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`ivaniSvils unda, rom

8-9 ivnisis sisxliani Rame Savi

Sorena marsagiSvili

asoebiT Seva saqarTvelos isto-

599 92 16 22

riaSi. „gavrilovis Rames” xelisuflebam

daamtkica, rom Zalauflebis

SesanarCuneblad yvelafers ikadrebda. aqedan gamom-

dinare, opozicia darwmunebuli iyo, rom xelisufleba Zalas

axlac gamoiyenebda. Tumca aravis egona, ivaniSvils nervebi

pirvelsave dRes umtyunebda. is, rac ceskos SenobasTan mox-

da, murman dumbaZisTvis mosalodneli iyo. opoziciis erT-

erTi lideri ambobs, rom „qarTuli ocnebis” Tavma mxolod

ZaladobiT icis problemis mogvareba. dumbaZe ar gamoricx-

avs, rom es darbeva ivaniSvilisTvis morigi triuki iyos.

ra SeiZleba idges am darbevis

ukan? risTvis emzadeba ivaniS-

vili? rogor unda imoqmedos

opoziciam? visi eSinia „qarTuli

ocnebis” liders? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb murman dumbaZe „qroni-

ka+~-s esaubreba:

_ batono murman, ceskosTan

xalxis darbevas elodebodiT?

_ biZina ivaniSvilisgan yvelaferia

mosalodneli. aqedan gamomdinare,

sruliad ar gamkvirvebia,

rac 8-9 noembris Rames ceskosTan

moxda. ivaniSvili aris is kaci,

romelic patara SekamaTebis gamo

damemuqra. me masTan erTad davafuZne

„qarTuli ocneba”. Cven er-

Tad did dros vatarebdiT da

TanamebrZolebi viyaviT. xelisuflebaSi

mosvlis Semdeg ivaniSvilma

raRac sisuleleebis Cadena

daiwyo. amaze mivuTiTe da Cven

Soris uTanxmoeba Camovarda. misi

qmedebebi sajarodac gavakritike.

amiT gabrazebulma ivaniSvilma

damireka da pirdapir miTxra,

frTxilad iyavi, quCaSi araferi

dagemarToso.

_ es gafrTxileba rodis miiReT,

„ocnebidan” rom wamox-

vediT, Tu manamde?

_ jer kidev „ocnebis” wevri

viyavi. ivaniSvils premieris posti

ekava. Tanamdebobasac ki ar moerida

da damemuqra. es 2013 wlis

TebervalSi moxda. es adamiani

bunebiT aris kriminali da qmedebebic

kriminalis aqvs. is ufro

gamikvirdeboda, darbevaze rom ar

wasuliyo.

_ aseTi darbevebis Semdeg

xalxi ufro brazdeba da gac-

ilebiT meti adamiani gamodis

quCaSi. es ar icis ivaniSvilma?

_ icis, magram adamiani bunebiT

kriminalia da sxvanairad ver

moiqceva. is iqceva, rogorc gasuli

saukunis 90-iani wlebis ruseTSi

moqmedebda. darbeva, Tvalebis

daTxra, samagieros gadaxda

misTvis ucxo ar aris.

_ darbeviT saakaSvilic arbev-

da opozicias, magram xalxi ver

daaSina.

_ verc ivaniSvili daaSinebs.

amaze is aucileblad agebs pasuxs.

am darbevebisTvis saakaSvilmac

ago pasuxi da dRes samSoboSi ver

brundeba. me didi xani viyavi miSas

oponenti. araerTi aqcia movawyve

mis winaaRmdeg. 2011 wlis 26

maissac aqciaze videqi. es iyo sastiki

darbeva, magram ivaniSvilis

darbevebisgan gansxvavebiT, am darbevas

raRac gamarTleba mainc

hqonda.

_ Tqven 26 maisis darbevas am-

arTlebT?

