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`ocnebam~ gayalbebebsa da darbevebSi
uflebadamcveli laSa Cxar-
Sorena marsagiSvili
tiSvili mravali aqciis monaw-
599 92 16 22
ilea. mis zurgze gadaira TiTqmis
yvela darbevam rogorc „nacionalebis”
dros, aseve „ocnebis” mmarTvelobis xanaSi. am-
bobs, rom ivaniSvilma saakaSvils darbevebSic ajoba da
arCevnebis gayalbebaSic. CxartiSvili fiqrobs, rom xelisu-
fleba Zalas xalxis dasaTrgunad iyenebs. 8-9 noembris Rame
uflebadamcvels afiqrebinebs, rom qarTuli sazogadoeba ar
SeSindeba da is brZolas gamarjvebamde gaagrZelebs. CxartiS-
vilis azriT, „qarTuli ocneba” gansakuTrebulad erCis
Tavisufali mediis warmomadgenlebs.
ratom sdevnis ivaniSvili
Tavisufal medias? ratom ver
daaSineben xalxs? ras daems-
gavsnen koronasTan mebrZoli
eqimebi, romlebic, ratomRac,
muSketerebad monaTles? ra
rols asrulebs irakli kobaxiZe?
_ amis Sesaxeb leiboristu-
li partiis erT-erTi lideri,
laSa CxartiSvili, „qronika+”-
s esaubreba:
_ laSa, bevrisTvis moulodneli
aRoCnda, rom gamyalbebeli
xelisufleba opoziciis aq-
cias daarbevda. Tqven elodiT
darbevas?
_ am xelisuflebisgan yvelaferia
mosalodneli. cru
eqvTimem ilia WavWavaZis dabadebis
dReze daarbevina qarTveli
xalxi, romelic samarTlianobis
moTxovniT gamovida quCaSi.
_ ilia vaxseneT da biZina
ivaniSvils „ocnebis” wevrebi
ilia WavWavaZesac adareben.
_ adareben. maT mliqvnelobas
sazRvari aRar aqvs. usazRvroa
ivaniSvilis sisuleleebic. es
adamiani yvelaferze midis, oRond
xelisuflebaSi darCes. man
saakaSvils, SevardnaZesa da aslan
abaSiZesac ki gadaaWarba.
_ raSi gadaaWarba?
_ Tundac darbevebSi, Tundac
arCevnebis gayalbebaSi. bolo
arCevnebi ise gaayalba, rom cesko
Sedegebs veRar acxadebda.
ceskos warmomadgenlebi Semajamebel
oqmebs veRar werdnen.
31 oqtombers cru eqvTimem biZinfaSebi
Seusia saarCevno ubnebs
da procesi totalurad gayalbda.
SevardnaZis drosac iyo
gayalbeba da saakaSvilic ar
erideboda am meTods, magram
erTic da meorec TbilisSi gayalbebas
eridebodnen. dedaqalaqSi
mainc TvalSi sacemia ukanonoba.
regionebSi cdilobdnen
gayalbebas. cru eqvTime arc
dedaqalaqis gayalbebas moerida.
Tavis winamorbedebisgan
crueqvTime mediis devniTac
gamoirCeva. darbevebis dros
arc saakaSvili indobda medias,
magram ivaniSvili gansakuTrebulad
ebrZvis Jurnalistebs.
mas rom media sZuls, es 8-9
noembersac gamoCnda. mizanmimarTulad
sdevnidnen Jurnalistebs.
ceskosTan mimdinare aqciis
dros Jurnalistebi wiTel mikroavtobusze
avidnen da iqidan
iRebdnen kadrebs. maT garda
mikroavtobusis saxuravze aravin
idga. ivaniSvilis jalaTebma
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599 92 16 22 laSa CxartiSvili:
maT pirdapir, sruli wneviT
miuSves wylis Wavli. Jurnalistebi
gadmovardnen mikroavtobusis
saxuravidan. erT-erTi
iyo „formulas” Jurnalisti ana
baraTaSvili, romelic sikvdils
saswauliT gadaurCa. mikoavtobusi
sami metris simaRlis mainc
aris da warmoidgineT, ra mouvidoda
iqidan gadmovardnil
adamians, TaviT rom dacemuliyo.
es gogona, sabednierod, aqciis
erT-erTma monawilem daiWira.
is adamiani rom ara, ar vici,
ana baraTaSvils ra daemarTeboda.
is da sxva Jurnalistebi xelisuflebam,
faqtobrivad, sasikvdilod
gawira. „tv pirvelis”
operators Tvali dauzianes.
_ Tqveni azriT, ase gamor-
Ceulad ratom sdevnis ivaniS-
vili Jurnalistebs?
_ es adamiani ver itans gansxvavebul
azrs. gansxvavebuli
azris mosmena mxolod mediiT
SeiZleba. ai, amitom erCis rusi
oligarqi Tavisufal medias. mas
surs, CaaxSos Tavisufali sityva
da qveyana diqtaturis Waob-
Si CaZiros. media rom ar aSuqebdes
aqciebs, warmomidgenia, ra
ubedureba datrialdeboda iq.
jer kamerebis win ar eridebian
Zaladobas da kamerebis miRma
xom warmogidgeniaT, ras Caidenen.
aqedan gamomdinare gasagebia
ivaniSvilis pozicia. mas media
rom sZuls, es „gavrilovis
Ramesac” gamoCnda. im Rames 40-
mde Jurnalisti daSavda. Jurnalistebma
20 ivnisis darbevisas
seriozuli dazianebebi miiRes,
magram maTTvis dazaralebulis
statusic ki ar miuniWebiaT.
