis gverdiT dgaxar, aramed

masTan filmSi TamaSob. es, daaxloebiT,

namdvil zRapars hgavs,

radgan erT dros senakSi gazrdili

biWi, romelsac Tavis samSobloSi

kinomsaxiobi surda gamxdariyo

da erTi roli ar aRirses,

dRes TamaSobs aseTi varskvlavebis

gverdiT. mere iyo sxva uamravi

filmi: „THE 100", „ASHKE”, „THE

MURDERS”, „IASMINA” da mwvervali

mTavari roli „LA CATRINA” _

es Zalian saxasiaTo da CemTvis

ormagad sapasuxismgeblo rolia.

„la katrina” meqsikuri religiis

mixedviT micvalebulTa moxseniebis

dRea. iq swamT da sjeraT, rom

„la katrina” zeciuri samyaros

qalRmerTia, romelic exmareba sazogadoebas

saiqio gzis gakvleva-

Si. filmSi naCvenebi epizodebi dawerilia

swored amave tradiciebze

dayrdnobiT meqsikeli aw ukve

holivudSi moRvawe warmatebuli

scenaristisa da avtor Emerson Hillis

mier. es didi gamowveva da udidesi

gamocdileba iyo CemTvis.

iciT, daaxloebiT, rogori raRacaa?

meqsikelma msaxiobma rom Seasrulos

Cveni romelime wmindanis

roli, xom warmogidgeniaT, ra

ganxilva da kritika daatydeba

Tavs. es saswaulad dadebiTi personaJi

iyo, romelsac udidesi pasuxismgebloba

sWrdeboda da namdvili

niWiT TamaSs moiTxovda. kinematografiaSi

erT-erTi popularuli

tipaJi aris, rodesac mamakaci

qalis rols irgebs da rac

yvelaze sianteresoa, umetes

SemTxvevaSi, mamakacebs qalis gansaxierebulma

rolebma msoflio

dideba da superpopularoba moutana.

am rolze SesarCev kastingze

zustad 150 kanadeli da meqsikeli

msaxiobi ibrZoda da me damamtkices.

warmogidgeniaT, es ras

niSnavs?

_ pandemiis mxriv ra xdeba,

rogori situaciaa? ganaxlda ga-

daRebebi?

_ samwuxarod, am etapze yvela

kinostudia gaCerebulia, radgan

aq Zalian cudi situaciaa. am wuTis

monacemebiT qveyanas oficialurad

108,023 inficirebuli yavs

da 8,765 gardacvlili. pandemia imdenad

swrafad mzardia, roca am

intervius vwerT, kidev vin icis,

ramdeni adamiani daavadda da gardaicvala.

piradad Tebervlidan

arc erTi roli ar miTamaSia. martSi

dagegmili iyo gadaRebebi, sadac

5 Zalian kargi roli mqonda

sxvadasxva filmSi, yvela ganusaz-

Rvreli vadiT gamiuqmda. arc erTi

amerikuli kinostudia ar Semodis

qveyanaSi, ufro sworad, ver Semodis,

radgan kanadam sazRvari Caketa

SeerTebul StatebTan. adgilobrivi

kinostudiebi mTavrobis

daxmarebis programebze dasxdnen

da amitom Sewyvites muSaoba. aris

SigadaSig moklemetraJiani filmebis

gadaRebebi da mcire korporaciuli

SemoTavazebebi, magram

aseT mowvevebze ukve ar davdivar,

radgan maqsimalurad vicav mTavrobis

mowodebas, rom davrCeT saxlSi

_ meSinia, aq qaTmebiviT ixoceba

xalxi. gaaxarebs ufali am

qveynis mTavrobas _ Zalian kmayofili

var, forsmaJoruli situaciis

dros xelisufleba im xelfasis

80 procents gvixdis, rac

gvqonda pandemiamde. am etapze

varsebob da vcocxlob im imediT,

rom koronavirusi me ar damemarTeba

da male isev uwindeburad

aRdgeba muSaoba da Zveleburad

damabrunebs Cemi saagento kinostudiebSi.

_ Tqven muSaobdiT klinikaSic,

mere gixileT gadasaReb moedan-

ze. sad muSaobT, Tqveni ZiriTadi

saqmianoba ra aris, anu Semosav-

lis wyaro?

