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8 saerTo gazeTi #27 (211), 13-19.VI, 2012 w.<br />

fragmentebi ekaterine xvedeliZis interviudan<br />

(gadacema `Cven~, wamyvani Tamar Ciqovani)<br />

ekaterine xveeliZe:<br />

pirvelad vmonawileobdi aqcia-<br />

Si, radgan 91 wlidan saqarTveloSi<br />

ar vcxovrobdi. xolo 9<br />

aprilis aqciebis dros region-<br />

Si viyavi, skolaSi vswavlobdi<br />

da Sesabamisad, aqciebze aravin<br />

gamomiSvebda. 27 maisi gansakuTrebiT<br />

damamaxsovrda, radgan<br />

iyo Zalian Tbili, emociuri<br />

dRe, igrZnoboda Zalian didi<br />

muxti. Tavidan cotaTi vnerviulobdi.<br />

biZina darwmunebuli<br />

iyo, rom xalxi movidoda, magram,<br />

roca diliT saxlidan<br />

gadmovxedeT Tvisuflebis moedans<br />

da ver vnaxeT bevri xalxi,<br />

cota avnerviuldiT. magram<br />

Semdeg yovelgvar molodins gadaaWarba,<br />

Zalian emociuri dRe<br />

iyo.<br />

rac Seexeba ojaxis wevrebis<br />

CarTulobas politikaSi,<br />

Cven rom Jaklin kenedisnair<br />

qveyanaSi vcxovrobdeT, garwmunebT,<br />

aranairi survili ar gamoCndeboda<br />

politikaSi CarTvis.<br />

amis survili arc biZinas<br />

gaaCnda da miT ufro, me! magram<br />

es ar modis Cveni survilidan,<br />

es modis valdebulebis grZnobidan.<br />

ra Tqma unda, biZinas<br />

politikaSi Semosvla iyo sakmaod<br />

mniSvnelovani nabiji Cveni<br />

ojaxisTvis. Zalian bevri vifiqreT,<br />

kamaTic gvqonda, radgan<br />

arsebobda safrTxe, rasac<br />

vgrZnobdiT, biZina ki gansakuTrebiT,<br />

radgan kargad icnobs am<br />

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebs<br />

da icis, raze arian wamsvlelebi.<br />

amitom Zalian bevri emocia<br />

daixarja manamde, vidre am nabijs<br />

gadavdgamdiT. axlac 27<br />

maisma es situacia ufro naTlad<br />

gamoaCina. Tu manamde ar<br />

arsebobda imis safrTxe, rom<br />

SeiZleba raRac momxdariyo, 27<br />

maisis muxtma yvelas daanaxa,<br />

ra ganwyoba aris xalxSi, rogori<br />

survili aqvs saqarTvelos<br />

mosaxleobas da Sesabamisad,<br />

safrTxec gaizarda. Tundac<br />

batoni komaxiZe rasac ambobda,<br />

Tu Cven es gacnobierebuli<br />

gvqonda manamde, 27 maisis<br />

mere es safrTxe realuari gaxda.<br />

aqedan gamomdinare, 10 ivniss<br />

me quTaisSi ar viqnebi,<br />

radgan Tu RmerTma ar qnas da<br />

biZinam ver ganagrZo Tavisi politikuri<br />

moRvaweoba, maSin me<br />

vitvirTeb da me gavagrZeleb.<br />

amitom Cveni erTad yofna aRar<br />

aris sasurveli. mgoni, yvela<br />

kargad xedavs, rom es safrTxe<br />

Zalian seriozulia, radgan 27<br />

maisma am mTavrobas kargad daa-<br />

naxa xalxis ganwyoba. es ar iyo<br />

mxolod xalxis raodenobaze<br />

damokidebuli. mniSvneloba ara<br />

aqvs, vin ramden raodenobas daasaxelebs;<br />

Cven, yvela iq mdgomma,<br />

kargad davinaxeT, Tu ra Zala<br />

