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`Tu SaqaraSvilis mkvlelebi ar daisajnen,
leiboristebi
iniciativiT
giorgi abaSiZe
gamodian, rom politikurma par-
tiebma sportsmenebi, romlebic
ZaladobaSi arian eWvmitanilebi, partiul siebSi ar Caweron.
amas garda, Sromis partia msoflio sazogadoebas mimarTavs
da sTxovs, rom im sportul federaciebs, romelTa wevrebic
zonderebad „muSaoben”, saerTaSoriso federaciebis wevroba
SeuCerdeT, zonderobaSi mxilebul sportsmenebs ki yvela is
tituli CamoerTvaT, romelic maT saerTaSoriso Sejibrebe-
bze sxvadasxva dros moipoves.
ra SemTxvevaSi walekavs aRS-
foTebuli xalxi „ocnebas” da
ra erTiani strategia aqvs
opozicias „mmarTvelobis oligarqiuli
reJimis” Sesacvlelad?
_ Cveni gamocema gTava-
zobT intervius leiboristuli
partiis erT-erT lider gior-
gi gugavasTan:
_ batono giorgi, saubari, ra
Tqma unda, 19 wlis fexburTelis
mkvlelobiT unda daviwyoT.
Tqveni azriT, giorgi SaqaraSvilis
sadisturma tragediam ad-
amianebSi usamarTlobis gancda
gazarda?
_ ra Tqma unda, gazarda da am
tragikulma da sazarelma SemTxvevam
kidev erTxel aCvena, rogori
maxinji da danaSaulebrivi
sistemaa Seqmnili, anu saxelmwifo
kriminalur samyarosTan
kolaboraciaSia. Sesabamisad,
sportmenebisgan zonderjgufebs
qmnis, romelTac iseTi sakuTari
politikuri miznebisTvis iyenebs,
rogoricaa, magaliTad,
arCevnebis gayalbeba, politikur
oponentebsa da sxva arasasurvel
pirebTan Zaladobrivi angariSsworeba.
am kriminalur samyarosa
da zonderjgufebs saku-
Tari dRis wesrigic aqvT.
_ da es „dRis wesrigi” ra
aris?
_ kriminaluri interesebi.
yvelafer amas ki, ra Tqma unda,
Zaladoba da mkvlelobebi moyveba.
aman ukve sistemuri xasiaTi
miiRo da imis nacvlad, rom moqalaqis
usafrTxoebis mTavari
garantori iyos, saxelmwifo
kriminalur samyarosTan garigebulia
da, rogorc aRvniSne,
zonderjgufebs qmnis, anu safrTxis
Semcvelad Tavad saxelmwifo
gvevlineba.
_ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma-
gram „SaqaraSvilis saqmeSi”
kriminalebis monawileobas saxelmwifo
oficialurad ar adas-
turebs. yovel SemTxvevaSi, Se-
sabamisi uwyebebidan miniSneba
gakeTda, rom „kawro” arafer
SuaSia. aqedan gamomdinare, ra
SegviZlia vTqvaT _ saqmis gayalbebis
mizani ra aris, anu xe-
lisufleba vis afarebs xels?
_ gamokveTilia, rom gamoZieba,
rbilad rom vTqvaT, arakvalificiurad
midis. sxvaTa Soris,
sazogadoeba, gansakuTrebiT, media
rom ar Careuliyo da amasTan,
xelisuflebas is gamocdileba
rom ar hqonoda, romelic
„saraliZis saqmis” dros miiRo,
darwmunebuli var, is Sedegi,
romelic, ase Tu ise, miviReT, ar
dadgeboda, Torem Tavdapirvelad
faruli Savi xeli moqmedebda
da saxelmwifoc am saqmes
swored amitom ar iZiebda. mediis
CarTulobis Semdeg ki xelisufleba
iZulebuli gaxda, raRac
Sedegi daedo. marTalia, jer ganaCeni
ar gamoutaniaT, magram am
saqmis mTavari monawileebi zonderjgufebi
arian! sxvaTa Soris,
zonderjgufebis monawileoba
pirveli araa. igive korcxel-
Sic e. w. sadamsjelo operacia
zonderjgufebma Caatares. bolos
da bolos, Widaobis federaciis
prezidentis mier erTerT
sportsmenze ganxorcielebuli
pirdapiri Zaladoba vnaxeT,
ris gamoc dazaralebuli iZulebuli
gaxda, saqarTvelo daetovebina!
