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`qarTuli ocneba~ uwyobs xels~
iqidan dabrunebis Semdeg daviwye
prezidentis impiCmentis procedura.
amis Sesaxebac parlamentis
tribunidan gavakeTe gancxadeba.
isic ganvmarte, Tu ratom
daviwye es procedura. im dRes,
roca azerbaijanelebma SeuzRudes
qarTvelebs garejaSi gadasvlis
ufleba, saakaSvili dasasveneblad
gadafrinda italiaSi
da iq iSopinga kidevac. Cvenma momxreebma
gadaiRes, Tu rogor yidulobda
is ZviradRirebul
saaTs.
_ eg cnobili fotoa da mag
dRes TbilisSi, orTaWalaSi,
wyaldidobam ramdenime adamiani
imsxverpla.
_ wyaldidoba daemTxva am ambavs
da ase daiwyo impiCmentis
procedura. minda, yvelam naxos
es kadrebi da moisminos is,
rasac „nacionalebi” meubnebian.
isini dazepirebuli frazebiT
saubrobdnen da razec apelirebdnen,
SemdegSi gaakeTes kidec.
Tqves, _ Cveni sizRvari yovelTvis
qeds qveviT iyoo. warmodgenac
ar hqondaT, ras ambobdnen.
isini garejaSic ki ar iyvnen namyofi.
Cven gasuli saukunis 80-
iani wlebidan davdiodiT da vicodT,
rom azerbaijanelebi
arasdros amodiodnen qedze.
Cveni mezoblebi axal istorias
weren da undaT, rom albanuri
kulturis memkvidreebad
gamoacxadon Tavi. gasagebia, rom
istoriis galamazeba undaT, magram
imaze ar gvifiqria, ra moxdeba,
erT dRes Cven Soris omi
rom daiwyos? amaT xelSia strategiuli
simaRle. azerbaijani
Tu Cemi strategiuli partnioria,
ar mesmis, ratom cdilobs
Cemi teritoriebis xarjze raRac
upiratesoba moipovos? gareji
CvenTvis mxolod geografiuli
erTeuli araa, es adgili
Cveni sulierebaa. jer saerTod
ratom unda daTmo Seni miwa da
gansakuTrebiT im SemTxvevaSi,
Tu viRac daJinebiT iTxovs im
adgils? es imas niSnavs, rom raRacas
ar gamoricxaven. aba, ratom
undaT am strategiuli simaRlis
xelSi Cagdeba? wina xelisufleba
amaSi Cvens mezobel saxelmwifos
Zalian daexmara.
_ gavigeT, rom „nacionale-
bma” cudi saqme Caidines, magram
ratom dumda aqamde „qarTuli
ocneba”? mecxre weli daiwyo,
rac xelisuflebis saTaveSi ar-
ian da axla gaaxsendaT gareja?
_ qarTul sazogadoebaSi
dRes es kiTxva yvelaze aqtualuri
unda iyos. informacia
imis Sesaxeb, rom „nacionalebma”
Ralati Caidines, yvelas hqonda.
bolos da bolos, sajarod miviTxove
saakaSvilis impiCmenti da
mas RalatSi vdebdi brals. informacia
imis Sesaxebac arsebobda,
rom maT amaSi fuli hqondaT
aRebuli.
_ egre bevr vinmeze SeiZleba
imis Tqma, rom fuli aiRo.
_ amis damamtkicebeli masalebi
maqvs da pirdapir SemiZlia
`amis garkveva Zneli ar aris. am rukaze nebismiers SeuZlia imis danaxva,
rom am rukis mixedviT saqarTvelos saxelmwifo sazRvari bevrad Sors
gadis, vidre CiCxitura da udabnoa~
giTxraT, Tu ra dividendebi miiRes
„nacionalebma” saxelmwifo
RalatSi.
_ Tu SegiZliaT amis Tqma,
gviTxariT.
_ saakaSvilma da misma garemocvam
Ralatis sanacvlod „sokarjorjiaSi”
miiRes wilebi. saubaria
43%-ze. am aqciebs akontrolebda
aleko xeTaguri, romelic
„nacionalebis” dros qveynis
energetikis ministri iyo. es yvelaferi
dukumenturad aris dadasturebuli.
