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pirad dacvad gadaaqcia~
dodiT.
_ ramdenime wlis winaT amas
verc Cven warmovidgendiT. Tu
vinme ar unda damdgariyo „nacionalebTan”
erTad, es Cven
viyaviT.
_ ratom ar unda damd-
gariyaviT maT gverdiT?
_ Tu vinmem ziani miiRo „nacionalebisgan”
am 9 wlis manZilze,
es Cven viyaviT: ofisSi Semogvivarda
specrazmi da dagvarbia.
Cveni lideris, Salva naTelaSvilis
dakaveba undodaT. yvela
arCevnebi gagviyalbes. kidev
uamravi magaliTis moyvana Semi-
Zlia, magram axla amis gaxsenebis
dro ar aris. axla saqarTvelos
sWirdeba gadarCena. leiboristebi
vdgavarT iq, sadac
qveyanas sWirdeba. Cven arc „nacionalebis”
dros gamogvitovebia
saprotesto aqciebi. imdeni
gazi gvaqvs im darbevebis dros
naylapi, germanelebs rom ar
gamouyenebiaT sakoncentracio
banakebSi.
_ dRes Tqven dadixarT „na-
cionalebis” dasacavad. isini
sxva opoziciur partiebTan er-
Tad Tqvens ofisSi ikribebian.
yofili xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebTan
arasdros gisaubriaT
imaze, ase ratom geq-
ceodnenT?
_ am Temaze saubari rogor ar
gvqonia. „nacionalebi” CvenTan
mimarTebiT TavianT Secdomebsa
da gadacdomebs aRiareben. arc
imas malaven, rom maT dros bevri
danaSuli xdeboda. amitomac
arian axla isini opoziciaSi.
qveynis saTaveSi ki gacilebiT
uaresi Zalaa, romelsac qarTuli
saxelmwifoebriobis mospoba
unda. amas yvelanairad unda davupirispirdeT.
amitomac aRar
vixsenebT warsuls da danarCen
opoziciasTan erTad vibrZviT
reJimis winaaRmdeg.
am qveyanas araferi eSveleba,
Tu ZalTa balanss ar davicavT.
amisTvis aucilebelia koaliciuri
mTavroba. parlamentSi rac
SeiZleba bevri politikuri partia
unda iyos warmodgenili.
politikuri procesebi parlamentSi
unda duRdes da ara _ qu-
CaSi. roca koaliciuri mTavroba
gveyoleba, partiebi gaakontroleben
erTmaneTs: aRmoifxvreba
korufcia; sasamarTlo bevrad
ufro Tavisufali iqneba; prokuraturac
Tavis formatSi Cajdeba;
policiac ver gabedavs ukanonobas;
veRaravis waarTmeven biznessa
da finansebs. faSisturi
socialuri garemos Seqmnac warmoudgeneli
iqneba. axla ra xdeba?
_ yvela sikeTes flobs erTi
mdidari, oligarqiuli kasta. sazogadoebis
danarCen nawils
aRiqvams meorexarisxovan monebad.
moxdeba sikeTis Tanabari
gadanawileba da amdeni mSieri
adamianic aRar gveyoleba. dRes
adamianebi nagvis bunkerebSi eZeben
saWmels.
Cixidan gamosvla da dasavleTisken
siaruli Tu isev gvin-
`dRes `qarTul ocnebas~ sazogadoebaSi minimaluri mxardaWerac ki aRar
aqvs. maTi erTaderTi dasayrdeni aris Zalovani struqturebi. ivaniSvilma
yvelaferi gaakeTa imisTvis, rom Zalovani struqturebis xelmZRvanelebad
misi kariskacebi da piradi mcvelebi yofiliyvnen. dRes qveyanasac da
Zalovan uwyebebsac ivaniSvilis monebi marTaven. amitom aris, rom aRarc
policia gvyavs da arc saxelmwifo gvaqvs~
da, maSin arsebuli realoba unda
SevcvaloT. koaliciuri mTavrobis
gareSe aq samarTlianoba ar
aRdgeba. koaliciuri mTavroba
maSin gveyoleba, Tu demokratiulad
CavatarebT arCevnebs. ai,
amisTvis unda vibrZoloT. demokratiul
qveyanas ase avaSenebT,
xolo Tu monobaSi yofna gvir-
Cevnia, maSin yvelaferi ise davtovoT,
rogorc dRes.
biZina ivaniSvili Tavis qveSevrdomebma
lamis suliwmindad
gamoacxades, romelic yvelgan
sufevs. xels Tu ar gavanZrevT,
araferi Seicvleba. Cven nelnela
davemsgavsebiT im arsebebs,
romlebsac gejaSi usxamen saWmels.
