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`dRevandeli situacia 2003 wlis
kote kemulariasTan, romelmac
giorgi abaSiZe
arcTu didi xnis winaT „gamarjvebuli
saqarTvelo” datova, „qronika+~-ma
saubari, rasakvirvelia, giorgi SaqaraSvilis mkv-
lelobiT daiwyo da Semdeg respondents irakli oqruaSvilis
partiidan wamosvlis mizezebzec CaekiTxa. ise, unda aRiniS-
nos, rom batoni kemularia, saqarTvelos yvela moqalaqis
msgavsad, 19 wlis fexburTelis tragediiT uzomod aRSfoTe-
bulia da mkveTr gancxadebebsac akeTebs. metic: pirad wyaroebze
dayrdnobiT Cveni respondenti ramdenime saintereso in-
formaciasac asajaroebs da acxadebs, rom qveyanaSi dRes
arsebuli politikuri viTareba Zalian hgavs 2003 wlis noem-
bris, anu im situacias, roca maSindel prezidents garemocva
arwmunebda, rom yvelaferi kargad iyo, Tumca, sabolood, Se-
vardnaZe iZulebuli gaxda, Sin wasuliyo.
„qronika+~ gTavazobT inter-
vius kote kemulariasTan:
_ batono kote, Tqveni azriT,
Sesabamisi uwyebebi da, saerTod,
xelisufleba
„SaqaraSvilis
saqmes” ratom ar xsnis?
_ xelisufleba yovelTvis ra-
Racaze igeba. ai, magaliTad, an avtoritetis
Zalaze igeba, roca
ganmsazRvreli principebi ekonomikaa,
anu xalxis keTildReoba.
aseve arsebobs qurdebisa da kriminaluri
avtoritetebis meSveobiT
marTva, romelsac Cveni mosaxleoba
SimSilze metad ar egueba. es
ivaniSvilma moskovSi iswavla, anu
aseT adamianebTan urTierToba
yovelTvis hqonda, rac damaluli
aravisTvisaa. saerTod, rusuli
oligarqia amaze dgas _ kriminaluri
avtoritetebi erTmaneTs
gavlenis sferoebisTvis xocaven.
amisTvis maT fuli sWirdebaT da
oligarqebs ekvrebian. aqedan gamomdinare,
ruseTSi yvela oligarqs
Tavisi kriminaluri wre hyavs.
ivaniSvilma yvelaferi es aq gamoiyena
da saTaveSi vxedavT kalaZes,
aseve parlamentSia kobiaSvili.
garda amisa, vxedavT moWidaveebsa
da sxva sportsmenebsac. maT qveviT
sxvebi dganan da a. S.
_ ukacravad, yvelafer amas
„SaqaraSvilis saqmesTan” ra kav-
Siri aqvs?
_ roca es sqema odnav mainc
gaibzareba, mmarTveloba ingreva!
sawyali SaqaraSvili _ es angeloziviT
bavSvi da, marTlac, varskvlavTbiWuna,
msxverpli gaxda. amas
samarTalSi eqscesi hqvia, anu arsebobs
versia, rom yvelaferi gogos
gamo daiwyo. es, sxvaTa Soris,
am asakSi Cveulebrivi ambavia... mokled,
es klani Tu jgufi viRacam
imisTvis gamoiyena, rom am patara
biWisTvis, romelic, marTlac,
arafer SuaSi iyo, angariSi gaesworebina.
jandabamde gzac hgonia
kalaZesa da sxvebis erTmaneTTan
garCevebs _ iq milionebis gayofazea
saubari da es Cven ar Segvexeba,
magram Tu davakvirdebiT, es
Zalebi nebismieri Cvenganis Svilebsa
da SviliSvilebs emuqrebian,
anu iqidan gamomdinare, rom dausjelebi
arian, xval movlen da mogvklaven!
xom naxeT, rom igive naZaladevSi
magaT gareSe araferi xdeboda
_ manqanebis „vazvrati”, Cxubi
da policias maTi SiSiT Caic
ver daulevia. asea yvela raionSi
da yvelafer amas rodemde unda
vuyuroT?!
_ e. i., zonderjgufebs xelisufleba
mxolod politikuri opo-
nentebis winaaRmdeg ki ar iyenebs,
am kunTmagari „sastavebis” msxver-
pli SesaZloa, is adamianic gaxdes,
romelic politikaSi saerTod ar
ereva, ara?
