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#27 (211), 13-19.VI, 2012 w.<br />
gaxsovT, albaT, cecxli waukides<br />
”artis” sawyobebs da dawves 10 milioni<br />
laris odenobis produqcia.<br />
dRes ar mikvirs, rodesac mesmis,<br />
rom sabaJoze iwveba ”qarTu jgufis”<br />
mier Semotanili satelevizio<br />
aparatura, ar mikvirs isic,<br />
roca gazeT ’’qarTuli ocnebis”<br />
gamavrceleblebs aviwroveben. ra<br />
unda gagikvirdes qveyanaSi, sadac<br />
klaven premier ministrs da am saqmis<br />
gamosaZieblad araferi ar keTdeba,<br />
sadac gvyavs parlamenti, romelsac<br />
premier-ministris mkvlelobis<br />
sakiTxi ar ainteresebs.<br />
kidev mravali SemTxveva gveqneba<br />
”qarTuli ocnebis” mxardamWerebis<br />
da wevrebis daWerisa, iqneba bevri<br />
provokacia...<br />
_ Tu scadeT Tqveni problemis<br />
samarTlebrivi gziT gadawyveta?<br />
_ am teroris Semdeg gasaCivrda<br />
finansuri policiis da msxvili<br />
gadamxdelebis mier SeTxzuli<br />
aqtebi. Cvens saCivars ixilavs davebis<br />
sabWo, romelsac maSindeli<br />
finansTa ministri - nika gilauri<br />
xelmZrvanelobs. samarTlis povnis<br />
aranairi iluzia ar gvqonia, davebis<br />
sabWoze me momeca sityva, sadac<br />
movaxsene baton gilaurs, Tu<br />
ra terori xorcieldeboda qibar<br />
xalvaSisa da ucxoeli investorebis<br />
mier dafuZnebul kompaniebze.man<br />
ganmicxada, rom ar ainteresebda<br />
politika da mTxova,<br />
gangvexila finansuri nawili,<br />
sityva mogvca, rom Tu<br />
marTlebi xarT, ganvixiloT<br />
da gagamarTlebT, Cemze<br />
gavlenas veravin moaxdens<br />
da Tu pirobas ver<br />
Sevasruleb, gadavdgebio.<br />
gilaurma piroba ”Seasrula”<br />
-gadadga, magram gaxda<br />
premier-ministri. im komisiis,<br />
romelmac aqti Segvidgina,<br />
erT-erTma warmomadgenelma,<br />
giorgi fxaka-<br />
Zem ganacxada, rom iyo zewola,<br />
dagvavales aqtis<br />
Sedgena 26 milionze, Cven<br />
pativi geciT da mxolod<br />
16 milionze davwereTo.<br />
bunebrivia, nika gilaurs fxakaZis-<br />
Tvis unda daesva SekiTxva, ramdenad<br />
Seesabameboda es gancxadeba simarTles,<br />
Tumca es kiTxva mas ar<br />
dausvams.<br />
es kaci dRes premier-ministria<br />
da urcxvad laparakobs qveyanaSi<br />
biznesisTvis xelis Sewyobaze, man<br />
piroba ver Seasrula, pasuxi ki<br />
iyo Semdegi: ra vqna, samsaxuri<br />
maqvs pr...i da mec pr...viT viqcevio,<br />
Tumca nika gilauri xelisuflebis<br />
danarCen warmomadgenlebs sjobia,<br />
radgan icis, rasac warmoadgens da<br />
amaze xmamaRla saubrobs. mis am<br />
gancxadebas darbazSi mjdomi 50<br />
adamiani usmenda.sxdoma ramdenjerme<br />
gadaido, 2-3 Tve mimdinareobda.<br />
davebi gagrZelda saqalaqo sasamarTloSi,<br />
mosamarTle gaxldaT<br />
miranda eremaZe, mopasuxeebi: finansTa<br />
saministro, regionuli centri,<br />
Semosavlebis samsaxuri da<br />
msxvili gadamxdelebi, romlebmac<br />
Cvens sarCelze warmoadgines pasuxebi,<br />
oTxive subieqts pasuxi er-<br />
Timeorisagan aqvs gadawerili. sasamarTloze<br />
