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giorgi vaSaZe:

`Tu SeTanxmeba

Sedgeba,

parlamentSi

Sesvla

racionaluri

iqneba!~

gv. 8

lado papava:

`gamosavali

ara

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adgilobrivi

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yvela dagvebrida!

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gv. 12

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1826

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gv. 20

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gadaaqcia~

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demokratiidan _

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fiqria CixraZe:

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vin aris farul

CanawerSi

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vin aris farul CanawerSi

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eliso kilaZe

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599 17 12 12

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atarebs da komentaris

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dilidan „ocnebis” mxardam-

Werebis feisbuq gverdebze

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moZraobas”, saakaSvilis Sav arqivsa

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versia, ubralod, tyuili iyo,

_ 2010 wels irakli RaribaSvilis

arseboba aravin icoda, Sesabamisad,

mas zumerad rac ar

unda „tri tri” daeyenebina,

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CanawerSi ki bera swored

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yvela dagvebrida!

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axla 27 wlisaa da romlis

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amiran mesxelis TanaSemwe iyo

da Ss ministris moadgile kaxaber

sabanaZe, romelic Ss ministris,

jer kidev, moqmedi

moadgilea. aleqsandre xojevaniSvilma

Tanamdeboba gaxarias

gadadgomis mere datova,

sabanaZe ki posts inarCunebs.

Cveni wyaros informaciiT, gomelaurma

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farul Canawerebze? albaT,

ufro _ ara, radgan is arc susis

ufrosis pirveli moadgile

iyo da arc didi gavlenebiT

sargeblobda, arc endobodnen

da mudmivad akontrolebdnen.

ganukiTxaoba “ otoSi “ gogaSvilis

dros ufro iyo, gomelaurs

misTvis didad ar ecala.

wyaro tv „pirvels” uyveba,

rom gogaSvilma susi sakuTari

araprofesionali kadrebiT gaavso.

misi marjvena xeli vinme

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naxsenebi amiko?

`versiebi aqac bevria: dawyebuli soso gogaSviliT, dasrulebuli giorgi

gaxariaTi. arian iseTebic, romlebic fiqroben, rom Canawerebi ucxo qveynis

specsamsaxurebma moipoves, viRacebs ki laSa nacvliSvili da somxeTSi

gatanili faruli Canawerebi gaaxsendaT. Cveni wyaros informaciiT, yvelaze

meti momxre soso gogaSvilis versias hyavs. susis ufrosis yofili

moadgile karga xania, gasulia òcnebis~ kontrolidan, is iqamdec mivida,

rom tv `pirvelis~ eTerSi Riad daaSantaJa saqarTvelos prokuratura, -

`cianidis saqme~ arasworad gamoZia, cianidi amoRebuli ar aris da,

realurad, Sorena TeTruaSvilis mkvleloba ar mzaddebodao. imave

interviuSi iribad mianiSna biZina ivaniSvils, - Tu ar momxedavT, dadgeba

is dRe, roca Riad vityvi, patriarqis Secvlis operaciaSi monawileobdiT

Tu arao. gogaSvilis intervius ofisSi xmamaRali gineba moyva, Cveni wyaros

informaciit, yvelaze xmamaRla misi xeldasmuli naTel mironi, dito

samxaraZe igineboda, romelic irakli RaribaSvilTan gadaportorda~

gogita otoSi ukontrolod

Sedioda, viRac gogonebis telefonebs

ukanonod usmenda,

mere urekavda da maT eRadaveboda,

aseT pirobebSi ki arc

beras mosmena iyo gamoricxuli

da arc irakli RaribaSvilis,

saqmeSi ufro Caxedul adamianebs

laSa nacvliSvili gaaxsendaT.

Tavis droze laSa nacvliSvili

faruli CanawerebiT

Riad vaWrobda, biZina ivaniSvilis

Canawers saqarTvelos

patriarqze nika gvaramiasac

ki sTavazobda. Cveni wyaros

informaciiT, laSa nacvliSvilma

Canawerebi misi megobris,

daTo axvledianis daxmarebiT

somxeTSi gadaitana,

Tavic ase gadairCina. is „qarTul

ocnebaSi” daabrunes da

karga xans iyo ocnebis mTavari

ideologi. mas Semdeg, rac irakli

kobaxiZe partiis Tavmjdomare

gaxda, partiis politsabWoSi

ki sazogadoebrivi

mauwyeblis yofili direqtori

vasil maRlaferiZe Seiyvanes,

laSa nacvliSvilis poziciebi

mniSvnelovnad Sesustda, irakli

RaribaSvilis premierobis

mere ki laSa nacvliSvilma partiis

ofisi datova da „post

tvis” direqtoris savarZels

daubrunda. RaribaSvil-nacvliSvils

erTmaneTTan Ria da

didi xnis mtroba aqvT, RaribaSvilis

iniciativiT daatovebines

mas mTavari prokuroris

moadgilis posti, amitom sulac

araa gamoricxuli, skandaluri

Canaweri laSa nacvliSvilis

Savi arqividan iyos.

asea Tu isea, tv „pirvelis”

eTerSi gasulma Canawerma

„qarTuli ocneba” moralurad

gaanadgura, sul ufro da

ufro mcirdeba im pirTa ricxvi,

visac „ocnebis” sajarod

„gapravebis” survili darCa.

skandalur CanawerSi bera

ivaniSvili da irakli RaribaSvili

ramdenjerme axseneben

frazas: „amikom gviTxra”... vin

aris amiko, visac orive maTgani

ase Sinaurulad moixseniebs?

„qronika+”-is wyaros informaciiT,

amiko „bleqsi arenas”

direqtori, amiko janeliZea,

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gamorCes, ar gamorCeba amikos,

is status-statuss dasdevs

kritikul komentarebs da

arc sajaro gineba-muqaras

erideba.icis rom gamwvanebuli

aqvs da sajaro muqarebisTvis

arc aravin dasjis .

jer kidev gamouqveynebel

Canawerze „qarTulma ocnebam”

politsabWos sagangebo sxdoma

moiwvia. mamuka mdinaraZem aRiara,

rom Canawerebzec imsjeles

da daaskvnes _ Canaweri

2010 wlis montaJia, Tumca am

versiis „ocnebaSic” ar sjeraT.

amave brifingze isic ganacxades,

rom „ocneba” mzadaa,

opoziciasTan erTad plebiscitis

idea ganixilos. odnav

ufro adre plebiscitze gancxadebebi

„lelom” da „strategia

aRmaSenebelma” gaakeTes.

maT mzadyofna gamoTqves, rom

plebiscitze Tanxmobis SemTxvevaSi

parlamentSi Sevidodnen.

es ki imas niSnavda, rom irakli

RaribaSvili briuselSi opoziciasTan

SeTanxmebuli proeqtiT

da gamarTuli Cavidoda,

opoziciis nawili ki „ocnebas”

aisrulebda da parlamentSi

Sevidoda.

gamoqveynebulma Canawerebma

molaparakebis perspeqtiva er-

Tob bundovani gaxada. Zneli

warmosadgenia, mZime kriminalur

danaSaulSi mxilebul

premier-ministrTan romelime

politikurma Zalam Ria aliansi

gabedos. aseT situaciaSi

plebiscitis idea azrs kargavs.

xaTuna lagaziZis ar iyos, raze

unda Catardes plebisciti, _

darCnen Tu ara xelisufleba-

Si moqmedi kriminalebi oTxi

wlis ganmavlobaSi?

politikuri realoba ufro

da ufro damZimda. normalur

qveyanaSi premieri RaribaSvili

Tanamdebobas unda tovebdes

da masTan erTad unda gadadges

dacvis specialuri samsaxuris

ufrosi anzor CubiniZe,

xolo „qarTuli ocneba” plebiscitisTvis

ki ara, riggareSe

arCevnebisTvis unda emzadebodes.

principSi, normalur

qveyanaSi arsad moqmedi xelisuflis

ojaxis wevrebi adamianebs

sadamsjelo razmebiT ar

ateroreben kritikuli komentarebis

gamo. socialur qsel-

Si ukve daigegma aqcia: „Seagine

beras!” es aris sazogadoebis

protesti da pasuxi kiTxvaze,

_ ramdens dasjian?

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ramdenime gundad dayofil

„qarTul ocnebaSi” viTareba sul ufro iZabeba. tv „pirvelis”

eTerSi gasulma audioCanawerma, saidanac vigebT, rom bera

ivaniSvili im bavSvebis dasjas ukveTavs, vinc mas feisbuqze

cudi komentari dauwera, situacia kidev ufro daZaba. „qarTu-

li ocnebis” wevrebi uxalisod cdiloben Tavisi bosis Svilis

gamarTlebas, Tumca arian iseTebic, romlebic ivaniSvilis

vaJs taSs ukraven.

am skandalur audioCanawerSi

premieri irakli RaribaSvili da

saxelmwifo dacvis specialuri

samsaxuris ufrosi anzor CubiniZec

figurireben. am Canaweris

gamo irakli RaribaSvils Sesa-

Zloa, premieris postis datoveba

mouwios. misi gadadgoma ukve

moiTxova opoziciis didma nawilma.

am kviraSi am moTxovnas mTeli

opozicia SeuerTdeba. aRniSnul

Canawerze RaribaSvils evropaSi

vizitis drosac eqneba saubari.

mas bevr mwvave kiTxvaze mouwevs

pasuxis gacema. dasavleTs beras

dakveTebze aucileblad eqneba

mwvave reaqcia. es ambavi ivaniSvilis

ojaxisTvis sanqciebis dawesebis

Sanss kidev ufro zrdis.

kidev erTi

Sansi kobaxiZisTvis

saqarTvelos mTavrobis me-

Tauris postis dakaveba irakli

kobaxiZes rom surda, es yvelam

viciT. am Tanamdebobas man jer

kidev arCevnebis win daadga Tvali.

Tavisi ocnebis asruleba ki

mas Semdeg gadawyvita, rac biZina

ivaniSvili politikidan gauCinarda.

partiis Tavmjdomared

qceulma kobaxiZem ifiqra, axla ki

namdvilad movida Cemi droo da

giorgi gaxarias postis datoveba

mosTxova. mas mamuka mdinara-

Zec uWerda mxars. gaxariam orives

agina da cudi mimarTulebiT

gauSva isini.

nika melias daWeris gadawyvetilebis

gamo irakli kobaxiZe

da giorgi gaxaria kinaRam fizikurad

daupirispirdnen erTmaneTs.

jer kidev premierma gaxariam

Tavisi yuriT moismina, rogor

Tqva masze kobaxiZem, _ magas vin

ekiTxeba, rasac gvinda, imas vizam-

To. mogexsenebaT, rom gaxaria

melias dasaWerad specoperaciis

Catarebis winaaRmdegi iyo. frazam,

_ magas vin ekiTxebao, _ eqspremieri

gaaRiziana da kobaxiZeze

gaiwia. muStic mouqnia, magram

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aacila. am adamians mizani aSkarad

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maWavarians esrola plastmasis

boTli da verc imas moartya.

yofili premieri parlamentis

yofil Tavmjdomares mZimed rom

daSorda, es 5 marts alaverdis

monasterSic gamoCnda. 5 marts

isini alaverdis monasterSi goga

maisuraZis panaSvidze Sexvdnen

erTmaneTs. samZimarze „ocnebis”

sxva deputatebic iyvnen misuli.

rogorc TviTmxilvelebi „qronika+”-s

uyvebian, gaxariam irakli

sesiaSvili da daviT sonRulaSvili

moikiTxa, kobaxiZesa da vaxtang

gomelaurs ki zedac ar Sexeda.

gamarjobis Tqmaze laparakic

zedmetia.

gaxarias samomavlo gegmebze

odnav mogvianebiT, axla isev

kobaxiZis fafaraSlil ocnebebs

davubrundeT. am adamians Zalian

undoda premieroba da roca gaxaria

protestis niSnad gadadga,

man ukve daiwyo Tavisi mTavrobis

dakompleqteba. darwmunebuli

iyo, rom mas uboZebda am posts


uzenaesi. yvelaferi TiTqos aqeTken

midioda da gundic Seguebuli

iyo amas. kobaxiZes Crdilovani

kabinetic mzad hqonda. Ss

ministrad mamuka mdinaraZis

daniSvnas apirebda.

„qronika+~ wina nomerSi ukve

werda imis Sesaxeb, rom „ocnebam”

ivaniSvils zrdilobis gulisTvis

gaugzavna premier-ministrobis

kandidatebis sia. siis TavSi

kobaxiZe ewera, boloSi _ RaribaSvili.

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piriT SemouTvala

gunds, rom premieri is iqneba,

vinc siis boloSiao. amas gundSi

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irakli kobaxiZe gadairia.

rogorc Cveni wyaro gviyveba, is

igineboda da imuqreboda. misi

dawynareba arCil TalakvaZem

aiRo sakuTar Tavs. poeti adamiani

poeturad miudga saqmes da

premieroba axeul kobaxiZes ordeni

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gadagdebulma kobaxiZem, magram

mas Semdeg aRaravis ekontaqteba.

rogorc „ocnebis” kuluarebSi

gviTxres, Zalian gabrazebulia

da samagieros gadaxdiT imuqreba.

saTqmeli da informacia masac

bevri aqvs. da arc iseTi bunCulaa,

rogorc gamoiyureba.

RaribaSvilTan erTi omi mas da

kaxa kalaZes ukve mogebuli aqvT.

2015 wlis bolos RaribaSvili

ivaniSvilma premierobidan rom

gaagdo, amaSi parlamentis yofilma

Tavmjdomarem da da dedaqalaqis

merma Zalian didi wvlili

Seitanes. damsaxureba arc

soso gogaSvils unda davukargoT.

rogorc amboben, swored

gogaSvili awvdida kalaZes xelisuflebis

maRalCinosnebze kompromatebs.

kalaZes ahqonda es

kompromatebi ivaniSvilTan.

kaxa kalaZem aumxedra pirveli

premierobisas RaribaSvils ministrebi.

cnobili ambavia, rom ministrebi

mTavrobis meTauris zarsac

ki ar pasuxobdnen. mTavrobis

erT-erT sxdomaze „qarTuli

ocnebis” generalurma mdivanma

RaribaSvils qaRaldebi miayara

saxeSi. maSin kalaZe energetikis

ministri da pirveli vice-premieri

iyo.

premierad meored mosul

RaribaSvils gundSi ukve Seeqmna

problemebi. „nacionalebis” mimarT

misma agresiulma ritorikam

„qarTuli ocnebis” mxardamWerebi

Zalian gaaxara. RaribaSvilis

meored gapremierebis pirvelive

Rames nika melias dakavebis operaciis

Catarebasac JriamuliT

Sexvdnen meocnebeni. magram dasavleTidan

iseTi muSti moxvdaT

cxvirSi, male dakarges mada.

marTalia, melias daWeras yvela

taSs ukravda, magram saqme

saqmeze rom midga, gadawyvites,

isev RaribaSvilisTvis SeewmindaT

xeli. ramdenime meocnebem Tanamdebobidan

misi gadadgomac ki

moiTxova. Tqves, aseTi agresiuli

ritorika ar gamogvadgebao.

radikalurad ara, magram premierma

ritorika namdvilad Searbila.

es, pirvel rigSi, dasavle-

demokratiidan _

gaxarias gegma

„qarTul ocnebaSi” datrialebuli

qaosi arc yofil premier

gaxarias datovebda gulgrils,

romelic, albaT, didi siamovn-

irakli kobaxiZes

premierobis Sansi

isev gauCnda

Tis reaqciis damsaxurebaa.

da erTi ambavic, premieri

pirvelive sakadro omSi damarcxda.

giorgi gaxariasi ar iyos,

masac surda Tanamdebobidan gaeSva

naTela Turnava da ivane maWavariani,

magram arc mas gamouvida

rame. Turnavas ivaniSvilis

ruxi kardinali ivane CxartiSvili

lobirebs. maWavariansac is

mfarvelobs. RaribaSvils finansTa

ministrad juanSer burWulaZis

daniSvna surda, romelic

misi Tavdacvis ministrobis dros

uwyebis finansebs gankargavda.

Tavdacvis ministrad irakli sesiaSvilis

dasma surda. sesiaSvilis

kandidatura ivaniSvilma

daiwuna. maWavariani CxartiSvilis

CarTulobiT Tanamdebobaze dar-

Ca, juanSer burWulaZem ki Tavdacvis

saministro Caibara.

skandalurma audioCanawerma

irakli RaribaSvilis Tanamdebobas

Zalian seriozuli safrTxe

Seuqmna da is saqarTvelos istoriaSi

SeiZleba Sevides imiT, rom

yvelaze naklebi droiT ekava

premieris posti. imijis gadasar-

Cenad ivaniSvilma mas SeiZleba,

kidev erTxel miuTiTos karisken.

gasaTvaliswinebelia isic, rom

xalxi, romelsac is ekontaqteba,

RaribaSvils ar swyalobs.

„qarTul ocnebaSi” sajarod am

kadrebis gavrcelebas „nacionalebs”

ukavSireben, Tumca pirad

saubrebSi yvela Tanxmdeba, rom

es naRmi Signidan aris afeTqebuli.

gamokveTilia sami „eWvmitanili”

_ soso gogaSvili, kobaxiZekalaZis

dueti da giorgi gaxaria.

mmarTvel partiaSi ar gamoricxaven,

rom skandaluri Canawerebi

isev gavrceldes, maT Soris,

biZina ivaniSvilzec. aravis

eWvi ar epareba, rom am CanaweriT

viRacam oligarqi gaafrTxila.

mmarTvel partiaSi biZina ivaniSvlze

bevria ganawyenebuli. soso

gogaSvili dRemde ver patiobs,

rom „ocnebidan” daifrines.

kalaZe-kobaxiZe imis gamo arian

nawyenebi, premieroba rom gamoacala

xelidan. danarCeni gundi

imas ver inelebs, rom oligarqma

partias irakli kobaxiZe daasva

Tavze, romelic „qarTul ocnebaSi”

2014 wels mivida. amis gamo

gansakuTrebiT pirveli Taobis

meocnebeebi arian nawyeni. es ambavi

arc kaxa kalaZes moswons,

ìm dros, roca dasavleTSi zooparkebSi ukve

maimunebs crian, saqarTveloSi erTi vaqcinac ki

ar aris Semotanili. amaSi damnaSavea rogorc

jandacvis saministro, aseve e. w. muSketerebi.

paata imnaZes, Tengiz cercvaZesa da amiran

gamyreliZes saubarSi aSkarad etyobaT, rom

vaqcinebis Semotanaze arc fiqroben da maTi

neba rom iyos, SeiZleba, arc Semoitanon~

magram ukmayofilebas ar gamoxatavs,

radganac axla maT erTad

dgoma sWirdebaT _ duetSi namdvilad

kargad xlarTavdnen

samTavrobo intrigebs.

oponentebis mimarT kaxa kalaZe

daxvewili saubris maneriT

arasdros gamoirCeoda. sxva Tu

araferi, mas ekuTvnis klasikad

qceuli fraza, _ anZaze gamosaqanebel

adgils vafarToebTo.

RaribaSvilis gapremierebis Semdeg

misi ritorika radikalurad

Seicvala. breJneviviT sul mSvidobasa

da opoziciasTan dialogis

aucileblobaze laparkakobs.

„nacionalebis” ofisze ganxorcielebuli

Sturmis Semdeg cdilobs,

meocnebeebisgan Tavi Sors

daiWiros. gundSi ukve seriozulad

saubroben imaze, rom man Sei-

Zleba „qarTuli ocneba” datovos

da damoukidebeli TamaSi daiwyos.

amisTvis mas gundic hyavs da

finansebic aqvs.

Cveni wyaros informaciiT,

kalaZes TiTqmis gadawyvetili

hqonda „ocnebidan” wasvla, magram

mocda gadawyvita. Tan susisganac

miiRo gafrTxileba. antikorufciuli

samsaxuri mis garSemo

rkals nel-nela aviwroebs. mis

colisZmaze aRZruli saqmec Semodebulia

susis Taroebze. antikorufciuli

mis saqmeebsac swavlobs.

es Tbilisis merma mSvenivrad

icis. susis bolo nabijebi

kalaZem, albaT, ivaniSvilisgan

mosul gafrTxilebad CaTvala.

man Zalian kargad icis, rom biZina

ivaniSvili susis ufros grigol

liluaSvils TvaldaxuWuli

endoba. liluaSvili da Tbilisis

meri erTmaneTs dasanaxavad ver

itanen.

rogorc Cveni wyaro gviyveba,

dRes ivaniSvili mxolod or adamians

ekontaqteba: eseni arian

vano CxartiSvili da grigol

liluaSvili. vaxtang gomelauris

zarebs oligarqi sul ufro iSviaTad

pasuxobs. aRsaniSnavia,

rom moqmed premiers ivane CartiSvilTanac

cudi urTierToba

aqvs da _ grigol liluaSvilTanac.

kalaZe saboloo gadawyvetilebis

miRebas aWianurebs. Sesa-

Zloa, is gundSi darCenaze imiT

daiyolion, rom meore vadiT waradgenen

Tbilisis meris postze.

is am winadadebas TiTqmis daTanxmda,

Tumca skandalurma Canawerma

SeiZleba, viTareba Secvalos.

araa gamoricxuli, RaribaSvili

gadadges. am SemTxvevaSi masac

da irakli kobaxiZesac gauCndebaT

Sansi, aisrulon ocneba da

Casxdnen premieris savarZelSi. im

SemTxvevaSi, Tu marTla romelime

maTgans ergo premieroba, maSin

ukve erTmaneTis daWmaze gadavlen.

wamosaZaxebeli erTmaneTisTvis

bevri aqvT. es yvelaferi

qveynis imijs azianebs, Torem vaqcinisa

da puris gareSe darCenil

saqarTvelos gulis gadasayoleblad

sanaxaoba ar awyens.

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berokratiamde

ebiT adevnebs Tvals am yvelafers.

Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rogor

intrigebs uxlarTavda mas gundi,

misi reaqcia savsebiT adekvaturad

unda miviCnioT.

yvela elodeba, rom is partias

Seqmnis. gavrcelebuli informaciiT,

swored igi unda iyos is

opozicia, romlis Seqmnac ivaniSvilma

wlebis winaT daaanonsa.

„qarTuli ocnebis” Semqmnelis ga-

TvlebiT, axalma opoziciam „qar-

Tuli ocneba” unda Caanacvlos.

rogorc „ocnebasTan” daaxloebuli

wyaro gviyveba, gaxarias

mier partiis Seqmna, jer kidev,

misi premierobis dros miiRes.

is premierobidan, adre Tu gvian,

mainc apirebda wasvlas. amis Sesaxeb

is ivaniSvils saparlamento

arCevnebis winac esaubra. maSin

SeTanxmdnen, rom is raRac droiT

darCeboda. es dro usasrulod

moeCvenaT kobaxiZis kantoris

xalxs da mas gadadgoma mosTxoves.

es moTxovna gaxariam uSveri

sityvebis korianteliT rom Seamko,

ukve mogiyeviT _ nika melias

daWeris sakiTxi rom dadga dRis

wesrigSi da saCvenebeli specoperacia

daigegma. maSin gadawyvita

revanSi da wavida.

dapirebisamebr, mas wasvlis

Semdeg Tavisi gundis formireba

unda daewyo. rogorc amboben, mas

garkveuli konsultaciebi ukve

hqonda, maT Soris, rusebTanac.

mediaSi gavrcelebuli informaciiT,

is lamis yoveldRe xvdeba

Tavis momaval partniorebs.

Cveni wyaros informaciiT, partiis

Seqmna droebiT gadaido, radganac

biZina ivaniSvili giorgi

gaxariaze Zalian gabrazebulia.

is miiCnevs, rom gaxaria am viTarebaSi

premierobidan ar unda gadamdgariyo.

partiis Seqmna, savaraudod,

mas Semdeg daiwyeba, rac

ivaniSvils brazi gadauvlis. amasobaSi

Tu riggareSe arCevnebamde

mivida saqme, axali partiis

Seqmna dagvianebuli iqneba.

yofilma premierma partia Tu

Seqmna, iq aucileblad iqneba maia

cqitiSvili. mogexsenebaT, rom

cqitiSvilmac Tavisi nebiT datova

infrastruqturis ministris

posti. RaribaSvili mis Secvlas

ar apirebda, radganac cqitiSvili

ivaniSvilis ndobiT aRWurvil

pirad iTvleba. infrastruqturis

yofilma ministrma Tavad ar

moisurva axal premierTan muSaoba.

isini erTmaneTs verasdros

itandnen. gadamdgari cqitiSvili

gaxariasTan mivida saxlSi. raze

isaubrebdnen mTavrobis yofili

wevrebi, Zneli gamosacnobi ar

aris.

yofili premieris gundSi moiazrebian

Zmebi xojevaniSvilebic.

erTi parlamentis wevria, xolo

meorem gasul kviras datova susis

ufrosis moadgilis posti.

gaxarias warmoadgens Ss ministris

moadgile kaxa sabanaZec,

romlis moxsnasac vaxtang gomelaurma

udidesi energia Sealia,

magram araferi gamouvida. sae-

Wvoa, is gaxarias gundSi vixiloT.

gaxarias kadrad iTvleboda

irakli Ciqovanic. es ukanaskneli

swored gaxarias CarTulobiT

waradgines zugdidis maJoritarad.

giorgi gaxarias misi Ss ministrad

daniSvnac ki undoda, magram

ivaniSvili wavida winaaRmdegi, _

sando ar ariso. arc tyuoda,

Ciqovani irakli alasanias partias

warmoadgenda, magram roca

dasWirda, uproblemod gadaxta

„ocnebis” navSi. ivaniSvilma yvelaze

kargad icis, ra viTarebaSi

moxda es. Tan mas Ss ministrad

misi Tvali da yuri undoda. ase-

Ti ki vaxtang gomelauria. gavrcelebuli

informaciiT, Ciqovanma

gaxariasTan yovelgvari kontaqti

Sewyvita da didi alba-

TobiT misi gundis wevri ar iqneba.

samagierod, „ocnebaSi” aqtiurad

saubroben, rom kalaZe iqneba

yofil premierTan erTad. es

ori erTmaneTs dasanaxad ver

itans da cota ucnauri iqneba

maTi erTad muSaoba. Tumca Cvens

politikaSi yvelaferi mosula.

Tbilisis meri damoukidebel

TamaSs Tu ver gariskavs, Seecdeba,

gaxariasTan erTad iTamaSos.

vaqcina da brZola jandacvis

ministris postisTvis

skandalurma Canawerebma aranakleb

seriozuli skandali gadafara.

saubaria vaqcinebze, romlis

Semotanasac saqarTvelos

xelisufleba ver axerxebs an Segnebulad

ar Semoaqvs. im dros,

roca dasavleTSi zooparkebSi

ukve maimunebs crian, saqarTveloSi

erTi vaqcinac ki ar aris

Semotanili. amaSi damnaSavea rogorc

jandacvis saministro, aseve

e. w. muSketerebi. paata imnaZes,

Tengiz cercvaZesa da amiran

gamyreliZes saubarSi aSkarad etyobaT,

rom vaqcinebis Semotanaze

arc fiqroben da maTi neba rom

iyos, SeiZleba, arc Semoitanon.

Cveni wyaros informaciiT, vaqcinebis

Semotanis Caflaveba

SesaZloa, jandacvis ministris

winaaRmdeg mowyobili obstruqcia

iyos. samedicino sferoSi da

„qarTul ocnebaSi” yvelam kargad

icis, rom am Tanamdebobis dakaveba

Tengiz cercvaZes surda. wlebis

manZilze is biZina ivaniSvilis

bavSvebis eqimi iyo da oligarqTan

kargi urTierToba aqvs.

rogorc „qarTuli ocnebis” kuluarebSi

yvebian, cercvaZem didi

roli Seasrula imaSi rom daviT

sergeenko jandacvis ministrobidan

gaeSvaT. egona, rom ivaniSvili

mas SesTavazebda am posts,

magram ivaniSvilma ministroba

Tavis stomatolog ekaterine

tikaraZes uboZa. gasul Semodgomaze,

roca koronam Zalian Semogvitia

da saavadmyofoebi pacientebs

ver itevdnen, daviT

sergeenko saavadmyofoSi moxalised

muSaobda. cercvaZe or

muSketerTan erTad teleekranebidan

yelyelaobda.

cercvaZem triukis Catareba

tikaraZisTvisac moindoma. SarSan

epidemia rom gamwvavda, cercvaZem

Tqva, Tanamdebobidan mivdivaro.

egona, sTxovdnen, oRond Sen ar

waxvide da ministrobas mogcem-

To. misi kaprizi aravin daakmayofila.

is Tanamdebobaze darCa,

magram muSketerebSi pirveloba

dakarga. amjerad mTavari sityva

amiran gamyreliZes eTqmis, romelsac

aseve unda ministris postis

xelSi Cagdeba. gamyreliZe er-

Txel ukve iyo jandacvis ministri

da kargad icis, Tu ra saqmeebis

datrialeba SeiZleba iq.

korona-pandemia rom ara, gamyreliZe

SesaZloa, gansasjelis

skamzec ki aRmoCeniliyo. gasuli

wlis dasawyisSi auditis samsaxurma

gamoaqveyna daskvna, saidanac

gavigeT, rom naxevari miliardis

Rirebulebis ce hepatitis

samkurnalo preparats vada gauvida.

es ZviradRirebuli preparatebi

saqarTvelos amerikis SeerTebulma

Statebma aCuqa. erTi

kursis Rirebuleba 80.000 dolaria.

am preparatebze sxva skandalic

agorda. amerikelebma isini

ruseTis Sav bazrebze aRmoaCines.

ce hepatitis samkurnalo programaSi

osebi da afxazebic arian

CarTulebi. rogorc amboben, Cveni

Cinosnebi os da afxaz Cinosnebs

Seekrnen da maTi meSveobiT

gaitanes wamali rusul bazarze.

am saqmis gamoZiebasac koronapandemiam

SeuSala xeli.

berokratia

arCevnebis win giorgi gaxariam

gagvimxila, rom misTvis idealuri

iyo Worvilis efeqti.

amaze sruliad saqarTvelo aRSfoTda,

_ Cveni gza dasavleTSi

midis da ara oligarqis sofel-

Sio. maSin Cvenma mosaxleobam jer

kidev ar icoda, rom Worvila

Turme sanatreli gvqonda da kadirovis

CeCneTSi vcxovrobdiT.

tv „pirvelis” eTerSi gasuli

gamaognebeli Canawerebis gasvlis

Semdeg ukve yvelam viciT, rom

saqarTveloSi igive ambebi trialebs,

rac CeCneTSi. bera ivaniSvili

irakli RaribaSvilsa da anzor

CubiniZes sTxovs, adamianebi

feisbuqkomentaris gamo dasajon

da sajarod moaxdevinon bodiSi.

am mimdinareobas safuZveli

Cauyara Serekilma da civsisxlianma

mkvlelma ramzan kadirovma.

araerTxel gvinaxavs video, Tu

rogor ixdian CeCneTSi adamianebi

bodiSs feisbuqze gamoqveynebuli

postis gamo. ramdenime wlis

win iq 50 wels miRweulma Cinosanma

axalgazrda gogo moiyvana

colad. qorwilis kadrebi socialur

qselSi gavrcelda. CeCeni

qalebi Sevardnen fb-Si da

moTqma atexes, es ra ubedurebaao.

kadirovma yvela maTgani

Sekriba da saTiTaod moaxdevina

bodiSi. bodiSebs is piradad ismenda.

sxva bevri bodiSi gvaqvs

nanaxi. isini, vinc bodiSs ar ixdian,

ukvalod ikargebian.

saqarTveloc aSkarad am gzas

daadga. kadirovisgan gansxvavebiT,

bera qveynis mmarTveli araa,

magram mmarTvelis Svilia da

gadawyvita, Tavisi wesebiT aTama-

Sos qveyana, rac mas ar gamouva.

yvelafris miuxedavad, am qveyana-

Si Tavisufali adamianebi cxovroben.

Tavisufali adamianebi

ar dauSveben, rom saqarTveloSi

berokratia damyardes.

9 wlis winaT xelisuflebaSi

mosulma ivaniSvilma piroba dado,

iseTi demokratia iqneba

saqarTveloSi, evropasac gavaocebTo.

demokratia ara, magram

berokratiiT ki namdvilad davaRebinebT

msoflios pirs.

5 wlis bavSvi RviZlis simsivnisgan ganikurna

5 wlis biWs RviZlis karsa da aortasTan

6 santimetramde wamonazardi

erT-erTi rigiTi ambulatoriuli meTvalureobisas

aRmoaCnda. gamokvlevebis

Sedegad eqimebma RviZlis simsivnis

diagnozi dasves da saswrafo operaciuli

mkurnalobis gadawyvetileba miiRes.

„kvlevis dros aRmoCnda retroperitonialuri

didi zomis moculobiTi

warmonaqmni, romelic RviZlis struqturebSi

invazirebda. aucilebeli iyo

qirurgiuli mkurnaloba simsivnis amo-

Rebis gziT. operacia me, zviad buliskeriam

da Cemma indoelma kolegam, sanjai

kumar gojam CavatareT, romelic saqarTveloSi

periodulad Camodis xolme.

operacia m. iaSvilis saxelobis bavSvTa

centralur saavadmyofoSi Sesrulda

da misi teqnikuri sirTulisa Tu sxva

riskfaqtorebis gaTvaliswinebiT, gar-

Tulebebis gareSe, warmatebiT Catarda”,

_ acxadebs transplantologi kaxaber

qaSibaZe.

patara pacientis mSoblebi amboben,

rom maTi Svili qveyanas meored moevlina.

rogorc bavSvis deda ixsenebs,

maTTvis mzem meored gamoanaTa.

eqimebis ZalisxmeviT, patara pacients

simsivnuri warmonaqmni srulad

moaciles. warmatebiT dasrulda postoperaciuli

periodic. biWis mdgomareoba

damakmayofilebelia da is cxovrebis

Cveul reJims daubrunda.

N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.

5


faruli Canawerebis anatomia

is, rom yvelas gvismenen da

giorgi abaSiZe

gviTvalTvaleben, axali namd-

vilad araa. imis eWvi gvqonda,

rom am kuTxiT daculebi arc umaRlesi Tanamdebobis pirebi

Tu maTi ojaxis wevrebi iyvnen. hoda, es eWvi „tv pirvelis”

eTerSi gasajaroebulma farulma Canawerma daamtkica, rom-

lis figurantebi TviT bera, premieri irakli RaribaSvili da

dacvis specialuri samsaxuris ufrosi anzor CubiniZe arian.

vis angariSsworebas gegmavs sameuli? _ am detalebSi ar Seval

da, ubralod, bolo wlebSi agorebuli e.w. faruli Canawere-

bis erTgvar anatomias SemogTavazebT.

`gadavwyvite, Riad gavxsna Tema...

SantaJiT ver gamaCumebT!~

jer kidev 2012 wlamde, anu ma-

Sin, roca saqarTvelos „nacionaluri

moZraoba” marTavda, saqveynod

iyo cnobili, rom yvelaze

uwyinar adamiansac usmendnen,

Tumca aRsaniSnavia, rom es Canawerebi

sajaro arasodes gamxdara,

anu SesaZloa, konkretul pirs piradi

cxovrebis Canawers aCvenebdnen

da amiT aSantaJebdnen, magram

televiziiT Tu socialuri qseliT

msgavsi marazmi arasodes gavrcelebula.

RvTismSoblis wilxvedr qveyanaSi

faruli Canawerebis gasajaroeba

2012 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebis win daiwyo _ e.w. cixis

kadrebma didi Tu patara, eri Tu

beri fexze daayena da im xelisuflebas

zogierTi erTguli mxardamWeric

ki ganudga. metic, Tavad

mixeil saakaSvilma aRiara, _

saqme sistemur problemasTan gvaqvso.

hoda, am cixis skandalis mere

daiwyo da daiwyo _ „farulebi”

sul biTumad qveyndeboda, anu

„cixis kadrebs” ukve piradi cxovrebis

amsaxveli kadrebis gasajaroeba

moyva.

am mxriv erT-erTi pirveli msxverpli

Jurnalisti giorgi faresaSvili

iyo, romelic, Tavis

droze, „nacionalebis” winaaRmdeg

aqtiurad ibrZoda...

Semdegi faruli Canaweris gasajaroeba

kidev ufro amazrzeni

gaxldaT da iciT, ratom? _ imitom,

rom „kadrebis Sturmis” obieqti

_ arc meti, arc naklebi _ „ocnebis”

xelisuflebis imdroindeli

ministri iyo.

ki daiwyes „qocebma” „gapraveba”,

yvelaferi miSas dros aris gadaRebuli

da Cawerilio, magram

bolomde „gapraveba” mainc ar gamovida

da ai, ratom: davuSvaT, rom

politikosis pirad cxovrebas „nacebi”

adevnebdnen Tvals, magram

weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, yofil

xelisuflebas es sibinZure saxalxod

ar gamoufenia. ai, „ocnebis”

dros ki... moxda is, rasac aravin

eloda, miT umetes, im fonze,

roca „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi samarTlianobis

aRdgenisa da amasTan,

adamianis Rirsebis dacvis egidiT

movida, magram es dapireba

iseTive blefi aRmoCnda, rogoric,

magaliTad, xuTi milioni

yvela sofels.

saerTod, piradi cxovrebis kadrebis

gasajaroeba erTgvari

fsiqologiuri teroria, terori,

romelmac adamiani SeiZleba, ar

moklas, magram ise gaanadguros,

rom cxovrebis xalisi saerTod

dakargos.

amasTan, isic cnobilia, rom

farul kadrebs yvela droisa da

yvela qveynis specsamsaxuri iyenebs,

Tumca es meTodi, rogorc

saqmeSi Caxedulni amboben, yvelaze

kargad sabWoTa uSoSroebas

hqonda „damxecebuli”.

specsamsaxuris yofili Tanm-

Sromeli „qronika+”-s uyveba, rom

sabWoTa „ÊÃÁ” faruli Canawerebis

meTods gansakuTrebiT aratradiciuli

seqsualuri orientaciis

adamianebis gadasabireblad

da aseve e.w. kapitalisturi qveynebidan

Camosuli diplomatebis

dasaSantaJeblad iyenebda.

„maxsovs, erTxel, erT-erTi

evropuli qveynidan maRali Tanamdebobis

piri Camovida. Cvens bi-

Webs operatiuli informacia hqondaT,

rom es adamiani „imnairi”

iyo. hoda, erT-erT Cvens mekavSires,

romelic qalebTanac erToboda

da kacebTanac, davaleba

miveciT, rom es adamiani „daekera”

da sastumros nomerSi yvelafers

fotofirze aRvbeWdavdiT.

erTi sityviT, yvelaferi gegmis

mixedviT wavida _ am biWma is

ucxoeli „Seaba”, restoranSi dalies

kidec da is, rac sastumros

nomerSi moxda, gadaviReT. mere, am

ucxoelTan mivediT da vuTxariT,

Tu sabWoTa uSiSroebasTan ar

iTanamSromleb, am fotoebs Sens

cols gavugzavniTo. ucxoels

gaecina da mogvigo, ra problemaa,

gaugzavenT, Cemma colma isec yvelaferi

iciso. ase Cagvivarda

„gadabirebis operacia”, _ gviyveba

yofili specsamsaxureli.

Tu kargad davakvirdebiT,

dRevandeli xelisufleba swored

am meTods iyenebs, rac, princip-

Si, gasakviric araa da ai, ratom:

2012 wlidan moyolebuli, opozicia

da aseve isinic, romlebmac

„ocneba” xmauriT datoves, amtkiceben,

rom mmarTveli gundi rusul

narativs atarebs. hoda, Tu

yvelaferi es marTalia, maSin isic

araa gasakviri, Tu ratom daadga

mmarTveli elita „faruli kadrebis

gzas”, gzas, romelic Sesa-

Zloa, Zalian cudi procesebis

dasawyisi gaxdes.

ise, piradi cxovrebis amsaxveli

pirveli kadrebi rom gasajarovda,

yvelas gvegona, es marazmi

aRar gagrZeldeboda, magram

ase ar moxda _ Semdegi msxverpli

Jurnalisti inga grigolia

aRmoCnda.

sxvaTa Soris, Cveni kolega

mudam xazs usvams, rom misi piradi

cxovrebis amsaxveli kadrebi,

diax, „nacionalebis” dros gakeTda,

magram maSin azradac aravis

mosvlia, rom es sajaro gaexada.

ai, axla ki grigolias pirdapir

daemuqrnen, Tu ar gaCerdeboda,

anu rogorc Jurnalisti Tu

loialuri ar gaxdeboda, mis pirad

cxovrebas mTeli saqarTvelo

naxavda.

inga grigolia ar gaCerda. metic:

am Temaze sajaro saubari

daiwyo da zustad oTxi wlis win,

2016 wlis 14 marts, „tv pirvelis”

pirdapir eTerSi ganacxada:

„dRes morigi video gavrcelda,

romelSic, sxvebTan erTad,

Cemi piradi cxovrebis amsaxveli

faruli kadrebis gasajaroebiT

damemuqrnen, Tu qveyanas ar davtoveb.

me inga var, grigolia _

qali, Svili, deda da megobari.

myavs araCveulebrivi Seyvarebuli,

maqvs seqsi da asec vapireb,

gavagrZelo Cemi cxovreba. xolo

Tqven ki, vinc Cemi piradi cxovrebis

gasajaroebiT memuqrebiT da

moiTxovT, rom qveyana davtovo,

pirobas gaZlevT, Tavs Sevaklav

Cemi da sxva adamianebis uflebebis

dacvas da yvelafers gavakeTeb

imisTvis, rom cixeSi mravali

wliT aRmoCndeT _ am kadrebis gadamRebic

da ganmxorcielebelic.

wlebis winaT me Cemi Svilis

mokvlis muqaram ver gamaCera da

ver gamaCuma da es saqme am dromde

gamouZiebeli ido sod-Si, Tumca

arasdros amaze pirdapiri eTeriT

ar misaubria.

ai, axla ki gadavwyvite, swored

pirdapir eTerSi, Riad gavxsna

Tema da piroba davdo, rom bolomde

Cavyvebi Cveni uflebebis

dacvas da veranairi SantaJiT ver

gamaCumebT.

me im Taobis Jurnalisti var,

romelic am saxelmwifosTan er-

Tad, am politikosebTan erTad

gaizarda. me im Taobis Jurnalisti

var, vinc damoukideblobis

gamocxadebis Semdeg moyveba am

saxelmwifos.

me da Cemi kolegebi im Taobis

Jurnalistebi varT, romelsac

yvelaferi nanaxi gvaqvs. Tumca

aRmoCnda, rom is, rac vnaxeT Cveni

TvaliT, is procesebi, rac Cven

gavaSuqeT, Jurnali yofila. Turme

2016 wlis 14 marti win yofila.

dRes 2016 wlis 14 martia. albaT

yvelaze koSmarul sizmarSic ver

warmovidgendi, rom dRevandeli

dila muqariT gaTendeboda.

ver warmovidgendi, rom am muqaris

Sesaxeb, arc meti ar naklebi,

Cemi Svilisgan gavigebdi. Cemi

Svilisgan, romelic am saxelmwifosTan,

CvenTan erTad gaizarda.

`mokled, asea Tu ise, frTxilad iyaviT,

frTxilad iyaviT, radgan Tqven mxolod ki

ar gismenen da giTvalTvaleben, aramed

socialur qselSi Tqvens aqtiurobasac

akvirdebian da Tu romelime Tanamdebobis

pirs, mis Svils an ojaxis romelime wevrs

Tqveni komentari an, sulac, `laiqi~ ar

mowoneba, SesaZloa, `strelka~ TviT Zalovani

uwyebebis pirvelma pirebma dagiTqvan da erTi

SexedviT, uwyinari onlainaqtiurobisTvis

sakadrisadac daisajoT!~

Sen Tu Tqven, visac ase Zalian ginda

da gindaT, rom me axla am

eTerSi ar vijde, qveynidan wavide,

gagikvirdebaT da ar vapireb CirgvebSi

jdomas da nerviulobas am

Temaze. sxvisi ar vici, magram me

msgavsi SantaJisa da muqaris ar

meSinia, arc gaCumebas vapireb da

ufro metad movedi brZolis xasiaTze.

arsad wasvlas ar vapireb,

daaSantaJeT da SeaSineT is, vinc

SegiSinebiaT”.

piradi cxovrebis amsaxveli kadrebiT,

sxvaTa Soris, Tina xda-

Selsac daemuqrnen. arada, es qalbatoni

karga xans araTu mxolod

„ocnebis” liderSifis wevri iyo,

aramed, rogorc amboben, „ocnebis”

gariJraJze Tavad biZina

ivaniSvils politikur rCevebsac

aZlevda da amasTan, igive 2012

wlis saparlamento arCevnebamde,

dasavleTTan „ocnebis” daaxloebac

hqonda davalebuli.

piradi cxovrebis amsaxveli kadrebis

bolo skandali, aseve,

Tavis droze, „ocnebis” mebairaxtresa

da axla „antiocnebel” eka

beselias ukavSirdeba. sxva saqmea,

qalbatoni beselia vinmes moswons

Tu ara, amas mniSvneloba ar aqvs,

radgan roca adamianis piradi sivrce

irRveva, aq partiuli kuTvnileba

Tu politikuri simpaTiebi

ukana planze iwevs. miT umetes,

im fonze, roca gvinda, rom evropuli

saxelmwifo gavxdeT da

dasavleTma Tavis srulfasovan

wevrad gvaRiaros!

erTi sityviT, Tu kargad davakvirdebiT,

„ocnebis” dros „faruli

kadrebis” msxverplTa umetesoba

an „ocnebis” yofili wevria,

an am gundTan Tavis droze

pirdapiri Tu iribi Sexeba hqonda.

e. i., gamodis, rom „ocneba” yvelaze

sastiki meTodebiT swored

maT uswordeba, romlebic mis

wiaRSi iyvnen da Semdeg, ama Tu im

mizeziT, ganze gadgnen, anu politikuri

gemovneba da mrwamsi Seicvales.

iqneba Tu ara faruli Canawerebis

axali seriebi? _ am kiTxvaze

amomwuravi pasuxi ar arsebobs,

magram eqspertebi eWvoben,

rom yvelafer imas, rac 6 marts

moxda, erTgvari dominos efeqti

eqneba, anu SesaZloa, kidev ufro

mZafrsiuJetiani raRacebi vixiloT

da movisminoT. yvelaferi

es ki, didi albaTobiT, xelisuflebis

isedac dacemul imijs

kidev ufro dascems da Sesabamisad,

mmarTvel gundSi arsebuli

politikuri krizisi kidev ufro

did CixSi Seva.

ra aris aqedan gamosavali? _

igive eqspertebi miiCneven, rom

yvelaze kargi gamosavali is iqneba,

rom Tu mTeli mTavroba ara,

premieri da saxelmwifo dacvis

samsaxuris xelmZRvaneli minimum,

gamoZiebis damTavrebamde gadadgnen

da gairkves, sinamdvileSi

ra xdeba, magram mTeli ubedureba

isaa, rom „tv pirvelis” eTerSi

gasuli masalis gamo gamoZieba aqamde

ar dawyebula. arada, yvela

wesiTa da logikiTac saqme im

wuTasve unda aRZruliyo, rogorc

ki eTerSi gadacemis anonsi

gavida. axla, zogi gamodis da ambobs,

adamianis ukanono mosmena

da TvalTvali dasjadiao. ki batono,

asea, magram im CanawerebSi,

rac televiziiT movismineT, pirad

cxovrebaze araa saubari,

Tanac misi figurantebi rigiTi

moqalaqeebi ki ara, is adamianebi

arian, romlebsac umaRlesi saxelmwifo

Tanamdebobebi adrec

ekavaT da axlac ukaviaT! mokled,

asea Tu ise, frTxilad iyaviT,

frTxilad iyaviT, radgan Tqven

mxolod ki ar gismenen da giTvalTvaleben,

aramed socialur

qselSi Tqvens aqtiurobasac akvirdebian

da Tu romelime Tanamdebobis

pirs, mis Svils an ojaxis

romelime wevrs Tqveni komentari

an, sulac, „laiqi” ar mowoneba,

SesaZloa, „strelka” TviT Zalovani

uwyebebis pirvelma pirebma

dagiTqvan da erTi SexedviT, uwyinari

onlainaqtiurobisTvis sakadrisadac

daisajoT!

6 N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.

wesiT da rigiT, is darRveve-

Tamar rostiaSvili

bi, rac saxalxo damcvelis apa-

577 10 07 06

ratma Tbilisis fsiqikuri janm-

rTelobis centrSi aRmoaCina,

prokuraturas unda gadaugzavnos, xolo personalis nawili

sisxlis samarTlis pasuxismgeblobis qveS unda misces.


fsiqikuri janmrTelobis centrSi

Zaladobis msxverpli pacientebi

ar iReben fsiqo-Terapiul

mkurnalobas. im SemTxvevebSi,

rodesac Zaladobis Sedegad pacients

fizikuri dazianebebi aReniSneba,

maT mimarT xorcieldeba

mxolod samedicino intervencia,

rac sxeulis dazianebebis damu-

SavebaSi gamoixateba. meti araferi!

dawesebulebaSi ar aris miRebuli

zomebi pacientTa wamebis,

sastiki, araadamianuri mopyrobis

sxva formebisgan dacvis uzrunvelsayofad.

vinaidan telefonebi

ar gaaCniaT, darekvis survilis

SemTxvevaSi, TxovniT unda mimar-

Ton personals, razedac xSirad

uars eubnebian. da Tu darekvis

ufleba misces, personali maT

Tavze adgas saubrisas da marto

ar tovebs.

centrSi dasjis Taviseburi

sad aZleven

pacientebs sakvebs

tualetebisa da

derefnebis gaxexvis

sanacvlod?

N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.

pacientebis SeboWva, cema, sakvebis

armicema, oTaxSi ramdenime

dRiT gamoketva, dafxvnili wamlebis

muWiT ZaliT pirSi Cayra, haerze

gaSveba da damatebiT sakvebis

micema tualetebisa da derefnebis

gaxexvis sanacvlod _ es

aris mcire CamonaTvali imisa, rac

monitoringis jgufs adgilze

daxvda.