_ formula, daaxloebiT, ase-
Tia: es zonderjgufebi eubnebian,
_ Zmao, Sen arCevnebSi xom dagexmare.
hoda, manqanebis „vazvrati”
iqneba Tu sxva rame, fuli unda
gavakeTo, magram Sen miSveb da
arafers meubnebio. albaT, gaxsovT:
jabas dros iyo _ sami dRiT
raionebSi manqanebis mosaparavad
uSvebda xolme. sxvaTa Soris, roca
Cingiz yaeni romelime qalaqs
aiRebda, jars sami dRe aZarcvinebda
xolme. erTi sityviT, Cveulebrivi
ambavia _ roca kriminalur
zonderjgufs politikuri
miznebisTvis iyeneb, mere „saZovarze”
unda miuSva. am SemTxveva-
Sic ase moxda, anu SaqaraSvili
raRac quCuri garCevis msxverpli
gaxda, romelSic damsjeli jgufi
monawileobda. am jgufma icoda,
rom aravin dasjida! diax, isini
dausjelebi arian! jer mxolod
ori ambis Sesaxeb gavigeT, rom
SaqaraSvilis garda, adre naZaladevSi
viRacebs Tavi gautexes
da Tirkmeli dauglijes, magram
kidev bevr rames gavigebT. bolos
da bolos, ager, deputatis Svili
daiWires, rac Jurnalistebis
gamoZiebas mohyva! saerTod, yoCaR,
Tqven, Jurnalistebs _ am sazogadoebis
Rirseuli warmomadgenlebi
namdvilad xarT! Jurnalisturma
saqmianobam ganapiroba, rom
SaqaraSvilis garda meore saqmec
gaixsna, mesamec gaixsneba da Tu
yvelani ase erTad davdgebiT, ma-
Sin am Wirs moviSorebT, Torem
sxvanairad mxolod SigniT ki ara,
saerTaSoriso asparezzec Zalian
didi safrTxe gvemuqreba!
_ zogs es paraleli ar moswons,
magram sazogadoebis umete-
soba Tanxmdeba, rom, Tavis droze,
„girgvlianis saqmiT” „nacionalebis”
dasasrulis dasawyisi dai-
wyo. „ocnebas” „SaqaraSvilis
saqme” CamoSlis?
_ am utvinoebis xelSi ukve mexuTe
„girgvliani” gvyavs! sxvaTa
Soris, Zalian sando wyaro meubneba.
_ ras geubnebaT?
_ biZinas ukve uTqvams, _ jandabamde
gza gqoniaTo! is berazec
gabrazebuli yofila.
_ ratom?
_ is Tavisi gamoucdelobiT
gavlenis qveS iyo. „naxalovkelebi”,
Turme, gaiZaxian, magari „loxi”
gvyavs daWerilio. Turme, beras
amaTTvis manqanebi aqvs nayidi da
TveSi 25 aTassac uricxavda. es
gairkveva _ yvelas „qarTus” sakredito
baraTi udevs jibeSio, magram
Tu es marTlac asea da ivaniSvili
ambobs, jandabamde gza hqoniaTo,
e. i. Zalian gabrazebulia.
kote kemularia:
`sando wyaro
meubneba, biZinas
uTqvams, jandabamde
gza gqoniaTo!~
male vnaxavT, „ocneba” ra saxes
miiRebs.
_ mainc, ra saxes miiRebs?
_ Tu politikuri mmarTveloba
moiSala, maSin SeiZleba, mTlianad
qurdebs Caabaron. amas kobaxiZe
namdvilad izams, radgan is kalaZis
Wkuaze dadis. kalaZe ki maSinac qurdebis
Wkuaze dadioda, roca fexburTs
TamaSobda da axlac asea.
_ e. i., Zalian cud realobaSi
varT?
_ diax, Zalian. simarTle giTxraT,
aseTi mkveTri TiTqmis arasodes
vyofilvar, magram am saqmem
bevri rame gamoamzeura, anu kidev
ar megona, rom ase zevidan qveviT
iyo dalagebuli da policiac SeSinebuli
iyo. sxvaTa Soris, „mxedrionis”
dros policia Zalian SeSinebuli
gaxldaT, magram maSin struqturaSi
vmuSaobdi da aseT ubadruk
dReSi im drosac ar yofila.
_ Tu oqtomberSi xelisufleba
ar Seicvala, krizisi gaR-
rmavdeba?
_ visac es qveyana aseTi raRacebisTvis
Zalian ar gvemeteba, yvelaferi
unda gavakeToT, rom normaluri
arCevnebi Catardes! arCevnebSi
eseni udavod damarcxdebian
da amas yvela xedavs.
_ aseTi darwmunebuli ratom
xarT?
_ aq saubari politikaze aRaraa.
zogi ambobs, fuls miscemeno, magram
fuls vin jandabas miscemen?