varT, ramdeni varT, ra SegviZlia.<br />

Sesabamisad, es mTavrobamac<br />

dainaxa. dainaxa, rom procesi<br />

gardauvalia, rac ar unda<br />

gaakeTon, procesi aRar SeCerdeba<br />

da Sesabamisad, maqsimalurad<br />

moindomeben liderisTvis<br />

xelis SeSlas.<br />

es marTlac seriozuli<br />

safrTxea, magram ar vnanob,<br />

radgan emociebi daixarja manam,<br />

vidre biZina gancxadebas gaake-<br />

Tebda. am safrTxes yvela kargad<br />

vxedavdiT, magram utas politikuri<br />

ambiciebi aqvs, Sesa-<br />

bamisad ar isvenebda, ar Cerdeboda,<br />

da Zalian kargsac Sveboda.<br />

dResac agrZelebs uta politikis<br />

ganxriT muSaobas da<br />

didi survili aqvs, momavalSi<br />

politikaSi naxos Tavis adgili.<br />

magram, miuxedavad yovelive<br />

amisa, emociurad marTlac<br />

Zalian Znelia elodo safr-<br />

Txes, ubralod, ar minda, yoveldRe<br />

amaze fiqri. axla TiTqos<br />

Tavisuflad vsaubrob, magram<br />

es imis Sedegad, rom vcdilob<br />

emocias ar avyve, Tumca<br />

saSiSroeba marTlac Zalian didia.<br />

ra Tqma unda, am nabijis<br />

Semdeg Cemi Tavisufleba SeizRuda.<br />

iqidan gamomdinare,<br />

rom sajarooba Zalian ar miyvars,<br />

ojaxis wevrebisTvis<br />

mniSvnelovnad Seicvala cxovreba.<br />

amas ver vityvi beraze,<br />

mas sajarooba Zalian xiblavs.<br />

marTalia, davkargeT garkveuli<br />

Tavisufleba, magram es yvelaferi<br />

gamomdinareobs valdebulebis<br />

grZnobidan. ar minda Zalian<br />

xmamaRali sityvebi vTqva,<br />

magram biZinam es nabiji gadadga<br />

Segnebulad, gaazrebulad,<br />

radgan gadawvita, rom gaakeTos<br />

is, risi valdebulic aris -<br />

daexmaros Tavis qveyanas, daexmaros<br />

Cveni Svilebis momavals!<br />

Sesabamisad aq aRar aris imaze<br />

fiqris dro, ramdenad SeizRuda<br />

Cveni Tavisufleba, ramdenad<br />

davkargeT komforti da a.S.<br />

metsac getyviT, me imdenad ganebivrebuli<br />

viyavi, radgan biZinas<br />

da Cemi ufrosi vaJebis -<br />

utas da beras saxiT imdenad<br />

Zlieri mamakacebi medgnen gverdiT,<br />

rom SemeZlo, mecxovra,<br />

rogorc mindoda, mekeTebina,<br />

risi survilic mqonda. sakmaod<br />

Tvisufali da daculi cxovreba<br />

mqonda. dRes ki situacia<br />

Seicvala da Sesabamisad,<br />

mTeli ojaxis<br />

cxovreba Seicvala,<br />

ara marto biZinasi<br />

da mec Semecvala<br />

ganwyoba. amitom<br />

mzad var yvelafrisTvis.<br />

zurgSi vudgavar<br />

biZinas, imedia,<br />

rom Cemi mxarda-<br />

Wera, Cemi pirovnebis<br />

politikaSi mosvla<br />

saWiro ar gaxdeba, magram<br />

me yvelafrisTvis<br />

mzad var!<br />

gacnobis pirveli dRidanve<br />

arasodes migrZvnia Cvens Soris<br />

arsebuli asakobrivi zRvari.<br />

radgan biZinas aqvs saocari xasiaTi,<br />

Zalian uyvars iumori,<br />

mudmivad xumrobs, da nebismier<br />

adamainTan xdeba misi asakis. magaliTad<br />

