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1147 Political Parties and Elections Bill [LORDS] Political Parties and Elections Bill 1148<br />

those in hard-copy form. When armed services personnel<br />

are deployed overseas, that should be part <strong>of</strong> the<br />

checks made under the standard operating procedures.<br />

That would seem a sensible way forward. The Minister<br />

has undertaken to make representations to the Ministry<br />

<strong>of</strong> Defence. We are encouraged by that and I am<br />

grateful. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.<br />

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.<br />

Lord Greaves moved Amendment No. 84:<br />

84: After Clause 24, insert the following new Clause—<br />

“Rejected postal votes<br />

(1) Schedule 1 to the 1983 Act (parliamentary elections rules)<br />

is amended as follows.<br />

(2) After rule 31A (return <strong>of</strong> postal ballot papers) there is<br />

inserted—<br />

“Postal ballot papers not counted<br />

(1) Where a postal vote has been returned but not counted<br />

because the personal identifiers—<br />

(a) are absent,<br />

(b) are incomplete, or<br />

(c) do not match the personal identifiers provided with the<br />

application for a postal vote,<br />

the returning <strong>of</strong>ficer must record this information on a separate<br />

list (the list <strong>of</strong> postal votes returned but not counted) in addition<br />

to making the entry on the marked list.<br />

(2) The list <strong>of</strong> postal votes returned but not counted is a<br />

relevant election document for the purposes <strong>of</strong> section 42 <strong>of</strong> the<br />

Electoral Administration Act 2006.<br />

(3) The returning <strong>of</strong>ficer shall write to each elector whose<br />

returned postal vote has not been counted for a reason listed in<br />

paragraph (1) to inform them <strong>of</strong> the circumstances in which their<br />

vote has not been counted.”.”<br />

The noble Lord said: My Lords, as I am going to<br />

refer to some <strong>of</strong> the local information on Pendle about<br />

which the noble Lord, Lord Bates, was asking, I<br />

should declare an interest in that I was the Liberal<br />

Democrat agent for most <strong>of</strong> the county council candidates<br />

in the recent elections and attended counts on both<br />

Friday morning and Sunday evening. The matter raised<br />

by the amendment was one I referred to briefly in<br />

Committee on a different amendment, but I have now<br />

brought it back following the experience in the recent<br />

elections as there is a serious problem that needs to be<br />

tackled. I am moving the amendment in the hope that<br />

it is helpful.<br />

The amendment requires the returning <strong>of</strong>ficer to do<br />

two things. First, the returning <strong>of</strong>ficer must keep a<br />

separate list <strong>of</strong> those postal votes that have been<br />

returned, or where envelopes have been returned but<br />

where the votes have not been counted owing to a<br />

failure <strong>of</strong> the personal identifier system. In other<br />

words, the personal identifiers are absent, incomplete,<br />

or do not match the information that the council holds<br />

on file as a result <strong>of</strong> the application for a postal vote. I<br />

should say that I am particularly grateful to Gillian<br />

Hartley, who is the Pendle Council elections <strong>of</strong>ficer,<br />

for helping me to understand how the system works<br />

and what happens, and for providing me with the<br />

information that I shall <strong>of</strong>fer a little later.<br />

Secondly, the amendment requires the returning<br />

<strong>of</strong>ficer to write individually to each <strong>of</strong> the electors<br />

whose votes have not been counted because <strong>of</strong> a<br />

mismatch in or absence <strong>of</strong> the personal identifiers. At<br />

the moment, that does not happen. At the moment,<br />

two lists are produced after the election, which are<br />

available to candidates and political parties under the<br />

approved conditions.<br />

The first is the marked register, which shows the<br />

people who have turned up at polling stations and<br />

been given a ballot paper—and, presumably voted.<br />

The second is the postal voters list, which provides a<br />

list <strong>of</strong> those postal votes which have been returned at<br />

that election. The postal voters list includes all the<br />

envelopes that have been returned, because the list is<br />

compiled from information on the envelopes before<br />

they are opened and before the votes are opened, so it<br />

includes those which are not subsequently counted.<br />

The provision <strong>of</strong> that list, which did not happen before<br />

the passing <strong>of</strong> the Electoral Administration Act 2006,<br />

was partly a result <strong>of</strong> discussion that took place in<br />

your Lordships’ House on previous legislation, when<br />

it became clear that that list was required. Before then,<br />

the only list required was <strong>of</strong> the postal votes issued,<br />

not those returned.<br />

The current system is that if you send a postal vote<br />

back, the envelope is returned, received and opened.<br />

Inside that envelope, there should be a smaller envelope,<br />

sealed up, that includes the ballot paper and the piece<br />

<strong>of</strong> paper that contains the personal identifier. When<br />

those personal identifiers are checked—I have to say<br />

that Pendle, like most <strong>of</strong> the councils in the north-west,<br />

did a 100 per cent check <strong>of</strong> postal votes and the<br />

returning <strong>of</strong>ficer decided to do it last year in view <strong>of</strong><br />

the controversy over previous postal votes in Pendle—the<br />

sheet <strong>of</strong> personal identifiers comes in, it is fed into the<br />

machine that checks them and that computer-type<br />

machine checks whether the information about date <strong>of</strong><br />

birth and signature match the information that the<br />

council holds on its records. If the machine thinks that<br />

they match, it goes through. If the machine thinks that<br />

they do not match, or it is not sure, it is spewed out<br />

and on the screen, on the monitor, is displayed the<br />

information that the council holds on its records. That<br />

is then compared visually and manually by counting<br />

staff with the paper that has come in, and they decide<br />

whether, yes, they match sufficiently or no, they do<br />

not. That is how it actually works.<br />

We discussed this in Grand Committee, I brought<br />

evidence from two county councils by-elections this<br />

spring in Nelson, which is part <strong>of</strong> Pendle, in one <strong>of</strong><br />

which the number <strong>of</strong> rejected votes, because <strong>of</strong> a<br />

mismatch or absence <strong>of</strong> identifiers, was more than<br />

5 per cent <strong>of</strong> the total, and in the other, which was a<br />

substantially Asian ward, more than 10 per cent. This<br />

year, in the six county divisions within Pendle, which<br />

make up Pendle and the area that counted for the<br />

European elections, 485 returned envelopes were<br />

rejected—in other words, the ballot paper was not<br />

looked at and not counted—for failure to provide a<br />

matching identifier. In some cases, the identifiers were<br />

absent; in some cases, only one <strong>of</strong> them was there; in<br />

most cases, they did not match. This was approximately<br />

4.5 per cent <strong>of</strong> the total, on a return <strong>of</strong> postal votes <strong>of</strong><br />

about 70 per cent.<br />

In the most Asian division—I do not have the exact<br />

figure, but I think the Asian electorate is about 45 per<br />

cent <strong>of</strong> the total—the return <strong>of</strong> postal votes was<br />

81.7 per cent, and 11.6 per cent <strong>of</strong> the envelopes

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