qronika+3(335)

romel politikur ZalebTan
TanamSromlobs dasavleTi? vis
interesebs atareben prodasav-
luri imijis mqone partiebi?
rogor „gulaoben” rusuli
specsamsaxurebi saqarTveloSi?
_ amis Sesaxeb mamuka giorgaZe
„qronika+”-s esaubreba:
_ qveyanaSi arsebul viTarebaze
xelisuflebasa da mis oponentebs
gansxvavebuli poziciebi
aqvT. erTni aRiareben kriz-
isis arsebobas, meoreni _ ara.
Tqven ras fiqrobT, aris Tu ara
krizisi?
_ qveyanaSi Seqmnilia urTulesi
mdgomareoba. politikur
enaze amas krizisi hqvia. saxelmwifoebrivi
cxovreba Camkvdaria,
qveyana klanebs Soris sabrZolo
sivrced gadaiqca. politikuri
procesis ganviTareba maT Soris
brZolas ewireba. amas TiToeuli
Cvengani sakuTar tyavze vgrZnobT.
es yvelaferi aisaxeba Cvens
socialur Tu politikur yofa-
Si, teritoriuli mTlianobis
aRdgenis Temebze, ekonomikaze.
lamis, naxevar saqarTvelos fsiqozi
aqvs.
Cvens tyavze gamocdiliT Tu
ver vakeTebT daskvnas ucxoelebs
mainc davujeroT. Camovida
miSeli da Riad gviTxra, _ xalxo,
ras akeTebT, imxela gamowvevebis
winaSe dgaxarT, rasac axla Tqven
SvrebiT, ar SeiZleba, normalurma
saxelmwifom gaakeToso.
Cvenma dasavleTelma megobrebma
gviTxres martivi WeSmariteba,
rom qveyana warmatebas ver
miaRwevs, Tu sasamarTlo ar aris
damoukidebeli. ixmares termini
politikuri sasamarTlo, polarizebuli
sazogadoeba. patara
bavSvebiviT agviwia yurebi
miSelma da pirdapir gviTxra, xelisuflebis
gadanawilebaze ifiqreT
da daamTavreT sabWoTa
kavSirio. ar SeiZleba, mxolod
erT partias erqvas progresi da
reformebis gamtarebeli, xolo
danarCeni debilebad da kretinebad
gamocxaddes.
_ yvelaferi erTi partiis
xelSi rom ar unda iyos, es
Cvenc gadasarevad viciT, ma-
gram, ratomRac, iseT arCevans
vakeTebT, rom yvelaferi erT
partias uvardeba xelSi.
arCevnebic yalbdeba, magram
raRac xom Cveni bralic aris?
raRacaze sazogadoebamac xom
unda vagoT pasuxi?
_ qveyanaze erT partias rom
aqvs diqtati damyarebuli, es
Cveni bralia. arCevnebi rom yalbdeba,
amazec Cven varT pasux-
22
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com
`saqarTveloSi rusulma
erovnuli moZraobis erT-erTi
Sorena marsagiSvili
lideri, mamuka giorgaZe, pes-
599 92 16 22
imizmiT uyurebs axali erovnul-
ganmaTavisuflebeli moZraobis
Seqmnas. misi TqmiT, aseTi moZraoba maSin iqmneba, roca qvey-
anas damoukidebloba dakarguli aqvs. giorgaZes arc mesame
Zalis Seqmnis sjera. ambobs, rom e. w. mesame Zala politikur
arenaze xelisuflebis nebarTviT gamodis. misTvis mTlad
gasagebi arc erTpartiul parlamentze atexili vaiuSvele-
belia. ambobs, rom oc welze metia, rac saqarTvelos erT-
partiuli parlamenti hyavs.
599 92 16 22 mamuka giorgaZe:
ismgebeli. am 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi
normaluri unar-Cvevebis
mqone adamianebi nel-nela CamovacileT
saxelmwifoebriv cxovrebas.
wina planze wamowies
teqnikuri partiebi da samoqalaqo
aqtivistebi. dRes saqarTveloSi
samoqalaqo aqtivisti gaxda
profesia.