Tbilisis fsiqikuri janmrTelobis

centrSi pacientebi ar arian

daculi Zaladobisgan, araadamianuri

an damamcirebeli mopyrobisgan.

amis Taobaze manamde

araerTi informacia da Setyobineba

miiRo prevenciis jgufma.

saubari iyo saavadmyofos personalis

mxridan pacientebis mimarT

ganxorcielebuli fizikuri Zaladobis

Sesaxeb. aseve bevri SemTxveva

aRiricxeboda pacientTa Soris

konfliqtebis, ris Sedegadac

fsiqiatriuli problemebis mqone

pirebi iarebsa da sxvadasxva sxeulebriv

dazianebas iRebdnen.

calke Seswavlil iqna SenobaSi

arsebuli sayofacxovrebo pirobebi,

romelic aseve SemaZrwunebeli

aRmoCnda. saavadmyofos Ziri-

Tadi nawilis infrastruqtura

moZvelebulia. uremontobis gamo,

TiTqmis yvela mravaladgiliani

saerTo palatebi gadatvirTulia.

arsebuli pandemiis pirobebSi ki

es infeqciis gavrcelebis maRal

risks warmoSobs.

dawesebulebaSi pacientebis

umravlesobas gansazRvruli aqvs

nebayoflobiTi fsiqiatriuli

daxmarebisTvis stacionirebuli

pacientis statusi, Tumca sinamdvileSi

arc erT maTgans ar Seu-

Zlia, centri sakuTari nebiT datovos.

slengis enaze rom vTqvaT,

isini iq „gamomwyvdeulebi” arian.

stacionarSi moTavsebaze pacientis

Tanxmoba dRemde gaigivebulia

mkurnalobaze _ sWirdeba mas

es Tu ara. Sedegad _ fsiqikuri

janmrTelobis centrSi formalurad

nebayoflobiT, xolo, realurad,

aranebayoflobiT moTavsebuli

pacientebi imyofebian,

romelTa nawili mudmivad iTxovs

saxlSi dabrunebas, ver axerxeben

sakuTari uflebebis dacvas da

eqvemdebarebian maTi nebis sawinaaRmdego

fizikur SezRudvas. ar

vazviadebT _ ombudsmenis angariSSi

pirdapir weria: „isini

warmoadgenen araadamianuri da

damamcirebeli mopyrobis msxverplebs”.

xangrZlivi hospitalizacia

imdenad arTmevs beneficiarebs

cxovrebiseul unar-Cvevebs,

rom maTi sazogadoebaSi dabruneba

mZime barierebTan aris dakav-

Sirebuli. pacientebis umravlesoba

ar flobs informacias misi

uflebebis Sesaxeb.

xSirad maTi medikamentozuri

mkurnaloba gverdiT efeqtebs

ukavSirdeba. centrSi ar xdeba

antifsiqozuri medikamentebis

gverdiTi efeqtebis saTanado

marTva, rac pacientebSi sxvadasxva

daavadebis provocirebas uwyobs

xels. fsiqikuri janmrTelobis

mqone pacientebs ar utardebaT

sayovelTao jandacvis farglebSi

xelmisawvdomi skrininguli

gamokvlevebi. qirurgiuli

stomatologiis momsaxurebas Tu

ar CavTvliT, Tavad pacienti ixdis

momsaxurebis safasurs. rac

Seexeba saxelmwifos mier dafinansebul

stomatologiur momsaxurebas,

kvlevis Sedegad dadginda,

rom maTi didi nawili stomatologiur

daxmarebas ver iRebs.

pacientebs SezRuduli aqvT

kontaqti gare samyarosTan, CamorTmeuli

aqvT kuTvnili telefonebi

da ojaxTan dakavSirebis

survilis SemTxvevaSi damokidebuli

arian personalis keTil

nebaze. pacientebidan arc erTs

usargeblia werilis gagzavnis

uflebiT. amas medpersonali imiT

xsnis, rom eSiniaT virusis gavrcelebis.

rom viTomda centrSi

epidemiologiuri viTarebidan

gamomdinare, SezRudulia mnaxvelebis

miReba.

calke da gadauwyvetel problemad

rCeba fsiqikuri problemebis

mqone pacientebis kveba. isini

ukmayofilebas gamoTqvamdnen

sakvebis gemosTan dakavSirebiT:

saWmels ar aqvs cximi, aklia marili

da Saqari. am ingredientebis

damoukideblad damateba ki Seu-

Zlebelia, imitom rom momvlelebi

maT amis saSualebas ar aZleven.

kidev ufro mniSvnelovania

sakvebis xarisxTan dakavSirebuli

problemebi. iq pacientebis TqmiT,

dawesebulebaSi xSiria sakvebis

miRebis Semdeg mowamvlis SemTxvevebi.

yvelaze Semzaravi monitoringis

Catarebisas iyo is, rom

dawesebulebaSi ar xdeba sakvebis

xarisxis Semowmeba.

fsiqikuri problemebis mqone

pacientebs xili ar miewodebaT an

Zalian iSviaTad da isic mcire

raodenobiT. sasmel wyals iReben

plastmasis boTliT sapirfareSo-

Si arsebuli onkanidan, rac yovlad

dauSvebelia!

saavadmyofoSi moTavsebuli

beneficiarebi ar arian daculi

Zaladobisgan. personali maT

xSirad uyviris, uxeSad mimarTavs

da ar pasuxobs moxmobaze. pacientebi

saubrobdnen cemaze, sityvier

Seuracxyofaze, medikamentebis

dafxvnili saxiT ZaliT pirSi

Cayraze, ineqciebis iZulebiT gakeTebis

praqtikaze da am proces-

Si pacientebis monawileobaze, maT

Soris, qali pacientebisTvis ineqciebis

iZulebiT gakeTebis procesSi

kaci pacientebis monawileobis

SemTxvevebze. pacientebi

aRniSnavdnen, rom samedicino personali

gansakuTrebuli agresiulobiT

gamoirCeva dawesebuleba-

Si pacientis miRebis dros, ker-

Zod, pacientebs eqcevian uxeSad

da maT scemen.

momsaxure personalsa da pacientebis

garda xSiria konfliqti

da Zaladobis faqtebi Tavad

pacientebs Soris. am dros personali,

rogorc wesi, ar ereva,

Tu viTareba umarTavSi ar gadadis.

ase magaliTad, pacientebisgan

miRebuli informaciis Tanaxmad,

erT-erT SemTxvevaSi erTma

pacientma cocxiT scema meore da

TmebiT aTria, magram vinaidan

personali am dros sadilobda,

sakvebis miReba ar Sewyvits. meore

SemTxvevaSi pacienti yveba, rom

personali saerTod ar mivida mis

dasaxmareblad, rodesac mas sxva

pacienti scemda.

kvlevis Sedegad, pacientebs

Soris konfliqtebis gamomwvevi

ramdenime mizezi dadginda. dapirispirebis

erT-erTi mizezi aris

dawesebulebis saerTo sivrceebisa

da palatebis dalageba. pacientebi

cdiloben moipovon

dalagebis ufleba personalisgan,

radgan dalagebis SemTxvevaSi,

personali maT aZlevs sigaretsa

da damatebiT sakvebs, romelic

kvebis racionSi ar Sedis. konfliqtebis

gamomwvevi mizezi aseve

aris nivTebisa da sakvebis erTmaneTisTvis

warTmeva an moparva,

mweveli da aramweveli pacientebis

erT palataSi ganTavseba.

òrive (kacTa da qalTa) ganyofilebaSi arian

pacientebi, romlebsac Tavi gadaparsuli aqvT

da rogorc gairkva, gadaparsvis mizezi

pacientebis datilianeba iyo~

meTodebia SemuSavebuli. magali-

Tad, SeuZliaT pacienti xangr-

Zlivi droiT Caketon palataSi,

rac kanonmdeblobiT sastikad

dauSvebelia. sayuradReboa is

faqti, rom dawesebulebis personalis

mxridan ugulebelyofilia

usafrTxoebis dacvis minimaluri

wesebi, rogoricaa pirbadis tareba

da Termoskriningi. vizitis

dros dawesebulebis personalis

umetesobas ar ekeTa pirbade da

maT COVID-19-ze testireba ar

utardebodaT. Tu stacionarSi

myof pacients aReniSneba cxeleba,

marTva xdeba adgilze, eqimi

Terapevtis mier, misi COVID-19-ze

testireba ki mxolod im SemTxvevaSi

tardeba, Tu mkurnalobis

dasrulebis Semdeg kvlav fiqsirdeba

cxeleba.

stacionaris ganyofilebebSi

arsebuli derefnebis, palatebisa

da sveli wertilebis ZiriTadi

nawili saWiroebs saswrafo remonts.

sakuTriv palatebSi pacientTa

raodenoba meryeobs 1-dan 6

-mde. fanjrebze ar aris damonta-

Jebuli fardebi an Jaluzebi da

dRis ganmavlobaSi zogierT sawols

adgeba pirdapiri mzis Suqi,

rac zafxulis periodSi, maRali

temperaturis gamo, iwvevs aseT

palatebSi myofi pacientebis dasicxvas.

pacientebis umravlesoba

kviraSi erTxel sargeblobs pirvel

sarTulze ganTavsebuli saer-

To saSxapiT, xolo is pacientebi,

romlebsac aqvT gadaadgilebis

problema, sargebloben ganyofilebebSi

arsebuli saSxapeebiT.

Semowmebis Sedegad gairkva, rom

ganyofilebebSi arsebuli saSxapeebis

onkanebi da tualetebi

saWiroebs SekeTebas, unitazebze

Tavsaxurebis damontaJebasa da a.

S. zogierT pacients saponic ki ar

hqonda. isini acxadebdnen, rom

personals maTTvis ar miucia da

sapniT dabanis SesaZlebloba mxolod

kviraSi erTxel, banaobis

dros eZleodaT. zogierT pacients

hqonda kbilis jagrisic,

Tumca acxadebdnen, rom kbilis

pasta ar hqondaT.

qali pacientebis gadmocemiT,

higienuri safenebis moTxovnis

SemTxvevaSic, personali uars

eubneba im mizeziT, rom „ar scaliaT”

da aZleven im SemTxvevaSi, Tu

„xasiaTze arian”.

dawesebulebaSi problemuria

pacientTa parazitebisgan dacva.

jgufis mier miRebuli informaciis

Tanaxmad, xSiria pacientebis

datilianebis SemTxvevebi da

am problemis mogvarebas personali

tilebis sawinaaRmdego xsnarebis

gamoyenebiT cdilobda. swored

amis gamo, orive (kacTa da

qalTa) ganyofilebaSi arian pacientebi,

romlebsac Tavi gadaparsuli

aqvT da rogorc gairkva,

gadaparsvis mizezi pacientebis

datilianeba iyo.

palatebis nawilSi arsebul

loginebze gadakrulia daxeuli

da dasvrili TeTreuli. ramdenime

pacients ar hqonda zewari da

baliSis piri. jgufis mier miRebuli

informaciis Tanaxmad, pacientebs

ar eZlevaT axali (uxmari)

TeTreuli, xolo TeTreulis

perioduli gamocvla xdeba 1

an 2 TveSi erTxel.

problemuria pacientebis

tansacmliT uzrunvelyofis sakiTxi.

pacientebis umravlesobas

ar gaaCnia piradi tansacmeli da

TeTreuli (sacvlebi da biusthalterebi).

rogorc gairkva,

ganyofilebebSi myofi pacientebis

tansacmeli irecxeba erTianad

da, amave dros, pacientebs eZlevaT

sxvisi naxmari tansacmeli,

windebi da TeTreuli, rac specialuri

prevenciuli jgufis SefasebiT,

qmnis gadamdebi daavadebebis

gavrcelebis safrTxes.

saavadmyofos medpersonali

iyenebs pacientebis Sromas sigaretis

an damatebiTi sakvebis sanacvlod.

ramdenime pacienti yavis,

sigaretisa da damatebiTi sakvebis

sanacvlod alagebs stacionaris

derefnebs, palatebsa da svel

wertilebs. aseT pacientebs aseve

aZleven maTi uflebebiT (gaseirneba

da telefonze darekva)

sargeblobis SesaZleblobas.

janmrTelobis centrSi arsebuli

mZime sayofacxovrebo pirobebi,

gadatvirTuloba, dRis man-

Zilze aqtivobebis gareSe yofna

da zog SemTxvevaSi pacientebis

SromiTi eqsploatacia savalalod

aisaxeba pacientebis janmrTelobaze

da warmoadgens maT mimarT

araadamianur da damamcirebel

mopyrobas.

7


`Tu SeTanxmeba Sedgeba, parlamentSi

„Cven vixilavT sakiTxs, rom

vano pavliaSvili

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ideT parlamentSi, radgan sakon-

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sciti iqneba Tu pirdapir riggareSe arCevnebi, airCion an erTi

an meore varianti, miscen es informacia fasilitatorebs Tu

aw ukve moderatorebs da gavigebT amis Sesaxeb. 16 martis ded-

laini dauweses swored maT _ mTavrobas, rom konkretuli

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mkacri da cudi iqneba reaqciebi dasavleTis mxridan. Cven

Camoyalibebulebi varT da martiv raRacas vambobT, poli-

tikuri gansxvavebulobis gamo xalxi cixeSi ar unda ijdes da

meore mTavari sakiTxi aris, rom am qveyanas sWirdeba SeTanxmeba

da xalxs vkiTxoT”, _ am gancxadebis avtori „strate-

gia aRmaSeneblis” lideri, giorgi vaSaZea.

giorgi vaSaZe:

`saakaSvils

aSS-Si ar

elaparakebian!~

giorgi vaSaZe „qronika+~-

sTan ramdenime mniSvnelovan

gancxadebas akeTebs, maT Soris,

imasac, rom mixeil saakaSvils

aSS-Si aravin elaparake-

ba:

_ giorgi, 15 martisgan ras

elodebiT?

_ „qarTul ocnebas” dro

aqvs daTqmuli, rom evrokav-

Siris winaSe konkretuli winadadebebiT

unda wardges. amitom

iseTi winadadebebi unda

moifiqros, romelic opoziciisTvis

misaRebi iqneba. faqti

isaa, rom gadawyvetileba eqvsive

punqtze, ufro sworad,

gafarToebul eqvsive punqtze

unda miiRon.

_ „gafarToebuli eqvsive

punqti” ras niSnavs?

_ aqamde oTxi punqti arsebobda,

romelsac miSelis

vizitis Semdeg kidev ori daemata.

mokled, eqvsive sakiTxze

„ocnebam” unda gvaCvenos gza,

politikuri krizisidan gamosvlas

rogor apirebs.

_ dRevandeli mocemulobiT,

„ocneba” arafris daTmobas

apirebs. yovel SemTx-

vevaSi, mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenlebi

jiutad imeoreben,

es eqvsi punqti SeT-

anxmebuli dokumenti ki ara,

magidaze dadebuli mosazrebaa

da meti araferio. am vi-

TarebaSi risi imedi gaqvT?

_ mocemul viTarebaSi es

„ocnebis” mxridan wylis nayva

da sakuTari amomrCevlis Segulianebaa,

Torem konkretuli

winadadebebis motana, ra Tqma

unda, mouwevs! sxvaTa Soris,

isic unda gvesmodes, rom es

kompromisi calmxrivi ar iqneba.

_ anu?

_ evrokavSiris SemTxvevaSi,

kompromisis moTxovna CvenTvisac

iqneba, Tumca is, rom adamianebi

cixeSi politikuri niSniT

ar unda darCnen, orjer

ori oTxia da amaSi gansakuTrebuls

verafers vxedav. mokled,

vnaxoT.

_ opozicia ra kompromisze

wava, anu rogorc ganacxadeT,

Tu SeTanxmeba Sedgeba, parla-

mentSi SexvalT?

_ diax, Tu SeTanxmeba Sedgeba,

parlamentSi Sesvla racionaluric

iqneba.

_ damisabuTeT, paralmen-

tSi Sesvla Tundac SeTanxme-

bis SemTxvevaSi racionaluri

ratom iqneba?

_ es SeTanxmeba sakonstitucio

cvlilebebsac gulisxmobs,

romlis gansaxorcielebladac

113 deputatia saWiro.

_ imaze, rom kompromisze

wavides da parlamentSi Tundac

saarCevno kodeqsis cvlilebis

sababiT Sevides, mTe-

li opozicia iqneba Tanaxma?

_ ar mainteresebs.

_ ra ar gainteresebT?

_ yvelafer amas partia

„strategia aRmaSeneblis” saxeliT

vsaubrob. Tu sagiJeTSi

mivdivarT da xels vawerT dokuments,

romelsac sakonstitucio

cvlileba sWirdeba da

amisTvis parlamentSi Sesabamiss

kvorums ar vqmniT, maSin

ras an ratom viTxovT da, saer-

Tod, ra gvinda? es seriozuli

procesia, romelic seriozul

analizs saWiroebs.

_ giorgi, davakonkretoT:

am gancxadebas partia „stra-

tegia aRmaSeneblis” saxeliT

akeTebT Tu koaliciis?

_ partiis, Tumca ar mgonia,

rom koaliciaSi gansxvavebuli

pozicia iyos.

_ Tu „ocnebasTan” SeT-

anxmebas dokumentis saxe ar

miecema, xom rCeba imis Sansi,

rom movlenebi 20 ivnisis Sem-

dgomi scenariT ganviTardes,

roca ivaniSvilma srulad pr-

oporciuli arCevnebis piroba

dado, Tumca, rogorc ityvian,

bolo seriaSi „gadagagdoT”

da 31 oqtombris arCevne-

bi naxevrad proporciuliT

Catarda?

_ gasagebia, magram am SemTxvevaSi

garanti evrokavSiri da

piradad misi prezidenti xdeba,

radgan igi mxolod fasilitatori

ki ara, mediatoricaa,

anu Cven marto ar viqnebiT da

dasavleTi mogvexmareba!

_ opozicia mudmivad xazs

usvams, rom „ocneba” avtori-

tarul reJimad yalibdeba.

aseT reJimebs ki, rogorc

wesi, arc evropis azri ain-

teresebT da arc _ aSS-is.

_ Tu ar ainteresebT, maSin

SeTanxmeba saerTod ar Sedgeba.

mkveTr gancxadebebSi zogs

bolomde veTanxmebi, zogs _

ara, magram weRandeli Tqmisa

ar iyos, es SeTanxmeba evrokav-

Siris iZulebiT xdeba, anu Sesabamisad,

„ocneba” mas angariSs

uwevs da Tu ase araa, maSin arc

SeTanxmeba Sedgeba.

_ giorgi, gamoricxavT, rom

15 martamde raRacebi „ocneb-

is” SigniTve amotrialdes, ai,

magaliTad, „nodar melaZis SabaTSi”

gasajaroebuli faru-

li Canaweris mere premieri

gadadges da misi adgili iseT-

ma xistma adamianma daikavos,

rogoric, vTqvaT, Tea wu-

lukiania da romelic ityvis,

ra evrokavSiri da ris SeT-

anxmeba, arc vadamdeli iqneba

da arc politpatimrebi gan-

Tavisufldebiano...

_ es sxva ganrigi iqneba.

_ mainc, ra ganrigi?

_ am procesiT naTeli

gaxdeba, rom evrokavSirSi integraciis

gza sabolood gadaiketa,

magram aseTi ganrigi

jer ar arsebobs. amitom dRes

arsebuli viTarebidan gamomdinare

unda vimoqmedoT da

Sesabamisi svlebi gavakeToT.

_ Tu „ocneba” ityvis, politpatimrebs

vaTavisufleb, ma-

gram vadamdels ar an 2022

wlisTvis vniSnavo, es mocemu-

loba opoziciisTvis misaRebi

iqneba?

_ es ver moxdeba.

_ ratom?

_ SeTanxmeba eqvsive punqtze

unda iyos da Tu arCevnebis Casatareblad

2022 weli dasaxeldeba,

amaze vimsjelebT.

_ 2022 opoziciisTvis mis-

aRebia?

_ jer ar gvimsjelia. plebiscits

yvela mxare unda daeT-

`gaxarias politikaSi Semosvla saintereso

iqneba, magram vnaxoT, eyofa Tu ara

gambedaoba, rom es nabiji gadadgas! saerTod,

politikaSi Semosvla da damoukidebeli

aqtivoba martivi ar aris!~

anxmos, 2022 wlis Temaze ki ar

gvimsjelia.

_ anu piradad Tqven Tanax-

ma xarT, rom plebiscitiT

gadawydes, vadamdeli arCevne-

bi Catardeba Tu ara?

_ diax, piradad me Tanaxma

var.

_ ukacravad, magram vadamdelis

gasarkvevad plebisci-

ti ra saWiroa?

_ roca mxareebi ver Tanxmdebian,

xalxs unda vkiTxoT,

rggareSe arCevnebi unda Catardes

Tu _ ara? am sazogadoebaSi

arc mxolod opozicia cxovrobs

da arc mxolod _ „qarTuli

ocneba”. Sesabamisad, plebisciti

imisTvis arsebobs,

rom xalxma sakuTari azri daafiqsiros.

aba, Tu xalxs ar SevekiTxebiT,

vis unda vkiTxoT?

_ aqamde, rogorc maxsovs,

opozicia xalxis saxeliT sau-

brobda, ai, mosaxleobam icis,

rom 31 oqtombris arCevnebi

gayalbda da vadamdeli auci-

lebeliao.

_ Cveni mxardamWerebis saxeliT

vsaubrobdiT, magram arsebobs

sxva xalxi, romelsac

sxva azri aqvs. Sesabamisad, roca

ver Tanxmdebi, azri xalxs

unda hkiTxo. saerTod, plebisciti

demokratiis yvelaze ma-

Rali gamoxatulebaa, radgan

sakuTar azrs TiToeuli moqalaqe

afiqsirebs. ver warmomidgenia,

vinme imis winaaRmdegi

iyos, rom is gavakeToT, rac

xalxs unda!

_ xalxis azri, ra Tqma unda,

gasaTvaliswinebelia, magram

Tu Tamar Jvaniam da ces-

ko-m 31 oqtombris arCevnebi

gaayalbes, ratom ggoniaT,

rom plebiscitis Sedegebsac

ar gaayalbeben?

_ es zRapari da sisulelea!

_ ukacravad, zRapari da,

miT umetes, sisulele ratom

aris?

_ plebiscits igive Jvania,

igive cesko da igive saarCevno

sistema ar atarebs!

_ aba, vin da ra atarebs?

8 N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.

_ am SeTanxmebis erT-erTi

punqti fundamenturi saarCevno

reformebia da Tu vinme imas

ambobs, rac mkiTxeT, orosnoba,

gaunaTlebloba da waukiTxaobaa!

pirveli punqtidan meeqvsemde,

anu bolomde unda

waikiTxo da ara _ mxolod

dokumentis erTi punqti.

_ gasagebia, magram yvelafe-

ri es droSi gaiweleba _ sanam

sakonstitucio cvlilebebi

ganxorcieldeba, mere sanam

plebisciti Catardeba, mere _

vadamdeli arCevnebi da amaso-

baSi weliwadze metic gava...

hoda, yvelafer amas azri eqn-

eba?

_ axla Tqvens Tavs ewinaaRmdegebiT.

_ ratom?

_ droSi rom ar gaiwelos,

maSin yvelaferi Jvaniam unda

Caataros.

_ ase gamodis, magram pleb-

isciti ra saWiroa, ar jobia,

pirdapir vadamdeli arCevnebi

dainiSnos?

_ diax, mec ase mirCevnia, magram

roca ver Tanxmdebi, maSin

plebiscitia saWiro, rom gadawyvito,

xalxs ra unda.

_ plebiscitis ideas opoziciis

yvela lideri ar emxro-

ba...

_ raSi mainteresebs, Tu am

sakiTxze azri gaiyofa?

_ ratom ar gainteresebT?

_ naklebad mainteresebs,

SeTanxmebis sapirispiro azrs

vin gamoTqvams da daafiqsirebs.

man pasuxi amomrCevlisgan

unda miiRos, radgan TamaSi ar

SeiZleba. es saTamaSo ki ara,

saxelmwifoa! saerTod, politikuri

speqtris mimarT undobloba

araTanmimdevrulobiTa

da erTi poziciidan meoreze

mudmivi xtomiTaa gamowveuli.

me ki amas ar vapireb!

_ xtoma, cxadia, cudia, magram

ukve iTqva, „lelom”, „strategia

aRmaSenebelma” da el-

ene xoStariam SesaZloa, axali

bloki SeqmnaT. Tu ase moxda,

e. i., enm-sTan arsebuli opoz-

iciuri erToba daiSleba da

or banaks miviRebT?

_ es ra SuaSia? jer erTi,

detalurad araferzea saubari.

ubralod, RonisZiebaze

dagvpatiJes da mivedi.

meorec, Tu vinmesTan partiul

TanamSromlobas daviwyebT,

aman rame ratom unda gamoiwvios?

am gaerTianebaSi koaliciebic

arian da calkeuli

partiebic...

saerTod, araerTxel miTqvams

da axlac gavimeoreb, rom

mZlavri mizidulobis centria

Camosayalibebeli.

Cveni partiis momavals „nacionalur

moZraobasTan” ver

vxedav, radgan es CemTvis wagebis

gzaa!

_ sxvaTa Soris, opoziciis

im erTobaSi, sadac dRes xarT,

nino burjanaZecaa...

_ koalicias verc burjanaZesTan

erTad vxedav.

_ aba, dRes burjanaZis

gverdiT rogor xarT?

_ dRes Tematuri sakiTxia.

_ anu?

_ sxvadasxva opoziciuri partia

sakuTar azrs afiqsirebs,

rasac ver davuSli, Tumca es

imas rodi niSnavs, rom romelimesTan

koaliciur Tanam-

Sromlobas vapireb!

_ giorgi, xom ar geCvenebaT,

rom dRes arsebul opoziciis

protestSi garkveuli opozi-

ciuri Zalebi lokomotivis

rolis morgebas da amiT muxtis

dacemas cdiloben, anu aq-

ciebis gadadebaze yvela lideri

Tanaxma iyaviT Tu es ro-

melimes iniciativiT moxda?

_ yvelaferze yvela Tanaxma

arasodesaa, Tumca amaSi SeT-

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Sesvla racionaluri iqneba!~

`SeTanxmebis SemTxvevaSi parlamentSi arSesvla nebismieri politikuri

Zalis mxridan, ubralod, araadekvatur nabijad mimaCnia! sagiJeTSi ar

vcxovrobT, gvinda, qveyana avaSenoT, giJebisTvis ki gza xsnilia!~

qmulebis Teoriebs ver vxedav

da am gadawyvetilebaSi logika

arsebobs _ mZlavri saprotesto

aqcebis dros „ocnebam”

provokaciaze rom ar wamogvagos

da is didi sagareo mxardaWera

ar davkargoT,

romelic movipoveT...

_ giorgi, dRevandeli mocemulobiT,

SegviZlia, erTmniSvnelovnad

vTqvaT, rom bi-

Zina ivaniSvilisa da sxva „me-

ocnebeebisTvis”

sanqciebi

gardauvalia Tu es erTgvari

iluziaa?

_ gardauvali araferi arsebobs

da xalxs iluziaSi nu SeviyvanT!

yvelafers seriozuli

muSaoba unda. Tu „qarTuli

ocneba” ityvis, arc evrokav-

Siris azri mainteresebs, arc _

`Tu kalaZe gadadgeba, es `qarTuli

ocnebisTvis~, ra Tqma unda, Zalian seriozuli

dartyma iqneba - daasustebs!~

amerikeli partniorebis, arc _

opoziciis da arc _ sazogadoebis

im nawilis, romelic

arCevnebs gayalbebulad miiCnevso,

maSin sanqciebic iqneba

da yvelaferic.

_ sxvaTa Soris, ramdenime

dRis win mixeil saakaSvilma

gvamcno, _ zustad vici, ivan-

iSvils sanqciebis proeqti

ukve win daudeso...

_ saakaSvilis aseTi raRacebi

naklebad mainteresebs... pirdapir

geubnebiT: aSS-s saakaSvilTan

kontaqti ar aqvs _ mas

aSS-Si ar elaparakebian!

_ ratom ar elaparakebian?

_ rigi mizezebis gamo...

_ sainteresoa...

_ me da bevr sxva adamians

gacilebiT meti kontaqti gvaqvs...

_ ise, bolo dros maincd-

amainc aRar CanxarT. rogorc

vici, ramdenime dRis win

ukrainaSi iyaviT, ufro adre

ki _ aSS-Si...

_ diax, ukrainaSi yovel kviras

davdivar.

_ risTvis?

_ kovidregulaciebi rom

moixsna, bevri aqtivoba daiwyo

_ ramdenime proeqti maqvs... ki

batono, aSS-Sic viyavi.

_ aSS-dan ra CamoitaneT?

_ amerikel megobrebTan Cemi

da „strategia aRmaSeneblis”

strategiuli partnioroba.

_ ...vTqvaT, ise moxda, rom

ukan „ocnebamac” daixia, opoziciamac

da, Sesabamisad, vadamdeli

arCevnebi daniSna. nebis-

mieri arCevnebi did fuls

ukavSirdeba da qveynisTvis xarjia.

axal arCevnebs, miT umetes,

maSin, roca TviTmmarT-

velobis arCevnebic karsaa

momdgari, qveyana gauZlebs?

_ arCevnebis Catarebaze

uars ver vityviT, Tan ekonomikuri

krizisidan gamosvlis

erTaderTi swori gza swored

xelisuflebis arCevnebis gziT

Secvla mgonia, Torem am xelisuflebis

pirobebSi, ekonomikuri

TvalsazrisiT, samwuxarod,

araferi icvleba da arc

Seicvleba, radgan mTlianad

fulis keTebaze arian gadasulebi

da ekonomika saerTod

ar aRelvebT!

_ giorgi, weRan sanqciebze

rom vsaubrobdiT, unda mekiTxa

da damaviwyda: pirovnuli

sanqciebi qveyanasac Seexe-

ba?

_ Tu sanqcirebuli pirebi

xelisuflebaSi iqnebian, es

qveyanasac daazianebs, radgan

roca naxavs, rom xelisuflebis

saTaveSi myofebi sanqcirebuli

arian, qveyanaSi erTi investoric

ar Semova!

_ Tqveni azriT, ivaniSvil-

ma premierad maincdamainc

RaribaSvili ratom daabruna?

_ vfiqrob, daabalansa, anu

saSualeba ar misca, rom Zalaufleba

mTlianad erT jgufs

aeRo.

_ romel jgufs gulisx-

mobT?

_ kobaxiZe-TalakvaZe-kalaZes.

_ xma dadis, rom kalaZe

SesaZloa, „ocnebas” gaem-

ijnos. Tu ase moxda, e. i.,

mmarTvel gundSi didi orom-

triali daiwyeba, ara?

_ Tu kalaZe gadadgeba, es

„qarTuli ocnebisTvis”, ra

Tqma unda, Zalian seriozuli

dartyma iqneba _ daasustebs!

_ gaxarias politikaSi dab-

runeba „ocnebisTvis” rogori

iqneba?

_ gaxarias politikaSi Semosvla

saintereso iqneba, magram

vnaxoT, eyofa Tu ara

gambedaoba, rom es nabiji gadadgas!

saerTod, politikaSi Semosvla

da damoukidebeli aqtivoba

martivi ar aris!

_ bolos, giorgi, im SemTxvevaSi,

Tu 6-punqtiani SeTanxmeba

Sedgeba da parlamentSi

SexvalT, albaT, poli-

tikuri bulingis msxverpli

gaxdebiT...

_ jer erTi, am sakiTxebze

daTanxmeba-SeTanxmebas „strategia

aRmaSenebeli” calke ar

ixilavs.

meorec, arc bulingi mainteresebs

da arc _ araferi.

Cven gadawyvetilebas yovelTvis

damoukideblad viRebT

iqidan gamomdinare, qveynis-

Tvis kargi da swori ra aris da

ara iqidan _ romeli partiisa

Tu politikuri figurisTvis.

mokled, SeTanxmebis SemTxvevaSi

parlamentSi arSesvla

nebismieri politikuri Zalis

mxridan, ubralod, araadekvatur

nabijad mimaCnia! sagiJeT-

Si ar vcxovrobT, gvinda, qveyana

avaSenoT, giJebisTvis ki

gza xsnilia!

_ CvenSi darCes da, qarTul

politikaSi giJi Zalian bev-

ria...

_ adekvaturoba aravin unda

dakargos. CemTvis mniSvnelovania,

rom iseTi fundameti SevqmnaT,

romelzedac normalur

saxelmwifos avaSenebT da mgonia,

rom axla, Cveni dasavleli

partniorebis mxardaWeriT,

amis SesaZleblobebis fanjara

gvaqvs!

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òpozicia saakaSvilis

„qarTulma ocnebam” didi xnis

Sorena marsagiSvili

win auria, magram arc opozicia-

599 92 16 22

Sia yvelaferi dalagebuli. miuxe-

davad imisa, rom opozicia kvlav

boikots ucxadebs parlaments, maT Soris sul ufro bevr sak-

iTxze Cndeba azrTa sxvadasxvaoba. es gansxvavebuli mosazrebe-

bi ar aSinebs „strategia aRmaSenebels”. partiis generalur

mdivan paata manjgalaZisTvis mniSvnelovania, rom opozicionerebma

erTmaneTs talaxi ar esrolon. Seqmnil viTarebaSi man-

jgalaZe plebiscitis Catarebas miesalmeba _ im plebiscitis,

romelic opoziciaSi morigi dapirispirebis mizezi gaxda.

599 92 16 22 paata manjgalaZe:

ra gza unda airCios opoziciam?

ratom aris misaRebi pleb-

isciti? ra SemTxvevaSi aqvs

azri mis Catarebas? ratom ar

sWirdeba qarTul politikas

mesia? _ amis Sesaxeb paata manj-

galaZe „qronika+”-s esaubreba:

_ plebiscitis Temam opoziciaSi

morigi vnebaTaRelva gamoiwvia.

ras fiqrobs amis Sesax-

eb „strategia aRmaSenebeli”?

_ Cven varT Tanmimdevrulebi.

migvaCnia, rom riggareSe arCevnebi

unda Catardes. Tu pirdapir

riggareSe arCevnebis daniSvna

SeuZlebelia, maSin arCevnebamde

unda Catardes plebisciti. ramdenadac

maxsovs, plebiscitis

Sesaxeb „nacionaluri moZraobis”

politaqtivmac miiRo gadawyvetileba

da amas daeTanxmnen.

am Temaze elCebis Tandaswrebi-

Tac visaubreT. ase rom, cota

gaugebaria, roca axla plebiscitze

uars amboben. CvenTvis gaugebaria

argumentebic, Tu ratom

amboben uars plebiscitis

Catarebaze.

_ ra argumentebzea saubari?

_ ra azri aqvs plebiscitis

Catarebas, Tu ceskos Tavmjdomare

isev Tamar Jvania iqneba?

is plebiscitis Sedegebs aucileblad

gaayalbebs.

_ es araa susti argumenti.

ceskos iseve SeuZlia plebiscitis

gayalbeba, rogorc arCevne-

bi gaayalba.

_ egre arc riggareSe arCevnebis

Catarebas aqvs azri. Tamar

Jvanias riggareSe arCevnebis gayalbebac

SeuZlia. es rom ar moxdes,

arc arCevnebi da arc plebisciti

Tamar Jvaniam ar unda

Caataros. rogorc ki plebisciti

dainiSneba, ceskoSi fundamenturi

cvlilebebi unda gatardes.

aseve unda ganxorcieldes

seriozuli saarCevno reforma.

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, arc ar-

Cevnebis Catarebas aqvs azri, arc

_ referendumisas da arc _

plebiscitisas.

„strategia aRmaSenebeli” miiCnevs,

rom sazogadoebas Tavze

ar unda movaxvioT Cveni simar-

Tle, iseve rogorc „qocuri” simarTlis

Tavze moxveva ar Sei-

Zleba. gatardes saarCevno reforma

da dae, xalxma gadawyvitos,

ra aris namdvili simarTle.

am situaciaSi es gaxlavT sauke-

Teso gamosavali. sxva gza ar arsebobs.

Cven Tu axla es istoriuli

Sansi ar gamoviyeneT da am krizisidan

ar gamovediT, dagve-

marTeba is, rac gasuli saukunis

90-ian wlebSi moxda: erTmaneTs

SevaskdiT meorexarisxovan sakiTxebze,

ver gamoviyeneT istoriuli

SesaZlebloba. es Sansi

kargad gamoiyenes baltiis qveynebma

_ lietuva, latvia da estoneTi

gamovidnen sabWoTa kav-

Siris sazRvrebidan. saqarTvelo,

samwuxarod, isev am imperiis gavlenis

qveS darCa.

zustad igive tipis politikuri

da teqtonikuri Zvrebia

axla Cvens regionSi. aqedan gamomdinare,

rac male gamovalT am

krizisidan, ukeTesi iqneba Cveni

qveynisTvis.

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom pleb-

isciti am krizisidan gamoiyvans

qveyanas? iqneb, uaresad daiZa-

bos situacia?

_ Cven ar vamtkicebT, rom

plebisciti erTaderTi gamosavalia.

plebiscits ganvixilavT

erT-erT saSualebad, romliTac

mivaRwevT riggareSe arCevnebs.

plebisciti kidev sxva SesaZleblobas

gvaZlevs: aq opoziciuri

partiebi erTmaneTs ar daupirispirdebian,

rogorc es arCevnebze

moxda. SeTanxmebuli viyaviT,

rom opozicias saerTo maJoritarobis

kandidatebi eyoleboda.

am erTobis magaliTi kargad

vnaxeT isanSi, sadac giorgi

vaSaZes yvela partiam kandidati

dauyena.

plebiscits nomeri ar aqvs. es

gvaZlevs Sanss, rom mTeli opoziciuri

speqtri gaverTiandeT

da, faqtobrivad, referendumi

movuwyoT xelisuflebas. plebiscitiT

davumtkicebT „qarTul

ocnebas”, rom Cven ufro bevri

amomrCeveli gvyavs. davamtkicebT

imasac, rom vimsaxurebT

warmovadgendeT umravlesobis

interesebs qveyanaSi.

_ es maSin moxdeba, Tu pleb-

iscitamde miva saqme. opozici-

is nawili winaaRmdegia plebi-

scitis Catarebis.

_ unda davarwmunoT, rom

plebiscitis Catareba saWiroa.

mis Catarebas mxolod maSin eqneba

azri, Tu saarCevno reforma

gatardeba. saarCevno reformis

gareSe plebiscitis Catarebis

sakiTxs arc ki ganvixilavT. is

argumentebi, rasac Cveni oponentebi

iyeneben plebiscitis sawinaaRmdegod,

Tavisuflad Segvi-

Zlia gamoviyenoT riggareSe

arCevnebis winaaRmdeg. saqarTvelo

bananis respublika araa, rom

arCevnebze uari vTqvaT. rodesac

plebiscitze vsaubrobT, iq

`qarTul

politikaSi

mesianizmi unda

damTavrdes~

avtomaturad igulisxmeba saar-

Cevno reforma da isic, rom mas

ar atarebs Tamar Jvania.

_ xelisufleba dasTanxmdeba

saarCevno reformas?

_ xelisuflebas urCevnia,

rom arc vadamdeli arCevnebi

Catardes da arc _ plebisciti.

magaTi neba rom iyos, aw da maradis

ukuniTi ukunisamde iqnebodnen

xelisuflebaSi. Cven ase-

Ti saxelmwifos aSeneba ar gvinda.

Cven gvinda iseTi qveyana, sadac

xelisuflebam icis, rom

xval an zeg opoziciaSi gadava.

opozicias ki gaazrebuli aqvs

pasuxismgebloba, rom xval Sei-

Zleba, xelisufleba iyos. es mas

daafiqrebs. iseT raRacas ar gaakeTeben

dRes, romelic xval Sei-

Zleba win daxvdeT, rogorc antisaxelmwifoebrivi

qmedeba.

Cven, „strategia aRmaSenebeli”,

Zalian vfrTxilobT xolme,

rodesac raRac gancxadebebs vakeTebT.

migvaCnia, rom axla um-

Tavresi amocana am krizisidan

gamosvlaa. axla Tu ar gamovediT

krizisidan da ar gamoviyeneT

Sansi, Zalian didi xniT mogviwevs

ukan daxeva. imedi maqvs, fizikur

dapirispirebamde ar mivalT.

_ imedia, es ar moxdeba. seriozuli

dapirispirebis miuxedavad,

saqme jer Sexla-Semox-

lamde ar misula.

_ vfiqrob, rom aqamde mar-

Tlac ar mivalT. am imeds „qar-

Tuli ocnebis” goniereba sulac

ar maZlevs. amis imeds maZlevs

dasavleTis CarTulobis xarisxi.

„qarTul ocnebaSi” SiSoben, rom

maT SesaZloa, sanqciebi dauweson.

amis SiSiT xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi pragmatul da

logikur nabijebs gadadgamen.

Tavisi keTili nebiT ase aravi-

Tar SemTxvevaSi ar moiqcevian.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom

`saqarTvelo bananis respublika araa, rom

arCevnebze uari vTqvaT. rodesac plebiscitze

vsaubrobT, iq avtomaturad igulisxmeba

saarCevno reforma da isic, rom mas ar

atarebs Tamar Jvania~

eSiniaT dasavleTis?

_ maT im sanqciebis eSiniaT,

romelic maT SeiZleba dasavleTma

dauwesos.

_ premier RaribaSvilis xist

ritorikas Tu SevxedavT, didi

SiSi ar unda hqondeT.

_ ase ar vityodi. saqarTvelo

ruseTi rom yofiliyo, maSin

marTla ar SeeSindebodaT. ruseTs

marTla SeuZlia, dasavleTisgan

damoukidebeli politika

awarmoos. misi energoresursebi,

navTobi, gazi amis SesaZleblobas

aZlevs. Cveni ekonomikis 70%

damokidebulia dasavleTidan

Semosul investiciebze, Sesabamisad,

veranairad davupirispirdebiT

aSS-sa da evropas.

_ Tu mainc davupirispird-

iT?

_ maSin radikalurad unda

SevcvaloT qveynis sagareo kursi,

avirCioT belarusisa da TurqmeneTis

gza, rasac saqarTvelos

mosaxleoba ar Seegueba. Tu

ase dadga sakiTxi, maSin aq seriozuli

procesebi daiwyeba. fizikuradac

ki unda gavuwioT amas

winaaRmdegoba. brZolis avangardSi

Cven aucileblad viqnebiT.

_ arada, „strategia aRmaSenebeli”

yovelTvis brZolis mSvi-

dobian meTodebze RaRadebda.

_ Cven dialogis momxre varT,

magram Tu davinaxeT, rom saqar-

Tvelo TurqmeneTis an belarusis

gzas daadga, maSin fizikuradac

SevecdebiT, rom aseTi xelisufali

CamovaSoroT qveynis

marTvis sadaveebs.

_ axla ar vadgavarT viTom

TurqmeneTisa da belarusis

gzas? erTpartiuli parlamenti

ukve gvyavs da bevri ar gviklia.

_ erTpartiuli parlamenti

imitom gvyavs, rom samarTliani

arCevnebi gvinda. opozicia parlamentSi

amis gamo ar Sedis da

amisTvis vixdiT fass, romelsac

erTpartiuli parlamenti hqvia.

evropis umaRlesi Tanamdebobis

piri iyo Camosuli saqarTvelo-

Si. miSeli 27 qveyanas warmoadgens.

es kaci pirdapir gveubneba,

_ me fasilitatori ki aRar var,

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Wkuaze ar unda dadiodes~

aramed ukve gavxdi mediatorio.

orive mxarem unda davTmoT raRacebi,

raTa qveyana am mZime krizisidan

gamoviyvanoT.

_ daTmobaSi opoziciis par-

lamentSi Sesvla igulisxmeba?

_ dRevandel situaciaSi parlamentSi

Sesvla an arSesvla

arafers niSnavs. Cven mTavaria,

vipovoT gzebi, romliTac SeTanxmebas

SevZlebT. sxvanairad

qveyana SeiZleba, seriozuli dapirispirebis

winaSe davayenoT.

xelisuflebis dayolieba ioli

iqneboda, quCaSi 50 da 100 aTasi

adamiani rom gamodiodes an imdeni

adamiani mainc gamoviyvanoT,

„vardebis revoluciis”

dros rom gamovida. aseve Sei-

Zleboda imis gakeTebac, rac

faSinianma SeZlo somxeTSi. sam

TveSi aiyolia mTeli qveyana. Tu

amas SevZlebT, maSin xelisufleba

iolad wamova daTmobaze. mee-

Wveba, rom axla saqarTveloSi

amdeni xalxi gamovides quCaSi.

_ ratom geeWvebaT?

_ Cveni mosaxleoba, ZiriTadad,

imaze fiqrobs, Tu rogor

iSovos lukma-puri. am dros maT-

Tvis sulerTia, ra sistemiT

Catardeba arCevnebi. arc is ainteresebs,

iqneba Tu ara plebisciti.

Sesabamisad, arCevnebTan

dakavSirebuli moTxovnebiT qu-

CaSi aravin gamova.

_ 2003 welsac lukma-puris

Sovnaze iyo gadasuli mosaxle-

obis didi nawili, magram maSin

gamovida xalxi gareT.

_ maSin gamovida, axlac Sei-

Zleba gamovides, Tumca gami-

Wirdeba amis dajereba. simarTle

Tu gindaT, mirCevnia, xelisuflebebi

arCevnebis gziT icvlebodes,

vidre _ revoluciiT.

_ revoluciur gzas rom

arCevnebi sjobs, amaze arc

aravin daobs.

_ amitom unda vecadoT, rom

arCevnebiT SevcvaloT xelisuflebebi.

_ zemoT Tqven parlamentSi

Sesvla-arSesvlis sakiTxi ax-

seneT. „strategia aRmaSenebeli”

parlamentSi ar Sevida, magram

mainc aris mosazreba, rom sa-

kanonmdeblo organoSi apirebT

Sesvlas.

_ Cven mimarT aseTi damokidebuleba

usamarTlobaa. Tavidanac

usamarTlod moiqcnen, roca

amtkicebdnen, rom Cven SevidodiT

parlamentSi. isic usamarTlobaa,

roca viRaca ise

gangixilavs, rogorc „nacionalur

moZraobasTan” mikedlebuls.

usamarTlobad mimaCnia

isic, roca opoziciisgan odnav

gansxvavebuli pozicia gaqvs da

amis gamo „qocobas” gabraleben.

mgoni, droa, rom qveyanaSi politikuri

kultura ganvaviTaroT.

_ politikuri kulturis

ganviTarebaSi ras gulisxmobT?

_ gansxvavebuli pozicia miuRebeli

ar unda iyos. gansxvavebuli

poziciis gamo oponentebs

ar unda mivaweboT kliSeebi. aravin

aravisze naklebi patrioti

`xelisuflebas urCevnia, rom arc vadamdeli arCevnebi Catardes da arc -

plebisciti. magaTi neba rom iyos, aw da maradis ukuniTi ukunisamde iqnebodnen

xelisuflebaSi. Cven aseTi saxelmwifos aSeneba ar gvinda. Cven gvinda iseTi

qveyana, sadac xelisuflebam icis, rom xval an zeg opoziciaSi gadava~

ar aris da arc sxvaze naklebad

awuxebs is, rac dRes qveyanaSi

xdeba. CemTvis aseve miuRebelia

mesianizmi. ar SeiZleba, rom mxolod

erTi adamiani ambobdes

WeSmaritebas da yvela im gzas

daadges, rac mas miaCnia sworad.

_ aseT mesianizms xelisu-

flebis frontze gmobT Tu _

opoziciis?

_ mniSvneloba ar aqvs, sad iqneba.

ar SeiZleba, mxolod erTi

adamianis azri iyos swori. amis

winaaRmdeg yovelTvis waval.

_ opoziciaSi aris dRes imis

mcdeloba, rom erTi adamianis

azri moaxvion Tavs?

_ samwuxarod, aris amis mcdeloba.

erTxel da samudamod

unda davasruloT mesianizmi.

saswrafod dasawyebia sistemuri

ganaxleba. qveyanaSi unda Seiqmnas

funqciuri demokratia. Cveni

qveynis momavali da ganvi-

Tareba erT kacze ar unda iyos

damokidebuli. es unda gansazRvros

sistemam da xalxma.

_ Tqven ki xarT winaaRmdegi

mesianizmis, magram opoziciur

erTobaSi arian iseTebi, romlebic

erT konkretul politi-

koss miiCneven mesiad.

_ arian aseTebi, maTTvis mTavaria,

is konkretuli adamiani

ras ityvis. Cven vambobT, rom mesianizmi

unda damTavrdes. mesiebi

saWiro araa. mniSvneloba ar

aqvs, vin aris is.

_ am SemTxvevaSi xom mixeil

saakaSvilze saubrobT?

_ mixeil saakaSvilze vsaubrob

da vityvi, Tu ratom ar unda

iaros mTelma opoziciam mis azrze:

mixeil saakaSvils nebismier

sakiTxze SeuZlia Tavisi poziciis

dafiqsireba. is qveyanaSi

aris faqtori, rogorc pozitiuri,

aseve _ negatiuri. mas Seu-

`biZina ivaniSvilma am qveyanas bevri cudi

rame moutana. didi tragediaa, roca qveyanaSi

damkvidrda nihilizmi. Cvens mosaxleobas

momavalis imedi aRar aqvs. xalxi masobrivad

garbis qveynidan. am viTarebaSi `qarTul

ocnebas~ iseTi strategiuli xazi aqvs

arCeuli, amboben, rom awmyo cudia, magram

momavali kidev ufro mZime iqnebao. es ukve

gausaZliss xdis Cvens yofas~

Zlia „nacionaluri moZrobis”

momxreebis mobilizeba, magram,

amave dros, „qarTul ocnebas”

exmareba, rom maT mis winaaRmdeg

moaxerxon eleqtoratis mobilizeba.

SeiZleba Tu ara mixeil

saakaSvilis gakritikeba? ra Tqma

unda SeiZleba. vinc amas ar iRebs

da amis sawinaaRmdego argumentebiT

gamodis, maTTan politikur

debatebs ar vapireb.

_ „strategia aRmaSenebeli”

opoziciuri frontis warmomad-

genlebTan debatebs gaurbixarT.

arCevnebis win daiwyeT imaze

saubari, rom rac ar unda gv-

lanZRon opozicionerebma, Cven

amas lanZRviT ar vupasuxebT. ax-

lac amave poziciaze dgaxarT?

_ ra Tqma unda. es „strategia

aRmaSeneblis” strategiidan gamomdinareobs.

Cven erTgulebi

varT Cveni ideebis. migvaCnia. rom

energia, rasac erTmaneTTan dapirispirebaSi

vxarjavT, mimarTuli

unda iyos erTianobisa

da aRmSeneblobisken. aqedan gamomdinare,

ar gvinda opoziciasTan

dapirispireba. garwmunebT,

Zalian kargad viciT, Tu ra unda

vuTxraT opozicias da ra _ xelisuflebas,

magram ar vakeTebT.

ar vakeTebT erTi martivi mizezis

gamo _ yvelas rom mivaxaloT

simarTle, maSin aravin dar-

Ceba iseTi, visac SeiZleba xeli

CamovarTvaT. amitom ar gvinda

opoziciasTan dapirispireba da

maTgan wamosul lanZRvas ar vpasuxobT.

_ oponents raRacas Tu

etyvi, xeli ratom veRar unda

CamoarTva? mTeli politikuri

speqtri erTmaneTis lanZRvazea

gadasuli, magram mSvenivrad

arTmeven xels.