_ am sastik darbevas ver gavamarTleb,

magram miSas im aqciis

dasarbevad sababi hqonda. 26 maiss

rusTavelis gamzirze samxedro

aRlumi unda gamarTuliyo. misi

CaSlis nebas aravin mogvcemda.

sisastike rom ar gamoeCinaT, am

aqciis daSlis gamo miSas veravin

Seedaveboda. misgan gansxvavebiT,

ivaniSvili Tavs ver gaimarTlebs.

_ ukve bevri darbevaa ivaniS-

vilis angariSze. cotac da miSas

gadaaswrebs.

_ Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rom

miSas dros darbevebs amarTlebda,

CaTvaleT, rom didi xnis win

gadaaswro. Cvenma sazogadoebam am

Zaladobaze Tvali ar unda daxu-

Wos. mTeli qveynis masStabiT unda

gaimarTos aqciebi. marto Tbilisi

da baTumi ar kmara. mTeli saqarTvelo

unda gamovides quCaSi.

_ gamova da mTeli qveynis mas-

StabiT daiwyeba darbevebi.

_ ramdens daarbevs? am xalxze

darbeva ar Wris. Cvens mosaxleobaSi

Zaladoba uaress protests

iwvevs.

_ Tqven ivaniSvils kargad

icnobT da rogor ggoniaT,

pirdapir darbevaze ratom gada-

dis? ase male SeiZleba, rom kacs

nervebma umtyunos?

_ man Zaladobis garda sxva

araferi icis. ase iSova fuli da

ase cdilobs am qveynis dapatronebas.

am darbevebs rac Seexeba, ar

gamovricxav, es ruseTs ukavSirdebodes.

_ ruseTi avalebs, aqcia daar-

bieo? Tu ruseTis saameblad

akeTebs amas?

_ SeiZleba, erTic aris da _

meorec, arc mesame variants gamovricxav.

ivaniSvili putinzea

damokidebuli da misi Zalian eSinia.

putini mas ar aZlevs imis

uflebas, rom xelisufleba daTmos.

am darbevebiT revolucias

CaliCobs. putins etyvis, ra vqna,

xom xedav, xalxma Camomagdoo. ar

gamikvirdeba, amas ukavSirdebodes

amdeni adamianis cema da dasaxi-

Creba. ivaniSvilis bolo mainc

wiTeli moedania. amas Tavadac

xvdeba da Tadarigs iWers.

darbevebi momavalSic iqneba,

magram es protests ver gaaCerebs.

opozicia dRes iseTi erTiania,

rogorc arasdros. es erTianoba

aucileblad gamoiRebs Sedegs.

„ocnebam” arCevani mogvpara da mas

aucileblad davibrunebT.

biZina ivaniSvilma katastrofuli

Secdoma dauSva, roca Sereuli

sistema datova. srulad opoziciur

sistemaze rom gadavsuliyaviT,

amxela ayalmayal aRar iqne-

murman dumbaZe:

`misi bolo

aris wiTeli

moedani!~

boda. arCevnebi dasruldeboda 31

oqtombers da is dasruldeboda

opoziciis gamarjvebiT. ivaniSvilma

Secdoma dauSva, rom igive

ar gaimeora, rac saakaSvilma 2012

wlis pirvel oqtombers gaakeTa.

_ Tqven sul imas ambobdiT,

rom ivaniSvili arCevnebSi dama-

rcxebas aRiarebso.

_ megona, rom ase moiqceoda,

radgan es misTvis ukeTesi iyo. mas

SeeZlo, kargad Sesuliyo saqar-

Tvelos istoriaSi. samwuxarod,

man sxva gza airCia. mogexsenebaT,

Tu ra didi gamocdileba maqvs

politikaSi. am gamocdilebis

gaTvaliswinebiT Tamamad geubnebiT,

rom ivaniSvilis „ocneba”

aris SevardnaZis „moqkavSiri” da

abaSiZis „aRorZineba”.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ imas, rom „ocnebac” iseve

gardaicvala, rogorc „moqkavSiri”

da „aRorZineba”. ivaniSvilis

bolo iqneba moskovi, wiTeli

moedani. es ukeTess SemTxvevaSi.

araa gamoricxuli, cixeSic aRmoCndes.

man xalxs arCevnebi mohpara,

qurdoba ki danaSaulia.

