<strong>Gerald</strong> W. <strong>Smith</strong> 226mtters that had to do with bond issues, and matters that had to dowith the budgeting procedures in the Comty College Act were covepdby reference to the exist- language In the comon school law.are long, rather lerghty and detailed sections; instead oflanguage and Including it in the original act they wereIn other words, on the mtter of the budgetary procedures you did this inaccordance with Article 3. Three or four years ago the Association ofCommity Colleges and the Cormunity College Board decided that it wastime to encompass the total language within the act itself. And so thosemjor additions were made to the act. In fact they were lifted almostin total from the Colranon School Aet and rewritten to be appropriate to thefact that they are in the Cornunity College Act. No major change was madein the procedure. The act is considerably longer than it was because ofthe addition of material with regard to Chicago and those three mattersthat I have just referred to. And then as I indicated, everything in theact has been changed from l1 junior1' to ltc=ity . If But the basic patternof the act, the basic operation of the act, and so forth, are almost identicalwith the act as it became effective on July 15, 1965.Q. I'm interested in your saying that the powers that the bow& or theauthority (I have forgotten the exact wording) as originally set foAh inthe act had to be refined amd changed somewhat. Can you elaborate on thata little bit, the nature of the changes?A. I think the changes that have taken place and the additions that havebeen made or the clarif'ying language that has been made, has emanated almostentirely from the request of the boards themselves. The initial languagewas sSmple, rather broad in most cases, and h m time to time the boardsas they wrestled with one little matter or another little mtter havewished that the language had been mre explicit as to a power. Say, moreexplicit as to matters that have to do with employment and bond- of aschool treasurer, or matters that be more explicit as they have to do withthe matter of employment and setting the working conditions for staff.This ?dnd of mtter that has been the subject; or here and there the trusteeshave felt tha$ there is an implied power which they wished were explicit.It's this kind of thing. I cannot think of anything that hasbeen done that I have spoken about in there that really changed it. Itsimply was more explicit or made it clearer.Q. Well, the thing thlzt I have heard, the impression one gets is that theindividual institution including the boards and trustees are beginning tochafe at the inf'ringement upon their discretionary authority by the Cowmunity College Board itself. Now, it sounds to nae as though you're sayingthat the local boards, being reluctant to contend with the ambiguity perhapspresent in the initial act, themselves brought about this sharperlimitation, Is that a fair observation or interpretation?A. Well, I guess 1'11 have to respond to that somhat generally. Firstof all, I want to point out to you that that concern and that chafing issomething not of recent development; that began on July 15, 1965.Q. That4s wonderful. Well, this is very pertinent.1
<strong>Gerald</strong> W. <strong>Smith</strong> 227A. Generally speaking, the trustees of the districts have had a tendencyto react quite vocally to the restrictions on their powers and authoritttesand with regard to the regulatory measures that have been iqosed uponthem the Illinois Codty College Board and the Board of Wgher Education.However, what you say is true,T!he feeling has been that particularly sinceabout 1969 there's been an escalation In that regulatory authority, a feelingand a concern of the cormunity college districts which I might say isalso shared by the Board of Regents and the bard of Trustees in the Universityof Illinois and the Board of Governors and so fkth that this is atotal picture in our system. The interesting thing with regard to that isthat mst of that has corn about, however, without d o r legislation. Mostof-that has cane about by interpretation of the law as seen by the AttorneyGeneral or by the Auditor General or by the Bureau of the Budget or bythe Illinois Codty College Board or by the Board of Higher Education.Q. And by the legislature itself.A. And by the General Assembly itself. Certainly in 1969, when the Bureauof the Budget came into existence, that whole new piece of legislation hadlanguage in it, which impinged upon the public % d t y College Act mdthe act ~legardlng the University of Illinois and so forth, and which impingedupon the Co-ty College Board and the Board of K&er Education.It's these kinds of things. No, there have been no significant rewritesto the (pmmmity College Act itself which have tended to be any mre restrictivethan it was originally, nor have there been any that have tendedto release them from restriction very much. No, this has been the mtterof the interpretation, and the trends.Q. The Wends and then I have gotten this impression not only of them, nottalklng just of a community college people and system, but also of mamyaspects of our society, our other institutions. There is a growing reluctanceon the part of the individual to engage the Individual president, theindividual of trustees, the individual professor, to engage in the kinds ofrigorous tough-minded argumentation and discussion and clarification thatmust have gone on throughout this entire explosive process that you havereferred to, that created the system in the first place. And I think whatyou have said, I have heard you say something that I have felt for sometimeso I am not ascribing it to you but to qy own interpretation, thatpeople have relaxed a little bit too mch. They thought,"oh, we've got agood scheme golng here--welve got a good pattern, a good system workingand I can go about doing my own business or some other business.ll Butthere's the old saying about eternal vigilance--it seems to me that is justas urgent today as it ever was before.A. Yes, thatts-very true. You know I spoke about the trends; when GpvemorOgilvie became Governor in 1969. It wapl in his administration the Bureauof the Budget was created. Governor Ogllvie came to the governorshipwith a strong ccamritment to and feeling about the need for the ti&terfingof central mmgerrsent in state govemnt. He was an avowed advocate ofthat idea. He was very articulate in speaking to it. I still recall oneof the closing sentences in his first message he ever made to the GeneralAssembly, when he said, "As a beginning Governor, I propose to mamge4theState of Illinois as it was never managed before.I
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