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Mac trucks, so many things you have to do to stay in the body. But the mindwherever you go, it goes with you. So that’s actually the real central feature.Devotee (1): So the point which makes it work is not how much effort you put intobreaking the mind, but the understanding that the soul is superior to the mind.Because by just fighting it with brute force…Maharaja: No, this is the whole point, the brute force won’t work. It’s a matter ofthe mind is based on desire, and we have this idea, we have to get rid of desire. No,we don’t have to get rid of desire, we have to change the desire. Because right nowdesire is to lord it over material energy, and the mind is the central feature of that. Ithas the desires, it has all the ideas. Maharaja gives so many examples of that themeans we have so many things that we can see, but the mind can generate stuff, wecan close our eyes and the mind can generate stuff we want. You can go andcompletely hide, but it will generate. Because anything it’s taken in the past, it canbring up again and it has the ability by samasti to stick together all kinds of things, itcreates stuff that don’t even exist, and we want it, that’s the thing.So the whole idea is, it’s a matter of changing desire, redirecting that desire. Sotherefore he mentions that if it’s fixed upon the Lord of the mind, Aniruddha, in otherwords, Krsna is the Lord of desire and attachment.Devotee (2): Another…also against breaking the mind, it will be like in the case ofMayavadi that is actually impersonalist, who thinks he has the mind under control,because this actually is his goal if I am controlling everything. And actually that willlead to take the against the principle that actually surrendering the mind, which is aconstant eternal… To break it…in control of my…Maharaja: He is the controller, yes. Because the bottom line is we have come intothis world because we think we are the controller and enjoyer, so because the mindwants that it gives us a false identity. So the Mayavadis somehow or another verycleverly throw out all the stuff that seemingly is material desire but keep the essentialpoint which is I am the controller and enjoyer. So that’s the interesting, it’s like, getrid of the bank, all the marble, all the counters, but keep the money. So there is no,the bank is gone, so now all the maya is gone, but you still have the money.The second point then:2. When that sattvika mental substance is dedicated to the Lord it is transformedto Krsna consciousness, the state of infallible goodness about the three modesof material nature.So we can see here, it’s a transference. One is trying to bring the mind fromengaging in material pursuit to spiritual. That doesn’t necessarily mean changing theactivity. This is also sometimes misunderstood stemming from the impersonal ideathat spiritual must be the opposite of material. But actually material is not being ableto perceive the spiritual. It’s not opposite things.
Means it’s like night is the lack of light. If there is light, there is no night. It’s notopposite things as such, as a force. Night is not a force that is fighting with thedaytime and covering it, no. It just doesn’t exist if there is day. So if the spiritualconsciousness is there, there is no maya, there is no ignorance. It’s just, means weput it on the front page of our BTG this very point, kåñëa—sürya-sama; mäyä hayaandhakära. Krsna is sun and He is light, and maya is darkness. So where there isKrsna, there is no darkness. That’s the whole idea. Like you see in the whole logothere is darkness, but Lord Caitanya is bringing this light, and so then therefore it isbeing able to be appreciated.So it’s a matter of transforming. This is our philosophy, transforming. This isparinamavada, it’s transformed. You have the spiritual, but because of pollutedconsciousness it transforms into material consciousness. While the Mayavadis theiridea is vivartavada, which means that it’s just an illusion, it doesn’t exist. So they’llsay the mind doesn’t exist, but keep the idea that I am God. So it doesn’t make anysense. So the whole idea is we have to be very careful that we are not caught up inthis.Third point:3. To dedicate the mind to the Lord we must channel the flow of our desirestowards His lotus feet. Hence there is no question of controlling the mind,fixing the mind, pacifying the mind without the reformation of desire. Ourquality of mind is subject to the quality of our desire.So simply it is the desire. And that’s the best part about it, desire is starting fromourself, from the soul. So when there is athato brahma-jijnasa, then the desirechanges. When the desire changes, that will change then the flow of the mind.So the water is moving, it’s a matter of directing it to where it’s useful. So muchwater is there in a city, and if it moves according to the natural flow everyone isbenefited. If it doesn’t go according to that, it comes down at the side of themountain and all those people in the fancy houses end up down in Watz (?). So it’s aproblem.Devotee (3): I was wondering, can the mind’s activities be divided into Bhagavata,Pancaratrika, and Vedic?Maharaja: In one sense you can, means as a psychological definition you might notuse the terms, but the subject matter will be the same.Your Bhagavata is your pure consciousness or focusing on the Lord in its naturalspontaneous form of attraction and affection. Your Pancaratrika will mean that themind appreciates that the Lord is the center of all activity, but it doesn’t naturallyflow that way, so it accepts to be bridled and directed therefore exclusively at thelotus feet of the Lord. The Vedic will mean that the mind may or may not accept thatthe Lord is supreme, but there is such a thing as an upward direction, there is such athing as better and worse, and that better and worse is defined by scripture, byauthority, not speculative. Therefore authority says, one must be progressive, and
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So that’s the thing, from habit,
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it. Means mother Yasoda and them th
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in another. They may work on their
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connection to Krsna, 1000 people th
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there is nothing else. That’s rea
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control of this hell? Satan. So the
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to be able to take these things. It
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Like sometimes, there was one lette
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If there is a need, if it will help
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preaching, so therefore I should lo
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Maharaja: That’s the whole…, yo
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therefore no Krsna conscious conten
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the material world is not still hav
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method in connection Krsna, then yo
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We are doing a fire yajna, it’s a
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Devotee (2): Yes, in one sense, bec
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No, we’ll have to end here. If yo
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they are substandard tastes. If you
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Are you talking about first base? A
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So the element of surrender, sacrif
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Devotee (1): Then therefore I have
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So in this, so this is the techniqu
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through. But for that to have happe
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Maharaja: Yes, you see Krsna, becau
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Maharaja: So this it’s called, Ma
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simple, it is only that much. The K
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even talks doesn’t mean it’s an
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So now we have re-identified oursel
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Maharaja: No, formula you can find.
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that the jiva-sakti in the pure sta
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understanding that there is no tran
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So here then we have a discussion,
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angels, how big are these angels? T
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enjoying that interaction, the visa
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Devotee (2): Maharaja, throughout t
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Maharaja: They get benefit in that
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good, but in a normal terminology i
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we are considered we have situated
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So once you expand the masculine an
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for over a hundred years, and it wo
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Maharaja: He is smart. He is smart.
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of the things. Otherwise if you are
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having done that there is no ksatri
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So I can’t handle that, so we don
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Devotee (2): Thank you, Maharaja. A
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void area exist here, or the place
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When you go into his office, make a
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clothes, I live in this part of tow
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Because everything is there in the
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that you can use it, those are the
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Devotee (3): Especially young peopl
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Maharaja: Is monogamy an innovation
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you could say four things. One is t
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Maharaja: Was that a good choice?De
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going to interact, I am going to do
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So we can see, structure becomes th
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Prabhupada considered if they take
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what’s the essential element of t
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Maharaja: Yes, but we shouldn’t b
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