ver davadgineT, vin<br />
iyo ”azris giganti”.mosamarTlem<br />
gadawera mopasuxeebis pasuxi, igive<br />
ganmeorda saapelacio sasamarTloSi,<br />
uzenaesma sasamarTlom ki<br />
saerTod ar ganixila Cveni sarCeli.<br />
miviReT saocari Sedegi: braldeba<br />
aris erT Temaze, sasamarTlo<br />
gadawyvetileba sruliad sxva Temaze.<br />
amitom, kidev erTxel vimeoreb,<br />
is, rac xdeba dRes biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
mimarT, am xelisuflebisagan<br />
sulac ar aris gasakviri, miT<br />
umetes, rom is dRes nacmoZraobis<br />
ualternativo konkurentia.<br />
_ ra aris umTavresi, rac qar-<br />
Tul sazogadeobaSi yvelaze did<br />
protests iwvevs?<br />
_ dRes nebismier dros nebismier<br />
patruls SeuZlia daakavos<br />
moqalaqe da sasamarTloSi ganacxados,<br />
rom am adamianma dakavebis<br />
dros winaaRmdgoba gauwia. ganaCeni<br />
ki winaswarvea cnobili. am<br />
meTodiT - daumorCileblobis motiviT,<br />
gamarTulia aTi aTasobiT<br />
sasamarTlo procesi. rodesac<br />
irakli alasaniam samegreloSi yofili<br />
damnaSaveebisagan bandebis<br />
Seqmnis Sesaxeb saqmis kursSi Caayena<br />
qveynis uSiSroebis sabWo,<br />
raTa SeewyvitaT aRniSnuli qmedeba,<br />
pasuxad vnaxeT, rom xelisuflebam<br />
isteria atexa - es cru<br />
braldebaa, bandebi ki ara, rezer-<br />
viao. TiTqos arasdros SeeqmnaT<br />
msgavsi bandebi, romlebic awiokebdnen<br />
da aSinebdnen sazogadoebas.<br />
minda SevekiTxo xelisuflebas,<br />
vin iyo is banda, romelic qalaqis<br />
centrSi daesxa Tavs deputat gelaSvils<br />
da sikvdilis piras miiyvana?vin<br />
moitaca aseve deputatti<br />
koba daviTaSvili, scema da Semdeg<br />
goris hospitalSi miiyvana?vin<br />
daesxa Tavs mitingidan saxlisken<br />
momaval biznesmens - laRiZes da<br />
isic Zlivs gadaurCa sikvdils?<br />
kargad gvaxsovs is niRbiani bandebi,<br />
zogi meezovis formebiT, Tavs<br />
rom esxmodnen saxlSi mimaval momitingeebs<br />
da Tav-pirs amtvrevdnen.<br />
sul axlaxan xobis ”qarTuli<br />
ocnebis” ofisis xelmZRvanels<br />
raul qardavas vin daesxa Tavs da<br />
scema sastikad? es faqtebi gamouZiebeli<br />
rCeba, SeiZleba daajarimon<br />
kidec dazaralebuli im motiviT,<br />
rom man moawyo avtosagzao<br />
SemTxveva da Semdeg zurgSi Tavad<br />
irtya xelketebi... am bandebs amxelda<br />
irakli alasania, Cvens<br />
afxaz megobrebs SeuZliaT mSvidad<br />
iyvnen, radgan xelisuflebas es<br />
bandebi mxolod sakuTari xalxis<br />
dasaSineblad sWirdeba.dRevandeli<br />
biujeti aris saakaSvilis piradi<br />
angariSi bankSi, rogorc amas goga<br />
xaindrava ambobs: unda doqtor<br />
dots Camoiyvans, unda sasaxles<br />
aiSenebs, unda bebias amogzaurebs<br />
samTavrobo delegaciasTan erTad,<br />
an ZviradRirebul xids aaSenebs<br />
iq, sadac xidi saWiro ar aris, an<br />
rkinigzas gaiyvans...<br />
vfiqrob, rom prezidentma<br />
sityva aRmSenebloba ar icis, aRm-<br />
Senebloba upirvelesad teritoriebs<br />
niSnavs, Semdeg ekonomikur da<br />
politikur siZlieres, ai, mere<br />
modis ukve Sadrevnebis, gzebis da<br />
