qronika+317

ras unda velodoT irakli
kobaxiZis mier daanonsebuli
Tamami dapirebebisgan? vin da ra-
tom agdebs kaxeTSi yurZnis fass?
risi imedi aqvs opozicias? ram-
denad axerxeben xelisuflebis
winaaRmdeg erTiani frontiT
brZolas? aris Tu ara saSiSi
oligarqis fuli? _ am Temebis
Sesaxeb Saqro terteraSvili
„qronika+~-s esaubreba:
_ gasul kviras irakli kobax-
iZem dagvianonsa, wels arCevnebze
Tamami dapirebebi gveqnebao. Tqve-
ni azriT, ras unda dahpirdnen
amomrCevels?
_ Tamami dapirebebi arc adre
akldaT, araTamami dapireba maTgan
arc momismenia. dapirebebis gacema
kargad exerxebaT, magram maTi
Sesruleba uWirT. vfiqrob, welsac
rame axal zRapars moifiqreben,
SeiZleba, arc moifiqron. kobaxiZis
gancxadeba Tamam dapirebebze
mimarTuli iyo momxreebis gulis
mosagebad. meeWveba, kidev
vinmes sjerodes amaTi sityvebis.
saerTod ucnauria, xalxs rom
hpirdebi, dapirebebs gavcemo.
_ gasul kviras premierma JurnalistebTan
saubarSi ar gamor-
icxa, rom „qarTuli ocnebis”
saarCevno siis pirveli nomeri
SeiZleba biZina ivaniSvili iyos.
es xom araa mmarTveli partiis
Tamami dapireba?
_ esec raRac fandia. am gancxadebiT
Zvel momxreebs, romlebic
„qarTul ocnebaze” ganawyenebuli
arian uTxres, _ ivaniSvili brundeba
aqtiur politikaSi da Tqvenc
SemogvierTdiTo. aseTi rame gaakeTes
2018 wlis saprezidento
arCevnebis meore turis winac. ma-
Sin acxadebdnen, 2012 wlis gvardia
gverdiT unda davudgeT „qar-
Tul ocnebaso”. axlac aseTi rame
unda mzaddebodes. ar gamovricxav,
rom ivaniSvili marTlac iyos
maTi saarCevno siis pirveli nomeri.
Tamam da urcxv dapirebebs masze
ukeTesad veravin iZleva. ise-
Ti dapirebis gasacemad, romelsac
arasdros Seasruleb, utifrobis
didi resursia saWiro. es resursi
biZina ivaniSvils sakmarisze meti
aqvs.
_ xalxis guli rom moigon,
Zalian bevr rames unda dahpirdnen.
TiTqmis yvela sferoSi Cavar-
dnebia. qveyana wyals miaqvs da
mosaxleobis did nawils sasmeli
wyali ar aqvs. am mxriv Zalian
Wirs kaxeTSi. amaze Tqven xSirad
werT xolme socialur qselSi.
_ wylis problema mxolod kaxeTs
ar awuxebs, mTeli saqarTvelo
am dReSia. wyali rom mivides mosaxleobamde,
amisTvis arafers
akeTeben da am dros televizoridan
yovel wams geZaxian, xelebi
daibaneTo. roca wyali ar modis,
rogor daibanos xalxma xelebi?
qveyanaSi rom wyalmomaragebis ase-
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nebis” spikerma irakli kobaxiZem
migvaCvia, rom misgan saswauli
rameebi unda movisminoT. mis mier gasul kviras gakeTebuli
gancxadeba TviT irakli kobaxiZisTvisac ki nametani iyo. naspik-
eralma gviTxra, „ocnebas” Tamami dapirebebi eqneba saarCevn-
odo. biZina ivaniSvilis partia mokrZalebuli dapirebebiT arc
aqamde gamoirCeoda, aqedan gamomdinare, yvela daintrigda, mag
dapirebebze Tamami ra unda iyoso. „nacionaluri moZraobis”
wevri Saqro terteraSvili fiqrobs, rom „qarTuli ocneba”
raime gansakuTrebuls ar SesTavazebs amomrCevels.
Ti deficitia, amas xelisuflebis
upasuxismgeblobiT avxsni mxolod.
_ kaxeTSi wyalmomaragebis
gaumjobesebaze milionebia dax-
arjuli, magram wyali mainc ar
aris. amaze pasuxs aravin iTxovs?