_ rogorc giTxariT, sanam msaxiobi

gavxdebodi, profesiiT eqimi

var da hospitalSi vmuSaobdi umcros

Zmad, eqTans rom eZaxian. aba,

am qveyanaSi eqimad aravin dagniSnavs,

es arc ise advili saqmea. eqimi

ki ara, eqTani rom gavmxdariyavi,

lamis Tavidan viswavle amaTi medicina.

es kidev calke salaparako

Temaa, Tu ra gza gaviare

dalagebidan _ hospitalSi TeTr

xalaTamde. iqamde iyo Savi samuSaoebi,

tanjva da wameba, sanam am

qveyanaSi sabuTebi miviRe da ena

viswavle. mec momiwia mZime samsaxurebSi

muSaoba, yvelgan vmuSaobdi,

ar vTakilobdi arc erT samuSaos:

dalageba iqneboda, piceria,

WurWlis mrecxavi, mSenebloba Tu

ferma. am etapze Cemi Semosavlis

wyaro mxolod kinoa _ fuls Cemi

gamomuSavebuli rolebidan viReb.

me kanadis sruluflebiani moqalaqe

var da roca daxmareba mWirdeba,

mTavroba mexmareba. asevve

wlebia, rac msoflio mogzaurTa

asociaciis sapatio wevri var

JenevaSi.

_ ai, es namdvilad ar vicodiT.

_ ai, xedavT qarTulma sazogadoebam

ar icis, rom erTaderTi

qarTveli mogzauri hyavdaT,

romelmac jer kidev 2004 wels

JenevaSi msoflio mogzaurTa asociaciis

sapatio wevris statusi

miiRo. samagierod, yvelam icis, vin

iyo parafsiqologi irakli lomaia.

presa yovelTvis imas werda,

rac awyobda. Cemi udidesi hobia

mogzauroba. TiTqmis yoveldRurad

davexetebi tyeSi, mTebSi, tbebsa

Tu barSi. ar maSinebs wvima,

Tovli, aranairi dabrkoleba. davdivar

iq, sadac binadroben daTvebi

da sxva mtacebeli cxovelebi.

miyvars eqstremi da saSiSi adgilebis

dalaSqvra. Cavdivar yvela

qveyanaSi, sadac ki amis Sansi da

SesaZlebloba maqvs. ar arsebobs

dedamiwaze qveyana da adgili, sadac

momindes Casvla da ramem damabrkolos.

_ ramden qveyanaSi xarT namyo-

fi?

_ msoflios 125 qveyanaSi var

namyofi. 15 wlis viyavi, pirvelad

rom daviwye mogzauroba da ager

ukve 22 welia, am sferoSi var. weliwadSi

erTxel sagangebo misiiT

magzavnian qveynebSi, saidanac vamzadeb

reportaJs da vagzvani JenevaSi.

moyvaruli fotografi var

da miyvars lamazi adgilebis gada-

Reba. mogzaurobisas ki Cemi savizito

baraTia qarTuli droSa. mis

gareSe ver warmomidgenia mogzauroba.

Cemi mizania yvelgan, sadac

lamaz adgilze davdgam fexs, yvela

qveyanaSi gavSalo qarTuli

droSa da irgvliv myofebs vuTxra,

rom me saqarTvelodan var. am

saqcieliT erTgvar piars vuwev

Cems samSoblos, radgan rodesac

ucxoelebi xedaven qarTul dro-

Sas, isini interesdebian da mekiTxebian

Tu romeli qveynis droSas

davatareb. ase iwyeba maTTan komunikaciis

pirveli wyaro, rac, saer-

To jamSi maTi saqarTvelosadmi

didi interesiT mTavrdeba da mere

Tavad isini iwyeben mogzaurobas

Cvens samSobloSi.

_ ar giWirT ojaxis gareSe

cxovreba? rogorc vici, Tqveni

Svilebi, mSoblebi da ojaxis sxva

wevrebi saqarTveloSi cxovroben.