sastumroebis mSenebloba. magram<br />
prezidentma igrZno ra Tavi aRm-<br />
Seneblad, asmilioniani TviTmfrinavi<br />
epatarava da orasmilioniani<br />
boingi SeukveTa.. Cveni megobari<br />
saCvenebeli demokratiis qveynebis<br />
- latviis, litvis, estoneTis biujeti<br />
3—40 milion evros Seadgens,<br />
es daaxloebiT 10-14-jer metia<br />
saqarTvelos biujetze, magram<br />
am qveynebis prezidentebs arc<br />
TviTmfrinavebi SeuZeniaT da arc<br />
sasaxleebi uSenebiaT.<br />
xSirad Cvens xelisuflebas<br />
da mis daqvemdebarebaSi myof Jurnalistebs<br />
xmaliviT uWiravT xadarkovskis<br />
saqme. ra Tqma unda, is<br />
putinis piradi patimaria, putini<br />
Cveni qveynis mteria, magram am<br />
qveyanaze yvelaferi fardobiTia.<br />
vTavazob saxelisuflebo medias<br />
Temas: romeli ufro didi borotebaa<br />
- putini rusuli biznesisa<br />
da xodorkovskisaTvis Tu saakaSvili<br />
qarTuli biznesisa da qibar<br />
xalvaSisaTvis, romlis kompaniebis<br />
darbeva- ganadgurebaSi 220<br />
kaci monawileobda, msxvili gadamxdelebi,<br />
finansTa saministro,<br />
davebis sabWo, finansuri policia,<br />
gamomZieblebi,prokurorebi,<br />
mosamarTleebi. albaT, male dadgeba<br />
is dRe, rodesac qveyanaSi<br />
gveqneba Tavisufali sasamar-<br />
Tlo da yvela damnaSave warsdgeba<br />
mis winaSe. darwmunebuli<br />
var, es adamianebi arCevanSi<br />
rom Tavisuflebi yofiliyvnen,<br />
danaSauls ar Caidendnen.<br />
amdeni adamiani damnaSaved<br />
erTma kacma aqcia.<br />
rom ar yofiliyo safrange-<br />
Tis yofili elCi erik furnie,<br />
misi moadgile barani,<br />
germaniis elCi patricia<br />
flori, qibar xalvaSi dRes<br />
kidev erTi politikuri patimari<br />
iqneboda.<br />
ai, am umZimes fonze gamoCnda<br />
adamiani, didi biznesidan,<br />
romelic Riad daupirispirda<br />
qveyanaSi gamefebul<br />
usamarTlobas. piradad ar vicnob<br />
mas, magram ’’qarTuli xmebis” biWebisgan<br />
bevri ram vici. misi principi<br />
iyo, ar gakareboda politikas,<br />
magram xelisuflebis aRviraxsnili<br />
qmedebebis gamo man igr-<br />
Zno valdebuleba, rom mieRo es<br />
gadawyvetileba. madloba mas amis-<br />
Tvis, imisTvisac, rom qveyanas daubrunda<br />
imedi, rom aRsdgeba samarTali,<br />
daculi iqneba adamianis<br />
uflebebi, janmrTeloba, Seiqmneba<br />
namdvili biznes garemo, samuSao<br />
adgilebi da qarTvelebs aRar das-<br />
WirdebaT ucxo qveynis sazRvrebis<br />
gadalaxva samuSaos mosaZebnad.<br />
me vnaxe 27 maiss imedCasaxuli<br />
qarTvelebi. es imedi gadaedo<br />
quTaiss. vici, rom baton biZinas<br />
mZime dReebi elis, Zalian didi<br />
samuSao aqvs win, misi mowinaaRmdege<br />
xom is xalxia, romelmac 7<br />
noemberi da 26 maisi moawyo. magram<br />
qarTveli xalxma ukve gaakeTa<br />
Tavisi arCevani da am arCevans oqtomberSi<br />
miscems oficialur saxes.<br />
nino fircxalava<br />
saerTo gazeTi<br />
Rirda ki, batono<br />
prezidento, Cemi<br />
ganTavisufleba?<br />
gareT cixeSi ar var?<br />
2012 wlis 30 maiss, gazeT<br />
