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literaturuli gazeTi
_ ramdenime literaturuli
premiis mflobeli brZandebiT.
amasTan zogierTis JiuriSic giwevdaT
yofna. ramdenad sapasuxismgebloa
sxva adamianis bedis gadawyveta
romeli mdgomareoba ufro
`Tqvenia~
_ Jiuris wevroba, garkveuli angariSiT,
kanonzomierebaa, premiis
miReba _SemTxveviToba. SemTxveviToba,
rogorc metad adamianuri ram,
CemTvis ufro misaRebia, vidre dialeqtikuri
kanonzomiereba. xumroba
iqiT iyos da ioli marTlac ar aris
Jiuris wevroba. siaxle ar iqneba, Tu
vityvi, rom premiebi ZiriTadad subieqturi
kriteriumebiT nawildeba: `es
Cveniania, is _ ara,~ an `amas vicnobT,
imas _ ara.~ teqsti, rogorc aseTi,
konkursSi naklebad monawileobs.
Tumca gamonaklisebic aris.
TiTqos miveCvie Jiuris wevris
rols, gulisgulSi Tavi mainc satrapi
mgonia. Tumca damarcxebulni ufro
met simpaTias iwveven CemSi, vidre gamarjvebulebi.
daCagrulebis mcvelad
ar vvargivar, magram CemTvis mainc vimeoreb
xolme: `balaxi viyo saTibi, ara
mwadian celoba.~
_ `rogor unda weros qarTvelma
mweralma, rom nobelis premia moipovos
nuTu ise, rogorc iaponeli
nobeliantebi weren! ra Tqma unda,
ara! mibaZvis orientirad arc iaponuri,
arc dasavluri da saerTod,
aranairi literatura ar gamodgeba,
radgan mibaZva mibaZvaa da mas seriozul
literaturul faqtad aravin
aRiarebs. maS, rogor vweroT rogor
da qarTulad, evropuli azrovnebis
konteqstSi~. _ es aris nawyveti Tqveni
erT-erTi werilidan. gegulebaT
Tu ara Tanamedrove realobaSi
qarTveli avtori, romelic am premias
imsaxurebs
_ am sityvebs naxevrad xumrobiT
vwerdi da ar megona, Tu yuradRebis
Rirsi gaxdeboda. nobelis premia literaturisTvis
panacea ar aris _ ai,
gveyoleba nobelianti da davdgebiT
erad sxva erTa Soris. es iluziaa.
nobeliantoba ar aris xarisxis sinonimi.
mxolod fuli da reklamaa.
ramdenime qarTveli mwerali meguleba,
romlebic, ukacravad da, jibeSi
Caisvamen, magaliTad, vidia naipolsa
da jon kutzees, kidev ramdenimes.
_ rogor fiqrobT, ramdenad realuria
mocemul pirobebSi es premia
Tundac Rirseulma qarTvelma
avtorebma miiRon
_ Cemi recepti aseTia: Tu gsurT
miiRoT nobelis premia, dawereT antirasistuli
romani an daupirispirdiT
mSobliur xalxs da gaxdiT devnili,
droebiT mainc. warmateba garantirebulia.
ise, stokholmi rom daaintereso,
bevri ram aris gasakeTebeli. pirvel
rigSi, saWiroa qarTuli literaturivane
amirxanaSvili:
`teqsti umkiTxvelod ar arsebobs~
dasasruli
is kvalificiuri Targmanebi inglisur
enaze.
_ es Zalze aucilebeli da saSuri
saqmea, Tumca, am mxriv saqme mTlad
kargad ar gvaqvs. xom ar gifiqriaT,
ra aris mizezi
_ keTili nebis arqona. raRacis
gakeTeba Tu ginda, jer unda iyos neba,
Semdeg nebeloba da saqme. samwuxarod,
ar arsebobs kulturuli politika,
erTiani Zalebi da mTavari _ fuli,
magram es yvelaferi gamoCndeba, Tu
iqneba neba, survili, wadili, Jini da
gadawyvetileba.
_ Tqveni Canawerebis wigni `Tavisuflebis
paradoqsebi,~ romelic
gamomcemloba `inteleqtma~ gamosca,
saintereso masalaa mkiTxvelisTvis.
