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N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.
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unda Sewyviton!~
konfliqtze gavlenas ver axdens?
_ erTi Tvea, daga-dugi midis
da gardacvlilTa raodenoba,
putinis naTqvamiT, xuTi
aTass gadascda. somxebi Zalian
cud mdgomareobaSi aRmoCndnen
da erT dResac finansuri, adamianuri
Tu moraluri resursi
azerbaijansac gamoeleva.
sxvaTa Soris, azerbaijans
TurqeTi udgas mxarSi. somxe-
Ti mxolod msoflio sazogadoebriobam
ki ara, ruseTmac
miatova. ruseTisTvis mTavaria,
rom faSiniani moicilos.
amxela saxelmwifo am doneze
rom dava, gaubedurebulia, aba,
meti ra unda vTqva?
sabWoTa kavSiri dedamiwas
azanzarebda _ planetis naxevari
misi iyo, magram ise gaqra,
rogorc SarSandeli Tovli,
anu sakuTar TavTan brZolaSi
damarcxda. ruseTic sakuTar
Tavs zustad iseve ebrZvis. ruseTi,
ubralod, baqibuqobs,
Torem, sinamdvileSi, sakuTar
Tavs ebrZvis. aseTi brZola ki
yovelTvis katastrofiT mTavrdeba.
Jangiani birTvuli raketebi
aqvs, gaisvris da ukan
SeTxrian. amitom verc gaisvris
_ amdeni fuli imitom agrova,
rom bombi isrolos da mTlianad
amobugon?
stalini raRacas rom
akeTebda, Ceqma da kiteli ecva.
is Zalauflebis maniaki iyo,
fulis ki _ ara. misi STamomavlebi
TavSesafrebSi gardaicvalnen.
yovel SemTxvevaSi,
qaliSvili. arc sxvebs ulxinT.
_ mokled, batono kako, ver
mivxvdi, iziarebT Tu ara mosazrebas,
rom somxeT-azer-
baijanis konfliqti kremlis
wafiTilebiT ganaxlda?
_ ra Tqma unda, rusebma waaqezes
da xeli Seuwyves. ruse-
Ti grZnobda, rom azerbaijans
amjerad upiratesoba eqneboda
da axla faSinianis dacemas elodeba.
CvenTanac ZaliT Semoi-
Wrnen da im gadareuli saakaSvilis
damxobis imedi hqondaT,
magram omis dros xalxi Tavis
liders, rogori miuRebelic
`somxeTi mxolod msoflio sazogadoebriobam
ki ara, ruseTmac miatova. ruseTisTvis
mTavaria, rom faSiniani moicilos. amxela
saxelmwifo am doneze rom dava,
gaubedurebulia, aba, meti ra unda vTqva?
sabWoTa kavSiri dedamiwas azanzarebda -
planetis naxevari misi iyo, magram ise gaqra,
rogorc SarSandeli Tovli, anu sakuTar
TavTan brZolaSi damarcxda. ruseTic sakuTar
Tavs zustad iseve ebrZvis~
unda iyos igi, ar aujanydeba,
Torem hitleri moskovs rom
miadga, rusebs stalini unda
daemxoT. roca saqme samSoblos
exeba, xalxi yvelafers iTmens,
ai, mere ki, 2012 wels,
saakaSvils upasuxa _ xelisuflebidan
waabrZana. mokled,
ruseTi somxeTSic elodeba,
rom faSiniani wavides. amasoba-
Si ki mxolod somxeTs ki ara,
azerbaijansac kargavs, region-
Si TurqeTi Zlierdeba da Zneli
misaxvedri araa, ruseTs
samxreT zolSi rac elis.
_ ruseTi Tu dasustdeba,
es, pirvel rigSi, CvenTvis
iqneba kargi... batono kako, ra
amis pasuxia da, Tqveni azriT,
daviTgarejis saqme somxeT-
azerbaijanis ganaxlebul kon-
fliqts, ubralod, daemTxva
Tu yvelaferi ufro didi
politikuri TamaSia?
`dakninebaa, amxela qveynis liderebi imaze rom
kamaToben, es gaubedurebuli ruseTi maT
arCevnebze gavlenas axdens Tu ara. amaze
damamcirebeli ra unda iyos, magram veravin
xvdeba, rom es kretinoba unda Sewyviton!~
_ mgoni, damTxvevaa. yovel
SemTxvevaSi, meeWveba, Cvenebs
erTi TviT adre gamoecnoT,
rom azerbaijani oms apirebda
da amiT azerbaijanTan evaWraT.sxvaTa
Soris, am dokumentebiTac
dasturdeba, rom daviTgareja
Cvenia da yovelTvis
Cveni iqneba!
saerTod, es omi rom Cacxreba,
Cvens orive mezobelTan
sazRvrebis ambavi unda gavarkvioT
da mere megobroba ufro
mWidro iqneba da egeb, erTmaneTTan
movalaparakoT kidec.
_ e. i., „kartografebis saqmeSi”
rusul kvals gamoricx-
avT?
_ ra rusuli kvali?
_ ai, is biznesmeni xidaSeli
pirdapir ambobs, rom rukebis
nawili moskovis arqivSi moi-
pova.
_ arqividan me da Tqvenc amoviRebT.
_ rogor?