_ ar aris samoqalaqo aqtiv-
isti profesia?
_ ara! es rogor SeiZleba,
profesia iyos?! adamianebi bunebiT
unda iyvnen aqtivistebi da
samoqalaqo cxovrebas ewodnen.
Cvens SemTxvevaSi es profesia
gaxda. arasamTavroboebma miziduloba
dakarges. axla samoqalaqo
aqtivistebia modaSi. monopolizaciisken
wavida saqme da im
niSnulamde mivediT, rom bolo
20 wlis manZilze parlamentSi ar
yofila saxelmwifoebrivi sityva
naTqvami. afxazeTisa da cxinvalis
problemis mogvarebaze
didi xania, ar usaubriaT qveynis
umaRless sakanonmdeblo organoSi.
_ dakargul teritoriebs
aRarc ki axseneben, TiTqos
araferi dagvikargavs.
_ zedmeti Tavmdablobis gareSe
vityvi, rom am Temaze saubari
mas Semdeg dasrulda, rac saxalxo
partia aRar aris parlamentSi.
yvelaze aqtualuri Tema
bolos iyo daviTgarejis sakiTxi.
aravin saubrobs imaze, ra
eSveleba am saqmes. amis nacvlad
mTeli eri imas arkvevs, damna-
Saveebi arian Tu ara iliCova da
melaSvili. yvelaferi irakli
RaribaSvilma rogor icis, viRacasac
hkiTxos rame. CvenTan xom
asea _ yvelaferi im kacma icis,
vinc qveyanas marTavs. jer kidev
ori kviris win aseTi giorgi gaxaria
iyo, axla yvelafrismcodne
RaribaSvilia. is rom wava premierobidan,
misi Semcvleli gaxdeba
yvelafrismcodne. weliwadze
metia, rac pandemiaa saqarTveloSi
da mxolod axla viwyebT
vaqcinebze saubars. rodis Semoitanen
vaqcinas, es aravin icis.
Zalian vemsgavsebiT sabWoTa
kavSirs. rogorc maSin, axlac
yvela Tema politikaze gadis.
politikaze gadis iseTi Tema,
rogoricaa vaqcinacia da hesebis
mSenebloba. fexburTi da ragbic
politikad gadaiqca. es imitom
xdeba, rom saqarTveloSi
totalitaruli reJimi myardeba.
mxolod totalitarul qveyneb-
Sia yvelaferi politika. Tavis
droze, musolini Caeria, rom
italia gamxdariyo msoflio Cem-
`naxevar
saqarTvelos
fsiqozi aqvs~
pioni. argentinis xuntam argentina
gaxada msoflio Cempioni.
_ Cvenebi amaSic ar uqnia RmerTs.
fexburTSi msoflio Cem-
pionebi rom gagvxadon, maT
winaaRmdeg xmis amomRebi aravin
iqneba.
_ am adamianebs ki vicnobT
diqtatorebad, magram isini Cveni
xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebze
gacilebiT ufro Tavisuflebi
iyvnen. yvelafers rom
Tavi davaneboT, TviTon movidnen
xelisuflebaSi, aravis winaSe
grZnobdnen Tavs valdebulad da
bma hqondaT Tavis qveyanasTan.
CvenTan ra xdeba?! arc Tavad
aqvT politikuri begraundi, saxelmwifoebriv
aRmSeneblobaSi
monawileoba ar miuRiaT. sxvam
dasva xelisuflebis saTaveSi da
im sxvis winaSe arian angariSvaldebulebi.
dRevandel dRes saSualo
asakis qarTvels erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebel
moZraobaSi Tu
ar aqvs monawileoba miRebuli,
parlamentSi ra unda? dRes moqmedi
politikosebis didi nawili
erovnuli moZraobis mowinaaRmdege
banakSi maxsovs. Cemi Taobis
xalxs vgulisxmob.
