<strong>Gerald</strong> W. <strong>Smith</strong> 20 8with increasing frequency and his contributions will get greater rec9g-nition in the passing of the years than it had at the time he was wo k-ing, or maybe has had even up to this date.IQ. I think it would be appropriate to mention here, iF you want to,he was influential not only in the developmnts in Illinois, but alsIowa.A. Yes, he moved from Illinois in 1965 to the staff of the Superintmdentof Public Instruction in Iowa where he perfomd a role almost identicalwith the one he had perfomd in Illinois, with this additional facet. InIllinois he was the forerunner to the reorganization of our state, whereasin Iowa, the reorganization of the state occurred when he was there. Thekgtlslature passed si&ficant legislation at the time he arrived, so hewas involved in the implementation of it in Iowa, rather than being theforerunner.Q. When you first began talking about this group of distinguished people,I guess I unconsciously assumed that at least sore of those would be superintendentsof school districts or fomr superintendents. Now, are thereany among them who were?A. The only one that I mentioned was James Logsden, who was at Thornton.These other people had performed their roles in the junior college asdeans. They caw into the junior college. I reerrphasize that for a perioddf 25 or 30 years, deans wwe the individuals who gave strong, conthuousleadership. Now, if you will think about it, as we were talking about theearly 1950's and the later 1950ts, there were several superintendents:Oscar Corbel1 at Centralia and Phil Dolan, and prior to hh, Fra,nk Jmsenat LPO, and I could mention that Harold Metcalf, the superintendent atBloom, who was the man there when they organized that college; and PIP.?Pnorrrpson, the superintendent at Elgin in earlier days had played a moreactive part, but by the mid to late 1950'8, you would find what we findhere, the leaders identified with it, the moving force within the Associationof Junior Colleges, which was a strong force, were these administrativeheads of the college itself, and, of course, until 1962 we have to d n dourselves that every jdor college in the State was a part of a publicschool district org~zation, either unit or high school.Q. Were these men and you approxlmtely the same age at this time?A. We were. I would say that.Q. And none of them came out of the public school background like yours?A. Oh, yes. Several of these people came into the junior college. IC:expect most of them came into the junior college, but none of them cameinto the junior college having been superintendents. A good rrmy of themmoved into it from faculty positions. No, I would think that everyone ofthese people had initially been a public school faculty member. Theymoved into the junior college from that roll, but they had not been admlnistratorsin quite the role that I had been. We were in the same, letus say, age bracket withln a decade. (lawter) I've noticed how ma@yI
<strong>Gerald</strong> W.<strong>Smith</strong>of them have retired.Q. I would just like to say a couple of words right here, Gerry,the relationship in your mind between the vignettes you have givenmrning of different goups and the main thread of the mrative,what you are saying is that there was a large context within whichformal, legal, formalized developments occurred in the State ofwhich were very influential in the way of creating the climate,receptivity for the ideas, and a williwess to discuss issues,which is really something quite remarkable.A. Yes, I think the rather dramatic development of the junior collegesthat occurred, beginning the fall of 1965, and which we will be talkingabout in the not too distant future, could not have ever been a possibilityor a reality without the kind of backgmund that we have been talkingabout here.Q. Followhg the notations that we just took d m a moment ago, Gerry,we were developirg some other ideas whfch I think are admirable summaries,and I wish you would pestate what you just said for the =cord.A. What I have been trying to say is that it should be, fmt of all,apparent that there was no one indivfdual, no one person, whose name standsout as being the single moving force for our junior colleges. It was nota one-rn idea. The development of the junior colleges in the last half ofthe 1960's was influenced greatly by the participation of m y people, manyof them, of course, well horn and educational leaders as well as laypeople in the State, but t; people in there durbg that period of tine.We talked about PbJor Lennox Low, a distinguished citizen of Chicago andhis work with the first cormnission. We talked about Fred Heitman. Hewas the chairman of the second corrrmission and subsequently a meuber ofthe Board of Higher Education and his contribution. Now both of thesepeople came from the industrial or business world into the progmm. Wewould have to mention the educational leaders in the universities and theState of Illinois. We would have to include these people we have alreadynamed from junior colleges, etcetera. There was just an enormous nwnberof people who put input into it, and the conclusion that I made a momentago was that the kacter of the Master Plan finally evolved in 1964, andspecifics of the Junior College Act as it was passed in 1965, and the explosionthat took place with the rapid development of junior colleges beginningin September of 1965, was all the product of these many ideas, ofthe work and thinking of these many people and of the tremendous amountof discussion that taken place, of the innumerable articles that hadappeared in newspapers and magazines across the State.Q. I know of no other educational development anywhere in the history ofthis country where the entire population of an area--in this case, theState of Illinois--seems to have been so deeply involved and so vitallyconcerned as in these develop~nts that finally led to the creation ofa cormunity college system.Q. I haven't had the kind of experience that makes it possible to relate
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