_ eg maTi arCevania, me sxvanairad

vuyureb am sakiTxs. Cemze

rom iyos damokidebuli da ase-

Ti mZime viTareba ar hqondes

qveyanas, opoziciaSi myofi pirebis

90%-s xels ar CamovarTmevdi.

_ am gancxadebiT, faqtobri-

vad, gamolanZReT opoziciis

didi nawili.

_ ar gamilanZRavs, vTqvi, rom

xels ar CamovarTmevdi.

_ ratom ar CamoarTmevdiT?

_ es adamianebi xelisufleba-

Si yofnis dros sxvas laparakobdnen,

iqidan wamosvlis Semdeg

ki sul sxvanairad daiwyes

saubari. es pativiscemas ar imsaxurebs.

_ amis miuxedavad, xom axerx-

ebT maTTan dialogs?

_ imitom, rom axla qveyanas

ase sWirdeba. „strategia aRmaSeneblis”

strategiidan gamomdinare,

pirovnul da partiul

dapirispirebaze uars vambobT

da amitom vsxedvarT molaparakebebis

magidasTan. es imas sulac

ar niSnavs, rom yvela erTmaneTSi

unda avirioT; rom simarTlesa

da tyuils Soris zRvari

waiSala. aseTi zRvari bunebrivia,

ar waSlila da verc waiSleba.

ubralod, axla erovnuli

Tanxmoba gvWirdeba. is energia,

rac erTmaneTTan dapirispireba-

Si unda davxarjoT, jobia, qveynis

aRmSeneblobas movaxmaroT.

es aris Cveni xazi da am xazs

bolomde davicavT.

biZina ivaniSvilma am qveyanas

bevri cudi rame moutana. didi

tragediaa, roca qveyanaSi damkvidrda

nihilizmi. Cvens mosaxleobas

momavalis imedi aRar aqvs.

xalxi masobrivad garbis qveynidan.

am viTarebaSi „qarTul ocnebas”

iseTi strategiuli xazi

aqvs arCeuli, amboben, rom awmyo

cudia, magram momavali kidev

ufro mZime iqnebao. es ukve gausaZliss

xdis Cvens yofas.

Cveni yofa rom gausaZlisi

gaxda, amaSi biZina ivaniSvils miuZRvis

lomis wili, magram isic

unda vicodeT, rom problema

mxolod pirovnebebSi ar aris da

is bevrad ufro Rrmaa. es imis

bralia, rom maRali politikuri

kultura da saxelmwifoebrivi

azrovneba ver davamkvidreT.

_ saxelmwifoebrivi azrovneba

rom ver damkvidrda, es biZi-

na ivaniSvilis brali namdvilad

ver iqneba.

_ mas amas ver davabralebT. es

yvela Cvenganis bralia. saxelmwifoebrivad

rom vazrovnebdeT,

ukeTesi mdgomareoba iqneboda

qveyanaSi.

_ saxelmwifoebrivad rom

vazrovnebdeT, ase iolad ar

SeveguebodiT, rom am pandemiis

Jams xelisuflebas erTi doza

vaqcinac ki ar aqvs Semotanili.

_ vaqcinis Semotanas Tavi davaneboT,

Cveni mosaxleobis naxevarze

meti acxadebs, rom ar aicreba.

roca mosaxleobis naxevarze

meti ase azrovnebs, iq razea

laparaki?! yvelafris miuxedavad,

momavals mainc imedianad

vuyureb. Cven gamousworebeli

optimistebi varT. Cveni optimizmi

realizmidan momdinareobs.

es realizmi maiZulebs vifiqro,

rom xelisufleba molaparakebebze

wava. mas sxva arCevani ar gaa-

Cnia. igive SemiZlia vTqva opoziciazec.

molaparakebebs isaic

unda dasTanxmdes.

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statistikis erovnuli samsax-

nene injgia

uris mier damuSavebuli monace-

lado 591 71 39 98 mebiT, saqarTvelos ekonomika

2021 wlis ianvarSi, wina wlis Se-

sabamiss periodTan SedarebiT, 11,5%-iT Semcirda.

aseve 2021 wlis ianvarSi, axlad registrirebul sawarmoTa

raodenobam 2835 Seadgina, rac 23,3%-iT naklebia wina wlis

analogiuri periodis maCvenebelze.

garda amisa, sursaTis fasebi izrdeba: bolo periodSi zeTi

da karaqi 34%-iT gaZvirda, Saqari _ 14 %-iT.

am mocemulobaSi, roca ekonomikuri krizisia, rogor Sei-

Zleba sursaTze fasebis SenarCuneba, ramdenad qmediTia

mTavroba?

aRniSnuli Temebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+~ ekonomikur mec-

nierebaTa doqtor, profesor

lado papavas esaubra:

_ statistikis erovnuli sam-

saxuris informaciiT, 2021 wlis

ianvarSi, wina wlis Sesabamiss

periodTan SedarebiT, saqarTvelos

ekonomika 11,5%-iT Sem-

cirda. raze metyvelebs es ma-

Cvenebeli da aqedan gamomdinare,

ra mocemulobis winaSe vd-

gavarT dRes?

_ am maCvenebels gansakuTrebul

mniSvnelobas ar mivaniWebdi.

11%-ze meti Semcireba 2021

wlis ianvarSi dafiqsirebulia

2020 wlis ianvarTan mimarTebiT.

2020 wlis ianvarSi ki arc pandemia

iyo msoflioSi da epidemiac

saqarTveloSi ar iyo dawyebuli.

ekonomika Cveulebriv re-

JimSi funqcionirebda. saqarTveloSi

SezRudvebi 2020 wlis

Tebervlidan daiwyo, xolo pandemia

martidan gamocxadda, amitom

ianvari Cveulebrivad aqtiuri

da tradiciuli Tve iyo,

saaxalwlo-saSobao dasvenebebiT.

Sesabamisad, 2021 wlis ianvarTan

SedarebiT 11%-ian SemcirebaSi

gansakuTrebuli araferia.

am 11%-iani Semcirebis miRma

dgas 2020 wlis martidan dawyebuli

seriozuli SezRudvebi,

romelic mxolod zafxulSi Semsubuqda

nawilobriv, aseve Semodgomaze

winasaarCevno periodis

gamoc iyo Semsubuqebuli da

Semdeg isev amoqmedda. Sesabamisad,

es ar aris sagangaSo maCvenebeli,

radgan amas vadarebT im

dros, roca yvelaferi normalur

reJimSi iyo. roca ekonomika

10 Tvis ganmavlobaSi, daxuruli

an TiTqmis daxuruli iyo, aseTi

Semcireba, ra Tqma unda, mosalodneli

gaxldaT. aseTi Semcireba

rom ar yofiliyo, es

ufro gasakviri iqneboda. 2020

wlis wliurma vardnam 6%-ze

meti Seadgina, anu 2020 wlis ganmavlobaSi

mxolod ori Tve iyo

ekonomikaSi Cveulebrivi reJimi,

10 Tvis ganmavlobaSi ki SezRudvebi

moqmedebda. kovidiani 2021

wlis ianvris Sedareba normalur

2020 wlis ianvarTan, rom 11%-ian

Semcirebas iZleva, es bunebrivia

da asaxavs imas, rac dakavSirebulia

pandemiasTan, pandemiiT

gamowveul krizisTan da rac

aris ara mxolod saqarTveloSi,

aramed mTel msoflioSi.

_ mTavrobas ufro qmediTi

nabijebi rom gadaedga da zed-

meti SezRudva ar daewesebina,

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`gamosavali ara subsidireba,

ekonomikis 11%-iani Semcirebis

maCvenebeli gacilebiT naklebi

iqneboda?

_ dRes ama Tu im ekonomikuri

nabijis qmediTunarianobis kriteriumi

ar arsebobs, radgan es

ekonomikuri krizisi pandemiam

gamoiwvia da koronavirusis buneba

dRemde aravin icis. sanam am

intervius Caweras daviwyebdiT,

movusmine CemTvis gansakuTrebiT

pativsacem profesionals,

profesor Tengiz cercvaZes,

romelmac Tqva, rom saqarTveloSi

iwyeba kvleva kovidgadatanili

pacientebis dRevandeli

janmrTelobis mdgomareobis

Sesaxeb. Tanac es mxolod saqar-

TveloSi ki ar iwyeba, aramed

saqarTvelo monawileobs msoflio

jandacvis organizaciis

erTian sqemaSi. es imas niSnavs,

rom TviTon eqimebma ar ician,

koronavirusis buneba da ra Sedegebs

tovebs is. amitom medicinis

TvalsazrisiT bevri pasuxgaucemeli

kiTxvaa. Tu medicinis

kuTxiT aseTi kiTxvebia da erTaderTi

meqanizmi ekonomikis Caketvaa,

ufro qmediTis kriteriumi

ra aris, aravin icis. rac Seexeba

SezRudvebs, sastiki winaaRdmdegi

var SezRudvebis adre

moxsnis! Cven gvaviwydeba, rom

sapirwoned adamianis sicocxle

da janmrTelobaa. rogorc ki

daelaparakebiT im adamianebs,

romelTac janmrTelobis seriozuli

problemebi SeeqmnaT da

gansakuTrebiT imaT, romlebic

Wirisuflebi arian da Zalian

mZime mdgomareobaSi imyofebian,

aRmoaCenT, rom maTi TvaliT

danaxuli realoba gacilebiT

mZimea. rac Seexeba saqarTvelos

mTavrobas, man turistuli sezoni

zafxulSi gaxsna, rac Zalian

Zviri daujda qveyanas. qobuleTma

da gansakuTrebiT baTumma didi

ziani mogvayena. ra Tqma unda,

im etapze, saparlamento arCevnebi,rom

ar yofiliyo, yvelaze

swori aWaris daxurva iqneboda,

rogorc manamde, magaliTad, marneulis

raioni daxures. Tumca

mTavrobas es nabiji, rom gadaedga,

winaaRmdegobaSi modioda

politikur procesTan, anu SeizRudeboda

arCevnebi. im period-

Si ramdenime opoziciuri partiis

lideri arCevnebis gadadebis

iniciativiTac ki gamovida. mTavrobas

arCevnebi, rom gadaedo,

sxva eqstremistuli xasiaTis opozicia

ityoda, rom kovids mTavroba

diqtaturisTvis iyenebso.

amitom mTavrobam gadawyvita, ar

papava:

`sastiki

winaaRdmdegi var

SezRudvebis adre

moxsnis! gvaviwydeba,

rom sapirwoned

adamianis sicocxle

da janmrTelobaa~

gamoeyenebina mkacri SezRudvebi

da konstituciur farglebSi

Caetarebina arCevnebi. metic:

saerTaSoriso organizaciebma es

erT-erT plusadac ki CauTvales

saqarTvelos, rom pandemiis miuxedavad,

mainc Catarda arCevnebi

da aqtiurobac sakmaod maRali

iyo.

Tavidanve, roca koronavirusi

gamoCnda, msoflios orma

qveyanam miiRo gadawyvetileba,

rom ekonomika ar daexuraT, es

iyo: SvedeTi da belarusi, igive

models emxroboda didi britaneTi,

romelic fiqrobda, rom

unda Camoyalibebuliyo joguri

imuniteti, magram rogorc ki

boris jonsons Tavad daemarTa

virusi, maSive Secvala es midgoma.

amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis

imJamindeli prezidenti donald

trampi ki „qanqarasaviT”

cvlida sakuTar gadawyvetilebebs:

xan amkacrebda, xan arbilebda

SezRudvebs. amitom vambob,

rom swori moqmedebis kriteriumi

ar arsebobs. dRes msoflio

dgas ara ekonomikurad, aramed

samedicino TvalsazrisiT ucnobi

movlenis winaSe. es krizisi ki

aisaxeba ekonomikaze. araferia

dangreuli, ubralod, daixura.

_ Tumca roca biznesi daxu-

rulia da obieqtebi ar muSaobs,

es daxurva ekonomikis dangrev-

asTan asocirdeba...

_ rom muSaobda, im SemTxveva-

Si saqarTveloSi inficirebis

maCvenebeli dReSi 5000-ze maRali

iyo. inficirebulebs sastumroebic

ki ar hyofnidaT, saavadmyofoebze

aRarafers vambob.

SezRudvebi rom ar amoqmedebuliyo,

kidev ufro did krizisamde

mividodiT, gamomuSavebuli

fuli isev medicinaSi wavidoda.

dRes yvela mTavrobas prioritetuli

xarjebis sferod medicina

aqvs. rodesac es pandemia

dasruldeba da globalurad

Sedegebi Sejamdeba, mere gamoikveTeba,

romeli qveynis mTavrobam

imoqmeda met-naklebad sworad.

_ eqspertebis nawili fiqr-

obs, rom saqarTvelos Sveduri

modeli unda aerCia. ra mocemuloba

gveqneboda aseT SemTx-

vevaSi da ratom ar iqneboda

efeqtiani es modeli Cveni qvey-

nis magaliTze?

_ SvedeTi SevadaroT skandinaviis

qveynebs, igive norvegiasa

da danias, romlebmac mkacri

zomebi miiRes, SvedeTma ar miiRo.

SvedeTSi inficirebis gacilebiT

maRali maCvenebelia da

ùnda iTqvas, rom biznesi, praqtikulad,

ganTavisuflda da erTaderTi, met-naklebad,

mkacri SezRudva darCa komendantis saaTi.

Cemi azriT, SesaZlebelia, komendantis saaTi

21:00-dan 22:00-mde gadaiwios, erTbaSad moxsnis

sastiki winaaRmdegi var~

sikvdilianobac metia, aseTia

oficialuri statistika. nu

dagvaviwydeba, rom mTavrobis

mowodebebze Svedebisa da samxreTelebis

qceva gansxvavebulia.

Svedebi ufro iTvaliswineben

rekomendaciebs. saqarTvelos

magaliTze ki sakmarisia gaviaroT

Tbilisis quCebSi da vnaxavT,

rom adamianebis nawils pirbade

ar ukeTia, zogs nikapze aqvs Camoweuli

an mklavze ukeTia. gavixsenoT

yoveldRiuri informacia

wina dRiT dajarimebuli adamianebis

Sesaxeb, romlebic quCaSi

pirbades ar atarebdnen. miuxedavad

am SezRudvebisa, adekvaturi

qceva mainc ar aris. sxva Tanabar

pirobebSi ki CrdiloeT erebs

ufro meti TavSekavebuloba axasiaTebT.

es ar niSnavs imas, rom

isini ukeTesebi arian da Cven

uaresebi, ubralod, maT aseTi

xasiaTi aqvT. miuxedavad amisa,

SvedeTSi sikvdilianobis kuTxiT

Zalian mZime maCvenebelia, bevrad

uaresi iqneboda es qarTul

realobaSi, Tuki Svedur models

gamoviyenebdiT.

_ saqarTveloSi vaqcinacia

dawyebuli rom iyos, es Secvlis

Tu ara arsebiTad ekonomikur

viTarebas? Tundac im nawilSi,

rom SezRudvebi moixsneba srulad,

maT Soris, bizness amo-

sunTqvis saSualeba miecema.

_ es vaqcinebi ra saboloo

Sedegis momtania icis vinmem?!

mxolod vaqcinebiT rom ar dasruldeba

pandemia, es naTelia,

saWiroa mkurnalobis preparati.

mudmivad saubroben vaqcinebze,

Tumca saerTod ar akeTeben aqcents

prepartze. vaqcina romc

iyos, yvela ar gaikeTebs. me piradad,

garkveuli vaqcinebs eWvis

TvaliT vuyureb, garkveuls

_ ufro sandod. vaqcinebi, romlebic

saqarTveloSi unda Semovides,

yvelas mimarT eWviT var

ganwyobili. is vaqcinebi, romelic

ar Semodis, maT mimarT, am

etapze, meti ndoba maqvs. bevri

kiTxva maqvs Pfizer/Biontech-isa da

Moderna-s vaqcinasTan dakavSirebiT,

romelzedac pasuxebi eqimebsac

ar gaaCniaT. me gavecani

informacias da yvelaze sando

CemTvis Cinuri vaqcinaa, magram

CvenTan aseTi damokidebulebaa,

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aramed adgilobrivi warmoebaa~

_ rac dasavluria, yvelaferi

kargia. erTxel axsena b-nma Tengiz

cercvaZem Cinuri vaqcina

kargiao da lamis qveynis moRalated

Seracxes. me SeiZleba,

Sevicvalo Cemi damokidebuleba

sxva vaqcinebTan dakavSirebiT,

Tu ufro meti informacia meqneba.

Cemi gadasawyveti rom iyos,

Pfizer/Biontech-isa da Moderna-s vaqcinas

ar Semovitandi, radgan

yvelaze met kiTxvas aCens da

principulad axali sqemaa acris

meqanizmi, romelzedac TviTon

eqimebi ver amboben, momavalSi ra

tipis ukuCveneba eqneba. rac Seexeba

Astrazeneca-s vaqcinas, is

ufro sandoa, magram Tu indoeTSi

iqneba warmoebuli, aseT

SemTxvevaSi SesaZlebelia, vendoT?!

Cven viciT, rom induri

medikamentebi xSirad saerTa-

Soriso standartebs ver akmayofilebs.

pasuxgaucemeli kiTxvebi

medicinaSia da sanam medicina

pasuxebs ar gascems, ekonomistebi

medicinis mZevlebi varT.

TurqeTma da azerbaijanma

Semoitanes Cinuri vaqcina, Cvenc

SegveZlo, Semogvetana, magram

Cven im principiT vixelmZRvaneleT,

rom es vaqcina jer unda

aRiaros msoflio jandacvis

organizaciam. es principi daz-

Rvevis TvalsazrisiT sworia,

magram mainc SegveZlo vaqcinis

Semotana, rogorc es araerTma

sxva qveyanam gaakeTa...

rac Seexeba imas, arsebiTad

Secvlis Tu ara vaqcinacia ekonomikur

viTarebas, gipasuxebT,

rom am etapze arsebiTad ver

Secvlis. vaqcina keTdeba orjer,

intervali pirvelsa da meore

dozas Soris 3 kviraa. sul cota,

mosaxleobis 60% unda aicras,

anu saubaria saqarTvelos 2 milion

100 aTas moqalaqeze, rac

niSnavs 4 milion 200 aTas dozas.

am raodenobis vaqcinis Semotanis

resursi qveyanas ar gaaCnia.

amitom realuri Sedegi gveqneba

maSin, roca saqarTveloSi acrilTa

ricxvi 2 milions miuaxlovdeba.

aseve bevrma qveyanam gamoiyena

rusuli vaqcina, romelic

CvenTvis kidev ufro met eWvs

aCens, miT umetes, ar aris registrirebuli,

Tumca arc Cinuria

jerjerobiT msoflio jandacvis

organizaciis mier registrirebuli.

CemTvis argumentebis

TvalsazrisiT, rogorc giTxariT,

met ndobas iwvevs Cinuri vaqcina,

Tumca mec velodebi,

msoflio jandacvis organizacia

rodis daaregistrirebs mas. es

organizacia ki pandemiis pirobebSi

bevr sakiTxSi rom uunaro

aRmoCnda, yvelam naTlad vnaxeT.

vinc ar unda iyos saqarTveloSi

jandacvis ministri, man oficialuri

arxebiT unda imuSaos.

mTavaria, ra resursi aqvs da

rogor miiRebs eqstraordinalur

gadawyvetilebas, magali-

Tad, miuxedavad imisa, rom msoflio

jandacvis organizacias ar

aqvs daregistrirebuli Cinuri

vaqcina, is mainc Semoitanos.

TurqeTis prezidentma, b-nma

erdoRanma mosaxleobas Tavadac

aCvena, rom gaikeTa. Cemma azerbaijenelma

megobrebma miTxres,

rom Cinur vaqcinas ikeTeben.

unda iTqvas, rom biznesi, praqtikulad,

ganTavisuflda da

erTaderTi, met-naklebad, mkacri

SezRudva darCa komendantis

saaTi. Cemi azriT, SesaZlebelia,

komendantis saaTi 21:00-dan

22:00-mde gadawios, erTbaSad

moxsnis sastiki winaaRmdegi var.

roca sibneleSi xelebis cecebiT

midixar, bunebrivia, ver gaiqcevi,

radgan ar gaqvs informacia,

ra xdeba, aseve ar gvaqvs Cven informacia,

ra xdeba koronavirusTan

dakavSirebiTac, Tundac,

magaliTad, iqneba Tu ara mesame

talRa da Tu iqneba, rodis unda

velodoT...

_ komendantis saaTis gauqme-

N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.

`mxolod vaqcinebiT rom ar dasruldeba pandemia, es naTelia, saWiroa

mkurnalobis preparati. mudmivad saubroben vaqcinebze, Tumca saerTod ar

akeTeben aqcents prepartze. vaqcina romc iyos, yvela ar gaikeTebs. me

piradad, garkveuli vaqcinebs eWvis TvaliT vuyureb, garkveuls - ufro

sandod. vaqcinebi, romlebic saqarTveloSi unda Semovides, yvelas mimarT

eWviT var ganwyobili. is vaqcinebi, romelic ar Semodis, maT mimarT, am

etapze, meti ndoba maqvs. bevri kiTxva maqvs Pfizer/Biontech-isa da Moderna-s

vaqcinasTan dakavSirebiT, romelzedac pasuxebi eqimebsac ar gaaCniaT~

ba biznesisTvis kritikulad

mniSvnelovania, _ dRes maTi

mTavari moTxovna es aris. ra

nawilSi TamaSobs gadamwyvet

rols komendantis saaTis arse-

boba?

_ zustad im nawilSi, rom sxvadasxva

klubisa da restornis

saqmianobisas, komendantis saaTis

moxsniT, kontaqtebis ricxvi gaizrdeba

da naklebad gakontroldeba.

am SemTxvevaSi is mocemulobaa,

rom SesaZlebelia, 1 saa-

TiT gadaiwios komendantis saaTi,

xolo dadebiTi tendenciis Sem-

TxvevaSi SeiZleba kidev ufro gadaiwios.

yvela mTavroba pandemiis

pirobebSi nabij-nabij moqmedebs

da am mimarTulebiTac etapobrivad

unda gadaidgas nabijebi.

praqtikulad, es Semsubuqeba,

rac axla daiwyo Cven qveyanaSi,

etapobrivia. raRac pirveli

`TurqeTma da azerbaijanma Semoitanes Cinuri

vaqcina, Cvenc SegveZlo, Semogvetana, magram

Cven im principiT vixelmZRvaneleT, rom es

vaqcina jer unda aRiaros msoflio jandacvis

organizaciam. es principi dazRvevis

TvalsazrisiT sworia, magram mainc SegveZlo

vaqcinis Semotana, rogorc es araerTma sxva

qveyanam gaakeTa...~

martidan gaixsna, raRac 15-dan

gaixsneba, raRac _ aprilSi. meore

mxriv, SemsubuqebasTan erTad

aris didi safrTxe, rom inficirebulTa

raodenoba gaizrdeba.

Semdeg ki isev saWiro gaxdeba

SezRudvebis amoqmedeba. am realobaSi

Zalian didi mniSvneloba

aqvs optimizmis Camoyalibebas sazogadoebaSi.

eqimebic gveubnebian,

Tu pozitiuri ganwyoba gaqvs,

dainficirebis Sansi naklebiao.

sazogadoebaSi optimizmis Camoyalibeba

ekonomikasac sWirdeba

da, pirvel rigSi, adamianis janmrTelobas.

vaqcinaciis dawyebas erTi

pozitiuri mxare aqvs: manam, sanam

mosaxleobis 60% srulad

aicreba, vaqcinaciis dawyebisas

Cndeba imedi da iqmneba optimizmis

elementebi sazogadoebaSi.

amitom vaqcinaciis dawyeba mniSvnelovania,

magram problemas

ver gadawyvets. am yvelafers

emateba isic, rom aravin icis,

rodis dasruldeba pandemia. Tu

davujerebT saerTaSoriso safinanso

institutebs, saerTaSoriso

savaluto fondsa da msoflio

banks, ekonomikuri zrda unda

gvqondes 2021 wels, magram

Tu pandemia ar dasrulda, ekonomikuri

zrda ar gveqneba. am organizaciebs,

rogorc sCveviaT,

gadaTqvamen prognozs. sanam medicina

pandemias ar daZlevs, ekonomistebis

roli mxolod imaze

fiqria, rom saxelmwifos xelT

arsebuli resursebiT maqsimalurad

daexmaron: 1. jandacvis seqtors;

2. socialurad SeWirvebul

mosaxleobas, romelsac yvelaze

metad daawva krizisi; 3.

bizness. am sam mimarTulebas

iyenebs msoflios yvela mTavroba.

cxadia, qveynebi gansxvavdebian

imis mixedviT, ekonomikurad

ramdenad Zlierebi arian. saqarTvelo

rom, samwuxarod, ekonomikurad

sustad ganviTare-

bul qveyanas warmoadgens, es xom

viciT. socialurad SeWirvebuli

mosaxleobas mTavroba ufinansebs

komunalurebs, es xom sakmaod

mniSvnelovania. rac Seexeba

bizness, premierma ganacxada,

rom 5000-iani da 10000-iani paketi

gamoeyo saSualo da mcire bizness,

xelSewyobis mizniT. Tu

amas biznesis gadmosaxedidan

SevxedavT, ra Tqma unda, cotaa,

mTavrobis TvaliT ki _ bevria,

radgan meti resursi amisTvis,

ubralod, ar gaaCnia.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom mTavr-

oba socialurad SeWirvebulebs

komunalurebs ufinansebs, Tum-

ca ar unda dagvaviwydes, rom

bolo periodSi zeTi da karaqi

34%-iT gaZvirda, Saqari _ 14 %-

iT. sursaTis fasebi mudmivad

izrdeba. ra SeiZleba gakeTdes

am nawilSi, rom fasebi, gazrdis

nacvlad, SenarCundes?

_ Tavidan mTavrobam sursa-

Tis garkveul CamonaTvalze fasebis

subsidireba daiwyo. importiorebs

Tu mwarmoeblebs subsidia

miecaT, rom fasi dabali

yofiliyo, es Zalian cudi gzaa.

es iseTi xvrelia, rom ramdenic

ar unda Cados mTavrobam fuli,

am fasebs mainc ver daiWers, radgan

roca pandemiaa, yvelaze

metad moTxovnadi swored kvebis

produqtebi xdeba, msoflio

bazarze fasebi izrdeba, amitom

gamosavali ara subsidireba,

aramed adgilobrivi warmoebis

xelSewyobaa. Tundac daviwyoT

marcvlovani kulturiT. qveyana-

Si arsebul marcvlovan kulturaze

moTxovnis mxolod 30%-

s vakmayofilebT adgilobrivi

warmoebiT. amis gazrda xom aris

SesaZlebeli? aseT SemTxvevaSi

importi Semcirdeba da misi zegavlena

fasebze naklebi iqneba.

_ ramdenad realisturia pan-

demiur pirobebSi warmoebis

dawyeba?

_ piriqiT, axla SesaZleblobebis

fanjara gaixsna, dRes

moTxovnadia swored biznesis es

saxeobebi. amitom mTavrobam

igive „awarmoe saqarTveloSis”

programidan saerTod unda amoagdos

„daasvene saqarTveloSi”

komponenti. risi warmoebac Sei-

Zleba maqsimalurad, amis keTeba

unda daviwyoT. gaxsovT, wlebis

ganmavlobaSi, ra xmauri iyo „agaris”

Saqris qarxanaze. maincdamainc

pandemia unda dawyebuliyo,

rom mTavrobas qarxnis

amuSavebis gadawyvetileba mie-

Ro? _ es Zalian kargia. swored

pandemiis dros unda gadaidgas

aseTi nabijebi.

_ mTavrobis ekonomikuri

gundi ver acnobierebs, rom pandemiur

mdgomareobaSi subsidirebaze

metad warmoebis daw-

yebaa mniSvnelovani?

_ mTavroba nawilobriv acnobierebs,

amas adasturebs „agaris”

qarxnis amuSaveba. mTavrobidan

imdenad distancirebuli

var, rom mis samzareulos namdvilad

ar vicnob da ar vici, raze

aqvT uSualo saubari.

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Sexvedris dasrulebis

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imis Tqma, ra nabijebi SeiZleba

gadadgas „qarTulma ocnebam”.

opozicia upirobo mzaobas acxadebs

dialogisTvis. es daafiqsira

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Sexvedris dros, ise dResac vacxadebT

am mzaobas yvelani da velodebiT

xelisuflebisgan analogiuri

nabijis gadadgmas. Tqven

iciT, rom ori kviris Tavze

saqarTvelos premier-ministri

unda Cavides briuselSi. garda

imisa, rom saqarTvelos asocirebis

xelSekrulebasTan dakavSirebiT

mTeli rigi sakiTxebia gansaxilveli,

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politikuri davaleba CainiSna,

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CarTulobas. Tqven iciT, rom

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gadasvla ramdenime Tvis win moviTxoveT,

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maspinZloba arasakmarisi

iyo. es aSkarad Canda im etapzeve.

Zalian moxarulebi varT, rom

swored amxela rangis Cveni saer-

TaSoriso stumari da partniori

aRmoCnda am procesSi ase aqtiurad

CarTuli. rodesac viziti

unda dasrulebuliyo, Sarl miSelma

Tavad moindoma, rom misi

TandaswrebiT gamarTuliyo es

Sexvedra, radgan mas surda, saqarTvelos

interesebidan gamomdinare

Tavadac yofiliyo CarTuli

am dialogis procesSi. dialogze

uaris Tqma Zalian Zviri

daujdeba saqarTvelos xelisuflebas.

aseve, samwuxarod, es karg

Sedegs ar moutans saqarTvelos

evropul da evroatlantikur integraciasac.

Cveni safiqrali da

sadardeli dRes esec aris yvelaferTan

erTad.

_ prezidentis rezidenciaSi

gamarTuli Sexvedris Semdeg

„qarTuli ocnebis” deputatebi

acxadebdnen, rom es, ubralod, 6-

punqtiani gegmaa da aucilebeli

araa, am yvela punqtze SeTanxmeba.

am tipis gancxadebebis gakeTe-

ba Sexvedris dasrulebis Semdeg

niSnavs Tu ara imas, rom mmarTve-

li gundi saTanadod ver aRiqvams

procesis mniSvnelobas?

_ is oTxi sakiTxi, romelic am

6-punqtiani gegmidan aris, Tqven

iciT, rom opoziciisa da xelisuflebis

molaparakebis wina periodSic

ido magidaze. ubralod,

politpatimrebis Temas daemata

nika melias sakiTxi, rac „qarTuli

ocnebis” aqtiurma da Semtevma

qmedebebma ganapiroba, xolo

Tavad batoni Sarl miSelis iniciativiT

Caemata ori sakiTxi,

romelic exeboda sasamarTlos

Temas. mTelma sazogadoebam dainaxa

melias TemasTan dakavSirebiT,

rom sasamarTlo „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelSi mxolod da mxolod

politikur instruments warmoadgens

da amitomac gaCnda es

sakiTxi 6-punqtian gegmaSi. aseve

am gegmaSivea xelisuflebis danawilebisa

da decentralizaciis

principi, romelic momavalSi

saqarTvelos erTpartiul,

uzurpirebul mmarTvelobas aacilebs.

es Sarl miSelis iniciativiT

Casmuli sakiTxebi iyo da ar

mgonia, vinmes egonos, isini imitom

arsebobs, rom Cven ubralod

erTmaneTs azri gavucvaloT da

meti araferi. es warmoudgeneli

ramea. ar mgonia, rom „qarTuli

ocnebis” deputatebi ver acnobierebdnen,

ras saubroben, arc

egeTi sulelebi arian, magram

CemTvis auxsneli qmedebebi axasiaTebT.

magaliTad, SturmiT Seteva

nika melias dasaWerad „nacionaluri

moZraobis” ofisze, sadac

uamravi adamiani iyo, maT Soris,

opoziciuri partiebis warmomadgenlebi

da Tavadac gaxldiT iq.

am Sturmidan meore dRes „qarTuli

ocneba” melias gareT gamosvlaze

saubrobs, araviTari problema

ar ariso, praqtikulad, lamis

cixis kari gauRes, rom gareT

gamoiyvanon. am or qmedebas Soris

ra logikaa, ubralod, ar mesmis.

Zalian winaaRmdegobrivi da Znelad

asaxsnelia. erTi mxriv, moundaT,

rom Tavisi uZleveloba

daemtkicebinaT sakuTari amomrCevlisTvis

Tu yvelasTvis, meore

mxriv ki meore dResve moundaT,

rom am Seqmnili problemisgan

rogorme ganTavisuflebuliyvnen.

warmoudgeneli qmedebebia,

iseve rogorc is, rom mTelma

qveyanam dainaxa, maT Soris, saer-

TaSoriso sazogadoebam, _

mmarTvelma gundma politikuri

saqmeebis gacocxleba daiwyo,

`rodesac viziti unda dasrulebuliyo, Sarl

miSelma Tavad moindoma, rom misi

TandaswrebiT gamarTuliyo es Sexvedra,

radgan mas surda, saqarTvelos interesebidan

gamomdinare Tavadac yofiliyo CarTuli am

dialogis procesSi. dialogze uaris Tqma

Zalian Zviri daujdeba saqarTvelos

xelisuflebas. aseve, samwuxarod, es karg

Sedegs ar moutans saqarTvelos evropul da

evroatlantikur integraciasac~

`xalxi

Seikribeba

maSin,

roca

saWiroa~

raTa oponentebi parlamentSi Sesvlisken

eiZulebinaT. pirdapir

gveubnebodnen, rom an cixea Tqveni

arCevani, an _ parlamentio.

praqtikulad, swored es arCevani

vixileT nika meliasTan mimarTebiT

da amxela saerTaSoriso rezonansi

rom ar mohyoloda, namdvilad

gadmovidoda es procesi

„lelos” liderebze, amaSi sruliad

darwmunebuli var. ucnauri

qmedebebis pirobebSi vimyofebiT

xelisuflebis mxridan, amitom

Wirs prognozireba, ras moimoqmedeben

isini.

_ bolo dros ganviTarebuli

politikuri movlenebi da xelisuflebis

mier miRebuli gadawyvetilebebi,

maT Soris, Rarib-

aSvilis dabruneba premieris

postze da nika melias daWeris

gadawyvetileba migvaniSnebs Tu

ara imaze, rom ivaniSvili, ubral-

od, kulisebidan marTavs pro-

cesebs?

_ „leloSi” vfiqrobdiT, rom

biZina ivaniSvili realurad gavida

xelisuflebidan. mas aRar

unda aranairad pasuxismgeblobis

aReba da arc asocireba unda im

procesebTan, rac qveyanaSi xdeba,

radgan am SemTxvevaSi mxolod

politikuri krizisi ki ar gvaqvs,

aramed umwvavesi ekonomikuri

krizisia. vxedavT, rogor gaSiSvlda

xelisufleba pandemiur

krizisTan mimarTebiT da misi

mogvarebis aranairi Sansi da unari

ar gaaCnia. biZina ivaniSvils

aRar undoda am yvelaferTan asocireba

da, ra Tqma unda, is ganze

gavida da aRar Caereva am procesebSi

aqtiurad. Tumca aravis aqvs

imis iluzia, rom sanam arsebobs

kobaxiZe, RaribaSvili da sanam arseboben

zarquebi, volskebi da

„qarTuli ocnebis” nebismieri

Tundac Zveli da axali saxe, progresi

ar iqneba. isini xom xalxisgan

miRebuli legitimaciis mqone

adamianebi ar arian, isini biZina

ivaniSvilisgan legitimacia miRebuli

adamianebi brZandebian. biZina

ivaniSvilis wyalobiT arian

Tbil adgilas mokalaTebulni. Sesabamisad,

sanam isini xelisuflebaSi

arian, bunebrivia, biZina

ivaniSvili saxlobs maTSi da maTi

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upirobo mzaobas acxadebs~

yvela gadawyvetileba, pirdapir

Tu iribad, mainc biZina ivaniSvilTan

aris dakavSirebuli da

mainc mis politikur gemovnebasTan

Tu mis msoflmxedvelobasTan

asocirdeba, rac Zalian

mZimed daujda saqarTvelos am

cxra wlis ganmavlobaSi.

_ prezidentis rezidenciaSi

Sarl miSelTan gamarTuli Sexvedridan

ramdenime saaTSi opoz-

iciurma partiebma da samoqalaqo

aqtivistebma daiwyes parlamentis

piketireba. amasTan dakav-

SirebiT xelisuflebis warmomad-

genlebma opoziciisken gaiSvires

TiTi, rom igi destruqciulad

iqceoda, miuxedavad imisa, rom

garkveuli komunikacia Sedga xe-

lisuflebasa da opozicias

Soris miSelTan Sexvedris dros.

aqedan gamomdinare, fiqrobT Tu

ara, rom piketirebis mcdelobiT

xelisuflebas TiTis gaSveris sa-

babi mieciT?

_ es ambavi TiTidan gamowovilia,

es ar iyo Senobis blokireba.

deputatebi manqanebiT Tavisuflad

Sediodnen parlamentis

ezoSi, ubralod, iyo garkveuli

SeZaxilebi Sesvlis dros. arc

erT deputats ar Seqmnia parlamentSi

Sesvlis problema. roca

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebma

meore dRes moindomes mizezad

piketis Temis gamoyeneba, Tavadve

aiWrnen winadadebaSi, radgan amave

dros gamoacxades, rom maTTvis

wina dRes SeTanxmebuli sakiTxebic

mouRebelia da wiTeli xazebi

arsebobso. maT undodaT pasuxismgeblobisgan

gamoZroma da

raRacebi Tqves. rodesac batoni

pavilionisi iyo Camosuli da misi

TxovniT rodesac opoziciam 25

Tebervlis aqciaze vTqviT uari,

yvelas gvaxsovs, ra gancxadebebi

gaakeTes „qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgenlebma,

rom opozicia

xalxs ver krebs da amitom viTom

saerTaSoriso partniors gadaabrales

aqciis gauqmebao. opozicias

3 marts gvqonda Sekreba da

vTqviT, rom gavagrZelebT aqciebs,

kvlav protestis formas gamoviyenebT,

magram ar iqneba saxelisuflebo

Senobebis piketireba,

raTa maT ar mivceT molaparakebis

CaSlis sababi. amdenad, „qarTuli

ocneba” ase martivad ver

gamoZvreba situaciidan. Zalian

seriozuli procesia dawyebuli,

sruliad gansxvavebul etapzea

realoba, rodesac aseTi maRali

rangis saerTaSoriso warmomadgenloba

erTveba da vfiqrob,

didi ugunureba iqneba, rom

„qarTulma ocnebam” procesis CaSlis

mcdeloba gaagrZelos.

_ parlamentis win opoziciuri

politikuri partiebis, arasamTavrobo

organizaciebisa da samo-

qalaqo aqtivistebis karvebia

gaSlili. am nawilSi xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi da mxardam-

Werebi ironiulad aRniSnaven im

faqts, rom TiTo orola adami-

ania parlamentis win. isini imasac

amboben, rom policielebi da

Jurnalistebi ufro meti arian,

vidre _ aqtivistebi. ratom ar

gamodis xalxi quCaSi?

_ xalxi mudmivad ver dadgeba

quCaSi. karavi swored aqtivobis

iseTi formaa, rodesac saprotes-

àr mgonia, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ deputatebi ver acnobierebdnen, ras

saubroben, arc egeTi sulelebi arian, magram CemTvis auxsneli qmedebebi

axasiaTebT. magaliTad, SturmiT Seteva nika melias dasaWerad `nacionaluri

moZraobis~ ofisze, sadac uamravi adamiani iyo, maT Soris, opoziciuri

partiebis warmomadgenlebi da Tavadac gaxldiT iq. am Sturmidan meore

dRes `qarTuli ocneba~ melias gareT gamosvlaze saubrobs, araviTari

problema ar ariso, praqtikulad, lamis cixis kari gauRes, rom gareT

gamoiyvanon. am or qmedebas Soris ra logikaa, ubralod, ar mesmis~

to warmomadgenloba unda iyos

da ara adamianebis mTeli samitinge

raodenoba. maxsovs, analogiurad

gveubneboda wina xelisufleba,

rodesac aseve gaSlili iyo

karvebi da saknebi rusTavelze.

isini ambobdnen, rom xalxs ver

vkrebdiT da tyuilad iyo quCebi

gadaketili, am dros ki gaxsovT,

ramdeni xalxi iyo Sekrebili.

Zalian cudia, rodesac adamianebi

xelisuflebaSi xvdebian da viwydebaT

wina xelisuflebis Secdomebi.

viRacebi maSin opozicia-

Sic namyofebi iyvnen, axla ki aRar

darCa „qarTul ocnebaSi” aseTi,

magram roca iyvnen, maTac daaviwydaT,

risTvis ibrZodnen da xelisuflebaSi

yofnis pirobebSi

uari Tqves TavianT principebze,

rac samwuxaroa. xalxi Seikribeba

maSin, roca saWiroa _ karavi aris

protestis gansxvavebuli forma

da is aqtivistebi, romlebic iq

morigeoben da Zalian bevr aqcia-

Si monawileoben, maTi aqtivizmi

Zalian dasafasebelia _ es aris

samoqalaqo aqtivizmi da politikuri

partiebi ufro masStaburi

aqciebis formas mivmarTavT xolme,

roca amis saWiroeba arsebobs.

_ masStaburi aqciebis saWir-

oeba iyo, jer kidev, maSin, roca

2020 wlis arCevnebis Semdeg

opoziciam ganacxadeT, rom xe-

lisuflebam arCevnebi gaayalba

da parlamentSi Sesvlas boikoti

`rac mTavaria, kovids xelisufleba uefeqtures

iaraRad iyenebs. es iaraRi man gamoiyena

winasaarCevno periodSi, arCevnebis dResac

imedovnebda, rom kovidis gamo amomrCevlis

udidesi nawili ar mividoda saarCevno

yuTebTan da is gayalbebis abdaubda swored

imis gamo daemarTaT, rom vidre elodnen,

imaze bevrad meti amomrCeveli mivida

saarCevno yuTebTan. es rom `qarTuli ocnebis~

amomrCeveli ar iyo, zustad icodnen da

amitomac gagiJdnen da miiRes davaleba, rom

radac ar unda dajdomodaT, `qarTuli ocnebis~

sasargeblod unda SeedginaT dokumentacia. is

abdaubda da daubalansebloba, rac oqmebSi

iyo, swored amis nayofia~

gamoucxadeT, Tumca es masSt-

aburi aqciebi ver Sedga. fiqrobT

Tu ara, rom swori komuni-

kaciis problema gaqvT opozi-

cias mosaxleobasTan da sakuTar

amomrCevelTan?

_ ar vambob, rom opozicia

raimes ar aklebs. magaliTad, „lelos”

ukve didi xania dagegmili

gvaqvs regionebSi gasvla, Tumca,

jerjerobiT, mxolod fragmentulad

vaxerxebT. 4 marts Cveni

warmomadgenlebi enguris xidTan

iyvnen, e. w. saokupacio zolTan

myofi sazRvrispira soflebisTvis

saokupacio statusis moxsnis

gamo protesti gamoxates. statusis

moxsna absoluturad auxsneli

da gaugebaria. aseve anaklia-

Sic iyvnen, sadac protesti gamoTqves

swored anakliis proeqtis

gaCerebis gamo. Cven ganzraxva

gvqonda, rom Zalian seriozulad

unda gadavrTuliyaviT regionebze

muSaobasa da soflebSi siarulze,

magram es garemoeba ar

gvaZlevs amis SesaZleblobas,

radgan xan molaparakebaa, xan vi-

Racas iWeren, xan stumari Camodis,

visTanac urTierToba aucilebelia

da rac mTavaria, kovidi,

romelsac xelisufleba uefeqtures

iaraRad iyenebs. es iaraRi

man gamoiyena winasaarCevno periodSi,

arCevnebis dResac imedovnebda,

rom kovidis gamo amomrCevlis

udidesi nawili ar mividoda

saarCevno yuTebTan da is

gayalbebis abdaubda swored imis

gamo daemarTaT, rom vidre elodnen,

imaze bevrad meti amomrCeveli

mivida saarCevno yuTebTan. es

rom „qarTuli ocnebis” amomrCeveli

ar iyo, zustad icodnen

da amitomac gagiJdnen da miiRes

davaleba, rom radac ar unda dajdomodaT,

„qarTuli ocnebis”

sasargeblod unda SeedginaT dokumentacia.

is abdaubda da daubalansebloba,

rac oqmebSi iyo,

swored amis nayofia. Tumca amis

Semdgomac vxedavT, rom absoluturad

auxsneli mizezebiT ar auqmeben

komendantis saaTs. Zalian

Znelia adamianebisTvis, rom aqciaze

Camovidnen raionebidan da

komendantis saaTis gamo, aqciebidan

wasuli xalxi daajarimes.

ase rom, bevri problemaa xelovnurad

Seqmnili. procesic

sakmaod gaiwela da yovel wuTs

quCaSi ver dadgeba amdeni aTasi

adamiani. gonieri xelisuflebis

pirobebSi, rodesac krizisi iqmneba,

misi ganmuxtvis gza aris vadamdeli

arCevnebis daniSvna da

amas amdeni energiis xarjva ar

unda sWirdebodes, magram, samwuxarod,

Cven iseTi xelisufleba

gvyavs, romelTanac ar gadis es

Segonebebi da gvWirdeba, rom

xSirad mivmarToT protestis

formebs.

_ sabolood, daTmobs Tu ara

vadamdel arCevnebs xelisufle-

ba?

_ dRes Tu ar wamova am daTmobaze,

xval mouwevs, xval Tu ara

_ zeg. ubralod, SeuZlebelia, es

situacia vadamdeli arCevnebis

gareSe gadarCes. 4 marts irakli

RaribaSvili mTavrobis sxdomaze

gamovida da gveubneba, rom Turme

momavali 10-wliani ekonomikuri

ganviTarebis gegma unda

Seadginos, maSin roca ekonomikis

saSineli vardna gvaqvs da es Tu

didxans gagrZelda, saerTod

rogor unda amovZvreT am situaciidan?

amitom aris vadamdeli

arCevnebi umniSvnelovanesi, rom

axali politikuri realoba SevqmnaT,

aseve ekonomikisTvisac, sasamarTlo

sistemisTvisac axali realoba

SevqmnaT, rom bevri mniSvnelovani

investicia movizidoT

qveyanaSi. 4 marts anakliis portze

saubrobda premieri, Cven

Tvalwin Caiara am procesma, rogor

xelovnurad dablokes da

Caagdes igi. xazaraZe-jafariZe

cixeSi gasaSvebad gaimetes, rom es

proeqti ar ganxorcielebuliyo.

es saqme dResac daZinebulia. vin

unda daujeros dRes qveynis premier

RaribaSvils, rom is TiTqos

anakliis proeqtisTvis investorebis

moZiebas apirebs, maSin rodesac

ukve moZiebuli investorebi

qveynidan gayares da uzarmazari

zarali anaxes?! Tqven iciT,

rom JenevaSi procesia dawyebuli

am uprecedento motyuebasa da

gadadgebasTan dakavSirebiT saqarTvelos

xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg?

xelisuflebis mxridan amdeni

blefiT rodemde unda vicxovroT?!

iseTi problemebia dagrovili

saqarTveloSi, rom RmerTma

nu qnas, es yvelaferi

udides socialur afeTqebamde

mivides. es Zalian Zvirad daujdeba

yvelas da rTuli iqneba am socialuri

afeTqebidan qveynis

normaluri ganviTarebis kalapotSi

Semobruneba. Zalian Znelia,

roca xelisuflebas es ar

esmis. Cven unda vibrZoloT bolomde

da ar davzogoT Tavi, rom

dRes Tu ara xval, xval Tu ara

zeg da ramdenime TveSi mivaRwioT

im gadawyvetilebas, rasac vadamdeli

arCevnebis daniSvna hqvia.

aseve Zalian mniSvnelovania politpatimrebis

ganTavisufleba.

ubralod, warmoudgenelia, rom

rame iluzia SevqmnaT samarTliani

garemosi, miT umetes, winasaarCevno

periodSi, Tu saqarTveloSi

politpatimrebi isev iarsebeben.

N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.

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2014 wlidan iSenebs saukeTeso

reputacias! da kompania,

romelsac weliwadze metia, ebrZvis

saqarTvelos erovnuli banki!

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom kompania

„velsi~ 2014 wlidan funqcionirebs.

am periodis ganmav-

lobaSi raime saxis problema

xom ar gamovlenila?

_ Cveni kompaniis kompetencia

finansuri bazrebis mimarT

erovnul banks arasdros moswonda.

maTi mxridan negativis gamomwvevia

Tundac is faqti, rom 2016

wlis ivnisSi Cvenma gundma dado

laris devalvaciis prognozi _

mosalodneli kursi mag dros

ukve iyo 3.39 lari erTi aSS dolaris

mimarT. 2020 wlis dasawyisidan

erovnulma bankma daiwyo

pirdapiri, mizanmimarTuli qmedebebis

ganxorcieleba, rom Cven

qarTuli bazridan gavsuliyaviT.

imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom kompanias

aranairi imgvari xasiaTis

darRveva ar hqonia, romelic daazaralebda

momxmareblis interesebs,

saqarTvelos erovnulma

bankma destabilizaciis gzad airCia

Cveni reputaciis maqsimaluri

gafuWeba, Semdgom _ ukanono

da dausabuTebeli sanqciebis

daweseba, bolos ki, aseve ukanono

da dausabuTebeli gankargulebiT,

kompaniisTvis licenziis

gauqmeba.

2020 wlis dasawyisSi CvenTan

komunikacia daiwyo ana baziarma,

romelic saqarTvelos erovnuli

bankis fasiani qaRaldebis bazris

zedamxedvelobis ganyofilebis

ufrosad axali daniSnuli iyo,

Tumca xsenebuli poziciis dasakaveblad

mas ar gaaCnia msgavsi tipis

samuSao gamocdileba da sakmarisi

kompetencia, rom amgvari

mniSvnelobis Tanamdeboba SeiTavsos.

ana baziaris daniSvnis momentidan

daiwyo e. w. Semowmeba, axali

standartebis reportingis

gamogoneba da informaciebis

moTxovna, sadac miwodebis vadad

ganisazRvreboda ramdenime saa-

Ti. Semowmebis ganxorcielebidan

maleve saqarTvelos erovnul

bankSi dainiSna Sexvedra, ra dro-

16

sac me, rogorc kompaniis direqtors,

ana baziarma Sematyobina,

rom kompaniaSi ikveTeba Zalian

didi danaklisi klientebis Tanxebis

kuTxiT, kerZod ki kompanias

miTvisebuli aqvs 980,000 aSS

dolaris odenobiT saxsrebi.

kompaniis mier Tanxebis miTvisebis

gamoTvlis modelis Sesaxeb

arafers amboben. 6 werili mivwereT,

rom aexsnaT, ra meTodi

gamoiyenes daTvlis dros, magram

sruli ignorireba.

