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`qarTuli ocneba~ uwyobs xels~

iqidan dabrunebis Semdeg daviwye

prezidentis impiCmentis procedura.

amis Sesaxebac parlamentis

tribunidan gavakeTe gancxadeba.

isic ganvmarte, Tu ratom

daviwye es procedura. im dRes,

roca azerbaijanelebma SeuzRudes

qarTvelebs garejaSi gadasvlis

ufleba, saakaSvili dasasveneblad

gadafrinda italiaSi

da iq iSopinga kidevac. Cvenma momxreebma

gadaiRes, Tu rogor yidulobda

is ZviradRirebul

saaTs.

_ eg cnobili fotoa da mag

dRes TbilisSi, orTaWalaSi,

wyaldidobam ramdenime adamiani

imsxverpla.

_ wyaldidoba daemTxva am ambavs

da ase daiwyo impiCmentis

procedura. minda, yvelam naxos

es kadrebi da moisminos is,

rasac „nacionalebi” meubnebian.

isini dazepirebuli frazebiT

saubrobdnen da razec apelirebdnen,

SemdegSi gaakeTes kidec.

Tqves, _ Cveni sizRvari yovelTvis

qeds qveviT iyoo. warmodgenac

ar hqondaT, ras ambobdnen.

isini garejaSic ki ar iyvnen namyofi.

Cven gasuli saukunis 80-

iani wlebidan davdiodiT da vicodT,

rom azerbaijanelebi

arasdros amodiodnen qedze.

Cveni mezoblebi axal istorias

weren da undaT, rom albanuri

kulturis memkvidreebad

gamoacxadon Tavi. gasagebia, rom

istoriis galamazeba undaT, magram

imaze ar gvifiqria, ra moxdeba,

erT dRes Cven Soris omi

rom daiwyos? amaT xelSia strategiuli

simaRle. azerbaijani

Tu Cemi strategiuli partnioria,

ar mesmis, ratom cdilobs

Cemi teritoriebis xarjze raRac

upiratesoba moipovos? gareji

CvenTvis mxolod geografiuli

erTeuli araa, es adgili

Cveni sulierebaa. jer saerTod

ratom unda daTmo Seni miwa da

gansakuTrebiT im SemTxvevaSi,

Tu viRac daJinebiT iTxovs im

adgils? es imas niSnavs, rom raRacas

ar gamoricxaven. aba, ratom

undaT am strategiuli simaRlis

xelSi Cagdeba? wina xelisufleba

amaSi Cvens mezobel saxelmwifos

Zalian daexmara.

_ gavigeT, rom „nacionale-

bma” cudi saqme Caidines, magram

ratom dumda aqamde „qarTuli

ocneba”? mecxre weli daiwyo,

rac xelisuflebis saTaveSi ar-

ian da axla gaaxsendaT gareja?

_ qarTul sazogadoebaSi

dRes es kiTxva yvelaze aqtualuri

unda iyos. informacia

imis Sesaxeb, rom „nacionalebma”

Ralati Caidines, yvelas hqonda.

bolos da bolos, sajarod miviTxove

saakaSvilis impiCmenti da

mas RalatSi vdebdi brals. informacia

imis Sesaxebac arsebobda,

rom maT amaSi fuli hqondaT

aRebuli.

_ egre bevr vinmeze SeiZleba

imis Tqma, rom fuli aiRo.

_ amis damamtkicebeli masalebi

maqvs da pirdapir SemiZlia

`amis garkveva Zneli ar aris. am rukaze nebismiers SeuZlia imis danaxva,

rom am rukis mixedviT saqarTvelos saxelmwifo sazRvari bevrad Sors

gadis, vidre CiCxitura da udabnoa~

giTxraT, Tu ra dividendebi miiRes

„nacionalebma” saxelmwifo

RalatSi.

_ Tu SegiZliaT amis Tqma,

gviTxariT.

_ saakaSvilma da misma garemocvam

Ralatis sanacvlod „sokarjorjiaSi”

miiRes wilebi. saubaria

43%-ze. am aqciebs akontrolebda

aleko xeTaguri, romelic

„nacionalebis” dros qveynis

energetikis ministri iyo. es yvelaferi

dukumenturad aris dadasturebuli.