Cven xSirad vsaubrobT israelze
da gvainteresebs, Tu
ratom aris es qveyana aseTi Zlieri
da warmatebuli? es qveyana
imitom aris warmatebuli, rom
maTi parlamentis wevrebis 90%-
s israelisTvis brZolebSi aqvs
monawileoba miRebuli. israelis
parlamentSi, sul mcire, aTi
kaci mainc aris yofili generali
an genStabis ufrosi.
_ generaluri Stabis yofili
ufrosi Cvens parlamentSic
aris.
_ ki batono, aris. israelis
parlamentSi mogebuli omebis
generlebi arian. Cvens politikur
liderebs saxelmwifoebriobasTan
bma ar aqvT. bevri
maTgani jarSic ki araa namyofi.
_ jars vin Civis, aqciebzec
ar arian namyofi. dRes xSirad
akritikeben wina xelisuflebas,
magram „nacionalebis” dros isi-
ni mitingze aravis unaxavs.
_ aqciebze ra undodaT? _ im
`Cvens tyavze gamocdiliT Tu ver vakeTebT
daskvnas ucxoelebs mainc davujeroT. Camovida
miSeli da Riad gviTxra, - xalxo, ras akeTebT,
imxela gamowvevebis winaSe dgaxarT, rasac
axla Tqven SvrebiT, ar SeiZleba, normalurma
saxelmwifom gaakeToso~
dros saguldagulod imalebodnen.
bevri maTgani maSin Tavad
iyo „naci”. dRevandel xelisuflebas,
komunistebisa ar iyos,
qveynis pirdapiri marTva aRar
SeuZliaT, amitom SemogvTavazes
tragikomikuri speqtaklebi.
„qarTuli ocnebis” interesebSi
ar Sedis, rom mniSvnelovan Temebze
visaubroT. raRac ganyenebul
Temaze atexen ambavs, mere
„nacmoZraobas” miscemen pasebs.
isini aqedan atexen wivil-kivils.
sabolood, ucxoeli elCebis
TandaswrebiT yvelani daTmobaze
mivdivarT. ratom midixar?
ratom tex am ambavs?
soflebSi bevrgan naxavT Zvel
qoxebs, romlebsac oTxive mxares
barjgebi aqvs Seyenebuli, rom
ar Camoingres. saqarTveloc
CamosaSlelad gamzadebul qoxs
hgavs, romelsac erTi mxridan
„nacmoZraoba” awveba, meore mxares
_ „qarTuli ocneba”. es ma-
Sin, rodesac qarTvel xalxs imis
Sansi aqvs, rom am Zveli qoxis
adgilze kargi saxli aaSenos.
am tragikomikurma situaciebma
erTi Zveli anekdoti gamaxsena:
iaponeli karatistia kaxeT-
Si Camosuli da yvela galaxa.
mixom gamoyo saxlidan Tavi da
ikiTxa, _ wavida is karatistio?
_ kio, _ uTxres. _ awi naxavT, ras
gizamTo! _ daimuqra mixo. asea
„qarTuli ocnebac” _ ucxoelebs
fexqveS egeba, Tavis mosaxleobas
ki etipeba. TiTqos maT moiyvanes
es qveyana pirvelyofili Temuri
wyobilebidan _ dRemde.
_ dRes xSirad saubroben
imaze, rom saWiroa erovnuli
moZraobis Tavidan dawyeba.
opoziciis nawili mzadaa, daiw-
yos axali erovnuli moZraoba.
amas rogor uyurebT?
_ yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT,
axali erovnuli moZraobis
dawyebis msurvelebi Tavidanve
absurdSi arian gaxveulebi. rodesac
saxelmwifo damoukidebelia,
iq erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebeli
moZraoba mTavrdeba. erovnuli
moZraobis mTavari mizani
iyo, saqarTvelos damoukidebloba.
dRes saqarTvelo suverenuli
saxelmwifoa. damoukidebel
saqarTveloSi eseni ra erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebel
22 N3 (335) 8.03-21.03.2021 w.