_ Zalian mtkivneuli Temaa. sityva

„ar miWirs” es Zalian cotaa

imasTan SedarebiT rasac ganvicdi,

radgan am cxovrebam orad gamglija.

erTi fexi okeanis gaRma _

saqarTveloSi da meore fexi gamoRma

_ kanadaSi maqvs. iciT, me

daojaxebuli var kanadaSi da myavs

Cemi sayvareli biWuna, patara jastini.

rom ara is, me aq amdens ver

gavuZlebdi. misma dabadebam Sema-

Zlebina yvelaferi, rac am dromde

mogiyeviT da aseve myavs saqarTveloSi

pirveli qorwinebidan

ori ulamazesi Svili, romlebic iq

dedasTan izrdebian. isini Cemi sicocxle

da siyvarulebia. me maTi

monatrebiT vaTeneb da vaRameb.

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sakuTar Tavs ratom atyuebT?

sanakrebo golidan oTxive Tanabrad

gagixardaT, Tu 2003 wels

rusebisTvis gatanilma cotaTi

sxva sixaruli moggvaraT?

riT avxsnaT, rom wminda sportuli

TvalsazrisiT ruseTTan am

faqtobrivad arafris momcemma

gamarjvebam xalxi spontanurad

quCaSi gamoiyvana da saxalxo zeimis

sababi misca? SegiZliaT gaixsenoT

saqarTvelos nakrebis Tundac

erTi sxva matCi, romelic

ufro didi zeimis sababi gaxda?

sakuTar TavTan iyaviT gulwrfelebi:

irakli cirekiZis olimpiadis

finalSi gamarjvebis peripetiebi

ukeT gaxsovT, Tu naxevarfinalSi

rusi perSinis daiponebis

Semdeg naCvenebi warwera GEO? iyaviT

gulwrfelebi: swored es epizodi

ratom SemorCa samudamod

Tqvens maxsovrobas?

diax, sakuTar TavTan iyaviT gulwrfelebi

da sakuTar Tavs mainc

gaumxileT, rom ragbiSi rumineTis

damarcxebaze metad ruseTis damarcxeba

gaxarebT.

ratom?

Tu es mxolod sportia, obieqturad

ufro Zlieri rumineTis

damarcxeba ufro ar unda gaxarebdeT?

arada, ubralod dasqroleT

Tqvenive feisbuk-gverdebi, amoagdeT

Tqvenive Zveli nawerebi da sakuTar

Tavs gaumxileT, visi damarcxebisas

ufro emociur statusebsa

da komentarebs werT xolme.

da bolos, piradad CemTvis warmoudgenelia

rusuli armiis gundis

gulSematkivroba, vinc ar unda

TamaSobdes am gundSi, darwmunebuli

var saqarTveloSi umravlesoba

amasve ityvis.

qarTveli

espaneTSi

dabrunda

evropuli kalaTburTis erTerTma

yvelaze TvalsaCino mZime

forvardma, bevri qarTvelisTvis

mZime gadawyvetileba miiRo rusuli

armiis gunds SeuerTda da ar

mgonia, sadavo iyos is faqti rom

putin-ivanovis mier ase brendirebul-gapiarebuli

moskovis cska,

sworedac rom wiTeli rusuli

armiis saxea, im rusuli armiisa,

romelic ori saukunea, umowyalod

gvaviwroebs.

Znelia, gaugo maT, vinc sports

politikisgan mijnavs. putinis sayvarel

falavnebs rom qarTveli

beWebze akravs, an moragbeTagan

rusTa gvemaze, xom bagunobs guli

eniT auwereli siamayiT; malxaz

asaTianis goli mainc gaixseneT,

Cveni daRupuli biWebis cxonebasaviT

rom migviRia...

da rac unda gamijno-gamomijno

da profesiuli ganviTareba-titulebi

axseno, ruseTi mteria, cska

ki _ mtris armiis gundi…

Sansi yovelTvis geZleva adamians

da Tornike Sengelias SeeZlo,

misiT dainteresebuli rusuli

armia demonstraciuli uariT fexebze

daekidebina da ubralod eTqva

yvelaze cnobili rusuli sami

sityva, riTac milionobiT qarTvels

siamayiT aRavsebda da saxalxo

gmiradac iqceoda, magram... asea Tu

ise, man arCevani gaakeTa da amiT

SesaZloa, sarfiani kontraqti da

araerTi titulic moixveWos, ise-

Ti viTareba Seiqna, roca, ginda ar

ginda, sulmnaTi SoTa da misi sibrZne

gaxsendeba: sjobs saxelisa

moxveWa, yovelsa mosaxveWelsa...…

diax, bolo dReebia, qarTul

sportSi mTavari gasarCevi ambavi

swored Tornike Sengelias ÖÑÊÀ-

Si gadasvlaa (kirilicaTi ukeT ikiTxeba

am klubis saxeli). postebsa

da komentarebSi midis damadleba,

dazomeba, Tu vin ufro didi

qarTvelia da vis ra amagi aqvs sam-

Soblos winaSe. da es yvelaferi,

cxadia, damcinavi, Seuracxmyofeli

epiTetebis TanxlebiT.