_ korcxelis incidents politikuri
sarCuli hqonda, magram
19 wlis fexburTeli poli-
tikur niadagze ar mouklavT...
_ mesmis, magram iciT, Zaladoba
aseTi sistematuri ratomaa?
_ ratom?
_ zonderjgufebs mfarveloben,
anu isini xelisuflebisgan
waqezebuli arian da ician, rom
nebismier SemTxvevaSi daculebi
iqnebian, radgan arCevnebis dros
oponentebTan angariSsworebebisas
binZur davalebebs asruleben.
ar iciT, rom arCevnebis dros
kriminalur samyaros saku-
Tari razmebi pirdapir saarCevno
ubnebTan hyavs ganlagebuli xolme?
_ diax, amis Sesaxeb bevrs
saubroben.
_ kriminalis buneba aseTia _
yaCaRoba, mkvleloba, Zarcva
unda Caidinos an vinme daCagros,
magram amis gamo pasuxs aravin
sTxovs, radgan xelisuflebisgan
mfarvelobas grZnobs! kriminaluri
samyaro saxelmwifod gadaiqca!
amis yvelaze tragikuli
gamovlineba giorgi SaqaraSvilis
mkvlelobaa da Tu es sistema ar
CamovSaleT da davangrieT, maSin
mkvlelobebi gagrZeldeba!
_ batono giorgi, faqtebiT
vimsjeloT, anu marTalia, igive
„kawroze” media bevrs saubrobs,
magram SaqaraSvilis tragediaze
gamoZieba mas arafers edaveba.
Sesabamisad, ris safuZvelze am-
bobT, rom „Saqara” im zonderjgufebma
imsxverples, romelT-
ac xelisufleba mfarvelobs?
_ konkretul pirovnebebze ki
ara, faqtze vsaubrob.
_ da es faqti ra aris?
_ gamoZiebas, saxelmwifos saxeliT,
Sss an prokuratura
atarebs da viRacis Savi xeli saqmis
Cafarcxvas cdilobs!
_ hoda, eg amixeniT, saqmis
Cafarcxvis kvali sad Cans?
_ mtkicebulebebis Segnebulad
ganadgurebaSi, mowmeebze
giorgi gugava:
`xelisuflebas
unda, rom
pandemiuri afera
gaaTamaSos da
arCevnebze
sasurveli
Sedegi dados!~
zemoqmedebaSi, SemTxvevis adgilze
xanZris gaCenaSi...
_ sxvaTa Soris, am saqmeSi saxelmwifo
moxelec, kerZod, Sss-
s pressamsaxuris xelmZRvaneli
da misi naTesavi figurireben.
Sesabamisad, rogor fiqrobT,
saqmis Cafarcxvis mcdelobaSi
saxelmwifo moxeleebis roli
ufro mniSvnelovania Tu _ krim-
inaluri samyarosi?
_ ra Tqma unda, saxelmwifosi,
radgan danaSaulebrivi samyaros
winaaRmdeg brZola da marTlwesrigis
aRsruleba saxelmwifos
konstituciuri valdebulebaa!
Tu mis interesSi ar Sedis, kriminali
saxelmwifos verafers ai-
Zulebs. swored amitom vambob,
rom saxelmwifosa da kriminalebs
Soris kolaboraciaa, anu
farulma xelma gankarguleba
gasca da gamoZiebamac mrude
gziT siaruli daiwyo!
_ Tqveni azriT, giorgobians
imxela gavlena aqvs, rom misi
davalebiT gamoZiebam mrude
gziT siaruli daiwyo?
