<strong>Gerald</strong> W. <strong>Smith</strong> 224A. The rewrite activity began sometime during the mnth of May inaf"cer it had come out of the House. I would say thatmately three weeks to do it. The groups that did the yewritingevenings a week while they were dbing it and then Allyn Franlcie,attorney, as I recall at one the came to Springfield and stayed heseveral days. Of course he worked throughout the day and theconcert with Dr. Glenmy and the representative of theColleges.Q. When you speak of the representatives of the Association of the JuniorColleges then <strong>Gerald</strong> Mth was certainly one of those representatives.A. I was there, Kenneth Edwards was tkiere, Gill Renner was there, TurnerTrimble was there. I am almost afraid to list the names because in thecourse of the total work so ~r!any were involved, but these people that Ihave named--Renner, Edwards, Wimble, rqqself, and Robefi Birhimr, I mustn'tforget him. We were a group of people that were there almost continuously.Wayne Stonekhg, who at that time was executive secretary of the IllinoisEducation Association, also participated in this rewrite. Wayne had beenin research in the IEA for a long time, and was an expert in writing legislation.And again I want to say here, I apologfze for any names I maybe over looking in this narrative because in the total picture there wereso many who were involved.Q. That would be quite understandable, Gerry, and I how that, you havemade it abundantly clear throughout this long narrative, you're trying veryhard to be fair, but you're h w and you do have a human forgetfulnessof mmbers.A. Yes, and again I am providing this story in ny perspective, pointingout that merous other people have wrttten the more detailed factual storysince the Act was passed, in the form of stories or disser%ations, and soforth.Q. I think it would be of very real interest if you would say a few words,Gemy, here about the kinds of contributions you thought you particul$rlywere in a position to make to this rewrite. The kinds of ideas, the $inasof critfcisms, or whatever form it may have taken, if there is somethalongthese lines, I think that it would be very appropriate.A. Well, I don't how that I had any special contribution. I think probablyqy role would have been helpful in this sense. For 5 years I hadbeen working in this state in terms of the total state. I thereforebrought, I think, to the discussion, a state wide perspective which illsome cases was different from the perspective of a representative of #-iind5vidual institution. I had been active with all of the school disl$rictsas the Executive Director for the School Administrators Association au)d withall of the codty colleges as secretmy for their association and mereforeI think I understood the necessary relationships that had to be itakeninto account with regard to those matters. I believe, as I recall it, thatqy input on the mtter of powers and duties and on the mtter of procqdures,in many instances was helpfil as we tried to write the language.I was not and that was a bill drafter. I made no effort to tryspecific 1-e. Whenever that needed to be done I went to A1
<strong>Gerald</strong> W. SMth 225who was skilled or to Wayne Stoneking who was a bill drafter or of cowse,we could go to the Legislative Reference Bureau, an agency of the GenAssen-bly which would help draft bills.Q. Fsom the wide range of experiences youfve had by this time you m d thave known where a great many of the raw places were and f'rom that you~ould deduce where-other raw places might-orignate if certain changeswere made. I can see that together with that, your natural way, or OUTdeeply ingrained way of viewing all of these processes in which you havebeen engaged throughout your entire life, essentially as educational processes.A. I might say A1 FYanlde and I wepe able to work quite well together becauseduring my seven years in Elmrood Park h1.s law firm had been a legalcounsel for our school districts there. No, I had worked with A1 forseven years in the Elmwood Park schools on bond issues, on the sale of taxwarrants, aJld on the matter of taking our new high school district inElmwood Pwk to a supreme court decision on two occasions. And we knewone another very well and understood one another very well, as did some ofthe other deans, some of the deans from those districts where they had hadsimilm experiences.Q. You were fortmte to be able to tap somebody like that. But now, thatwas in 1965; this is 1976. Basically, impression is that the instrument,the bill, the law under which this whole development has coe abouthas rdned very much the same as it was at that point. Are there somesigdficant changes, perhaps, that could be considered weaknesses? Arethere comments to be made at this point an the quality and the durabilityof the law? Perhaps this isnft the tim you want to do thls, but I do thinkthis is the question that any listener has at this moment. ,A. Yes, I can refer to this. The answer to your first observation isaffirmative. The Illinois C d t y College Act, as it is now known, hasremained in effect now for these eleven years without basic change. Theoutline that I gave to the act in presentation of it remains the same ,it has the same n&er of articles and so forth. And so the state caplnaxnitycollege system was set up and is operating wfthin that basic me-work. There have been some significant amendments to the act. Onefirst ones came in 1967. It was found during the first two yearstion that the sections of the act which dealt with the operation ofChicago City Colleges was inadequate; the financial procedures andin Chicago were so different from the other parts of the State thatrewrite had to be done to article seven, to which I refer thatthe cities of 5000,000. Ifm going to tell I think an interest- stabout that later on. There was a major rewrite of that sectfon.It was also necessary to write clarifying language wlth regard to thepowers and duties of the cormunity college boards in article three of theact. Thm have been numerous revisions to that, primarily to sharpen it.Another MOP change in the act which really doesn't do ayly.tliing to thebasic structure has been the addition of some large sections to the act.In the original act matters that had to do wlth maZcing tax levies, arfl
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