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`ivaniSvili Tavisive Seqmnili
arCevnebamde oTxi TviT adre
giorgi abaSiZe
qveyanaSi usamarTlobis gancda
gamZafrda da TiTqos warsulSi
davbrundiT, anu 2012 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis winac,
praqtikulad, aseTi viTareba gvqonda _ nebismieri adamiani
maSindeli xelisuflebis Tavgasulobaze mianiSnebda da erTi
suli hqonda, „nacionalebi” xelisuflebidan wasuliyvnen.
SesaZloa, maSindeli da axlandeli
mocemulobis Sedareba
vinmes ar moewonos, magram 19
wlis fexburTelis, giorgi
SaqaraSvilis sadisturma mkvlelobam
kidev erTxel xazgasmiT
dagvanaxa, rom qveyanaSi
dausjelobis sindromi pikSia,
anu Tu „zeviT” Zalian gavleniani
an, Tundac, saSualod gavleniani
nacnobi gyavs, SegiZlia,
nebismieri saxis kriminali Caidino,
magram amisTvis pasuxs
aravin mogTxovs da Sens „Sav
saqmes” momentalurad „gaasufTaveben”.
es ki imaze mianiSnebs,
rom am qveyanaSi adamiani,
rogorc mTavari Rirebuleba,
aravis ainteresebs. yovel SemTxvevaSi,
xelisufleba sakuTari
moqalaqeebis usafrTxoebaze
rom ar zrunavs, es polaruli
RamesaviT naTelia.
„qristian-demokratiuli
moZraobis” lideri goCa jojua
Cvens gamocemasTan ambobs, rom
im dros, roca xelisufleba adamians
„fexze ikidebs”, es erT
rameze mianiSnebs, rom mmarTveli
partia, ubralod, dalpa!
zogadad, saqarTvelos uaxles
istorias Tu gadavxedavT,
es pirveli SemTxveva araa, roca
xelisuflebas lpoba Seepara,
Tumca, adrindelis msgavsad,
mmarTvel elitas amis aRiareba
ar unda da iseTi poza uWiravs,
rom TiTqos yvelaferi Zalian
kargadaa. arada, sinamdvileSi,
yvelaze apolitikuri moqalaqec
xvdeba, rom „daniis samefoSi
raRac ayrolda!”
„yoveli dRe ki ara, yoveli
saaTi „ocnebas” xelisuflebas
aSorebs”, _ acxadebs goCa joj-
ua da „qronika+”-isTvis micemul
vrcel interviuSi politikuri
dajgufebebis Sida ome-
bze detalurad mogviTxrobs:
_ batono goCa, saubari, cxadia,
19 wlis fexburTelis mkv-
lelobiT unda daviwyoT da is
kiTxva unda dagisvaT, romli-
Tac bolo dros yvela respon-
dents mivmarTav: am tragediam,
romelmac politikuri dRis
wesrigi Secvala, adamianebSi
usamarTlobis gancda kidev
ufro gaaZliera?
_ erTi SexedviT, politikuri
dRis wesrigi, TiTqos, marTlac,
gadaiwia, magram vfiqrob, aranaklebi
dRis wesrigia, roca saqme
adamians exeba. saerTod, politika
adamianebis gareSe ar arsebobs,
iseT saxelmwifoSi ki, sadac
adamiani wina planze ar idga,
erTxel ukve vicxovreT.
_ wina xelisuflebas gulisx-
mobT?
_ ara, sabWoTa kavSirs, sadac,
erTi mxriv, maRali socialuri
daculoba iyo da infrastruqturac
ganviTarebuli gaxldaT,
magram, meore mxriv, wina planze
adamiani ar iyo wamoweuli. rac
Seexeba „nacionaluri moZraobis”
mmarTvelobas, im dros gzebi
keTdeboda da saxelmwifo institutebic
Sendeboda, magram adamiani
maSinac ukana planze idga.
mokled, yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare,
savsebiT normaluria,
rom „SaqaraSvilis saqmem” yvela
sxva sakiTxi gverdze gadaswia da
pirvel planze adamiani wamovida.
es ki, rogorc giTxariT,
politikaa.
_ sxvaTa Soris, „ocnebaSi”
amboben, 19 wlis fexburTelis
mkvleloba Cveulebrivi krimi-
nalia da calkeuli jgufebi
politikuri miznebisTvis ar
unda iyenebdneno...
_ aseTi gancxadebebi sxvadasxva
xelisuflebisa da xelisuflebebSi
myofi sxvadasxva adamianis
mier ramdenjer gvaqvs
mosmenili? hoda, „ocneba” pirveli
araa, romelic amas ambobs da
piradad me arc mikvirs. ubralod,
„ocnebam” unda gaixsenos,
aseTi komentarebis Semdeg misi
winamorbedebis saqme rogor
damTavrda. ise, politikuri spekuklacia
ras niSnavs? Cveulebrivia,
roca politikuri
Zalebi xelisuflebis danaSaulebrivi
Secdomis gamoyenebas
cdiloben da amis gamo xelisufleba
ratom Riziandeba? Tu
unda, rom ase ar iyos, maSin yvelaferi
sworad gaakeTos.
_ batono goCa, xom ar
geCvenebaT, rom SaqaraSvilis
mkvlelobas erTmaneTTan an-
gariSsworebisTvis „ocnebis”
sxvadasxva frTa iyenebs? am versias
arsebobis ufleba imito-
mac aqvs, rom saqmeSi „kawro” da,
zogadad, kriminaluri avtoritetebi
figurireben. cnobil-
ia kaxa kalaZis fraza „Svid sul
qurdze”, aseve kuluarebSi ima-
sac ar malaven, rom kalaZesa da
premiers arcTu kargi urTier-
Toba aqvT da amaze „qronika+”
werda...