TqvenTvis, rogorc avtorisTvis,
riT aris mniSvnelovani
mkiTxvelTan am formiT urTierToba
_ Cvens literaturas raRac formiT
aklda gaxsniloba, uSualoba,
pirdapiroba, gulaxdiloba. `Canawerebma~
garkveulwilad Seavso es
xarvezi. madlobeli var `inteleqtis,~
romelmac am ukve popularuli seriis
Rirsad CamTvala.
siamovnebiT vkiTxulob am wignebs.
sxva samyaroa, sxva garemo, surneli,
saganTa sxva rigi, sxva ganwyoba. rogor
axlos modis avtori, rogor gecnoba
da geZvirfaseba is, rasac Soridan
xedavdi, da ai, pirdapir Sen Tvalwin
cocxldeba yovelive, rac samudamod
gamqrali da miviwyebuli gegona.
gansakuTrebiT minda aRvniSno Cemi
didi maswavleblebis, oTar CxeiZisa da
vaxtang WeliZis Canawerebi, romlebic
raRac ucnauri, sixarulnarevi nostalgiiT
wavikiTxe.
_ isev Tqvens wignze gkiTxavT,
ufro sworad mis saTaurze. ramdenadac
SesaZlebeli iqneba, mokled
CamogviyalibeT, raSi mdgomareobs
Tavisuflebis paradoqsebi
_ 1988 Tu 1989 welia. veris xididan
marjaniSvilis quCaze movdivar. uceb
vxedav, romeliRac maRaziis win jgle-
Taa, oci-ocdaaTi kaci, Segundavebuli,
drtvinavs. aris erTi wioki da
zedaxora. erTmaneTs fexebSi uZvrebian,
TavzemoT gadadian. amazrzeni sanaxaobaa.
vkiTxe, ra xdeba-meTqi. `salamandrebs~
yidian, fexsacmelebso.
maSin vTqvi, vai, sacodavi saqarTvelos
brali, Tu marTla gavTavisufldiT-meTqi.
cota xanSi `salamandras~ rigma
erovnul masStabebs miaRwia. rom gvegona
Tavisufleba pasuxismgeblobas
moitanda, upasuxismgebloba moitana;
rom unda moetana wesrigi, moitana
uwesrigoba; rom unda moetana mSvidoba,
moitana omi; rom unda moetana
mTlianoba, moitana rRveva.
ai, kidev paradoqsi: isev vxedav
`salamandras~ rigs, romelic Cems
sulSi borgavs da drtvinavs.
esaubra nana kobaiZe
gogi xarabaZe:
dasasruli
ar vuwodebdi, CemTvis is ilia Wav-
WavaZis saxelobis premiaa. ase aRviqvi,
ase miviRe.
jildos Sefasebis ramdenime er-
Teuli arsebobs. pirveli _ xalxis
xmaa. ar unda gaCndes SekiTxva: `ratom
amkoben mavans dafnis gvirgviniT, riT
daimsaxura, an ra gaakeTa~ meore _
vinaoba da saxeli im pirovnebisa, visi
saxelobis jildoc rigdeba; mesame _
Tavad mimniWebelia. did pativs vcem
Cemi dajildovebis ideis avtorebs,
sxvagvarad jildos ar miviRebdi, radgan
erTguli var sulxan-sabas Segonebisa:
`glaxakisagan Cuqeba nu ginda~.
bolo aTi weli Sinagan emigracia-
Si viyavi, bibliasa da qarTuli sityvierebis
Sedevrebs vwerdi diskebze
da ilias SeZaxili _ `awmyo Tu ara gwyalobs,
momavali Senia~ _ maZlevda
Zalas, miCvenebda gzas.
_ Tqvens audioCanawerebSi mTeli
qarTveli mwerlobaa warmodgenili,
magram SeuZlebelia, rogorc mkiTxvels,
Tqveni rCeuli ar gyavdeT.
_ unda giTxraT, rom ar var aseTi
SekiTxvis momxre. roca vkiTxulob
puSkins, ar vfiqrob galaktionze,
galaktionis kiTxvisas, akaki ar maxsendeba.
`mTawminda Cafiqrebula, Sehyurebs
ciskris varskvlavsa~ an `ram
Semqmna adamianad, ratom ar movel wvimada~
_ gana, SesaZlebelia, akakis an
vaJas sityvebze vinme sxva magondebodes
ara mxolod Zvelebidan, Cemi
Tanamedove avtorebidanac _ murman
lebaniZe, oTar WilaZe, ana kalandaZe,
muxran maWavariani _ gamiWirdeba
vinmes gamoyofa. romeli metad miyvars,
ver vityvi.
