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upirobo mzaobas acxadebs~
yvela gadawyvetileba, pirdapir
Tu iribad, mainc biZina ivaniSvilTan
aris dakavSirebuli da
mainc mis politikur gemovnebasTan
Tu mis msoflmxedvelobasTan
asocirdeba, rac Zalian
mZimed daujda saqarTvelos am
cxra wlis ganmavlobaSi.
_ prezidentis rezidenciaSi
Sarl miSelTan gamarTuli Sexvedridan
ramdenime saaTSi opoz-
iciurma partiebma da samoqalaqo
aqtivistebma daiwyes parlamentis
piketireba. amasTan dakav-
SirebiT xelisuflebis warmomad-
genlebma opoziciisken gaiSvires
TiTi, rom igi destruqciulad
iqceoda, miuxedavad imisa, rom
garkveuli komunikacia Sedga xe-
lisuflebasa da opozicias
Soris miSelTan Sexvedris dros.
aqedan gamomdinare, fiqrobT Tu
ara, rom piketirebis mcdelobiT
xelisuflebas TiTis gaSveris sa-
babi mieciT?
_ es ambavi TiTidan gamowovilia,
es ar iyo Senobis blokireba.
deputatebi manqanebiT Tavisuflad
Sediodnen parlamentis
ezoSi, ubralod, iyo garkveuli
SeZaxilebi Sesvlis dros. arc
erT deputats ar Seqmnia parlamentSi
Sesvlis problema. roca
xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebma
meore dRes moindomes mizezad
piketis Temis gamoyeneba, Tavadve
aiWrnen winadadebaSi, radgan amave
dros gamoacxades, rom maTTvis
wina dRes SeTanxmebuli sakiTxebic
mouRebelia da wiTeli xazebi
arsebobso. maT undodaT pasuxismgeblobisgan
gamoZroma da
raRacebi Tqves. rodesac batoni
pavilionisi iyo Camosuli da misi
TxovniT rodesac opoziciam 25
Tebervlis aqciaze vTqviT uari,
yvelas gvaxsovs, ra gancxadebebi
gaakeTes „qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgenlebma,
rom opozicia
xalxs ver krebs da amitom viTom
saerTaSoriso partniors gadaabrales
aqciis gauqmebao. opozicias
3 marts gvqonda Sekreba da
vTqviT, rom gavagrZelebT aqciebs,
kvlav protestis formas gamoviyenebT,
magram ar iqneba saxelisuflebo
Senobebis piketireba,
raTa maT ar mivceT molaparakebis
CaSlis sababi. amdenad, „qarTuli
ocneba” ase martivad ver
gamoZvreba situaciidan. Zalian
seriozuli procesia dawyebuli,
sruliad gansxvavebul etapzea
realoba, rodesac aseTi maRali
rangis saerTaSoriso warmomadgenloba
erTveba da vfiqrob,
didi ugunureba iqneba, rom
„qarTulma ocnebam” procesis CaSlis
mcdeloba gaagrZelos.
_ parlamentis win opoziciuri
politikuri partiebis, arasamTavrobo
organizaciebisa da samo-
qalaqo aqtivistebis karvebia
gaSlili. am nawilSi xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebi da mxardam-
Werebi ironiulad aRniSnaven im
faqts, rom TiTo orola adami-
ania parlamentis win. isini imasac
amboben, rom policielebi da
Jurnalistebi ufro meti arian,
vidre _ aqtivistebi. ratom ar
gamodis xalxi quCaSi?
_ xalxi mudmivad ver dadgeba
quCaSi. karavi swored aqtivobis
iseTi formaa, rodesac saprotes-
`ar mgonia, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ deputatebi ver acnobierebdnen, ras
saubroben, arc egeTi sulelebi arian, magram CemTvis auxsneli qmedebebi
axasiaTebT. magaliTad, SturmiT Seteva nika melias dasaWerad `nacionaluri
moZraobis~ ofisze, sadac uamravi adamiani iyo, maT Soris, opoziciuri
partiebis warmomadgenlebi da Tavadac gaxldiT iq. am Sturmidan meore
dRes `qarTuli ocneba~ melias gareT gamosvlaze saubrobs, araviTari
problema ar ariso, praqtikulad, lamis cixis kari gauRes, rom gareT
gamoiyvanon. am or qmedebas Soris ra logikaa, ubralod, ar mesmis~
to warmomadgenloba unda iyos
da ara adamianebis mTeli samitinge
raodenoba. maxsovs, analogiurad
gveubneboda wina xelisufleba,
rodesac aseve gaSlili iyo
karvebi da saknebi rusTavelze.
isini ambobdnen, rom xalxs ver
vkrebdiT da tyuilad iyo quCebi
gadaketili, am dros ki gaxsovT,
ramdeni xalxi iyo Sekrebili.
