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vdgavarT, roca xelisuflebis
legitimuroba eWvqveS dgas. opo-
zicia parlamentSi Sesvlaze uars acxadebs da quCis protests
mimarTavs. politikuri krizisis garda qveyanaSi ekonomikuri
da epidemiologiuri krizisia. procesebi yvela mimarTulebiT
CixSia. am viTarebaSi ki kidev erTxel vrwmundebiT, rom: „didi
Zma gvismens”, „nacionaluri moZraobis” deputat salome sa-
madaSvils piradi Canawerebi gauvrceles, samTavrobo media
ki am Canawerebs avrcelebs da „logikuri” daskvnebis gakeTe-
bas cdilobs. rogorc politologi gia xuxaSvili „qronika+~-
sTan acxadebs: „roca amas aqveyneb, Sen media aRar xar, Sen
xar propagandistuli instrumenti, romelic nebismier raRa-
caze xar xelismomweri, rom raRac Sedegi aCveno Sens pa-
trons”, _ orjer ori oTxia da es sityvebi zustad asaxavs am
mocemulobas. garda amisa, „qarTuli ocneba” ise gaixrwna,
aRar malavs, rom gvismenen, gviTvalTvaleben da sabolood
yvelaferze wamsvlelebi arian.
ras emsaxureba am tipis Canawerebis
gavrceleba? ramdenad
sworad moqmedebs opozi-
cia da ra samoqmedo gegmas
sTavazobs igi opoziciur spe-
qtrs? _ politologi gia xux-
aSvili am da sxva aqtualuri
Temebis Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s
esaubra:
_ batono gia, interviu daviwyoT
31 oqtombris Sefase-
biT, opoziciisgan gvesmis, rom
es iyo ivaniSvilis mier Cata-
rebuli specoperacia, xolo
euTo-odiri da amerikis See-
rTebuli Statebis saelCo
acxadebs, rom arCevnebi Ziri-
Tadi Tavisuflebebis dacviT
Catarda. Tqven rogor Seaf-
asebT arCevnebis dRes?
_ es ori sxvadasxva mosazreba
maincdamainc ar ewinaaRmdegeba
erTmaneTs. garkveulwilad
ZiriTadi fundamenturi uflebebi
daculi iyo, magram es Sefaseba
TavisTavad ar gulisxmobs
imas, rom ar iyo karuselebi,
ar aris, minimum, uxarisxod
Sedgenili oqmebi da gaugebari
Sesworebis oqmebi. Cven axla
varT procesSi, rodesac yvela
Sefaseba daiwmindeba, daiwureba
da imedia, es dramatizmic
nel-nela ukana planze gadaiwevs.
dReis mdgomareobiT aravis
eWvi ar epareba, rom arCevnebze
iyo gayalbeba da sxvadasxva
tipis mamaZaRloba. xelisuflebam,
faqtobrivad, yvela mankieri
teqnologia gamoiyena, rac
uaxlesi istoriis ganmavloba-
Si dagrovda. sinamdvileSi, Tvi-
Ton axali araferi gamougonia,
man gamoiyena is, rac mis winamorbedebs
daugrovdaT arCevnebTan
dakavSirebiT Zalauflebis
borotad gamoyenebis procesSi.
rac ufro dro gadis, ra
Tqma unda, gamocdileba izrdeba
da, Sesabamisad, masStabebic
ufro msxvili xdeba. dReis
mdgomareobiT mTavari kiTxvaa:
am gayalbebebma ramdenad Secvala
arsebiTad arCevnebis Sedegi,
anu moxda Tu ara Zalauflebis
uzurpacia? am politikuri
krizisis fonze absoluturad
gaugebaria xelisuflebis pozicia,
romelic, erTi mxriv, ambobs,
rom yvelaferi wesrigSi
iyo da maT Caatares Zalian kargi
arCevnebi, magram, amasTanave,
uars acxadebs gadaTvlaze, ra
moTxovnac dgas opoziciis mxridan.
xelisuflebis es pozicia
maT damajereblobas aklebs da
eWvebs kidev ufro aZlierebs,
radgan Tu yvelaferi wesrgSi
gaqvs, viRac rom geubneba, ra-
Rac mopare da jibeSi gidevs, am
dros unda aCveno, ra gidevs
jibeSi. rom ar aCveneb, bunebrivia,
Cndeba safuZvliani eWvi,
rom marTla Sen xar momparavi.
xelisuflebas Tavidanve rom
konstruqciuli midgoma hqonoda
da eTqva, Tu ramis naxva da
gadamowmeba gindaT, gadavamowmoTo,
es problemac ver Seiqmneboda
da opozicias ar eqneboda
imis safuZveli, rom ase
„gaexurebina” politikuri vi-
Tareba. samwuxarod, axla varT
garkveul Cixur mdgomareobaSi,
rodesac xelisufleba cdilobs,
ZaliT gadatexos yvelaferi
da amisTvis, samwuxarod,
yvela mankier instruments iyenebs,
rac mis xelT aris dagrovili
da opoziciac ar apirebs
am mxriv daTmobas. axla varT
krizisul viTarebaSi, saidanac,
jerjerobiT, gamosavali ar
Cans, magram imedi maqvs, rom,
saboloo jamSi, raRac gamosavali
moiZebneba.
_ am arCevnebze gansakuTre-
biT did eWvebs aCens ceskos
muSaoba, romelmac ver/ar
daTvala xmebi. iseTi tragiko-
mikuri realoba miviReT, roca
arsebobs Sesworebis oqmi, Ses-
worebis, Sesworebis oqmi da
Sesworebis, Sesworebis, Ses-
worebis oqmi. Tavad cesko da
mmarTveli gundi amas adamianuri
SecdomebiT xsnian. ramdenad
gamodgeba maTi argumen-
tebi am nawilSi?
