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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`ivaniSvili Tavisive SeqmniliarCevnebamde oTxi TviT adregiorgi abaSiZeqveyanaSi usamarTlobis gancdagamZafrda da TiTqos warsulSidavbrundiT, anu 2012 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis winac,praqtikulad, aseTi viTareba gvqonda _ nebismieri adamianimaSindeli xelisuflebis Tavgasulobaze mianiSnebda da erTisuli hqonda, „nacionalebi” xelisuflebidan wasuliyvnen.SesaZloa, maSindeli da axlandelimocemulobis Sedarebavinmes ar moewonos, magram 19wlis fexburTelis, giorgiSaqaraSvilis sadisturma mkvlelobamkidev erTxel xazgasmiTdagvanaxa, rom qveyanaSidausjelobis sindromi pikSia,anu Tu „zeviT” Zalian gavlenianian, Tundac, saSualod gavlenianinacnobi gyavs, SegiZlia,nebismieri saxis kriminali Caidino,magram amisTvis pasuxsaravin mogTxovs da Sens „Savsaqmes” momentalurad „gaasufTaveben”.es ki imaze mianiSnebs,rom am qveyanaSi adamiani,rogorc mTavari Rirebuleba,aravis ainteresebs. yovel SemTxvevaSi,xelisufleba sakuTarimoqalaqeebis usafrTxoebazerom ar zrunavs, es polaruliRamesaviT naTelia.„qristian-demokratiulimoZraobis” lideri goCa jojuaCvens gamocemasTan ambobs, romim dros, roca xelisufleba adamians„fexze ikidebs”, es erTrameze mianiSnebs, rom mmarTvelipartia, ubralod, dalpa!zogadad, saqarTvelos uaxlesistorias Tu gadavxedavT,es pirveli SemTxveva araa, rocaxelisuflebas lpoba Seepara,Tumca, adrindelis msgavsad,mmarTvel elitas amis aRiarebaar unda da iseTi poza uWiravs,rom TiTqos yvelaferi Zaliankargadaa. arada, sinamdvileSi,yvelaze apolitikuri moqalaqecxvdeba, rom „daniis samefoSiraRac ayrolda!”„yoveli dRe ki ara, yovelisaaTi „ocnebas” xelisuflebasaSorebs”, _ acxadebs goCa joj-ua da „qronika+”-isTvis micemulvrcel interviuSi politikuridajgufebebis Sida ome-bze detalurad mogviTxrobs:_ batono goCa, saubari, cxadia,19 wlis fexburTelis mkv-lelobiT unda daviwyoT da iskiTxva unda dagisvaT, romli-Tac bolo dros yvela respon-dents mivmarTav: am tragediam,romelmac politikuri dRiswesrigi Secvala, adamianebSiusamarTlobis gancda kidevufro gaaZliera?_ erTi SexedviT, politikuridRis wesrigi, TiTqos, marTlac,gadaiwia, magram vfiqrob, aranaklebidRis wesrigia, roca saqmeadamians exeba. saerTod, politikaadamianebis gareSe ar arsebobs,iseT saxelmwifoSi ki, sadacadamiani wina planze ar idga,erTxel ukve vicxovreT._ wina xelisuflebas gulisx-mobT?_ ara, sabWoTa kavSirs, sadac,erTi mxriv, maRali socialuridaculoba iyo da infrastruqturacganviTarebuli gaxldaT,magram, meore mxriv, wina planzeadamiani ar iyo wamoweuli. racSeexeba „nacionaluri moZraobis”mmarTvelobas, im dros gzebikeTdeboda da saxelmwifo institutebicSendeboda, magram adamianimaSinac ukana planze idga.mokled, yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare,savsebiT normaluria,rom „SaqaraSvilis saqmem” yvelasxva sakiTxi gverdze gadaswia dapirvel planze adamiani wamovida.es ki, rogorc giTxariT,politikaa._ sxvaTa Soris, „ocnebaSi”amboben, 19 wlis fexburTelismkvleloba Cveulebrivi krimi-nalia da calkeuli jgufebipolitikuri miznebisTvis arunda iyenebdneno..._ aseTi gancxadebebi sxvadasxvaxelisuflebisa da