_ aseTi tipis arqivebi Riaa.
aris raRacebi, rasac aSS-sa da
inglisSi 50 Tu 100-wliani grifi
adevs xolme, magram rukebis
gasaidumloeba, miT umetes, Cveni
da azerbaijanis, vis edardeba?
ise, ukvriT, bukinistebSi
rukebi rogor iyidao, magram
jer kidev sabWoTa kavSiris
dros, roca yvelaferi kontroldeboda,
bukinistebSi iseT
rames gadavwydomivar, rom gaognebuli
davrCenilvar! es rukebi
ruseTidanac rom iyos, amiT
kremli ras igebs? _ amis gamo
azerbaijans Tavs davesmxebiT
Tu es saqme rogor iqneba?
_ Tavs ar davesxmebiT, ma-
gram Tu miwebi vinmem gayida,
e. i., viRacam iyida, Sesabamisad,
ukanono vaWrobaSi ofi-
cialur baqos brals iribad
vdebT. ase araa?
_ eg ambebi saakaSvilma Camokakla
da mas unda moekiTxos.
_ saakaSvilma ra Camokakla?
_ pirdapir Tqva, rom am saqmis
garemoebebi icis...
saerTod, im kacisgan, romelmac
cxinvalis regionze
Tqva, ra moxda mere, asi sofeli
davkargeTo, yvelaferi es
ra gasakviria? danarCeni ki
Ziebis procesSi gamoCndeba.
_ mokled, batono kako, uSvebT
albaTobas, rom melaS-
vili da iliCeva damnaSaveebi
arian?
_ damnaSave isaa, vinc aseTi
miTiTeba misca.
_ rogori miTiTeba?
_ faqtia, rom dokumentebi
ar uZebniaT!
_ SeiZleba, magram daviT-
garejis saqme „ocnebisTvis”,
rogorc mama kirioni ityoda,
winasaarCevno jokeria, ara?
_ ra Tqma unda. sxvaTa Soris,
saqarTvelosa da azerbaijans
Soris xelSekruleba 1920
wels daido, romlis Tanaxmadac,
sazRvari mtkvris kalapotze
gadioda, magram qarTveli
bolSevikebi aramzadebis xrova
iyo da maTi memkvidreebi
dResac bevrs laparakoben, zogi
saxelisuflebis wreebSicaa
gamZvrali. es Cveni ubedurebaa,
romlisganac sabolood unda
gavTavisufldeT! saingilosa
da alaverdze laparakic aRar
minda. maSin dabadebuli ar
viyavi, Torem erTs mainc rogor
ver movklavdi _ orjonikiZes
an oraxelaSvils an romelime
sxva garewars.
_ dRes vis moklavT, batono
kako?
_ raRa dros mokvlaa _ amaT
ar gadauciaT, yvelaferi imaT
qnes!
_ Tu „kartografebis saqme”
saarCevno jokeri iyo, aman
amomrCevlis
nacionalur
grZnobebze imoqmeda?
_ rasac me vatyob, diax, imoqmeda.
yovel SemTxvevaSi, xalxis
umravlesobas sjera, rom
„nacionalebma” es teritoriebi
Segnebulad gayides, ufro
sworad, ver moaswres, Torem
apirebdnen. mokled, aman xalxis
did raodenobaze gaWra.
_ xalxs dRes miwebi ufro
aRelvebs Tu SimSili da
gazrdili kriminali?
_ zogi ambobs, afxazeTi da
cxinvali, anu teritoriuli
mTlianoba aqtualuri aRaraao,
magram, realurad, es Tema
sameulidan ar gadis, anu umu-
Sevroba da siRaribe, praqtikulad,
erTia. mokled, imis Tqma
minda, rom xalxs samSoblo, sabednierod,
ar aviwydeba. viRacebi
ki amboben, ra dros sam-
Sobloa, roca me Tanamdebobaze
jdoma mindao... xalxi aseTi
rom ar yofiliyo, es qveyana
damoukideblobas ver moipovebda!..
_ erTi sityviT, 31 oqtombers
qarTul politikaSi or-
polusianoba damTavrdeba Tu
isev „nac-qocuri” meinstrim-
iT vicxovrebT?
_ mgonia, rom damTavrdeba.
imas ar vambob, rom „ocneba” an
„nacebi” gaqrebian, magram vi-
Tareba nebismier SemTxvevaSi
Seicvleba.
_ anu, e. w. SuaSisturi par-
tiebi gaaqtiurdebian?
_ parlamentSi gacilebiT
meti partia iqneba.
_ ise, Tu arCevnebi gayalb-
deba, belarusis scenari xom
ar ganmeordeba?
_ ara.
_ ratom?
_ belarusSi gansxvavebuli
tipis xalxia. xom xedavT, liderebic
ki ar arian, magram mosaxleoba
quCaSi mainc gamodis.
tixanovskaia simpaTiuri qalia,
magram ra lideria, kaco?! sxvebi
sazRvargareT gacvivdnen.
sxvaTa Soris, zviad gamsaxurdias
monaniebas rom abraleben,
ar uqnia, magram rac qna,
mxolod imitom, rom ar gaesaxlebinaT,
darCeniliyo da aq
brZola gaegrZelebina...
erTi sityviT, saqarTvelo
belarusi araa, Cveni xalxi ase
ar aurevs da aucilebelic ar
aris! am regionSi aseTi ambavi
CvenTvis damRupveli iqneba,
magram sxva forma moiZebneba.
_ bolos, batono akaki, xal-
xisTvis saTqmeli ra gaqvT?
_ darwmunebuli var, saqar-
TveloSi bevri gonieri adamiania
da mixvdeba, xma vis unda
misces. hoda, imdeni ki mogrovdeba,
rom „tradicionalistebs”
Sansi mogvcen da Cvenc ar
gavawbilebT!
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