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`xalxs xelisuflebac yelSi

opoziciis didi nawili darwmu-

Sorena marsagiSvili

nebulia, rom Semodgomaze „qarTu-

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li ocneba” arCevnebSi marcxs ganicdis.

mmarTveli partiis damarcxebis

survili leiboristuli partiis wevr giorgi giuaSvil-

sac aqvs, magram opoziciis sayovelTao aRtacebas ar iziarebs.

misi TqmiT, opozicia naadrevad zeimobs gamarjvebas. giuaSvils

did imeds arc sanqciebis Tema aZlevs. misi azriT, biZina ivaniS-

vili yelafers gaakeTebs, rom Zalaufleba SeinarCunos.

ratom ver daaxevinebs ukan

sanqciebi „qarTuli ocnebis”

liders? ra Secdomebs uSvebs

opozicia? ra procesebi midis

mmarTvel partiaSi? ra Worebs

uvrceleben erTmaneTs „qarTuli

ocnebis” wevrebi? ra Sedegis

miRweva SeuZlia opozi-

cias arCevnebze? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb giorgi giuaSvili

„qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ batono giorgi, aSS-m ukve

Riad Tqva, rom saqarTvelos

winaaRmdeg sanqciebs gamoiyenebs,

Tu aq procesebi demok-

ratiulad ar ganviTardeba.

Tqveni kolegebi opoziciidan

fiqroben, rom es „qarTul oc-

nebasa” da biZina ivaniSvils

arCevnebis gayalbebaSi xels

SeuSlis.

_ sanqciebis Tema Semakavebeli

iqneba, magram es faqtori

ivaniSvils ganzraxvis sisrule-

Si moyvanaze xels ver aaRebinebs.

me arc imas gamovricxav,

rom biZina ivaniSvili yvelafers

akeTebdes saimisod,

raTa Cveni qveynisTvis sanqciebi

dawesdes.

_ risTvis sWirdeba ivaniS-

vils es?

_ dasavleTTan urTierTobis

gasafuWeblad. ruseTi didi

xania cdilobs, rom saqarTvelom

dasavleTs zurgi aqcios.

_ saintereso versiaa, magram

ras gaakeTebs ivaniSvili, Tuki

mis qonebas daayadaReben? esec

mis interesebSia?

_ dRes bevri saubrobs, rom

amerika piradad ivaniSvils dauwesebs

sanqciebs. am Temaze saubari

cota populizmi mgonia.

piradi qonebis dayadaReba sakmaod

rTuli gansaxorcielebelia.

_ rTulia, magram ara _ Seu-

Zlebeli. dasavleTs araerTi

oligarqisTvis dauyadaRebia

qoneba.

_ ivaniSvilis qonebis dayadaRebaze

uars imitom ki ar

ityvian, rom misi eridebaT, es

damokidebuli iqneba imaze, Tu

sad aqvs „qarTuli ocnebis”

liders es qoneba. ramdenadac

viciT, mas amerikaSi qoneba naklebad

aqvs. amerika mis qonebas

sxva teritoriaze ver gayinavs,

maT Soris, evropaSi, ruseTze

aRarafers vambob.

_ evropac kritikulad aris

ganwyobili Cveni xelisufleb-

is mimarT da SesaZloa, maTac

dauWiron mxari sanqciebis

dawesebas.

_ evropac Tu gadawyvets

ivaniSvilis dasjas, maSin Sesa-

Zlebelia evropaSi misi qoneb-

is dayadaReba.

_ zemoT TqviT, rom ivaniSvils

SesaZloa, undodes kidevac,

rom dasavleTma saqarTve-

los sanqciebi dauwesos, raTa

dasavleTTan urTierToba gag-

vifuWdes. vTqvaT da Sewyvita

dasavleTma Cveni daxmareba, es

xom seriozul problemebs gamoiwvevs?

xalxis risxvis ar eS-

inia „ocnebis” liders?

_ es Zalian seriozuli Temaa,

amaze eqspertebi da politologebi

unda muSaobdnen. ase-

Ti gadawyvetileba ucbad ar

miiReba. msgavsi scenarebi wlebis

manZilze iwereba. arc is

mgonia SemTxveviTi, rom dasavleTis

kritikis miuxedavad, demokratiis

kuTxiT, saqarTveloSi

winsvla ar aris. ivaniSvili

aranair berkets ar Tmobs,

saSinel da drakonul kanonebs

Rebulobs. mediaSi droebiTi

mmarTvelis daniSvnac ki moindoma

da es sakiTxi gansaxilvelad

parlamentSi Seitanes.

_ sakiTxis ganxilva ki dai-

wyo, magram is ukan gaiwvies.

_ imitom gaiwvia, rom sazogadoebaSi

amas didi protesti

mohyva. mTavaria, xom Seecada,

mis miRebas. amxela protesti

rom ar yofiliyo, uproblemod

miiRebdnen am cvlilebebs.

yvelaferze midis Zalauflebis

SesanarCuneblad. saarCevno

kanonmdeblobaSi araferi

Secvlila. xelisuflebis

xelSi kvlav uamravi berketia.

_ samagierod, xalxis ganwyobaa

Secvlili „qarTuli oc-

nebis” mimarT.

_ xalxis ganwyoba Secvlilia,

magram es did imeds ar ma-

Zlevs. vimeoreb: xelisuflebas

yvela berketi aqvs, rom arCevnebze

sasurveli Sedegi gauformos

sakuTar Tavs.

_ 2012 welsac yvela berketi

hqondaT „nacionalebs”, ma-

gram maSin xalxis ganwyobam

bevri rame, maT Soris, xelisu-

flebac Secvala.

