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arCevnebis gayalbebas gegmavs
unda davamatoT.
miuxedavad imisa, rom am TemiT
dainteresebuli var, ar vici,
saarCevno siaSi ucxoeTSi myofi
ra raodenobis amomrCevelia. ai,
magaliTad, 2012 wels aseTi amomrCeveli
300 aTasi iyo. mas mere 8
weli gavida da, logikurad rom
vimsjeloT, emigrantebis ricxvic
gaizarda. mokled, yvelaferi imaze
miuTiTebs, rom „ocneba” ecdeba,
arCevnebze mis xelT arsebuli
nebismieri saSualeba gamoiyenos,
anu kovidis TemaSi 2-3 procenti
rom moagvaros, es imas niSnavs, rom
es ori-sami procenti, romelic
„ocnebas” moemateba, opozicias
daakldeba da, saboloo jamSi,
SedegebSi, saSualod, 5-procentiani
sxvaoba iqneba. plus, amas, e.
w. karuselebzec 2-3 procenti modis.
ase „ocneba” 10 procentamde
mainc moagrovebs, rac saparlamento
arCevnebis dros, miT umetes,
saparlamento respublikaSi, sakmaod
mniSvnelovani foraa.
_ e. i., Tu „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi
darCa, pirveli noembri-
dan korona statistika daiklebs?
_ warmodgena ar maqvs, ras
izams, radgan amoralobis garda
saqme ucodinarobasa da qaosTanac
gvaqvs!
_ opozicias an arasamTavro-
bo seqtors ra berketebi aqvs,
rom arCevnebis gayalbeba ar
dauSvas, miT umetes, im fonze,
roca koronavirusis gamo ucxoe-
li damkvirveblebic ar Camodian?
_ maqsimaluri gaxmaureba, informireba
da prevencia. amis Semdeg
yvelafer amis definicia da
politikuri Sefaseba. es procesi
rac ufro Sekruli iqneba da
saTqmels yvela erTad ityvis, warmatebis
meti Sansi gaCndeba.
_ geTanxmebiT, magram opozi-
cia xom or frontze ibrZvis, anu
mxolod „ocnebas” ki ar upir-
ispirdeba, aramed sxvadasxva
opoziciuri partia angariSis
gasworebas erTmaneTTanac cdi-
lobs. es xom gamarjvebis Sanss
amcirebs, zurab batono?
_ opozicia erT azrze, ra Tqma
unda, ver iqneba da arc unda iyos,
Tumca rasac dRes vuyureb, TanamSromlobis
uprecedento formatia.
_ opoziciis TanamSromloba
raSi gamoixateba?
_ ai, magaliTad, xmebis gayalbebis
sawinaaRmdego jgufi muSaobs.
garda amisa, leiboristuli
partiis interpartiuli formatic
arsebobs, sadac garkveuli sakiTxebis
kordinacia xdeba. sxvaTa
Soris, Tu 30-wlian istorias gaviTvaliswinebT,
aseTi precedenti
ar yofila. gasagebia, rom opozi-
`xmebis gayalbebis sawinaaRmdego jgufi muSaobs. garda amisa,
leiboristuli partiis interpartiuli formatic arsebobs, sadac
garkveuli sakiTxebis kordinacia xdeba. sxvaTa Soris, Tu 30-wlian
istorias gaviTvaliswinebT, aseTi precedenti ar yofila. gasagebia, rom
opoziciuri partiebi erTmaneTis konkurentebi arian, magram miuxedavad
amisa, vfiqrob, rom maTi TanamSromloba maRal donezea~
ciuri partiebi erTmaneTis konkurentebi
arian, magram miuxedavad
amisa, vfiqrob, rom maTi TanamSromloba
maRal donezea. urTierTkritika
aris da unda iyos
kidec, magram Tu „ocnebam” gayalbebis
mTeli meqanizmebi aamuSava,
gansakuTrebiT arCevnebis dRes, es
konsolidaciis xarisxi kidev
ufro gaizrdeba.
_ RmerTma qnas, ase moxdes, ma-
gram Cemze kargad iciT, rom
arCevnebi uSualod xmis micemis-
as ki ara, manamde yalbdeba...