<strong>`saerTo</strong> gazeT~-Si wavikiTxe yofili<br />
patimris, Jurnalist nana<br />
sulavas statia patimar qalebze.<br />
did madlobas vuxdi aseTi gabeduli<br />
sityvisTvis, man gare samyaros<br />
amcno iq dadgmuli scenaris Sesaxeb,<br />
rasac `bunti~ hqvia.<br />
qalTa #5 sapyrobileSi, mar-<br />
Tlacda Zalian bevri Rirseuli<br />
qalbatoni ixdis daumsaxureblad<br />
sasjels. arian iseTebic, vinc<br />
Rirsia iq yofnis, magram qali mainc<br />
qalia da iseTi gausaZlisi pirobebi,<br />
rogorSic isini sasjels<br />
ixdian, yovlad miuRebelia. gulistkiviliT<br />
vixseneb iq gatarebul<br />
TiToeul dRes vinc yofili<br />
patimari, yofili pedagogi qali,<br />
mTeli Segnebuli cxovreba vemsaxure<br />
ganaTlebas, sxvisi Svilebis<br />
aRzrdas, xolo Cemi meuRlis gardacvalebis<br />
Semdeg marCenaldakargulma<br />
dedam ojaxis fizikurad<br />
gadarCenisa da sakuTari Svilis<br />
aRzrdisaTvis, xeli movkide bizness,<br />
romelic CemTvis binZuri da<br />
damRupveli aRmoCnda. momesaja 3<br />
wliT Tavisuflebis aRkveTa, batonma<br />
jalaTma 5 weli<br />
moindoma (is Cems<br />
TvalSi jalaTia), magram<br />
mosamarTlem moridebulad<br />
da mowiwebiT<br />
Seaxsena, rom Cems mimarT<br />
Zalian mkacri<br />
iyo sasjeli. mosamar-<br />
Tle gaxldaT lela<br />
Skubuliani. prokuratura<br />
marto Cems mimarT<br />
ar aris daundobeli.<br />
maT mier xelisuflebis<br />
davalebiT<br />
da xelSewyobiT qveyanaSi<br />
xelovnuri genocidia.<br />
axalgazrda sajiSe<br />
qal-vaJebi cixeebSi<br />
lpebian. `wlebs~<br />
flaviviT arigeben da ar fiqroben,<br />
Tu rogor angreven ojaxebs,<br />
rogor aSoreben srulwlovan Tu<br />
arasrulwlovan Svilebs dedeb-<br />
Tan, rogor amcireben, Rirsebas<br />
arTmeven Tavmoyvare qmrebs Tavian-<br />
Ti meuRleebis cixeSi gamomwyvdeviT.<br />
amaze sakmaod bevri daiwera<br />
da me verafers davamatebdi, magram<br />
mikvirs Cveni mTavrobisa, imis magivrad,<br />
rom Tavis xalxze, patimrebze<br />
zrunavdes, piriqiT, cixeebi<br />
da patimrebi biznesad aqcia. isini<br />
saxelmwifo biujets avseben patimrebis<br />
saproceso garigebis<br />
xarjze, xelisufleba civsisxliani<br />
prokurorebis da maTi zedamxedvelobiT<br />
daSinebuli sasamarTlos<br />
saxiT awarmoebs erTobliv<br />
mafias da am yvelaferze Tvals<br />
vxuWavT, rodemde? rodemde unda<br />
dagvapatimron, cocxlad mkvdrebs<br />
dagvamsgavson da sulSi Cagvafur-<br />
Txon.<br />
sasjels vixdidi qalTa #5<br />
sapyrobileSi, Cemi dapatimrebidan<br />
erTi wlisa da 10 Tvis mere prezidentis<br />
piradi gankargulebiT<br />
ganvTavisufldi. mas Semdeg gavida<br />
xuTi weli, batono prezidento,<br />
minda mogmarToT SekiTxviT, umjobesi<br />
xom ar aris, gankarguleba manamde<br />
gasceT, sanam tyuilubralod<br />
xalxs cixeebSi Cayris Tqveni<br />
xelqveiTi prokuratura, sanam<br />
ise ganusjelad yvelas erT tafa-<br />
Si dawvavdnen, gaamwarebdnen da<br />
sikvdils ar moanatrebdnen? me,<br />
magaliTad, daWeris dRidan sikvdili<br />
mqonda misjili da ara sami<br />
weli, am sam weliwadSi ra moxdeboda<br />