_ 2012 wels ra ganwyobac iyo

xalxSi, iseTi ganwyoba axla ar

aris. verc opozicia dgas im

simaRleze, rogorzedac maSindeli

opozicia idga. maSin „qar-

Tul ocnebaSi” viyavi da es yvelaferi

Zalian kargad maxsovs.

2012 wels opoziciam bevrad

adre daiwyo arCevnebisTvis

mzadeba. axla arCevnebi kars

mogvadga da dRemde ar arian

maJoritarebze SeTanxmebulebi.

_ mag mxriv arc „qarTul

ocnebaSi” aqvT kargad saqme _

verc maJoritarebze Tanxmdebian

da saarCevno siis Sedge-

giorgi giuaSvili:

`ocnebis~

wevrebi

ivaniSvilTan

erTmaneTs

abezReben~

nazec didi ambebi midis.

_ Cemi informaciiT, „qarTul

ocnebaSi” saarCevno Temaze

seriozuli klanuri dapirispirebebia.

es klanebi erTmane-

Tis CaCoCebas cdiloben. bi-

ZinasTan abezReben erTmaneTs.

Sidapartiul skandalebs Jurnalistebs

Tavad awvdian.

_ gaixseneT, rom 2012 wels

„qarTul ocnebaSi” viyavio. ma-

Sin Tu warmoidgendiT, rom

rva wlis Semdeg „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebidan gasaS-

vebad mogiwevdaT brZola?

_ 2012 wlis pirvel oqtombers

amas namdvilad ver warmovidgendi.

arCevnebis dasrulebis

Semdeg borjomis gamgeblis

moadgiled daviniSne. am movaleobas

9 Tve vasrulebdi. Semdeg

uSiSroebasTan momiwia datakeba

raRac sakiTxebze da

„ocnebisTvis” miuRebeli gavxdi.

Tanamdebobidan ver mxsnidnen,

adgnen da is posti gaauqmes,

romelic mekava. amasTan dakavSirebiT

sasamarTloSi Sevitane

sarCeli da samive instanciaSi

movige, magram aRdgenas

azri aRar hqonda, ukve sakrebulos

wevri viyavi. „qarTuli

ocnebis” winaaRmdeg rom momiwevda

brZola, amaSi arCevnebis

dasrulebidan mesame dRes davrwmundi,

iseTi raRacebi datrialda

borjomSi. aseTi viTareba

Seiqmna danarCen saqarTveloSic.

_ aseTi ra ambebi datrial-

da?

_ katastrofuli rameebi.

axla SemiZlia giTxraT, rom

2012 wels qveyanaSi moxda orosnebis

revolucia: narkomanebi,

xulignebi da orosnebi daepatronnen

xelisuflebas. borjomis

sakrebulos wevria erTi

tipi „qarTuli ocnebidan”, romlis

vinaobas ar gavamxel da

Tavis droze iciT, ratom daupirispirda

„nacionalur moZraobas”?

_ planis mowevis uflebas

ar aZlevda. aqauri policiis

ufrosi uSlida amaSi xels

da amitom wavida politikaSi.

biZina ivaniSvilma bevri aseTi

adamiani Semoikriba garSemo.

`Cemi informaciiT, `qarTul ocnebaSi~

saarCevno Temaze seriozuli klanuri

dapirispirebebia. es klanebi erTmaneTis

CaCoCebas cdiloben. biZinasTan abezReben

erTmaneTs. Sidapartiul skandalebs

Jurnalistebs Tavad awvdian~

Caigdes xelisufleba xelSi da

mosTxove axla amaT rame. Tqven

kidev gikvirT, premiebsa da

danamatebs rom iweren. borjomis

sakrebulos erT-erTi komitetis

Tavmjdomare, romelsac

uzarmazari xelfasi aqvs,

dazRveviT sargeblobs, am dros

sakrebulosgan kidev 530-

lariani daxmareba moiTxova. amis

Semdeg raze unda vilaparako?!

_ ojaxi xramiao da etyoba,

dasWirda am patiosan kacs dax-

mareba.

_ es ukve maTxovrobaa. imxela

xelfasi rom gaqvs da Tan

dazRveviT sargeblob, damatebiTi

daxmareba ar unda moiTxovo.

_ zemoT miTxariT, rom

dRevandeli opozicia ar dgas

im simaRleze, razedac 2012

wels idga opoziciao. ufro

detalurad gviTxariT, ra gan-

sxvavebaa maT Soris?

_ ar dagimalavT da pirdapir

getyviT, _ dRevandeli opoziciis

qmedebebiT Zalian gulgatexili

var. aSkarad vxedav, rom

opozicia imisTvis ar ibrZvis,

raTa ivaniSvili xelisuflebas

Camoacilos. opozicia Seegua

im azrs, rom „qarTuli ocnebis”

liders am arCevnebze ver

moicilebs. amis miuxedavad,

ukan mainc ar ixeven da brZolas

agrZeleben. oRond ibrZvian

imisTvis, rom parlamentSi

opozicia ufro didi doziT

Sevides. momavali parlamenti

bevrad ufro mravalferovani

iqneba. es varianti opozicias

awyobs. Sevlen parlamentSi,

isev kamerebis win dadgebian,

gamoiyeneben parlaments ruporad

da isev amaT ZiZgilaobas

unda uyuros mosaxleobam. arada,

xalxi daiRala am kinklaobis

yurebiT.

_ opozicia TiTqmis darwmunebulia,

rom ivaniSvilis dam-

arcxebas SeZlebs da tyuis,

roca aseT gancxadebebs

akeTebs?

_ me Cems azrs geubnebiT. vxedav,

rom opozicia ivaniSvilis

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