_ ras eyrdnoba maTi daskvna,

rom kompanias miTvisebuli

hqonda 980,000 aSS dolari?

_ zemoT ganviTarebuli

msjeloba aris logikasa da saR

azrs moklebuli. saqarTvelos

erovnul banks ar hqonda arc

erTi mtkicebuleba zemoaRniSnuli

braldebis gasamyareblad.

erTaderTi, rasac maTi pozicia

eyrdnoboda, es iyo arasworad

daTvlili reportebi, ris Sesaxebac

maT miveciT uxeSi SeniSvna.

erovnuli bankis TanamSromlebma

ar aRiares TavianTi Secdoma da

SezRudva dagviweses, risi mizezic

iyo varaudi, rom kompania Sei-

Zleba arRvevdes kanons. SezRudvebis

siaSi ki erT-erTi muxli

pirdapir arRvevda momxmarebel-

Ta interesebs _ SezRudvis Sesrulebis

pirobebSi cocxal bazarze

veravin ganaxorcielebda

operaciebs, rac niSnavs potenciurad

did zarals. amaze Cvenma

gundma daaxloebiT 5-jer mimar-

Ta erovnul banks da auxsna, rom

maTi SezRudva azianebda Cvens

reputacias da xalxs fuls akargvinebda.

rasakvirvelia, erovnuli

bankisgan kvlav sruli ignorireba

miviReT SezRudvebis

negatiur SedegebTan dakavSirebiT.

zustad imavenairad ignorirebuli

iyo:

1. Cveni Txovna, rom moewodebinaT

axsna-ganmarteba imis Sesaxeb,

Tu sad iyo aRmoCenili raime

tipis darRveva;

2. Cveni Txovna, moewodebinaT

is kalkulacia, romlis safuZvelzec

Sexvedraze ganacxades,

rom kompanias aqvs disbalansi

980,000 aSS dolaris odenobiT;

3. Cveni Txovna, rom kompaniis

mier ganxorcielebuli TiToeuli

qmedebis Semowmebisa da sisworis

dadgenis mizniT ganexorcielebinaT

kompaniis adgilze

Semowmeba.

_ ra tipis komunikacia gqondaT

erovnul bankTan am sakiTxis

Sesaxeb da Sedga Tu ara dia-

logi Tqven Soris?

_ 2020 wlis 4 marts gavmarTeT

`velsi~ erovnul banks

zewolaSi adanaSaulebs

Sexvedra saqarTvelos erovnul

bankSi, romelsac eswrebodnen

saqarTvelos erovnuli bankis

prezidenti koba gvenetaZe, saqarTvelos

erovnuli bankis fasiani

qaRaldebis bazris zedamxedvelobis

departamentis ufrosi

salome sxirtlaZe, zemoxsenebuli

ana baziari da saqarTvelos

erovnuli bankis iuristebi.

Sexvedris dros koba gvenetaZem

pirdapir aRniSna, rom Cveni

biznes modeli misTvis mosawoni

ar aris da man migviTiTa

gvemuSava, rogorc B Book - brokeri

(xolo Cveni kompaniis struqtura

yovelTvis iyo A Book -

brokeri). B Book-is modeli Cven

SemTxvevaSi mTel biznesstruqturas

angrevda, Cveni kompaniis

Semosavali ki, ZiriTadad, warmatebuli

vaWrobaa. auditiTac

mtkicdeba, rom 2018 wels kompaniis

sruli Semosavlis 97% warmatebuli

iyo. Cven aRvniSneT,

rom SevcvliT struqturas, ganvagrZobT

muSaobas da Cveni

uflebebis dasacavad davas gavagrZelebT

sasamarTloSi, xolo

maTi iuristis TqmiT, saqarTvelos

erovnuli banki arasdros

agebs sasamarTlos.

damatebiT aRsaniSnavia, rom

zemoaRniSnuli SezRudvebis

farglebSi kompaniis klientebi

mimarTavdnen saqarTvelos erovnul

banks, raTa gaerkviaT, Tu

ratom veRar axerxeben vaWrobis

ganxorcielebas. isini maregulirebeli

organosgan iRebdnen

Semdeg pasuxs: „kompania gaxlavT


mier licenzirebuli kompania da

mas problemebi ar gaaCnia”; „Cven

verafriT dagexmarebiT da Segi-

ZliaT Tqveni saxsrebi gadaitanoT

sxva sabrokero kompaniaSi” da

a. S. swored es gaxda erT-erTi

mizezi imisa, rom gavasaCivreT

aRniSnuli SezRudvebi, maTi samarTlianoba

da velodebiT sasamarTlo

process (romelic Tavdapirvelad

2020 wlis martis

periodSi gamocxadebuli sagangebo

reJimis gamo gaWianurda,

xolo mere _ 2020 wlis Semodgomis

dros gamkacrebuli SezRudvebis

gamo, ra periodSic saqar-

Tvelos erovnuli bankis fasiani

qaRaldebis bazris zedamxedvelobis

departamentma gansakuTrebiT

mkacrad da masStaburad

daiwyo Semowmeba Tu sanqcireba).

jer kidev regulaciebis Semu-

Savebis dros aqtiurad vTanam-

SromlobdiT saqarTvelos erovnul

bankTan, raTa droulad SemuSavebuliyo

iseTi sakanonmdeblo

baza, romelic maqsimalurad

daicavda momxmareblis interesebs,

marTlzomierebis fargleb-

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kompania `velss~ seb-i ebrZvis

Si. miuxedavad imisa, rom ganxorcielebuli

samuSaosTvis Cven

gvaqvs miRebuli samadlobeli

werili saqarTvelos erovnuli

bankisgan, licenziis gacemis periodi

Zalian gaiwela da erovnulma

bankma gamoiyena absoluturad

yvela arsebuli resursi

imisTvis, raTa Cven ver migveRo

sabrokero licenzia.

SezRudvebis periods maleve

mohyva kovid pandemia saqarTveloSi,

ramac gaaWianura sasamarTlo

procesebi, Tumca Cven

mivwereT saqarTvelos erovnul

banks, rom miuxedavad SezRudvebisa,

vagrZelebdiT muSaobas, _

avunazRaureT klientebs saqar-

Tvelos erovnuli bankis mier

dawesebuli ukanono da dausabuTebeli

SezRudvebis SesrulebiT

miyenebuli ziani da daviwyeT

Cveni uflebebis dacva sasamarTloSi.

aRsaniSnavia, rom zemoaRniSnuli

zarali Seafasa da

daadastura damoukidebelma auditma,

romlis mixedviTac zaralis

jamuri moculoba Seadgenda,

daaxloebiT, 178,000 aSS

dolars.

seqtemberSi, rogorc ki daiwyo

sasamarTlo sxdomebi, romlis

drosac pirnaTlad Canda Cveni

myari poziciebi erovnuli bankis

mimarT, am ukanasknelma Cveni

gundis destabilizacia scada.

_ ufro konkretulad rom

gviTxraT, ra gziT cdilobda

erovnuli banki Tqveni kompani-

is destabilizacias?

_ erovnuli banki amisTvis sxvadasxva

gzas iyenebda, kerZod:

1. klientebis pretenziebi,

romelTa adresatic Tavad erovnuli

bankia, gadasca finansur

policias im motivaciiT, rom

pretenziebi exeba ara uSualod

erovnul banks, aramed Cvens kompanias;

2. daiwyo saqarTvelos erovnuli

bankis fulis gaTeTrebis

inspeqtirebisa da zedamxedvelobis

(AML) departamentis mier

kompaniis adgilze Semowmeba

(Semowmeba, maT Soris, moicavda

kompaniis gaxsnis dRidan absoluturad

yvela ganxorcielebuli

tranzaqciis kanonSesabamisobis

Semowmebas);

3. kompaniaSi mimdinareobda

kanonmdeblobiT gaTvaliswinebuli

savaldebulo finansuri auditi;

4. am yovelives ki sabolood

Seemata fasiani qaRaldebis bazris

zedamxedvelobis departamenti

(maT gadawyvites daewyoT

adgilze Semowmeba sasamarTlo

sxomamde zustad 1 dRiT adre);

_ ra mizani amoZravebs ero-

vnul banks, rodesac kompaniis

destabilizacias cdilobs?

_ miuxedavad imisa, rom pirdapiri

werilobiTi sabuTi xelT ar

gvaqvs, faqtebis erTobliobiT

naTeli xdeba, rom erovnuli

bankis qmedebebis ukan imaleba

koba gvenetaZis interesebi. koba

gvenetaZe, romlis pirdapiri

valdebulebaa, rom xels uwyobdes

qveyanaSi biznesis stabilurobas

da icavdes momxmareblebis

interesebs, iqceva srulad

sapirispirod _ pandemiis

periodSi, arsebuli krizisis

paralelurad, damoukidebel

kompaniebs bazridan mizanmimarTulad

iSorebs da azianebs momxmareblebs,

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs,

raTa klanisa da konkretuli

daaxloebuli pirebis

interesebi iyos daculi. aseve

`miuxedavad imisa, rom pirdapiri werilobiTi

sabuTi xelT ar gvaqvs, faqtebis erTobliobiT

naTeli xdeba, rom erovnuli bankis qmedebebis

ukan imaleba koba gvenetaZis interesebi. koba

gvenetaZe, romlis pirdapiri valdebulebaa,

rom xels uwyobdes qveyanaSi biznesis

stabilurobas da icavdes momxmareblebis

interesebs, iqceva sruliad ad sapirispirod -

pandemiis periodSi, arsebuli krizisis

paralelurad, damoukidebel kompaniebs

bazridan mizanmimarTulad iSorebs da

azianebs momxmareblebs, saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebs, raTa klanisa da konkretuli

daaxloebuli pirebis interesebi iyos daculi~

sayuradReboa dro da is periodebi,

rodesac miiReba aseTi

tipis gadawyvetilebebi. magali-

Tad, saqarTvelos erovnuli

bankis mier mkveTri gadawyvetilebebis

miReba yovelTvis dakavSirebulia

imgvar movlenebTan,

romelic saxelmwifo seqtoris

srul mobilizacias moiTxovs da

romlis farglebSic, faqtobrivad,

veravin moaxerxebs Cveni

darRveuli uflebisTvis yuradRebis

miqcevas: 14 Tebervlis

SezRudvebis paralelurad sul

ufro metad mZvinvarebda koronavirusi,

Semodgomis period-

Si saqarTveloSi mimdinare arCevnebze

iyo sruli mobilizacia,

xolo 2021 wlis 18 Tebervals

licenziis gauqmebas, sul raRac,

1 saaTiT uswrebda premier-ministris

gadadgoma. xsenebuli

gvafiqrebinebs, rom Cveni uflebebis

mkveTri Selaxvis kuTxiT,

saqarTvelos erovnuli banki

mudmivad irCevs strategiulad

swor dros, rodesac Cvens dasaxmareblad,

faqtobrivad, saxelmwifo

resursi mwiria, radgan is

mobilizebulia bevrad ufro

farTomasStabian movlenebze.

miuxedavad imisa, rom AML

(Anti-money laundering-fulis gaTe-

Trebis winaaRmdeg mimarTul

politika, _ red.) Semowmebis

procesi, gamomdinare Semowmebis

periodis, intensivobisa da moculobisa,

moiTxovda kompaniis

sruli resursis mobilizebas,

Cven warmatebiT gaviareT Semowmebis

etapi da AML departamenti

Semoifargla mxolod samuSao

procesis ukeT warsamarTad

saWiro rekomendaciebiT. amis

paralelurad, fasiani qaRaldebis

bazris zedamxedvelobis departamentma

kvlav daiwyo axali

SezRudvebisa da moTxovnebis

daweseba, xolo SezRudvebisa da

moTxovnebis sia iyo sruliad

absurduli, magaliTad: kompanias

ekrZaleba xelfasebis gazrda;

dividendebis ganawileba; axali

valdebulebebis aReba da axali

TanamSromlebis ayvana; xolo

amave werilSi Semdegi nawiliT

saqarTvelos erovnuli banki

aRniSnavda, rom kompania arRvevs

saqarTvelos kanonmdeblobas,

radgan mas ar gaaCnia sakmarisi

resursi saqmianobis Seuferxeblad

gansaxorcieleblad da

rom kompania valdebulia, 2020

wlis 31 dekembramde ganaxorcielos

resursebis mobilizeba da

organizaciuli cvlilebebis

ganxorcieleba; agreTve, kompanias

ekrZaleboda kriptoaqtivebiT

garigebebis ganxorcieleba,

rodesac: a) xsenebuli miTiTebis

miRebamde da xsenebuli miTiTebis

miRebis Semdgom periodSic

kompania ar axorcielebda kriptoaqtivebiT

garigebebs (bolo

garigeba ganxorcielda oqtomberSi,

rac saqarTvelos erovnuli

bankisTvis cnobili iyo) da b)

saqarTvelos erovnulma bankma

Tavad misca Cvens gunds instruqcia

imis Sesaxeb, Tu rogor unda

ganaxorcielon kriptoaqtivebiT

garigebebi, kompania ki zustad am

instruqciis Sesabamisad moqmedebda.

saqarTvelos erovnuli

bankis mxridan, kompaniasTan mimarTebiT,

amas garda kidev dafiqsirebulia

SemTxvevebi, rodesac

maTi moTxovnebi araTanmimdevrulia

da sxva moTxovnebs ewinaaRmdegeba.

rodesac maTi moTxovnebi

Tu sanqciebi aris urTierTsapirispiro,

kompaniis mxridan

nebismieri qmedeba Tu umoqmedoba

romelime ganawesis dar-

Rvevas mainc gamoiwvevs. xsenebuli

sxva araferia, Tu ara mizanmimarTuli

moqmedeba imisken,

rom kompaniam daarRvios erovnuli

bankis miTiTeba (zemoaRniSnuli

adamianuri resursis

nawilSi rac gvxvdeba _ Tanam-

Sromlis ayvana warmoadgens erTi

moTxovnis darRvevas, xolo TanamSromlis

arayvana meore moTxovnis

darRvevaa, rac SemdgomSi

gaxdeba kompaniis sanqcirebis

safuZveli).

gasaTvaliswinebelia, rom zemoaRniSnuli

AML departamentis

daskvna, sadac am ukanasknelma

Seamowma kompaniis daarsebis

dRidan 2020 wlis CaTvliT

drois manZilze kompaniis Sida

dokumentacia, politika, procedurebi,

TiToeuli tranzaqcia

da ver gamoavlina verc erTi

arsebiTi darRveva, romelic kompaniis

sanqcirebis safuZveli

gaxdeboda (Tundac minimaluri

fuladi jarimis dakisrebis),

Semoifargla, mxolod da mxolod,

rekomendaciebiT, romelic

miiRo 2021 wlis 16 ianvars,

xolo ramdenime dReSi kompanias

imis Sesaxeb Seatyobines, rom iwyeba

administraciuli warmoebis

procesi kompaniisaTvis sabrokero

licenziis gauqmebis Taobaze.

_ ra mizeziT daiwyo adminis-

traciuli warmoeba?

_ administraciuli warmoebis

dawyebis mizezebis mokle Sinaarsi

gaxlavT Semdegi:

1. kompania axorcielebda

kanoniT akrZalul operaciebs

(saqarTvelos erovnuli bankis

ganmartebis Tanaxmad _ kriptoaqtiviT

operaciebs);

2. kompanias ar gaaCnia sakmarisi

resursi (igulisxmeba: kadrebi,

adamianuri resursi);

3. kompaniam 2020 wels daagviana

kvartaluri fifnansuri angariSgebis

Cabareba (razedac

ukve dagvekisra jarima, romelic

gadavixadeT kidec);

4. kompanias ar miuwodebia yvela

klientis xelSekruleba (zustad

igive informacia eleqtronulad

iyo gagzavnili AML departamentSi,

xolo fizikurad

miwodeba gamogvrCa, rac Secdomis

aRmoCenidan momentalurad

mivawodeT _ 4,085 gverdi);

5. kompanias mZime epidemiur

viTarebaSi ar Seugrovebia yvela

klienti, ra drosac klientebi

maTive amonawerebs moawerdnen

xels (Cven am moTxovnis miRebisTanave

saqarTvelos erovnul

banks vacnobeT, rom rodesac

qveyanaSi kovid situacia dastabilurdeba

da xalxis kompaniaSi

mobilizeba ar iqneba diskomfortTan

da safrTxesTan dakavSirebiuli,

moviyvanT klientebs da

xelmoweriT davadasturebinebT

im informacias, romelic maT-

Tvis isedac cnobilia. ubralod,

gonierebis farglebSi, roca epidemiologiuri

situacia iqneba

naklebi safrTxis Semcveli.

gagrZeleba 24-e gv.

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lafers Tavi rom davaneboT,

nodar melaZis gadacemaSi gasajaroebuli faruli Canawere-

bic mowmobs, rom „ocnebaSi” erTmaneTs ar endobian da us-

men-uTvalTvaleben. hoda, am mocemulobidan gamomdinare, ra

gasakviria, rom saxelisuflebo gundidan male „didi gadine-

ba” daiwyos. sxvaTa Soris, am informacias „qronika+~-s war-

sulSi „ocnebis” wevri, axla ki opoziciis warmomadgeneli,

medea vasaZec udasturebs, anu Cveni respondenti, kuluarul

informaciaze dayrdnobiT, ambobs, rom „ocnebis” ramdenime

persona, romelsac partiaSi gavlena ar aqvs, magram cnobadi

saxea, mmarTveli Zalis datovebas apirebs.

medea vasaZis TqmiT, es ad-

amianebi jer samoqalaqo

moZraobas daafuZneben, romel-

ic male partiad gadakeTdeba

da romelsac eqspremieri gior-

gi gaxaria Caudgeba saTaveSi.

iqneba Tu ara es axali partia

biZina ivaniSvilTan aso-

cirebuli? _ amas winamdebare

interviudan SeityobT da aseve

gaigebT, ratom araa medea

vasaZe momxre, rom opoziciur

erTobas erovnuli moZraoba

erqvas?

_ qalbatono medea, ori Tu

sami aTeuli welia, politikaSi

xarT da iseTi viTareba, rog-

oric 31 oqtombris arCevnebis

Semdeg Seiqmna, sxva drosac

gaxsovT?

_ viTareba Zalian bevrnairi

maxsovs, magram imis momswre

pirvelad gavxdi, rom xelisuflebas

qveyana da sakuTari moqalaqeebi

kedelTan ase mieyenebinos.

imasac vxedav, rom xelisufleba

am viTarebidan gamosavals

Tavad veRar poulobs,

anu xafangSia da arc codna hyofnis,

arc _ Wkua da inteleqti,

rom vinmes rame daekiTxos,

Tumca saamiso kontaqtebic ar

aqvs. sxvaTa Soris, „ocnebaSi”

Sida dinebebi, ZalTa gadanawileba

da SeuTanxmeblobebia.

mokled, qveyanaSi Zalian rTuli

mdgomareobaa!

_ „ocnebis” bunebas zomaze

metad icnobT _ erTxans „meoc-

nebe” iyaviT da ras fiqrobT,

mmarTvelma gundma qveyanasa da

sakuTar Tavsac xafangi ratom

daugo?

_ ki batono, „ocnebaSi” viyavi,

magram, sabednierod, Zalian

male mivxvdi.

_ ras mixvdiT?

_ Sida samzareulosTan wvdoma

mqonda _ RaribaSvili maSinac

premieri iyo da xSirad mxolod

masTan ki ara, partiul xelmZRvanelobasTan

bevrjer vurTierTobdi,

vinaidan sarevizio

komisiis wevri viyavi.

mokled, rasac vxedavdi, mivxvdi,

rom „ocnebis” xelisuflebisgan

araferi gamovidoda da

piradad Cemi arCevani, Tavis

droze, Secdoma iyo!

_ e. i., „ocneba” imTaviTve

uniaTo iyo?

_ diax, uniaTo da uinteleqto.

gaTvlas ver akeTebs da

qveyanac ar uyvars! „ocnebaSi”

yvelaferi sWirdaT: arc baris

iyvnen, arc _ mTis, arc qalaqelebi

iyvnen da arc _ soflelebi,

pozitiuri gagebiT.

diax, „ocnebaSi” sasikeTo veraferi

davinaxe, arada, me,

aWaris uzenaesi sabWos wevrs,

saocari dapirebebiT mosuls,

xalxi quCaSi maCerebda da kiTxvebs

misvamda, me ki pasuxebi ar

mqonda, amitom partiaSi mivdiodi

da vambobdi, _ xalxi kiTxvebs

misvams da pasuxi gamacemineT,

ver vxvdebi, ras akeTebT-meTqi.

sxvaTa Soris, Zveli xelisuflebis

is nawili, romelic

Tavis adgils eZebs da romelTanac

dRes partnioroba maqvs,

„qarTul ocnebaSi” damxvda.

„ocnebidan” Cemi wamosvlis ZiriTadi

mizezi yvelaferi es gaxda.

amasTan, bevri sxva punqtic

Camovayalibe, romelic sadavo

aravis gauxdia... ise, ambobdnen,

medea vasaZeze gavlena murman

dumbaZis „ocnebidan” garicxvam

iqoniao, magram „ocnebis” datoveba

rom gadavwyvite, murman

dubaZe aSS-Si, SvilebTan eqvsi

Tvis wasuli iyo.

ase rom, gadawyvetileba piradad

miviRe. es gadawyvetileba

mZime, magram swori iyo. maSin

am gadawyvetilebas bevri miwunebda,

magram dRevandeli gadasaxedidan

sworad moviqeci,

radgan imas, rac dRes qveyanaSi

xdeba, ver avitandi _ amdeni

lanZRva-gineba, araswori gadawyvetileba

da a. S.

_ qalbatono medea, gaixseneT,

araswori gadawyvetilebebi

uSualod maSindeli premi-

eris iniciativiT miiReboda Tu

is, ubralod, vinmes davalebas

asrulebda?

_ roca rame sakiTxs vayenebdi,

vcdilobdi, RaribaSvili

meiZulebina, rom rame eTqva.

bolos, uxerxuloba rom iqmneboda,

mxrebs iCeCavda da xan _

xeliT, xanac TvalebiT miniSnebas

akeTebda, xanac Tavs wamowevda

xolme.

_ ukacravad, ra miniSnebas an

visze?

_ mgoni, biZinaze.

_ ise, rogor fiqrobT,

ivaniSvili politikidan marT-

la wasulia Tu RaribaSvilis

saxiT mesamed dabrunda?

_ ar vfiqrob, rom wasulia.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, ZiriTad sakiTxebs

ivaniSvili wyvets, Tumca

masTan kontaqtis saSualeba

bevrs ar aqvs. kontaqtze, albaT,

medea vasaZe:

òcneba~ uniaTo,

uinteleqtoa da

qveyanac

ar uyvars!~

mxolod uSiSroebis samsaxuris

xelmZRvanelia da, rogorc amboben,

momaval premierad

swored mas amzadebs.

_ anu moqmedi premieri Tan-

amdebobas datovebs?

_ vfiqrob, RaribaSvili am

viTarebis dalagebas ver moaxerxebs

da misi Secvlis aucilebloba

dadgeba!

_ Tu vadamdeli ar dainiSna,

samTavrobo cvlilebebi, Tqve-

ni azriT, rodis iqneba?

_ pozioroben da amboben, vadamdeli

arCevnebi wiTeli xazia

da ar ganixilebao, magram gvaqvs

informacia, rom „ocneba”

vadamdeli arCevnebis sakiTxs

ganixilavs!

_ da Tqvens xelT arsebuli

informaciiT, „ocneba” vadam-

dels rodisTvis fiqrobs?

_ gvaqvs molodini, rom

RaribaSvili briuselSi xelcarieli

Casvlas ver gabedavs!

_ ratom ver gabedavs?

_ mxolod biZina ivaniSvilze

ki ara, imazecaa laparaki, rom

sanqciebi kidev ramdenime

pirovnebas dauwesdes!

_ e. i., maqsimum, erT kviraSi,

anu 15 martamde, sanam RaribaS-

vili briuselSi Casvlamde

ityvis, rom „ocneba” vadam-

delze Tanaxmaa?

_ diax, amis molodini gvaqvs,

ufro sworad, opozicia acxadebs,

rom briuselSi gamarTul

SexvedraSi monawileobas miiRebs.

ar vici, es moxerxdeba Tu

ara, magram iqidan dabrunebuli

premieri, wesiT, vadamdel ar-

Cevnebze gaakeTebs gancxadebas.

_ es mxolod varaudia?

`Sida samzareulosTan wvdoma mqonda -

RaribaSvili maSinac premieri iyo da xSirad

mxolod masTan ki ara, partiul

xelmZRvanelobasTan bevrjer vurTierTobdi,

vinaidan sarevizio komisiis wevri viyavi.

mokled, rasac vxedavdi, mivxvdi, rom

òcnebis~ xelisuflebisgan araferi

gamovidoda da piradad Cemi arCevani, Tavis

droze, Secdoma iyo!~

_ ara, Sesabamisi informaciac

gvaqvs.

_ opoziciam aqciebze uari

swored am kuluaruli infor-

maciis gamo xom ar Tqva?

_ ramdenime gancxadeba gakeTda,

miSelTan Sexvedris meore

dRes ra ambavi iyo parlamentis

piketirebao.

_ anu?

_ opoziciam taqtika cota

Searbila da Secvala kidec _

saprotesto aqciebi, ra Tqma

unda, grZeldeba, magram sxva

saxiT, radgan am kuTxiT xelisuflebas

salaparako ar hqonda.

_ qalbatono medea, es, al-

baT, swori taqtikaa, magram is

xmac dadis, rom protestis

SerbilebiT opoziciis garkv-

euli liderebi saprotesto

muxtis dagdebas cdiloben da

amiT „ocnebis” wisqvilze asxa-

men wyals. ai, magaliTad, Tako

Carkviani pirdapir burjanaZe-

bokeriaze mianiSnebs...

_ am droisTvis aseT gancxadebebs

mizaSewonilad ar miviCnev.

_ ratom?

_ axla piradi simpaTiebis, antipaTiebisa

Tu Zveli ambebis gaxsenebis

dro araa. axla erTianobaa

saWiro da vinc unda moindomos,

es muxti aRar daecema!

_ aseTi darwmunebuli ratom

xarT?

_ bolo saprotesto aqciaze

adamianebis umravlesoba Tvi-

TorganizebiT movida da am aqciaze

Tbiliselebic iyvnen.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ zogjer amboben xolme, ai,

Tbilisi rodis gaiRviZebso, magram

bolo aqciaze ukve Tbilisic

iyo gamosuli. sxvaTa Soris,

regionebidan adamianebis Camoyvanis

dafinanseba, praqtikulad,

ar arsebobda, amitom xalxma sa-

Sualeba TviTon monaxa _ Tavi

erTad moiyara da TbilisSi organizebulad

wamovida. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, aWaridan ramdenime

aseuli adamiani swored ase Camovida.

Tu procesi ar Seicvala

da yvelaferi isev ise darCa,

rogorc axlaa, maSin 20 martisTvis

daniSnul aqciazec ad-

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sus-is ufross amzadebs!~

amianebi TviTorganizebiT gamovlen!

_ vnaxoT, ra da rogor iqneba,

magram wina kiTxvaze Cage-

kiTxebiT: TqvenTvis, rogorc

erovnuli moZraobis ZirZveli

warmomadgenlisTvis, cota uxerxuli

araa, rom gverdiT, magaliTad,

nino burjanaZe gid-

gaT, romelic socqselSi gavr-

celebuli informaciiT, 20 ivnisis

movlenebis Semdeg, Tur-

me, kosaCovs bodiSs uxdis?

_ cdiloben, rom yvelafer

amas erovnuli moZraoba daerqvas

da amiT adamianebis motivacia

gaZlierdes, magram erovnuli

moZraoba sul sxva rame iyo

da dRevandelis im moZraobas-

Tan Sedareba, romelsac zviad

gamsaxurdia da merab kostava

xelmZRvanelobdnen, ar SeiZleba!

maSin sxva winapirobebi iyo!

Tu es sazogadoebas gaaaqtiurebs

da adamianebis fsiqologiisa

Tu Tavmoyvareobis aRgznebaze

imoqmedebs, ki batono,

davarqvaT, magram es erovnuli

moZraoba ar aris!

_ e. i., Tqven, rogorc opoz-

iciis warmomadgeneli, momxre

ar xarT, rom opoziciur erTo-

bas erovnuli moZraoba erqvas?

_ amas erToba ki hqvia, magram

erovnuli moZraoba namdvilad

ar aris! erovnul moZraobas imitom

veZaxiT, rom qvecnobierSi

gavrilovs vukavSirebT, magram

gavrilovis saqarTveloSi Cam-

`mxolod biZina ivaniSvilze ki ara, imazecaa

laparaki, rom sanqciebi kidev ramdenime

pirovnebas dauwesdes!~

oyvana, isev da isev, am xelisuflebis

sisulele iyo! ruseTisgan

safrTxeebi, ra Tqma unda,

arsebobs, magram mTavari safr-

Txe mainc Cveni darRveuli sazRvrebi

da isaa, rac strasburgis

sasamarTlom daadgina.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ agvistos omis saCivarze

strasburgis sasamarTlom Tqva,

rom mTel rig mimdinare sakiTxebs,

praqtikulad, ruseTi wyvetda.

mokled, gvinda, rom davarqvaT,

magram es erovnuli moZraoba

araa!

_ ra amis pasuxia da, qalba-

tono medea, am politikur

krizisSi garkveul Secdomebs

opoziciac xom ar uSvebs?

_ mogexsenebaT, am opoziciur

speqtrSi sxvadasxva ideologiisa

da warsulis partiebi

arian. bevri misaRebia, bevri _

ara. piradad me nawilTn jdomac

ki meuxerxuleba, magram er-

Tianoba Tmenas moiTxovs.

_ es gasagebia, magram konkretikaze

gadavideT da weRandel

kiTxvas sxvanairad davsvam:

aqciebis gadadeba Tu Ser-

bileba opoziciis Secdoma xom

ar aris?

_ weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,

opozicias ar unda, rom xelisuflebas

salaparako misces da ar

gviTxras, ai, molaparakebaze

erTad visxediT da imis nacvlad,

rom ukeTesobis gancda

gvqondes, parlamentis piketirebas

axdenTo.

mokled, vcdilobT, rom es

periodi erTmaneTs, ase vTqvaT,

fizikurad cota davcildeT,

radgan braldebebs adgili arc

iqiTa mxridan hqondes da arc _

aqedan. ise, aqciebi grZeldeba _

`Tu yvelaferi ase gagrZelda, gamorcxulia,

rom sanqciebi ar dawesdes! bolos da bolos,

saqarTveloSi Zalian maRali rangis

evropeli stumari Camovida da aq ori dRe

darCa. es ki imas niSnavs, rom dasavleTSi

mxolod SeSfoTebuli ki ara, konkretul

moqmedebebze arian gadasulebi da amitom

gamoricxulia, rom sanqciebi ar dawesdes!~

ager, nika melias solidarobis

mizniT Tbilisidan rusTavis

cixesTan avtokolona Cavida.

_ vTqvaT, „ocnebam” nika me-

lia da sxva politpatimrebi

gaaTavisufla, magram vadamde-

li arCevnebi mainc ar daniSna.

aseT dros opozicia ra gzas

adgeba?

_ es gamoricxulia!

_ anu?

_ yvelaferi Zvelebur reJim-

Si darCeba da raRacebi kidev

ufro dakonkretdeba! mokled,

gamoricxulia, rom romelime

sakiTxi moixsnas da Tu „ocneba”

molaparakebaze ar wamova, qveyana,

albaT, destabilizaciamde

miva da amis Zalian meSinia!

_ destabilizaciaSi fizikur

dapirispirebas gulisxmobT?

_ daumorCilebloba ufro

farTo saxes miiRebs da isedac

daqceuli da gaubedurebuli

qveyana Setortmandeba!

_ im versias ar uSvebT, rom

saboloo jamSi, dasavleTma

„ocnebis” liderebs sanqciebi

ar dauwesos da opozicia ux-

erxul viTarebaSi aRmoCndes?

_ Tu yvelaferi ase gagrZelda,

gamorcxulia, rom sanqciebi

ar dawesdes! bolos da bolos,

saqarTveloSi Zalian maRali

rangis evropeli stumari Camovida

da aq ori dRe darCa. es ki

imas niSnavs, rom dasavleTSi

mxolod SeSfoTebuli ki ara,

konkretul moqmedebebze arian

gadasulebi da amitom gamoricxulia,

rom sanqciebi ar

dawesdes!

_ mesmis, magram vfiqrob,

opozicia nebismieri scenar-

isTvisac unda iyos mzad da am

mimarTulebiTac muSaobdes.

_ sxva sakiTxia, qveyanas ra

Sedegs moutans da procesze ra

gavlenas moaxdens, magram sanqciebi

aucileblad dawesdeba!

_ ise, „ocnebis” momavals

rogor xedavT?

_ CamoSlilia.

_ amis argumenti gaqvT?

_ Zalian male Tbilisis meris

kandidaturis Zebna daiwyeba,

rac „ocnebaSi” axali ukmayofilebis

sababi gaxdeba.

_ Tbiliss meri hyavs da kandidaturis

Zebna ratom daiwye-

ba?

_ meris Tanamdebobaze kalaZes

ar mgonia, xelmeore perspeqtiva

isev hqondes.

mokled, „ocnebis” srulad

CamoSlis winapiroba swored

Tbilisis merobis kandidatis

Zebna, anu kalaZis faqtori gaxdeba.

Cemi azriT, kalaZe imisTvisaa

ganwyobili, rom „qarTul

ocnebas” gaemijnos!

sxvaTa Soris, axlebi presaSi

jer kidev tivtiveben, magram

„ocnebaSi” ramdenime Zveli saxe

da deputatia, romelic mmarTvel

partias gaemijneba.

_ visze mianiSnebT?

_ gvarebis dasaxelebisgan

Tavs Sevikaveb.

_ is mainc miTxariT, es ad-

amianebi „ocnebaSi” wonianebi

arian?

_ wonianebi ara, magram Zveli

saxeebi da cnobadebi arian. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, „qarTuli ocnebis”

mxardamWerebs moswonT,

Tumca es adamianebi Seecdebian,

TavianTi adgili ipovon da es

adgili SesaZloa, jer sazogadoebrivi

moZraobis Camoyalibeba

iyos, Semdeg ki _ partiad gardaqmna,

romelsac, vfiqrob, giorgi

gaxaria Caudgeba saTaveSi.

_ da es axali partiac,

romelsac „ocnebisgan” gamijnulebi

Seqmnian, ivaniSvilT-

an iqneba asocirebuli?

_ ar mgonia... ki amboben, ivaniSvils

axali partiis Seqmna

gaxarias xeliT undao, magram es

ar gamova, radgan gaxaria seriozuladaa

ganawyenebuli!

_ yvelaferi es 15 martamde

moxdeba?

_ ara, mere.

_ e. i., martis bolosTvis

sxva politikuri realoba

gveqneba?

_ diax, me ase vfiqrob...

_ qalbatono medea, Tqveni

SefasebiT, vadamdeli saparla-

mento wels dainiSneba Tu 2022-

Si?

_ „ocneba” cdilobs, rom aqcenti

2022-ze gaakeTos.

_ ratom?

_ vadamdeli arCevnebis Casatareblad

kanoniT dadgenili

dro arsebobs, amitom ar gamovricxav,

rom vadamdeli 2022

wels Catardes, oRond Semodgomaze

ki ara, _ gazafxulze.

_ vnaxoT, ra da rogor iqneba...

warmatebas gisurvebT, qal-

batono medea!

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TobiT, sanqciebamdec miva. yovel SemTxvevaSi, gavleniani dasav-

bs dauweseben. arsebobs Tu ara

leli politikosebi Tu analitikosebi ukve Riad amboben, rom

cobexia:

imis Teoriuli Sansi, rom es

saqarTvelo ikargeba da amitom qmediTi nabijebis gadadgmaa

sanqciebi qveyanazec gavr-

saWiro. swored amas emsaxureboda evrokavSiris parlamentis

celdes da dasavleTma granteprezident

Sar miSelis viziti saqarTveloSi, romelmac xelisubzec

uari gvTxras da sxva saxflebas,

praqtikulad, yuri auwia da uTxra, 15 marts an 6-pun-

`nika melias

is daxmarebazec?

qtian SeTanxmebaze xels moawer, an arada, movlenebi dramatu-

_ pirovnuli sanqciebi pirve-

lad ganviTardebao. mokled, zustad erT kviraSi gairkveva,

saqme

li etapi iqneba, rasac aucile-

„ocneba” politikur samareSi nebiT Cawveba Tu, rogorc ityviblad

mohyveba sxva nabijebic.

an, saxis SesanarCuneblad raime mniSvnelovan nabijs gadadgams.

strasburgamde

_ kerZod?

_ amis Zalian kargi magaliTi

manamde ki sainformacio

xavT, anu imas, rasac mTeli

ruseTis federaciaa, anu viciT,

saagento cnews-i aSS-is saxelm-

opozicia politikur krizisad

miva!~

rom Tavidan ruseTSi zogierT

wifo mdivnis TanaSemwis moadg-

ile jorj kentis gancxadebas

avrcelebs, sadac naTqvamia:

„aSS-Si bevrma gamoTqva SeSfoTeba

imis Sesaxeb, rac Tbi-

lisSi xdeba, gzavnilebi, rog-

orc piradi, aseve oficialuri,

mkveTri iyo. rac Seexeba gasul

kviras momxdar ambavs, saqarTvelos

yvela mogobrisTvis naTelia,

rom es iyo saxifaTo momenti

saqarTvelos evroatlantikuri

da evropuli miswrafe-

bebis gzaze, swored amitom

gavaqtiurdiT rogorc pirad,

ise sajaro sivrceSi da movuwodeT

mxareebs, rom molaparake-

bis magidas dabrunebodnen”.

miiCnevs, xelisufleba, kerZod,

premieri RaribaSvili saxelmwifoze

Setevas uwodebs da imTaviTve

iqadneba, rom konstituci-

ur wesrigs aRadgens...

_ es, minimum, iuridiuli terminebis

arcodnaa.

_ ratom?

_ konstituciuri wesrigi

SegviZlia, magaliTad, afxazeT-

Si mas Semdeg aRvadginoT, rac

mas davibrunebT. mokled, yvelaferi

es iuridiuli terminebis

araswori interpretaciaa.

_ xom ar fiqrobT, rom am

terminebis araswori interpre-

tacia mizanmimarTulad xdeba,

raTa sazogadoebis nawilma

komikur situaciaSia, miSelis

wavslis Semdeg ki Tavs ufro

komikur situaciaSi igdebs da

ambobs, rom wiTeli xazi isev

arsebobs.

_ sxvaTa Soris, „qocspikerebi”

cinikosoben, miSelTan mo-

laparakebaze SeTanxmebuli 6-

punqtiani gegma dokumenti ki

ara, magidaze dadebuli mo-

sazrebebiao da es maSin, roca

dasavleTis gavleniani politikuri

figurebi ukve Riad am-

boben, saqarTvelos vkargavTo.

_ es Zalian saintereso detalia.

_ miSelma gasagebad Tqva, rom

15 marts, asocirebis xelSekrulebis

farglebSi Catarebul

Sexvedraze, SeTanxmebul angariSs

moismens da es pirdapiri

miniSnebaa.

_ miniSneba razea?

_ miniSneba imazea, ivaniSvil-

RaribaSvilis oligarqiuli re-

Jimis msgavsi moqmedeba rad Sei-

Zleba dagvijdes, anu Tu saqarTvelo

im, ase vTqvaT, receptiT

ar imoqmedebs, romelsac miSeli

gvTavazobs da krizisi demokratiuli

meTodebiT ar ganimuxteba,

Zalian seriozuli safrTxis

pirs evropisa da aSS-is teritoriaze

Sesvla aekrZala. amasTan,

angariSebic gaiyina. yvelaferi

es ki iqamde mivida, rom sanqciebi,

saboloo jamSi, ruseTis saxelmwifos

daedo.

_ anu Cvenc am scenarisken

mivdivarT?

_ amas ver getyviT, magram

iciT, mTavari ra aris?

_ ra?

_ sanqcirebuli maRalCinosnebis

pirobebSi gamoricxulia,

rom dasavleTidan investiciebi

da grantebi movizidodT. aseve

verc evropuli bazris im sike-

TeebiT visargeblebT, rac asocirebis

xelSekrulebam mogvca.

rogor unda ganimuxtos

daijeros, ai, opozicia konsti-

_ anu?

winaSe davdgebiT, maT Soris, Tu ivaniSvilis reJimi am polipolitikuri

krizisi da arse-

bobs Tu ara samarTlebrivi meq-

anizmi, riTic „ocneba” ukanono

patimrobaSi myof „nacmoZraobis”

lider nika melias sapyro-

bilidan gaaTavisuflebs? _

„qronika+~ iurists, „strategia

tuciuri CarCoebidan gadiso?

_ diax, es politikuri teqnologiis

meTodia. ise, imas,

rom qveyanaSi politikuri krizisia,

isic mowmobs, rom parlamentSi

opozicia ar aris.

_ ar mgonia, Tqveni es gancx-

_ mdinaraZe da misi damqaSebi

ki amboben, es 6-punqtiani gegma

dokumenti ki ara, mxolod mosazrebaao,

magram yuradReba

erT rames ar miaqcies.

_ ras?

asocirebis xelSekrulebis realizebis

kuTxiTac. mokled, yvelaferi

es SesaZloa, Cveni evropuli

momavlis gaqrobis fasad

dagvijdes!

_ RmerTma ar qnas, es progtikas

gaagrZelebs, pirveli,

razedac evropa „dagvartyams”,

mimosvla iqneba.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ uvizo mimosvla, ubralod,

daikargeba, arada, es sakiTxi

mniSvnelovani monapovaria.

aRmaSeneblis” warmomadgenel

adeba mTlad relevanturi iyos,

èrTi sityviT, qveyanaSi calsaxa politikuri

_ uvizo mimosvla ivaniSvil-

giorgi cobexias esaubra:

radgan parlamentSi elisaSvil-

isTvis maincdamainc mniSvnelo-

_ giorgi, im viTarebas, rac

ioselianic arian da eqspatri-

krizisia, saidan gamosvlazec yvelam erTad

vani araa.

dRes qveyanaSia, ra iuridiuli

otebic fridon injias meTau-

unda vifiqroT, Tumca RaribaSvili jer

_ SeiZleba, magram, saboloo

termini miesadageba?

robiT.

raRac wiTel xazebze laparakobs, miSelis

jamSi, mainc mas daartyams.

_ es politikuri krizisia. _ elisaSvilsa da eqspatri-

Camosvlis Semdeg es wiTeli xazebi, Turme,

_ rogor?

saerTod, „politikuri krizisi”

mxolod politikuri ki ara, wminda

otebs mniSvneloba ar aqvT.

_ ras hqvia, „mniSvneloba ar

aRaraa da xvdeba, rom komikur situaciaSia,

miSelis wavslis Semdeg ki Tavs ufro

_ uvizo mimosvlis SeCereba

sazogadoebas quCaSi gamoiyvans

iuridiul-samarTlebrivi

aqvT”?

komikur situaciaSi igdebs da ambobs, rom

da ivaniSvilis reJimis winaaRmotebs

terminia. es politikuri krizisi

qveyanaSi 31 oqtombris arCev-

Sevida, anu opozicia Tavis pro-

Ra agordeba da yvelafer amas

_ parlamentSi xuTi partia ar

wiTeli xazi isev arsebobs~

deg protestis ufro didi talnebis

Semdeg Seiqmna da misi ganmuxtvis

tests im formiT gamoxatavs,

rodemde gauZlebs?

erTaderTi meqanizmi va-

rom arCevnebis Sedegebs boikots

_ mgonia, rom didxans

damdeli arCevnebia, Tumca xeltests

isufleba im meqanizmis SemuSavebas,

romliTac vadamdeli arCevnebi

unda miviRoT, Tavs aridebs.

sxvaTa Soris, evropis sab-

Wos prezidentma Sarl miSelma

yvelafer amaze Tavisi seriozuli

pozicia sajarod daafiqsira

da mxareebs im sakiTxebze saubrisken

mouwoda, romelic vadamdel

arCevnebsac moicavs. albaT,

gaxsovT, rom miSelis vizitamde

RaribaSvilisTvis vadamdeli

arCevnebi „wiTeli xazi” iyo.

_ diax, maxsovs, Tumca mas

Semdeg, rac miSelma saqarTvelo

datova, „ocnebis” liderSi-

fi pirvandel pozicias daubr-

unda da vadamdel arCevnebs

isev „wiTel xazad” miiCnevs, ma-

gram vidre am Temas gavSliT,

isev politikur krizisze gkiT-

ucxadebs. boikoti erT partiasac

rom gamoecxadebina, es politikur-samarTlebrivad

ukve

politikuri krizisi iqneboda da

mxolod CvenTvis ki ara, evropisTvisac.

saerTod, politikur kriziss

Tavisi indikatorebi aqvs da am

SemTxvevaSi indikatori swored

isaa, rom weRandeli Tqmisa ar

iyos, opozicia im mandatebis

realizebas ar axdens, romelic

„ocnebam” 31 oqtombers „dauwera”.

erTi sityviT, qveyanaSi calsaxa

politikuri krizisia, romlidan

gamosvlazec yvelam er-

Tad unda vifiqroT, Tumca RaribaSvili

jer raRac wiTel xazebze

laparakobs, miSelis Camosvlis

Semdeg es wiTeli xazebi,

Turme, aRaraa da xvdeba, rom

gauZlebs. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

„ocneba” Tavs gaimarTlebs,

gasagebia, rom uvizo mimosvla

Sewyda, magram ai, germaniaSi

dasaqmebis msurvelebs vagza-

vniT da meti raRa gindaTo?

_ es dasaqmeba vis rad unda?

Cemi qveyana Cems qveyanaSi ver

masaqmebs da sadRac miSvebs! ise,

vin Tqva, rom germaniam xeli

moawera dokuments, romlis

Tanaxmadac Cvens datreningebul

xalxs daasaqmebs? aseTi dokumenti

arsebobs?

_ aseTi dokumenti arc me

minaxavs. metic: cnobilia, rom

germania saqarTvelodan das-

aqmebis mxolod 500 msurvels

miiRebs.

_ xuTasi ki ara, ganacxadi 50

aTasze metma Seavso da raze vlaparakobT?

iciT, am xuTass ad-

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lustrireba moaxdina!~

amianzec ratomaa moTxovna?

_ ratom?

_ „ocneba” germanias exveweba,

iqneb, Cveni moaqalaqeebi daasaqmoo.

erTi sityviT, aseT marazmul

situaciaSi varT!

ise, sityvam moitana da Zalian

sasacilo raRacebi xdeba. ai, magaliTad,

ramdenime dRis win

sus-is ufrosis pirveli moadgile

xojevaniSvili gadadga,

romelic gaxarias kadrad miiCneoda.

xojevaniSvili is maRal-

Cinosani iyo, romelTanac nebismier

saxelmwifo uwyebaSi nebismieri

TanamSromlis miReba

Tanxmdeboda, anu xojevaniSvili

wyvetda, esa Tu is piri im politikuri

gemovnebis iyo Tu ara,

rom muSaoba romelime administraciul

organoSi daewyo.

ai, qveyana am mdgomareobaSia

da vinme metyvis, rom eseni krizisidan

gamosvlaze fiqroben? _

ara! eseni kriziss SeeCvivnen da

es krizisi maTi arsebobisTvis

mniSvnelovania.

_ anu „ocneba” xelisuflebis

SenarCunebas krizisiT cdi-

lobs?

_ diax da Tu 15 marts SeTanxmeba

ar iqneba, amiT saxelmwifo

da TiToeuli Cvengani daziandeba!

ivaniSvilis reJimi swored

aqeTken midis! Tu gaxsovT, viRacebi

ambobdnen, RaribaSvils

Tavisi amomrCeveli hyavso.

_ diax, amis Sesaxeb msmenia,

anu RaribaSvili „ocnebis” momxreTa

garkveul segmentSi pop-

ularulia...

_ uazro, destruqciuli da

xisti ritorikis mqone politikoss

mxardamWerebis Tavisi segmenti

hyavs da swored am segmentze

muSaobs, rom rame SerCes.

_ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma-

gram politikur krizisze gar-

kveuli pasuxismgebloba, Cemi

azriT, opoziciasac ekisreba,

anu xelisufleba ambobs, Tu

melia giraos gadaixdis, sapyro-

bilidan gamovuSvebo. CvenTvis

rom vTqvaT, samarTlebrivad es

xom swori da kanonieri midgo-

maa?

_ „ocnebam” kanoni maSin daar-

Rvia, roca melia daiWira.

_ ganaCeni sasamarTlom gam-

oitana da „ocneba” ra SuaSia?

_ sasamarTlom ukanono gadawyvetileba

gamoitana, radgan

igi, realurad, politikuri devnis

instrumentad iqca!

saerTod, aRkveTis RonisZiebad

patimrobis gamoyenebas Tavisi

winapirobebi aqvs _ magali-

Tad, mimalvis an mtkicebulebebis

ganadgurebis safrTxe unda

arsebobdes. melias SemTxvevaSi

ki aqedan erTi standartic ar

daicves.

_ ki batono, magram sasamarTlos

ganaCeni saxelmwifos sis-

ruleSi rom ar moeyvana, es xom

kidev erTi ukanonoba iqneboda?

_ diax, sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba

aucileblad unda

`sasamarTlom ukanono gadawyvetileba gamoitana, radgan igi, realurad,

politikuri devnis instrumentad iqca! saerTod, aRkveTis RonisZiebad

patimrobis gamoyenebas Tavisi winapirobebi aqvs - magaliTad, mimalvis an

mtkicebulebebis ganadgurebis safrTxe unda arsebobdes. melias SemTxvevaSi

ki aqedan erTi standartic ar daicves~

Sesruldes, magram arsebobs

sasamarTlos ukanono gadawyvetileba.

_ am gadawyvetilebis ukanon-

oba isev im sasamarTlom unda

daadginos, romelmac pirvande-

li gadawyvetileba gamoitana?

_ es saqme strasburgamde miva!

_ vnaxoT, magram e. w. melias

krizisis mogvareba samarT-

lebrivad rogor SeiZleba?

_ am saqmeze isev ivaniSvilis

sasamarTlom unda imsjelos!

raki sasamarTlos SevexeT, erT

mniSvnelovan detals gavusvam

xazs, romelzedac aqcenti

aravis gaukeTebia.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ gaxarias gadadgoma swored

am sakiTxs mohyva.

_ diax, es cnobilia.

_ aq erTi niSandoblivi garemoebaa:

gaxaria gamovida da, praqtikulad,

Tqva, aseT viTarebaSi

melias dapatimrebas ar veTanxmebio.

aqve, „SuSis sasaxleSi” murusiZis

vizitic ar unda dagvaviwydes.