Tumca qvemoT sxva ram gvsurs

vTqvaT da Tornike Sengelias saxels

aq erTxelac aRar vaxseneb.

gulwrfelobaze unda vTqvaT.

ai, iciT, rogor gulwrfelobaze?

adamiani sakuTar TavTan marto

rom darCeba da maSin mainc rom

unda iyos gulwrfeli, swored im

gulwrfelobaze.

im adamianebis gulwrfelobaze,

sporti da politika erTmaneTisgan

unda gavmijnoTo, rom weren.

modi, sakuTar TavTan iyaviT

gulwrfelebi: malxaz asaTianis 4

evropis top-5 (inglisi, italia,

safrangeTi, germania, espan-

eTi) CempionatSi qarTvelTagan

bolos levn mWedliZem iTamaSa

italiur seria A-Si. da aha, sakmau

pauzis Semdeg espaneTi Cem-

pionatSi uZlieresTa ligaSi,

„levante”-„bilbaos”

matCSi

moedanze giorgi qoCoraSvili

gamoCnda. marTalia, qarTvel

sayrdens moedanze mcire drois

gatareba mouwia, magram, maTavar-

ia, rom ukve la ligaSi gvyavs

Cveneburi. es kargi faqtia. ime-

dia, qoCoraSvils ufro xSirad

da ufro meti droiT vixilavT

moedanze. matCi „levantem” 1:2

daTmo, qoCoraSvili ki moedan-

ze 89-e wuTze Sevida. „levante”

43 quliT me-12 adgilzea da ga-

vardnis safrTxe ar emuqreba. ase

rom, imedi vitovebT, rom qoCoraSvilis

la ligaSi gulSematkivroba

momaval sezonSic mogviwevs…

SegaxsenebT, aqamde la ligaSi

sul or Cvenians giorgi de-

metraZesa (sosiedadi) da SoTa

arvelaZes (levante) _ uTamaSia.

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zidani: àr

mainteresebs, ras

yvelaze

Zviri,

yvelaze

grZeli

fiqrobT...~

roca saqme madridis „reals” exeba, yvelafers eqceva yuradReba. gamarjvebebis

miuxedavad, gulSematkivrebisa da eqspertebis nawili ukmayofiloa,

radgan gundi sanaxaobrivad ar TamaSobs. madridelebma la

ligaSi pirveloba TiTqmis gainaRdes, Tumca Jurnalistebma „realis”

frang mwvrTnel zinedin zidans kiTxvebi esTetikur nawilze dausves:

_ „reali” amJamad kargad TamaSobs?

_ sxvebi ras laparakoben, ar madardebs. yvelas Tavisi azri aqvs, Cveni

mizani ki yvela TamaSSi Zalis demonstrirebaa da amas warmatebiT vaxerxebT

kidec.

_ bevri rom sxvanairad fiqrobs?

_ adamianebi bevr rames amboben, magram „reali” „realia”, msoflioSi

yvelaze mniSvnelovani klubi.

_ samarTliani iqneba, barsa Tu Cempioni gaxdeba?

_ vinc met qulas moagrovebs, Cempionic is gaxdeba...

SegaxsenebT, la ligis damTavrebamde 2 turiT adre „reali” „barselonas”

4 quliT uswrebs.

didi

male wava

legendarulma CogburTelma,

rojer federerma,

sportuli karieris SesaZlo

dasrulebaze komentari gaakeTa.

38 wlis Sveicarielma

Tqva:

„Cemi karieris dasasruli

axlovdeba. ukve danamdvilebiT

vici, rom CogburTi

Zalian momenatreba. simarTle

giTxraT, sportidan wasvla

axlac SemiZlia, magram

amas ar gavakeTeb, radgan TamaSisgan

siamovnebis miReba

kvlav msurs”, _ ambobs federeri.