_ ra Tqma unda, magram faqtebi
mere Cans, anu siebis, ubnebis Tema
Tu sxva detalebi nel-nela grovdeba
da saboloo Sedegs arCevnebis
dRes iZleva. sxvaTa Soris,
ramdenime dRis win sruliad samarcxvino
sasamarTlo sxdoma
gaimarTa.
_ raze?
_ cesko-s zemoxsenebuli normatiuli
aqti gavasaCivreT. marTalia,
kanonSi SaviT TeTrze weria,
rom cesko-s specubnebis Seqmna
mxolod ucxoeTSi SeuZlia, magram
miuxedavad imisa, rom cesko-m
specubnebi saqarTveloSic Seqmna,
mosamarTlem kanonSi arsebuli
Canaweri ver „dainaxa”.
mokled, Zalian samarcxvino
viTarebaa da Tu arCevnebze yvelaferi
es ar SevcvaleT, maSin
didi xniT Zalian Rrma WaobSi CaveflobiT,
romelic dRes arsebul
Camyayebaze uaresi iqneba! „ocnebisgan”
kargs aRaravin elodeba.
yvelasTvis yvelaferi TvalsaCinoa.
„ocnebis” momxreebad is adamianebi
darCnen, romlebic xelisuflebaze
piradi interesebiT
arian mibmulni da ician, rom im
privilegiebs, rac aqvT, sxva xelisuflebis
mosvlis Semdeg ver
SeinarCuneben. amas emateba administraciuli
da finansuri resursebic.
meore mxares ki qarTveli
xalxi dgas, romelsac „ocnebis”
xelisuflebaSi darCena ar unda.
erTi minimaluri logikuri argumentic
ki ar arsebobs, rom rigiTma
amomrCevelma „ocnebas” mxari
dauWiros.
_ vnaxoT, xalxi ra gadaw-
yvetilebas miiRebs... ise, batono
zurab, „enm-Zala erTobaSias”
proporciul siaSi xarT?
_ ara, ar var. cesko-Si warmomadgeneli
var.
_ ucnauria, rom siis miRma
aRmoCndiT...
_ garkveulwilad, Sida SeTanxmebebi
iyo.
_ raze?
_ vin ra pozicias daikavebda.
iqidan gamomdinare, rom arCevneb-
`Cvens infeqcionistebs rom davujeroT,
belarusSi xalxi quCaSi unda eyaros, anu
gamwydariyo, magram am qveyanas saamiso
araferi etyoba. ise, lukaSenkoze SeiZleba,
bevri ram vTqvaT, magram koronis Temas,
`ocnebisgan~ gansxvavebiT, protestantebis
winaaRmdeg ar iyenebs!~
Si gamarjvebisa da sxvadasxva opoziciur
partiasTan erTad koaliciuri
xelisuflebis Camoyalibebis
imedi gvaqvs, interesebs mere
gaviTvaliswinebT.
_ maSasadame, koaliciur mTavrobaSi
SesaZloa, romelime min-
istris savarZeli miiRoT?
_ yvela politikosi parlamentSi
ki ar midis...
_ ise, batono zurab, enm-s
proporciul sias gamarjvebis
siad TvliT?
_ siaze bevri kritika arsebobs
da mec am kritikosebis mxares var,
magram axla mTavari isaa, rom „ocneba”,
romelic qveyanas Slis da
angrevs, xelisuflebidan gavuSvaT.
amis fonze yvelaferi, maT
Soris, siac, meorexarisxovania.
„ocnebas” xelisuflebidan rom gavuSvebT,
siasa da sxva sakiTxebs
mere mivubrundebiT!
_ isic meorexarisxovania, 9-
subieqtian „Zala erTobaSiaSi”
arCevnebis win mxolod xuTi sub-
ieqtiRa rom darCa?
_ es sxva Temaa.
_ anu?
_ rac moxda, logikuric iyo.
politikuri koalicia, sadac 10
subieqtia, isev arsebobs. saarCevno
blokSi ki, saarCevno kanonmdeblobidan
gamomdinare, xuT wevrze
meti mizanSewonili araa. amitomac
igive politikuri partia,
romelsac me warmovadgen, saarCevno
koaliciaSi aRar SeviyvaneT.
_ batono zurab, mgoni, xvdeb-
iT, rom gulubryvilo ar var.
_ diax.