aravin icis. Svili mozardi,<br />
17 wlis biWi, romelsac mama miwa-<br />
Si hyavda da deda cixeSi daumwyvdies.<br />
sanam gzas daadgeboda imasac<br />
cixeSi damilpobdnen an momik-<br />
lavdnen, xom ar jobda imis gankarguleba<br />
gasceT, rom xalxi bankebis,<br />
sagadasaxadoebis, Tu kerZo<br />
mevaxSeebis valebiT ar daaxrCon<br />
da ukve damxrCvlebs kidev cixeSi<br />
ar yridnen. Cemi ganTavisufleba<br />
Tqveni piradi gankargulebiT, im<br />
qarTul andazas magonebs, dedaberi<br />
rom gaaupatiures da mere karebi<br />
magrad Cauketes, gekiTxebiT,<br />
ratom miiReT ukanonod is kanoni,<br />
rom `yvelani cixeSi~ unda gyolodaT<br />
es faqti gana ar metyvelebs<br />
imaze, batono prezidento,<br />
rom Tqven Tqveni qveyana da Tqveni<br />
xalxi ar giyvarT, garda im er-<br />
Teuli, Tqvengan gadidgulebuli<br />
Cinovnikebisa da garemocvisa, batono<br />
prezidento, xuTi weli gavida<br />
Cemi cixidan ganTavisuflebidan<br />
da xuTi wuTi ar damviwyebia,<br />
iq nanaxi simware ar damaviwydeba<br />
im ayrolebul `kapezeSi~ gatarebuli<br />
erTi mZime da TeTradgaTenebuli<br />
Rame, ar damaviwydeba, rogor<br />
wamogvyridnen loginebidan da<br />
naxevrad SiSvlebs barakebidan gareT<br />
gverekebodnen. Cqara Smonia-o<br />
da visTan ras eZebdnen iq xom ad-<br />
ministraciis gareSe Citic ver<br />
Sefrindeba, TviTon ar ician, vis<br />
Seutanes is telefonebi? ver Camovirecxe<br />
is Savi laqa, rasac nacixari<br />
hqvia, salami rom vinmes<br />
davugviano, maSinac ki vgrZnob<br />
rom am frazas wamomaZaxeben, Semaxseneben,<br />
raTa ar damaviwydes<br />
rom nacixari var. Rirda ki batono<br />
prezidento Cemi ganTavisufleba?<br />
gareT cixeSi ara var? mec da<br />
TiTqmis sruliad saqarTvelo? axla<br />
aRar mainteresebs, Tu ramdenjer<br />
damiWerT da gamiSvebT isic<br />
mikvirs, an ratom damiWireT, an<br />
ratom gamanTavisufleT, me aRar<br />
vcem Tqvens idealebs pativs, mas<br />
xalxis tanjva-wamebis da Seuracxyofis<br />
meti araferi moaqvs,<br />
Tqveni idealebi mxolod Tqvens<br />
mier gaTamamebuli da gaqsuebuli<br />
Cinovnikebia, mxolod isini gyavT<br />
uzrunvelyofilni xelfasiT, binebiT,<br />
biznesiT, manqanebiT, sxva danarCeni<br />
TqvenTvis daqiravebuli<br />
monebi arian. amitomac vocnebob,<br />
Cqara auxdes saqarTveloSi macxovrebel<br />
xalxs ocneba, Sewydes<br />
adamianebisa umowyalod devna,<br />
Sewydes patimrebis biznesi da<br />
vicxovroT Tavisufal, Tqvengan<br />
Tavisufal, saqarTveloSi, socialurad<br />
daculi iyos adamianis uflebebi,<br />
ar vixdide wylis da nagvis<br />
begaras, roca wyals miaqvs saqarTvelo<br />
Tavisi geografiuli<br />
mdebareobiT, mdinareebiT da Tu<br />
ase mogwonT cixe Tqven mogaxmaroT<br />
ufalma mSvidobaSi, Tumca<br />
Tqvenc mecodebiT saimisod.<br />
mecodebiT, radgan Tqven siyvaruli<br />
ar iciT da Tqvenc veravin<br />
SegiyvarebT.<br />
RmerTo uSvele Cvens qveyanas.<br />
yofili patimari<br />
mzia uzunaSvili<br />
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