So that’s exactly what’s going on here, the material energy is interacting withKrsna and we are sitting on the sidelines and saying, yeah, yeah, this that, becausewe identify with it, we think it’s us and we think it’s all happening. This is the illusion.So as long as we sit there and do nothing and then try to be the controller andenjoyer of it, then we are always going to suffer. As soon as we understand that thisis Krsna’s pastimes and we can assist in that by identifying as His servant and makesthe proper connection, and as the position of assisting His devotees, headed by theinternal potency, then whatever we are dealing with becomes yajna, becomessacrifice.It’s the pious concept that sacrifice simply means you have a fire and you poursome ghee in it, or just the holy name. These are yajna and they are the bestmanifestations of it, or japa. But actually everything is connected with the Lord, sotherefore every aspect that you do is yajna. So if we understand that, theneverything we do is connected. Then there isn’t a problem with the mind, because themind has been completed converted to spiritual.So the real problem is actually accepting that the problem is not the mind, theproblem is our contaminated desire that we want to be the controller and enjoyer.That generates the mundane mind that gives us trouble. If we are willing to beKrsna’s servant, there is no mundane mind, and the spiritual mind doesn’t give usany trouble. Krsna says the mind is your best friend or worst enemy. If it’s connectedto Krsna, it’s your best friend. It’s not connected, it’s your worst enemy.Devotee (2): So you say that the column is Krsna’s energy, Laksmi. So it’s nice toknow that that energy is material energy or external energy.<strong>Maharaja</strong>: But it’s only external because you see it that way.Devotee (2): I mean it’s related to Supersoul, the Paramatma.<strong>Maharaja</strong>: Yes, but Supersoul is who? Supersoul is Krsna. He appears to you in theheart, that He is one guy standing there alone, because that’s all the way we seeHim. Just like when we think of Karanodakasayi-Visnu, so then Karanodakasayi-Visnuwe think of as one big guy lying there in this monstrous ocean. But now when Arjunaand Krsna went to visit Karanodakasayi-Visnu, what was there? A palace and Himand His servants and everything was going on. That’s the reality. Means Krsna is onlycalled Paramatma, because that’s all we see.So in the beginning we see Krsna as material energy. But we don’t recognize it’sKrsna, therefore it’s called maya. When we start recognizing that everything isenergy, everything is Brahman, everything is spiritual, then we come to the Brahmanplatform. But that source of that energy is coming from somebody, that’sParamatma. But when we understand that Paramatma is a person separate from allthis and has His relationships with His devotees, then we come to the Bhagavan. Sothe same, it’s one thing with four different perspectives.
That’s the whole idea, to give up the mundane perspective and come to thespiritual. So we give up the mundane and start with Brahman. Brahman, Paramatma,we can relate to that. The Bhagavan aspect we relate to on one level as a person, butultimately then we say, Krsna can’t be connected with this, so we don’t actuallyunderstand Him as Bhagavan. Because He is simultaneous one with the creation anddifferent. He is non-dual, it’s connected with Him.Because He manifests eternally in four features, as Himself as a person, as Hisinternal potency, the external potency, and the jivas. These four are always there.But the internal potency, external potency is the same person, just they take adifferent mood depending upon you.It’s just like, let us say, you are sitting there with your wife and you are in a publicplace, and you are discussing something that is something known between these twoof you, something intimate, and you are sitting and laughing about it, enjoying themoment there. Then some outside person comes up whose character is not very goodand is not very obvious and they look like they are trying to get something out ofyou, and they come up and start talking to you. Now do you go on and deal with himin that very nice intimate, open way as you did with your wife, or do you immediatelybecome formal and what do you want? What happens? What do you do?Devotee (2): Become formal.<strong>Maharaja</strong>: Yes, you become formal. So that is the difference between Paramatmaand Bhagavan. Because we deal with Him in that way, that’s how He reciprocates.Krsna says, as you surrender I reciprocate. You see Him as Vraja-Krsna Hereciprocates as that. You don’t see Him as Vraja-Krsna He reciprocates like that.Like Prabhupada says, our deities, means they are Radha-Krsna the forms, butthey actually we are worshiping Laksmi-Narayana. Because we are worshiping thatyou have to do these rules and all that, and that’s what makes the deity worship.That’s the form of it. But it’s the devotion that makes the deity worship, and there isa proper form for it.Devotee (2): But then why are these… lament for separation from Krsna if Krsna iseverywhere and everything?<strong>Maharaja</strong>: Because that’s everywhere and everything in that way, but then there isKrsna as a person. Krsna, every time He talks about Himself in essence, He alwaysmentions how He is everything but He is still separate as a person. So you can feelHim everywhere.It’s like this, the mum is sitting in her room and she is absorbed in whatever sheis doing, the kid is at school, and she is just absorbed in what she does. Now whenshe walks out of her room into the hallway and sees the kid’s socks sitting there, nowwhat happens? Then she remembers the kid, then there is separation. So there wassomething of the kid’s that reminded her of the kid, therefore separation. So now ifeverything in the creation you see as Krsna, why you will not feel separatation?That’s the point. (end of lecture) (end)
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