SegaxsenebT, 8 agvistos

legendarul sportsmens 39

weli Seusruldeba. amJamad

rojeri msoflios me-4 Cogania.

wlevandel sezonSi man 6

Sexvedra Caatara da 5-jer

gaimarjva.

amerikis nacionaluri safexburTo

ligis klub „kanzas-sitis”

mcvelma patrik mahoums-

ma axal da sakmaod grZel, 10-

wlian kontraqts moawera xeli.

24 wlis mahoumsis axali kon-

traqti 2022 wlis sezonis

dasaawyisSi amoqmeddeba.

„mas Semdeg, rac patriki

ramdenime wlis win „Cifsebs”

SemourTda, yvelaze nayofieri

aTleti gaxda sportis yvela

saxeobaSi”,

ambobs klubis

direqtorTa sabWos warmomad-

geneli klark hanti.

wamyvani amerikuli media

darwmunebiT ki acxadebs ma-

houmsis kontraqtis finansur

nawils, _ mahoumsi kontraqtiT

450 milion dolars miiRebso.

es Tanxa, SesaZloa, 503 milion-

amde gaizardos im SemTxvevaSi,

Tu ra warmatebas miaRwevs

klubi am 10 wlis manZilze.

Sedegad, mahoumsi gaxda

msoflio sportis istoriss

yvelaze „msxvili” kontraqtis

mflobeli. aqamde rekordi be-

isbolist maik trautus ekuT-

vnoda, romelmac 2019 wels

„los-anjeles enjelsTan” 12-

wliani da 430-milioniani kon-

traqti gaaforma.

SegaxsenebT, rom „kanzasi”

SarSan San Cempioni gaxda, xolo ma-

houmsi, sezonis gadamwyveti

matCis „superboulis” sauke-

Teso moTamaSe.

kanadaSi

banaki Riaa

qalaqi gamarTlda

sportulma saarbitraJo sasamarTlom

sakuTar vebgverdze „manCester

sitis” Sesaxeb verdiqti gamoaqveyna.

rogorc cnobilia, uefam

„qalaqelebi” evroturnirebidan

ori wliT mokveTa, magram apelaciam

gaWra da „siti” saarbitraJo

sasamarTlom gaamarTla. Sedegad

30-milioni jarima, romelic uefam

britanul klubs gamouwera, 10

milion evromdea Semcirebuli.

SegaxsenebT: uefam „siti”

evroturnirebidan finansuri

fear fleis gamo mokveTa. klubi

sasponsoro xelSekrulebebis finansur

maqinaciebSi iyo SemCneuli.

„sitim” momaval sezonSi CempionTa

ligaze TamaSis ufleba

ukve moipova, Tumca brZlas mimdinare

sezonSic agrZelebs da 7

agvistos mervedfinalis sapasuxo

matCSi madridis „reals” daupirispirdeba.

„qalaqelebma” pirveli

Sexvedra 2:1 moiges.

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goli golze

bergamos „atalantam” turinis

„iuventusTan” 2:2 iTamaSa da

italiis Cempionatebis erT-erTi

unikaluri miRwevac gaimeora.

SexvedraSi angariSi duvan sapatam

gaxsna. es misi me-15 goli iyo

mimdinare sezonSi. amdenive aqvs

gatanili iosip iliCiCs, luis murielis

angariSze ki sulac 17 golia.

amrigad, „atalanta” pirveli

gundia 1952 wlis Semdeg, visac SemadgenlobaSi

15 da meti golis

gamtani erTbaSad sami fexburTeli

hyavs. Soreul 1952-Si turinis

„iuventusis” SesaniSnavma sameulma

uwia am niSnuls ermes mu-

Cinelim, jampiero bonipertim da

ion hansenma.

rac Seexeba evropis top-5 Cempionats,

bolojer metoqeebs golebis

aseTi Tavsxma neimarma, edinson

kavanim da kilian mbapem psJis

maisuriT 2018-2019 wlebis sezonSi

mouwyves.