_ gamosaricxi araferia da es
Cveulebrivi simptomebia.
_ risi simptomebi?
_ xelisuflebis lpobis! sxva-
Ta Soris, Tavis droze, „nacmoZraobasac”
swored es daemar-
Ta.
_ ras gulisxmobT?
_ gavixsenoT Tundac „girgvlianis
saqme”... mokled, xelisufleba
mxolod imaze fiqrobs,
rom Zalauflebas moeWidos da,
paralelurad, xalxis mier Seqmnili
sikeTeebis Sida gadanawilebiTaa
dakavebuli. es kidev
erTi niSania, rom „ocneba” xelisuflebidan
namdvilad midis,
anu „ocnebam”, rogorc xelisuflebam,
sakuTari Tavi amowura
da SigniT iseTi procesebia dawyebuli,
romelic bolos mouRebs
da daamTavrebs mas! sxvaTa
Soris, „SaqaraSvilis saqmeze”
xSirad iseTi informaciebi vrceldeba,
romelic aSkarad
struqturebidanaa gamosuli,
Tumca xelisuflebaSi patiosani
adamianebic arian, romlebic ma-
Sin, roca lpoba iwyeba, moqmedebas
iwyeben da esec Cveulebrivia,
anu patiosani adamianebi ver
itanen, roca saxelmwifo maT
garkveuli politikuri Tu korufciuli
miznebisTvis iyenebs!
ise, korufcia maincdamainc fulis
aRebas ar niSnavs. isic korufciaa,
roca simarTles garkveuli
jgufebis interesebidan
gamomdinare xels afareb!
_ Tqveni informaciiT, „ocnebis”
romeli jgufebi ebrZvi-
goCa jojua:
`am saxelmwifoSi
Tuki Zalaufleba
gaqvs, maSin
aucileblad
marTali xar~
an erTmaneTs?
_ saubari mxolod kalaZisa da
gaxarias jgufebze araa. yvelaferi
ufro Rrmad midis da
SeiZleba, kidev ufro CaiSalos.
_ anu?
_ Tundac am or dajgufebaSi
raRac qveinteresebic arsebobs,
romelic, rogorc giTxariT,
xalxis mier Seqmnili sikeTeebis
gadanawilebas ukavSirdeba. am
qveyanaSi saxelmwifo saqmeebi
didi xania, daviwyebulia da mxolod
imaze arian gadasulebi,
rom garkveuli mdgomareoba da
socialuri statusi rogorme
SeinarCunon da sazogadoebis
mier Seqmnil dovlaTze rac Sei-
Zleba didxans miuwvdebodeT
xeli! sxvaTa Soris, yvelafer
amas pirveli piric aRiarebs.
yovel SemTxvevaSi, Tavad Tqva,
biznesmenebi davsxi da davelaparakeo.
anu am saxelmwifoSi
Tuki Zalaufleba gaqvs, maSin
aucileblad marTali xar. sima-
`SaqaraSvilis saqmeze~ xSirad iseTi
informaciebi vrceldeba, romelic aSkarad
struqturebidanaa gamosuli, Tumca
xelisuflebaSi patiosani adamianebic arian,
romlebic maSin, roca lpoba iwyeba,
moqmedebas iwyeben da esec Cveulebrivia, anu
patiosani adamianebi ver itanen, roca
saxelmwifo maT garkveuli politikuri Tu
korufciuli miznebisTvis iyenebs!~
rTle da morali ki xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebs naklebad
awuxebT!
_ e. i., „ocneba” or frontze
ibrZvis, anu opoziciis dasamarebasac
cdilobs da Sida ome-
bic aqvs, ara?
_ aq mxolod xelisuflebaze
araa saubari. interesTa jgufebi
SeiZleba, opoziciaSic arsebobdnen.
_ es rogor?
_ es jgufebi xelisuflebasTan
Sezrdilebi arian... roca
oligarqiaze vsaubrobT, es mxolod
ivaniSvilis oligarqia
araa. cxadia, sawyisi isaa, magram,
sinamdvileSi, saubaria politikaSi
arsebul interesTa jgufebze.
am jgufebidan nawili xelisuflebaSia,
nawili ki _ opoziciaSi.
am interesTa jgufebs naklebad
ainteresebT, politikuri
fasadi rogor Seicvleba,
anu maTTvis mniSvneloba ar aqvs,
xelisuflebaSi romeli politikuri
Zala iqneba, radgan yvela
xelisuflebasTan Sezrdilebi
arian. finansuri nakadebi
swored ase nawildeba. mokled,
es adamianebi yovelTvis komfortis
zonaSi arian.
_ „komfortis zona” ras niS-
navs?
_ ai, Tundac Sida brZolebi,
razedac weRan vsaubrobdiT,
„komfortis zonidan” gamosvlas
ar niSnavs. es brZolebi swored
„komfortis zonis” SenarCunebas
ukavSirdeba. erTi sityviT, xelisufebasa
da opozicias bevri
saerTo aqvs!
_ Cveneburi opozicia Zalian
Wrelia. hoda, damikonkreteT,
opoziciis romel frTas aqvs
xelisuflebasTan saerTo?
_ imas, romelic xelisuflebaSi
iyo, anu saubaria yofili
xelisuflebisgan Seqmnil opoziciur
partiebze. dRevandeli
xelisufleba da es opoziciuri
partiebi erTmaneTisgan sistemurad
ar gansxvavdebian. maTTvis
mTavari Zalauflebaa, raTa finansuri
nakadebi marTon. es ki
tipuri oligarqiaa!
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