_ statusis arminiWeba raRa
ubedureba iyo?
_ es ivaniSvilisTvis iyo ubedureba.
aqciaze daSavebuli JurnalistebisTvis
dazaralebulis
statusis miniWeba imis aRiarebas
niSnavda, rom aq Tavisufali
media idevneba. Tavisufal
medias sityvieradac devnian.
TvalTxaria gaxaria da biZina
sul Jurnalistebs lanZRaven.
_ am mxriv gamonaklisi arc
irakli kobaxiZea, isic kargad
uberavs.
_ kobaxiZeze ra vTqva, is namdvili
movlenaa qarTul politikaSi.
is aris ivaniSvilis boroti
paJi, romelic yvelafers
kadrulobs. es adamiani tragikomikur
figurad Camoyalibda.
Cven viciT, rom specsamsaxurebi
politikur xelisuflebas
awvdian xolme informacias mosalodnel
aerulobaze. kobaxiZem
ki ijeimsbonda da aqeT miawoda
suss informacia. amieridan
mas SegviZlia, agent 0041
vuwodoT. is dRes gvevlineba,
rogorc susis informatori.
_ Tqven gjeraT, rom irakli
kobaxiZem marTla raime re-
aluri informacia miawoda
suss? ver davijereb, rom aq
raRac gadatrialeba mzadde-
boda da suss es kobaxiZisgan
gaego. saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis
samsaxurze bevrad uro ma-
Rali warmodgena maqvs.
_ aranairi gadatrialeba ar
igegmeba da sainteresoa, ra informacia
unda mietana am borot
paJs susSi. es aris ivaniSvilis
mofiqrebuli scenari. Zalian
sasaciloa, roca gavrilovis
Camomyvani sxvas saxelmwifo gadatrialebis
mowyobas abralebs.
„gavrilovis Ramis” Semdeg
`cercvaZe da
gamyreliZe
xelisuflebis
`gampraveblebad~
gadaiqcnen~
is xmis amoRebas ver unda bedavdes.
_ kobaxiZe ase rom gaTavxed-
da, es opoziciis brali xom ar
aris? „gavrilovis Rames” da
mis Semdegac mis gadadgomas da
parlamentidan wasvlas iTxovdiT,
magram gadadgomis Sem-
deg gaCerdiT. es Secdoma ar
iyo?
_ yvelafris miuxedavad, is
protesti iyo Sedegiani. opoziciam
xelisufleba aiZula, daTmobaze
wasuliyo. Cveni aqtiuroba
rom ara, arCevnebi kvlav
Zveli sistemiT Catardeboda da
ara TiTqmis srulad proporciuli
sistemiT.
_ am sistemiT Tu Catarda,
ver gaayalba?
_ gaayalba, magram Zalian
gauWirda. xom xedavT, ra totalur
gayalbebaze wavidnen, sasurveli
Sedegi rom moeRoT.
`Cven viciT, rom specsamsaxurebi politikur
xelisuflebas awvdian xolme informacias
mosalodnel aerulobaze. kobaxiZem ki
ijeimsbonda da aqeT miawoda suss informacia.
amieridan mas SegviZlia, agent 0041 vuwodoT.
is dRes gvevlineba, rogorc susis
informatori~
Zveli sistemiT rom Catarebuliyo
arCevnebi, aseTi gayalbeba
saWiro ar iqneboda. me opoziciis
did gamarjvebad mimaCnia,
rom saarCevno sistemaSi
cvlilebebi Sevida. am brZolis
dros opozicia erTad dadga.
miuxedavad imisa, rom Cven erTmaneTs
ver vitanT, erT magidasTan
visxediT. erTad videqiT
aqciebze da dRemde erTad vibrZviT
saqarTvelos ukeTesi
momavlisTvis.
_ amis miuxedavad, ver Se-
ZeliT kobaxiZis gaZeveba par-
lamentidan.
_ es ver movaxerxeT, imitom
rom amaze bevri aRar vibrZoleT.
is darCa parlamentSi da
amiT biZina ivaniSvils ufro
azianebs, vidre opozicias.
_ biZina ivaniSvils ranair-
ad azianebs?
_ yvelam icis, rom irakli
kobaxiZe ivaniSvilis „liubim-
Cikia”.
_ marTla biZinas „liubim-
Cikia”?
_ es aSkarad Cans. kargi monaa
da es oligarqs Zalian moswons.
imdens ver xvdeba, rom am boroti
paJis gancxadebebi sul ufro
aRizianebs xalxs. xalxi fiqrobs,
rom is ivaniSvilis mosazrebebs
axmovanebs.
_ fiqrobT, rom is ivaniSvi-
lis mosazrebebs ar iziarebs
da Tavisi iniciativiT ambobs
imas, rasac ambobs?
_ ivaniSvilis azrebsac axmovanebs,
magram xSir SemTxvevaSi
cdilobs, saSineleba Tqvas opoziciaze
da hgonia, amiT ivaniSvils
erTgulebas daumtkicebs.
sinamdvileSi ki mas azianebs.
aseT gamaRizianebel figurebs
„nacionalebi” saguldagulod
malavdnen.
_ bokeria da maia nadiraZe
gadamala erTxel saakaSvilma.
_ gadamala imitom, rom isini
xalxs aRizianebdnen. ivaniSvili
kargad xedavs, rom kobaxiZe sazogadoebaSi
saSinel agresias
iwvevs, magram mis gadamalvaze
arc ki fiqrobs. arCevnebis periodSi
sul wina planze hyavs
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