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saqarTvelos
salome zurabiSvilma saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobas ganucxada,
rom misi damsmeli xelisufleba mzadaa, daarRvios kanoni
okupaciis Sesaxeb da saqarTveloSi ruseTis sagareo saqme-
Ta ministrs umaspinZlos. am gancxadebam sazogadoebaze
mwvaved imoqmeda. sergei lavrovi qarTvelebis dauZinebeli
mteria da misi TanaavtorobiT kremlma yvelaferi gaakeTa,
rom afxazeTi da cxinvalis regioni saqarTvelosTvis waerT-
mia. erovnuli moZraobis erT-erTi lideri Tamar CxeiZe miiCnevs,
rom dauSvebelia saqarTveloSi sergei lavrovis Camos-
vla. misi TqmiT, es viziti imaze mwvave reaqcias gamoiwvevs,
rac „gavrilovis Rames” moxda. CxeiZis gancxadebiT, am avad-
saxsenebeli Ramis Semdeg saqarTveloSi bevri rame Seicvala
da sazogadoeba rusul orbitaze dabrunebas aRar dauSvebs.
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`qarTulma
Tamar CxeiZe:
ratom arian „ocnebis” wevrebi
agresiulebi? ra mizans emsax-
ureba saqarTveloSi lavrovis
viziti? rodis Semoagdo moskovma
ivaniSvili qarTul politika-
Si? ratom weren amerikelebi
mwvave werilebs? _ am Temebze
Tamar CxeiZe „qronika+~-s es-
aubreba:
_ salome zurabiSvilma ga-
nacxada, rom saqarTvelo mzadaa,
gverdi auaros mis mierve miRe-
bul kanons okupaciis Sesaxeb da
sergei lavrovs TbilisSi umaspinZlos.
ras niSnavs zurabiSvi-
lis es gancxadeba?
_ saqarTvelos xelisufleba
upasuxismgeblo gancxadebebs
xSirad akeTebs. am mxriv salome
zurabiSvili aSkarad gamor-
Ceulia. siStereebis Tqma misi
damaxasiaTebeli Tvisebaa. lavrovTan
dakavSirebiT gakeTebuli
gancxadeba yovelgvar zRvars
scildeba. rogor SeiZleba, mkve-
Trad gamoxatuli antiqarTuli
ganwyobis ministrze, saqarTvelos
regionebis _ afxazeTisa da
cxinvalis regionis _ okupaciis
Tanaavtorze Tqva, rom mas TbilisSi
vumaspinZlebT da amis gamo
mzad varT, okupaciis Sesaxeb kanons
gverdi avuaroT?! garda imisa,
rom sergei lavrovis aq SemoSvebiT
dairRveva kanoni okupaciis
Sesaxeb, es politikuradac yovelnairad
gaumarTlebeli iqneba.
sergei lavrovis saqarTvelos
teritoriaze Semosvla niSnavs,
rom ruseTma Tavis mizans miaRwia
da warmatebiT daasrula is
operacia, rasac am wlebis man-
Zilze axorcielebda Cvens qveyanasTan
mimarTebiT.
_ ra operacias gulisxmobT?
_ kremli saqarTvelos dRevandel
xelisuflebasTan erTad
cdilobs, rom Cveni mosaxleoba
okupacias Seaguos. amas unda Seaguos
saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobac.
Cven Tu okupaciaze xmas
ar amoviRebT, cxadia, arc dasavleTi
gaaprotestebs amas. Cven ar
gvaqvs imis ufleba, rom okupaciis
Tanaavtori aq SemovuSvaT. okupanti
qveynis sagareo saqmeTa
ministris saqarTveloSi miReba
danaSaulia!
_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom salome
zurabiSvils siStereebis Tqma
axasiaTebso, magram lavrovTan
dakavSirebiT rac Tqva, es, al-
baT, wamocdena ar yofila da
yvelaferi biZina ivaniSvilTan
SeaTanxma. Tqven ras ityviT?