_ sadac araviTar SemTxveva-
Si ar iqneba Cawerili, rom amis
da amis gulisTvis akontro-
lebs aqciebs aleko xeTaguri.
_ amas vin Cawerda, magram
risTvis arsebobs prokuratura?
am organom unda gamoikvlios, ra
damsaxurebisTvis miiRes „nacionalebma”
„sokar-jorjiaSi” wilebi.
saakaSvili da bokeria xom
erTmaneTs RrRnian, magram rogorc
ki garejaze midgeba saqme,
erTnairi mesijboqsebiT saubroben.
maT Ralati da danaSauli
aerTianebs. SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac
ki naTlad Cans, rom isini
RalatiT miRebul investiciebs
icaven.
_ Tu es asea, ratom arafers
ambobs amaze „qarTuli ocneba”?
„ocnebis” bevri lideri im dros
bobola „naci” iyo da maT gareSe
es saqme ar Caivlida.
_ meeWveba, rom ar scodnodaT.
Tu ar icodnen, waikiTxaven
„qronika+”-s da gaigeben. marTalia,
respondenti var, magram
erTi kiTxvis dasmis ufleba mec
maqvs. vekiTxebi Tqvens mkiTxvels,
_ im kacs ar hqvia saqarTvelos
moRalate, romelic saqarTvelosTvis
sasargeblo rukebze
ityvis, yalbiao? moRalatea,
aba, ra aris?
_ jondi, Tqven darwmunebu-
li xarT, rom es rukebi naRdia
da raRac falsifikaciasTan ar
gvaqvs saqme?
_ dazustebiT geubnebiT, rom
es rukebi namdvilia. es rukebi
namdvilic rom ar iyos, rogor
SeiZleba amaze yvirili? aseTi
rame CemTvis warmoudgenelia.
_ siyalbeze vinme Tu ityvis,
siyalbeao, amaSi warmoudgeneli
ra aris?
`risTvis arsebobs prokuratura? am organom
unda gamoikvlios, ra damsaxurebisTvis miiRes
`nacionalebma~ `sokar-jorjiaSi~ wilebi.
saakaSvili da bokeria xom erTmaneTs
RrRnian, magram rogorc ki garejaze midgeba
saqme, erTnairi mesijboqsebiT saubroben~
_ warmoudgeneli isaa, rom es
qveyanas azianebs. es rukebi namdvilic
rom ar iyos, Sen ratom
yvirixar amas? es igivea, qveynis
sawinaaRmdegod misce Cveneba.
_ bevri ambobs, rom es rukebi
saqarTvelos ufro savala-
lo mdgomareobaSi Caayenebs.
_ tyuilia. es ruka Cemi TvaliT
maqvs nanaxi da SemiZlia Tamamad
giTxraT, rom is saqarTvelos
interesebs ar daazianebs.
aucileblad unda moviTxovo am
rukis gamoqveyneba, rom msgavsi
mosazrebebi aRar gaCndes sazogadoebaSi.
es ruka saqarTvelos
arc erT monakveTSi ar Seuqmnis
araxelsayrel viTarebas.
1996 wels azerbaijanisa da
saqarTvelos maSindelma prezidentebma
saintereso SeTanxmebas
moaweres xeli. am SeTanxmebaSi
pirdapir Caiwera, rom sazRvris
dadgenis dros imoqmedebdnen
1938 wlis rukebiT. „nacionalebi”
am rukaze amboben, aralegitimuri
da Semogdebuli dokumenti
ariso.
_ ra garantia gvaqvs, rom es
ruka namdvilad 1938 wels aris
gamocemuli?
_ amis garkveva Zneli ar aris.
am rukaze nebismiers SeuZlia
imis danaxva, rom mis mixedviT
saqarTvelos saxelmwifo sazRvari
bevrad Sors gadis, vidre
CiCxitura da udabnoa. ver warmomidgenia,
rogor SeiZleba am
rukasTan raime kiTxvebi gauCndes
qarTvel kacs.