_ ar vambob, rom saqme giorgobianisa
da misi naTesavidan gamomdinarea
gamrudebuli.
_ aba?
_ yvelaferi ufro maRal ierarqebamde
midis!
_ sxvaTa Soris, Tqveni lideri,
Salva naTelaSvili, naZaladevis
maJoritarobis kandidatia,
anu pirdapir zemoxseneb-
ul zonderjgufebTan mogiwevT,
ase vTqvaT, urTierToba. maTTan
gasamklaveblad ra meqanizmebi
gaqvT?
_ Cveni, rogorc partiis, er-
TaderTi meqanizmi am sistemis
mxilebaa! aba, zonderjgufebTan
samoqalaqo oms xom ar gavaCaRebT?
isini ideologiurad unda
gavanadguroT! sxvaTa Soris,
sazogadoebam ukve icis, rom gadavwyviteT,
saerTaSoriso sportul
federaciebs mivmarToT
da movTxovoT, rom im adgilobriv
sportul federaciebs, romelTa
sportsmenebic Zaladobriv
qmedebebsa da korufciul
saqmianobaSi arian CarTulebi,
`sxvaTa Soris, zonderjgufebis monawileoba
pirveli araa. igive korcxelSic e. w.
sadamsjelo operacia zonderjgufebma
Caatares. bolos da bolos, Widaobis
federaciis prezidentis mier erT-erT
sportsmenze ganxorcielebuli pirdapiri
Zaladoba vnaxeT, ris gamoc dazaralebuli
iZulebuli gaxda, saqarTvelo daetovebina!~
saerTaSoriso federaciebis wevrobis
statusebi SeuCerdeT!
garda amisa, viTxovT, rom sportsmenebs,
romlebic aseT saqmianobaSi
iqnebian SemCneulni, mxolod
saerTaSoriso titulebi
ki ar CamoerTvaT, aramed, sportuli
moRvaweoba da samwvrTnelo
saqmianobac aekrZaloT! Tu
ase ar moviqceviT, maSin vxedavT,
rom „Tanamoqalaqeebis mkvlelTa
daqiravebuli razmebi” miviReT.
_ sxvaTa Soris, Salva naTela-
Svili imasac iTxovs, rom sportsmenebs
politikaSi monawile-
obac aekrZaloT, magram es iniciativa,
mgoni, diskriminaci-
ulia, radgan SesaZloa, bevri
patiosani sportsmeni, romel-
sac politikaSi wasvla unda,
dazaraldes...
_ diskriminacia arafer Sua-
Sia!
_ aba?
_ ubralod, saubari imazea,
rom Seqmnili viTarebidan gamomdinare,
partiebma kunTmagari
xalxi, romelic ZaladobaSi iqneba
mxilebuli, partiul siaSi ar
Seiyvanon! weRandeli Tqmisa ar
iyos, yvelafer amas unda SevebrZoloT!
angelozi biWi mxecurad
Seiwires, magram amis miuxedavad,
sportul federaciebs
dagmobis gancxadebac ki ar
gaukeTebiaT!
_ sxvaTa Soris, ragbis kavSir-
ma ganacxada, rom dakavebul mo-
ragbeebs masTan kavSiri ar aqvs,
anu klubi „askanelebi”, romlis
saTaveSic braldebuli morag-
beebi dganan, rogorc irkveva,
ragbis federaciis wevri araa.
_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, wevria
Tu ara? bolos da bolos, Rirsebis
kodeqsi arsebobs. ai, magali-
Tad, iaponiaSi sumoistma Tavisi
Zala tatams miRma rom gamoiyenos,
rogor warmogidgeniaT, am
sferoSi kidev gaaCereben? _
gamoricxulia! roca sportsmenebi
kriminalur dakveTebs masobrivad
asruleben, es Zalian SemaSfoTebelia
da yvelafer amis
winaaRmdeg mxolod ideologiuri
ki ara, regulaciuri brZo-
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