nacionaluri hokeis ligis

komisris moadgile bili deili

acxadebs, rom ligis xelmZRvaneloba

da profkavSirebi sezonis

gagrZelebaze SeTanxmd-

nen. saamisod orive mxaris koleqtiuri

SeTanxmebis gagrZele-

baa saWiro. Tu protokoli da

SeTanxmeba dakmayofildeba,

NXL-is sawvrTneli banaki 13

ivliss gaiRo. amis Semdeg gun-

debi or qlaqSi gaemgzavrebian,

sadac matCebi Catardeba. jer-

jerobiT ise Cans, rom sezoni

ivlisis bolos an agvistos

dasawyisSi ganaxldeba, xolo

Cempioni oqtomberSi gamovlin-

deba. ufro adre liga sxva versiaze

muSaobda, radgan regu-

laruli sezonis dasruleba ar

surda da sezonis ganaxlebas

arsebuli SedegebiT, pirdapir

flei ofidan gegmavda.

39

CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

kviris horoskopi

verZi

am periodis ganmavlobaSi SesaniSnavad igrZnobT

Tavs. gamoiyeneT es iseTi saqmeebis

Sesasruleblad, romelTaTvisac fizikuri

datvirTvaa saWiro. samsaxurSi drois naklebobis

gamo SeiZleba problemebi warmoiSvas.

ufrosebi moiTxoven Sedegs, Tqven ki saqmis

mocemul vadaSi dasrulebisTvis dro ar gyofniT.

kuro

Tavdajerebuloba axla namdvilad gWirdebaT.

samsaxurSi damatebiTi movaleobis Sesruleba,

saxlSi ki Tqveni interesebis dacva

mogiwevT. imisTvis, rom kargad daisvenoT, rac

aucilebeli iqneba, SabaT-kviras marto wadiT

sadme. aseve, kargia axali codnis SeZena.

tyupi

finansuri sakiTxebi SegawuxebT. SesaZlebelia

didi danakargebi. rTuli iqneba, magram

umjobesia, ar idardoT da fulis gamomuSaveba

daiwyoT. axloblebTan mosalodnelia uTanxmoeba.

gaxsovdeT, rom zogjer ukeTesia daTmoba,

vidre kamaTi.

kirCxibi

varskvlavebi girCeven axla msubuqi gatacebebiT

dakavdeT. seriozul urTierTobas rac

Seexeba, umjobesia daicadoT. am periodis ganmavlobaSi

ojaxuri wyvilebisTvis xelsayrelia

STamomavlobaze fiqri da dagegmva. Tavisufal

dros SeecadeT meti wigni waikiTxoT saintereso

Temebze.

lomi

lomis niSnis zogierT warmomadgenels seriozuli

garigebebi elodeba. frTxilad iyaviT

dokumentebis gafrmebisas. umjobesia axla

fuli dazogoT, an angariSze SeitanoT. nu

gagikvirdebaT, Tu samsaxurSi xrikebs mogiwyoben.

bolo dros Tqveni moqmedebebic mTlad

samagaliTo ver iyo.

qalwuli

ganwyoba TiTqmis yoveldRe SegecvlebaT.

axloblebs TqvenTan urTierToba gauWirdebaT.

SesaZloa mciredi travmebi, Tumca aman SeiZleba

mainc Seaferxos Tqveni momavali gegmebi.

izruneT, rom saxlSi komforti da siTbo gqondeT,

es aucilebelia ara mxolod TqvenTvis,

aramed Tqveni ojaxis wevrebisTvisac.

saswori

axla Tqveni piradi sivrce dagWirdebaT.

uzrunvelyaviT aseTi garemo rogorc saxlSi,

ise samsaxurSi. rac met Sromismoyvareobas gamoiCenT

am periodis ganmavlobaSi, miT ufro

karg Sedegebs miiRebT. zogierT sakiTxSi metismetad

ambiciuri iqnebiT, jobia, ambiciebi

moTokoT.


yovelkvireuli gazeTi gamodis kviraSi

erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze

yovelkvireuli

gamodis samSabaTobiT fasi 2 lari

pirveli gverdi:

1 sm 2 _ 15 lari, maqsimaluri SekveTa 300 sm 2 ;

meore-mesame gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 3 lari;

Sida gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 1 lari;

bolos wina gverdi:

1sm 2 _2 lari;

bolo gverdi:

1sm 2 _ 3 lari,

maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;

mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _

1000 sm 2;

reklama CanarTis saxiT:

A3 3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;

A4 4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)

kviris horoskopi

morieli

uaxloes momavalSi sasiamovno da sasargeblo

nacnoboba geliT. samsaxurSi SeecadeT, Tqveni

organizatoruli unarebi gamoavlinoT.