_ am rukasTan dakavSirebiT
amdeni kiTxva ar gaCndeboda, is
SarSan an Tundac eqvsi Tvis win
rom gamoemzeurebinaT. arCev-
nebis win am rukis afrialeba da
misi gamoyenebiT mTavari opoziciuri
Zalis CaZirvis mcdelo-
ba saarCevno xriks ufro hgavs,
vidre istoruli samarTliano-
bis aRdgenis mcdelobas.
_ gamoricxuli araa, rom xelisuflebam
es dokumenti Segnebulad
gamoitana arCevnebis
win da unda, amiT mowinaaRmdegis
reitingi daswios, magram es
xom rukis brali araa da es mis
mniSvnelobas veranairad daakninebs.
amas rukiT Crdili ratom
unda miadges?
_ am SemTxvevaSi rukaze ara-
vin daobs, saubaria imaze, ratom
gamoiyenes axla es dokumenti?
_ amasTan dakavSirebiT mec
maqvs kiTxvebi, magram vimeoreb:
rukis mniSvnelobas misi gamoqveynebis
TariRi Crdils ver
miayenebs. xelisufleba, vTqvaT,
saarCevno xriks mimarTavs, magram
daviTgarejasa da qveyanaze
xom unda vifiqroT? maT ra
dagviSaves? ratom saubroben,
rom es rukebi yalbia? ase ar
SeiZleba. „nacionalebis” ambavi
gasagebia, Ralats faraven, magram
sxvebisgan mikvirs.
_ am rukis mimarT eWvebs xe-
lisuflebis damokidebulebac
aCens. Tavidan didi zarzeimi
atexes rukis gamoCenis gamo,
magram Zalian male miaviwydaT
es Tema. gasul kviras TiTqmis
ar uxsenebiaT.
_ es Zalian cudia, magram amis
gamo xelisufleba unda vakritikoT
da ara _ ruka, romelic
Zalian mniSvnelovani dokumentia.
„nacionalebma” rom Ralati
Caidines, esec unda vTqvaT da
iqve arc is davmaloT, rom es
ambavi „qarTulma ocnebam”
arCevnebSi xmebis misaRebad gamoiyena.
yvela mxare unda vamxiloT,
magram vimeoreb, rom
rukaze aralegitimuriao, ar
vTqvaT. sruli pasuxismgeblobiT
geubnebiT, rom es kanonieri
rukaa. am rukiT SegviZlia imis
damtkiceba, rom daviTgareja
Cvens teritoriazea da Cvenia.
_ ambobT, rom es ruka Cvens
simarTles amtkicebso, magram
mivaRwevT rames? ramdenad efe-
qtianad gamoiyenebs am rukas xe-
lisufleba? Tu Caivlis arCevnebi
da ruka aRaravis gaaxsen-
deba?
_ 1996 wels miRweuli SeTanxmebis
Tanaxmad, saqarTvelo
da azerbaijani sazRvrebs 1938
wels gamocemuli rukis mixedviT
daadgens. es ruka Cvens xelTaa,
sadac naTlad aris asaxuli
saxelmwifo sazRvari. xelisufleba
ramdenad gamoiyenebs
am rukas? _ amaze winaswar
verafers getyviT.
sazogadoebam keTili vineboT
da Tvalyuri vadevnoT, Tu
rogor warimarTeba movlenebi.
ar mivceT xelisuflebas imis
ufleba, rom arCevnebis Semdeg
Tema Caifarcxos. marTla ramis
gakeTebas Tu apirebs es xelisufleba,
es am kviraSi gamoCndeba.
_ ra unda gamoCndes am kvi-
raSi?
_ mainteresebs, am Temaze „nacionalebis”
liderebs Tu daibareben
prokuraturaSi. ramdenadac
vici, sagamoZiebo uwyebas
Zalian mniSvnelovani informaciebi
aqvs. prokuraturas mec
mivawode saintereso cnobebi. am
Temam Tu aiwia, e. i. marTla ainteresebT.
_ Tu miCqmales?
_ maSin gamodis, rom marTla
saarCevnod undodaT am Temis
gamoyeneba, magram ruka saxezea
da am sakiTxs veravin miCqmalavs.
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