_ pirdapir getyviT, maTi argumentebi
tragikomikuria. Tu
aseT masobriv adamianur SecdomasTan
gvaqvs saqme, am SemTxvevaSi,
minimum, am arakvalificiurad
momzadebul kadrebze
da aseT arajansaR sistemaze
centraluri saarCevno komisiis
Tavmjdomarem pasuxismgebloba
unda aiRos da gadadges.
davuSvaT, ar gauyalbebiaT, ma-
gia xuxaSvili:
`faqtia: amomrCevlis
52%-ma xelisuflebis
winaaRmdeg misca xma
da umravlesobas
`qarTuli ocneba~
ar unda~
gram didi bodiSi, is adamianebi,
romlebmac ariTmetika ar
ician, masobrivad rom daiqirave
am procesis warsamarTavad,
mxolod amitom xar pasuxismgebeli
yvelafer amaze. Tundac
mxolod adamianuri faqtori
rom yofiliyo, ratom gaCnda es
faqtori? ratom daiqiraves
adamianebi, romlebmac Tvla da
oqmis dawera ar ician? anu Sen
ver Seasrule saTanadod Seni
movaleoba, rac gaxldaT is,
rom unda Segeqmna kvalificiuri
sistema, romelic am yvelafers
saTanado doneze moemsaxureboda
da es ver moaxerxa,
magram ar midis.
_ ratom ar tovebs Tamar
Jvania Tanamdebobas ? pasux-
ismgeblobas ver grZnobs Tu
misi wasvla mxolod masze ar
aris damokidebuli?
_ ar midis, radgan am nawil-
Sic safuZvliani eWvia, rom saarCevno
komisia ar aris uflebamosili
saerTod araferze,
maT Soris, arc gadawyvetilebis
miRebaze da arc xmebis daTvlaze.
mTlianad politikur vertikalSi
imyofeba da politikuri
diqtatis qveS muSaobs.
Tamar Jvanias SesaZloa, unda
kidec Tanamdebobidan wasvla,
magram eubnebian, rom es misi
gadasawyveti ar aris da amaze
pasuxismgebloba Tu aiRo, bolomde
unda miiyvanos, anu unda
uzrunvelyos Zalauflebis mdgradoba.
ase rom, Zalian rTuli
viTarebaa. aSS-Si mcire eWvi
rom gaCnda jorjiis StatSi,
Tavidan daiwyes gadaTvla da
patiosnad dganan da iTvlian.
wesieri xelisufleba aseT Sem-
TxvevaSi swored ase iqceva da
Tu ar iTvlis, e. i. problemaa
da raRac namamaZaRlari aqvs.
_ eqspertTa erTi jgufi
fiqrobs, opoziciis mxridan
sabotaJis mcdeloba iyoo. am
tipis gancxadebebs aqvs Tu ara
safuZveli da ras emsaxureba
am mosazrebis gavrceleba?
_ es angaJirebuli gancxadebebia.
davuSvaT, rom opozicias
`Tu aseT masobriv adamianur SecdomasTan
gvaqvs saqme, am SemTxvevaSi, minimum, am
arakvalificiurad momzadebul kadrebze da
aseT arajansaR sistemaze centraluri
saarCevno komisiis Tavmjdomarem
pasuxismgebloba unda aiRos da gadadges~
marTla SeuZlia aseTi ramis
gakeTeba, maSin miT umetes ar
unda datovo aseTi xelisufleba
saTaveSi. xelisuflebis
xelSia Zalovani sistema, specsamsaxurebi,
saarCevno komisiis
umravlesoba, yvelgan da yvelaferSi
isini arian, am dros ki
viRac gverdidan raRac sistemur
sabotaJs uwyobs. e. i. xelisuflebas
ar SeuZlia muSaoba
da saxlSi unda wavides. vfiqrob,
rom eqspertebis es gancxadebebi
xelisuflebisTvisvea
Seuracxmyofeli. qveyanas susti
xelisufleba unda, susti
xelisufleba aranakleb saxifaToa,
vidre _ naZirala.
_ arCevnebamde opozicia
gvarwmunebda, rom yvelafers
gaakeTebda xmebis dasacavad.
faqtia, rom arCevnebis dRes
opoziciam ver daicva amomrCe-
vlis xmebi. am nawilSi xedavT
Tu ara opoziciis pasuxismge-
blobis sakiTxs?
_ Cven xom welSi gamoyvanili
opozicia ar gvyavs. garda
amisa, opozicia ekleqturia da
aseTic unda iyos. es ar aris
erTi partia, rom disciplinaze
visaubroT, SigniT Zalian seriozuli
winaaRmdegobebia, Cven
ar unda dagvaviwydes, rom isini,
saboloo jamSi, erTmaneTis
konkurentebi arian. maT aqvT
Tematuri TanamSromloba, magram
es imas ar niSnavs, rom
yvelas ar aqvs sakuTari interesi.
garda amisa, sustebi arian
da Secdomebsac bevrs uSveben,
viciT Cven es. Cven mxolod xelisuflebis
problema ar gvaqvs,
qveyanaSi mTlianad politikuri
elitis problema dgas.
sazogadoebam ver moaxdina ise-
Ti politikuri landSaftis generireba,
romelic mosaxleobis
ZiriTad fundamentur problemebs
pasuxobs. opozicias Zalian
ver gavamtyunebT, rodesac
saarCevno komisiaSi absoluturi
umravlesoba, praqtikulad,
erTi partiis warmomadgenelia
da miT umetes, milionnai-
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