_ opozicia sul ambobda, rom

arCevnebis gayalbebas ar Seegueboda.

Tqveni azriT, ratom wavi-

da ivaniSvili aseT gayalbebaze?

ra egona, protesti ar iqneboda?

_ mas sufTad TamaSi ar Seu-

Zlia. ivaniSvili ZaladobiT aRwevda

yovelTvis mizans. is verc

politikosad Camoyalibda. politikosi

rom yofiliyo, amaze ar

wavidoda. mas win hqonda SevardnaZisa

da abaSiZis magaliTebi.

qarTveli xalxi gayalbebas ar

patiobs. mixeil saakaSvils bevri

nakli aqvs da bevri Secdomac

dauSvia, magram is politikosia.

man 2012 wels aRiara arCevnebSi

`ivaniSvili aris is kaci, romelic patara

SekamaTebis gamo damemuqra. me masTan erTad

davafuZne `qarTuli ocneba~. Cven erTad did

dros vatarebdiT da TanamebrZolebi viyaviT.

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg ivaniSvilma

raRac sisuleleebis Cadena daiwyo. amaze

mivuTiTe da Cven Soris uTanxmoeba Camovarda.

misi qmedebebi sajarodac gavakritike. amiT

gabrazebulma ivaniSvilma damireka da

pirdapir miTxra, frTxilad iyavi, quCaSi

araferi dagemarToso~

damarcxeba da darCa politikaSi.

ivaniSvili ki darCa xelisuflebaSi,

magram darCa politikis miRma.

_ es ranairad?

_ Cveulebrivad. ivaniSvili ki

darCa xelisuflebaSi, magram

politikis miRmaa da amas araferi

eSveleba. arsebul viTarebaSi gamosavalic

Zneli sapovnelia. wesiT,

man xelaxali arCevnebi unda

daniSnos, romelic Tavisufal

garemoSi Catardeba. es naklebad

savaraudoa, biZina amaze ar wava.

amis sapasuxod opoziciam swori

nabiji gadadga.

_ aqciebia swori nabiji?

_ aqciebic, magram aranakleb

mniSvnelovania bariergadalaxuli

partiebis gadawyvetileba. maT

erTxmad ganacxades, rom parlamentSi

ar Sevlen. ivaniSvili parlamentSi

iqneba marto. es mis Zalas

did uxerxulobas Seuqmnis. maT

aucileblad mouwevT daTmobaze

wasvla.

_ ise, „ocneba” bolomde Tavs

gamarjvebulad ar miiCnevs.

arCevnebis mogeba ramdenime wu-

Tiani zeimiT aRniSna mxolod.

amas riT axsniT?

_ arCevnebis periodSic da

axlac baTumSi var. baTumSi viyavi

arCevnebis Ramesac. „qarTuli

ocnebis” ofisi Cveni ofisis gverdiT

aris. Zalian civilizebuli

urTierToba gvqonda da erTi kamaTic

ki ar mogvsvlia, miuxedavad

imisa, rom erTmaneTs mwvaved

vakritikebdiT. roca ceskom Sedegebi

gamoacxada, „ocnebis” baTumis

ofisSic xanmokle zeimi gaimarTa.

mere daiSalnen. arCevnebis

mogebas ase xanmokle zeimiT aravin

aRniSnavs. „qarTuli ocnebis”

mokrZaleba pirdapir kavSirSia

gayalbebasTan. am partiaSi yvelaze

ukeT ician, Tu ra doziT gaayalbes

arCevnebi. ise gaayalbes, rom

gamarjvebis aRniSvnisac ki SercxvaT.

darwmunebuli var, ivaniSvilic

ar zeimobs am gamarjvebas. man

kargad icis, ra Caidina da imasac

acnobierebs, ra SeiZleba amis gamo

miiRos. mas dasavleTic mosTxovs

pasuxs. pirvel rigSi ki am

qveynis moqalaqeebisTvis mouwevs

pasuxis gacema. zeviT giTxariT,

rom ivaniSvili ki darCa xelisu-

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