xelisuflebebSimyofi sxvadasxva adamianismier ramdenjer gvaqvsmosmenili? hoda, „ocneba” pirveliaraa, romelic amas ambobs dapiradad me arc mikvirs. ubralod,„ocnebam” unda gaixsenos,aseTi komentarebis Semdeg misiwinamorbedebis saqme rogordamTavrda. ise, politikuri spekuklaciaras niSnavs? Cveulebrivia,roca politikuriZalebi xelisuflebis danaSaulebriviSecdomis gamoyenebascdiloben da amis gamo xelisuflebaratom Riziandeba? Tuunda, rom ase ar iyos, maSin yvelaferisworad gaakeTos._ batono goCa, xom argeCvenebaT, rom SaqaraSvilismkvlelobas erTmaneTTan an-gariSsworebisTvis „ocnebis”sxvadasxva frTa iyenebs? am versiasarsebobis ufleba imito-mac aqvs, rom saqmeSi „kawro” da,zogadad, kriminaluri avtoritetebifigurireben. cnobil-ia kaxa kalaZis fraza „Svid sulqurdze”, aseve kuluarebSi ima-sac ar malaven, rom kalaZesa dapremiers arcTu kargi urTier-Toba aqvT da amaze „qronika+”werda..._ gamosaricxi araferia da esCveulebrivi simptomebia._ risi simptomebi?_ xelisuflebis lpobis! sxva-Ta Soris, Tavis droze, „nacmoZraobasac”swored es daemar-Ta._ ras gulisxmobT?_ gavixsenoT Tundac „girgvlianissaqme”... mokled, xelisuflebamxolod imaze fiqrobs,rom Zalauflebas moeWidos da,paralelurad, xalxis mier SeqmnilisikeTeebis Sida gadanawilebiTaadakavebuli. es kideverTi niSania, rom „ocneba” xelisuflebidannamdvilad midis,anu „ocnebam”, rogorc xelisuflebam,sakuTari Tavi amowurada SigniT iseTi procesebia dawyebuli,romelic bolos mouRebsda daamTavrebs mas! sxvaTaSoris, „SaqaraSvilis saqmeze”xSirad iseTi informaciebi vrceldeba,romelic aSkaradstruqturebidanaa gamosuli,Tumca xelisuflebaSi patiosaniadamianebic arian, romlebic ma-Sin, roca lpoba iwyeba, moqmedebasiwyeben da esec Cveulebrivia,anu patiosani adamianebi veritanen, roca saxelmwifo maTgarkveuli politikuri Tu korufciulimiznebisTvis iyenebs!ise, korufcia maincdamainc fulisaRebas ar niSnavs. isic korufciaa,roca simarTles garkveulijgufebis interesebidangamomdinare xels afareb!_ Tqveni informaciiT, „ocnebis”romeli jgufebi ebrZvi-goCa jojua:`am saxelmwifoSiTuki Zalauflebagaqvs, maSinaucilebladmarTali xar~an erTmaneTs?_ saubari mxolod kalaZisa dagaxarias jgufebze araa. yvelaferiufro Rrmad midis daSeiZleba, kidev ufro CaiSalos._ anu?_ Tundac am or dajgufebaSiraRac qveinteresebic arsebobs,romelic, rogorc giTxariT,xalxis mier Seqmnili sikeTeebisgadanawilebas ukavSirdeba. amqveyanaSi saxelmwifo saqmeebididi xania, daviwyebulia da mxolodimaze arian gadasulebi,rom garkveuli mdgomareoba dasocialuri statusi rogormeSeinarCunon da sazogadoebismier Seqmnil dovlaTze rac Sei-Zleba didxans miuwvdebodeTxeli! sxvaTa Soris, yvelaferamas pirveli piric aRiarebs.yovel SemTxvevaSi, Tavad Tqva,biznesmenebi davsxi da davelaparakeo.anu am saxelmwifoSiTuki Zalaufleba gaqvs, maSinaucileblad marTali xar. sima-`SaqaraSvilis saqmeze~ xSirad iseTiinformaciebi vrceldeba, romelic aSkaradstruqturebidanaa gamosuli, TumcaxelisuflebaSi patiosani adamianebic arian,romlebic maSin, roca lpoba iwyeba,moqmedebas iwyeben da esec Cveulebrivia, anupatiosani adamianebi ver itanen, rocasaxelmwifo maT garkveuli politikuri Tukorufciuli miznebisTvis iyenebs!~rTle da morali ki xelisuflebiswarmomadgenlebs naklebadawuxebT!