_ saubari saiTken migyavT,

giorgi?

_ melias dakaveba politikuri

dakveTa iyo, romelic „SuSis

sasaxlidan” modioda da am, praqtikulad,

specoperaciaze premieri

Tanaxma ar iyo.

mokled, yvelafer amiT is dadasturda,

razedac wlebia,

vsaubrobT _ ivaniSvili yvelafers

ise marTavs, rogorc unda.

gaxariam amis lustrireba moax-

`melias dakaveba politikuri dakveTa iyo,

romelic `SuSis sasaxlidan~ modioda da am,

praqtikulad, specoperaciaze premieri Tanaxma

ar iyo. mokled, yvelafer amiT is

dadasturda, razedac wlebia, vsaubrobT -

ivaniSvili yvelafers ise marTavs, rogorc

unda. gaxariam amis lustrireba moaxdina, Tan

pasuxismgeblobisgan ganTavisuflebasac Seecada

da ivaniSvils, praqtikulad, xeli daado!~

dina, Tan pasuxismgeblobisgan

ganTavisuflebasac Seecada da

ivaniSvils, praqtikulad, xeli

daado!

_ geTanxmebiT, magram konkretulad

gekiTxebiT da konkret-

ulad mipasuxeT: xelisuflebam

melia politikuri SeTanxmebis

safuZvelze rom gamouSvas, es

kanonis darRveva iqneba Tu ara,

anu samarTlebrivi CarCodan

kidev erTxel xom ar gavalT?

_ prokuraturam ganacxada,

sasamarTloSi aRkveTis RonisZiebis

Secvlis SuamdgomlobiT

Seval, Tu melia giraos gadaixdiso,

magram esec arasworia.

_ ratom?

_ adamiani patimrobaSia da

girao rogor unda gadaixados?

_ es kiTxvac logikuria, magram

kiTxvaze mainc ar mpasux-

obT, anu Tu politikuri SeTanxmeba

moiTxovs, kanonis dar-

Rveva „mosula”?

_ saerTod, aRkveTis RonisZiebis

ama Tu im saqmes saxelmwifo

braldeba, anu prokuratura

iTxovs, Tumca prokuraturas

imis diskreciac (moqmedebis

Tavisufleba, _ red.) aqvs, rom

Tundac dRes aRkveTis RonisZiebis

sxva forma moiTxovos da

es kanondarRveva ar iqneba, Tumca

aq mTavari sxva ramea.

_ kerZod?

_ piradad me meqmneba STabe-

Wdileba, rom prokuratura finansuri

aqtivebis biuros msgavsad

iqceva.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ saxis SenarCunebas cdilobs

da, erTi mxriv, ambobs, aRkveTis

RonisZieba gamoyenebuli unda

iqneso. arada, Teoriulad imis

SesaZlebloba arsebobda, rom

nika melias aRkveTis RonisZiebis

gareSe datoveba SesaZlebeli

iyo. meore mxriv ki imijisTvis

ise iqceva, TiTqos aRkveTis

RonisZiebis Sesacvlelad mzadaa,

magram, amave dros, melias

sTavazobs, rom ukan daixios.

_ melias ukan daxeva imas ni-

Snavs, rom girao gadaixados?

_ diax, Tumca melia giraos

imitom ar ixdis, rom saqme

ukanonobasTan gvaqvs.

erTi sityviT, xelisufleba,

realurad, Tavis politikas agr-

Zelebs da mere Tu giraos gadaixdida,

ityoda, ai, meliam yvelaferi

gaiazrao, anu misgan antigmirs

Seqmnis, Torem didi

xania, xelisuflebis moqmedebebi

samarTlebriv CarCoSi aRar

jdeba! sarTod, arCevnebis gayalbebis

Semdeg am tipis xelisuflebasTan

samarTlebriv sakiTxebze

laparaks azri aRar aqvs!

roca uamravi adamianis fundamentur

uflebas fexqveS gaTelav,

iq samarTlebrivi CarCoebi

aRar arsebobs, miSelic swored

amitom Camovida da pirdapir

Tqva, 15 martamde problemis

gadaWris gzebze SeTanxmdiTo.

_ giorgi, erTsac gkiTxavT

da dagemSvidobebiT: yvelafer

zemoTqmulis fonze, opozicia

saprotesto aqciebs, minimum,

„alaiTebs”, Sesabamisad, saprotesto

muxtic vardeba. gamorcixavT,

rom opoziciis garkveu-

li nawili „ocnebasTan” iyos

garigebuli da aqciis formebic

amitom Searbiles?

_ esec miSelis vizitTanaa

dakavSirebuli, anu opoziciam

yvelas unda aCvenos, rom dialogs

ki ar gaurbis da damabrkolebel

garemoebebs ki ar

qmnis, aramed surs, rom saxelmwifo

interesebis sasikeTod

SeTanxmebas konstruqciul Car-

CoebSi miaRwion. ise, opoziciam

ki ar Tqva, aqciebi aRar iqnebao,

ubralod, droebiT forma Secvala,

anu xelisuflebas garkveuli

„drois derefani” misca, raTa

SeTanxmeba moxdes!

swored aqedan Cans, rom

opozicias xelisuflebaze meti

pasuxismgebloba aRmoaCnda, radgan

absluturad saxelmwifoebrivad

moqmedebs!

_ e. i., opozicia mxolod

politikurad ki ara, samarT-

lebrivadac swored moqmedebs?

_ diax.

_ giorgi, roca es bakqanalia

damTavrdeba, Tqven, rogorc

iurists, „ocnebis” bedi rogor

warmogidgeniaT?

_ „ocnebas” umZimesi bedi elodeba

da amaSi Rrmad var darwmunebuli.

warsuli gamocdilebidan,

vfiqrob, Cveni sazogadoeba

iqamde mivida, rom yvela is

danaSauli, romelic „ocnebam”

Caidina, samarTlianma sasamarTlom

Sesabamisad unda azRvevinos!

_ qarTul sisxlis samarTlis

kodeqsSi iseTi muxlebi arsebobs,

romliTac „ocnebas”, min-

imum, politikuri danaSauli-

sTvis moeTxoveba pasuxi?

_ „ocnebis” mier Cadenil

mTel rig danaSaulebTan dakav-

SirebiT, ra Tqma unda, aseTi

muxlebi arsebobs!

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romel politikur ZalebTan

TanamSromlobs dasavleTi? vis

interesebs atareben prodasav-

luri imijis mqone partiebi?

rogor „gulaoben” rusuli

specsamsaxurebi saqarTveloSi?

_ amis Sesaxeb mamuka giorgaZe

„qronika+”-s esaubreba:

_ qveyanaSi arsebul viTarebaze

xelisuflebasa da mis oponentebs

gansxvavebuli poziciebi

aqvT. erTni aRiareben kriz-

isis arsebobas, meoreni _ ara.

Tqven ras fiqrobT, aris Tu ara

krizisi?

_ qveyanaSi Seqmnilia urTulesi

mdgomareoba. politikur

enaze amas krizisi hqvia. saxelmwifoebrivi

cxovreba Camkvdaria,

qveyana klanebs Soris sabrZolo

sivrced gadaiqca. politikuri

procesis ganviTareba maT Soris

brZolas ewireba. amas TiToeuli

Cvengani sakuTar tyavze vgrZnobT.

es yvelaferi aisaxeba Cvens

socialur Tu politikur yofa-

Si, teritoriuli mTlianobis

aRdgenis Temebze, ekonomikaze.

lamis, naxevar saqarTvelos fsiqozi

aqvs.

Cvens tyavze gamocdiliT Tu

ver vakeTebT daskvnas ucxoelebs

mainc davujeroT. Camovida

miSeli da Riad gviTxra, _ xalxo,

ras akeTebT, imxela gamowvevebis

winaSe dgaxarT, rasac axla Tqven

SvrebiT, ar SeiZleba, normalurma

saxelmwifom gaakeToso.

Cvenma dasavleTelma megobrebma

gviTxres martivi WeSmariteba,

rom qveyana warmatebas ver

miaRwevs, Tu sasamarTlo ar aris

damoukidebeli. ixmares termini

politikuri sasamarTlo, polarizebuli

sazogadoeba. patara

bavSvebiviT agviwia yurebi

miSelma da pirdapir gviTxra, xelisuflebis

gadanawilebaze ifiqreT

da daamTavreT sabWoTa

kavSirio. ar SeiZleba, mxolod

erT partias erqvas progresi da

reformebis gamtarebeli, xolo

danarCeni debilebad da kretinebad

gamocxaddes.

_ yvelaferi erTi partiis

xelSi rom ar unda iyos, es

Cvenc gadasarevad viciT, ma-

gram, ratomRac, iseT arCevans

vakeTebT, rom yvelaferi erT

partias uvardeba xelSi.

arCevnebic yalbdeba, magram

raRac xom Cveni bralic aris?

raRacaze sazogadoebamac xom

unda vagoT pasuxi?

_ qveyanaze erT partias rom

aqvs diqtati damyarebuli, es

Cveni bralia. arCevnebi rom yalbdeba,

amazec Cven varT pasux-

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`saqarTveloSi rusulma

erovnuli moZraobis erT-erTi

Sorena marsagiSvili

lideri, mamuka giorgaZe, pes-

599 92 16 22

imizmiT uyurebs axali erovnul-

ganmaTavisuflebeli moZraobis

Seqmnas. misi TqmiT, aseTi moZraoba maSin iqmneba, roca qvey-

anas damoukidebloba dakarguli aqvs. giorgaZes arc mesame

Zalis Seqmnis sjera. ambobs, rom e. w. mesame Zala politikur

arenaze xelisuflebis nebarTviT gamodis. misTvis mTlad

gasagebi arc erTpartiul parlamentze atexili vaiuSvele-

belia. ambobs, rom oc welze metia, rac saqarTvelos erT-

partiuli parlamenti hyavs.

599 92 16 22 mamuka giorgaZe:

ismgebeli. am 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi

normaluri unar-Cvevebis

mqone adamianebi nel-nela CamovacileT

saxelmwifoebriv cxovrebas.

wina planze wamowies

teqnikuri partiebi da samoqalaqo

aqtivistebi. dRes saqarTveloSi

samoqalaqo aqtivisti gaxda

profesia.

_ ar aris samoqalaqo aqtiv-

isti profesia?

_ ara! es rogor SeiZleba,

profesia iyos?! adamianebi bunebiT

unda iyvnen aqtivistebi da

samoqalaqo cxovrebas ewodnen.

Cvens SemTxvevaSi es profesia

gaxda. arasamTavroboebma miziduloba

dakarges. axla samoqalaqo

aqtivistebia modaSi. monopolizaciisken

wavida saqme da im

niSnulamde mivediT, rom bolo

20 wlis manZilze parlamentSi ar

yofila saxelmwifoebrivi sityva

naTqvami. afxazeTisa da cxinvalis

problemis mogvarebaze

didi xania, ar usaubriaT qveynis

umaRless sakanonmdeblo organoSi.

_ dakargul teritoriebs

aRarc ki axseneben, TiTqos

araferi dagvikargavs.

_ zedmeti Tavmdablobis gareSe

vityvi, rom am Temaze saubari

mas Semdeg dasrulda, rac saxalxo

partia aRar aris parlamentSi.

yvelaze aqtualuri Tema

bolos iyo daviTgarejis sakiTxi.

aravin saubrobs imaze, ra

eSveleba am saqmes. amis nacvlad

mTeli eri imas arkvevs, damna-

Saveebi arian Tu ara iliCova da

melaSvili. yvelaferi irakli

RaribaSvilma rogor icis, viRacasac

hkiTxos rame. CvenTan xom

asea _ yvelaferi im kacma icis,

vinc qveyanas marTavs. jer kidev

ori kviris win aseTi giorgi gaxaria

iyo, axla yvelafrismcodne

RaribaSvilia. is rom wava premierobidan,

misi Semcvleli gaxdeba

yvelafrismcodne. weliwadze

metia, rac pandemiaa saqarTveloSi

da mxolod axla viwyebT

vaqcinebze saubars. rodis Semoitanen

vaqcinas, es aravin icis.

Zalian vemsgavsebiT sabWoTa

kavSirs. rogorc maSin, axlac

yvela Tema politikaze gadis.

politikaze gadis iseTi Tema,

rogoricaa vaqcinacia da hesebis

mSenebloba. fexburTi da ragbic

politikad gadaiqca. es imitom

xdeba, rom saqarTveloSi

totalitaruli reJimi myardeba.

mxolod totalitarul qveyneb-

Sia yvelaferi politika. Tavis

droze, musolini Caeria, rom

italia gamxdariyo msoflio Cem-

`naxevar

saqarTvelos

fsiqozi aqvs~

pioni. argentinis xuntam argentina

gaxada msoflio Cempioni.

_ Cvenebi amaSic ar uqnia RmerTs.

fexburTSi msoflio Cem-

pionebi rom gagvxadon, maT

winaaRmdeg xmis amomRebi aravin

iqneba.

_ am adamianebs ki vicnobT

diqtatorebad, magram isini Cveni

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebze

gacilebiT ufro Tavisuflebi

iyvnen. yvelafers rom

Tavi davaneboT, TviTon movidnen

xelisuflebaSi, aravis winaSe

grZnobdnen Tavs valdebulad da

bma hqondaT Tavis qveyanasTan.

CvenTan ra xdeba?! arc Tavad

aqvT politikuri begraundi, saxelmwifoebriv

aRmSeneblobaSi

monawileoba ar miuRiaT. sxvam

dasva xelisuflebis saTaveSi da

im sxvis winaSe arian angariSvaldebulebi.

dRevandel dRes saSualo

asakis qarTvels erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebel

moZraobaSi Tu

ar aqvs monawileoba miRebuli,

parlamentSi ra unda? dRes moqmedi

politikosebis didi nawili

erovnuli moZraobis mowinaaRmdege

banakSi maxsovs. Cemi Taobis

xalxs vgulisxmob.

Cven xSirad vsaubrobT israelze

da gvainteresebs, Tu

ratom aris es qveyana aseTi Zlieri

da warmatebuli? es qveyana

imitom aris warmatebuli, rom

maTi parlamentis wevrebis 90%-

s israelisTvis brZolebSi aqvs

monawileoba miRebuli. israelis

parlamentSi, sul mcire, aTi

kaci mainc aris yofili generali

an genStabis ufrosi.

_ generaluri Stabis yofili

ufrosi Cvens parlamentSic

aris.

_ ki batono, aris. israelis

parlamentSi mogebuli omebis

generlebi arian. Cvens politikur

liderebs saxelmwifoebriobasTan

bma ar aqvT. bevri

maTgani jarSic ki araa namyofi.

_ jars vin Civis, aqciebzec

ar arian namyofi. dRes xSirad

akritikeben wina xelisuflebas,

magram „nacionalebis” dros isi-

ni mitingze aravis unaxavs.

_ aqciebze ra undodaT? _ im

`Cvens tyavze gamocdiliT Tu ver vakeTebT

daskvnas ucxoelebs mainc davujeroT. Camovida

miSeli da Riad gviTxra, - xalxo, ras akeTebT,

imxela gamowvevebis winaSe dgaxarT, rasac

axla Tqven SvrebiT, ar SeiZleba, normalurma

saxelmwifom gaakeToso~

dros saguldagulod imalebodnen.

bevri maTgani maSin Tavad

iyo „naci”. dRevandel xelisuflebas,

komunistebisa ar iyos,

qveynis pirdapiri marTva aRar

SeuZliaT, amitom SemogvTavazes

tragikomikuri speqtaklebi.

„qarTuli ocnebis” interesebSi

ar Sedis, rom mniSvnelovan Temebze

visaubroT. raRac ganyenebul

Temaze atexen ambavs, mere

„nacmoZraobas” miscemen pasebs.

isini aqedan atexen wivil-kivils.

sabolood, ucxoeli elCebis

TandaswrebiT yvelani daTmobaze

mivdivarT. ratom midixar?

ratom tex am ambavs?

soflebSi bevrgan naxavT Zvel

qoxebs, romlebsac oTxive mxares

barjgebi aqvs Seyenebuli, rom

ar Camoingres. saqarTveloc

CamosaSlelad gamzadebul qoxs

hgavs, romelsac erTi mxridan

„nacmoZraoba” awveba, meore mxares

_ „qarTuli ocneba”. es ma-

Sin, rodesac qarTvel xalxs imis

Sansi aqvs, rom am Zveli qoxis

adgilze kargi saxli aaSenos.

am tragikomikurma situaciebma

erTi Zveli anekdoti gamaxsena:

iaponeli karatistia kaxeT-

Si Camosuli da yvela galaxa.

mixom gamoyo saxlidan Tavi da

ikiTxa, _ wavida is karatistio?

_ kio, _ uTxres. _ awi naxavT, ras

gizamTo! _ daimuqra mixo. asea

„qarTuli ocnebac” _ ucxoelebs

fexqveS egeba, Tavis mosaxleobas

ki etipeba. TiTqos maT moiyvanes

es qveyana pirvelyofili Temuri

wyobilebidan _ dRemde.

_ dRes xSirad saubroben

imaze, rom saWiroa erovnuli

moZraobis Tavidan dawyeba.

opoziciis nawili mzadaa, daiw-

yos axali erovnuli moZraoba.

amas rogor uyurebT?

_ yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT,

axali erovnuli moZraobis

dawyebis msurvelebi Tavidanve

absurdSi arian gaxveulebi. rodesac

saxelmwifo damoukidebelia,

iq erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebeli

moZraoba mTavrdeba. erovnuli

moZraobis mTavari mizani

iyo, saqarTvelos damoukidebloba.

dRes saqarTvelo suverenuli

saxelmwifoa. damoukidebel

saqarTveloSi eseni ra erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebel

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specsamsaxurebma aiSves~

moZraobas iwyeben, iqneb, vinmem

amixsnas? es aris sityvebis Tama-

Si da im didi gegmis nawili, romelic

yvelafris devalvacias

axdens. „nacionalur moZraobas”

SesaZloa, arc undodes xelisuflebis

Secvla.

_ ratom ar unda undodes ar-

sebuli xelisuflebis Secvla?

_ isini „qarTuli ocnebis”

wyalobiT warmoadgenen mTavar

opoziciur Zalas. aqvT gansaku-

Trebuli privilegiebi. imden

sisuleles akeTebs dRevandeli

xelisufleba, rom „nacmoZraobas”

Tavisuflad SeuZlia, Tavi

gaimarTlos. erTic da meorec

qveynis ganviTarebas xels ar

uwyoben. mTeli evropa am or

jgufs dasdevs. maT xelSi asan-

Ti ukaviaT da aqeT-iqiT darbian.

qveyana rom ar gadawvan, maT

amerikelebi da evropelebi ukan

dasdeven. mere elCebi da xelisufleba

etyvian, _ oRond qveyanas

cecxli ar waukidoT, uaress

dReSi ar CagvagdoT, yvela survils

SegisrulebTo. ori wlis

win Cven vambobdiT, rom arCevnebi

panacea araa da mTavari

saarCevno reformaa. amaze aqamde

xmas ar iRebdnen. axla erTxmad

yvirian amaze opoziciis warmomadgenlebi.

_ opoziciis didi nawili

riggareSe arCevnebs iTxovs.

aqvT maT imis Sansi, rom war-

matebas miaRwion?

_ ramis miRweva im SemTxvevaSi

iqneba SesaZlebeli, Tu „qarTul

ocnebas” saarCevno kanonmdeblobas

SevacvlevinebT. gavideT

yvelani erTad quCaSi da davdgeT.

mzad var, „nacionalebis”

gverdiTac ki davdge rusTavelis

gamzirze. „nacionaluri mo-

Zraoba” mwvaved ar ayenebs sakiTxs,

eSinia, raime axali Zala ar

gamoCndes, romelic maT CaaCo-

Cebs. dRes „nacionalebs” yvelaze

metad komfortis dakargva

afrTxobT.

saqarTveloSi Tu normaluri

Zala gamoCnda da iman aiRo iniciativa

sakuTar Tavze, aseT Sem-

TxvevaSi vis rad unda „nacebis”

iniciativebi? „ocneba” yovelTvis

„igulavebs” manam, sanam opoziciaSi

„nacionaluri moZraobaa”

mTavari Zala. „nacionalebi”

manamde „igulaveben”, sanam

axali Zala ar gamoCndeba. aseTma

Zalam, Tu is gamoCndeba, saku-

Tar Tavze unda aiRos iniciativa.

dadges „ocnebasTan” pirispir

da daamarcxos is. „nacionalebi”

da „meocnebeebi” erTmaneTSi ise

arian gadajaWvulebi, rom

xvrels ar toveben, romliTac

politikur asparezze axali

Zala SeZlebs Sesvlas.

saWiroa principuli poziciis

dakaveba. erTi barjgi rom

gamovacaloT dangreul qoxs, is

Camoiqceva da gaCndeba axali saxlis

aSenebis saSualeba. Cven

romelime Zala unda movaSoroT

qoxs. sxvanairad axal saxls ver

avaSenebT. zogadi lozungebi,

`Zalian vemsgavsebiT sabWoTa kavSirs. rogorc maSin, axlac yvela Tema

politikaze gadis. politikaze gadis iseTi Tema, rogoricaa vaqcinacia da

hesebis mSenebloba. fexburTi da ragbic politikad gadaiqca. es imitom

xdeba, rom saqarTveloSi totalitaruli reJimi myardeba. mxolod

totalitarul qveynebSia yvelaferi politika. Tavis droze, musolini

Caeria, rom italia gamxdariyo msoflio Cempioni. argentinis xuntam

argentina gaxada msoflio Cempioni~

rom arc „qoci” da arc „naci”

zRaprebia.

_ zRaprebi ratom aris?

_ realoba sul sxvanairia.

aseTi zRaprebi erovnuli moZraobis

drosac gvinaxavs. raRac

konfliqturi situacia Tu Seiqmneboda

partiebs Soris, maSinve

saidanRac gamorbodnen Semrigebeli

partiebi. isini ramdenime

Tve gamodiodnen mowodebebiT,

SerigdiT xalxoo da Semdeg Tavad

xdebodnen konfliqtis mxare.

aseTi ambebi bevri gvinaxavs.

imaze yvirili, rom saWiroa

mesame Zala, beletristikaa. rame

Tu ginda, wina planze unda gamoxvide,

Cawio „nacmoZraoba” da

Seawuxo „qarTuli ocneba”. Cven-

Tan principebisTvis brZola aravis

unda _ an wadis vyvirivarT,

an _ gaumarjos. diskusiasa da

samuSao viTarebas Cven ar vcnobT.

Cven arc imis Tqma viciT

oponentisTvis, _ am nawilSi geTanxmebi

da amaSi _ ara. CvenTan

politikur Zalebs an mtrebad,

an gadamrCenlebad aRiqvamen.

gasul wels daviTgarejis

saqmeze ori mecnieri daakaves.

sazogadoebis nawili iliCovasa

da melaSvils mtrebad miiCnevs,

nawili _ gmirebad. aseTi damokidebuleba

ar gvaZlevs ganvi-

Tarebis saSualebas. arc „nacionalebs”

da arc „ocnebas”

qveyana ar ainteresebT. isini

saqarTvelos, rogorc sayvlefs,

ise uyureben.

_ marTalia, mesame Zala ar

mogwonT, magram aSkaraa, rom

gamosavals mesame Zalis gamoCe-

naSi xedavT.

_ mTavaria, gamoCndes principuli

Zala da ginda mesame

uwodon sakuTar Tavs da ginda,

`yvelaferi irakli RaribaSvilma rogor icis,

viRacasac hkiTxos rame. CvenTan xom asea -

yvelaferi im kacma icis, vinc qveyanas marTavs.

jer kidev ori kviris win aseTi giorgi gaxaria

iyo, axla yvelafrismcodne RaribaSvilia~

_ meaTe. mesame ZalasTan dakav-

SirebiT mware gamocdileba

maqvs. am mware gamocdilebidan

gamomdinare, SemiZlia giTxraT,

Tu ra igulisxmeba mesame Zala-

Si. mesame Zala xelisuflebis

mimarT yovelTvis loialurad

aris ganwyobili. mesame Zalas

politikur moedanze gamosvlis

uflebas xelisufleba aZlevs.

Zalian didi ambebia atexili

erTpartiul parlamentze. ise

xataven suraTs, TiTqos erTpartiuli

parlamenti saqarTvelos

arasdros hyolia.

_ komunistebis Semdeg aRar

gvyolia erTpartiuli parla-

menti.

_ Cemi azriT, 1999 wlis mere

saqarTvelos sul erTpartiuli

parlamenti hyavs.

_ ratom fiqrobT, rom wina

mowvevis parlamentebi erTpar-

tiuli iyo?

_ 1999-2003 wlebis mowvevis

parlamentSi „mrewvelebi” SevardnaZem

gaiyvana. 2008-2012

wlebis mowvevis parlamentSi

„qdm” miSas daxmarebiT Sevida.

_ im mowvevis parlamentSi,

sadac „mrewvelebi” SevardnaZem

Seiyvana, „aRorZinebac” iyo.

_ „aRorZinebac” xelisuflebasTan

iyo dakavSirebuli. oc

welze metia, saqarTvelos erTpartiuli

parlamenti hyavs da,

ratomRac, axla gaxda es Tema

aqtualuri. mTeli rigi partiebi

cdiloben, rom xelisuflebas

Tavi moawonon da sTxoven, damrTeT

neba, rom asparezze gamovideo.

amis nebarTva ki ar unda

aiRo, aramed yvelaferi Tavad

unda gaarRvio. Tavad unda

gamoxvide arenaze da xelisuflebas

ukan daaxevino.

seriozul problemad mimaCnia

xelovnuri polarizacia. xelovnuri

polarizacia am qveyanas

sikeTes ar moutans. Cven rom

vCxubobdeT imaze, Tu rogor

movagvaroT afxazeTisa da cxinvalis

Tema da rogor gadavWraT

garejis problema, es iqneboda

jansaRi procesi. jansaRi procesi

iqneboda aseve, Tuki memarjveneebsa

da memarcxeneebs

Soris warimarTeboda ideologiuri

dapirispireba. razedac

axla Cven vdaobT, es mTlianad

gvangrevs. xelovnuri polarizacia

Zalian saSiSia qveynisTvis.

xelovnuri polarizacia unda

davasruloT da asparezze gamovides

TviTkmari, konkurenciis

unaris mqone politikuri Zala.

am axal ZalaSi viRacis xelis

biWebi ar unda iyvnen. TviTkmar

da erTmaneTTan SeduRabebul

adamianebs SeuZliaT arsebuli

viTarebis radikalurad Secvla.

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, isev Zvel

gzas gavagrZelebT _ rodesac

kompartia transformirda „moqalaqeRa

kavSirad”, „moqkavSiri”

_ „nacionalur moZraobad”, „nacionaluri

moZroba” ki „qarTul

ocnebad” gadaiqca. dRes saqarTveloSi

arsebuli viTareba ruseTisTvis

Zalian noyieri niadagia.

Tamamad SemiZlia giTxraT,

rom dRes saqarTveloSi ruseTis

specsamsaxurebma aiSves.

_ raSi gamoixateba?

_ yvelaferSi. ra gadawyvetilebasac

undaT, imas Rebulobs

saqarTvelos mTavroba. viszec

undaT, imaze ayidineben miwas.

visac unda, imas aZleven Cvens

simdidreebs. aqedan gamomdinare,

ruseTs urCevnia, rom saqarTvelos

saTaveSi fsevdoprodasavluri

Zalebi iyvnen, romlebic,

sinamdvileSi, moskovisTvis sasargeblo

garemos Seqmnian da ruseTi

miiRebs imas, rac mas surs.

_ dasavleTi amas ver xvdeba?

_ dasavleTma yvelaferi

Zalian kargad icis.

_ amaze ratom ar aqvT rea-

gireba?

_ maT ar gaaCniaT Cvens Sida

politikur procesebze zemoqmedebis

berketebi. isini yuradRebiT

akvirdebian aq mimdinare

procesebs. rogorc ki romelime

mxare asanTs waukidebs, mivardebian

da exvewebian, oRond cecxls

nu gaaCenT da jandabas,

rogorc xarT, iyaviT iseo. Tqven

Tu ar ganaRvlebT es qveyana,

Cven vnerviulobT maszeo.

moskovisgan gansxvavebiT, dasavleTi

arc erT qveyanaSi ar qmnis

agentebisgan Tavis dasayrden

Zalas. dasavleTi arsebul ZalebTan

TanamSromlobs.

_ mniSvneloba ar aqvs,

rogorebi iqnebian es arsebuli

Zalebi?

_ arsebuli Zalebi SeiZleba

kargi iyos an cudi, SeiZleba

Zalian cudi, magram dasavleTi

arsebulTan amjobinebs Tanam-

Sromlobas. 30 wlis ganmavloba-

Si egvipteSi xosni mubaraqTan

TanamSromlobdnen. panamaSi noriegasTan

hqondaT kavSiri. masze

reigans aqvs naTqvami, _ viciT,

rom TaRliTia, magram Cveni TaRliTia.

dasavleTi im ZalebTanac

iTanamSromlebs, romelic saqar-

TveloSi momavalSi Seiqmneba.

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skandali erovnul bankSi _

kompania `velss~ seb-i ebrZvis

me-17 gverdidan

am da araerTi urTierTsapirispiro

moTxovnidan Tu argumentidan

gamomdinare, naTelia, rom

koba gvenetaZes hqonda marto

erTi survili _ gaeqro Cveni

kompania am bazridan da kompaniis

funqcionirebis dros iyenebda

yvela xerxs am miznis misaRwevad.

rodesac miviReT Setyobineba,

rom iwyeboda administraciuli

warmoeba, ra drosac maregulirebel

organos evaleba

hqondes mWidro komunikacia regulirebas

daqvemdebarebul pir-

Tan, raTa detalurad Seiswavlos

absoluturad yvela garemoeba

Tu faqti, romelic Sei-

Zleba safuZveli gaxdes imisa,

rom kompanias gauuqmdes licenzia,

erovnulma bankma daaignora

Cveni yvela komunikacia, xolo

administraciuli warmoebis 1-

Tviani vadis gasvlamde 10-ze

meti dRiT adre, yovelgvari instruqciebis,

komunikaciisa Tu

msjelobis gareSe, gaauqma Cveni

licenzia.

_ licenziis gauqmebas ra

konkretuli Sedegebi mohyveba?

_ licenziis gauqmeba niSnavs

Cveni momxmareblebis investiciebis

likvidacias. damoukidebel

auditors davaTvlevineT da davadasturebineT

is ziani, romelic

kompaniis licenziis am etapze

gauqmebiT mogvadgeboda da auditis

mier dadasturda, rom potenciuri

ziani 9,4 milion lars

aRemateba (aRsaniSnavia, rom manam,

sanam auditi daiTvlida zians,

Cvenma gundma daaxloebiTi cifri

miawoda saqarTvelos erovnul

banks da Seatyobina potenciuri

zianis Taobaze, rac, agreTve,

ignorirebul iqna).

am etapze, Cveni gundi maqsimalurad

cdilobs ipovos gza,

romliTac ar dazaraldeba arc

momxmarebelTa interesebi da

arc Cveni biznesinteresebi. dReisTvis

Cveni klientebi mxarSi

gvidganan da imedi aqvT, rom Sev-

ZlebT optimaluri gamosavlis

moZebnas, Tumca yvelaferi rTuldeba

imiT, rom:

1. saqarTvelos erovnuli banki

aramarTlzomierad iyenebda

da iyenebs Zalauflebas (vinaidan

erovnuli bankis erT-erT yvelaze

mniSvnelovan amocanas warmoadgens

momxmarebelTa interesebis

dacva da rodesac maT Seityves,

rom licenziis gauqmebis

SemTxvevaSi momxmarebelTa ziani

am moculobis iqneboda, maT See-

ZloT moeniWebinaT CvenTvis garkveuli

pirobebis dacviT licenzirebadi

saqmianobis ganxorcielebis

ufleba, ra drosac

klientebis zarals Tavidan aicilebdnen,

Tumca arc 2020 wlis

14 Tebervlis SezRudvebis dros

da arc licenziis CamorTmevisas

isini ar xelmZRvanelobdnen momxmarebelTa

interesebiT da erovnuli

bankis pirdapiri motivacia

Cveni kompaniis ganadgureba

iyo);

2. sasamarTlosgan mxardaWera

da samarTliani da kanonieri

gadawyvetilebis gamotana, faqtobrivad,

araa savaraudo, radganac

pirveli instanciis mosamarTlem

aRniSna, rom garkveul

sakiTxebSi gadawyvetilebis miRebaze

kompetencia aqvs saqarTvelos

erovnul banks da ara _ mas.

_ damatebiT ra gzebs mima-

rTeT sakuTari interesebis

dasacavad?

_ Cveni interesebis dasacavad

molaparakebebsa Tu dialogebze

mivdiodiT saqarTvelos erovnul

bankTan, mivmarTeT saqarTvelos

saerTo sasamarTloebs, saqarTvelos

biznesombudsmensa Tu

sxva uwyebebs, Tumca saqarTvelos

erovnuli bankis ukanono

qmedebebi, nebsiT Tu uneblieT,

ver SeaCera verc erTma organom.

_ ra gadawyvetileba miiRo

saqalaqo sasamarTlom?

_ „amdenad calsaxaa, rom licenziis

gaauqmebis Taobaze miRebuli

aqtis moqmedebis SeuCereblobis

SemTxvevaSi, licenziis

mflobelisTvis licenzirebadi

saqmianobis gagrZelebis uflebis

miniWebis Sesaxeb gadawyvetilebis

miRebaze uflebamosil

organos warmoadgens Tavad licenziis

gamcemi organo da ara

sasamarTlo, Sesabamisad, sasamarTlo

moklebulia SesaZleblobas,

imsjelos mosarCelis-

Tvis licenzirebadi saqmianobis

gagrZelebis uflebis miniWebis

sakiTxze”, _ es aris sasamarTlos

gadawyvetileba, romelic ambobs,

rom samarTali me ar mexebao.

_ dReis mdgomareobiT,

Tqvens kompanias saqmianoba Se-

Cerebuli aqvs?

_ samarTlebrivad diax, magram

Cven ar viziarebT seb-is am ukanono

da arasamarTlian gadawyvetilebas.

axali klientebis mom-

am da araerTi urTierTsapirispiro

moTxovnidan Tu argumentidan gamomdinare,

naTelia, rom koba gvenetaZes hqonda marto

erTi survili - gaeqro Cveni kompania am

bazridan da kompaniis funqcionirebis dros

iyenebda yvela xerxs am miznis misaRwevad.

rodesac miviReT Setyobineba, rom iwyeboda

administraciuli warmoeba, ra drosac

maregulirebel organos evaleba hqondes

mWidro komunikacia regulirebas

daqvemdebarebul pirTan, raTa detalurad

Seiswavlos absoluturad yvela garemoeba Tu

faqti, romelic SeiZleba safuZveli gaxdes

imisa, rom kompanias gauuqmdes licenzia,

erovnulma bankma daaignora Cveni yvela

komunikacia, xolo administraciuli warmoebis

1-Tviani vadis gasvlamde 10-ze meti dRiT

adre, yovelgvari instruqciebis, komunikaciisa

Tu msjelobis gareSe, gaauqma Cveni licenzia~

saxureba SevzRudeT, aseve am etapze,

axali depozitebis miRebac.

Tumca vinc gvyavda, maTi platforma

ar SegvizRudavs, radgan

es rom gavakeToT, isini dazaraldebian.

_ rogoria Tqveni samoqmedo

strategia? ra gziT ecdebiT

Tqveni interesebis dacvas?

_ sarCeli ukve mzad gvaqvs da

am gadawyvetilebas saapelacio

sasamarTloSi gavasaCivrebT. garda

amisa, yovelive zemoTqmulidan

gamomdinare, Cven ver vxedavT

sxva gzas garda imisa, rom


ukanono da damazianebeli qmedebebi

gavrceldes media saSualebebiT.

Cvens xelT arsebuli yvela

resursi gamoviyeneT, Tumca

samarTlianobas mainc ver mivaRwieT

da imedi gvaqvs, media

dagvexmareba, rom rogorc sazogadoebam,

ise sxvadasxva organoebma

naTlad dainaxon is ukanonoba,

rasac sCadis saqarTvelos

erovnuli banki da CvenTan

da Cvens momxmareblebTan mimarTebiT

aRdges samarTlianoba.

„qronika+~

daukavSirda

saqarTvelos erovnul banks.

seb-ma kompania „velsis” kiTxvebs

werilobiT upasuxa:

„saqarTvelos erovnuli bankis

erT-erTi ZiriTadi funqciaa

finansuri seqtoris stabiluri

muSaobis xelSewyoba. aRniSnulis

farglebSi erovnuli banki uzrunvelyofs

finansuri seqtoris

gamWvirvalobasa da momxmarebel-

Ta da investorTa uflebebis

daculobas. finansuri seqtoris

stabiluri funqcionireba gulisxmobs

finansuri sistemis mier

ekonomikis grZelvadiani, mdgradi

ganviTarebis xelSewyobas, maT

Soris, finansuri seqtoris gaRrmavebas

da fasiani qaRaldebis

bazris ganviTarebas. amisTvis

mniSvnelovania finansuri Suamavlobis

(maT Soris, sabrokero kompaniebis)

gamWvirvale, kanonTan

Sesabamisi da efeqtiani funqcionireba

da sistemuri riskebis Semcireba.

sabrokero kompaniebis maregulirebeli

CarCos moTxovnebi

da SezRudvebi swored am mizans

emsaxureba.

2018 wlis 11 aprilidan savaWro

platformis saSualebiT (e. w.

foreqs saqmianoba) maRali riskis

Semcveli finansuri instrumentebiT

(binaruli ofcionebi

da kontraqtebi fasTa Soris sxvaobaze)

vaWrobis organizeba

daeqvemdebara erovnuli bankis

mier regulirebas da misi warmoebis

uflebamosileba aqvT mxolod

erovnuli bankis mier licenzirebul

sabrokero kompaniebs.

adgilobriv bazarze arsebuli

gamowvevebisa da saerTaSoriso

gamocdilebis gaTvaliswinebiT,

2018 wlis 14 ivnisidan Zala-

Si Sevida saqarTvelos erovnuli

bankis mier SemuSavebuli wesi

„maRali riskebis Semcveli finansuri

instrumentebiT vaWroba-

Si CarTuli sabrokero kompaniebis

damatebiTi regulirebis Sesaxeb”.

foreqs saqmianobis damatebiTi

regulaciis mizania, erTi

mxriv, investorebis interesebis

dacva da, meore mxriv, foreqs

kompaniebis finansuri, saoperacio

da reputaciuli riskebis

Semcireba.

Sesabamisi riskebisa da kanonmdeblobiT

gansazRvrul moTxovnebTan

Seusabamobis gamovlenis

mizniT, saqarTvelos erovnuli

banki, misTvis miniWebuli mandatis

farglebSi, mudmivad axorcielebs

zedamxedvelobas

daqvemdebarebuli subieqtebis

saqmianobis Sefasebasa da monitorings.

aRniSnuli procesebis

safuZvelze, darRvevebis seriozulobidan

gamomdinare, xorcieldeba

Sesabamisi sazedamxedvelo

qmedebebi. calkeuli subieqtebisTvis

SezRudvebis dawesebis

mTavari mizania momxmarebelTa/investorTa

uflebebis

dacva da riskebis Semcireba.


prezidentis 2021 wlis 18

Tebervlis #12 gankargulebiT,

ss „sabrokero da aqtivebis mmar-

Tveli kompania velss” (s/n:

406239565) gauuqmda sabrokero

saqmianobis licenzia. kompaniis

saqmianobis Seswavlis Sedegad

saqarTvelos erovnulma bankma

fasiani qaRaldebis Sesaxeb saqar-

Tvelos kanonmdeblobisa da

saqarTvelos erovnuli bankis mi-

TiTebebis araerTi darRveva gamoavlina,

romelTa safuZvelze

kompanias gauuqmda Sesabamisi

licenzia.

erovnuli bankis prezidentis

2021 wlis 18 Tebervlis #12

gankarguleba da licenziis

gauqmebis safuZvlebi gamoqvey-

nebulia Semdeg misamarTze: https:/

/matsne.gov.ge/document/view/

5105766?publication=0. amasTan,

erovnuli bankis mier gatarebuli

sazedamxedvelo RonisZiebebi

da sanqciebi warmoadgens konfidencialur

informacias da

misi mesame mxareebisTvis gadacema

SesaZlebelia mxolod kanonmdeblobiT

pirdapir gansazRvrul

SemTxvevebSi da wesiT.

erovnuli banki mouwodebs

moqalaqeebs, saSuamavlo saqmianobisTvis

isargeblon mxolod

licenzirebuli sabrokero kompaniis

servisebiT, xolo licenziis

gareSe zemoaRniSnuli servisebis

ganxorcielebis aRmoCenis

SemTxvevaSi, dauyovnebliv mimarTon

erovnul banks. licen-

zirebuli sabrokero kompaniebis

CamonaTvali SegiZliaT ix-

iloT Semdeg bmulze: https://

www.nbg.gov.ge/index.php?m=487.


saqmianoba da sazedamxedvelo

midgomebi araerTi saerTa-

Soriso avtoritetuli finansuri

gamocemis (Global Finance, Central

Banking, The Banker) mieraa Sefasebuli

da bankis maRal reputaciasa

da warmatebul saqmianobaze

miuTiTebs, raSic gadamwyvet

rols TamaSobs bankSi dasaqmebuli

maRalprofesionalTa gundi.

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2019 wlis 22 noemberi aris TariRi,

rodesac televiziis Sturvali,

mkveTrad politizebuli da

xelisuflebisadmi loialurad

ganwyobili bordis samma wevrma _

Tamila doliZem, soso sturuam da

giga CxartiSvilma _ giorgi koxreiZes

gadasca. swored aqedan iwyeba

aWaris televiziis sainformacio

politikis mkveTri cvlileba

da daZabuloba mTlianad mauwyebelSi.

am droisTvis mauwyeblis datoveba

koxreiZis gamo ramdenime

Jurnalists mouwia, zogic kritikuli

azris gamoTqmisTvis CamoaqveiTes

da televizias ganarides.

am dromde araerTi arasamTavrobo

organizaciis mwvave Sefaseba

dagrovda imis Sesaxeb, rom sazogadoebrivi

mauwyeblis aWaris

televizia sruliad gascda samarTlebriv

CarCoebs da mkveTrad

atarebs mmarTveli gundis politikas.

jer kidev mimdinareobs im

TanamSromelTa sasamarTlo procesebi,

romlebic mauwyeblidan

yovelgvar safuZvels moklebuli

braldebebis gamo gaaTavisufles.

2020 wlis 31 dekembers giorgi

koxreiZem konkursis gareSe nika

(iakinTe) CxartiSvili pirvel moadgiled

diniSna. faqtma garkveuli

kiTxvis niSnebic gaaCina, Tumca

televiziis HR samsaxuris xelmZRvanel

emzar paqsaZis ganmartebiT,

koxreiZes sruli ufleba hqonda,

moadgile ukonkursod daeniSna.

„qronika+”-is wyaros informaciiT,

nika CxartiSvilis daniSv-

sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis

giga gelxviiZe

aWaris televiziis sainformacio

politika weliwadi da oTxi Tvea,

rac prosaxelisufloa da aqtiurad dgas „qarTuli ocnebis”

samsaxurSi.

na ar yofila SemTxveviTi, is aWaris

mTavrobis xelmZRvanel Tornike

riJvaZis kadria. bolo period-

Si swored CxartiSvili akontrolebda,

Tu ra saxis informacia gan-

Tavsdeboda sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis

aWaris televiziis vebgverdze.

metic: mas Semdeg, rac mauwyebeli

arsasurveli pirebisgan koxreiZis

xeliT „gasufTavda”, misi

impiCmentis sakiTxic aqtiurad

idga dRis wesrigSi. koxreiZis impiCments

bordis warmomadgenelTa

erTi nawilis mxardaWerac hqonda.

magaliTad, soso sturuasTan daaxloebuli

piri gviyveba, rom sturua

erT-erTi iqneboda, romelic

moqmedi direqtoris impiCmentis

sakiTxs mxars dauWerda: „me mxars

davuWer direqtoris impiCmentis

sakiTxs, radganac mimaCnia, rom

mauwyeblis prestiJi direqtoris

impiCmentiT sazogadoebaSi ama-

Rldeba”, _ gviyveba wyaro.

„qronika+~ soso sturuas

daukavSirda:

_ ramdenad realurad idga

dRis wesrigSi moqmed direqtor

giorgi koxreiZis impiCmentis sa-

kiTxi?

_ pirvelad mesmis Tqvengan

aRniSnuli informacia. ramdenadac

CemTvis aris cnobili, arc

giorgi koxreiZis da arc Cemi impiCmentis

sakiTxi dRis wesrigSi ar

dgas.

sturuasgan gansxvavebiT, direqtoris

impiCmentis sakiTxis dRis


brZola aWaris

televiziisTvis

RaribaSvili-riJvaZis

klanebis dapirispireba

wesrigSi arsebobas ar uaryofs

bordis erT-erTi wevri, gia qarcivaZe:

„kuluarulad sxdomebis SigniT

gvisaubria aRniSnulis Sesaxeb,

Tumca arsebobs SiSis faqtori,

ris gamoc seriozulad sakiTxis

ganxilvaze uars acxadeben”.

sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis aWaris

televiziaSi aWaris mTavrobis

xelmZRvanel Tornike riJvaZes

rom poziciebi gamyarebuli aqvs,

es arxis vebgverdidanac kargad

Cans da CvenTan saubarSi bordis

wevri gia qarcivaZec gvidasturebs.

qarcivaZes isic vkiTxeT, Sesa-

Zlebeli iyo Tu ara, nika Cxarti-

Svili televiziis axal direqtorad

gvexila, vinaidan cnobilia misi

axlo kavSiri Tornike riJvaZes-

Tan, razedac qarcivaZem gangvimarta,

rom impiCmentis SemTxvevaSic

ki mxolod erTi Tvis manZilze Se-

Zlebda CxartiSvili direqtoris

movaleobis Sesrulebas, Semdeg ki

direqtoris arCevnebi CainiSneboda,

sadac is Sesabamisi kvalifikaciis

arqonis gamo monawileobas

ver miiRebda.

„qronika+~-s wyaro uyveba, rom

situacia mas Semdeg, Seicvala

mkveTrad, rac xelisuflebis sadaveebi

xelmeored gadaeca irakli

RaribaSvils da ukve meored

mogvevlina premieris rangSi. gamomdinare

iqidan, rom giorgi

koxreiZe mis administraciaSi, SSm

pirTa sakoordinacio sabWoSi,

erT-erTi arasamTavrobo organizaciis

egidiT muSaobda (aRniSnuls

Tavad koxreiZec gvidasturebs),

impiCmentis sakiTxi da mis

adgilze nika CxartiSvilis gadayvana

am etapze aRar ganixileba.

metic: aWaraSi aqtiurad saubroben

imaze, rom centraluri xelisuflebidan

riJvaZes Tanamdebobis

datovebac ki mosTxoves

(aRniSnul sakiTxs siRrmiseulad

„qronika+~ mkiTxvels momdevno

nomrebSi SesTavazebs).

„2013 wels SSm pirTa sakoordinacio

sabWoSi vmuSaobdi, romelic

arsamTavrobo organizaciis egidiT

iyo warmodgenili”, _ gveubneba

koxreiZe.

„qronika+” aqtiurad adevnebs

Tvals sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis

aWaris televiziasa da radioSi

momdinare procesebs.

SegaxsenebT: sazogadoebrivi

mauwyeblis aWaris televiziisa da

radios direqtorad giorgi koxreiZe

2019 wlis 22 noembers samwliani

vadiT airCies. misi direqtorobis

periodSi ki man ukve moaxerxa

mauwyeblisTvis CamoeSorebina

kritikuli kiTxvis damsmeli

Jurnalistebi da garda amisa, swored

koxreiZis direqtorobis periodSi

gasajarovda arxis piradi

kamerebis Canawerebi sadac, Tanam-

SromelTa konfliqturi situacia

iyo asaxuli, rac arasamTavrobo

seqtorma mkveTrad uaryofiTad

Seafasa.

ueqimo soflis ambavi kaxeTidan

sofel zemo kaWreTs me-20 saukuneSi maxaraZ-

maka mosiaSvili

es eZaxdnen. ai, ufro adre ki mas moixseniebdnen

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saxelwodebiT gadrekili. 2012 wels, prezden-

tis brZanebiT, gurjaanis municipalitetis

sofel maxaraZes ukve zemo kaWreTi ewodeba.

sofeli, jer kidev, Sua brinjaos xanaSi

yofila dasaxlebuli. 1970 wels kaxeTis arqeologiurma

eqspediciam Seiswavla gvianbrinjaos

xanis nasadgomris mravaliarusiani

samarovani. samarxebSi aRmoCnda brinjaos

sakidi, miniaturuli bayayebi, sardionis

mZivebi, Tixis sxvadasxva sasmisi da a.

S. Seiswavles aseve „pirdapiri miwebis”,

„Slarti Relis”, „brma wylis” samarovnebi.

soflis arqiteqturuli Zeglebidan aRsaniSnavia

wm. elias ornaviani eklesia (adre

Sua sauk.) da yvelawmindis didi samnaviani

bazilika, romelic mTeli alaznis vels

gadahyurebs.

2002 wlis statistikis monacemebiT, sofelSi

1012 adamiani cxovrobda, 12 wlis Semdeg

ki aq mcxovrebTa raodenoba ganaxevrda

da 2014 wels ukve 671 adamiani Seadgina.

eqvsi wlis Semdeg kvlav Semcirda Tu ara

mcxovrebTa raodenoba, amis oficialuri

statistika ar gagvaCnia, magram arsebobs

bevri mizezi, Tu ratom ar aris sasurveli

am sofelSi cxovreba.

sofeli raionuli centridan, anu gurjaanidan,

38 kilometrSi mdebareobs. soflidan

raionamde mxolod erTi samarSruto

taqsi dadis, isic diliT gamodis da

saRamosken brundeba ukan.

wlebis manZilze, sxva uamrav problemas-

Tan erTad, zemo kaWreTis mosaxleobis er-

Ti nawili wylis gareSe iyo darCenili, nawils

ki xevidan gamoyvanili talaxiani wyali

miewodeboda. adgilobrivebs es problema

ukve wlebia, awuxebdaT, rogorc isini

ambobdnen, maT yuradRebas aravin aqcevda.

problemebidan prioritetuli sakiTxi,

pirvel rigSi, sasmeli wyali iyo, magram

N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.

problema kvlav mougvarebeli rCeboda.

wyali xevidan gmoiyvanes, magram isic WuWyiani

da talaxiani. 2014-2015 wlebSi soflis

es problema mogvarda.

3 wlis winaT zemo kaWreTis kidev erTi

mniSvnelovani problema gadaiWra _ pirvelad

sofelTan damakavSirebeli da Sida

saubno gzebi moasfaltda.