_ milionebi ki ara, aTeulobiT
milionebia daxarjuli. imis nacvlad,
rom saqme gakeTdes piriqiT
xdeba. wesi aseTia, fuls rom xarjav,
iq saqmec unda gaakeTo da
Sedegic dado. amaT SemTxvevaSi ki
piriqiTaa, fuls xarjaven, rom
damatebiTi problemebi Seiqmnas.
magaliTisTvis, axmetaSi wyalmomaragebaze
10 milioni lari daxarjes,
wyali araa. Tavidan es proeqti
6 milioni jdeboda, magram imdenad
gaweles droSi, rom laris
kursi davarda da 8 milionis
gamoyofa gaxda saWiro. cota xan-
Si rva milionic ar eyoT da kidev
ori milionis damateba mouwiaT.
saboloo jamSi, 10-milionian kontraqts
moaweres xeli. ase davxarjeT
axmetaSi 10 milionze meti, magram
wylis nacvlad gadaTxrili
quCebi SegvrCa xelT. zogan Cakerebulia
gzebi, zogan gruntis gzaa,
aris mtveri da ubedureba. wyals
ki araferi eSvela.
_ es gadaTxrili quCebi ara-
feri iqneba im xidTan SedarebiT,
romelic pankisSi gaakeTes. am xidamde
misasvlelad wyalze gade-
buli rkinis konstruqcia unda
gaiaro, romelic mosaxleobam
gaakeTa.
_ xidi araa erTaderTi saocreba,
rac axmetaSi xdeba. es aris upasuxismgeblo
xelisuflebis xelwera,
romelsac piradi keTildReobis
garda araferi ainteresebs. am
mxriv axmeta gamonaklisi araa. msgavss
saswaulebs saqarTvelos yvela
regionSi ixilavT.
_ sadRac or TveSi kaxeTSi
rTveli daiwyeba da adgilobrivi
mevenaxeebi tradiciuli problemis
winaSe dadgebian _ sad Caabar-
on yurZeni da ra iqneba misi fasi.
premierma giorgi gaxariam Tqva,
rom kilogrami yurZnis fasi 80
TeTrze naklebi ar iqnebao.
_ giorgi gaxarias gancxadeba,
kilogram yurZens 80 TeTrze naklebad
aravin Caibarebso, imas niSnavs,
rom yurZnis fasi 80 TeTrze
meti ar iqneba. cota xanSi ki yurZnis
fasi daecema.
_ ratom daecema?
_ qarxnebi daagdeben fass. Tavidan
ityvian, rom 80 TeTrad ibareben.
mere 70 TeTrze Camovlen. SarSan
aseTi rame moxda, glexebs eubnebodnen,
rom Seni yurZeni dasetyvilia
da Sereulia jiSebio,
zogs uTxres, rom dabali iyo
yurZnis Saqrianoba, zogze piriqiT
Tqves, maRalia Saqrianobao. am mizezebis
mogoneba imisTvis sWirdebaT,
rom fasi daagdon. mevenaxes
etyvian, Cven ki vixdiT kilogram-
Si 80 TeTrs, magram Seni yurZeni
im parametrebs srulad ar akmayofilebs,
raSic am Tanxas vixdiT
da sul rom ise ar darCe, kilogramSi
60 TeTrs gadagixdiTo.
_ mevenaxeebi Tanxmdebian am
winadadebas?
_ sxva gza, ubralod, ar aqvT,
yurZnis sxvagan waRebiT da iqiTaqeT
tarebiT produqts wveni gasdis,
wonas kargavs, xarisxi uaresdeba.
glexi iZulebuli xdeba, 60
TeTrs dasTanxmdes. SarSan ase iyo
da welsac igive ganmeordeba. gasul
wels bevrma mevenaxem kilogrami
yurZeni 50 TeTrad Zlivs Caabara.
_ SarSan yurZenze fasis dagde-
bas Tqven biZina ivaniSvilis Zmas,
adikos ukavSirebdiT, romelsac
kaxeTSi spirtis qarxnebi aqvs. am-
bobdiT, rom mis interesebSi iyo
yurZenSi rac SeiZleba dabali
fasis gadaxda, raTa meti mogeba
darCenoda.
