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Mr. Gluksman's motives for talking freely to me appear not to<br />

be ideological. He is an avowed Marxist. Simply, he believes<br />

his Oslo talks became corrupted and that Rabin was<br />

murdered by the corrupters of his negotiations. His insider<br />

revelations are startling and verify the crux of my own<br />

research.<br />

HG - When I began laying the groundwork for the Oslo talks<br />

in '88, money wasn't even considered as a political issue. It's<br />

when it became the core issue that things turned ugly.<br />

BC - What do you mean '88? The talks began in '92.<br />

HG - The plans for them were initiated in '88. We had to wait<br />

until Rabin was elected to put them into action. He sent the<br />

two negotiators, Pundak and Hirshfeld, to Oslo and the initial<br />

talks were aimed at establishing an honest groundwork for<br />

peace.<br />

BC - I interviewed Ron Pundak in 1996 and he told me<br />

something remarkable. He said that his boss, Yossi Beilin,<br />

doesn't believe in borders. Borders cause wars. He told me<br />

the end result of the accord would be the removal of Israel's<br />

borders. This would be done by dismembering the country<br />

piece by piece. After, Israel would blend into a Middle East<br />

bloc of united Arab countries.<br />

HG - Yes, that was our objective. The Gush Katif<br />

disengagement was agreed to in 1993 as part of the broader<br />

plan. To understand how this would lead to peace, look at<br />

Hong Kong. It was a colony of six million in a sea of over a<br />

billion Chinese. Israel consists of six million Jews in a sea of<br />

over a billion Moslems. When Hong Kong was handed over<br />

to China in 1999, nothing changed for the people of Hong<br />

Kong. They went on with their lives as before but without the<br />

threat of attack hanging over them. That was our objective.<br />

Israel would become Arab and nothing would change, but<br />

the threat would end. The Jews of Tel Aviv would go on with<br />

their lives, run their businesses, build their homes but the

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