_ sadac araviTar SemTxveva-

Si ar iqneba Cawerili, rom amis

da amis gulisTvis akontro-

lebs aqciebs aleko xeTaguri.

_ amas vin Cawerda, magram

risTvis arsebobs prokuratura?

am organom unda gamoikvlios, ra

damsaxurebisTvis miiRes „nacionalebma”

„sokar-jorjiaSi” wilebi.

saakaSvili da bokeria xom

erTmaneTs RrRnian, magram rogorc

ki garejaze midgeba saqme,

erTnairi mesijboqsebiT saubroben.

maT Ralati da danaSauli

aerTianebs. SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac

ki naTlad Cans, rom isini

RalatiT miRebul investiciebs

icaven.

_ Tu es asea, ratom arafers

ambobs amaze „qarTuli ocneba”?

„ocnebis” bevri lideri im dros

bobola „naci” iyo da maT gareSe

es saqme ar Caivlida.

_ meeWveba, rom ar scodnodaT.

Tu ar icodnen, waikiTxaven

„qronika+”-s da gaigeben. marTalia,

respondenti var, magram

erTi kiTxvis dasmis ufleba mec

maqvs. vekiTxebi Tqvens mkiTxvels,

_ im kacs ar hqvia saqarTvelos

moRalate, romelic saqarTvelosTvis

sasargeblo rukebze

ityvis, yalbiao? moRalatea,

aba, ra aris?

_ jondi, Tqven darwmunebu-

li xarT, rom es rukebi naRdia

da raRac falsifikaciasTan ar

gvaqvs saqme?

_ dazustebiT geubnebiT, rom

es rukebi namdvilia. es rukebi

namdvilic rom ar iyos, rogor

SeiZleba amaze yvirili? aseTi

rame CemTvis warmoudgenelia.

_ siyalbeze vinme Tu ityvis,

siyalbeao, amaSi warmoudgeneli

ra aris?

`risTvis arsebobs prokuratura? am organom

unda gamoikvlios, ra damsaxurebisTvis miiRes

`nacionalebma~ `sokar-jorjiaSi~ wilebi.

saakaSvili da bokeria xom erTmaneTs

RrRnian, magram rogorc ki garejaze midgeba

saqme, erTnairi mesijboqsebiT saubroben~

_ warmoudgeneli isaa, rom es

qveyanas azianebs. es rukebi namdvilic

rom ar iyos, Sen ratom

yvirixar amas? es igivea, qveynis

sawinaaRmdegod misce Cveneba.

_ bevri ambobs, rom es rukebi

saqarTvelos ufro savala-

lo mdgomareobaSi Caayenebs.

_ tyuilia. es ruka Cemi TvaliT

maqvs nanaxi da SemiZlia Tamamad

giTxraT, rom is saqarTvelos

interesebs ar daazianebs.

aucileblad unda moviTxovo am

rukis gamoqveyneba, rom msgavsi

mosazrebebi aRar gaCndes sazogadoebaSi.

es ruka saqarTvelos

arc erT monakveTSi ar Seuqmnis

araxelsayrel viTarebas.

1996 wels azerbaijanisa da

saqarTvelos maSindelma prezidentebma

saintereso SeTanxmebas

moaweres xeli. am SeTanxmebaSi

pirdapir Caiwera, rom sazRvris

dadgenis dros imoqmedebdnen

1938 wlis rukebiT. „nacionalebi”

am rukaze amboben, aralegitimuri

da Semogdebuli dokumenti

ariso.

_ ra garantia gvaqvs, rom es

ruka namdvilad 1938 wels aris

gamocemuli?

_ amis garkveva Zneli ar aris.

am rukaze nebismiers SeuZlia

imis danaxva, rom mis mixedviT

saqarTvelos saxelmwifo sazRvari

bevrad Sors gadis, vidre

CiCxitura da udabnoa. ver warmomidgenia,

rogor SeiZleba am

rukasTan raime kiTxvebi gauCndes

qarTvel kacs.