_ hoda, Tu saarCevno blokSi
xuT wevrze metis yofna mizanSe-
wonili araa, aba, 2018 wels, roca
„Zala erTobaSia” Seiqmna, ratom
miiReT sajaro memorandumi da
pirobac dadeT, rom saparlamento
arCevnebSi es mravalsubieq-
tiani gaerTianeba erTiani siiT
gamovidoda?
_ mas mere kanonmdebloba Seicvala.
_ mesmis, magram Secvlil
kanonmdeblobaSi arsad weria,
rom saarCevno blokSi xuT sub-
ieqtze meti ar unda iyos...
_ diax, kanoniT, saarCevno blokis
wevrTa raodenoba gansazRvruli
araa, magram qarTuli kanonmdebloba
iseTia, rom Tu saarCevno
blokSi bevri wevria, TiToeuli
wevri sustdeba. amitom optimaluri
oTx-xuTwevriani saarCevno
blokia. sxvaTa Soris, bolo dros
„ocnebam” kanoni ise Secvala, rom
blokis Sesaqmnelad motivacia naklebia.
swored amitomac wlevandel
arCevnebSi bevri subieqtia,
bloki ki mxolod _ ori, Cveni da
giorgi vaSaZisa da Tamar Carkvianis.
arsebul situaciaSi Cveni
mxridanac garkveuli kompromisi
iyo, rom xuTwevriani saarCevno
bloki SevqmeniT. vimedovneb, am xelisuflebis
Secvlis Semdeg kanonSi
arsebul xarvezebs gavasworebT.
_ batono zurab, marTalia,
darwmunebuli xarT, rom 31 oqtombers
xelisufleba aucile-
blad Seicvleba, magram vTqvaT,
ise moxda, rom „ocnebam” demok-
ratiis yvela wesi Tu piroba
daarRvia da xelisuflebis saTa-
veSi mesamedac darCa, ai, aseT Sem-
TxvevaSi ra moxdeba?
_ gaaCnia, rogor darCeba.
_ kerZod?
_ Tu moigo, problemebiT, magram
mainc darCeba, magram Tu iZalada
da arCevnebi daSinebiT, cematyepiTa
da gayalbebiT moigo, amas,
ra Tqma unda, aravin moiTmens da
amis magaliTebi Zalian bevri gvaqvs.
mokled, protesti iqneba, Tumca
ra formiT da ra masStabiT,
amaze dRes veravin ilaparakebs.
_ e. i., fiqrobT, rom sazogadoeba
igive koronas ar SeuSindeba
da saprotestod quCaSi gam-
ova?
_ korona belarusSicaa, magram
9 agvistodan dRemde, yovel SabaTsa
Tu kviras, 50, 100 an 200-aTasiani
mitingi imarTeba, Tumca ar
gamigia, rom belarusSi korona
maincdamainc afeTqebuliyo.
_ sxvaTa Soris, lukaSenkom
mkacri zomebi arc pirveli tal-
Ris dros gaatara...
_ diax da Cvens infeqcionistebs
rom davujeroT, belarusSi
xalxi quCaSi unda eyaros, anu gamwydariyo,
magram am qveyanas saamiso
araferi etyoba. ise, lukaSenkoze
SeiZleba, bevri ram vTqvaT,
magram koronis Temas, „ocnebisgan”
gansxvavebiT, protestantebis
winaaRmdeg ar iyenebs!
_ gamoricxavT, rom „ocnebam”
pirvel noembers sagangebo mdgo-
mareoba gamoacxados da xalxis
quCaSi gamosvlas xeli ase SeuSa-
los?
_ ar mgonia, saqme aqamde mivides,
Tumca „ocnebas” morali Seawuxebs,
zneoba Tu Wkua dauSlis
an, rogorc ityvian, Tanamdeboba?!
_ erTi sityviT, yvelafris
miuxedavad, optimisturad xarT
ganwyobili da darwmunebuli br-
ZandebiT, rom 31 oqtombers cv-
lilebebi gardauvalia, ara?
_ ra Tqma unda. saerTod, yvelasTvis
cxadia, rom „ocnebam” mTlianad
amowura Tavi da masze
dadebiTs trol-botebis garda,
romlebic „feisbuqSi” bevrni arian,
aRaravin ambobs, Tumca am ganwyobis
saarCevno yuTebSi transformacia
absoluturad sxva Temaa.
31 oqtombers gadamwyveti faqtoric
swored es iqneba.
_ gmadlobT, batoni zurab da
warmatebebs gisurvebT!
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