2020 wels gurjaanis maJoritari deputati

daviT sonRulaSvili, gurjaanis municipalitetis

vice-mer Teimuraz zavraSvilTan

da gurjaanis saganmanaTleblo

resurscentris xelmZRvanel dali mindiaSvilTan

erTad zemo kaWreTis sajaro skolas

estumra da skolis axali Senobac

daaTvaliera. zemo kaWreTis sajaro skola

2019 wels aSenda, romelic 125 moswavlezea

gaTvlili. Senoba Tanamedrove standartebis

Sesabamisad aris mowyobili, romelsac

aqvs klas-kabinetebi, laboratoriebi, didi

sportuli moedani da rekreaciuli zonebi.

skola adaptirebulia SezRuduli Sesa-

Zleblobebis mqone moswavleebisTvis. Senobis

mSeneblobisTvis 2 milion 300 aTasi

lari daixarja.

2019 wlis seqtemberSi gurjaanis municipalitetma

„soflis mxardaWeris programis”

farglebSi Seisyida sofel zemo kaWre-

Tis ambulatoriis Senoba. Catarda nawilobrivi

sareabilitacio samuSaoebi, RirebulebiT

27 aTasi lari. saxelmwifo auditma

ki proeqtis daTvalierebisas gamoavlina,

rom obieqti ar funqcionirebs.

ase rom, Tu skola SesaZloa pandemiis

gamo daketili iyos, soflis ambulatoria,

romelic yvelaze metad sWirdeba sofels,

ubralod didi boqlomiT daiketa.

mizezi ki, romlis gamoc soflis erTaderT

samedicino punqts boqlomi Camokides,

ubralod, komikuria.

kerZod, ambulatoria daketili aris

samedicino personalis ararsebobis gamo.

arc meti arc naklebi, ise gailia sofeli,

rom 600 kacSi arc eqimi moiZebna da arc

_ eqTani. amas damatebuli isic, rom arc

sxva soflebidan isurves aq muSaoba. miuxedavad

imisa, rom ambulatoriis samuSaoebis

dasrulebidan gasulia erT welze meti,

meriam auditis jgufs ver warmoudgina

Sesabamisi dokumenturi mtkicebulebebi

imis Sesaxeb, Tu ra qmediTi RonisZiebebi

ganaxorciela obieqtis funqcionirebisTvis,

_ vkiTxulobT saxelmwifo auditis

daskvnaSi.

arada, „soflis mxardaWeris” programa

mimarTulia soflis socialur-ekonomikur

saWiroebaTa gadawyvetisken. Sesabamisad,

meriam procesis organizeba unda uzrunvelyos

imgvarad, rom aRniSnul mizans miaRwion.

meriam Seisyida ambulatoriis reabilitaciis

samuSaoebi, raSic daixarja 27 aTasi

lari. obieqtis Sesyidvidan gavida erT

welze meti, Tumca saboloo Sedegi miRweuli

mainc ar aris da ambulatoria ar funqcionirebs.

_ araferi aris gasakviri, _ ambobs

„qronika+”-sTan kaxeTis leiboristuli

partiis xelmZRvaneli nikoloz vardoS-

vili, _ roca biZina ivaniSvilma mosaxleobas

mouwoda, rom sacxovreblad da samuSaod

saarsebod evropisTvis mieSuraT,

amis mere ra aris gasakviri?! sofeli icleba.

faqtia, ganaxevrda ki ara, meoTxedi dar-

Ca. am soflis dalevisa da gauqmebis mizani

Sedegs uaxlovdeba.

_ Tu sofeli icleba, adamianebi aq aRar

cxovroben, maSin ratom daxarja milionze

meti skolis asaSeneblad saxelmwifom?

_ saxelmwifom ara, es daxarjes viRacis

biZaSvilisTvis an mamidaSvilisTvis, rom

fuli gaekeTebinaT. iq unda daxarjon, sadac

xalxi ar aris da bevri kiTxva aRar iqneba.

sofelSi cxovrobs 600 kaci da aqedan

125 bavSvia. skola 125 bavSvzea gaTvlili?

_ sofelSi 125 bavSvia da ar hyavs eqi-

mi?

_ sofels ar aqvs ambulatoria. Senobas

nu mivaqcevT yuradRebas. ubralod, warmovidginoT:

pandemiaa, ver iZaxeb saswrafos,

112 ar gpasuxobs, ar gaqvs skola.

gyavs moxuci da bavSvi da ar gyavs ojaxis

eqimi. aba, maS, risTvis da visTvis ixarjeba

fuli, xalxo? wavidnen, daufinanson swavla

im soflis bavSvebs, rom gaxdnen eqimebi,

eqTnebi, magram dabrundebian ki soflad,

roca qveynis araformaluri beladi yvelas

germaniaSi epatiJeba marwyvis plantacieb-

Si samuSaod? amas hqvia, rogor unda gejavrebodes

Seni qveyana. nacvlad imisa, adamianebs

sofelSi, pirvel rigSi, eqimi miuyvano,

ras akeTeben, Tavadac ar ician. ambulatoriis

aSenebas ra azri aqvs, Tu eqimi

ar gyavs?! satiralia, sasacilo rom ar iyos.

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ityvis, maSin didi saprotesto

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aseT SemTxvevaSi mizani miRweuli

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Zeldeba!

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itomac ar anaRvlebs.

_ sanqciebi ar aintersebs?

_ diax, ratom gamoricxavT,

baCuki qardava:

òpoziciur

erTobaSi

bzaris gaCena

ivaniSvilisTvis

didi saCuqari

iqneba!~

rom ar ainteresebs?

_ jer erTi, sanqciebi midimodis

ar niSnavs. meorec, sanqciebi

panacea ar aris. sanqciebze

bevrad mtkivneuli berketebi

arsebobs, romlebic demokratiulad

ganviTarebul saxelmwifoebs

aqvT. ase rom, mxolod

sanqciebze nu visaubrebT!

_ sanqciebze bevrad mtkiv-

neuli berketebi, kerZod, ra

aris?

_ es am saxelmwifoebma ukeTesad

ician. erT mxares biZina

ivaniSvili da meore mxares danarCeni

msoflio rogor warmogidgeniaT?

_ es cota sasacilod

ar JRers?! erT mxares putini,

anu atomuri saxelmwifo da meore

mxares danarCeni msoflio

kidev gasagebia, magram imis warmodgenac

ki SeuZlebelia, erT

mxares ivaniSvili rom iyos, meore

mxares ki _ danarCeni msoflio.

_ e. i., baCuki, saubari iqiT-

ken migyavT, rom ivaniSvils

mokavSired SesaZloa, mxolod

ìqneb, biZina ivaniSvilze dasavleTis zewolam

imoqmedos da im miznis miRwevas, rac qarTuli

saxelmwifos demokratiul ganviTarebas

sWirdeba, mSvidobianad da umtkivneulod

mivaRwioT! es zogadi frazebi araa. erTi

sityviT, Tu dasavleTi ivaniSvilze imoqmedebs,

es yvelaze umtkivneulo forma iqneba da

amitomac gvinda, rom es resursi bolomde

gamoviyenoT. dRes xalxs amis imedi aqvs,

magram Tu es imedi gadaiwureba, maSin

erTaderTi gamosavaliRa darCeba - quCaSi

gamoxvide da xelisufleba gareko. es xalxs

araerTxel gaukeTebia!~

putiniRa darCes?

_ ra Tqma unda. dasavleTis

SemoTavazebaze uaris Tqma arCevanis

ruseTis sasargeblod gakeTebas

niSnavs, ruseTis sasargeblo

arCevani ki Zalian bevr ki-

Txvis niSans aCens. es biZina ivaniSvilmac

kargad icis da ar mgonia,

rom amis gakeTeba surdes!

_ ise, ratom fiqrobT, rom

dasavleTisTvis mniSvnelovani

ar aris saqarTvelos xelisu-

flebaSi „ocnebis” yofna?

_ es vin giTxraT? dasavleTisTvis

da, saerTod, demokratiuli

samyarosTvis mniSvnelovani

samarTliani arCevnebia. biZina

ivaniSvilis „ocneba” samarTliani

arCevnebiT mosuli xelisufleba

ar aris! man xelisuflebis

uzurpacia arCevnebis gayalbebiT

moaxdina!

_ mgoni, elisaSvili da igive

„girCic” iTxovs, rom opoziciam

arCevnebis gayalbebis dokumen-

tebi „dados”. sxvaTa Soris, es

azri sozar subarmac ganaviT-

ara...

_ maT Soris gansxvaveba ar

aris.

_ SeiZleba, magram opozicias

Seswevs unari, dokumenturad

daasabuTos, rom 31 oqtombris

arCevnebi gayalbda?

_ subaris mosazrebebi ise-

Tive sainteresoa, rogoric _

elisaSvilis opozicioneroba!

_ aqedan gamomdinare, opoz-

iciis iis Secdoma xom ar iyo, eli-

saSvili Tavisianad rom miaCnda?

_ yvelas Tavisi subieqturi

Sexeduleba aqvs.

_ Tqveni Sexeduleba rogo-

ria da rogori iyo?

_ gansxvavebuli, Tumca axla

amaze ar visaubreb.

_ Tqveni nebaa... iziarebT

mosazrebas, rom opoziciis

saprotesto muxtis mokvlas

giga bokeria cdilobs da amiT

„ocnebas” evaWreba?

_ SeiZleba, Zalian bevrs warmoudgenia,

rom opoziciur er-

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26 N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.

TobaSi bzaris Setana gamosavalia,

magram opoziciaSi bzaris

gaCena biZina ivaniSvilisTvis didi

saCuqari iqneba da imedi maqvs,

aseT saCuqars opoziciidan

aravin gaukeTebs da amis niSanwyalic

ar arsebobs! rac Seexeba

opoziciis SigniT poziciebis

personificirebas, amis momxre

ar var da mxars ar vuWer.

_ ratom?

_ opoziciaSi mxolod bokeria

ki ara, Zalian bevri adamiania

iseTi, romlis poziciac CemTvis

SesaZloa, miuRebeli iyos, Tumca

gadawyvetilebis miRebisas

amas mniSvneloba ar aqvs, radgan

Tu rameze SevTanxmdebiT, yvelam

erTad unda SevasruloT!

_ ki batono, opozicia er-

Tiania, magram kuluarebSi amboben,

melias daWeris mere „na-

cebs” mxolod erTi lideri _

xatia dekanoiZeRa hyavT. amit-

om erTian opoziciaSi lokomotivis

rolis Sesrulebas boke-

ria cdilobso. asea?

_ Tu vinmes xatia TvalSi epataraveba,

Zalian mwared cdeba!

saerTod, sxva partiebze saubari

ar miyvars, magram am SemTxvevaSi

cuds arafers vambob: ar mgonia,

rom „nacionalebSi” lideris

deficiti arsebobdes!

_ ukve daiwyo laparaki, rom

„strategia

aRmaSenebelma”,

„lelom” da elene xoStariam,

SesaZloa, koalicia Seqmnan. es

„nacionaluri

moZraobis”,

rogorc mTavari opoziciuri

Zalis, ukana planze gadawevas

xom ar gamoiwvevs?

_ ar vici... imis miRma, rac

xdeba yvela opoziciur partias

SesaZloa, Tavisi dRis wesrigi

aqvs, magram ar mgonia, rom axla

sakuTari dRis wesrigiT muSaobis

dro ar aris, Tumca arc isaa

problema, Tu vinme sxvanair

gadawyvetilebas miiRebs. saer-

Tod, dRes aseT Temebze aravin

fiqrobs, dRes yvelas safiqrali

mxolod isaa, Cvens saxelmwifos

uzurpatori xelisufleba

rogor movaciloT!

_ vTqvaT, „ocnebam” vadamde-

li arCevnebi 2022 wlisTvis

daniSna. es opoziciisTvis mis-

aRebi iqneba?

_ saqarTveloSi Zalian bevri

politikuri procesi minaxavs.

_ ukacravad, es ra SuaSia?

_ aseTi moqnili opozicia,

romelic Zalian swrafad lavirebs

da gadawyvetilebebsac swrafad

iRebs, iSviaTad minaxavs!

gegma erTia: Tu xelisuflebas

normaluri saubari ar esmis, ma-

Sin im saubars moismens, romelsac

gaigebs! Cven ukan ar davixevT!

_ es gasagebia, magram kiTx-

vaze mipasuxeT: opoziciisTvis

vadamdelis 2022-Si Catareba

misaRebia?

_ e. i., ori weli aralegitimuri

xelisufleba gvyavdes?

_ ar unda gvyavdes, magram

2022 wlis models dasavleTmac

rom dauWiros mxari? isic ar

dagaviwydeT, rom wels, Se-

modgomaze, TviTmmarTvelobis

N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.


dasavleTmac `daikida~!

òpoziciaSi mxolod bokeria ki ara, Zalian

bevri adamiania iseTi, romlis poziciac

CemTvis SesaZloa, miuRebeli iyos, Tumca

gadawyvetilebis miRebisas amas mniSvneloba

ar aqvs, radgan Tu rameze SevTanxmdebiT,

yvelam erTad unda SevasruloT!~

arCevnebia...

_ es gansaxilveli sakiTxia.

isic ar vici, ramdenad SeiZleba,

rom adgilobrivi arCevnebi aralegitimuri

parlamentis galegitimurobas

aswrebdes. Cemi azriT,

yvelaze kargi is ineba, rom

orive arCevnebi erTad Catardes.

_ „ocneba” daTmobaze rom

wamovides, dRis wesrigSi saar-

Cevno kodeqsis Secvla dadgeba,

risTvisac sakonstitucio um-

ravlesobaa saWiro. Sesabamisad,

opozicia iZulebuli gaxdeba,

parlamentSi Sevides...

_ Tu vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis swrafad dasaniSnad

opoziciis moqnili moqmedeba

iqneba saWiro, Cven amisTvis mzad

varT!

_ „ocnebas” sityvaze en-

`rac Seexeba imas, unda iyos Tu ara mixeil

saakaSvilisTvis politdevnilis statusis

miniWeba dRis wesrigSi, dRis wesrigidan

arasodes moxsnila, rom qveyanas

politdevnilebi ar unda hyavdes. miT umetes,

qveynis avtoritetze cudad moqmedebs, rom

yofili prezidenti politdevnilia!~

dobiT, miT umetes, im fonze,

roca 2019 wlis 20 ivnisis Semdeg

ivaniSvilma srulad proporciulis

piroba dado, Tumca,

sabolood, naxevrad pro-

porciuli miviReT...

_ raRac garantiebs aviRebT.

_ kerZod?

_ ise xom ar xdeba, biZinam

SemoTvalos, movifiqre da modiT,

parlamentSi SemodiTo... Tu

„ocnebaSi” da aseve piradad

ivaniSvilis mxridan aseTi gadawyvetileba

iqneba miRebuli, ma-

Sin amas dasavleTidan garantorebic

eyoleba, anu Tu vadamdeli

arCevnebi garantirebulad

dainiSneba, maSin amas parlamentSi

SevuwyobT xels!

_ ar gewyinoT da dasavleli

garantorebis imedi 20 ivnisis

Semdegac gqondaT...

_ yvelafris Sedegs vxedavT...

_ Sedegi isaa, rom „ocneba”

xelisuflebaSi mesame vadiTac

darCa...

_ xelisufleba mitacebulia

da „ocneba” qveyanas ver marTavs.

kidev erTi aseTi nabiji sabolood

bevr rames daasrulebs da

ar mgonia, qarTvelma xalxma

ivaniSvils yvelaferi es SearCinos...

_ ra amis pasuxia da, elene

xoStariam socialur qselSi

dawera, opoziciis gadawyvetilebebi

saakaSvilze araa damokidebulio.

baCuki, Tqveni informaciiT,

opoziciis gadawyvetilebebis

miRebaSi eqs prez-

identi CarTulia?

_ elenes gancxadeba ar minaxavs,

magram saakaSvili is figuraa,

romelic opoziciisTvis

eleqtoralurad erT-erTi yvelaze

mTavari dasayrdenia! aqedan

gamomdinare, rogor warmogidgeniaT,

rom gadawyvetilebebis

miRebaSi ar monawileodbes da

Tavisi sityva, rogorc TanasworTa

Soris Tanaswors, ar eTqmodes?!

_ Tu saakaSvili opoziciisT-

vis eleqtoralurad yvelaze

didi dasayrdenia, maSin amixsen-

iT, mesame prezidentisTvis

politdevnilis statusis mini-

Webis sakiTxs ratom ar ayenebT?

_ opoziciis dRevandeli

moTxovnebi Cveni kargi cxovrebiT

ar aris ganpirobebuli.

_ anu?

_ „ocnebam” opoziciuri partiis

ofisze moulodneli Sturmi

ganaxorciela da aseTi ram

saqarTvelos uaxles istoriaSi

ar maxsovs.

_ Tqven Tu ar gaxsovT, me

gagaxsenebT: 2007 wlis noember-

Si Zalovnebi irakli oqruaSvi-

lis imdroindeli partiis

ofisSi SeuSevs...

_ SeiZleba, magram maSin forma

sxva iyo...

_ imazec SevTanxmdeT, rom

„ocnebas” „nacmoZraobis” ofisi

sastikad ar daurbevia...

_ oqruaSvilis ambavzec igive

pozicia mqonda, rac axla maqvs

_ aseTi raRacebi miuRebelia.

mokled, dRes opozicia imis

mixedviT moqmedebs, ra amocanebsac

mocemuloba usaxavs. rac

Seexeba imas, unda iyos Tu ara

mixeil saakaSvilisTvis politdevnilis

statusis miniWeba

dRis wesrigSi, dRis wesrigidan

arasodes moxsnila, rom qveyanas

politdevnilebi ar unda hyavdes.

miT umetes, qveynis avtoritetze

cudad moqmedebs, rom

yofili prezidenti politdevnilia!

_ im SemTxvevaSi, Tu 15 mart-

is molodini fuWi aRmoCndeba,

anu „ocnebam” araferi daTmo,

procesebi rogor ganviTarde-

ba?

_ bunebiT optimisti var da

Cveni qveynis momavlis mjera.

amitom imedi maqvs, rom „ocneba-

Si” vinmes goniereba eyofa da

xelisufleba sisuleles aRar

Caidens!

_ politikaSi yvelafrisTvis

mzad unda iyoT!

_ diax, asea, magram vnaxoT...

ar minda, trafaretulad gamomivides,

magram Zala aRmarTs

xnavso da dRes Zalebis Tavmoyra

biZinas karze ki ara, misi karis

sawinaaRmdego mxares xdeba. Sesabamisad,

adre Tu gvian, ivaniSvils

im gadawyvetilebis miReba

mainc mouwevs, romliTac xelisufleba

Seicvleba! Tu es

cvlileba nebiT ar moxdeba, ma-

Sin iZulebiT ganxorcieldeba!

_ baCuki, „ocnebidan” opozi-

cias vinme „mesijs” Tu ugzavnis,

ai, mmarTvel Zalas davtoveb da

SemogierTebiTo?

_ aSkaraa, rom gamarjobisa da

mokiTxvis xarisxi gaumjobesda!

_ kerZod?

_ is, rac guSin Tbili ar iyo,

dRes gaxda!

_ e. i., „ocnebaSi” grZnoben,

rom gemi iZireba?

_ mgonia, rom grZnoben.

_ ...ise, koaliciur mTavroba-

Si mTavari Zala „nacionaluri

moZraoba” iqneba?

_ mTavari Zala is iqneba, visac

xalxi mxars dauWers!

_ vadamdel arCevnebze enm-

gaerTianebuli opozicia isev

erT blokad gamova?

_ jer ar vici, mTeli opozicia

erT blokad _ yvelas minus

ivaniSvili gamova, enm iqneba calke

Tu yvela partia _ calke.

dRes ki yvelaze mTavari erTobaa.

asea Tu ise, jini boTlidan

amosulia da ukan aRar dabrundeba!

amitom ukeTesia, Sedegi

rac SeiZleba male dadges, Torem

yvelaferi cnobilia _ es

xelisufleba damarcxebulia!

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gasul kviras Sinagan saqmeTa

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tis winaSe wardga. erTpartiul-

ma parlamentma ministrs rbili

kiTxvebi dausva. amis miuxedavad, vaxtang gomelaurs mainc

mouvida iaRliSi. misma gancxadebebma leiboristuli parti-

is erT-erT lider giorgi gugavas leqso WikaiZe gaaxsena,

romelsac aseve Ss ministris posti ekava. man, jer kidev, ramdenime

wlis winaT gangvicxada, rom kriminali SesaniSnav mdgomareobaSiao.

gugavas TqmiT, dRes kriminali samarTaldam-

cvel uwyebebTan aris kohabitirebuli.

ratom aris kriminali Sesani-

Snav mdgomareobaSi? ras iTxov-

da Tea wulukiani? ra funqcias

asrulebs policia? ra arCevani

unda gaakeTos xalxma? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+”-s gior-

gi gugava esaubreba:

_ „qarTuli ocneba” vaxtang

gomelauris muSaobiT aRfrTo-

vanebulia. maT arc is uCenT

kiTxvebs, ratom ver daakaves

aqamde badri esebua da arc iman

SeuqmnaT uxerxuloba, rodesac

ministrma ganacxada, rom mkv-

lelobis mcdelobebma iklo,

samagierod, mkvlelobis SemTx-

vevebma imatao.

_ „qarTuli ocnebisgan” sxvas

ras unda elodos kaci? Tqven ra

ggoniaT, isini zemodan nebar-

Tvis gareSe vinmes gakritikebas

gabedaven? vaxtang gomelauris

am sulelurma gancxadebebma

„qocebis” erTi Ss ministri gamaxsena,

ramdenime wlis win sixaruliT

rom gvamcno, kriminali

SesaniSnav mdgomareobaSiao.

rodesac Sinagan saqmeTa ministri

amas gveubneba, xom warmogidgeniaT,

rac xdeba.

_ eg ukvdavi fraza leqso

WikaiZes ekuTvnis da im adamianma

simarTle gviTxra, _ kriminali

marTlac SesaniSnav mdgo-

mareobaSia.

_ kriminali rom SesaniSnav

mdgomareobaSia amitom wavida

qveynis saqme ukuRma. kriminali

mas Semdeg aRmoCnda SesaniSnav

mdgomareobaSi, rac xelisuflebis

saTaveSi „qocebi” movidnen.

axla gomelauri gamovida da

amayobs, mkvlelobis mcdelobam

iklo, samagierod, mkvlelobebma

moimatao. imasac ki ver xvdebian,

Tu ras laparakoben. vaxtang

gomelaurma moaxerxa is, rom

policia, romelic qveynis mosaxleobas

unda icavdes da kanonis

sadarajoze idges, ivaniSvilis

Cafrebad, pirad spad da pirad

mcvelebad aqcia. am adamianisgan

sxvas mainc ar velodi.

_ ratom ar elodiT?

_ imitom, rom es adamiani iyo

biZina ivaniSvilis piradi mcveli.

sxva man meti araferi icis.

man mxolod is icis, Tu rogor

daicvas oligarqi. mTeli Sss

ivaniSvilis pirad dacvad gadaaqcia.

es ambavi „qarTul ocnebas”

ar adardebs. amis gamo arc

biZina ivaniSvili wuxs. misTvis

mTavaria, misgan wamosuli

davalebebi zedmiwevniT Sesruldes.

kanoni policiis Sesaxeb da

konstitucia „qarTul ocnebas”

sul fexebze kidia. rac Seexeba

kriminals, dRevandeli xelisufleba

kriminalur samyarosTan

kohabitirda. dRes kriminalebi

Zalian aqtiurad arian CarTulni

politikur saqmianobaSi. isini

erevian arCevnebSi. arc „ocnebis”

politikuri oponentebis

devnas Takiloben. yvelaze samarcxvino

isaa, rom ukanonobas policielebi

da kriminalebi er-

Tad sCadian. biZina ivaniSvilma

Tavisi xelis biWis, gomelauris

xeliT policias kanonis modarajis

funqcia mTlianad Camoacala.

policia rom Tavis simaRleze

mdgariyo, badri esebua amdeni

xani Tavisuflad ver ivlida.

_ badri esebuasTan dakav-

SirebiT Zalian saintereso vi-

Tareba Seiqmna. policia rom ver

iWers, es erTi ambavia, magram

verc sasamarTlom miusaja mas

dauswreblad.

_ aba, ra giTxraT?! aSkaraa,

rom xelisuflebas am saqmis

gamoZieba ar unda. misi daWera

marTla rom sdomodaT, aqamde

daiWerdnen. rogorc ukve mogaxseneT,

policia da kriminalebi

SesaniSnavad TanamSromloben.

_ SesaZlebelia, rom badri

esebuac maTi proeqti iyos?

_ araferi araa gamoricxuli.

yvelam vnaxeT, Tu rogor

gauSves is bankidan. vxedavT

imasac, rom mis dasakaveblad

araviTari RonisZiebebi ar tardeba.

samagierod, politikur

oponentebs dasdeven gaavebulebi.

Zalian samwuxaroa, rom dRes

policiis umTavresi funqcia

biZina ivaniSvilisa da sxva bobola

qocebis dacvaa. imis magivrad,

rom samarTlianobis sadarajoze

idgnen, mmarTveli

reJimis interesebs icaven. Sss

gadaqceulia „qocebis” pirad

Cafrebad. igive SegviZlia vTqvaT

sxva Zalovan uwyebebzec.

kriminalebTan verafers xdebian,

samagierod, opoziciuri partiis

ofisSi ar eridebaT Sevardna

da specoperaciis Catareba.

_ „nacionalebis” ofisSi

Catarebul specoperacias didi

gamoxmaureba moyva. dasavleTi

da opozicia amiT SeSfoTebulebi

xarT. samagierod, „ocnebaa”

aRfrTovanebuli da acx-

adebs, aseTi humanuri specoper-

acia jer ar Catarebulao.

_ aba, ras elodiT? „qocebi”

amas sxvanairad rogor Seafasebdnen?

kidev bevrjer daukraven

taSs am operacias. lado

kaxaZe erT-or leqssac miuZRvnis

gomelaurs da mis uwyebas.

arc imas gamovricxav, rom er-

giorgi gugava:

àqamde Tu rusebi

tankebiT

gvebrZodnen, axla

tanki ivaniSviliT

Caanacvles~

Toblivi sagalobelic umReron.

Tea wulukiani iyo Sss-s saqmianobiT

ukmayofilo.

_ raSi gamoixateboda misi

ukmayofileba?

_ man gomelaurs usayvedura,

aseTi humanurebi rogor xarTo?

etyoba, is kidev ufro mkacrad

iTxovda operaciis Catarebas.

_ wulukiani rom yofiliyo

Ss ministri, „nacionalebis”

ofisSi gacilebiT cudi ambebi

moxdeboda.

_ wulukiani amas marTla izamda.

opoziciis ofisi daarbies,

opoziciis lideri daakaves da

wulukiani Ss ministrs sayvedurobs,

aseTi humanurebi rogor xarTo?

wulukianis neba rom yofiliyo,

vici, rogorc moiqceoda.

_ roogor moiqceoda?

_ rogor da ofisSi myof opozicionerebsa

da maT mxardamWerebs

gaarozginebda. ai, ise, iranSi

rom xdeba. SeiZleba, Cveni

adgilze Caxocvis brZanebac gaecaT.

„qocebis” nawils, Tea wulukianis

TamadobiT, ar akmayofilebs

humanuri darbevebi. samarTlianoba

moiTxovs vTqvaT,

rom sisastike qocebs ar akliaT.

gavixsenoT „gavrilovis Rame”.

_ amaze namdvilad ver ityvi-

an, humanuri darbeva iyoo.

_ arc amboben. mTelma msofliom

naxa is kadrebi. gadaRebulia

videoebi, sadac Cans, policielebi

rogor damiznebiT da

siamovnebiT esvrian daTvis

tyviebs adamianebs. ise iqcevian,

TiTqos kurdRlebze sanadirod

gamovidnen tyeSi. vinmes Cems sityvebSi

eWvi Tu Seepareba, Seu-

Zlia daguglos da kargad

uyuros 20 ivnisis darbevis kadrebs.

iseTi STabeWdileba damrCa,

rom specrazmelebi adamianebze

nadirobdnen da es maT

did siamovnebas aniWebda.

dRes „qarTul ocnebas” sazogadoebaSi

minimaluri mxardaWerac

ki aRar aqvs. maTi erTaderTi

dasayrdeni aris Zalovani

`kriminali rom SesaniSnav mdgomareobaSia

amitom wavida qveynis saqme ukuRma. kriminali

mas Semdeg aRmoCnda SesaniSnav

mdgomareobaSi, rac xelisuflebis saTaveSi

`qocebi~ movidnen. axla gomelauri gamovida

da amayobs, mkvlelobis mcdelobam iklo,

samagierod, mkvlelobebma moimatao~

struqturebi. ivaniSvilma yvelaferi

gaakeTa imisTvis, rom

Zalovani struqturebis xelmZRvanelebad

misi kariskacebi da

piradi mcvelebi yofiliyvnen.

dRes qveyanasac da Zalovan uwyebebsac

ivaniSvilis monebi mar-

Taven. amitom aris, rom aRarc

policia gvyavs da arc saxelmwifo

gvaqvs.

_ amas opozicia ras upiri-

spirebs?

_ amas marto opozicia ver

daupirispirdeba. saWiroa xalxis

mxardaWerac, radganac es aris

dapirispireba xalxsa da „qocebs”

Soris. „qocebs” Zalaufleba

aqvT xelSi Cagdebuli da yvelafers

kadruloben, rom is ar

dakargon. opozicia da sazogadoeba

amas ar egueba da qveyana-

Si seriozuli krizisia. garda

politikuri krizisisa, katastrofulad

mZime viTareba gvaqvs

ekonomikaSi; safrTxis winaSe

dgas Cveni suvereniteti da damoukidebloba;

safrTxis qveS

dgas is dasavluri kursi, romelic

Cvenma mosaxleobam aiRo.

wlebia, vibrZviT imisTvis, rom

dasavleTis nawili gavxdeT, „qocebi”

ki CrdiloeTisken migvaqaneben.

biZina ivaniSvils myarad

aqvs gadawyvetili, sagareo kursi

Segvacvlevinos da ruseTis

guberniad gadagvaqcios.

rusebma oligarqi swored amisTvis

gadmoisroles saqarTveloSi.

aqamde Tu rusebi tankebiT

gvebrZodnen, axla tanki ivaniSviliT

Caanacvles.

mTeli qveyana unda gamofxizldes.

yvela erTad unda davdgeT

iq, sadac qveynis interesebia.

yvela Cvengani valdebulia, fexze

davdgeT da Cveni Svilebis momavali

davicvaT. gadarCena Tu

gvinda, raRac suleluri pretenziebi

gverdze unda gadavdoT.

arc CvenTvis aris ioli viRacebis

gverdiT dadgoma, magram qveyanas

sWirdeba da davdeqiT.

_ ise, ramdenime wlis winaT

veravin warmoidgenda, leiboristebi

„nacionalebis” dasacavad

imaT ofisSi Tu mixvi-

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pirad dacvad gadaaqcia~

dodiT.

_ ramdenime wlis winaT amas

verc Cven warmovidgendiT. Tu

vinme ar unda damdgariyo „nacionalebTan”

erTad, es Cven

viyaviT.

_ ratom ar unda damd-

gariyaviT maT gverdiT?

_ Tu vinmem ziani miiRo „nacionalebisgan”

am 9 wlis manZilze,

es Cven viyaviT: ofisSi Semogvivarda

specrazmi da dagvarbia.

Cveni lideris, Salva naTelaSvilis

dakaveba undodaT. yvela

arCevnebi gagviyalbes. kidev

uamravi magaliTis moyvana Semi-

Zlia, magram axla amis gaxsenebis

dro ar aris. axla saqarTvelos

sWirdeba gadarCena. leiboristebi

vdgavarT iq, sadac

qveyanas sWirdeba. Cven arc „nacionalebis”

dros gamogvitovebia

saprotesto aqciebi. imdeni

gazi gvaqvs im darbevebis dros

naylapi, germanelebs rom ar

gamouyenebiaT sakoncentracio

banakebSi.

_ dRes Tqven dadixarT „na-

cionalebis” dasacavad. isini

sxva opoziciur partiebTan er-

Tad Tqvens ofisSi ikribebian.

yofili xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebTan

arasdros gisaubriaT

imaze, ase ratom geq-

ceodnenT?

_ am Temaze saubari rogor ar

gvqonia. „nacionalebi” CvenTan

mimarTebiT TavianT Secdomebsa

da gadacdomebs aRiareben. arc

imas malaven, rom maT dros bevri

danaSuli xdeboda. amitomac

arian axla isini opoziciaSi.

qveynis saTaveSi ki gacilebiT

uaresi Zalaa, romelsac qarTuli

saxelmwifoebriobis mospoba

unda. amas yvelanairad unda davupirispirdeT.

amitomac aRar

vixsenebT warsuls da danarCen

opoziciasTan erTad vibrZviT

reJimis winaaRmdeg.

am qveyanas araferi eSveleba,

Tu ZalTa balanss ar davicavT.

amisTvis aucilebelia koaliciuri

mTavroba. parlamentSi rac

SeiZleba bevri politikuri partia

unda iyos warmodgenili.

politikuri procesebi parlamentSi

unda duRdes da ara _ qu-

CaSi. roca koaliciuri mTavroba

gveyoleba, partiebi gaakontroleben

erTmaneTs: aRmoifxvreba

korufcia; sasamarTlo bevrad

ufro Tavisufali iqneba; prokuraturac

Tavis formatSi Cajdeba;

policiac ver gabedavs ukanonobas;

veRaravis waarTmeven biznessa

da finansebs. faSisturi

socialuri garemos Seqmnac warmoudgeneli

iqneba. axla ra xdeba?

_ yvela sikeTes flobs erTi

mdidari, oligarqiuli kasta. sazogadoebis

danarCen nawils

aRiqvams meorexarisxovan monebad.

moxdeba sikeTis Tanabari

gadanawileba da amdeni mSieri

adamianic aRar gveyoleba. dRes

adamianebi nagvis bunkerebSi eZeben

saWmels.

Cixidan gamosvla da dasavleTisken

siaruli Tu isev gvin-

`dRes `qarTul ocnebas~ sazogadoebaSi minimaluri mxardaWerac ki aRar

aqvs. maTi erTaderTi dasayrdeni aris Zalovani struqturebi. ivaniSvilma

yvelaferi gaakeTa imisTvis, rom Zalovani struqturebis xelmZRvanelebad

misi kariskacebi da piradi mcvelebi yofiliyvnen. dRes qveyanasac da

Zalovan uwyebebsac ivaniSvilis monebi marTaven. amitom aris, rom aRarc

policia gvyavs da arc saxelmwifo gvaqvs~

da, maSin arsebuli realoba unda

SevcvaloT. koaliciuri mTavrobis

gareSe aq samarTlianoba ar

aRdgeba. koaliciuri mTavroba

maSin gveyoleba, Tu demokratiulad

CavatarebT arCevnebs. ai,

amisTvis unda vibrZoloT. demokratiul

qveyanas ase avaSenebT,

xolo Tu monobaSi yofna gvir-

Cevnia, maSin yvelaferi ise davtovoT,

rogorc dRes.

biZina ivaniSvili Tavis qveSevrdomebma

lamis suliwmindad

gamoacxades, romelic yvelgan

sufevs. xels Tu ar gavanZrevT,

araferi Seicvleba. Cven nelnela

davemsgavsebiT im arsebebs,

romlebsac gejaSi usxamen saWmels.

_ Tqven TqviT, rom parlamentSi

rac SeiZleba meti politikuri

partia unda iyoso. ramdenime

partiam gadalaxa bar-

ieri. ukeTesi xom ar iqneboda,

rom parlamentSi SesuliyaviT?

xelisufleba ra xania, mogi-

wodebT, SemodiTo. ramdenime

meocnebe amtkicebs, egeni imit-

om ar Semodian, muSaoba ezare-

baTo.

_ arCevnebi samarTlianad rom

Catarebuuliyo, Cven dRes parlamentSi

viqnebodiT. „qarTuli

ocneba” opoziciaSi gadavidoda

da arc qveyanaSi Seiqmneboda amxela

politikuri krizisi. gayalbebuli

arCevnebis Semdeg parlamentSi

Sesvla ar Rirs, es mxolod

„qarTuli ocnebis” interesebSi

Sedis. isini Cven gareSe iq

Tavs kargad grZnoben, magram

opozicia imisTvis undaT, rom

dasavleTs Tavi moawonon da

Tqvan, demokratiul qveyanas

vaSenebTo. „ocnebis” kargad warmoCena

Cveni mizani namdvilad ar

aris. arCevnebi rom ar gaeyalbebinaT,

dRes xelisufleba am samarcxvino

da uinteleqto monebisgan

ukve gawmendili iqneboda.

yvelaferi unda gakeTdes

imisTvis, rom riggareSe arCevnebi

dainiSnos.

_ xelisufleba ambobs, rom

riggareSe arCevnebis Tema ar

ganixileba.

`wulukiani amas marTla izamda. opoziciis

ofisi daarbies, opoziciis lideri daakaves

da wulukiani Ss ministrs sayvedurobs, aseTi

humanurebi rogor xarTo? wulukianis neba

rom yofiliyo, vici, rogorc moiqceoda~

_ riggareSe arCevnebi maT interesebSi

ar Sedis, Cven unda

vaiZuloT, rom es arCevnebi

dainiSnos.

_ rogor unda aiZuloT?

_ formula metad martivia.

_ martivi?

_ diax. imisTvis, rom riggareSe

arCevnebi dainiSnos, sul

ori ramea saWiro: garedan _ sanqciebi,

SigniT _ aqciebi.

_ sanqciebi ki gamoiRebda

Sedegs, magram dauweseben?

_ aucileblad dauweseben.

_ „qarTuli ocneba” ambobs,

rom msgavsi ram mosalodneli

ar aris.

_ am gancxadebiT „qarTuli

ocneba” Tavsac imSvidebs da

amomrCevelsac amSvidebs. saku-

Tar momxreebs arwmunebs, aranairi

sanqcia ar gvemuqrebao. imasac

amtkiceben, Cvens mamamarCenal

arqifo-biZinas araferi emuqrebao.

arada, situacia kritikulia.

erTianobiT, principulobi-

Ta da SeuvalobiT unda movigoT.

dasavleTis pozicia „qarTuli

ocnebis” wisqvilze namdvilad

ar asxams wyals.

SigniT aqciebi Tu agorda da

garedan sanqciebi wamovida, ivaniSvili

pirveli wava daTmobaze,

gundis wevrebsac ki arafers

SeekiTxeba. arc aqamde ekiTxeboda

maT rames da axla miT umetes

ar kiTxavs. am adamians yvelaze

metad Tavisi fuli uyvars. fulis

siyvaruli aiZulebs mas da-

Tmobaze wasvlas. mjera, rom

riggareSe dainiSneba da saqarTvelosac

eRirseba samarTliani da

demokratiuli arCevnebi. am mojadoebuli

wridan, romelSic

ukve 30 welia vtrialebT, mxolod

koaliciuri mTavrobis

daxmarebiT gamovalT.

yovelgvari gadaWarbebis gareSe

vityvi, rom dRes saqarTvelos

yofna-aryofnis sakiTxi

dgas. SeiZleba damoukidebloba

davkargoT, Tan ise davkargoT,

rom misi mopoveba verasdros

SevZloT. dRes damoukidebeli

qveyana rom gvqvia, es im adamianebis

damsaxurebaa, romlebmac

Tavi gaswires. amagi arc Cvens

dasavlel megobrebs unda davukargoT.

dasavleTi rom ara,

Cven ruseTs Tavs ver davaRwevdiT.

gansakuTrebiT dagvexmara

amerikis SeerTebuli Statebi.

Cven jer kidev viTvlebiT

dasavleTis mokavSired. Tu es

mokavSireoba davkargeT, maSin

davkargavT damoukideblobasac

da suverenitetsac. yvelaferi

iqiT midis, rom Seecdebian, damoukidebloba

wagvarTvan. SevxedoT,

ra xdeba Cven garSemo. iqmneba

raRac axali kavSiri, romlis

SemadgenlobaSic ruseTi,

TurqeTi, irani, somxeTi, azerbaijani

da saqarTvelo unda Sevidnen.

_ Cven ar vapirebT am gaer-

TianebaSi Sesvlas.

_ Cven ara, magram arqifo-biZina

Tanaxma iqneba. dasavleTis

mxardaWera Tu aRar gveqna, ise

Segviyvanen am gaerTianebaSi,

azrsac ar gvkiTxaven. es gaer-

Tianeba evraziul kavSirze uaresia.

iq Tavi Tu Segvayofines,

CaTvaleT, rom ruseT-TurqeTs

Soris gaformdeba yarsis axali

xelSekruleba da es ori qveyana

kidev erTxel gainawilebs saqar-

Tvelos teritoriebs. Tavis

wils moiTxovs iranic. aseTi

saqarTvelo Tu gvinda, ki batono,

xma ar amoviRoT da araferi

gavaprotestoT. protestSi me

quCaSi gamosvlas vgulisxmob.

socialur qselebSi drodadro

postebis dawera Sedegs ar

moitans. klaviaturaze kakuniT

ivaniSvils ver davamarcxebT.

mZlavri saprotesto aqciebia

saWiro, romelic dasavluri sanqciebiT

iqneba gamagrebuli. socialuri

qselebiTac unda gamovxatoT

ukmayofileba, magram

axla fexze dgomaa saWiro.

_ sazogadoebis nawili mzad

iyo, fexze damdgariyo, magram

opoziciam ramdenjerme gadado

daanonsebuli aqciebi. Tqveni

azriT, es ar anelebs protests?

_ saprotesto ganwyobaze es

namdvilad aisaxeba, magram opozicia

iZulebuli iyo, daanonsebuli

aqciebi gadaedo.

_ ram aiZula opozicia, ase

moqceuliyo?

_ es Cveni mxridan iyo taqtikuri

nabiji. amiT xelisuflebas

spekulaciis safuZveli aRar

davutoveT. dRes Tu vinmes ar

awyobs dialogi, es „qarTuli

ocnebaa”. ivaniSvilis monebi

cdiloben, dialogi CaiSalos.

aqciebi rom gagvemarTa, amas molaparakebebis

CaSlis sababad

gamoiyenebdnen. ityodnen, opoziciam

CaSala molaparakebebio.

amaT xom iciT, gamCeni ar asvenebs

da yvelafers ikadreben.

aqciebi mxolod ramdenime dRiT

gadavdeT. xelisufleba daTmobaze

Tu ar wamova, maSin aqciac

iqneba da amas moyveba sanqciac.

vimeoreb, aqcia mxolod imitom

SevaCereT, rom xelisuflebas

ar eTqva, konstruqciuli

dialogi ar surs opoziciaso.

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ratom ferxdeba vaqcinis Se-

motana? lobirebs Tu ara vinme

xelisuflebidan rusul vaqci-

nas? hyavs Tu ara saqarTvelos

megobari qveynebi? ras elode-

bian briuselSi premieris viz-

itisgan? ratom ar niSnavs arafers

RaribaSvilis xisti gancxa-

debebi? _ am Temebis Sesaxeb

giorgi melaZe „qronika+~-s es-

aubreba:

_ msoflioSi masobrivad mim-

dinareobs vaqcinaciis procesi.

CvenTan jer Semotanilic ki ar

aris vaqcina. es Segnebulad gaa-

keTa xelisuflebam, Tu upasux-

ismgeblobasTan gvaqvs saqme?

_ is, rom dRes saqarTveloSi

vaqcina ar SemoutaniaT, mavneblobaa.

vaqcinaciis procesi msoflos

101 qveyanaSia dawyebuli.

CvenTan ki... Zalian mwydeba guli,

ase rom xdeba. warmoudgenelia,

aseT viTarebaSi rogor unda

datovo Seni mosaxleoba vaqcinis

gareSe?!

_ xelisuflebisTvis da „muSketerebisTvis”

amaSi warmoud-

geneli araferia. isini Tavs

damnaSaved ar grZnoben. iseT

argumentebs asaxeleben, mgoni,

dagvcinian.

_ Riad getyviT: ukve ver vxvdebi,

ras fiqrobs xelisufleba.

yovelTvis momxre viyavi

SezRudvebis moxsnis. es SezRudvebi

moixsna, magram vaqcinacia

ar dawyebula. es CemTvis gaugebaria

da raRac kiTxvebi miCndeba.

profesiiT epidemiologi ar

var, magram raRac warmodgena

maqvs am virusze. mTeli msoflio

koronaze laparakobs, internetSi

sul am Temaze ideba

masalebi da bevri rame ukve kargad

mesmis. vusmenT sxvadasxva

cnobil eqims da srulebiT viziareb

maT mosazrebas, rom mesame

talRa damangrevel Sedegebs

moitans. sanam SezRudvebs moxsnidnen,

vaqcinaciis procesi unda

dawyebuliyo.

viRac Tu msubuqad uyurebs

am sakiTxs, minda gavaxseno, ra

viTareba Seiqmna meore talRis

dros: jandacvis sistema srulad

iyo paralizebuli, saavadmyofoebi

pacientebis miRebas

veRar axerxebdnen. mesame tal-

Ras, ubralod, ver gadavitanT,

gadagvivlis. Zalian guli Semtkiva

da meSinia, roca warmovidgen,

Tu ra SeiZleba moxdes.

gavigeT, rom vaqcina raRac

mizezebis gamo aqamde ver Semoitanes,

magram is mainc gviTxran,

amis mere ras akeTeben? raRac

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`RaribaSvilis sixiste xelisuflebis

saqarTvelos mTavroba da cru

Sorena marsagiSvili

muSketerebi qveynis mosaxleobas

599 92 16 22

vaqcinis Temaze aSkarad dascinian.

vaqcinacia msoflios 101-ze met

qveyanaSi mimdinareobs, CvenTan ki erTi dozac araa Semotani-

li. imis magivrad, rom TavianTi umaqnisoba aRiaron, aSkara

demagogiaze gadavidnen. lamisaa Tqvan, rom vaqcina arafris

momcemia. boroti xmebi amboben, es yvelaferi imisTvis keTde-

ba, rom rusuli vaqcina Semovideso. xelisuflebis qmedebebs

parlamentis yofili wevri giorgi melaZe mavneblobad miiC-

nevs. misi TqmiT, „qarTuli ocnebis” wyalobiT, saqarTvelos

erTi megobari qveyanac ki ar aRmoCnda, romelic mas vaqcinebiT

daexmareboda ise, rogorc rumineTi daexmara moldovas.

599 92 16 22 giorgi melaZe:

gegma-grafiki mainc warmoadginon,

rom gavigoT, rodos Semova

vaqcina. momavals imedianad ver

vuyureb. Zalian minda, rom vcdebode.

_ qveyanaSi politikuri pro-

cesebi gamococxlda. opozicia

aqciebs aanonsebs. vaqcinaciis

procesi xelovnurad xom ar

iweleba? inficirebulTa zrdis

SemTxvevaSi xelisufleba isev

Caketavs qveyanas, ra drosac ve-

Rarc opozicia gamarTavs

aqciebs da sxva aqtivobebs.

_ am xelisuflebisgan yvelaferia

mosalodneli, magram

maTTvis aseTi ramis dabraleba

Zalian gamiWirdeba. imis Tqma,

rom vaqcina opoziciis gasaCereblad

ar SemoaqvT, mZime braldebaa.

es imas niSnavs, rom Seni xalxi

sasikvdilod gaimete. es xom

araa msubuqi virusi! _ saqme gvaqvs

Zalian verag daavadebasTan,

romelmac uamravi adamianis sicocxle

Seiwira. amitom ar minda

imis dajereba, rom Segnebulad

Wianurdeba vaqcinis Semotana.

rodesac koronam ifeTqa, israelis

premier-ministrma mosadis

xelmZRvaneli daibara. mas

pirdapir daavala, rom gaekontrolebinaT

vaqcinis warmoebis

procesi, gaerkviaT, romeli

firma muSaobda koronis sawinaaRmdego

vaqcinis Seqmnaze. mosadma

kargad imuSava da gaarkvia,

Tu romeli kompania Seqmnida yvelaze

adre vaqcinas. rogorc ki

es firma gamoavlines, israelis

mTavrobis warmomadgenlebi im

kompaniaSi Casaxldnen, faqtobrivad.

axla bevri kiTxulobs,

rogor ajoba israelma yvelaso?

rogor ajoba da winaswar dai-

Wires Tadarigi. pirvelebma daikaves

rigi, gadaixades zedmeti

Tanxa da Tavis qveyanaSi vaqcina

Caitanes. mosaxleobis didi nawili

ukve acres.

amerika dReSi 1.5 milion adamians

cris. am qveyanaSi sul 3

milioni davrCiT. Cveni acra or

dReSi iyo SesaZlebeli, magram

jer vaqcinac ki araa Semotanili.

vnerviulob da Zalian mawuxebs

es sakiTxi. mesame talRamac

SeiZleba, Zalian mZimed dagvartyas.

_ israeli da amerika rom

sxvebze adre moaxerxebdnen va-

qcinis mopovebas, es gasakviri

araa, magram Cveni samezoblosTvis

mainc migvebaZa. somx-

eTSi, azerbaijanSi, ruseTsa da

TurqeTSi dawyebulia vaqci-

naciis procesi.

_ yvela icreba garSemo, yvela

ufrTxildeba Tavis mosaxleobas.

Cven ki raRac gaumarTlebel

gancxadebebs vismenT. rodesac

101 qveyana cris Tavis mosaxleobas,

iq saqarTveloc unda

iyos.

_ kambojasa da ugandaze win

mainc unda viyoT.

_ unda viyoT, magram ar varT.

Zalian mikvirs, aq ratom sxedan

premieri, jandacvis ministri,

sagareo uwyebis xelmZRvanelebi?

wavidnen da vaqcinis mwarmoebeli

kompaniebi moinaxulon an

Cveni saelCoebi ras akeTeben? _

raRacebi moiZion. mesmis, rom

Zalian daagvianes da axla vaqcinis

Sovna gacilebiT rTulia,

magram mainc unda wavidnen da

moiTxovon vaqcina. vaqcinis gareSe

mesame talRa, ubralod,

dagvangrevs.

molodova, iseve rogorc saqarTvelo,

postsabWoTa qveyanaa.

àr dagvaviwydes,

rom saqarTveloSi

situaciis ganmuxtvas

belgiis yofili

premieri Carlz

miSeli cdilobs~

ekonomikuradac Cveni donisaa,

magram mas hyavs rumineTis saxiT

megobari evropaSi. rumineTma

moldovelebs Tavisi wili vaqcinebi

dauTmo.

_ safrangeTma slovakeTs

gauwia daxmareba.

_ ase exmarebian ganviTarebuli

qveynebi naklebad ganviTarebulebs.

