<strong>Gerald</strong> W. WthQ. I didn't realize that.A. And he proceded to work within that spirit, you see. And all,tFthrOughhis term I think that Governor Walker has had essentially, the smb cmerit to the central management and central control. All agenciesstate government are subject to that feeling.Q. Not only the state agencies but every institution in our societyactually is undergoing this kind of change. Well, that has been a veryuseful and a very interestirg discussion, Gerry, and I think that you havemade a real contribution through it.A. Now I believe we're ready to go to the next section, which I have entitled"gettirg under way."Q. Well, good mx-ming, Gerry. This is the day af'ter Septenber 8, 1976.You were telling me a moment ago that there are some additional elementsthat you want to add to yesterday's discussion about the content, thenature of the act itself and the reaction to it. So before we get on withyour voyage, qp2jl-E this would be a good time to include that.A. Before we begin the theme of getting underway with the new act, it doesappear that it might be well to offer some comnts with regard to specificsin the act, which for the most part were either supportive of the generalconcept of the master plan for a state system or which were detailed legislationin response to the issues which were being discussed, about which wehave talked considerably~ And so I've put down about five topics here towhich I'm going dm make some comment.First of all, with regard to conrprehensiveness of the conarmnity collegesor the comprehensive college. This concept vdth reg& to the campEhensivecollege as dilscussed in the master plan, as dilscussed in the hearings andso forth, was written very cleavlly Into the act. The act first of allrefers to the term ltcomprehensive college" in the definitions that a~ inthe first article. And then it goes into detail as to what the GenenalAssembly meant by a comprehensive college, by dbfining a comprehensi~college as one which offers the liberal arts and sciences, general ewcation,adult and continuing education, and then because the General Asemblyunder the influence Dr. Glenny and Dr. Browne wanted to W e ce-inon this matter of the occupational programs, they wrote into the definitionthat at least l5 percent of the courses offered must be in the accupational/vocationalfields, no more than half of which might be listed in thearea of business edcation. They were trying to give a thrust to the comprehenssWmess-theywere trying to give a thrust to the matter of oacupationalpropams and you'll recall that I also noted earlier tkt thesepeople had discovered in their study tqey thought, a wealmess on the partof the existing system. So this was mitten specifically into the efinition.Q. Am I right in this, Gerry, that it was prwily Dick and Lyrrm thatkept pushing for the vocational and technical kind of programs in the college?A. Let me say they were the people who spoke to the subject moyeI would have to say that Ithinlr that many of the supporting agenciethe general movement were very mch in favor of this. There was
<strong>Gerald</strong> W. mth 2 29climate fop it. But the two men, and particularly Dr. Glenny, were theones who you find mst fkequently in public meetings speaking to that,subjectand making certain that it was in the definition of a comprehens vecollege.PQ. I'm glad this comes out the way it does. I think this is an hprrt%antpoint.A. The comprehensive emphasis again appears in Article 3 of the act whichdeals with the Class I junior college district. That is, the type ofcollege that was bo be created from here on in the Illinois system ofcolleges, and in.the very first section of Article 3 which begins with theprocedures of creating a new junior college district, it sets forth thebasic criteria with regard to population and assessed evaluation, and soforth. And then it proceeds to speak to the areas that had to be revlewedin a feasibility study with a strong emphasis upon the needs of the comi-ty in all of its educational aspects, in tern of the comprehensiveness,and again with an emphasis upon the occupational. And then in that s mf*st sectfon, once the comfty had completed a study and had petitionedthe Cormunity College Board for the privilege of having a referendum, Istated that the Cornunity College Bowd should then make a stuw of the proposeddistrict to determine whether or not in their judgnent such a districtcould operate a comprehensive program at a reasonable cost. It alsostipulated that, if the decision of the Community College Board or StateJunior College Board was in the affirmative the state board then forwardedthe proposal to the Board of Higher Education, and then assigned to theBoard of Higher Education one specific responsibility, namely, to reviewthe proposal to determfne whether or not the proposed district met thecriteria for a truly comprehensive college.Q. You couldn't be mch more explicit than that.A. So, I think that I want to point out that these a~.e illustrations thatI can give. Now, there are other places where the act refers to this, ButI think those two are particularly specific.Q. There are a lot of people in the business today, who don't know that,do they?A, Yes, I thirk that is probably true. I found qyself, I might say, afterthe actawas passed, frequently being interviewed by" people wha wanted , towrite feature aricles with regard to the c m t y college. Because erewas such a heavy emphasis upon the occupational progmm-md I think inIllinois that emphasis was very specific because of the feeling that heIllinois commity colleges had previously-not done as much in thks area asthey should. There are some times when I thFnk it became a Little bit distortedin peoples finds that it is a vocational role. So I i'ound myself,for expample, being interviewed for a feature article for Time or Newaweek,or a person who wanted to write a feature article in a 3 u n ~ i s - i s s u ~~hlcago Tribune or the St. LouPs Dispatch or s w publication of that type,and interviewing me sometimes for an hour or more. And I learned to know,almost to anticipate, that at some point 531 the conversation while we were
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