_ Tqven TqviT, rom parlamentSi
rac SeiZleba meti politikuri
partia unda iyoso. ramdenime
partiam gadalaxa bar-
ieri. ukeTesi xom ar iqneboda,
rom parlamentSi SesuliyaviT?
xelisufleba ra xania, mogi-
wodebT, SemodiTo. ramdenime
meocnebe amtkicebs, egeni imit-
om ar Semodian, muSaoba ezare-
baTo.
_ arCevnebi samarTlianad rom
Catarebuuliyo, Cven dRes parlamentSi
viqnebodiT. „qarTuli
ocneba” opoziciaSi gadavidoda
da arc qveyanaSi Seiqmneboda amxela
politikuri krizisi. gayalbebuli
arCevnebis Semdeg parlamentSi
Sesvla ar Rirs, es mxolod
„qarTuli ocnebis” interesebSi
Sedis. isini Cven gareSe iq
Tavs kargad grZnoben, magram
opozicia imisTvis undaT, rom
dasavleTs Tavi moawonon da
Tqvan, demokratiul qveyanas
vaSenebTo. „ocnebis” kargad warmoCena
Cveni mizani namdvilad ar
aris. arCevnebi rom ar gaeyalbebinaT,
dRes xelisufleba am samarcxvino
da uinteleqto monebisgan
ukve gawmendili iqneboda.
yvelaferi unda gakeTdes
imisTvis, rom riggareSe arCevnebi
dainiSnos.
_ xelisufleba ambobs, rom
riggareSe arCevnebis Tema ar
ganixileba.
`wulukiani amas marTla izamda. opoziciis
ofisi daarbies, opoziciis lideri daakaves
da wulukiani Ss ministrs sayvedurobs, aseTi
humanurebi rogor xarTo? wulukianis neba
rom yofiliyo, vici, rogorc moiqceoda~
_ riggareSe arCevnebi maT interesebSi
ar Sedis, Cven unda
vaiZuloT, rom es arCevnebi
dainiSnos.
_ rogor unda aiZuloT?
_ formula metad martivia.
_ martivi?
_ diax. imisTvis, rom riggareSe
arCevnebi dainiSnos, sul
ori ramea saWiro: garedan _ sanqciebi,
SigniT _ aqciebi.
_ sanqciebi ki gamoiRebda
Sedegs, magram dauweseben?
_ aucileblad dauweseben.
_ „qarTuli ocneba” ambobs,
rom msgavsi ram mosalodneli
ar aris.
_ am gancxadebiT „qarTuli
ocneba” Tavsac imSvidebs da
amomrCevelsac amSvidebs. saku-
Tar momxreebs arwmunebs, aranairi
sanqcia ar gvemuqrebao. imasac
amtkiceben, Cvens mamamarCenal
arqifo-biZinas araferi emuqrebao.
arada, situacia kritikulia.
erTianobiT, principulobi-
Ta da SeuvalobiT unda movigoT.
dasavleTis pozicia „qarTuli
ocnebis” wisqvilze namdvilad
ar asxams wyals.
