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GLOBAL INVESTOR 1.16 — 39<br />
backdoor into Europe for chemicals that are<br />
actually prohibited in the EU by the REACH<br />
regulation but are not outlawed in the Asian<br />
producer countries.<br />
What about protection for workers?<br />
CLAUDIA BANZ The textile and<br />
clothing industries are mainstays of the<br />
economy in countries like Bangladesh,<br />
Vietnam and Indonesia. It isn’t in the interest<br />
of politics, and it’s even prohibited<br />
in some places, for workers to form labor<br />
unions or to demand a minimum wage,<br />
for example. The risk is just too great<br />
of the entire industry pulling up stakes and<br />
moving to a place where clothing can be<br />
manufactured even more cheaply, such as<br />
Myanmar or Ethiopia, or Africa in general.<br />
Most industries historically evolve<br />
from “dirty” production to more<br />
sophisticated, less-polluting manufacturing<br />
practices. How is the fashion industry<br />
any different?<br />
CLAUDIA BANZ One possible impediment<br />
is that the textile industry is a socalled<br />
pioneer industry, which means that a<br />
business can be set up with relatively little<br />
expense. A few sewing machines in a<br />
factory hall suffice. The positive flipside is<br />
that the textile industry gives many people,<br />
especially women, an opportunity to work<br />
and earn a little money. More safety standards<br />
are also being fought for, but as we<br />
all know, in the end it’s always about profit.<br />
Who is responsible for the excesses<br />
of the mass fashion industry?<br />
CLAUDIA BANZ That’s a very big<br />
question to which there is no easy answer.<br />
I see four relevant parties: producers and<br />
entrepreneurs, politicians, designers and, of<br />
course, consumers all bear a major respon <br />
sibility. Consumers should wield their power<br />
much more forcefully, for instance by voting<br />
with their feet and not shopping in stores<br />
that don’t carry any sustainable products.<br />
It is not only companies that have a duty;<br />
everyone bears some part of the blame.<br />
The responsibility associated with<br />
consumers mainly has to do with the price<br />
of clothing. Are the ideas of “cheap” and<br />
“sustainable” contradictory?<br />
CLAUDIA BANZ Our exhibition also<br />
explored precisely this question of how<br />
clothing can be so inexpensive. It is a fallacy<br />
that fashion apparel necessarily becomes<br />
more expensive when wages are raised.<br />
Wage, production and transportation costs<br />
make up only a very small part of the<br />
end price; marketing expenses and profits<br />
Dr. Claudia Banz<br />
The doctor of art history and author of<br />
numerous publications has headed the<br />
art and design collection at the Museum<br />
für Kunst und Gewerbe (Museum of<br />
Art and Crafts) in Hamburg since 2011.<br />
She previously worked as a curator at<br />
internationally renowned museums such<br />
as the National Museums in Berlin,<br />
the Dresden State Art Collections and<br />
the Kunstpalast museum in Düsseldorf.<br />
account for the lion’s share. So the main<br />
issue is the profit margin. Sustainability and<br />
cheap prices thus don’t negate each other.<br />
But a rethinking of economics has to take<br />
place, and that’s a real problem.<br />
Does that go for cheap mass merchandise<br />
as well as for luxury fashion apparel?<br />
CLAUDIA BANZ Our research revealed<br />
that in Bangladesh, for example, T-shirts<br />
produced for the cheap fast-fashion<br />
industry and for fashion labels in the upper<br />
price segment are manufactured in the<br />
same factory. That’s a bitter realization.<br />
“Companies are<br />
committed in principle<br />
… to sustainable<br />
production at all<br />
stages of the textile<br />
value chain.”<br />
The New York Times recently reported<br />
that the luxury goods industry has<br />
begun to place greater importance on<br />
sustainability. Do you agree?<br />
CLAUDIA BANZ Yes, in principle companies<br />
are increasingly espousing transparency<br />
and, in this context, are increasingly<br />
taking a stand for sustainable production at<br />
all stages of the textile value chain.<br />
“Directors for sustainability” are being<br />
hired to employ “cleaner” materials,<br />
make work environments safer and take<br />
climate change into account.<br />
CLAUDIA BANZ It’ll probably be around<br />
five years before we can judge the earnestness<br />
of these efforts. By then we’ll be<br />
able to make an interim appraisal. And<br />
let’s not forget that sustainability has since<br />
become a lifestyle issue.<br />
Meaning …?<br />
CLAUDIA BANZ Marketing departments<br />
have recognized that there’s a lot of money<br />
to be made by invoking sustainability or<br />
even purportedly sustainably manufactured<br />
products. It always sounds good when<br />
something is “sustainably manufactured,”<br />
but very few seals of approval really do<br />
any good. Still, if sustainability is a lifestyle<br />
choice today, then the fashion apparel<br />
business is perfectly positioned to develop<br />
genuinely sustainable production practices<br />
over the medium term. The knowledge<br />
and possibilities to do so already exist.