_ axlac ase iqneba. adiko ivaniSvils
arc qarxana gauyidia, arc
fulis Sovnis survili daukargavs
da resursic aqvs, rom Tavisi
gaitanos. welsac isev ise daagdeben
yurZnis fass. 80 TeTric mxolod
imitom Tqves, rom saarCevno
welia, Torem SarSan Tavidan 70
TeTrad ibarebdnen yurZens. „qarTuli
ocnebis” wevrebs uyvarT
xolme imis wamoZaxeba, raRac xom
mainc keTdebao. swored amis narativSi
undaT imis Casma, rom Sar-
SandelTan SedarebiT 10 TeTriT
mets gadaixdian kilogram yurZen-
Si. am pandemiis gamo saerTaSoriso
bazari daketilia, amitom yurZenze
didi moTxovna ar iqneba da rogorc
undaT, iseT fasad Caibareben.
_ am faqtors arCevnebze xalxis
mosasyidad xom ar gamoiy-
eneben?
_ swored magitom Tqves 80
TeTri. arCevnebi rom ar iyos, 40
TeTrad Caibarebdnen. ase Tu gaakeTeben,
xalxi iseT dReSia, Sesa-
Zloa, arCevnebamdec ki ver miaRwios.
axla Tavis koordinatorebs
salaparako gauCines. isinic dairbenen
soflebs da ityvian, msoflioSi
koronas gamo yvelaferi gaCerebulia,
magram Cven SarSand-
`adiko ivaniSvils arc qarxana gauyidia, arc
fulis Sovnis survili daukargavs da resursic
aqvs, rom Tavisi gaitanos. welsac isev ise
daagdeben yurZnis fass. 80 TeTric mxolod
imitom Tqves, rom saarCevno welia, Torem
SarSan Tavidan 70 TeTrad ibarebdnen yurZens~
elTan SedarebiT 10 TeTriT mets
vixdiT yurZenSio. sinamdvileSi,
SarSandeli 70 TeTri bevrad meti
iyo, vidre axlandeli 80 TeTria.
aqamde venaxSi samuSaod Tu erTi
manqaniT midioda 5 muSa, axla ori
manqaniT unda wavidnen. koronobisas
xelisuflebam suleluri
akrZalvebi Semoitana da amdeni adamiani
ver dasxdeba erT manqanaSi.
mouwevT ori manqaniT wasvla. benzinic
meti daexarjebaT. venaxis
movlis xarjebi Zalian gaizarda.
ase rom, am 80 TeTriT xalxis guls
ver moigeben.
_ ratom xarT darwmunebuli,
rom ver moigeben?
_ xSiri kontaqti maqvs mosaxleobasTan
da vici, ras fiqrobs.
erTi kmayofili adamianic ki ver
vnaxe. kmayofileba mxolod sabiujeto
seqtorSi dasaqmebulebs
etyobaT. xalxi da „qarTuli ocneba”
didi xnis win dascilda erTmaneTs.
_ xalxi da „ocneba” 2018 welsac
dacilebuli iyo erTmaneTis-
gan, magram maSin xelisuflebam
xaxviTa da kartofiliT SeZlo
amomrCevlis mosyidva. axla ufro
uWirs xalxs da mosyidvis Sanseb-
mac xom ar moimata?
_ yvela verc 2018 wels moisyides.
xalxs xmebi xaxvsa da kartofilSi
gaucvales, es xelisuflebis
simdableze metyvelebs. imdenad
daecnen, rom sakuTar mosaxleobas
aseTi ram akadres. mosyidvaze arc
axla ityvian uars. Cven unda gvaxsovdes,
rom yvela erTnairi araa
da viRac gaiyideba. „qarTul ocnebas”
SesaZloa, viRacam erTi
boTli ludis sanacvlod misces
xma, rac arafers niSnavs.
_ opozicia ramdenad aris
arCevnebis mosagebad mobilizebu-
li? SeZlebT erTiani frontiT
brZolas „qarTuli ocnebis”
winaaRmdeg?
_ me mxolod kaxeTis magaliTze
SemiZlia vilaparako: konstituciaSi
Sesuli cvlilebebiT kaxeTi
or maJoritars irCevs. axmeta-Telavi-lagodexi
aris erTi saarCevno
olqi, sadac opozicia Zalian
Sexmatkbilebulad vmuSaobT. darwmunebiT
SemiZlia giTxraT, rom aq
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