_ salome zurabiSvils siStereebisa
da ucnaurobebis Tqma
axasiaTebs, magram es marTla ar
iyo wamocdena. unda iTqvas, rom
arc mis mier naTqvami sxva siStereebia
wamocdena. misi yvela gancxadeba,
maT Soris, ucnauri gancxadebebic,
saerTo xazSi jdeba.
im xazSi, romelsac biZina ivaniSvili
atarebs. es antierovnuli
da prorusuli xazi gaxlavT.
_ qarTvelebisgan gansxvave-
biT, rusi politikosebi salome
zurabiSvilis gancxadebas pozi-
tiurad Sexvdnen.
_ ra Tqma unda, miesalmebodnen.
maT miiRes signali, rom saqarTvelo
okupacias egueba. gavrilovi
Zalian kmayofili iyo,
romelic Riad miesalma zurabiSvilis
gancxadebas da Tqva, rom,
bolos da bolos, saqarTvelom
daiwyo damoukidebeli politikis
warmoebao. moskovSi gakeTebuli
gancxadebebi ar gamkvirvebia,
saqarTvelos prezidentma,
faqtobrivad, mxari dauWira imas,
risTvisac rusebi didi xania,
ibrZvian. kremli gansakuTrebuli
mondomebiT muSaobs imaze, rom
qarTuli miwebis mitaceba Cveulebriv,
yoveldRiur ambad aqcios.
rusi politikosebi xSirad
amboben, rom saqarTvelo axal
realobas unda Seeguos. es maTi
nomer pirveli amocanaa saqarTvelosTan
mimarTebiT.
_ rusebi Cveni prezidentis
gancxadebiT ki iyvnen kmayofil-
ebi, magram zogierT bolomde ar
dakmayofilda. magaliTad, leonid
kalaSnikovma qarTvelebi-
sgan bodiSis moxda moiTxova.
amaze ras ityviT?
_ esec bunebrivi gamovlinebaa.
rodesac kremli xedavs, rom
saqarTvelo daTmobaze midis, is
ufro mets iTxovs Cvengan. rac
mets daTmob, ruseTi miT mets
iTxovs, es kremlis Tvisebaa. prorusuli
orientaciis politikosebi
xSirad gveubnebian, rom
ruseTi ar unda gavaRizianoT.
maTi mtkicebiT, moskovis gaRizianeba
saSiSia, radganac is agresiiT
mogvibrundeba. sinamdvileSi
ki sruliad sapirispiro xdeba
xolme. istoriam gviCvena, rom
rac mets dauTmob ruseTs, is
ufro agresiuli xdeba. es yvela
agresorisTvis damaxasiaTebeli
Tvisebaa. garwmunebT, qarTuli
politika ruseTis mimarT xisti
da Tanmimdevruli rom iyos,
kremli ufro male Seegueba, rom
mas saqarTvelos teritoriebis
deokupacia mouwevs.
_ rus politikosebs Cveni misamarTiT
araerTi binZuri gancx-
adeba gaukeTebiaT, magram
„qarTul ocnebas” es gancxade-
bebi ar SeumCnevia, aRSfoTebaze
aRarafers vambob. samagierod,
axla gadairivnen da mzad arian,
kongresi daarbion iqidan mosu-
li kritikuli werilebis gamo.
_ Zalian gabrazebulebi arian,
amboben, partniorebs Soris ase-
Ti toniT laparaki miuRebeliao.
arada, amerikeli kongresmenebi
zustad imitom gvweren aseT wer-
`ivaniSvili
rusebs rezervSi,
jer kidev,
SevardnaZis
dros hyavdaT~
ilebs, rom Cvens partniorebad
miiCneven Tavs. maTi mizania, mTel
msoflioSi da, maT Soris, saqar-
TveloSic, procesebi demokratiulad
mimdinareobdes. mivesalmebi,
rom amerikas guli Sestkiva
qarTul demokratiaze. maT kritikuli
werilebis gamo ki ar
unda vusayveduroT, aramed madloba
unda gadavuxadoT.
aSkaraa, rom saqarTvelos xelisuflebam
dasavlur kurss
gadauxvia. misi SeCereba qarTuli
sazogadoebis protestis gareSe
SeuZlebelia, magram am brZolaSi
Zalian mniSvnelovania dasavle-
Tis mxardaWera. dasavleTsa da,
pirvel rigSi, amerikas, angariSgasawevi
berketebi aqvs, rom saqarTvelos
xelisuflebaze zewola
ganaxorcielos.
