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Eureka!<br />

members of the department. As the department gets larger and<br />

larger, like Leiden, there can be a tendency that the people<br />

who work there are just saturated by their own sub field. I<br />

will give an example of this. I was a post doc at Harvard, at<br />

the Centre for Astrophysics, for two years. After that I went<br />

to be a post doc at Pr<strong>in</strong>ceton. At a meet<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> Pr<strong>in</strong>ceton I met<br />

somebody and I asked him where was he work<strong>in</strong>g, and he<br />

answered: ‘I work <strong>in</strong> the Harvard Centre for Astrophysics’. I<br />

had no recollection of see<strong>in</strong>g him before and likewise I was<br />

completely unfamiliar to him, because we worked on different<br />

floors of a large build<strong>in</strong>g. So I th<strong>in</strong>k there is a benefit<br />

from smallness and you become more all-rounded and more a<br />

generalist <strong>in</strong> your area.’<br />

Almost all of your publications are <strong>in</strong> the field of ISM.<br />

How did your <strong>in</strong>terest <strong>in</strong> this area start?<br />

‘Why I am work<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> the ISM is entirely an accident. I<br />

believe a lot of life happens by accident and I benefitted from<br />

a lot of good luck. After I graduated <strong>in</strong> physics I didn't know<br />

one area of physics I wished to concentrate on. I went to<br />

Cornell university for graduate study and I was offered a job<br />

<strong>in</strong> a laboratory <strong>in</strong> a solid state physics group, where I worked<br />

for a couple of years. At the time, there were very few jobs <strong>in</strong><br />

science: many PhD’s ended up driv<strong>in</strong>g taxis because there was<br />

noth<strong>in</strong>g else to do. The project I worked on was unsuccessful,<br />

so I switched to astrophysics. I talked to prof. Salpeter, who<br />

was a very famous astrophysicist, because I hoped to work<br />

on relativistic accretion disks. But he discovered that I had a<br />

background <strong>in</strong> solid state physics, and s<strong>in</strong>ce he had an <strong>in</strong>terest<br />

<strong>in</strong> <strong>in</strong>terstellar dust he decided I had to work <strong>in</strong> that area.<br />

After all, he was the great Salpeter, I was just a humble<br />

graduate student, so of course I obeyed. But this gave me the<br />

opportunity to work on a large variety of fasc<strong>in</strong>at<strong>in</strong>g<br />

problems.’<br />

So you did not actually study astronomy?<br />

‘I never followed an astronomy course as an undergraduate,<br />

or even as a beg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>g graduate student. It was quite embarrass<strong>in</strong>g<br />

when I switched to astrophysics, and someone <strong>in</strong> a<br />

graduate course was talk<strong>in</strong>g about the ma<strong>in</strong> sequence and I<br />

didn’t know what it was. I knew some astronomy but lacked<br />

many fundamentals: I learned them later.’<br />

Eureka! Universiteit Leiden<br />

The Oort lecture 2009<br />

You were born <strong>in</strong> India, Calcutta. How was your<br />

childhood there and when did you move to the States?<br />

‘Actually I don’t remember, I left India when I was two years<br />

old. My father had to move often for his job: after India we<br />

lived three years <strong>in</strong> the US, three years <strong>in</strong> Brazil and n<strong>in</strong>e<br />

years <strong>in</strong> Mexico. In my last year of high school we moved<br />

back to the States. I’m actually really happy with all this<br />

mov<strong>in</strong>g: it gave me a more <strong>in</strong>ternational view than most<br />

Americans; the US is quite an <strong>in</strong>ward look<strong>in</strong>g country.’<br />

You served <strong>in</strong> the US Peace Corps <strong>in</strong> Ghana from 1969<br />

to 1971 as a teacher <strong>in</strong> physics and maths. How did<br />

you end up there?<br />

‘The Peace Corps started dur<strong>in</strong>g the years of president<br />

Kennedy. Americans had the opportunity to serve and provide<br />

services <strong>in</strong> develop<strong>in</strong>g countries as volunteers, depend<strong>in</strong>g on<br />

their own skills. For me, this was teach<strong>in</strong>g physics and maths.<br />

I th<strong>in</strong>k I did some small account of good for the people there.’<br />

Did you like teach<strong>in</strong>g already?<br />

‘Well, it was the time of the Vietnam war and I was a 21 year<br />

old healthy male. After my graduation I wasn’t sure whether I<br />

wanted to become an academic, but I didn’t wish to be drafted<br />

<strong>in</strong>to the army. The Peace Corps was the perfect opportunity to<br />

defer my <strong>in</strong>teraction with the military, and to see what I<br />

wanted to do with my life. Teach<strong>in</strong>g persuaded me that I<br />

wanted to learn more, that I liked learn<strong>in</strong>g. I still like teach<strong>in</strong>g<br />

very much: to communicate science to people who want to<br />

learn is fun. But it turned out I love research even more.<br />

Fortunately, the astronomy department <strong>in</strong> Pr<strong>in</strong>ceton is similar<br />

to Leiden: one can do both teach<strong>in</strong>g and research.’

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