Zalian cudia, rodesac adamianebi
xelisuflebaSi xvdebian da viwydebaT
wina xelisuflebis Secdomebi.
viRacebi maSin opozicia-
Sic namyofebi iyvnen, axla ki aRar
darCa „qarTul ocnebaSi” aseTi,
magram roca iyvnen, maTac daaviwydaT,
risTvis ibrZodnen da xelisuflebaSi
yofnis pirobebSi
uari Tqves TavianT principebze,
rac samwuxaroa. xalxi Seikribeba
maSin, roca saWiroa _ karavi aris
protestis gansxvavebuli forma
da is aqtivistebi, romlebic iq
morigeoben da Zalian bevr aqcia-
Si monawileoben, maTi aqtivizmi
Zalian dasafasebelia _ es aris
samoqalaqo aqtivizmi da politikuri
partiebi ufro masStaburi
aqciebis formas mivmarTavT xolme,
roca amis saWiroeba arsebobs.
_ masStaburi aqciebis saWir-
oeba iyo, jer kidev, maSin, roca
2020 wlis arCevnebis Semdeg
opoziciam ganacxadeT, rom xe-
lisuflebam arCevnebi gaayalba
da parlamentSi Sesvlas boikoti
`rac mTavaria, kovids xelisufleba uefeqtures
iaraRad iyenebs. es iaraRi man gamoiyena
winasaarCevno periodSi, arCevnebis dResac
imedovnebda, rom kovidis gamo amomrCevlis
udidesi nawili ar mividoda saarCevno
yuTebTan da is gayalbebis abdaubda swored
imis gamo daemarTaT, rom vidre elodnen,
imaze bevrad meti amomrCeveli mivida
saarCevno yuTebTan. es rom `qarTuli ocnebis~
amomrCeveli ar iyo, zustad icodnen da
amitomac gagiJdnen da miiRes davaleba, rom
radac ar unda dajdomodaT, `qarTuli ocnebis~
sasargeblod unda SeedginaT dokumentacia. is
abdaubda da daubalansebloba, rac oqmebSi
iyo, swored amis nayofia~
gamoucxadeT, Tumca es masSt-
aburi aqciebi ver Sedga. fiqrobT
Tu ara, rom swori komuni-
kaciis problema gaqvT opozi-
cias mosaxleobasTan da sakuTar
amomrCevelTan?
_ ar vambob, rom opozicia
raimes ar aklebs. magaliTad, „lelos”
ukve didi xania dagegmili
gvaqvs regionebSi gasvla, Tumca,
jerjerobiT, mxolod fragmentulad
vaxerxebT. 4 marts Cveni
warmomadgenlebi enguris xidTan
iyvnen, e. w. saokupacio zolTan
myofi sazRvrispira soflebisTvis
saokupacio statusis moxsnis
gamo protesti gamoxates. statusis
moxsna absoluturad auxsneli
da gaugebaria. aseve anaklia-
Sic iyvnen, sadac protesti gamoTqves
swored anakliis proeqtis
gaCerebis gamo. Cven ganzraxva
gvqonda, rom Zalian seriozulad
unda gadavrTuliyaviT regionebze
muSaobasa da soflebSi siarulze,
magram es garemoeba ar
gvaZlevs amis SesaZleblobas,
radgan xan molaparakebaa, xan vi-
Racas iWeren, xan stumari Camodis,
visTanac urTierToba aucilebelia
da rac mTavaria, kovidi,
romelsac xelisufleba uefeqtures
iaraRad iyenebs. es iaraRi
man gamoiyena winasaarCevno periodSi,
arCevnebis dResac imedovnebda,
rom kovidis gamo amomrCevlis
udidesi nawili ar mividoda
saarCevno yuTebTan da is
gayalbebis abdaubda swored imis
gamo daemarTaT, rom vidre elodnen,
imaze bevrad meti amomrCeveli
mivida saarCevno yuTebTan. es
rom „qarTuli ocnebis” amomrCeveli
ar iyo, zustad icodnen
da amitomac gagiJdnen da miiRes
davaleba, rom radac ar unda dajdomodaT,
„qarTuli ocnebis”
sasargeblod unda SeedginaT dokumentacia.
