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`opozicia saakaSvilis
„qarTulma ocnebam” didi xnis
Sorena marsagiSvili
win auria, magram arc opozicia-
599 92 16 22
Sia yvelaferi dalagebuli. miuxe-
davad imisa, rom opozicia kvlav
boikots ucxadebs parlaments, maT Soris sul ufro bevr sak-
iTxze Cndeba azrTa sxvadasxvaoba. es gansxvavebuli mosazrebe-
bi ar aSinebs „strategia aRmaSenebels”. partiis generalur
mdivan paata manjgalaZisTvis mniSvnelovania, rom opozicionerebma
erTmaneTs talaxi ar esrolon. Seqmnil viTarebaSi man-
jgalaZe plebiscitis Catarebas miesalmeba _ im plebiscitis,
romelic opoziciaSi morigi dapirispirebis mizezi gaxda.
599 92 16 22 paata manjgalaZe:
ra gza unda airCios opoziciam?
ratom aris misaRebi pleb-
isciti? ra SemTxvevaSi aqvs
azri mis Catarebas? ratom ar
sWirdeba qarTul politikas
mesia? _ amis Sesaxeb paata manj-
galaZe „qronika+”-s esaubreba:
_ plebiscitis Temam opoziciaSi
morigi vnebaTaRelva gamoiwvia.
ras fiqrobs amis Sesax-
eb „strategia aRmaSenebeli”?
_ Cven varT Tanmimdevrulebi.
migvaCnia, rom riggareSe arCevnebi
unda Catardes. Tu pirdapir
riggareSe arCevnebis daniSvna
SeuZlebelia, maSin arCevnebamde
unda Catardes plebisciti. ramdenadac
maxsovs, plebiscitis
Sesaxeb „nacionaluri moZraobis”
politaqtivmac miiRo gadawyvetileba
da amas daeTanxmnen.
am Temaze elCebis Tandaswrebi-
Tac visaubreT. ase rom, cota
gaugebaria, roca axla plebiscitze
uars amboben. CvenTvis gaugebaria
argumentebic, Tu ratom
amboben uars plebiscitis
Catarebaze.
_ ra argumentebzea saubari?
_ ra azri aqvs plebiscitis
Catarebas, Tu ceskos Tavmjdomare
isev Tamar Jvania iqneba?
is plebiscitis Sedegebs aucileblad
gaayalbebs.
_ es araa susti argumenti.
ceskos iseve SeuZlia plebiscitis
gayalbeba, rogorc arCevne-
bi gaayalba.
_ egre arc riggareSe arCevnebis
Catarebas aqvs azri. Tamar
Jvanias riggareSe arCevnebis gayalbebac
SeuZlia. es rom ar moxdes,
arc arCevnebi da arc plebisciti
Tamar Jvaniam ar unda
Caataros. rogorc ki plebisciti
dainiSneba, ceskoSi fundamenturi
cvlilebebi unda gatardes.
aseve unda ganxorcieldes
seriozuli saarCevno reforma.
winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, arc ar-
Cevnebis Catarebas aqvs azri, arc
_ referendumisas da arc _
plebiscitisas.
„strategia aRmaSenebeli” miiCnevs,
rom sazogadoebas Tavze
ar unda movaxvioT Cveni simar-
Tle, iseve rogorc „qocuri” simarTlis
Tavze moxveva ar Sei-
Zleba. gatardes saarCevno reforma
da dae, xalxma gadawyvitos,
ra aris namdvili simarTle.
am situaciaSi es gaxlavT sauke-
Teso gamosavali. sxva gza ar arsebobs.
Cven Tu axla es istoriuli
Sansi ar gamoviyeneT da am krizisidan
ar gamovediT, dagve-
marTeba is, rac gasuli saukunis
90-ian wlebSi moxda: erTmaneTs
SevaskdiT meorexarisxovan sakiTxebze,
ver gamoviyeneT istoriuli
SesaZlebloba. es Sansi
kargad gamoiyenes baltiis qveynebma
_ lietuva, latvia da estoneTi
gamovidnen sabWoTa kav-
Siris sazRvrebidan. saqarTvelo,
samwuxarod, isev am imperiis gavlenis
qveS darCa.
zustad igive tipis politikuri
da teqtonikuri Zvrebia
axla Cvens regionSi. aqedan gamomdinare,
rac male gamovalT am
krizisidan, ukeTesi iqneba Cveni
qveynisTvis.
_ ratom ggoniaT, rom pleb-
isciti am krizisidan gamoiyvans
qveyanas? iqneb, uaresad daiZa-
bos situacia?
_ Cven ar vamtkicebT, rom
plebisciti erTaderTi gamosavalia.
plebiscits ganvixilavT
erT-erT saSualebad, romliTac
mivaRwevT riggareSe arCevnebs.
plebisciti kidev sxva SesaZleblobas
gvaZlevs: aq opoziciuri
partiebi erTmaneTs ar daupirispirdebian,
rogorc es arCevnebze
moxda. SeTanxmebuli viyaviT,
rom opozicias saerTo maJoritarobis
kandidatebi eyoleboda.
am erTobis magaliTi kargad
vnaxeT isanSi, sadac giorgi
vaSaZes yvela partiam kandidati
dauyena.
plebiscits nomeri ar aqvs. es
gvaZlevs Sanss, rom mTeli opoziciuri
speqtri gaverTiandeT
da, faqtobrivad, referendumi
movuwyoT xelisuflebas. plebiscitiT
davumtkicebT „qarTul
ocnebas”, rom Cven ufro bevri
amomrCeveli gvyavs. davamtkicebT
imasac, rom vimsaxurebT
warmovadgendeT umravlesobis
interesebs qveyanaSi.
