started <strong>to</strong> fly again, there was a new center in Braunschweig.There I built my own wind tunnels. I came <strong>to</strong> ) von Braun. We Germans talked <strong>to</strong> each other so that wetunnels, but rocketry, <strong>to</strong>o. It was then that I got <strong>to</strong> knowBraunschweig in 1936. Then I had a really different, transsonickind of a tunnel, with a very large diameter, <strong>and</strong> a ment. When they had experience, they <strong>to</strong>ld me about it,didn't spend a million reichsmarks on the same experi-supersonic tunnel with a small cross section. And I also ) <strong>and</strong> when we wanted a new experiment, we <strong>to</strong>ld eachhad a rocket test facility in the country. It was in the ! other. Of course, it is sometimes very good for twocountry, because a lot of people who invented rockets 5 different people <strong>to</strong> test the same thing. But we were notdied from the explosions; therefore, we couldn't build in i supposed <strong>to</strong> do that.the neighborhood of the <strong>to</strong>wn. But I had <strong>to</strong> go there a Icouple of times every month <strong>to</strong> see what they were doing. Question: What was the motivation for the research youTherefore, my problem was at that time not only wind i did on self-similar solutions in spherical geometry?Busemann's design of a conical focus for shock waveswas published in 1942 in Luftfarhrtforschung (vol. 79, p.737), the same journal that published K. Guderley'sfamous paper on self-similar solutions <strong>to</strong> the focusingof shock waves in a spherical geometry. Two of theview-graphs used in Busemann's secret 1940 talk onshaped charges are reproduced in a <strong>and</strong> b. Busemannreports that the initial motivation for these focusingFigure 2CONICAL FOCUSING OF SHOCK WAVESideas came from the conception of a dimensionalconstraint on the propagation of shock waves. Thus, ahighly symmetrical geometry is chosen, such as asphere, cylinder, or cone. The cone <strong>and</strong> sphere sharethe property of having a zero-dimensional focus (apoint), as opposed <strong>to</strong> the cylinder with a line focus.The result in practical terms is a technique for thegeneration of almost unlimited pressures at the focus.Some of the geometrical considerations in the reflection,interference, <strong>and</strong> concentration of shock wavesare shown in a <strong>and</strong> b. These flows are all steady, but itis possible <strong>to</strong> generalize these techniques if the numberof space dimensions is reduced by one, <strong>and</strong> then <strong>to</strong>treat nonsteady flows. Busemann notes that his firstnonsteady solutions, which are important in aerodynamics,were just adaptations of the conical supersonicsolutions.<strong>Laser</strong> fusion research <strong>to</strong>day uses this idea <strong>to</strong> generatethe pressures <strong>and</strong> temperatures necessary for ignitionin a spherical target. The figure on page 29 shows aspherical compression scheme used at Lawrence LivermoreNational Labora<strong>to</strong>ry for laser-compressed fusionfuel, using the geometry of Guderley.The conical geometry proposed by Busemann hasbeen extensively investigated in the Soviet Union, <strong>and</strong>has resulted in the first fusion reactions produced byan electron beam (by Leonid Rudakov in 1976) <strong>and</strong> bychemical explosives (by a Polish group under the directionof General Kaliski). The theoretical work on theSoviet conical pellet design appeared in a paper by V.A. Belokogne in 1965 (see c). The Polish configurationis shown in d.38 FUSION Oc<strong>to</strong>ber-November 1981
The similar solution was, I had no more than twodimensions.Question: But did this come out of research for explosivedesign, or for jet engines? I am thinking of the paper byGuderley, for example, that appeared at the same time asyour paper in the Luftfahrtforschung on cylindrical focus?Zylindrische Verdichtungschicht, Yes, sometimes wehad real vortices; sometimes we had questions in ourwind tunnel—there was not an underst<strong>and</strong>able way ofhow the flow went around certain bodies we put in there.Sometimes we had people during the war who wanted <strong>to</strong>build a new kind of airplane for the Germans, <strong>and</strong> thenwe had real problems. They were, of course, secret, <strong>and</strong>we couldn't talk about them. But they needed our windtunnels, because they did not have wind tunnels for allspeeds in their own fac<strong>to</strong>ries. And then they came <strong>to</strong> us.Guderley was very good at applied mathematics. I talked<strong>to</strong> him, <strong>and</strong> I could use him for a lot of problems. I wasmore in mechanical engineering work than elasticity.When I earned my doc<strong>to</strong>r's degree <strong>and</strong> came <strong>to</strong> Pr<strong>and</strong>tl,I learned <strong>to</strong> have ideas about the flows, so that I had it inmy head <strong>and</strong> didn't need wind tunnels for everything. Inthat way, I learned <strong>to</strong> construct them; but, of course, youcannot construct wind tunnels in three or four dimensionson your drawing board. Therefore, it was a little bi<strong>to</strong>versimplified when we did it in two dimensions. But wehad ideas