cotne darwmunebulia,<br />

rom arafriT ar gansxvavdeba<br />

mamamisi misi asakisagan. am<br />

mxriv Zalian msubuqi pirovnebaa,<br />

arasodes ar aqvs depresiuli<br />

ganwyoba; arasodes mosula<br />

saxlSi im ganwyobiT - axla daviRale<br />

da momasveneT. yovelTvis<br />

xumrobs, laRia, bednieria<br />

da ra problemebic ar unda<br />

hqondes,is rCeba saxls gareT.<br />

ase rom ojaxSi misi problemebi<br />

arasodes gvigrZvnia. piriqiT,<br />

zogjer ise celqobs da<br />

xumrobs, rom Cemi Tavi gacilebiT<br />

ufrosi mgonia, vaCereb da<br />

amaze biWebi kvdebian siciliT.<br />

me vfiqrob, rom Zalian kargi<br />

iqneba, Tu meti qalbatoni<br />

aRmoCndeba politikaSi. mgoni,<br />

eqvTime TayaiSvili werda, rom<br />

qali yovelTvis iyo sazogadoebis<br />

gamaerTianebelio. qarTvel<br />

qals gansakuTrebuli datvirTva<br />

aqvs da ojaxSi Zalian did<br />

rols TamaSobs. mamakacebi amayad<br />

amboben, rom ojaxis ufrosebi<br />

arian, sinamdvileSi ki qalia<br />

ojaxis RerZi. man kargad<br />

icis, rogor marTos mamakaci,<br />

Svilebi; rogor agrZnobinos<br />

Tavi, rom isini arian liderebi.<br />

Sesabamisad, aseTi strategiis<br />

mqone qalbatonebi politikisTvis<br />

Zalian gamosadegebi<br />

arian da ratomac ara! Cemis azriT,<br />

qalTa nakleboba politikaSi<br />

gamowveuli iyo ufro Sida<br />

problemebiT, imiT, rom bevri<br />

adamiania gasuli qveynidan,<br />

vinc ki SeZlo, Seecada sazRvargareT<br />

moeZebna samuSao adgi-<br />

li. da rodesac ekonomiurd<br />

giWirs, dakavebuli xar imis<br />

fiqriT, xval ra aWamo Svilebs,<br />

rogro umkurnalo, am<br />

dros Znelia dakavde politikiT.<br />

ase, rom, ZiriTadad, ekonomiurad<br />

Zlieri qveynebisTvis<br />

aris damaxasiaTebeli politikaSi<br />

bevri qalbatonis moRvaweoba.<br />

me imedi maqvs, rom male<br />

saqarTvelo ise gaZlierdeba,<br />

rom qalbatonebi aqac daiWeren<br />

TavianT adgils politikaSi. me<br />

vfiqrob, rom biZina, radgan Tavad<br />

ar aris agresiuli, SeZlebs<br />

da Secvlis mamakaci politikosebis<br />

agresiul imijs.<br />

rac Seexeba dapirebebs, mar-<br />

Tla miWirs gaxseneba, Tu odesme<br />

rames dampirda, aseTi ram ar<br />

yofila, imitom rom ki ar<br />

gpirdeba, akeTebs. magaliTad,<br />

biZinas xasiaTSi ar zis dabadebis<br />

dRe an raime dResaswauli<br />

mogilocos gansakuTrebulad,<br />

radgan Tvlis, rom yoveli dRe<br />

bednieri unda iyos. SeiZleba<br />

daiviwyos dabadebis dRe, magram<br />

nebismier sxva dRes iseTi saCuqari,<br />

siurprizi gagikeTos, rom<br />

gagaocos. dapirebis micema xom<br />

Zalian didi pasuxismgeblobaa!<br />

isev davubrundebi 27 maisi<br />

Temas, marTlac Zalian bednierebi<br />

viyaviT am dRes, magram es<br />

xom amasTan udidesi pasuxismgeblobaa!<br />

biZina mTeli saRamo<br />

am azriT iyo dakavebuli, ramxela<br />