_ Cveni damxmare, samwuxarod,

aravin aRmoCnda.

_ Cveni xelisuflebis gadamkide,

iseT mdgomareobaSi CavcvividiT,

rom msoflioSi erTi

megobaric ar aRmogvaCnda, romelic

daxmarebas gagviwevda am

rTul situaciaSi.

_ maTTanac rTuli mdgomar-

eobaa da, albaT, ar aris ioli,

sxvas dauTmo vaqcina, roca Seni

mosaxleoba ar agicria.

_ evropis qveynebma bevrad meti

vaqcina SeukveTes, vidre sWirdebaT.

Cven rom saTanadod gve-

ìtyvian, faizeri da astrazeneka ver

Semogvaqvs, xalxs xom ar davxocavT da Cinur

an rusul vaqcinas Semoitanen. ar

gamovricxav, rom swored aqeTken mivdiodeT~

muSava megobar qveynebTan, romelime

maTgani aucileblad dagviTmobda

Tavis wil vaqcinebs.

TurqeTma azerbaijans gauwia

daxmareba. Cven aravin gvyavs.

_ vaqcinebis Semotanis dagvi-

anebam kidev erTi eWvi gaaCina:

rogorc amboben, xelisu-

flebidan viRacebs undaT, rom

aq rusuli an Cinuri vaqcina

Semoitanon. amaze ras fiqrobT?

_ calsaxad ver vityvi, rom

viRac Cinur da rusul vaqcinas

lobirebs, magram ise midis saqme,

rom SeiZleba, marTla rusuli an

Cinuri vaqcinis Semotana gaxdes

saWiro.

_ amas rogor gaamarTleben?

_ ityvian, faizeri da astrazeneka

ver Semogvaqvs, xalxs xom

ar davxocavT da Cinur an rusul

vaqcinas Semoitanen. ar gamovricxav,

rom swored aqeTken

mivdiodeT.

_ zemoT TqviT, rom am xe-

lisuflebis gadamkide megobari

qveyana aRar gvyavso. megobre-

bi, jer kidev, gvyavs, magram

„ocnebis”

warmomadgenlebi

dasavleTis moTxovnebs ise aignoreben,

rom SeiZleba, marT-

la aRar dagvrCes megobrebi.

Carlz miSelis viziti amis

naTeli magaliTia. sanam is aq

iyo, RaribaSvili sxvanairad

saubrobda, rogorc ki miSeli

wavida, Zvel tonalobaSi daiw-

yo opoziciasTan laparaki.

_ RaribaSvilis Secvlil

tons did mniSvnelobas ar mivaniWebdi.

mimaCnia, rom misi es

gancxadebebi ufro „qarTuli

ocnebis” mxardamWerebis gasagonad

gakeTda. ara mgonia, RaribaSvilma

situaciis gamwvaveba

gariskos. is mokle xanSi vizitiT

Cadis briuselSi. iq unda Caitanos

gegma, sadac saubari iqneba

saqarTveloSi politikuri

krizisis ganmuxtvis gzebze. moqmedebebiT

sxvanairad imoqmedeben.

yvelaferi am kviraSi gamoCndeba.

_ opozicias molaparakebeb-

is CaSlas, albaT, ver dagabra-

leben. miSelis vizitis Semdeg

erTi didi aqcia opoziciam

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mxardamWerebzea gaTvlili~

gaauqma.

_ ver dagvabraleben. opoziciam

yvela seriozuli aqcia

gaauqma. is molaparakebebis re-

Jimzea gadasuli.

_ opozicias molaparakebebisken

aqtiurad mouwodeben xe-

lisuflebis warmomadgenlebi.

maTi gancxadebebi yvela zRvars

aris gacdenili. lado kaxaZe da

irakli zarqua imasac ki amtkic-

eben, nika melia daWerili ar ar-

iso. erTi SexedviT, TiTqos, sa-

saciloa maTi gamonaTqvamebi,

magram isini xom amiT sazoga-

doebasa da opozicias igdeben

masxarad?

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” zogier-

Ti warmomadgeneli iseT gancxadebebs

akeTebs, rom maTze, ubralod,

komentars ver gavakeTeb.

miTxariT, ra unda vTqva? aseT

gancxadebebze komentaris gakeTeba

warmoudgenelia. SemiZlia

vTqva, rom Sefasebas ar eqvemdebarebian.

lamis, mTeli Sss miiyvanes

erTi kacis dasaWerad. axla

amtkiceben, nika melia dakavebuli

ar ariso. „qarTuli ocnebis”

spikerebis gancxadebebi Zalian

gamaRizianebelia. opoziciisa da

xalxis garda, aseTi gancxadebebiT

ukve „qarTuli ocnebis” mxardamWerebic

Riziandebian.

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” mxardamWerebi

xasiaTzec veRar ari-

an. arada, melias dakavebis dRes

Zalian bednierebi Candnen.

_ gundSi dabneuloba da

gaurkvevlobaa. aseTi viTareba

rom Seiqmna, amaSi didi wvlili

giorgi gaxariamac Seitana.

_ gaxariam ra wvlili Seit-

ana?

_ man Tanamdeboba datova imis

gamo, rom xelisufleba opoziciis

lideris dasakaveblad specoperaciis

Catarebas apirebda.

gaxaria ar yofila mmarTveli

partiis rigiTi wevri, is iyo

premieri da Tan erT-erTi yvelaze

gavleniani premieri, vinc

ki „qarTul ocnebas” hyolia.

_ amboben, rom is yvelaze

susti premieri iyo.

_ Cemi azriT, gaxaria erT-er-

Ti gavleniani premieri iyo. mas

sxvadasxva struqturaSi hyavda

seriozuli dasayrdenebi. sxva

yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT,

„qarTuli ocnebis” saarCevno si-

`viRac Tu msubuqad uyurebs am sakiTxs, minda gavaxseno, ra viTareba

Seiqmna meore talRis dros: jandacvis sistema srulad iyo

paralizebuli, saavadmyofoebi pacientebis miRebas veRar axerxebdnen.

mesame talRas, ubralod, ver gadavitanT, gadagvivlis. Zalian guli

Semtkiva da meSinia, roca warmovidgen, Tu ra SeiZleba moxdes~

is pirveli nomeri gaxldaT. misma

wasvlamac seriozulad daabnia

„ocnebis” mxardamWerebi. rogor

ganviTardeba movlenebi ar

vici. yvelafers dro gvaCvenebs.

_ es dabneuloba gadaizrde-

ba Tu ara daTmobaSi?

_ xelisufleba dasavleTidan

seriozul zewolas ganicdis,

rac aiZulebs „qarTul ocnebas”

garkveul daTmobebze wasvlas.

vfiqrob, yvelaferi uaxloes

dReebSi gamoikveTeba.

_ am etapze ise Cans, rom daT-

mobaze wasvlas ar apireben.

_ aseTi xisti pozicia sxva

drosac daukavebia xelisuflebas,

magram roca saqme saqmeze

mimdgara, radikalurad SeucvliaT

pozicia. 2019 wlis Semodgomaze,

roca sakonstitucio

cvlilebebi Caagdes, Tqves, rom

àra mgonia, RaribaSvilma situaciis

gamwvaveba gariskos. is mokle xanSi vizitiT

Cadis briuselSi. iq unda Caitanos gegma,

sadac saubari iqneba saqarTveloSi

politikuri krizisis ganmuxtvis gzebze~

molaparakebebis kari daixurao,

magram Zalian male Tavad daiwyes

dialogis aucileblobaze

saubari. SarSan amtkicebdnen,

saqarTveloSi politpatimrebi

ar gvyavso, magram mouwiaT gigi

ugulavasa da irakli oqruaSvilis

cixidan gamoSveba.

_ wina wlebSi xelisuflebam

raRacebi daTmo, magram maSin

premieri irakli RaribaSvili

ar yofila. RaribaSvils

opoziciis mimarT Zalian xisti

pozicia ukavia.

_ RaribaSvilis xisti pozicia

gadamwyveti ver iqneba. magas

yovelTvis aseTi pozicia ekava.

pirveli premierobis drosac

xisti gancxadebebiT cdilobda

Tavis damkvidrebas. is am gancxadebebiT,

sinamdvileSi, mxolod

pozirebs. ministrebsa da „ocnebis”

wevrebs aCvenebs, rom aseTi

xistia. arc aqamde miuRwevia

ramisTvis sixistiT da axla miT

umetes ver miaRwevs. ar dagvaviwydes,

rom saqarTveloSi situaciis

ganmuxtvas belgiis yofili

premieri Carlz miSeli

cdilobs.

_ ase Zalian ratom geimedebaT

es adamiani? ratom ggoni-

aT, rom is saswauls SeZlebs?

_ es man daamtkica. miSelma

wlebis winaT radikalurad gansxvavebuli

xalxisgan daakompleqta

mTavroba. didi xnis manZilze

belgiis mTavrobis formireba

ver xerxdeboda. oTxma, erTmaneTisgan

radikalurad gansxvavebulma

partiam mTavrobis

formireba ver SeZlo. miSelma

maTi erTad dasma moaxerxa. Sekra

seriozuli mTavroba. masTan

saubari viRac rigiT CinovnikTan

saubars ar niSnavs. is pozicia,

rac man aq datova, darwmunebuli

var, sadRac erT kviraSi

gaiSleba. xelisufleba realobisken

unda motrialdes. Zalian

male es motrialeba maT gancxadebebsa

da qmedebebzec aisaxeba.

_ opoziciis mTavari moTxov-

na riggareSe arCevnebia. mivalT

aqamde? daTmobs xelisufleba

amas?

_ aqamde mivalT ki ara, mimaCnia,

rom riggareSe arCevnebi

gardauvalia. sakmaod maqvs politikuri

gamocdileba, rac mkarnaxobs,

rom riggareSe arCevnebi

aucileblad iqneba.

_ da rodis unda velodoT am

arCevnebs?

_ amis Tqma ukve gamiWirdeba.

SeiZleba, es welsve iyos, Semodgomaze,

SeiZleba, momavali wlis

gazafxulze Catardes. riggareSe

arCevnebi rom Catardeba, ama-

Si erTi wamiTac ar mepareba eWvi.

riggareSe arCevnebi rom iqneba,

amis Tqmis safuZvels opoziciis

ganwyobac miqmnis. opozicia am

sakiTxze ukan daxevas ar apirebs.

Cveni moTxovna aris absoluturad

legitimuri. 2020 wels

saqarTveloSi arCevnebi ar Catarebula.

es arCevnebi gayalbda.

amitom aris aucilebeli riggareSe

arCevnebis Catardeba. arCevnebi

rom ar gayalbebuliyo,

arc es moTxovna dadgeboda

dRis wesrigSi, Sarze ki ar varT.

_ „ocneba” mxolod im SemTx-

vevaSi ganixilavs am sakiTxs, Tu

opozicia daamtkicebs, rom

arCevnebi 1%-iT mainc gayalb-

da. mzad arian, TqvenTan erTad

Seiswavlon arCevnebis gayalbe-

bis saqme?

_ arCevnebis Semdeg opoziciam

aTasobiT ubani gaasaCivra. sasamarTlom

arc erTi ubani ar gaxsna.

axla ra azri aqvs ubnebis

gaxsnas da xelaxla gadaTvlas?

yvelaferi gasworebuli iqneba.

_ am periodSi yvelafers

gaawikwikebdnen.

_ marTla gawikwikebuli

eqnebaT yvelaferi da amitom

arian did gulze. Tu realurad

undodaT simarTlis dadgena, es

SesaZlebeli iyo sxva gziT. samwuxarod,

sasamarTlom opoziciis

moTxovna ar daakmayofila da

arc erTi saarCevno ubani ar gaxsna.

„qarTuli ocnebis” mxridan

axla am Temaze saubari araseriozulad

mimaCnia.

_ plebiscitze ras fiqrobT?

_ am sakiTxze opoziciaSi gansxvavebuli

mosazrebebia. erTi

jgufi erTs fiqrobs, meore _

meores.

_ piradad Tqven ras

fiqrobT?

_ am Temaze saubari SeiZleba,

Tumca konkretulad Camoyalibebuli

azri ar maqvs. erTi rame

zustad vici, rom mTavari Tema

riggareSe arCevnebi unda iyos.

_ riggareSe arCevnebamde rom

mivides saqme, opoziciam er-

Tianobis SenarCuneba unda SeZ-

los. SeZlebs?

_ meeWveba, rom dRes arsebuli

opoziciuri erToba daiSalos.

gansxvavebebi aris da xSir

SemTxvevaSi seriozulic, magram

erTianoba mainc SenarCundeba. am

erTobam imden rames gauZlo,

rom momavalSic gaZleben. imedi

maqvs, viRaca elisaSviliviT ar

moiqceva.

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” saxe

nino wilosani miiCnevs, opozicia

imitom ar Sedis parlamen-

tSi, rom muSaoba ezarebao.

_ ra unda vTqva? ukomentarod.

mxolod gavicinoT.

_ amaTi gancxadebebi ki aris

sasacilo, magram erTpartiuli

parlamenti rom araa sasacilo,

amas ra vuyoT?

_ erTpartiuli parlamenti

dRes aris yvelaze didi Tavis

tkivili. gaxariam aRiara, rom

nika melias dakaveba „qarTulma

ocnebam” gadawyvita da sasamarTlom

mxolod maTi gadawyvetileba

gaaxmovana. erTpartiuli parlamenti

rom ar gvyoloda, es ar

moxdeboda. dRes saqarTvelos

mravalpartiuli parlamenti da

koaliciuri mTavroba rom hyoloda,

vaqcinac Semotanili

iqneboda da arc aseT usamarTlobasTan

viqnebodiT pirispir

darCenilebi. ase didxans ver

gagrZeldeba. sabednierod, qarTvelebi

Tavisuflebismoyvare

xalxi varT da aseT viTarebas

didxans ver avitanT.

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el municipalitetSi ar iyo uzrunvelyofili finansuri

resursebisa da infrastruqturuli proeqtebis marTvis sakiTxi.

„municipalitetSi arsebobs

rogorc finansuri resursebis,

aseve dagegmili infrastruqturuli

proeqtebis marTvis

xarvezebi. municipalitetma

ver uzrunvelyo arafinansuri

aqtivebis zrdis parametrebis

saTanadod dagegmva, ris gamoc

Sesabamisi sabiujeto muxlis

Sesrulebas 2018-2019 wlebSi,

Sesabamisad, 29% da 14% daaklda”,

_ vkiTxulobT daskvnaSi.

auditis daskvnis Tanaxmad,

ikveTeba ukanono mSeneblobebis

problema:

„municipalitetSi saTanadod

ar funqcionirebs ukanono

mSeneblobebis aRmoCenisa da

maTze reagirebis kontrolis

sistema. Sedegad, daba bakurianSi

kerZo pirebis mier mSeneblobebis

ukanonod warmoeba sistemur

xasiaTs atarebs. Tavis

mxriv, meria mSeneblebis mimarT

ar atarebs kanonmdeblobiT

gansazRvrul saTanado

RonisZiebebs”, _ weria dokumentSi.

uwyebis mier gamoqveynebul

dokumentSi vkiTxulobT, rom

municipalitetma 413 aTas

larze meti Tanxa daxarja uxarisxod

Sesrulebul samuSaoebSi.

„samSeneblo samuSaoebis xarisxis

kontrolis sistemis

naklovanebebis gamo, municipalitetSi

auditis Sedegad gamovlinda,

rom 2018-2019 wlebSi

413.4 aTasi laris Rirebulebis

samuSao Sesrulebulia uxarisxod

da dazianebulia”, _

naTqvamia auditis daskvnaSi.

auditis daskvnaSi yuradReba

gamaxvilebulia ufaso avtosadgomebze

arauflebamosili

pirebis saqmianobaze.

borjomSi parkireba ufasoa,

amis miuxedavad, aRniSnuli

pirebi parkirebis safasurs

agroveben.

„meriis sakuTrebaSi registrirebul

avtosadgomebze arauflebamosili

pirebi axorcielebdnen

parkirebis safasuris

akrebas, maSin rodesac municipalitetis

gadawyvetilebiT

avtosadgomiT sargebloba

borjomis teritoriaze aris

ufaso”, _ aRniSnulia daskvna-

Si.

mosaxleobis nawils miewodeba

wyali, romelic standartebs

ar Seesabameba

auditis daskvnaSi vkiTxulobT:

borjomis meriam wyalmomaragebis

sistemaze 2018-2019

wlebSi 935.8 aTasi lari daxarja.

mosaxleobis mniSvnelovan

nawils miewodeba wyali, romelic

ar Seesabameba moqmed standartebsa

da normebs.

* auditma daadgina, rom wylis

sistema 38 dasaxlebuli

punqtidan mowyobilia 32 dasaxlebaSi,

saidanac 30 sofels

a(a)ip soflis wyali emsaxureba,

xolo qalaq borjomisa da

daba bakurianis sistemis momsaxurebas

Sps „saqarTvelos

gaerTianebuli wyalmomaragebis

kompania” uzrunvelyofs.

danarCeni 6 soflis mosaxleoba

sargeblobs WebiTa da wyaroebiT.

municipalitetis soflebSi

arsebuli sasmeli wylis

sistema, daaxloebiT, 4500

ojaxs emsaxureba. 8 sofelSi 49

714 ojaxs wyali miewodeba perioduli

grafikiT; 6 dasaxlebul

punqtSi, sadac 1076 ojaxi

cxovrobs, wylis sistemaze debetis/moculobis

mosamateblad

xorcieldeba wylis alternatiuli

resursis moZieba,

rac wyals abinZurebs da sasmelad

uvargiss xdis, xolo

danarCen 16 sofelSi, sadac

2710 ojaxia dasaxlebuli, mosaxleobas

wyali regularulad

miewodeba. qalaq borjomis

garda, wylis gamwmendi nagebobebi

mowyobilia mxolod 6

dasaxlebaSi, romelTa sistema,

daaxloebiT, 1900 ojaxs awvdis

wyals. danarCen SemTxvevaSi wyali

ar iwmindeba da mosaxleoba

maragdeba soflis wyaroebidan.

amasTanave, abonentebis

gamricxvelianeba mxolod qalaq

borjomsa da bakurianSia ganxorcielebuli,

danarCen dasaxlebul

punqtebSi wylis mricxvelebi

damontaJebuli ar

aris da mosaxleobas wyali

ufasod miewodeba.

* aRsaniSnavia, rom borjomis

municipalitetSi 30 dasaxlebuli

punqtis wylis sistemis

momsaxurebas axorcielebs

municipaluri a(a)ip borjomis

soflis wyali, romelsac ar

gaaCnia Sesabamisi licenzia.

a(a)ipi wylis laboratoriul

Semowmebas yidulobs Sesabamisi

licenziis armqone kompaniisgan.

uxarisxod Sesrulebuli

samuSaoebi, ukanono

mSeneblobebi da biujetis

aragegmazomieri xarjva

borjomSi

àuditis samsaxuris daskvniT irkveva

isic, rom borjomis meriis ramdenime

SesyidvaSi araracionaluri xarjva da

aseve `tenderebis morgeba~

dafiqsirda. konkretulad ki saubaria

2018 wels avtobusebisa da

specteqnikis Sesyidvis procesSi

arsebul xarvezebze~

* a(a)ip borjomis soflis

wyalma wylis nimuSebis yovel-

Tviuri laboratoriuli kvlevisTvis

2018 wels 8.8 aTasi

lari, xolo 2019 wels 9.6 aTasi

lari gadaixada. a(a)ip-is dakveTiT

Catarebuli Semowmebis

daskvnebis Seswavlis Sedegad

gamovlinda, rom laboratoriuli

kvlevis Sedegebi ewinaaRmdegeba

imave periodSi sxva licenzirebuli

laboratoriis

kvlevis Sedegebs. kerZod, ssip

saqarTvelos soflis meurneobis

saministros laboratoriis

axalcixis „zonalurma diagnostikurma

laboratoriam”

ramdenime sofelSi Caatara

wylis xarisxis Semowmeba. aRmoCnda,

rom erTsa da imave periodSi

Catarebuli Semowmebis

Sedegebis mixedviT, a(a)ip _ soflis

wylis mier gacemulia

dadebiTi daskvna, maSin rodesac

licenzirebuli laboratoriis

Sedegebis Tanaxmad, soflebSi

wylis xarisxi ar Seesabameba

dadgenil saxelmwifo

standarts.

garda amisa, auditis angariSSi

weria, rom 2018-2019 wleb-

Si municipalitetma sabiujeto

resursebis xarjvis miuxedavad,

zog SemTxvevaSi ver uzrunvelyo

samuSaoebis ise dagegmva

da ganxorcieleba, rom mosaxleobas

sakmarisi raodenobis

sasmelad vargisi wyali mieRo.

magaliTad: borjomis municipalitetis

sofel yvibisSi

mosaxleobis sasmeli wyliT

uzrunvelyofis mizniT, meriam

2018 wels Seisyida qselis

sareabilitacio samuSaoebi,

saerTo RirebulebiT 109.4 aTasi

lari. yvibisSi mcxovrebi

421 ojaxisTvis, sasmelad vargisi

wylis miwodebis mizniT,

2016 wlis 4 marts meriam eqsploataciaSi

miiRo yvibisis

wylis sistemis gamwmendi nageboba,

romlis mSeneblobaSic

gadaxdilia 484.1 aTasi lari.

Sesrulebuli samuSaoebis adgilze

daTvalierebis, aseve municipalitetidan

miRebuli informaciis

safuZvelze irkveva,

rom yvibisis mosaxleobas,

miuxedavad Catarebuli samuSaoebisa,

miewodeba gaufiltravi

da moqmedi standartebis

Seusabamo wyali, radgan

arasakmarisi wylis resursis

gamo saTave nagebobaze xorcieldeba

sxvadasxva Camdinare

wylebis daerTeba.

aseve ssip municipaluri

ganviTarebis fondma, daba axaldabaSi

mosaxleobisTvis sasmelad

vargisi wylis miwodebis

mizniT, 743.2 aTas larad Seisyida

wylis saTave nagebobebisa

da saqloratoros mowyobis

samuSaoebi, romelic mu-

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nicipalitets samarTavad gadaeca.

saqloratorosa da wylis

saTave nagebobebis reabilitaciis

miuxedavad, axaldabis

mosaxleobas sasmelad vargisi

wyali ar miewodeba.

pasuxismgebeli piris ganmartebiT,

mosaxleobas standartebis

Seusabamo wyali miewoda

imis gamo, rom aRniSnul

periodSi gamwmendi nageboba ar

funqcionirebda, radgan wylis

saTave nagebobebisa da saqloratoros

damakavSirebeli 2 kmiani

mili srulad amortizebuli

iyo da saWiroebda reabilitacias.

sakiTxis gadaWris mizniT,

municipalitetma 2019 wels gamoacxada

tenderi da Seisyida

dazianebuli milebis sareabilitacio

samuSaoebi, saerTo

RirebulebiT _ 277.2 aTasi

lari. miuxedvad imisa, rom axaldabis

wylis saTave da gamwmendi

nagebobebis, aseve Sida

qselis sareabilitacio samuSaoebze

jamurad 1,020.4 aTasi

laria daxarjuli, mosaxleobas

auditis periodSi miewodeba

wyali, romelic ar Seesabameba

moqmed standartebs.

„miuxedavad imisa, rom borjomis

municipalitetis mosaxleobis

wyalmomaragebis problema

sistemuri xasiaTisaa, mis

gamosasworeblad sakmarisi

RonisZiebebi ar gatarebula.

arsebuli mdgomareobis gaumjobeseba

municipalitets See-

Zlo Tavisufali naSTis saxiT

arsebuli finansuri resursis

efeqtiani gamoyenebiT, rac ar

ganuxorcielebia”, weria auditis

angariSSi.

auditis samsaxuris daskvniT

irkveva isic, rom borjomis

meriis ramdenime SesyidvaSi

araracionaluri xarjva da aseve

„tenderebis morgeba” dafiqsirda.

konkretulad ki saubaria

2018 wels avtobusebisa

da specteqnikis Sesyidvis procesSi

arsebul xarvezebze.

avtobusebis SeZena

avtobusebis tenderSi borjomis

meriam gamarjvebulad

gamoacxada kompania, romelic

konkurentze 236,7 aTasi lariT

met fass sTavazobda, specteqnikis

SemTxvevaSi ki teqnikaze

fasnamati 410,8 aTasi lari

iyo. orive SemTxvevaSi gaimarjva

erTma kompania Sps Urban

Motors-ma.

2018 wels meriam axali avtobusebis

SesaZenad sasurveli

transportis Sesabamisi teqnikuri

maxasiaTeblebi gaugzavna

sam potenciur mimwodebels:

Sps „stradas”, Sps Urban

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_ auditis daskvna

`Sesrulebuli samuSaoebis adgilze

daTvalierebis, aseve municipalitetidan

miRebuli informaciis safuZvelze irkveva,

rom yvibisis mosaxleobas, miuxedavad

Catarebuli samuSaoebisa, miewodeba

gaufiltravi da moqmedi standartebis

Seusabamo wyali, radgan arasakmarisi wylis

resursis gamo saTave nagebobaze xorcieldeba

sxvadasxva Camdinare wylebis daerTeba~

Motors-sa da „Tegeta motorss”.

auditis samsaxuris TqmiT, am

sami kompaniisTvis gadagzavnili

dokumentebi erTmaneTisgan

gansxvavdeboda. ufro

konkretulad ki gansxvavebuli

iyo zomis

parametrebi, karis

mdgomareoba, gadacemaTa

kolofis

tipi, Zravis sim-

Zlavre, adgilebis

raodenoba.

auditis daskvnaSi

naTqvamia:

„tenderis dokumentacia

Sedgenili

iyo ise, rom

Sesasyidi satransporto

saSualebebis

specifikaciebi

mxolod Sps Urban Motors-is

mier warmodgenil

monacemebs Seesabameboda”.

am nawilSi aRniSnulia damatebiTi

garemoebebic:

* bazris kvlevis etapze Sps

„Tegeta Traq end basisTvis”

miwodebuli specifikaciebis

Tanaxmad, kompanias moeTxova

municipalitetisTvis waredgina

meqanikur gadacemaTa kolofis

mqone avtobusebis ganfaseba.

Sesabamisad, tenderSi waradgina

meqanikur gadacemaTa

kolofis mqone avtobusebi, ma-

Sin rodesac satendero dokumentaciiT

moTxovnili iyo avtomatur

gadacemaTa kolofi;

* momdevno pretendentia

Sps „ji-Ti grupi”, romlis SemoTavazebuli

fasi 70.6 aTasi

lariT naklebi iyo gamarjvebul

pretendentze. igi tenderidan

moixsna imis gamo, rom

avtobusis meore kari iyo ukana

saburavis marcxniv, xolo

satendero dokumentaciis mo-

Txovnebis Tanaxmad, kari unda

yofiliyo ukana saburavis marjvniv;

* sabolood, gamarjvebulad

gamocxadda Sps Urban Motors-i,

romelsac 2018 wlis 27 agvistos

gauformda xelSekruleba,

saerTo RirebulebiT 952.0 aTasi

lari. Sps Urban Motors-is gamarjvebiTve

dasrulda borjomis

soflebSi gadasaadgilebeli

avtobusis Sesyidvis mizniT

gamocxadebuli tenderi da

kompanias 2018 wlis 13 agvistos

gauformda xelSekruleba,

RirebulebiT 205.0 aTasi lari;

* auditis jgufma ver moipova

da verc auditis obieqtma

warmoadgina sakmarisi da

Sesaferisi mtkicebulebebi imisa,

Tu ra aucileblobiT iyo

ganpirobebuli avtobusebisTvis

avtomatur gadacemaTa

kolofis an ukana karis mdebareobis

moTxovnis arseboba.

Sedegad, arsebobs maRali riski

imisa, rom satendero dokumentacia

Sedgenili iyo ise,

rom konkurentuli upiratesoba

gamarjvebul kompanias moepovebina.

avtobusebis tenderebis

Sps Urban Motors-ze morgebis

risks aseve amyarebs is garemoeba,

rom orive tenderSi arsebuli

moTxovnis mixedviT,

mimwodebels 2015 wlis pirveli

ianvridan unda hqonoda 2

milioni laris satransporto

saSualebebis miwodebis gamocdileba.

gamocdilebis am moTx-

ovnas Sps ver akmayofilebda,

amitom Semsyidvels mimarTa winadadebiT,

daekoreqtirebina

gamocdilebis moTxovna, rac

meriam gaiTvaliswina da 2015

wlis pirveli ianvris nacvlad,

gamocdileba moiTxova 2014

wlis pirveli ianvridan.

specteqnikis SeZena

igive kompania figurirebs

tenderebSi, romelic ori nagavmzidisa

da quCis dasagveli

teqnikisTvis gamocxadda. meriam

am ori SemTxvevaSic Seiswavla

bazari, ris Sedegadac Semdegi

garemoebebi gamoavlina:

* merias, bazris kvlevis etapze,

yvelaze dabali fasi _

153 aTasi lari, Sps „ganjis

saavtomobilo qarxanam” EURO

4-is, ekologiuri standartis

nagavmzidiT SesTavaza. meriam

ixelmZRvanela am kompaniis

wardgenili specmanqanis kriteriumebiT,

Tumca ekologiur

standartad ufro dabali safexuri,

EURO 2 an EURO 3 moiTxova,

riTac SezRuda am kompaniis

monawileoba tenderSi;

* bazris erT-erTma msxvilma

mimwodebelma Sps „Tegeta

Traq end basma” merias miswera,

rom satendero dokumentaciiT

moTxovnili nagavmzidis samuxruWe

sistema zRudavda

konkurencias da mimwodebels

saSualebas ar aZlevda, realurad

ukeTesi samuxruWe sistemis

mqone satransporto saSualebiT

mieRo monawileoba SesyidvaSi

_ meriam es rekomendacia

ar gaiTvaliswina;

Tumca meriam

daakmayofila Urban

Motors-is moTxovna

da „gamocdilebis”

nawilSi mo-

Txovna Secvala.

auditma

Seiswavla Sps

Urban Motors-is

mier miwodebuli

specteqnikis

sabazro

Rirebulebasa

da municipalitetis

mier gadaxdil

Tanxebs Soris

sxvaoba da daadgina,

rom meriam 410

aTari lariT meti gadaixada.

„sakiTxis Seswavlis Sedegad

aRmoCnda, rom mimwodebels zemoaRniSnul

teqnikaSi, transportirebis

xarjis CaTvliT,

gadaxdili aqvs 1329,2 aTasi

lari, xolo merias miawoda

1740 aTas larad 410,8 aTaslariani

(31%) fasnamatiT”, _ weria

daskvnaSi.

auditis samsaxuris daskvna

2018-2019 wlebs exeba, im peri-

odSi ki borjomis meri levan

lipartia iyo. lipartiasa da

borjomis sakrebulos Tavmj-

domare giorgi gogiCaiSvils

qrTamis aRebisTvis (romelic

sxva saqmes exeba da ara auditis

mier gamovlenil darRvevebs)

Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlom

7-7-wliani patimroba

miusaja. lipartia am drom-

de sapatimroSi rCeba.

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Tengiz abloTia

is, rom saqarTveloSi poli-

tikuri krizisia, ukve yvelasTvis

cxadia, qocfanatebis garda.

savaraudod, arsebul realobas

„qarTuli ocnebis” sardlobaSic

acnobiereben _ es ukve iqidanac

Cans, rom rixiniT CarTuli represiebis

manqana amjerad nika meliaTi

Semoifargla. es qoc-fan-klubisTvis

usiamovno axali ambavia

isini, ratomRac, gulwrfelad

elodnen, rom cofiani RaribaSvili

mTels opozicias daereoda,

yvelas cixeebSi Caayudebda, televiziebs

daxuravda da „kohabitacias”

sabolood daasrulebda.

SesaZloa, Tavad RaribaSvilsa

da mis zurgs ukan mdgom biZina

ivaniSvils hqondaT kidec aseTi

Canafiqri, Tumca iseve rogorc

2013-2014-Si ver moxerxda amis gakeTeba,

miT umetes es Zalian problemuria

dRes.

rogorc Cans, dRevandeli realoba

iseTive iqneba, rogoric

RaribaSvilis pirveli premierobis

periodSi iyo _ agresiuli

ritorika, ufro xisti moqmedebebi

opoziciis mier wesebis darRvevis

SemTxvevaSi, Tumca Ria diqtaturamde

saqme ar miva.

situacia, romelic dRes

saqarTveloSi Camoyalibda, Cixuria

imis gamo, rom orive mxares,

daaxloebiT, erTnairi mxardaWera

aqvs. opoziciis jamuri reitingi

ufro maRalia, vidre calke

aRebuli „qarTuli ocnebis”, Tumca

es CamorCena saxelisuflebo

berketebiT kompensirdeba.

„qarTul ocnebas” abezara da

yelSi amosuli opozicionerebis

sabolood alagmva ar SeuZlia.

sxva Tu araferi, Zalian bevrni

arian. nika melias dapatimrebam

kidev erTxel daadastura, rom

erTi an ramdenime lideris dapatimreba

arafers niSnavs.

„nacmoZraobis” lideris dapatimrebam

xelisuflebas cxovreba

arafriT gauadvila, damatebiTi

problemebi ki namdvilad Seuqmna.

Tu ivaniSvils sakuTari TavisTvis

idealuri komfortis Seqmna

surs, demokratiobanas da evropelobanas

TamaSi unda Sewyvitos

da pirdapir daapatimros yvela

opoziciuri lideri, daxuros yvela

telekompania, daamyaros efeqtiani

kontroli internetze da

socialur qselebze.

amis arc fizikuri, arc moraluri

resursi mas ar gaaCnia, radgan

is am SemTxvevaSi masStaburi

sanqciebis qveS moxvdeba da masTan

erTad _ qveyanac.

xSirad gavigonebT, amas yvelafers

ivaniSvili imisTvis akeTebs,

rom dasavleTs sabolood daemSvidobos

da saqarTvelo ruseTis

gavlenis qveS daabrunos.

savaraudod, es ase ar aris _

dRes, gansakuTrebiT pandemiis pirobebSi,

saqarTvelo rogorc arasdros,

damokidebulia dasavleTze

da kerZod mis finansur daxmarebaze,

romlis gareSec Caketili

qveynis ekonomika erT dReSi

CamoiSleba.

aseT daxmarebas mas ruseTi ver

gauwevs _ moskovi, rogorc wesi,

elitebs arCens, Tumca „ocnebas”

Tavisi mTavari amomrCevlis _ sajaro

struqturebis _ upirobo mxardaWera

sWirdeba. is am mxardaWeras

dakargavs im SemTxvevaSi, Tu

dasavluri daxmarebis gareSe dar-

Cenili ekonomika imdenad daiqceva,

rom saxelmwifo struqtureb-

Si xelfasebis problema dadgeba.

1-2-Tviani davalianeba sakmarisi

iqneba imisTvis, rom „ocneba” sajaro

samsaxuris mxardaWeras samudamod

daemSvidobos da koleqtiuri

goga xaindravebis imediT

darCes.

amitomac mmarTveli partiis manevrirebis

sivrce Zalian SezRudulia

_ dRevandeli areulobis

usasrulo gagrZeleba sainvesticio

klimats daasamarebs, xolo

erTi xelis mosmiT opoziciis problemis

gadawyveta pirdapiri gzaa

saerTaSoriso sanqciebisken da veranairi

ruseTi amas ver uSvelis.

saqarTvelo _ kompromissa

da wreze sirbils Soris

erTi sityviT, Cixia.

Tumca arc ise unda warmovidginoT,

rom opozicia ukeTess mdgomareobaSia

_ isic CixSia.

mTavari mizezia sazogadoebrivi

pasiuroba, romelic ara dabali

reitingebis an sxva raime praqtikuli

mizezebiT, aramed qarTveli

xalxis istoriuli gadaRlilobiTaa

gamowveuli.

yvela saprotesto aqcia erTi

sqemiT viTardeba: pirvel dRes _

15-20 aTasi momitinge, meore dRes

_ 10 000, mesame dRes _ 5000 da

bolos yvelaferi imiT sruldeba,

rom Tqven mitingze xarT, gverdiT

ki rusTavelze saavtomobilo mo-

Zraobaa _ Cavardnis yvelaze naTeli

maCvenebeli.

opozicias xelisuflebis mSvidobiani

CamogdebisTvis mxardaWera

ar hyofnis _ revoluciis mTavari

formula ra aris? revolucias

mosaxleobis aqtiuri 2%

akeTebs, 90%-is mdumare mxardaWeris

pirobebSi.

swored aqaa opoziciis warumateblobis

saidumlo _ mas 90%

ar hyavs, mxolod 45-50%, isic pasiuri,

Camkvdari, apaTiaSi Cavardnili.

meore mxriv, arc opozicias SeuZlia

dRevandeli autaneli re-

JimiT didxans cxovreba _ adre Tu

gvian, es muxti TavisiT Caqreba,

cota xniT. Semdeg ki erTi da igive

serialis meaTase sezons vixilavT..

Teoriulad orive mxares esmis

_ am Cixis pirobebSi haeriviT

sWirdebaT molaparakebebi. oRond

orive mxares molaparakebebi mxolod

Tavis pirobebze surs, ase

ki ar gamova.

viTarebis ganmuxtvis mxolod

erTi saSualeba arsebobs _ orive

mxarem raRaca unda daTmos da

molaparakebebi ganaxldes (ra

Tqma unda, nika melias upirobo

ganTavisuflebis Semdeg, es sakiTxi

arc unda ganixilebodes).

arapopularul azrs gamovTqvam,

magram darwmunebuli var,

araviTari vadamdeli arCevnebi ar

iqneba. amisTvis araviTari winapiroba

ar arsebobs _ arc qarTveli

xalxis aqtiuroba quCaSi da

arc dasavleTis mxardaWera.

es sakiTxi unda daixuros, rogorc

ukve warsuls Cabarebuli.

opoziciam dRes unda miaRwios

Semdegi, vadiani arCevnebis kanonierad

Catarebas da Tu amisTvis

saWiro iqneba, parlamentSic Sevides.

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, iqneba

is, rac ukve araerTxel gvinaxavs

_ radikaluri moTxovna Seusrulebeli

darCeba, xolo realisturze

aravin fiqrobs. sabolood,

arc vadamdeli arCevnebi iqneba da

arc _ normaluri vadiani.

saqarTvelo isev Semdeg wreze

wava.

aslan smirba:

_ Tengiz bakuriZis salanZRavi arc

qalbatoni elisoa, arc paata kakauriZe

da, zogadad, aravin.

ubralod, minda mogiyveT, Tu ra dana-

Sauli miuZRvis Tengiz bakuriZes Cemsa da

qalbaton mzia gogoliSvilis winaSe.

orjonikiZis quCaze iyo erTi Senoba,

romlis mflobelic gaxldaT aWaris ministrTa

sabWos Tavmjdomare batoni eduard

kakabaZe. igi aslan abaSiZis wasvlis

Semdeg waarTva Tengiz bakuriZem kakabaZes

da cixeSi gauSva 6 wliT. cixidan gamosuli

kakabaZe nerviuli stresis fonze

gardaicvala. es Caidina swored Tengiz

bakuriZem.

vimeoreb: Tengiz bakuriZem zorbeg

bakuriZes lermontovis quCaze waarTva

aluminis saamqroebis qarxana, gamoagdo

zorbegi da im SenobaSi daiwyo saxlis

mSenebloba da SeinarCuna qarxanac.

kidev: Tengiz bakuriZes gonioSi aSenebuli

aqvs 18-sarTuliani korpusi (saxli),

romelzedac mixeil saakaSvilma moaxsnevina

2 Tu 3 sarTuli da („maiaki”) daasmevina

qvemoT.

am dros mixeil saakaSvilsac amoewura

prezidentobis vada da Tengiz bakuriZem

Tqva: „ai, Tqveni miSa” da xeli dagviqnia.

daaSena isev 2 sarTuli da „maiakic”

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aslan smirbasTvis warTmeuli qoneba

xviCa mamulaZe

598 41 12 26

„qronika+~ agrZelebs aslan smirbas Temas

„bonis” bazrobisa da maRazia „populis” wileb-

is Sesaxeb.

Tavidan daadga.

masTan mivida batoni Temur gogitiZe,

sabaJos ufrosis moadgile, romelsac

oficialurad hqonda nayidi kino „Tbilisis”

Senoba, remontic hqonda dawyebuli.

remontis dawyebis procesSi Temur gogitiZem

damiTmo misi 90 skami, riTac gavakeTe

meriis darbazi.

kinoTeatris Senobac waarTva Tengiz

bakuriZem Temur gogitiZes, zemodan gaakeTa

saxli, qveda mxridan _ maRaziebi. roca

Temur gogitiZe miadga Tengiz bakuriZes

da mosTxova misi qoneba, man uTxra,

rom es yvelaferi man 1 larad SeiZina.

vsvam kiTxvas: vin iyo aseTi Tengiz bakuriZe,

rom saxelmwifom mas erT larad

mihyida gonioSi didi farTobis nakveTi?

axla minda gadavideT meore mniSvnelovan

nawilze, es aris „bonis” bazroba.

Tengiz bakuriZes „bonis” bazrobaSi

aranairi wili ar hqonda _ amas vacxadeb

xmamaRla. gareT iyo savaWro centri,

romelic bakuriZem aiTvisa da gaagdo misi

mflobeli. rodesac bazris mSenebloba

daiwyo, am kacma prokuraturaSi uCivla.

aman Seayovna mSenebloba. bakuriZem 350

aTasi dolari SesTavaza mepatrones. es

aris Tengiz bakuriZis naxelavi saqmeebi.

aseve mas maWaxelas xeobaSi undoda hesis

mSenebloba. adgilobrivma mosaxleobam

Tengiz bakuriZesa da mis Svils winaaRmdegoba

gauwia da igi veRar aSenebs

hess.

aseve mas qobuleTSi aqvs yvavilebis

saTburi, romelic warTmeulia da mis saxelzea

gadaformebuli.

Tengiz bakuriZes aseve aqvs germaniis

erT-erT qalaqSi qarxana, romelsac

dResac amuSavebs.

am adamianze mosayoli Zalian bevria.

aslan smirba qalaqSi dadis Tavaweuli,

Tengiz bakuriZesaviT TavdaRunuli ki ar

davdivar da arc vivli!

man rac ikadra qalbatoni elisosa da

batoni paatas mimarT, amas ar vapatieb!

rogor SeiZleba, mediis warmomadgenelze,

flagmanze, „qronika+”-is redaqtorze

Tqva Seuracxmyofeli sityvebi?! Tengiz

bakuriZem mesame piriT SemoTvala, rom

Tqveni (SekveTili) statiebiT me ar davdivar.

es ar iyo aranairi SekveTili masala,

es iyo oficialuri teqsti Tengiz bakuriZis

Sesaxeb.

bazris Semosavali, rasac movaWreebi

ixdian adgilisTvis, yvela midis Tengiz

bakuriZis jibeSi.

ratom ambobs Tengiz bakuriZe, rom

mzia gogoliSvilisTvis ar waurTmevia

„populi”? qalbaton mzias „populiSi”

hqonda 50%-iani wili, romelic sajaro

reestrSic aris registrirebuli.

„qronika+”-s gavugzavneT dokumentacia,

sadac oficialurad aris damtkicebuli,

Tu rogor SeiZina Tengiz bakuriZem

kino „Tbilisis” Senoba, sadac wilSi moxseniebuli

hyavs qalbatoni mzia. am dros

qalbaton mzias aranairi wili ar ekuTvnoda.

xmamaRla vacxadeb, rom am yvelafers

bolomde gamoviZieb da miwaSic Cavyvebi.

baTumSi ver moiZebneba adamiani, romelic

Tengiz bakuriZesTan megobrobs.

me piradad araferi damviwyebia, misi

yvela qmedeba zepirad vici da saqmes bolomde

miviyvan.

minda, rom es masala Tengiz bakuriZem

waikiTxos. Tu kargi biWi iyo, qalaqis meris

movaleobis Semsruleblad me davniSne

da oficialur dokumentze me maqvs xeli

mowerili. am poziciaze man mxolod 3 Tve

imuSava da aslan abaSiZem gauSva samsaxuridan.

misi biWi iyo politikur partia „girC-

Si”. isic vici, ras da rogor arigebda

raRacebs. amis faqtebic SemiZlia davdo.

Zalian did pativs vcem zurab jafariZes

da mainteresebs, es adamiani rogor

miiRo partiaSi?

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uri krizisia. xelisuflebasa da

opozicias Soris molaparakebebis

fanjara garkveuli periodis ganmavlobaSi saerTod daix-

ura. mocemuloba ki mas Semdeg Seicvala, rac saqarTvelos

oficialuri vizitiT ewvia evropuli sabWos prezidenti

Sarl miSeli da misi mediaciiT xelisuflebasa da opozicias

Soris Sexvedra Sedga. amis paralelurad ki parlamentis win

opoziciur partiebsa da samoqalaqo aqtivistebs karvebi aqvT

gaSlili da am formiT iTxoven riggareSe arCevnebs. giorgi

qajaia miiCnevs, rom swored axalgazrdebze dgas dRevande-

li politikuri klasi.

ramdenad realisturia riggareSe arCevnebi? ra roli aqvs

am procesebSi axalgazrdul protests?

am da sxva mniSvnelovani Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~ rubri-

ka „axalgazrda politikosebSi”

politikos giorgi qajaias es-

aubra:

_ mas Semdeg, rac evropuli

sabWos prezidentma Sarl miSelma

SeZlo prezident zurabiSvilis

sasaxleSi erT magidasTan

daesva xelisuflebisa da opoziciis

warmomadgenlebi, gaCnda

molodini, rom SeTanxmeba Sesa-

Zloa, Sedges.

Tqven rogor SeafasebdiT

Sarl miSelis vizits da ra per-

speqtiva aqvs xelisuflebasa da

opozicias Soris dialogs?

_ evrosabWos prezident batoni

Sarl miSelis saqarTveloSi

viziti pozitiuri molodinis

gaCenis SesaZleblobas iZleva. is

Camovida sakmaod mkafio gancxadebebiT

da swored miSelis Sinaarsianma

da, SeiZleba iTqvas,

kategoriulma mesijma aiZula

orive mxare, molaparakebis magidas

dabrunebodnen. msurs, gavSalo

Tema: CemTvis samwuxaroa,

rodesac Sida politikuri sakiTxebis

mogvarebaSi fasilitatorebis

CarTuloba xdeba

saWiro. es miuTiTebs Cveni politikuri

xarisxis dabal maCvenebelze.

saqarTveloSi ar aRmoCnda

am dromde iseTi saxelmwifoebrivad

moazrovne, keTilsindisieri

da gonieri politikuri

moRvawe, romelic moaxerxebda am

ori urTierTdapirispirebuli

Zalebis konsensusamde miyvanas.

xolo rac Seexeba SeTanxmebas, es

gardauvalia, vinaidan rogorc

xelisuflebas, aseve opoziciur

frTas, mouwevT kompromisebze

wasvla, vinaidan gamovidnen im

gvirabidan, sadac sinaTle jer

kidev ar Cans. mivesalmebi bolo

dros gakeTebul gancxadebebs,

rac meditaciaze gadasvlas gulisxmobs.

es marTebuli da swori

nabijia. qarTveli xalxi ar imsaxurebs

am iaffasiani speqtaklis

yurebas, rac SesTavaza maT arsebulma

politelitam. aucileblad

Sedgeba SeTanxmeba da gardauvalia

riggareSe arCevnebis Catareba.

_ realurad, xelisuflebasa

da opozicias SeTanxmebisTvis

orkviriani vada aqvs. SesaZlebelia

Tu ara am periodis ganmav-

lobaSi maT moaxerxon saerTo

enis gamonaxva?

_ orkviriani vada Zalian mokle

periodia krizisis gansamuxtad

an saerTo enis sapovnelad,

magram SeTanxmebis process daaCqarebs.

am SemTxvevaSi mniSvnelo-

vania ori principuli sakiTxis

gadawyveta: es aris politikuri

SerCeviTi samarTliT dakavebuli

pirebis dauyovnebliv ganTavisufleba

da plebiscitis daniSvna.

am mocemulobaSi bevria damokidebuli

mmarTveli gundis poziciebze.

am ori fundamenturi

moTxovnis Sesrulebis SemTxveva-

Si azri eqneba politikuri dialogis

gagrZelebas. axali konturebi

gamoikveTeba, rasac gahyvebian

kidec saboloo jamSi.

dRes qaosuri viTarebaa, sadac

prognozis gakeTeba yvelas gau-

Wirdeba. qveyanas ar gaaCnia politikuri

dRis wesrigi, inerciiT

mivdivarT, romelic kargis fiqris

SesaZleblobas ar gvaZlevs.

_ Sarl miSelis Sexvedridan

ramdenime saaTis Semdeg opozi-

ciam parlamentis piketireba

daiwyo, razedac xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebma ganacxades,

rom es qmedeba opoziciis destruqciulobaze

miuTiTebs. Tqve-

ni gadmosaxedidan, raze mety-

velebda opoziciis protestis

es forma aseT mocemulobaSi?

_ kunTebis datolebis dro

namdvilad ar gvaqvs. aqciebi

gamoxatvis erTi-erTi legitimuri

formaa, magram umjobesia,

Tuki opozicia ufro konstruqciuli

da, amave dros, produqtiulic

iqneba. sazogadoebis did

nawils ainteresebs maTi samoqmedo

gegma, Tu ra xedva aqvT axlo

periodSi. CemTvis bundovania

opoziciuri Zalebis gatarebuli

politikis momavali. vimedovneb,

taqtikas Secvlian. radikalizmi

CemTvis piradad miuRebeli formaa,

magram marTebulia, rodesac

xelisufleba sxva gzas, ubralod,

ar gvTavazobs. rac Seexeba

mmarTveli partiis gancxadebebs

destruqciulobis Sesaxeb, vfiqrob,

gareT dgas Tavisuflebismoyvare

asobiT adamiani, romelsac

qveynis demokratiuli momavali

ainteresebs da maTTanac igive

valdebulebiT unda iyvnen, rogorc

TavianTi partiis amomrCevelTan.

xolo parlamentis SenobaSi

mokalaTebulia bevri ise-

Ti adamiani, romelic Tavisi arsiT

da bunebiT kolaboracionistia,

aseT adamianTa jgufs ki moraluri

uflebac ar gaaCnia, aqtivistebze

msgavss konteqstSi

isaubros. miSelTan Sexvedris

periodSi aravis uTqvams, rom

saproteto talRa ar iarsebebda

qveyanaSi. es procesebi ganuwyvetliv

iqneba, sanam ar dakmayofildeba

moTxovnebi, xolo manipulireba

am TemiT Rimilis


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`qarTveli xalxi

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speqtaklis yurebas~

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_ faqtia, rom opoziciam

aqciebi da protestis gamoxatvis

sxvadasxva forma, maT Soris,

uwyebebis piketireba, saerTod

gadado da SeaCera. eTanxmebiT

Tu ara maT am gadawyvetilebas?

