12Freedom <strong>of</strong> worship has been misunderstood and has led to devil worship and the like. You know all theses things, religion hasto be registered, I am not saying we should remove freedom <strong>of</strong> worship, freedom <strong>of</strong> worship should be there but not just agroup <strong>of</strong> myself and my two sons, and we form a religion we begin without doctrines and I think the Bishops have to hear thata religion has to be vetted we have systems to do that, so that when it is registered, then people can worship freely, catholics,protestants whatever it is. Denominations staff registered should function fully and equally in matters pertaining to church andstate, you know when you go to court you have to swear by your religion. Arthists should have a place in there, if they want toswear their way fine, hindus the same, muslims I know it is there, and all these things. You will read the details <strong>of</strong> this becausewe have answered practically every question in the red booklet, and I have only talked about four pages <strong>of</strong> this 15 pagedocument, thank you very much and these are the views <strong>of</strong> the people in this DioceseCom. Ayonga: Rev.Magero, you said when you were talking about the disabled people, and as regard to the wheel chairs,you said all buildings should have room or make room for the wheel chairs, now you know we have so many buildings thatwere build many years ago, and they are already in place, now are you talking about the existing buildings or are you talkingabout that any buildings that might come, any building that might come about, should have provision for their wheel chairs, foruse <strong>of</strong> the disabled that is one question, I need clarification. Another one was as regard to land issues, you said there must be acealing and the 100 acres should be a cealing now I do not know whether you are talking about as a land that is not in use, oryou are including land that has already been in use, and someone has got more th an 100 acres, what do you do, if someone hasgot 500 acres and all those acres are under tea or c<strong>of</strong>fee, all those 500 acres he has got animals that he keeps on that land? andthen lastly, you talked about those whom we are going to elect to these high <strong>of</strong>fices should have an AIDs test, but AIDS beingwhat it is and the little I know about AIDs is that you can test a person today declare him he does not have the diseases but sixmonths later after your test because these takes a process until you can tell now he has it positive, now isn’t this not going to bevery hard thing to do because AIDS is such I do not want to call it a clever disease, but a disease that hides itself and it takes soslow and yet it is there how are we going to save from this?Rev.Magero: Thank you very much dear Commissioners, may I begin with the first question and I will come down to the thirdone, access to buildings, those once already build and those once yet to come. It is difficult to put up buildings for <strong>of</strong>ficepurposes to make them for public use. If an <strong>of</strong>ficer is occupying a building that is already in place, then that <strong>of</strong>ficer, thatimportant <strong>of</strong>ficer should occupy the ground floor for everybody to access not necessary upstairs, and a runway to construct arunway is just to remove the steps, to enter a doorway, and then the wheel chair can access that <strong>of</strong>fice, but if we cannot beplaced yet, to have the wheelchair facilities to go up the buildings, on 14 th storey then the important <strong>of</strong>ficers should occupyground floors and we only take care <strong>of</strong> the steps by the door way then the wheel chair will run right through, and like that wecan be in good shape.Land at cealing <strong>of</strong> a 100 acres, land in use is okay, but land is also for dwelling, if you have a hundred or 10,000 acres on tea,
13and another person has no plot to put a house, then we are not fair to that person without a place to put a building. We need toacquire the land from this person who has a 100 acres <strong>of</strong> tea, and then make it possible for the person who has no plot to havea plot to have land so that he also can live as a person, the government is better placed to do this, the government can acquireland from those <strong>of</strong> us who have thousands <strong>of</strong> acres its not existing in the current price, and then sell to the people without landat convenient rates, then everybody will have it done. Land not in use, should be compulsorary acquired, land in use should beconveniently acquired.The AIDs test I am sorry about that. The AIDs test is a good one but the medical practioners in this land and eleshwhere areable to tell that this person is having no AIDs and the person contacted AIDS last night, the Doctor may not see, we suggestthat for people to vie for election or an elective <strong>of</strong>fice they should be applying well ahead <strong>of</strong> time, to allow the AIDS to show,something like 6 months is good enough, so you apply to be a contestant 6 months early and you are tested negative, then itgoes on six months later after you have passed, we shall also require that you be tested so people will be checked they will havesome fear to be promiscuous and I think something will be in place.Com. Kangu: On that issue <strong>of</strong> land cealings, we have been in other parts <strong>of</strong> this country particularly the pastoral areas, and thepeople are saying that the nature <strong>of</strong> our economic activities such that you cannot limit the size <strong>of</strong> land, because these are peoplewho have to move from one place to another, depending on the pastures availability <strong>of</strong> how do you reconcile that with yoursuggestion that we limit to a 100 acres, are we going to be able to put one standard for the whole country or are we going tozone the country into different parts, so that we know which area should be limited to how much acreage. On the issue <strong>of</strong>testing, apparently the current standards at the International Labour Organization are that nobody should be denied employmenton medical ground unless it is proved that he can no longer perform or that he has a contageous disease, and therefore it is adisease that can be conducted in the course <strong>of</strong> his employment, so how will you reconcile your proposal with those internationalstandards?Rev. Magero: Thank you very much, my chairman has come I do not know if you want to answer any <strong>of</strong> those questions.Infact when we talk about land, in Kenya there are some pieces <strong>of</strong> land which are idle, when someone is in Nairobi, and isowning about 500 acres or 1000 acres, and it is not being utilized and we feel that such people should be made the land to bereduced and even those ones who are in pastoral areas, we are advocating that, we cannot have such a large piece <strong>of</strong> land,while the other people are not having it and we feel that they will be still no peace for those once who are not having land. Sowe feel in this Commission when you go for instance in Tranzoia or in Uasin- Gichu District even Maasai land you find vast <strong>of</strong>land occupied by monkies, but the owners are in Nairobi, when you touch them they say that its their land. That is what wewant the government to come up in this Constitution, to see that those who are landless are settled. Then I will handle the issue<strong>of</strong> affirmative action equal opportunity as relates to AIDs testing, that we shall be denying politicians the rights to be occupying apolitical job because <strong>of</strong> AIDs was that the question? That is a good idea we thought so, because although there is affirmativeaction and equal opportunity even in those people who are the architects <strong>of</strong> those slogans, we cannot deny the fact that they
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