_ es maSin moxdeba, Tu pleb-
iscitamde miva saqme. opozici-
is nawili winaaRmdegia plebi-
scitis Catarebis.
_ unda davarwmunoT, rom
plebiscitis Catareba saWiroa.
mis Catarebas mxolod maSin eqneba
azri, Tu saarCevno reforma
gatardeba. saarCevno reformis
gareSe plebiscitis Catarebis
sakiTxs arc ki ganvixilavT. is
argumentebi, rasac Cveni oponentebi
iyeneben plebiscitis sawinaaRmdegod,
Tavisuflad Segvi-
Zlia gamoviyenoT riggareSe
arCevnebis winaaRmdeg. saqarTvelo
bananis respublika araa, rom
arCevnebze uari vTqvaT. rodesac
plebiscitze vsaubrobT, iq
`qarTul
politikaSi
mesianizmi unda
damTavrdes~
avtomaturad igulisxmeba saar-
Cevno reforma da isic, rom mas
ar atarebs Tamar Jvania.
_ xelisufleba dasTanxmdeba
saarCevno reformas?
_ xelisuflebas urCevnia,
rom arc vadamdeli arCevnebi
Catardes da arc _ plebisciti.
magaTi neba rom iyos, aw da maradis
ukuniTi ukunisamde iqnebodnen
xelisuflebaSi. Cven ase-
Ti saxelmwifos aSeneba ar gvinda.
Cven gvinda iseTi qveyana, sadac
xelisuflebam icis, rom
xval an zeg opoziciaSi gadava.
opozicias ki gaazrebuli aqvs
pasuxismgebloba, rom xval Sei-
Zleba, xelisufleba iyos. es mas
daafiqrebs. iseT raRacas ar gaakeTeben
dRes, romelic xval Sei-
Zleba win daxvdeT, rogorc antisaxelmwifoebrivi
qmedeba.
Cven, „strategia aRmaSenebeli”,
Zalian vfrTxilobT xolme,
rodesac raRac gancxadebebs vakeTebT.
migvaCnia, rom axla um-
Tavresi amocana am krizisidan
gamosvlaa. axla Tu ar gamovediT
krizisidan da ar gamoviyeneT
Sansi, Zalian didi xniT mogviwevs
ukan daxeva. imedi maqvs, fizikur
dapirispirebamde ar mivalT.
_ imedia, es ar moxdeba. seriozuli
dapirispirebis miuxedavad,
saqme jer Sexla-Semox-
lamde ar misula.
_ vfiqrob, rom aqamde mar-
Tlac ar mivalT. am imeds „qar-
Tuli ocnebis” goniereba sulac
ar maZlevs. amis imeds maZlevs
dasavleTis CarTulobis xarisxi.
„qarTul ocnebaSi” SiSoben, rom
maT SesaZloa, sanqciebi dauweson.
amis SiSiT xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebi pragmatul da
logikur nabijebs gadadgamen.
Tavisi keTili nebiT ase aravi-
Tar SemTxvevaSi ar moiqcevian.
_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom
`saqarTvelo bananis respublika araa, rom
arCevnebze uari vTqvaT. rodesac plebiscitze
vsaubrobT, iq avtomaturad igulisxmeba
saarCevno reforma da isic, rom mas ar
atarebs Tamar Jvania~
eSiniaT dasavleTis?
_ maT im sanqciebis eSiniaT,
romelic maT SeiZleba dasavleTma
dauwesos.
_ premier RaribaSvilis xist
ritorikas Tu SevxedavT, didi
SiSi ar unda hqondeT.
_ ase ar vityodi. saqarTvelo
ruseTi rom yofiliyo, maSin
marTla ar SeeSindebodaT. ruseTs
marTla SeuZlia, dasavleTisgan
damoukidebeli politika
awarmoos. misi energoresursebi,
navTobi, gazi amis SesaZleblobas
aZlevs. Cveni ekonomikis 70%
damokidebulia dasavleTidan
Semosul investiciebze, Sesabamisad,
veranairad davupirispirdebiT
aSS-sa da evropas.
_ Tu mainc davupirispird-
iT?
_ maSin radikalurad unda
SevcvaloT qveynis sagareo kursi,
avirCioT belarusisa da TurqmeneTis
gza, rasac saqarTvelos
mosaxleoba ar Seegueba. Tu
ase dadga sakiTxi, maSin aq seriozuli
procesebi daiwyeba. fizikuradac
ki unda gavuwioT amas
winaaRmdegoba. brZolis avangardSi
Cven aucileblad viqnebiT.
_ arada, „strategia aRmaSenebeli”
yovelTvis brZolis mSvi-
dobian meTodebze RaRadebda.
_ Cven dialogis momxre varT,
magram Tu davinaxeT, rom saqar-
Tvelo TurqmeneTis an belarusis
gzas daadga, maSin fizikuradac
SevecdebiT, rom aseTi xelisufali
CamovaSoroT qveynis
marTvis sadaveebs.
_ axla ar vadgavarT viTom
TurqmeneTisa da belarusis
gzas? erTpartiuli parlamenti
ukve gvyavs da bevri ar gviklia.
_ erTpartiuli parlamenti
imitom gvyavs, rom samarTliani
arCevnebi gvinda. opozicia parlamentSi
amis gamo ar Sedis da
amisTvis vixdiT fass, romelsac
erTpartiuli parlamenti hqvia.
evropis umaRlesi Tanamdebobis
piri iyo Camosuli saqarTvelo-
Si. miSeli 27 qveyanas warmoadgens.
es kaci pirdapir gveubneba,
_ me fasilitatori ki aRar var,
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