is abdaubda da daubalansebloba,
rac oqmebSi iyo,
swored amis nayofia. Tumca amis
Semdgomac vxedavT, rom absoluturad
auxsneli mizezebiT ar auqmeben
komendantis saaTs. Zalian
Znelia adamianebisTvis, rom aqciaze
Camovidnen raionebidan da
komendantis saaTis gamo, aqciebidan
wasuli xalxi daajarimes.
ase rom, bevri problemaa xelovnurad
Seqmnili. procesic
sakmaod gaiwela da yovel wuTs
quCaSi ver dadgeba amdeni aTasi
adamiani. gonieri xelisuflebis
pirobebSi, rodesac krizisi iqmneba,
misi ganmuxtvis gza aris vadamdeli
arCevnebis daniSvna da
amas amdeni energiis xarjva ar
unda sWirdebodes, magram, samwuxarod,
Cven iseTi xelisufleba
gvyavs, romelTanac ar gadis es
Segonebebi da gvWirdeba, rom
xSirad mivmarToT protestis
formebs.
_ sabolood, daTmobs Tu ara
vadamdel arCevnebs xelisufle-
ba?
_ dRes Tu ar wamova am daTmobaze,
xval mouwevs, xval Tu ara
_ zeg. ubralod, SeuZlebelia, es
situacia vadamdeli arCevnebis
gareSe gadarCes. 4 marts irakli
RaribaSvili mTavrobis sxdomaze
gamovida da gveubneba, rom Turme
momavali 10-wliani ekonomikuri
ganviTarebis gegma unda
Seadginos, maSin roca ekonomikis
saSineli vardna gvaqvs da es Tu
didxans gagrZelda, saerTod
rogor unda amovZvreT am situaciidan?
amitom aris vadamdeli
arCevnebi umniSvnelovanesi, rom
axali politikuri realoba SevqmnaT,
aseve ekonomikisTvisac, sasamarTlo
sistemisTvisac axali realoba
SevqmnaT, rom bevri mniSvnelovani
investicia movizidoT
qveyanaSi. 4 marts anakliis portze
saubrobda premieri, Cven
Tvalwin Caiara am procesma, rogor
xelovnurad dablokes da
Caagdes igi. xazaraZe-jafariZe
cixeSi gasaSvebad gaimetes, rom es
proeqti ar ganxorcielebuliyo.
es saqme dResac daZinebulia. vin
unda daujeros dRes qveynis premier
RaribaSvils, rom is TiTqos
anakliis proeqtisTvis investorebis
moZiebas apirebs, maSin rodesac
ukve moZiebuli investorebi
qveynidan gayares da uzarmazari
zarali anaxes?! Tqven iciT,
rom JenevaSi procesia dawyebuli
am uprecedento motyuebasa da
gadadgebasTan dakavSirebiT saqarTvelos
xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg?
xelisuflebis mxridan amdeni
blefiT rodemde unda vicxovroT?!
iseTi problemebia dagrovili
saqarTveloSi, rom RmerTma
nu qnas, es yvelaferi
udides socialur afeTqebamde
mivides. es Zalian Zvirad daujdeba
yvelas da rTuli iqneba am socialuri
afeTqebidan qveynis
normaluri ganviTarebis kalapotSi
Semobruneba. Zalian Znelia,
roca xelisuflebas es ar
esmis. Cven unda vibrZoloT bolomde
da ar davzogoT Tavi, rom
dRes Tu ara xval, xval Tu ara
zeg da ramdenime TveSi mivaRwioT
im gadawyvetilebas, rasac vadamdeli
arCevnebis daniSvna hqvia.
aseve Zalian mniSvnelovania politpatimrebis
ganTavisufleba.
ubralod, warmoudgenelia, rom
rame iluzia SevqmnaT samarTliani
garemosi, miT umetes, winasaarCevno
periodSi, Tu saqarTveloSi
politpatimrebi isev iarsebeben.
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