_ mokluli axalgazrdebis mSoblebsa
da naTesavebs? am qveyanaSi
iseTi aravin darCa, vinc daCagruli
ar iyos! xom naxeT, policieli
dazaralebuli biWis dedas urekavs,
modi, dawere, rom Sens Svils
ki ar scemes, aramed daeca da sxeulis
dazianeba ise miiRoo.
_ „tv pirvelis” Jurnalistur
gamoZiebaze saubrobT, saidanac
naTeli gaxda, rom ramdenime wlis
win SaqaraSvilis saqmis figuran-
tebma sxva axalgazrdasac scemes,
romelic sikvdils SemTxveviT
gadaurCa?
_ diax. iciT, yvelafer amas ra
hqvia?
_ ra?
_ morCa, damTavra, CamovediT!
_ ukacravad, „sad CamovediT”?
_ anu amiT yvelaferi naTqvami
da damTavrebuli!
_ SeiZleba, asea, magram, batono
kote, ai, swored maSin, roca qvey-
anaSi aseTi qaosia, „gamarjvebul
saqarTvelos” tovebT. sxvaTa
Soris, aRniSnuli partiidan rom
wamoxvediT, irakli oqruaSvili
cixidan axali gamosuli iyo.
hoda, ra moxda?
`naxalovkelebi~, Turme, gaiZaxian, magari `loxi~
gvyavs daWerilio. Turme, beras amaTTvis
manqanebi aqvs nayidi da TveSi 25 aTassac
uricxavda. es gairkveva - yvelas `qarTus~
sakredito baraTi udevs jibeSio, magram Tu es
marTlac asea da ivaniSvili ambobs, jandabamde
gza hqoniaTo, e. i. Zalian gabrazebulia. male
vnaxavT, `ocneba~ ra saxes miiRebs~
_ Cvens qveyanaSi iseTi ambebi
xdeba, rom es Tema, mgoni, gadamwyveti
araa, magram vinaidan interesi
arsebobs, ki batono, visaubroT.
„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelo”,
didi xnis konsultaciebis Semdeg,
bevrma adamianma SevqmeniT da ma-
Sin davTqviT, rom yvelani Tanabarni
viqnebodiT.
_ anu?
_ prezentaciaze TiTqmis 50-mde
lideri gamovCndiT.
_ sxvaTa Soris, Tavdapirvelad
„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelo” par-
tia ki ara, moZraoba iyo.
_ diax da partia arc unda yofiliyo,
anu Tavidanve gamovacxadeT,
rom es liderTa platforma
iqneboda, romelic gansxvavebuli
Sexedulebebis admianebs gaaer-
Tianebda. sxvaTa Soris, yvela am
adamians sxvadasxva gza hqonda gavlili.
amasTan, zogierTi maTgani
erT dros erTmaneTTan dapirispirebulic
iyo, magram es gaxldaT
modeli, Tu rogor SeiZleba,
rom dapirispirebulma adamianebma,
romlebic samSoblos emsaxurebian,
erTiani platforma Seqmnan.
_ am platformis Seqmnis miza-
ni ra iyo?
_ mizani is iyo, rom masSi rac
SeiZleba meti adamiani gagveer-
Tianebina. yvelaferi es ki ra saxes
miiRebda, momavlis saqme iyo,
magram xazs vusvam, rom es partia
ar unda yofiliyo. Tavad irakli
oqruaSvilic winaaRmdegi gaxldaT,
rom gaerTianebas xelmZRvaneli
hyoloda.
_ am platformis Seqmnis idea
visgan wamovida?
_ oqruaSvili CemTan araerTxel
movida da yvelaferi ase daviwyeT.
mokled, gadawyda, rom am
platformas Tavmjdomare ar eyoleboda,
Tumca spikeri me viqnebodi.
erTi sityviT, gvindoda, am
gaerTianebiT gveCvenebina, rom roca
saqme qveyanas exeba, erTad dgoma
SegviZlia! samwuxarod, xelisuflebam
irakli oqruaSvili yovelgvari
safuZvlis gareSe daiWira.
_ ise, batono kote, roca am
platformas qmnidiT, minimum,
uaxloesi warsulisTvis Tvali
unda gadagevloT, anu imis Tqma
minda, rom oqruaSvilis opozici-
ur flangze gamoCena yovelTvis
patimrobiT mTavrdeboda da ra-
tom ar uSvebdiT, rom axlac ase
moxdeboda?
_ verafers gamovricxavT, magram
adamians, praqtikulad,
araferi amZimebda da amitom, ar
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