about what would happen at the end of theairplane, when the air can go around it instead of theother way. Then there were the vortices that Pr<strong>and</strong>tlneeded in order <strong>to</strong> explain the drag related <strong>to</strong> the lift.Question: There's a lot of work that was done on thefocusing of shock waves—cylindrical spherical focusing.What was that directed <strong>to</strong>ward? In fusion research, this isreally the key problem. Can you concentrate the compressionfrom a shock wave? Can you use reflections <strong>to</strong> amplifyit? Can you bring it down <strong>to</strong> a point? And that work wasalready going on in the 1940s in Germany. To me, that'sfascinating, because the basic problem <strong>to</strong>day was researched25 or 30 years ago in tremendous detail.At that time our idea was more <strong>to</strong> get rid of strongshocks, not <strong>to</strong> make them stronger. It was only my conethat couldn't help but <strong>to</strong> get stronger <strong>and</strong> stronger all thetime.Question: But nobody looked at that for compressionresearch?We sometimes were interested in finding out howdifficult it is <strong>to</strong> live with these detached strong shocks, <strong>to</strong>see whether <strong>to</strong> make a wedge or something. We wanted<strong>to</strong> know whether that really helps <strong>to</strong> reduce the drag, orwhether these things have a boundary layer separation asa part of what happens there, <strong>to</strong>o, so that the drag looksmuch higher than it really should be by itself. We did alot of things in our workplaces with just mathematics <strong>and</strong>thinking, but when there was a problem that really had <strong>to</strong>be solved, we could get enough money <strong>to</strong> put it in thewind tunnel. That was usually a little bit more expensive.On the other h<strong>and</strong>, when anybody didn't have a problem<strong>to</strong> work on, he would be drafted.Question: Did anybody think at that time of somethinglike a fusion reaction—of using the very high densities ofhigh temperatures that these focused shock waves couldgenerate?Not for fusion, but we thought about making the explosionsa little more concentrated, so that when somebodyhad a big shield, any bullet would make a big hole in it.But, of course, every day it was different, <strong>and</strong> therecould be a change. If anybody who worked on theseproblems was not important anymore, he would have <strong>to</strong>go <strong>to</strong> the war. And then we would have <strong>to</strong> change oursubject <strong>to</strong> something that Hitler thought was important.But he really had few ideas that we thought were importan<strong>to</strong>verall. Only when the Americans came over thereflying higher up <strong>and</strong> we had no guns that could shootthat high, only rockets that could fly that high, did Hitlercall for a meeting. His people came <strong>to</strong> ask us <strong>to</strong> improvethe bullets <strong>and</strong> the cannons, <strong>to</strong> kill the enemies that wereflying so high. And then afterwards they said <strong>to</strong> Hitler,"Yes, we can make it." "And how long will it take?" Hitlerwould ask. "Three years," they said. "Oh! Three months,that's all I can give you," Hitler would say. So they had <strong>to</strong>pretend that they could find something in three months.He was a crazy guy. Therefore, it was very hard <strong>to</strong> have acertain group of people working for you.Question: So that work was mostly for the design ofsupersonic airplanes?There were people in Munich or Nuremberg whoworked on supersonic airplanes. Oh, there was also thisthing called a buzz bomb that flew with a high velocity.And the one that flew with really supersonic speed was,of course, von Braun's. In order <strong>to</strong> try out Hitler's bombs,they had <strong>to</strong> have an airplane <strong>to</strong> put them underneath.Question: The same idea <strong>to</strong>day is the Cruise missile....We were really interested in having a good picture ofwhat goes on in supersonic flight, or what happens whenyou get closer <strong>to</strong> the velocity of sound—what makes youunstable, or gets the lift down or the drag so high thatnothing can help you.But in order <strong>to</strong> keep my people paid, I had <strong>to</strong> adjustthem <strong>to</strong> what Hitler thought was important. Therefore,when those people couldn't make any kind of gun withthe necessary range, Hitler asked whether von Brauncould make a rocket that would go high enough <strong>to</strong> killthe airplanes that were coming <strong>and</strong> throwing bombs.We even had this silly thing—the buzz bomb—that hada gasoline engine that went putt, putt. It made a lot ofnoise, because it opened <strong>and</strong> closed in alternation. Itspath was controlled by its tail, <strong>and</strong> when the tail got stuckon one side, it made a circle. And the circle was exactlythe <strong>to</strong>tal length at which distance it was supposed <strong>to</strong>explode the bomb. So it fell on the people who sent itup! The silly tail was supposed <strong>to</strong> steer the thing <strong>to</strong> theright point, but it very often got stuck on the left-h<strong>and</strong>Oc<strong>to</strong>ber-November 1981 FUSION 39