_ am rukasTan dakavSirebiT

amdeni kiTxva ar gaCndeboda, is

SarSan an Tundac eqvsi Tvis win

rom gamoemzeurebinaT. arCev-

nebis win am rukis afrialeba da

misi gamoyenebiT mTavari opoziciuri

Zalis CaZirvis mcdelo-

ba saarCevno xriks ufro hgavs,

vidre istoruli samarTliano-

bis aRdgenis mcdelobas.

_ gamoricxuli araa, rom xelisuflebam

es dokumenti Segnebulad

gamoitana arCevnebis

win da unda, amiT mowinaaRmdegis

reitingi daswios, magram es

xom rukis brali araa da es mis

mniSvnelobas veranairad daakninebs.

amas rukiT Crdili ratom

unda miadges?

_ am SemTxvevaSi rukaze ara-

vin daobs, saubaria imaze, ratom

gamoiyenes axla es dokumenti?

_ amasTan dakavSirebiT mec

maqvs kiTxvebi, magram vimeoreb:

rukis mniSvnelobas misi gamoqveynebis

TariRi Crdils ver

miayenebs. xelisufleba, vTqvaT,

saarCevno xriks mimarTavs, magram

daviTgarejasa da qveyanaze

xom unda vifiqroT? maT ra

dagviSaves? ratom saubroben,

rom es rukebi yalbia? ase ar

SeiZleba. „nacionalebis” ambavi

gasagebia, Ralats faraven, magram

sxvebisgan mikvirs.

_ am rukis mimarT eWvebs xe-

lisuflebis damokidebulebac

aCens. Tavidan didi zarzeimi

atexes rukis gamoCenis gamo,

magram Zalian male miaviwydaT

es Tema. gasul kviras TiTqmis

ar uxsenebiaT.

_ es Zalian cudia, magram amis

gamo xelisufleba unda vakritikoT

da ara _ ruka, romelic

Zalian mniSvnelovani dokumentia.

„nacionalebma” rom Ralati

Caidines, esec unda vTqvaT da

iqve arc is davmaloT, rom es

ambavi „qarTulma ocnebam”

arCevnebSi xmebis misaRebad gamoiyena.

yvela mxare unda vamxiloT,

magram vimeoreb, rom

rukaze aralegitimuriao, ar

vTqvaT. sruli pasuxismgeblobiT

geubnebiT, rom es kanonieri

rukaa. am rukiT SegviZlia imis

damtkiceba, rom daviTgareja

Cvens teritoriazea da Cvenia.

_ ambobT, rom es ruka Cvens

simarTles amtkicebso, magram

mivaRwevT rames? ramdenad efe-

qtianad gamoiyenebs am rukas xe-

lisufleba? Tu Caivlis arCevnebi

da ruka aRaravis gaaxsen-

deba?

_ 1996 wels miRweuli SeTanxmebis

Tanaxmad, saqarTvelo

da azerbaijani sazRvrebs 1938

wels gamocemuli rukis mixedviT

daadgens. es ruka Cvens xelTaa,

sadac naTlad aris asaxuli

saxelmwifo sazRvari. xelisufleba

ramdenad gamoiyenebs

am rukas? _ amaze winaswar

verafers getyviT.

sazogadoebam keTili vineboT

da Tvalyuri vadevnoT, Tu

rogor warimarTeba movlenebi.

ar mivceT xelisuflebas imis

ufleba, rom arCevnebis Semdeg

Tema Caifarcxos. marTla ramis

gakeTebas Tu apirebs es xelisufleba,

es am kviraSi gamoCndeba.

_ ra unda gamoCndes am kvi-

raSi?

_ mainteresebs, am Temaze „nacionalebis”

liderebs Tu daibareben

prokuraturaSi. ramdenadac

vici, sagamoZiebo uwyebas

Zalian mniSvnelovani informaciebi

aqvs. prokuraturas mec

mivawode saintereso cnobebi. am

Temam Tu aiwia, e. i. marTla ainteresebT.

_ Tu miCqmales?

_ maSin gamodis, rom marTla

saarCevnod undodaT am Temis

gamoyeneba, magram ruka saxezea

da am sakiTxs veravin miCqmalavs.

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