SigniT aqciebi Tu agorda da
garedan sanqciebi wamovida, ivaniSvili
pirveli wava daTmobaze,
gundis wevrebsac ki arafers
SeekiTxeba. arc aqamde ekiTxeboda
maT rames da axla miT umetes
ar kiTxavs. am adamians yvelaze
metad Tavisi fuli uyvars. fulis
siyvaruli aiZulebs mas da-
Tmobaze wasvlas. mjera, rom
riggareSe dainiSneba da saqarTvelosac
eRirseba samarTliani da
demokratiuli arCevnebi. am mojadoebuli
wridan, romelSic
ukve 30 welia vtrialebT, mxolod
koaliciuri mTavrobis
daxmarebiT gamovalT.
yovelgvari gadaWarbebis gareSe
vityvi, rom dRes saqarTvelos
yofna-aryofnis sakiTxi
dgas. SeiZleba damoukidebloba
davkargoT, Tan ise davkargoT,
rom misi mopoveba verasdros
SevZloT. dRes damoukidebeli
qveyana rom gvqvia, es im adamianebis
damsaxurebaa, romlebmac
Tavi gaswires. amagi arc Cvens
dasavlel megobrebs unda davukargoT.
dasavleTi rom ara,
Cven ruseTs Tavs ver davaRwevdiT.
gansakuTrebiT dagvexmara
amerikis SeerTebuli Statebi.
Cven jer kidev viTvlebiT
dasavleTis mokavSired. Tu es
mokavSireoba davkargeT, maSin
davkargavT damoukideblobasac
da suverenitetsac. yvelaferi
iqiT midis, rom Seecdebian, damoukidebloba
wagvarTvan. SevxedoT,
ra xdeba Cven garSemo. iqmneba
raRac axali kavSiri, romlis
SemadgenlobaSic ruseTi,
TurqeTi, irani, somxeTi, azerbaijani
da saqarTvelo unda Sevidnen.
_ Cven ar vapirebT am gaer-
TianebaSi Sesvlas.
_ Cven ara, magram arqifo-biZina
Tanaxma iqneba. dasavleTis
mxardaWera Tu aRar gveqna, ise
Segviyvanen am gaerTianebaSi,
azrsac ar gvkiTxaven. es gaer-
Tianeba evraziul kavSirze uaresia.
iq Tavi Tu Segvayofines,
CaTvaleT, rom ruseT-TurqeTs
Soris gaformdeba yarsis axali
xelSekruleba da es ori qveyana
kidev erTxel gainawilebs saqar-
Tvelos teritoriebs. Tavis
wils moiTxovs iranic. aseTi
saqarTvelo Tu gvinda, ki batono,
xma ar amoviRoT da araferi
gavaprotestoT. protestSi me
quCaSi gamosvlas vgulisxmob.
socialur qselebSi drodadro
postebis dawera Sedegs ar
moitans. klaviaturaze kakuniT
ivaniSvils ver davamarcxebT.
mZlavri saprotesto aqciebia
saWiro, romelic dasavluri sanqciebiT
iqneba gamagrebuli. socialuri
qselebiTac unda gamovxatoT
ukmayofileba, magram
axla fexze dgomaa saWiro.
_ sazogadoebis nawili mzad
iyo, fexze damdgariyo, magram
opoziciam ramdenjerme gadado
daanonsebuli aqciebi. Tqveni
azriT, es ar anelebs protests?
_ saprotesto ganwyobaze es
namdvilad aisaxeba, magram opozicia
iZulebuli iyo, daanonsebuli
aqciebi gadaedo.
_ ram aiZula opozicia, ase
moqceuliyo?
_ es Cveni mxridan iyo taqtikuri
nabiji. amiT xelisuflebas
spekulaciis safuZveli aRar
davutoveT. dRes Tu vinmes ar
awyobs dialogi, es „qarTuli
ocnebaa”. ivaniSvilis monebi
cdiloben, dialogi CaiSalos.
aqciebi rom gagvemarTa, amas molaparakebebis
CaSlis sababad
gamoiyenebdnen. ityodnen, opoziciam
CaSala molaparakebebio.
amaT xom iciT, gamCeni ar asvenebs
da yvelafers ikadreben.
aqciebi mxolod ramdenime dRiT
gadavdeT. xelisufleba daTmobaze
Tu ar wamova, maSin aqciac
iqneba da amas moyveba sanqciac.
vimeoreb, aqcia mxolod imitom
SevaCereT, rom xelisuflebas
ar eTqva, konstruqciuli
dialogi ar surs opoziciaso.
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