ndoba maCvena xalxma, ramxela<br />

pasuxismgebloba damekisrao.<br />

amas manamdec acnobierebda,<br />

magram 27 maisis mere, es Zalian<br />

aSkara gaxda. erT magaliTs<br />

mogiyvanT, Cemma megobarma, romelic<br />

monawileobas iRebda<br />

msvlelobaSi, maCvena telefoniT<br />

gadaRebuli videofragmenti,<br />

erT asakovan qalbatons<br />

aqciis dros fexsacmelze qusli<br />

moZvra, Svili Txovda, wa-<br />

videTo, qalma ki fexze gaixada<br />

da ise ganagrZo gza. amas rom<br />

adamiani gaakeTebs, rogor SeiZleba<br />

pasuxismgeblobis grZnoba<br />

aTjer da asjer ar gaizardos,<br />

Tundac marto am qalbatonis<br />

winaSe?! da iq<br />

ramdeni adamiani iyo<br />

mosuli?! asakovnebic<br />

da axalgazrdebic,<br />

rac Zalian kargia.<br />

es xom maTi momavalia.<br />

Tundac is, rom<br />

bera ase exmareba mamas<br />

da gverdiT udgas, me Zalian<br />

momwons. axalgazrdebma<br />

unda Seqmnan es qveyana,<br />

moiTxovon, ganacxadon<br />

pretenzia im qveyanaze, rogor<br />

qveyanaSic surT cxovreba.<br />

Sesabamisad, mSoblebis gverdiT<br />

aucileblad unda idgnen<br />

axalgazrdebi.<br />

biZinas pirvelive gancxadebaSi<br />

iyo naTqvami, rom mas<br />

surs, sazogadoeba gaZlierdes<br />

da darwmunebuli var, amas bi-<br />

Zina aucileblad ganaxorcielebs.<br />

biZinas ar aqvs is ambicia,<br />

rac axasiaTebs sxva politikosebs,<br />

romelTac erTxel airCeven<br />

da hgoniaT, rom amiT mudmivad<br />

unda iyvnen xelisufleba-<br />

Si. amitomac acxadebs igi, rom<br />

ori-sami wlis Semdeg msurs<br />

wasvla, magram minda Cavdge sazogadoebis<br />

samsaxurSi, gavaZliero<br />

sazogadoebrivi seqtori,<br />

raTa yvelam gaigos, rom<br />

Cven unda vmarToT mTavroba,<br />

Cven unda movTxovoT pasuxi da<br />

ar mivceT imis gakeTebis ufleba,<br />

rasac akeTeben dRes. radgan<br />

garkveulwilad es Cveni damsaxurebac<br />

aris, rac dRes xdeba.<br />

vfiqrob, rom am ocwlianma istoriam<br />

qarTvelebs es kargad<br />

dagvanaxa da mgonia, rom biZinas<br />

gareSec sazogadoeba aRar moiTmens,<br />

moiTxovs imas, risi uflebac<br />

aqvs.<br />

rac Seexxeba biZinas pirvel<br />

werils, me marto mbeWdavi namdvilad<br />

ar vyofilvar, monawileobas<br />

viRebdi, ra Tqma unda,<br />

ara dids, magram Cemi ideebi da<br />

mosazrebebi gamaCnda da vcdi-<br />

lobdi, es ideebic moxvedriliyo<br />

am werilSi. biZinas aqvs<br />

araCveulebrivi Tviseba. rodesac<br />

jer kidev moskovSi vcxovrobdiT<br />

da is biznesiT iyo dakavebuli,<br />

me ar vereodi mis<br />

biznesSi arasodes,magram saqmis<br />

kursSi yovelTvis viyavi. saRamoobiT<br />

yovelTvis miyveboda,<br />

sad ra da rogor xdeboda. iyo<br />

raRac momentebi, roca saWiro<br />

iyo Cemi Careva da me im saqmes<br />

vakeTebdi. cotas davitrabaxeb

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