_ e. i., „ocneba” or frontzeibrZvis, anu opoziciis dasamarebasaccdilobs da Sida ome-bic aqvs, ara?_ aq mxolod xelisuflebazearaa saubari. interesTa jgufebiSeiZleba, opoziciaSic arsebobdnen._ es rogor?_ es jgufebi xelisuflebasTanSezrdilebi arian... rocaoligarqiaze vsaubrobT, es mxolodivaniSvilis oligarqiaaraa. cxadia, sawyisi isaa, magram,sinamdvileSi, saubaria politikaSiarsebul interesTa jgufebze.am jgufebidan nawili xelisuflebaSia,nawili ki _ opoziciaSi.am interesTa jgufebs naklebadainteresebT, politikurifasadi rogor Seicvleba,anu maTTvis mniSvneloba ar aqvs,xelisuflebaSi romeli politikuriZala iqneba, radgan yvelaxelisuflebasTan Sezrdilebiarian. finansuri nakadebiswored ase nawildeba. mokled,es adamianebi yovelTvis komfortiszonaSi arian._ „komfortis zona” ras niS-navs?_ ai, Tundac Sida brZolebi,razedac weRan vsaubrobdiT,„komfortis zonidan” gamosvlasar niSnavs. es brZolebi swored„komfortis zonis” SenarCunebasukavSirdeba. erTi sityviT, xelisufebasada opozicias bevrisaerTo aqvs!_ Cveneburi opozicia ZalianWrelia. hoda, damikonkreteT,opoziciis romel frTas aqvsxelisuflebasTan saerTo?_ imas, romelic xelisuflebaSiiyo, anu saubaria yofilixelisuflebisgan Seqmnil opoziciurpartiebze. dRevandelixelisufleba da es opoziciuripartiebi erTmaneTisgan sistemuradar gansxvavdebian. maTTvismTavari Zalauflebaa, raTa finansurinakadebi marTon. es kitipuri oligarqiaa!1414 N15 (317) 14.07-20.07.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.commaxinji sistemis mona da tyvea!~_ yofili xelisufleba ornawiladaa gayofili. Tqven „na-cionalur moZraobaze” svamTmaxvils, batono goCa, Tu „evro-pul saqarTveloze”?_ albaT, gaxsovT, „evropulisaqarTvelo” rogorc Seiqmna._ maxsovs, mere?_ es adamianebi mudmivadportirdebian... yvelaferi,rasac vxedavT, aisbergis Tavia,Torem is, rac wyalqveS xdeba,calke Temaa._ raze mianiSnebT?_ es veeberTela finansurisivrcea, romelsac adamianebipolitikaSi xan mohyavs, xan _mihyavs. sxvaTa Soris, nebismierdainteresebul adamians Seu-Zlia, advilad naxos, tendereb-Si visi kompaniebi imarjveben.amis gakeTeba saxelmwifos xelSewyobisgareSe SeuZlebeliada amas Tavadac aRiareben. ai, magaliTad,gvaxsovs xazaraZisgancxadebebi, Tumca es mxolodmas ki ara, yvela im finansurjgufs exeba, romelsac saxelmwifomkomfortuli situaciaSeuqmna. es karteluri jgufebia,romlebic yovelgvar kontrolsmiRma arian, anu yvela msxvilikompania cdilobs, rom saxelmwifosSeezardos da saxelmwifosikeTeebi, rac sinamdvileSixalxs ekuTvnis, masTan gaiyos.sanam sistema ar Seicvleba, mudmivadam situaciaSi viqnebiT dasistematurad vxedavT, am piramidisSemadgeneli CinovnikebisakuTar gavlenebs rogor icaven!_ batono goCa, ra amis pasuxiada, ramdenime dRis win premierma,praqtikulad, daadastura,rom biZina ivaniSvili „oc-nebis” saarCevno siaSi iqneba. esivaniSvilis morgi triukia?_ xom gaxsovT, nodar dumba-Zis „kukaraCaSia”, _ murtalo,dagiZvelda triukebio! ra mniSvnelobaaqvs, „ocnebam” Tavisiwaqceuli falavani gind Seitanosda gind _ gamoitanos. mefeSiSvelia! yvelam yvelaferiZalian kargad viciT... ise, simarTlerom vTqvaT, damoukidebelfigurad kalaZis moazrebaufro SeiZleba._ ki batono, magram sxva ramgkiTxeT, anu Tu saarCevno siispirveli nomeri iqneba, amiTivaniSvili, romelic fiqrobs,rom sazogadoebis Warbi ndobaisev aqvs, „ocnebisTvis” „maSvelirgolis” funqciis Sesrule-bas kidev erTxel Seecdeba?