_ rodesac „ocnebis” lidere-
bi amerikelebs tons uwuneben,
imas ratom iviwyeben, ramdeni
miliardi daxarja am qveyanam
saqarTvelos ganviTarebisTvis?
qarTuli jari, faqtobrivad,
maTi daxmarebiT Seiqmna. Tundac
es ar aris sakmarisi mizezi saimisod,
rom amerikelebi dainter-
esdnen imiT, rac dRes saqarTve-
loSi xdeba?
_ ra Tqma unda. amerikas amxela
daxmareba rom ar hqondes
CvenTvis gaweuli, mainc veravin
aukrZalavda mas sakuTari azris
gamoxatvas. sakuTari poziciis
dafiqsirebis ufleba yvelas aqvs.
amerikam miliardebi Cado imisTvis,
rom saqarTvelo demokratiuli
da damoukidebeli qveyana
yofiliyo. aqedan gamomdinare,
`salome zurabiSvils siStereebisa da
ucnaurobebis Tqma axasiaTebs, magram es
marTla ar iyo wamocdena. unda iTqvas, rom
arc mis mier naTqvami sxva siStereebia
wamocdena. misi yvela gancxadeba, maT Soris,
ucnauri gancxadebebic, saerTo xazSi jdeba. im
xazSi, romelsac biZina ivaniSvili atarebs. es
antierovnuli da prorusuli xazi gaxlavT~
maTTvis kategoriulad
miuRebelia, rom saqarTvelo
rusul wiaRs daubrundes,
rogorc orientaciiT, aseve _
ganviTarebis formiT.
_ amerikelebi aRniSnaven, rom
saqarTveloze putinis gavlenebi
gaZlierda. Cveni xelisufle-
bac xSirad mimarTavs rusul
meTodebs. Tqveni azriT, vems-
gavsebiT ruseTs?
_ samwuxarod, ruseTisken gvaqvs
gezi aRebuli. es gezi maSinve
aviReT, rodesac xelisuflebis
saTaveSi biZina ivaniSvili movida.
me xSirad momismenia mosazrebebi,
rom „ocnebis” lideri Tavidan
prodasavluri iyo da Semdeg
iZulebuli gaxda, ruseTisken
aeRo gezi. ivaniSvili prodasavluri
arasdros yofila. is adamianebi,
romlebic amas amboben, amiT
imis gamarTlebas cdiloben, rom
misgan fuls iRebdnen.
biZina ivaniSvili yovelTvis
ruseTis davalebebs asrulebda.
qarTul politikaSic moskovis
miTiTebiT Semovida. is rusebs
rezervSi, jer kidev, eduard
SvardnaZis dros hyavdaT. alagebdnen
situacias, esec urigebda
sazogadoebis nawils fuls da
ase cdilobda, masze legendebi
gavrcelebuliyo, rom is iyo
qvelmoqmedi. 2011 wels man Riad
Tqva, politikaSi movdivaro. da
es moskovidan rom ar yofiliyo
nebadarTuli, mas ruseTidan
miliardebs aravin gamoatanda.
rogor SeiZleba, ivaniSvilze
vTqvaT, rom is odesme prodasavluri
orientaciis iyo?! sayovelTaod
cnobilia, rom is „gazpromis”
aqcioneria. xelisuflebaSi
mosvlamde man araerTi
mkveTrad prorusuli gancxadeba
gaakeTa. marto am gancxadebebiT
SeiZleboda imis gansazRvra, Tu
ra orientaciis iyo is. gansakuTrebiT
aRniSvnis Rirsia agvistos
omTan dakavSirebiT gakeTebuli
misi gancxadeba. is amtkicebda,
rom 2008 wels omi ruseTs ar
dauwyia. misi TqmiT, rusebis nasrolma
Wurvma raRac kedeli daangria
da saqarTvelom amaze daiwyo
omio. pirdapir gveubneboda,
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