SesTavazeT daxmareba maT, visac sWirdeba. sxva-

Ta Soris, SesaniSnav urTierTobebs daamyareT

xelmZRvanelobasTan. sruli ufleba gaqvT da

xelsayreli momenticaa, rom xelfasis momateba

moiTxovoT.

mSvildosani

kviris pirvel naxevarSi araerTi Sexvedra

geliT. sasiamovno emociebi geqnebaT, magram

SemdgomSi kargi dasveneba dagWirdebaT. kviris

meore naxevari maqsimalurad mSvid garemoSi,

martom gaatareT. SesaZlebelia erTi-erTi axlo

megobari arakeTilsindisierad mogeqceT, mzad

iyaviT amisTvis.

Txis rqa

am periodSi gamoiCineT cnobismoyvareoba:

dainteresdiT yvela adamianiT, daimaxsovreT

yvelaferi. nu gafantavT Tqvens dros da energias.

daTanxmdiT mxolod im SemoTavazebebs,

romlebic Rirebulia. zogierT SemTxvevaSi mogiwevT

megobrebs daxmareba sTxovoT. gaakeTeT es,

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi „gadaiwvebiT“.

merwyuli

sayvarel adamianebTan konfliqtebi, romlebic

mosalodnelia, saboloo jamSi Tqvens

janmrTelobaze aisaxeba. SesaZlebelia qronikuli

daavadebebis gamwvaveba da axali daavadebis

SeZena. varskvlavebi axla raime axlis wamowyebas

ar girCeven. ufro metic, TqvenTvis rTuli iqneba

koncentrireba samuSaoze.

Tevzebi

am kviraSi umjobesia Tqveni problemebi sxvebs

ar gauziaroT. es SeiZleba Tqven winaaRmdeg

gamoiyenon. SeecadeT „moTokoT“ Tqveni

emociebi da ufro mSvidi da gawonasworebuli

iyoT. ifiqreT imaze, Tu ra SeiZleba Seicvalos

Tqvens cxovrebaSi. axla mcire cvlilebebisTvis

xelsayreli periodia.

1 aSS dolari

3.0614

1 evro

3.4673

1 girvanqa sterlingi

3.8568

100 rusuli rubli

4.3180

amindi

samSabaTi

oTxSabaTi

xuTSabaTi

paraskevi

SabaTi

kvira

orSabaTi

Tbilisi

29-32 0

30-32 0

29-31 0

26-28 0

30-32 0

31-33 0

32-34 0

quTaisi

24-26 0

28-31 0

30-32 0

27-30 0

29-31 0

33-35 0

30-32 0

baTumi

26-28 0

27-29 0

28-30 0

25-27 0

26-28 0

27-29 0

28-30 0

zugdidi

25-27 0

28-30 0

29-31 0

26-28 0

29-31 0

30-32 0

29-31 0

gori

24-26 0

27-29 0

28-30 0

23-25 0

27-29 0

28-30 0

31-33 0

Telavi

31-33 0

33-35 0

31-33 0

30-32 0

33-35 0

34-36 0

35-37 0

foTi

26-28 0

27-30 0

28-30 0

26-28 0

28-30 0

29-31 0

28-30 0

40

saredaqcio kolegia

yvela ufleba daculia;

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masalebis nebismieri saxiT

gamoyeneba da gavrceleba

redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad

akrZalulia!

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masalebs aqvT sareklamo

xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia

SeiZleba ar daemTxves

redaqciis Sexedulebas.

mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)

marsagiSvili Sorena 599 92 16 22

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55

injgia nene 591 71 39 98

sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 90

qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40

mamulaZe xviCa 598 41 12 26

deviZe daviT

stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;

redaqciis misamarTi:

Tbilisi, gudauris N3,

pirveli sarTuli, bina 4;

tel.: 294 69 77;

sareklamo ganyofileba,

gavrcelebis samsaxuri

Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10

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