_ vfiqrob, ivaniSvils aRarhgonia, rom sazogadoebis Warbindoba aqvs, miT umetes, mas Semdeg,rac saprezidento arCevnebismeore turis dros piroba dado,erT weliwadSi yvelafersSevcvlio da detalurad CamoTvala,ras gaakeTebda. am adamiansmaSin utifroba eyo, rom xalxisTvismiemarTa da eTqva, boloSansi momeciTo. xalxma boloSansi misca, radgan sazogadoebisgarkveul nawils egona, rom`mTeli sazogadoeba SaqaraSvilis saqmeze laparakobs da es adamianic xom amqveyanaSi cxovrobs? gasagebia, rom Sexeba viwro wresTan aqvs, magram amTemis ignorirebas misi televiziebic ver axerxeben. ase rom, am kuTxiT rasituaciacaa, Zalian kargad icis, magram Tavis mierve Seqmnili maxinjiinstituciis mona da tyvea!~saprezidento arCevnebSi grigolvaSaZis gamarjveba xelisuflebaSi„nacionaluri moZraobis”mobrunebas niSnavda, magrames „bolo Sansi” „posles posle”aRmoCnda._ anu?_ roca adamians fuli ar aqvs,maRaziidan produqtebi nisiad,anu „posleze” moaqvs da gamyidvelseubneba, mere gadagixdio.arCevnebis dros ivaniSvilisgangacemuli „bolo Sansi” aseTi„posle” iyo. axla ki, Tu „ocnebis”saarCevno siaSi iqneba, saxeze„posles posle” gveqneba._ e. i., „ocnebas” ivaniSvilicveRar gadaarCens?_ rasakvirvelia, ver gadaar-Cens! ivaniSvili gemis is kapitania,romelic aqamde portSiijda, Tumca mis gareSe erTinabijic ar gadadgmula. Sesabamisad,imis Tqma, rom man TiTqosaraferi icoda, ar SeiZleba damisive saubrebidan Cans, rom yvelamniSvnelovan ambavSi CarTuliada nebismier saWirborotosakiTxs araformalurad wyvets.swored aman daRupa, anu is,rogorc politikosi, ver Camoyalibdada misi pirovnuli tragediacswored es aris, rom egona,aseTi formiT warmatebas miaRwevda,Torem ar vfiqrob, romivaniSvils undoda, aseTi gaubedurebuliqveyana migveRo. ubralod,Tavidanve egona, rom TumarTvis yvela sadaves xelSiCaigdebda, aseTi patara da mcireekonomikis qveynis marTva Zalianadvili iqneboda, anu mas saxelmwifosmarTva ver warmoedgina.ivaniSvili romelime pirovnebas`vfiqrob, ivaniSvils aRar hgonia, romsazogadoebis Warbi ndoba aqvs, miT umetes,mas Semdeg, rac saprezidento arCevnebismeore turis dros piroba dado, erTweliwadSi yvelafers Sevcvlio dadetalurad CamoTvala, ras gaakeTebda. amadamians maSin utifroba eyo, rom xalxisTvismiemarTa da eTqva, bolo Sansi momeciTo.xalxma bolo Sansi misca, radgansazogadoebis garkveul nawils egona, romsaprezidento arCevnebSi grigol vaSaZisgamarjveba xelisuflebaSi `nacionalurimoZraobis~ mobrunebas niSnavda, magram es`bolo Sansi~ `posles posle~ aRmoCnda~ki ara, saxelmwifo instituciasebrZvis!_ batono goCa, ambobT, romyvela sakiTxi ivaniSvilTanlagdeba. e. i., „SaqaraSvilis saq-mis” „gasufTavebac” masTanaaSeTanxmebuli?_ mTeli sazogadoeba SaqaraSvilissaqmeze laparakobs da esadamianic xom am qveyanaSi cxovrobs?gasagebia, rom Sexebaviwro wresTan aqvs, magram amTemis ignorirebas misi televiziebicver axerxeben. ase rom, amkuTxiT ra situaciacaa, Zaliankargad icis, magram Tavis mierveSeqmnili maxinji instituciismona da tyvea!