authority. So if you give it back to there, then you can start talking, because thatgives rise to how gave the scripture? God gave it, so therefore it’s good or bad,because God said, not because you feel like it.So at the same time, God is also having this discussion with Uddhava, how is itthat the spiritualist can also have a problem or fall down? It doesn’t make it any lessspiritual, it just means he was not careful enough. That’s God’s opinion. Then onecannot get out your pitchforks and torches, and your burning at the stake, and yourlittle white hooded hats, and all those kind of stuff. You can’t do that, even thoughthat’s the next natural step. You can’t, because if you actually acknowledge that it isbased on religion, religion has come from God, God doesn’t work that way. Sotherefore if you are actually following God, you can’t work that way. So if you want towork that way, you actually have to leave God out of the equation, therefore it’smundane.Devotee (2): So the Puritan approach is quite simplistic and that’s why it falls flat.<strong>Maharaja</strong>: Yes, popular though. Very emotional, gets the bile moving, it helpsdigestion, many side benefits.Devotee (2): On the other hand, the argument from our conditioned state thatbecause we are conditioned, therefore don’t blame us, we are conditioned also seemsto be a little bit lame.<strong>Maharaja</strong>: It’s also false.Devotee (2): it’s also false.<strong>Maharaja</strong>: It’s false, because you are saying, I am conditioned, but who is the I?And what is this conditioning? So therefore it’s also stupid, because here hementioned, Uddhava doesn’t say that how is it that the transcendentalist then he getsinvolved even though he doesn’t want to be involved, he gets involved, and hedoesn’t leave him on a nice position. He says, how is it that the transcendentalist actslike a dog, an ass, or a goat? So therefore if you are saying, I am conditioned andtherefore give me a break, then you have to admit that I am a dog, a goat, or an ass,so therefore give me a break based on that. But they want to be able to maintain outof false ego the reason one is in the position is their pristine position as veryadvanced or special or unique or something, and that’s contradictory, and that’s whatdoesn’t work.So therefore the solution is that both positions are wrong. That both positionsexist, that’s natural. That’s what Prabhupada says, we can’t argue they are there. It’snatural. But the point is, what is the real position, that’s what we are trying to get to.So that’s then what then the Hamsa-avatara then replies. So now this is in Srimad-Bhagavatam 11.13.24 and 25. So then verse 24 is:Within this world, whatever is perceived by the mind, speech, eyes or othersenses is Me alone and nothing besides Me. All of you please understand this by astraightforward analysis of the facts.
And then the next verse:My dear sons, the mind has a natural proclivity to enter into the material senseobjects, and similarly the sense objects enter into the mind; but both this materialmind and the sense objects are merely designations that cover the spirit soul, who ispart and parcel of Me.So in other words, the first one throws out the purist, and the second one throwsout the rationalist. It’s like that, just what’s the big deal.So in the first one we see here, whatever is perceived by the mind, speech, eyesor other senses, Krsna says, is Me alone. It’s not like He is saying, oh, I am not this, Iam that. No, it’s all it is is Me, and nothing else. He makes that very clear, nothingbesides Me. So anything one is perceiving is Krsna, that’s all it is. So that’s theproblem.This then for the purist, he can’t actually deal with that. So they take the atheisticposition what they do is therefore then they try to put God in a very special position,that gives rise to this deism. They take the part that He is above material nature, butthey don’t take the part that He has created it and makes it work through Hisenergies. So if He does that, that means all there is is God. That means anything thatyou are seeing, dealing with, no matter what it is, it’s Krsna. No matter how nice it is,or how disgusting it is, it’s still Krsna. But the point is because of our sense of goodand bad, our sense of religion, therefore we separate out of all these experiences thatare Krsna, we take out the nice ones and then say, that’s pious, and we take theones of those that are connected obviously to Krsna and call that devotional. In thatway we stay away from all the gross stuff. But in actuality it’s all Krsna.But the point is Rupa Goswami says, just because it’s connected to Krsna doesn’tmake it devotion. Kamsa was thinking of Krsna 24 hours a day, but it wasn’tdevotion. So therefore it must be favorable.So you are seeing the sense and the sense object, all this is Krsna, and this iswhat you are attached to, it’s non-different from Krsna, so actually you are notactually attached to that sense object or that experience that comes, you areattached to Krsna, because that’s what it is. But because it’s your attachment and it’son your terms, therefore technically it’s not favorable to Krsna, that’s why it’s givenup, not because that activity is somehow or another not nice. What’s not nice about itis it’s not favorable to Krsna. Not because it’s the religious thing, or a moral thing.That’s why we can take morality and religion and say, they are still not to theactual point. But you have to know what is religion and morality to be able to do that.Someone who can’t identify it can’t throw it out. The Goswamis can identify it, theycan throw it out. Someone, who can’t identify it, has to work with it. But he has towork with it according to how Krsna says, then it becomes favorable.Do we catch what’s going on here, the mechanics of what actually is how the mindis getting attached and what’s the real point that’s there?
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