_ viziareb, magram ar veTanxmebi.

mSvidobiani samarTlebrivi

normebis dacviT prostesti aris

is erTaderTi instrumenti opoziciis

xelSi, romelic „qarTul

ocnebas” ar miscems modunebis

SesaZleblobas. yoveldRiurad

unda SeeqmnaT diskomforti,

raTa droulad moeZebnaT gamosavali.

temperatura Zalian

aweulia da am dros muxtis dagdeba,

Tundac mas movuZebnoT gamamarTlebeli

argumenti, dana-

Saulad mimaCnia. mSvidobiani saprotesto

aqcia Tavisuflebis

ideiT gaerTianebuli aTasobiT

adamianis monawileobiT misasalmebelia.

saqarTvelo unda dabrundes

ganviTarebis swor veqtorze,

romelic gaerTianebuli

erebis did ojaxSi Segviyvans.

qveynis ganviTareba ar unda Seferxdes!

swored am ideiT ganmsWvalul

axalgazrdebs vxedav sakanonmdeblo

organos win da rogor

SeiZleba, maT aqciis gadadebaze

esaubro?! amave dros, maT unda

gamoiCinon keTilgoniereba da ar

iqcnen brma iaraRad asakovani

politikosebis xelSi. vurCevdi,

iyvnen yovelTvis logikis advokatebi,

vidre _ romelime

partiis. gulwrfeloba da enTuziazmi

aris maTi mTavari instrumenti

sazogadoebasTan komunikaciis

dasamyareblad.

_ SeiZleba iTqvas, rom poli-

tikuri procesebi 2020 wlis

arCevnebis Semdeg CixSia Sesuli.

am xnis ganmavlobaSi ramdenad

qmediTi da swori iyo opozici-

is mier gadadgmuli nabijebi?

_ 31 oqtombris arCevnebma yvelas

cxadad gvaCvena, rom Cven

vcxovrobT ara demokratiul da

civilizebul saxelmwifoSi,

aramed avtokratiul reJimSi. sazogadoebas

ubralod dascines,

xalxs Tavmoyvareoba Seulaxes,

maT waarTves yvelaze mniSvnelovani

_ gamoxatvisa da xmis micemis

ufleba. dRes saxelmwifoSi

situacia arakontrolirebadi

gaxda, _ rodesac TiTqmis yvela

institucia mizanmimarTulad

CamoSales, sxva Sedegi warmoudgenelic

ki iqneboda. opozicia

Tavidan egzaltirebuli iyo da

bevri taqtikuri Secdoma dauSva,

magram dRes yvelasTvis moulodnelad

swori nabijebiT midis

miznisken. bolo dros ganvi-

Tarebulma procesebma xeli Seuwyo

maTi politikuri wonis gazrdas

saerTaSoriso partniorebis

TvalSi. imedianad var. mZime da

saintereso ori kvira gvaqvs win.

albaT, evrosabWoSi vizitis dasrulebis

Semdeg ufro metad Sev-

Zleb analizs.

_ parlamentis win karvebia

gaSlili, Tumca „qarTuli ocnebis”

warmomadgenlebi da mxar-

damWerebi ironiiT aRniSnaven,

rom sul ramdenime adamiania

protestis wina xazze. rogor

fiqrobT, ratom ar gamodis qu-

CaSi xalxi? sakmarisad ver acno-

biereben Seqmnil viTarebas?

_ batonebi kobaxiZe da volski

Tavebis daTvliT Tu ar dakavdebian,

es maTTvisve iqneba ukeTesi.

keTili inebon da karvebSic mividnen,

Tavisi qveynis moqalaqeebi

arian, gaesaubron, iqneb, ipovon

kidec maTTan saerTo ena. politika

swored es aris _ gqondes angariSvaldebulebisa

da pasuxismgeblobis

didi grZnoba Seni

xalxis winaSe, miuxedavad gansxvavebuli

politikuri msoflmxedvelobisa.

amis nacvlad Rlicineben

da klounebad iqcnen.

xalxSi nihilizmi sufevs. es maT-

Tan arasworma komunikaciam gamoiwvia.

mosaxleoba unda darwmundes

politikosebis, am SemTxvevaSi,

opoziciis gulwrfeloba-

Si. aseve yvelaze mniSvnelovania,

odiozuri figurebi CamoSordnen

politikur vels vinaidan maT ar

aqvT sazogadoebis mxardaWera.

SeiZleba iTqvas, isini saerTo

èvrosabWos prezident batoni Sarl miSelis

saqarTveloSi viziti pozitiuri molodinis

gaCenis SesaZleblobas iZleva. is Camovida

sakmaod mkafio gancxadebebiT da swored

miSelis Sinaarsianma da, SeiZleba iTqvas,

kategoriulma mesijma aiZula orive mxare,

molaparakebis magidas dabrunebodnen~

saqmeSi xelis SemSlel faqtoradac

ki iqcnen. ekonomikuri stagnaciis

gaTvaliswinebiT mokle

xanSi mSieri xalxi quCaSi gamova

da veranairi Zala veRar SeaCerebs

mas. siRrmiseulad ar uyureben

problemas mdinaraZe-kobaxiZe-TalakvaZe

da Tavis amfsonebi,

Torem ara mgonia, analitikuri

azrovnebis unari rom gaaCndeT,

sasacilod hqondeT saqme.

_ am politikur procesebSi

brZolis romel xazze xarT da

ra gzas irCevT Tqven, rogorc

axalgazrda politikosi?

_ arCevnebis Semdeg aqtiurad

var CarTuli yvela politikur

procesSi. vTanamSromlob mesame

seqtorTan, aseve samoqalaqo aqtivistebTan,

konkretul politikur

ZalasTan. erT-erT politikur

partiaSi Sesvlas vfiqrob,

sadac ufro meti SesaZlebloba

momecema sakuTari Tavis TviTrealizebisa

da mec viqnebi produqtiuli

maTTvis. CemTvis, pirvel

rigSi, mniSvnelovania ideuri da

RirebulebiTi Tanxvedra. dialogi

maqvs ramdenime politikur

subieqtTan. daaxloebiT martis

bolos sajarod gavakeTeb gancxadebas,

Tu romeli gundis wevri

gavxdebi. es aucileblad iqneba

dasavlur faseulobebze orientirebuli

Zala. am etapze vswavlob

sasuliero seminariaSi

Teologiis mimarTulebiT.

_ axalgazrdebsa da axal-

gazrdul protests ra roli

aqvs am konkretul situaciaSi?

rogor unda imoqmedon axalgazrdebma,

romlebsac realu-

rad surT cvlilebebi?

_ axalgazrdebis roli Seufasebelia

am mocemulobaSi.

swored es adamianebi arian, viszedac

realurad dgas dRevandeli

politikuri klasi. maT unda SeinarCunon

simtkice, mxneoba, principuloba,

iyvnen ufro eqspertis

rolSi da ara rogorc rigiTi

aqtivistebi. maTi wvlili udidesia

sazogadoebis winaSe. meamayeba

TiToeuli maTgani, visac dRes

frontis wina xazze vxedav da

Rrmad var darwmunebuli maT

gulwrfelobaSi, samSoblosadmi

uangaro siyvarulSi da jansaRi

demokratiuli saxelmwifos mSeneblobis

survilSi. Cven yvelani

erTad SevcvliT arsebul realobas

da Cvens oponentebTan Tu

TanamoazreebTan erTad vicxovrebT

mSvid, progresul saxelmwifoSi.

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35

msoflio pandemiam moicva,

giorgi sakaruli

TiTqos saaTi gaCerda da sicocx-

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le Sewyda. daixura yvelaferi,

rac ki adamians siamovnebas aniWeb-

da: barSi, klubSi, restoranSi, TeatrSi, koncertsa Tu sxva

dawesebulebaSi siaruli SeuZlebeli gaxda. xelovani adamianebi

saxlSi dasxdnen, momRerlebi onlain sivrceSi an sakuTari

saxlis aivnebze mRerodnen, scenaze da wamyvan poziciebze ki

medikosebi idgnen, mxurvale aplodismentebic sowred maTi mis-

amarTiT ismoda, raRac droiT, Tumca esec maleve Sewyda...

es yvelaferi imitom movyevi,

rom swored am umoqmedobis

Jams momiwia aRmaSeneblis qu-

Caze misvla erT Zalian lamaz

sivrceSi, sadac koronaSezRu-

dvebis miuxedvad Sekrebilebi

iyvnen qarTveli xelovani ad-

amianebi, cnobilebi da, rogorc

Cven veZaxiT, qarTveli selebriTebi.

Sampanuris wrupvi-

sa da monatrebuli Tbilisuri

Woraobis fonze xalxis yura-

dRebas iqcevs iseTi mquxare

xma, romelic momReral luda

dunduasgan modis.

saopero Janris momRerali

proeqt „niWieris” oqros

Rilakis finalistia, Tumca...

bevri Tumcaa, romelzedac qve-

moT waikiTxavT...

es gaxlavT rubrika „saintereso

adamiani” da swored amitom

didi siamayiT warmogid-

genT namdvilad saintereso,

niWier, profesionalsa da

gamorCeul adamians, romelic

Tavisi cxovrebis mniSvnelovan

epizodebze Tavad mogiyvebaT.

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`roca vmRerodi, badri patarkaciSvili

luda dundua, momRerali:

_ 17 wlis asakSi konservatoriaSi

vabarebdi, magram ver

movxvdi, mere damtoves maestro

nodar andRulaZem da iveta

gersamiam. es iyo vokaluri xelovnebis

koleji, anu akademia.

iq viare 4 weli. ar mqonda saSualeba

solfejioSi mosamzadeblad.

iq swavlobdnen ukve profesionali

momRerlebi, romlebic

kvalifikacias imaRlebdnen

da Sesrulebaze muSaobdnen,

amitom iq arc solfejio tardeboda,

arc _ musliteratura.

mxolod simReris manerasa da

Sesrulebaze vmuSaobdiT, arada,

me mWirdeboda solfejio.

samwuxarod, verasdros movaxerxe

momzadeba. rogorc iciT,

maSin iseTi dro iyo, gzis fulic

ar mqonda, fexiT davdiodi.

Semdeg davqorwindi, sami

bavSvi gamiCnda da, faqtobrivad,

diasaxlisi viyavi. amis Semdeg

„niWierma” gamomacocxla.

_ bavSvobidan mReriT?

_ diax, bavSvobidan vmReri,

simRera marTla Cemi cxovrebaa.

_ Tavidanve saopero Janris

mimarTulebiT mRerodiT?

_ ara, sxvaTa Soris, safortepianoze

mindoda Cabareba, sim-

Rera Zalian miyvarda, magram

ver warmovidgendi, Tu saopero

Janris xma mqonda. pirvelad rom

Cavedi deidasTan gorSi, iq Cavabare

goris musikalur saswavlebelSi.

marjvena xeli mtkioda

da pedagogma roca naxa, mi-

Txra, ver SeZleb amxela nawarmoebebis

dakvraso. ra Tqma unda,

guli damwyda, mTeli 12 weli

amas velodi, koncertmaisteroba

mindoda, magram iq iyo diana

rostomaSvili, romelmac miTxra,

Tu mReri, vokalis ganxriT

scadeo. maSin gamamRera gamebi

da miTxra, _ Sen saopero klasis

xma gaqvso. ori kvira iyo

gamocdebamde darCenili. Cemi

xma direqtors moasmenines, man

Tqva, ver moaxerxebs, ver moaswrebs

momzadebaso. ori didi

nawarmoebi da erTi vokalizi

unda Semesrulebina, magram Sev-

Zeli or kviraSi swavla da ise

Sevasrule yvelaferi, pirdapir

meore kursze damsves goris

musikalur saswavlebelSi. iqve

iyo Salva mosiZe, momRerali,

musikosi, qalTa akapela hyavda

da TavisTan Camricxa. magram me

ufro Zlieri xma aRmomaCnda,

miTxres, italiuri klasis xma

gaqvs, sakonservatorio kadrio

xaro da TbilisSi gmomiSves. mec

davTanxmdi, erTi weli viswavle

TbilisSi, konservatoriis gamocdebze

gavedi, aTi qula gamovitane

vokalidan, 9.5 _ koloqviumidan,

Tumca solfejioSi

damaklda qula, amitom davrCi

gareT. yvela Zalian emociurad

iyo, ra kargi xma gaqvso da a. S.

_ ra moxda mas Semdeg, rac

konservatoriis gareT darCiT?

_ es imxela stresi iyo! yvela

meubneboda, rom aucileblad

Cavabarebdi, ukve Cabarebuli

mqonda da a. S. arc vapirebdi

siebis sanaxavad wasvlas,

imdenad kargi gamosvla

mqonda, ver warmomedgina, gareT

Tu davrCebodi. konservatoriaSi

damwyebTagan misaReb gamocdebze

iseT raRacas iTxoven,

rom rTulia, es yvelaferi moaxerxo.

vfiqrob, ase ar unda iyos,

radgan aman damkarga. me var

43 wlis da axla ki ar unda

damewyo, aramed 17 wlis asakidan

unda Sevdgomodi Cems swavlaganaTlebas

am sakiTxSi. roca xedav,

rom adamians xma aqvs, saSualeba

unda misce, iswavlos

solfejio da Sedges momRerlad.

es misTvisac kargia da

qveynisTvisac. vfiqrob, Zalian

bevr warmatebas movutandi Cems

qveyanas. dakarguli imitom var,

rom ar vicodi solfejio da ar

mqonda saSualeba, movmzadebuliyavi.

_ es yvelaferi Zalian did

stress gamoiwvevda...

_ ra Tqma unda, me rom mivedi

siebis wasakiTxad, mTeli naxevari

saaTi videqi da vkiTxulobdi,

marTla ar megona, rom

ar viyavi Caricxuli, imxela

stresi iyo. tiriliT gavedi baton

nodarTan da vuTxari, rom

luda dundua:

`Tu cnobili ar

xar, restoranSic

ki ar migiReben~

arasdros vimRerebdi, imdenad

imedgacruebuli viyavi. maxsovs,

batonma nodarma Tavze gadamisva

xeli da miTxra, _ Sen Tu ar

imRereb, aba, vin unda imReroso?

_ ra xdeba Semdeg?

_ rTuli periodi iyo,

aranairi Souebi da koncertebi

ar tardeboda. mxolod restornebi

iyo, sadac xelovan

adamians eZleoda saSualeba,

earseba. mec davdiodi fexiT,

iqneb, ramisTvis mimeRwia. batonma

nodarma damtova, me gamecadineb

usasyidlodo. iveta gersamiac

usasyidlod mamecadinebda,

oRond ramesTvis migveRwia.

mTeli 5 weli viare fexiT. yvelafers

imasac vabraleb, rom

niWTan erTad iRbalic unda

dagyvebodes. iyo momentebi, rom

iseT adamianebs mousmeniaT Cem-

Tvis, SeeZloT moekidebinaT xeli

da eTqvaT, _ ui, aseTi xma

gaqvs da dagexmarebiTo, magram

Cem gverdiT vinc mdgara, imisTvis

CaukidiaT xeli da me

yovelTvis TamaSgareT davrCenilvar.

_ anu vokalurad Tqvenze

susti gaiyvanes?

_ ra Tqma unda! im wels Caabara

gogonam, romelmac

daamTavra konservatoria, dRes

ki arc mReris, ar gaugrZelebia

es profesia. me gareT davrCi.

bevrjer xdeba ase, Zalian cudia.

niWierebas rom dainaxav adamianSi,

imas mxarSi unda daudge.

me Tu rames mivaRwie cxovreba-

Si, albaT, pirvel rigSi, am

saqmianobiT.

_ SeiZleba iTqvas, rom

qarTvelebi vamarTlebT gamon-

aTqvams: patroni Tu ar gyavs,

win ver waxvalo, asea?

_ samwuxarod, ki.

_ gavida wlebi, ojaxi Seq-

meniT, Svilebi gagiCndaT, rog-

orc vici, meuRlec mReris da

erT mSvenier dRes gadawyvit-

eT, proeqt „niWierSi” migeRoT

monawileoba. mogviyeviT amis

Sesaxeb...

_ diax, uceb, erT mSvenier

dRes, megobrebis rCeviT, gadawyvetileba

miviRe, rom proeqt

„niWierSi” mimeRo monawileoba.

megobrebma miTxres, rom gavsuliyavi.

mec gavedi da vfiqrob,

swori nabiji gadavdgi. marTalia,

finalSi ver gavedi, magram

oqros Rilaki, romelic stefanem

momca, CemTvis ukve gamarjveba

iyo. gamovedi filarmoniis

did scenaze, vimRere

orkestrTan erTad da es yvelaferi

CemTvis ocneba iyo,

romelic realobad meqca.

_ oqros Rilaki miiReT,

daimsaxureT mxurvale aplo-

dismentebi, fexze wamogidgaT

Jiuris wevrebi da ra moxda?

ratom veRar gixileT Semdeg?

_ naxevarfinalSi gavedi da

finalSi rom unda gadavsuliyavi,

iqidan gaimarjva erTma

momReralma bavSvma. vfiqrob,

oqros Rilakis Semdeg unda

gadadiode finalSi, magram Cem

SemTxvevaSi piriqiT iyo.

_ ra moxda?

_ unda memRera „mTawminda

Cafiqrebula”. mTeli sami kvira

vmuSaobdi am simReraze, Tumca

ori dRiT adre Semicvales da

fizikurad dro aRar mrCeboda,

rom axali simRera momemzadebina.

ar vici, ra moxda, ratom miiRes

es gadawyvetileba... Sesa-

Zloa, axali simRera ver Sevasrule

ise, rogorc saWiro iyo

da mogexsenebaT, yvelaferi

xalxis mier gamogzavnil sms-ze

aris damokidebuli.

_ ratom Segicvales nawar-

moebi?

_ samwuxarod, ar vici.

vfiqrob, arCevani monawileze

unda iyos: rac moswons, rac

aris misTvis misaRebi, is simRera

unda Seasrulos. ar SeiZleba,

yvelam yvelaferi imReros.

_ mcire drois miuxedavad,

ra mogcaT am proeqtma?

_ saqarTveloSi aris aseTi

situacia: Tu cnobili ar xar,

restoranSic ar migiReben.

_ ratom, gqoniaT msgavsi

situacia?

_ diax. erT-erTi restornis

direqtorma miTxra, _ finalSi

rom gadasuliyavi, samsaxurSi

36 N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.

migiRebdio.

_ da imitom, rom finalSi ar

da ver gadaxvediT, restoran-

Si samuSaod ar agiyvanaT?

_ diax.

_ dadebiTi kuTxiT rom

SevxedoT am yvelafers, ra mog-

caT am proeqtma kargi?

_ proeqtma momca is, rom ufro

meti organizeba gavukeTe

sakuTar Tavs, meore rigSi is,

rom scenis suni SevigrZeni, ta-

Si, quCaSi rom gavdiodi, yvela

mefereboda, mkocnida. gansakuTrebiT

moxucebi da bavSvebi.

me rom gamovedi scenaze, mayurebelSi

bevri iyo mcirewlovani.

klasika iseTi Temaa bavSvebisTvis,

cota SemeSinda, rogor

miiRebdnen. es Zalian emociuri

iyo, yvela fexze dadga.

quCaSic Semomexveodnen xolme

bavSvebi da mkocnidnen. imdenad

dadebiTi emocia iyo xalxisgan,

maSin vifiqre, rom ar unda

gavCerebuliyavi. neli nabijebiT

mivdivar, magram gaCerebas

namdvilad ar vapireb.

_ rogorc vici, meuRle az-

erbaijanSi mReris...

_ diax, restoranSi muSaobs.

TbilisSi „erisionis” momRerali

iyo, mTeli 12 weli moRvaweobda,

magram mere ojaxuri

pirobebis gamo mouwia azerbaijanSi

wasvla.

_ ar gifiqriaT, rom Tqvenc

meuRlesTan erTad wasuliyav-

iT?

_ mifiqria, magram iq ar aris

bavSvebisTvis qarTuli skola,

rusuli da azerbaijanulia,

romelic sakmaod Zviri Rirs da

amitom momiwia saqarTveloSi

darCena.

_ ar giWirT ase yofna?

meuRle iqiT da Tqven aqeT?

_ rogor ar miWirs, Tan wlebi

gadis...

_ albaT, xSirad uwevs

saqarTveloSi Camosvla...

_ axla, am pandemiis gamo, ver

Camodis, mere ukan veRar dabrundeba.

_ SeiZleba iTqvas, rom ojaxis

gamo mogiwiaT karieris ukana

planze gadaweva da Semo-

qmedebiTi pauzis aReba?

_ sakmaod didi pauza gamomivida.

faqtobrivad, „niWierSi”

rom gamovedi, maSin daviwye sim-

Rera, Torem is periodi saxlSi

viyavi, arc mimReria. zogadad,

Zalian rTulia kariera da

ojaxi erTad, ekonomikurad Tu

ar gaqvs Zlieri situacia.

_ dRes aqtiurad daiwyeT

axali simRerebis Cawera. Tqve-

ni simRerebi gadis radioSi,

gaqvT klipis premierebi da am-

Jamad raze muSaobT?

_ amJamad Cems SvilTan, sesiliasTan

erTad Cavwere kaki

bolqvaZis simRera, romlis satelevizio

premierac gaimarTeba

telekompania „axalze”. amas

garda, vmuSaob kompozitor nukri

karkaZis axal simReraze,

romelic eZRvneba Cvens patriarqs.

am simReras vasruleb 50

bavSvTan erTad. paralelurad

mimdinareobs klipze muSaoba,

saocrad lamazi simRera gamovida

da Zalian male amis premierac

Sedgeba.

_ rogorc mivxvdi, saopero

Janris garda saestrado simR-

erebzec muSaobT?

_ diax. vmReri rogorc saopero

Janrs, aseve saestrados.

repertuarSi maqvs boSuri sim-

Rerebi, romansebi, klasika...

_ q-no luda, nebismier sxva

qveyanaSi musikaluri konkur-

sis oqros Rilakis mflobelsa

da miT umetes, gamarjvebuls

aqvs Zalian didi perspeqtiva,

cnobadoba, warmateba, uamravi

koncerti, albomis Cawera, kli-

pebis gadaReba, fuladi jildo

da a. S. ra xdeba am kuTxiT aq?

ra xdeba proeqtis mere?

_ namdvilad, geTanxmebiT.

sazRvargareT gamarjvebulebs

da zogadad niWier adamianebs

xels uwyoben, gverdSi udganan

da yvelafers akeTeben imisTvis,

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fexze damdgari mismenda~

`konservatoriaSi damwyebTagan misaReb gamocdebze iseT raRacas iTxoven,

rom rTulia, es yvelaferi moaxerxo. vfiqrob, ase ar unda iyos, radgan

aman damkarga. me var 43 wlis da axla ki ar unda damewyo, aramed 17 wlis

asakidan unda Sevdgomodi Cems swavla-ganaTlebas am sakiTxSi. roca xedav,

rom adamians xma aqvs, saSualeba unda misce, iswavlos solfejio da Sedges

momRerlad. es misTvisac kargia da qveynisTvisac. vfiqrob, Zalian bevr

warmatebas movutandi Cems qveyanas. dakarguli imitom var, rom ar vicodi

solfejio da ar mqonda saSualeba, movmzadebuliyavi~

rom warmatebul gzaze iaron.

CvenTan es yvelaferi ar xdeba.

zRva ovaciebia im wuTas da Semdeg

araferi. aravin gexmareba.

_ klipebis gadaReba, simRe-

rebis Cawera _ es yvelaferi

xom finansebTan aris dakav-

Sirebuli. ramdenad giRirT am

yvelafris gakeTeba dRevande-

li situaciidan gamomdinare?

_ miRirs iqidan gamomdinare,

rom dRes Zalian bevri Cemi megobari

gverdiT midgas. bednieri

var, rom swored es adamianebi

meubneian, ar gavCerde,

gavakeTo rac SeiZleba bevri

simRera da ar SemiZlia ar aRvniSno

araCveulebrivi adamiani,

Cemi kolega Tornike tatiSvili,

romelic Zalian mexmareba. am

yvelafers imdenad mizerul

TanxebSi vakeTeb, rom mogexsebaT,

ra Rirs Tundac erTi sim-

Reris Cawera an video rgolis

gadaReba.

_ erT-erT interviuSi

aRniSneT, rom badri patarkaciSvils

uyvarda Tqveni simRerebi

da solidur Tanxasac mCu-

qnidao. rogor gaixsenebT im

periods?

_ es iyo restorani „imereTi”,

sadac 2 weli vimuSave. es is periodia,

roca batoni badri

saqarTveloSi axali Camosuli

iyo. namdvilad araCveulebrivi

adamiani gaxldaT, romelic afasebda

xelovan xalxs da Zalian

moswonda Cem mier Sesrulebuli

simRerebi. sakmaod solidur

Tanxas mCuqnida xolme, es

CemTvis, rogorc studenti gogosTvis,

Zalian didi pativi iyo.

_ ras geubnebodaT xolme?

_ momRerlisTvis Zalian didi

mniSvneloba aqvs, Tu rogori

msmeneli zis darbazSi, Wams Tu

gismens. am adamianisgan Zalian

did siTbos vgrZnobdi. roca

vmRerodi, fexze damdgari mismenda.

Cems sixaruls ki sazRvari

ar hqonda.

_ namdvilad sasimovnoa,

roca adamiani afasebs Semo-

qmedebas da zogadad xelovnebas.

miT umetes, badri patarka-

ciSvilma namdvilad uamravi

momRerali daapura, moWrili

xelfasebic ki dauniSna, Tumca

bevri momRerlisTvis es mod-

unebis saSualeba aRmoCnda da

msmenels axals arc arafers

sTavazobdnen. luda, saintere-

soa dRes Tu muSaobT sadme?

_ dRes arsad vmuSaob. samwuxarod,

restornebSi undaT

erTi momRerali, romelic Seasrulebs

yvela JanrSi, yvela

simReras. ar undaT zedmeti

Tanxis gaReba. sadac mivedi, iq

yvelgan ayvanili hyavdaT.

axla maqvs SemoTavazeba

araCveulebrivi adamianisgan,

romelmac restorani gaxsna da

mkiTxa, Tu imRerebo? ra Tqma

unda, siamovnebiT davTanxmdi.

momRerlisTvis aucilebelia,

rom mudmivad formaSi iyos,

yoveldRe imReros da xma mwyobrSi

hqondes.

_ am gadmosaxedidan roca

uyurebT Tqvens ganvlil cx-

ovrebas da pirvel nabijebs,

rogor SeafasebdiT, ras ityo-

diT?

_ karieraSi Zalian bevri imedgacrueba

mqonda, ra Tqma unda,

ojaxs ar vgulisxmob. madloba

ufals, Cemi Svilebi da meuRle

janmrTelebi arian. dRes janmrTeloba

imdenad fasobs, meSinia,

sxva rameze viocnebo, Rmer-

Ti ar gamiwyres. karieris mxriv

ki namdvilad bevri gulis tkena

gamoviare. yofila iseTi

SemTxvevac, rodesac mimiyvanes

SvilebTan erTad televiziaSi,

3-4 saaTi mayuryutes, gadamiRes,

Caweres simRera da mTeli erTi

Tve velodebodi mis ekranze

gamoCenas. Semdeg, rogorc iqna,

gavida anonsSi Cemi namReri,

Tumca gadacema roca daiwyo,

mTlianad viyavi amoWrili. Cemi

namReri ar gauSves.

_ ratom?

_ ar vici.

_ ar gaarkvieT mizezebi?

_ meore dRes davureke da vu-

Txari, gagefrTxilebineT maincmeTqi

da pasuxad meubnebian,

rom kadri gagvifuWdao. Tu

kadri gafuWda, reklamaSi rogor

Casves? anu sruliad absurduli

mizezebi moigones. elementaruli

pativiscemaa, rom

winaswar gagafrTxilon adamiani

da giTxran, rom es konkretuli

raRac eTerSi ar gava. am faqtma

Zalian imoqmeda Cemze da sakmaod

didi stresi miviRe.

vtirodi da Cems Tavs vekiTxebodi,

_ ratom xdeba ase-meTqi?!

_ ra imediT uyurebT mo-

mavals?

_ erTaderTi, rasac ar vkargav,

es aris imedi! madloba RmerTs,

rom Cem irgvliv arian

namdvilad kargi adamianebi, romlebic

gverdiT midganan. momavals

imedianad vuyureb, minda,

rom Semdgari adamiani viyo,

Cems mayurebelsa da ojaxs didi

siamovneba mivaniWo. dRes cnobadoba

Zalian mniSvnelovania,

radgan SemdgomSi raRac gaake-

To.

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saqarTvelom lisabonSi

mogebiT daiwyo

„ragbi evropis”, anu msoflio Cempionatis

SesarCevi etapi daiwyo da pirvelsave matCSi iseTi

Sedegi miviReT, rogorsac vgegmavdiT Cvenebma portugaliis

nakrebi lisabonSive daamarcxes, bonusqulac

aiRes da pirveli turis Semdeg „ragbi evropis”

2021 wlis Cempionatis saturniro cxrils saTaveSic

Caudgnen.

magram Tu gverdiT gadavdebT dauwerel kanons,

romlis ZaliTac gamarjvebuls ar asamarTleben,

borjRalosnebis misamarTiT sayveduris Tqmis

araerT sababs moviyvandiT.

Tumca gamarjvebaa da vizeimoT. 29:16, Tan gasvlaze

da Tan 5 lelos gatanis fonze, absoluturad

damakmayofilebeli Sedegia, magram mainc es „magram”

Cndeba…

erTi imas davamatebdi, rom amxela nakrebs Tedo

abJandaZis aryofnis pirobebSi sxva xeiriani damrtymelic

unda hyavdes. 5 lelos mxolod 2 gardasaxva

mohyva, danarCeni mizans ascda, plus amas gela

afrasiZem debiutSive sajarimo dartyma gaacuda.

Semdeg manve mirian modebaZis lelo ver gardasaxa

da mas mere dartymebis Sesruleba ufro gamocdilma

soso maTiaSvilma iTava. magram vaglax, rom man

pirvelive cdaze aacila, roca jaba bregvaZis lelos

realizacia ver moaxdina.

amis gamo portugalielebma pirveli taimi 13:10

mogviges da Sesvenebis Semdeg es upiratesoba kidev

3 quliT gazardes, Tumca maT mier gatanili am jarimis

mere qulebs mxolod qarTvelebi agrovebdnen.

giorgi meliqiZisa da Tornike jalaRonias leloebi

sosom ki gardasaxa, magram Salva mamukaSvilisa

gardausaxavi datova. gamodis, rom 3 gardasaxvisa

da erTi sajarimo dartymis gacudebiT borjRalosnebma

aqtivs 9 qula moakles da ufro Zlier

metoqesTan es gacilebiT Zviradac daujdebaT.

SeniSvnebs sxva elementebic imsaxurebs, magram

movigeT da yvelas vulocavT!

aleqs fergiusoni:

xma davkarge,

laparaki ar SemeZlo

legenda 45

legendaruli janluiji bufoni yvelas

akvirvebs Tavisi ubereblobiT. ianvarSi is

43 wlis gaxda, magram TamaSs 2023 wlamde

apirebs. im droisTvis jiji ukve 45 wlis

iqneba. mas ukve aqvs msoflio Cempionis tituli

da aTi skudeto (italiis Cempionoba),

magram jerac swyuria TamaSi da xelTaTmanebis

lursmanze dakidebas ar apirebs.

am sezonSi man „iuventisis” maisuriT aT

matCSi iTamaSa da eqvs SemTxvevaSi kari

„mSralad” Seinaxa. axla is „beberi qalbatonis”

xelmZRanelobasTan molaparakebis

magidaze dajdomasa da kidev ori wliT

kontraqtis gaxangrZlivebas apirebs.

„aba, SemomxedeT, vgavar kacs, romelic

gaCerdeba? gadavwyvite, 2023 wlis ivnisamde

kidev viTamaSo. oRond marTla, 2023

saboloo wertilia”, _ uTxra bufonma gardians.

2018 wlis 5 maiss ser aleqs fergiusons insulti

mouvida, ris Semdegac igi saavadmyofoSi gadaiyv-

anes da saswrafo operacia Cautares. oriod dRis

win ki legendarulma mwvrTnelma is momenti gaixse-

na, roca cudad gaxda.

„xma davkarge, laparaki ar SemeZlo. es saSineli

SegrZneba iyo, ar vicodi, win ra meloda. uecrad

cxviridan sisxli wamskda da cudad gavxdi.

vfiqrobdi, damibrundeboda Tu ara odesme mex-

siereba an SevZlebdi Tu ara laparaks. kargia, rom

yvelaferi kargad dasrulda da Tavs kargad

vgrZnob”, _ Tqva didma Sotlandielma.

rogorc aRvniSneT, insultis Semdeg fergiusons

saswrafo operacia Cautarda. operaciis Semdeg 3

dRe is komaSi iyo, dRes ki Tavs kargad grZnobs.

didi xuTeuli

Sakil onilma is Semadgenloba daasaxela,

romelTan erTadac sakalaTburTo matCs ar

waagebda. isic unda vTqvaT, rom didma Sakma awmyoze

isaubra da sakuTar TavTan erTad mxolod

moqmedi kalaTburTelebi gamoarCia.

„ligaSi bevri kargi kalaTburTelia, magram

momeciT stef kari, klei tompsoni, zaion uiliamsoni,

lebron jeimsi da maTTan erTad TamaSs

ar wavageb”, Tqva Sakma.

SegaxsenebT, rom onils saukeTeso wlebi „losanjeles

leikersSi” aqvs gatarebuli. aseve uTamaSia

„orlando mejiqSi”, „maimi hitSi”, „feniqs

sansSi”, „klivlend kavalierssa” da „boston seltiksSi”.

Saki 1992 wels NBA-s draftze pirvel

nomrad airCies, „leikerssa” da „maiamiSi” oTxjer

gaxda NBA-s Cempioni, iyo sezonis MVP da 15-jer

iTamaSa „yvela varskvlavis matCSi”.

kalaTburTSi gamorCeuli miRwevebisTvis is

Seyvanilia NBA-s didebis darbazSi.

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pasporti

evrokavSiris bolo samitze saubari Seexo turizmis se-

zonisTvis aucilebeli RonisZiebebis SemuSavebas.

germaniis kanclerma angela merkelma ganacxada, rom

gazafxulis bolosTvis mzad iqneba specialuri protoko-

li, romelic turistebisTvis savaldebulo pasportizacias

gaiTvaliswinebs.

am „pasportis” misaRebad saWiro iqneba ukve ara mxolod

koronavirusis testze orgzis miRebuli uaryofiTi pasuxi,

aramed orjeradi vaqcinacia.

bunebrivia, es sakiTxi gverds ver auvlis evropis safex-

burTo Cempionats, romelic 11 ivnisidan 11 ivlisamde unda

gaimarTos.

turnirs evropis 12 qalaqi umaspinZlebs da savaldebu-

lo vaqcinacia, minawile gundebisa da momsaxure personalis

sruli Semadgenlobis garda, TiToeul damswres mouwevs.

sainteresoa, ra unda qnan im qomagebma, evropirvelobaze

daswreba rom surT, magram maT qveynebSi vaqcinacia maisis

bolomde ver daiwyeba an pirvel etapze asacrelTa katego-

riaSi ver xvdebian?

peles nemsi

kovidepidemiis periodSi brazilia erT-erTi yvelaze dazaralebuli

qveyanaa. Tumca ukve daiwyes vaqcinacia da pirve-

li fexburTis mefe pele acres, romelsac janmrTelobis

problemebi aqvs.

80 wlis legenda socialur qselSic aqtiurobs da gamo-

aqveyna foto, sadac koronavirusis sawinaaRmdego vaqcinas

ikeTebs. misi azriT, higiena da niRbis tareba aucilebelia.

„pandemia jer ar dasrulebula da adamianebis sicocxlis

gadasarCenad disciplina da distancia unda SevinarCunoT.

es dauviwyari dRea, magram jer kidev Zalian bevri adamiania,

visac vaqcina ar gaukeTebia. pandemia aucileblad dasruldeba,

roca yvela erTmaneTs davexmarebiT da met yura-

dRebas gamoviCenT“,

dawera pelem instagramze.

N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.

pele ambobs: cxovrebis man-

Zilze imden qalTan mqonda

urTierToba, arc vici, ramdeni

Svili myavso...

amerikulma kompania Netflix-ma

axali dokumenturi filmi warmoadgina

saxelwodebiT „pele”,

sadac fexburTis 80 wlis mefe

gulwrfelad saubrobs sakuTar

sasiyvarulo Tavgadasavlebze.

peles Svidi cnobili STamomavali

hyavs, maT Soris, sandra

maCado, romelic 1996 wels,

sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis

miuxedavad, Svilad ar aRiara.

xuTni: keli (54 wlis), edinio

(50), jeniferi (42), 24 wlis

tyupebi _ joSua da selesta,

pirveli ori qorwinebis kvalad

moevlinen samyaros. misi

rCeulebi rozemeri duS reiS

vis meti...

bolo dros yvelaferi fulma waleka da maT Sorisaa

fexburTic. umdidresma adamianebma cnobili Tu

ucnobi klubebi SeiZines da axla maT Soris mesame

msoflio omi momdinareobs.

amjerad xuT yvelaze mdidar safexburTo funqcioners

warmogidgenT.

1. Seixi mansuri _ manCester siti (qoneba 20 miliardi)

„manCester sitis” mflobeli, Seixi mansuri yvelaze

msuye fulis tomaraa fexburTSi. man „siti” 2008 wels

SeiZina daaxloebiT 210 milion girvanqad da dRemde

TiTqmis miliardamde daxarja.

arabTa gaerTianebuli saemiroebis vice-premierma,

manCesterul klubSi revolucia moaxdina da msoflio

grandad aqcia.

„qalaqelebma” bolo rva sezonSi oTxjer moiges

premierliga da mimdinare gaTamaSebaSic, albaT, maT

pirvelobaSi veravin Seecileba.

2. ditrix mateSici _ laifcigi (19 miliardi)

„laifcigis” Tavkaci ditrix mateSici imiTaa cnobili,

rom energetikuli kompania Red Bull-is 49 procentis

mflobelia.

am warmatebulma kompaniam her ditrixi Zalian gavlenian

adamianad aqcia. saxezea misi klubis progresic,

romelic mxolod 2009 wels dafuZnda da cameti wlis

Tavze CempionTa ligis erT-erT favoritad iqca.

gasul sezonSi magaliTad, laifcigelebi turniris

naxevarfinalSi damarcxdnen pari sen-JermenTan.

3. andrea anieli _ iuventusi (14 miliardi)

andrea anielebis ojaxis meoTxe wevria babuis,

mamisa da biZis Semdeg, vinc „iuventuss” patronobs.

bolo aT weliwadSi iuvem cxra skudeto moigo da

italiuri fexburTis upirobo dominanti gaxda.

maT aseve SeiZines kriStianu ronaldu madridis

realidan, rac aseve bolo aTwleulis erT-erTi yvelaze

xmauriani transferia.

magram uzarmazari investiciebis miuxedavad, beberi

qalbatoni 1996 wlis Semdeg veRar axerxebs CempionTa

ligis mogebas.

4. ditmar hopi _ hofenhaimi (13 miliardi)

hopi albaT yvelaze naklebad cnobili safexbur-

To magnatia. germaneli programisti da biznesmenia.

SarSan gacxadda, rom germaniaSi is merve adgilzea

simdidriT, msoflioSi ki 72-ze.

eg aris, misma investiciam ver moaxdina STabeWdileba

da „hofenhaimi” germanuli fexburTis saSualo

warmomadegenelia.

es SesaZloa, imasTanac iyos dakavSirebuli, rim her

ditmarma klubi 90-ian wlebSi SeiZina da mesame divizionidan

amoiyvana elitaSi.

5. roman abramoviCi _ Celsi (12 miliardi)

abramoviCi pirveli msxvili mflobeli _ miliarderi

iyo, vinc safexburTo klubSi revolucia moaxdina.

Cukotkis yofili gubernatori bolo 20 wlis

yvelaze cnobadi safexburTo klubis mflobelia.

abramoviCma „Celsi” 2003 wels iyida da or weliwadSi

premierligis pirveli tituli moigo. mas Semdeg aristokratebi

kidev oTxjer gaxdnen inglisSi saukeTesoebi,

2012 wels ki CempionTa ligac moiges.

peles qalebi da Svilebi

Solbi da asiria lemoS leiSa-

Si iyvnen.

sandra, romelic 2006 wels

kibosgan gardaicvala, damlagebel

anisia maCadosTan ukanono

romanis Semdeg daibada. 52 wlis

qaliSvili flavio ki 1968 wels,

Jurnalist lenita kurcTan

urTierTobis Semdeg iSva.

axal dokumentur filmSi,

romelic ekranebze momaval

kviras gamova, pele ambobs: yvela

qalisTvis naTqvami mqonda,

rom erTgulebas ver Sevpirdebodi.

aravin arasdros momityuebiao.

maria da grasa siuksam, 57

wlis yofilma modelma, romelmac

pelesTan urTierToba 17

wlisam daiwyo, gasul TveSi

ganacxada: pele meubneboda,

rom es Ria urTierToba iqneboda,

oRond Ria mxolod misTvis.

roca dRes janmrTelobaSeryeul

peles ucqer, Zneli warmosadgenia,

rom erT dros is

supermeni iyo da qalebi gasaqans

ar aZlevda.

pele yovelTvis misabaZ adamianad

iTvleboda, Tavisi mSvidi

cxovrebis stilis gamo,

gansxvavebiT mTavari konkurentisgan,

diego maradonasgan,

vinc erTTavad skandalebSi exveoda.

amJamad edson arantes du nasimentu

san paulus siaxloves,

zRvis piras cxovrobs, mesame

colTan, 48 wlis marsiasTan er-

Tad. masTan „mefe” 2016 wlidan

urTierTobs. janmrTelobis

problemebis gamo (etlSi zis)

ki sazogadoebasTan Zalian iSviaTad

Cndeba.

39

CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

kviris horoskopi

verZi

es kvira mniSvnelovan cvlilebebs ar gpirdebaT.

ar CaerToT raime konfliqtSi, ar modundeT

da yuradReba meorexarisxovan sakiTxebze

ar gadaitanoT. SeecadeT gonivrulad gaanawiloT

Tqveni samuSao da Tavisufali dro. metad

sasargebloa gamajansaRebeli mkurnalobis kursis

dawyeba. martoxela verZebs ki varskvlavebi

urCeven, rom droa miiRon mniSvnelovani gadawyvetilebebi

ojaxis SeqmnasTan dakavSirebiT.

kuro

kargi periodia Tqveni gegmebis ganxorcielebisTvis.

darwmunebuli iyaviT Tqvens simarTleSi.

es dro Sesaferisia, rom profesionalurad

dawinaurdeT. adamianebi, romlebic cdiloben

dagarwmunon, SeicvaloT azri mniSvnelovan

aqtualur sakiTxze, savaraudod, cdebian.

warmatebuli iqneba mogzaurobebi. SabaT-kviras

ewvieT Teatrs an muzeums, an quCebSi gaiseirneT,

daaTvaliereT arqiteqtura da isiamovneT.

tyupi

droa gadadebul saqmeebs mixedoT. profesiuli

sakiTxebis mogvarebisas ufro gamocdili

kolegebis rCevebi unda gaiTvaliswinoT. iyaviT

yuradRebiT maqsimaluri Sedegis misaRwevad.

kviris Sua ricxvebidan Tqveni megobrebi ufro

pozitiur rols iTamaSeben Tqvens cxovrebaSi.

es periodi kargi droa axali nacnobobisa da

megobruli urTierTobebisTvis.

kirCxibi

am kviraSi savse iqnebiT SemoqmedebiTi en-

TuziazmiT da STagonebiT. im saqmeebis umetesoba,

romelTa ganxorcielebasac uaxloes

dReebSi apirebT, aucileblad gamogivaT. moerideT

sakamaTo situaciebs sayvarel adamianTan

da Sedegad harmonia iqneba ara marto Tqvens

urTierTobaSi, aramed cxovrebis yvela mimarTulebiT.

SabaT-kvirisTvis dagegmeT viziti

maRaziebSi. Tavad Sopingis procesi TqvenTvis

SeiZleba sasiamovno gamocdileba iyos, SenaZeni

ki – metad praqtikuli.

lomi

savaraudod, mogiwevT koncentrireba moaxdinoT

wminda materialuri praqtikuli sakiTxebis

mogvarebaze, romlebic dakavSirebulia saxlisa

da ojaxis mowyobasTan. energia ar daxarjoT

dasaxuli moklevadiani miznebis misaRwevad.

kviris bolos rekomendebulia saxlisTvis

SenaZenebis gakeTeba, am periodSi SeZenili nivTebi

didxans mogemsaxurebian da erTgvari damcvelebi

iqnebian uaryofiTi energiebisgan. simSvide

SeinarCuneT sayvarel adamianebTan urTierTobisas.

qalwuli

uaxloes momavalSi SeiZleba or cecxlSua

aRmoCndeT, amitom SeecadeT winaswar ifiqroT

ukan dasaxev gzebze an taqtikaze, rac aseT situacias

Tavidan agacilebT. unaRdo angariSgasworebisas

SeiZleba zarali gqondeT. SesaniSnavi

periodia mogzaurobisa da dasvenebisTvis.

saswori

am kviraSi dro profesiuli sakiTxebis gada-

Wras dauTmeT. iyaviT seriozuli da yuradRebiani,

magram ar aurioT saqme da piradi urTier-

Tobebi. axali romantikuli nacnobobisTvis es

kvira Sesaferisi ar aris. iyaviT Tanmimdevrulebi

Tqvens moqmedebebSi, ar gasceT Seusrulebeli

dapirebebi da sakuTar Tavze ar aiRoT didi

valdebulebebi. SabaT-kvira saukeTeso periodia

axali nacnobobisTvis.


yovelkvireuli gazeTi gamodis kviraSi

erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze

yovelkvireuli

gamodis samSabaTobiT fasi 2 lari

pirveli gverdi:

1 sm 2 _ 15 lari, maqsimaluri SekveTa 300 sm 2 ;

meore-mesame gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 3 lari;

Sida gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 1 lari;

bolos wina gverdi:

1sm 2 _2 lari;

bolo gverdi:

1sm 2 _ 3 lari,

maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;

mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _

1000 sm 2;

reklama CanarTis saxiT:

A3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;

A4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)

kviris horoskopi

morieli

kviris dasawyisSi bevri saqme geqnebaT

rogorc saxlSi, ise samsaxurSi. xelmZRvanelobam

SeiZleba xSirad Secvalos davalebebi da

Seqmnili situacia TqvenTvis advili ar iqneba.

SeiZleba ojaxSic inerviulon, radgan Tqvengan

raRac saqmis gakeTebas moelian. problemebi

gamoricxuli ar aris, magram didi albaTobiT,

Sedegi sasiamovno iqneba.

mSvildosani

kvira xelsayrelia finansuri gadawyvetilebebis

misaRebad. am drois ganmavlobaSi Tqveni

finansuri mdgomareoba unda gaumjobesdes. didwilad,

es SeiZleba moxdes profesiul saqmianobaSi

warmatebisa da arsebuli Tanxis racionaluri

gamoyenebis Sedegad. Tu axal SemoTavazebas

miiRebT, nu iCqarebT daTanxmebas, ifiqreT

da gadawyvetileba ise miiReT. SabaT-kvira sayidlebs

dauTmeT.

Txis rqa

varskvlavebi girCeven, Tavi aaridoT stresul

situaciebs. rac ufro naklebad inerviulebT,

miT ukeTesad igrZnobT Tavs. nebismieri

Sesyidva, gansakuTrebiT Zvirfas liTonebTan

dakavSirebuli, warmatebuli iqneba. siyvarulSi

sasiamovno siurprizebi geliT, am niSnis zogierT

warmomadgenels ki – perspeqtiuli nacnoboba.

merwyuli

SegiZliaT iseTi saqme dagegmoT, romelic

adre Tqvens SeSfoTebas iwvevda. axla SegiZliaT

miiRoT moulodneli da Zalian warmatebuli

gadawyvetilebebi, magram nu iCqarebT yvelafris

erTdroulad gakeTebas, iyaviT momTmeni. axali

nacnoboba sasiamovno da sasargeblo iqneba. finansur

urTierTobebSi sifrTxile unda gamoiCinoT:

kargi iqneba, Tu fuls ar isesxebT.

Tevzebi

Tevzebo, varskvlavebi SesaniSnav ganwyobasa

da mTeli kviris ganmavlobaSi yvela saqmeSi daxmarebas

gpirdebian. gamoiyeneT es! axla kargi

droa fulTan dakavSirebuli sakiTxebis mosagvareblad,

Tqveni ocnebis samuSaos misaRebad da

im adamianis keTilganwyobis mosapoveblad, romlis

mimarTac didi xania Tbili grZnobebi gaqvT.

aseve mosalodnelia saCuqrebi da siurprizebi

bavSvebisgan.

1 aSS dolari

3.3202

1 evro

3.9640

1 girvanqa sterlingi

4.5835

100 rusuli rubli

4.4518

amindi

orSabaTi

samSabaTi

oTxSabaTi

xuTSabaTi

paraskevi

SabaTi

kvira

Tbilisi

2-4 0

8-11 0

7-10 0

3-5 0

4-6 0

5-7 0

9-11 0

quTaisi

2-5 0

10-12 0

11-13 0

5-7 0

6-8 0

8-10 0

12-14 0

baTumi

3-4 0

8-10 0

9-11 0

5-6 0

6-8 0

10-12 0

11-13 0

zugdidi

4-6 0

10-12 0

11-12 0

7-9 0

8-10 0

9-11 0

13-15 0

gori

1-3 0

2-4 0

1-3 0

1-3 0

-3-4 0

1-3 0

4-7 0

Telavi

3-5 0

10-12 0

11-14 0

6-8 0

7-9 0

8-10 0

12-14 0

foTi

5-7 0

9-11 0

10-12 0

7-9 0

8-11 0

10-12 0

11-13 0

40

saredaqcio kolegia

yvela ufleba daculia;

`qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebuli

masalebis nebismieri saxiT

gamoyeneba da gavrceleba

redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad

akrZalulia!

gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul

masalebs aqvT sareklamo

xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia

SeiZleba ar daemTxves

redaqciis Sexedulebas.

mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)

marsagiSvili Sorena 599 92 16 22

stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;

vano pavliaSvili 595 48 35 85

redaqciis misamarTi:

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06

Tbilisi, gudauris N3,

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50

pirveli sarTuli, bina 4;

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55

tel.: injgia nene 591 71 39 98

294 69 77;

sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 81

sareklamo ganyofileba,

qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40

gavrcelebis samsaxuri

mamulaZe xviCa 598 41 12 26

Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10

deviZe daviT

gazeTi ibeWdeba stambaSi `tori~

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