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li iyos. xedavT logikas?
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xelisuflebam uunaroba gamoavlina
krizisis marTvis pirobeb-
Si. aqedan gamomdinare, gaugebaria,
ra sargebeli unda naxos amisgan
xelisuflebam, iseve rogorc
gaugebaria, ra sargebeli SeiZleboda
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Sia.
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gaiqca,
samarTaldamcvelma
sistemam ver imuSava. momxdari
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nebis Sedegebze?
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qmnis maTi xelisuflebisadmi
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ramxela socialuri gaWirvebaa
qveyanaSi, seriozuli protestis
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sigiJeebi ar
gaakeTes,
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warmomidgenia
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koalicia~
rTlebaze gvqondes aq saqme, ufro
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Sedegs, magram rogorc kidev
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vfiqrob, es Zalian uniWo gaTvlaa~
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