_ batono goCa, kidev erTisakiTxi, romelzedac minda vi-saubroT, am Temas ar exeba, anurogorc ganacxadeT, saarCevnodpolitikur moZraoba „tribunasTan”gegmavT TanamSromlobas,anu „qristian-demokratiulimoZraoba” aRar iarsebebsda daviT WiWinaZis parti-is wevri gaxdebiT?_ es forma saarCevno situaciazeadamokidebuli._ arCevnebi karsaa momdgarida, wesiT, ukve Camoyalibebuliunda iyoT._ ki batono, magram kidev bevriram Seicvleba._ mainc, ra Seicvleba?_ merwmuneT, dRevandeli vi-Tarebisgan agvisto sruliadgansxvavebuli iqneba, anu situaciayoveldRiurad Seicvleba._ ukeTesobisken Tu uareso-bisken?_ damZimdeba da yoveli dReki ara, saaTic ki „ocnebas” xelisuflebisganaSorebs._ es gasagebia, magram „tri-bunasTan” kolaboracia goCajojuas ras miscems an WiWina-ZisTvis Rirebuli Tqven ratomxarT?_ es, pirvel rigSi, ideurierTobaa._ anu?_ daTo WiWinaZesTan didi xnisurTierToba maqvs. is nabijebi,romelic man gadadga, advili ariyo._ ras gulisxmobT?_ dRes erTaderTi gamosavalitribunidan tribunalamdea,anu saxelmwifom mkacri xeliunda gamoiCinos da sazogadoebasdaanaxos, rom instituciaa,anu sistema fundamenturadunda Seicvalos. saxelmwifosroli da funqcia, Tundac bankebTanmimarTebiT, unda gaizardosda, sxvaTa Soris, swored esxdeba aSS-Sic, sadac Tavisufalisazogadoeba arsebobs. magramiqac dadga imis saWiroeba, rombankebTan, rogorc saxelmwifosmterTan brZolaSi, saxelmwifosroli gaizardos._ mokled, Tqveni mTavarisaarCevno, ase vTqvaT, laitmo-tivi komerciul bankebTanbrZola iqneba?_ banki mxolod erTi konkretulifinansuri instituti araris._ aba, kidev ra aris?_ banki saxelmwifosTvis xelisSemSlelia._ es rogor?_ sabanko sistemaSi saxelmwifosroli unda gaizardos da ammxriv sistemuri cvlileba aucilebelia!„ocneba” da Tundac„nacionaluri moZraoba” ki sworedam sistemur cvlilebaze arsaubrobs. yvelafris safuZvel-Ta safuZveli isaa, Tu rogoriekonomika gveqneba, anu TuZlieri suverenuli ekonomika argvaqvs, maSin nebismieri Tavisuflebamxolod qimeraa. martoekonomikurad Zlier adamiansSeuZlia, rom cxovrebaSi realuriTavisufleba, ase vTqvaT,gaataros! Cven mokavSireebsswored am kuTxiT veZebT. saer-Tod, Tu daakvirdebiT, mTelmsoflioSi faseulobebis fundamenturicvlilebebi mimdinareobsda vinc am kuTxiTSeiZleba, mokavSire iyos, jerjerobiT,daviT WiWinaZea._ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma-gram Tqvens gaerTianebas raSansi eqneba, rom arCevnebzeiseT did opoziciur partiebs,rogorebic „nacionaluri moZ-raoba” Tu igive „evropuli sa-qarTveloa”, realuri konku-rencia gauwios?_ Cven maTgan gansxvavebulebivarT!_ da es gansxvavebuloba riTgamoixateba?_ isini sazogadoebas isev imekonomikur models sTavazoben,romelic aqamde iyo, magram faqtia,rom am modelma CixSi Segviyvana.Cven ki sazogadoebasveubnebiT, rom mTavari saxelmwifosfasadis ki ara, fundamentisSecvlaa, anu isini mxolodfasadur da struqturul cvlilebebzesaubroben. arada,liberaluri mimarTulebebi, sinamdvileSi,qimeraa. kidev erTxelgavimeoreb: Tu myari ekonomikurifundamenti ar gveqneba,arc natos vWirdebiT da arc_ evropas! aseT SemTxvevaSi Cveulebrividanamati, anu ufunqciosaxelmwifo viqnebiT!N15 (317) 14.07-20.07.2020 w.15
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