_ sainteresoa Tqveni azri Targmanis
xelovnebaze. vgulisxmob,
rogorc ucxouri literaturis
qarTulze gadmoRebas, ise qarTuli
mwerlebis Targmnas ucxo enebze.
_ Cemi SviliSvilebi kargad
floben ucxo enebs, Tumca ar ician
rusuli. misi Seswavlis didi survili
aqvT. warmomidgenia ramdenad naklulevani
iqneboda Cemi literaturuli
samyaro dostoevskis, Cexovis, tolstois,
gogolis, cvetaevas, axmatovas,
blokis, pasternakis gareSe. mTeli
msoflio aRiarebs am avtorebs, Cven
maT dednidan vkTxulobdiT. rac Seexeba
Targmanebs, ramdenime kargi nimuSi
wamikiTxvas, maT Soris _ pasternakiseuli
`cisa fers~, geronti qiqoZiseuli
`wiTeli da Savi~, niko yiasaSvilis
_ `ulise~.
saqme is gaxlavT, rom mTargmnelobiTi
skola, albaT igive SeiZleba iTqvas
xelovnebisa Tu mecnierebis sxva
skolebze, saqarTveloSi ver Seiqmna.
Cven viciT genialuri xelovanebi, didi
mecnierebi, magram isini wavidnen da
maT adgilas sicariele darCa. kinosa
da Teatris magaliTze mogaxsenebT:
raSi mdgomareobs qarTuli Teatris
fenomeni marjaniSvilis, axmetelis,
sturuas, ramdenime didi reJisoris
14 - 27 dekemberi 2012
`es Cemi arCevania~
gareSe an ra iqneboda qarTuli kino
oTar ioseliani, mixeil kobaxiZe, sxva
genialuri Semoqmedni rom ara ramaz
CxikvaZe gamobrwyinda, Seqmna epoqa da
gaqra. samoci wlisam datova Teatri,
oTxmocdaorisa gardaicvala,
ocdaori wlis ganmavlobaSi aravin
gaixsena igi, ise gavuSviT am cxovrebidan,
araferi davitoveT misgan.
igives vityvi sergo zaqariaZeze, akaki
xoravaze, erosi manjgalaZeze, isini
individebi iyvnen, magram erTeulebi
verafers cvlian. aseTebis niWs,
SesaZleblobas, codnas, gamocdilebas
Tu ver aiTviseb, maTi Semoqmedebis
als suls Tu ar Seuberav da sxvaze ar
gaavrceleb, rodesme isini wavlen,
Caqrebian da maT nacvlad sicariele
darCeba. Cven vsaubrobdiT qarTveli
mTargmnelebis ostatobaze, samwuxarod
mxolod maTi Targmanebi ar aRmoCnda
sakmarisi imisTvis, rom skola
Seqmniliyo.
samwuxarod, dro ar maqvs, xSirad
vikiTxo Tanamedrove ucxoeli mwerlebis
wignebi. Zalian momwons Joze
saramago, orhan famuqi. mikvirs, paolo
koelio erT-erT saukeTeso mwerlad
rom iTvleba, Tumca Tavisi mkiTxveli
albaT masac hyavs. TviTmfrinaviT
mgzavrobisas `alqimikosiT~ erTxel
mec Seviqcie Tavi.
_ axalgazrda qarTvel avtorebs
icnobT
_ maT Sesaxeb bevrs verafers
getyviT. me vicnob aka morCilaZis
Zalian karg romans `gadafrena mada-
Tovze~. sxva qarTveli avtorebis namuSevrebsac
vecnobi drodadro, magram
mimdinare literaturul procesebSi
Rmad Caxeduli ar var da Tavs
uflebas ver mivcem, axalgazrda mwerlebze
vilaparako.
_ momavalSi ra audioproeqtebs
unda elodes Tqveni msmeneli
_ TiTqmis mzadaa proeqti savaraudo
saxelwodebiT `ymawvilebs~. mas-
Si rCeuli ucxouri zRaprebi Seva, ori
diski qarTul xalxur zRaprebs daeTmoba,
warmodgenili iqneba oskar uaildis
sami moTxroba, gogebaSvilis `iavnanam
ra hqmna~, vaJa-fSavelas `xmeli
wifeli~, `Svlis nukris naambobi~ _
sul rva diski. alboms ialqniani navis
formas mivcemT, kompaqtdiskebi ki
`navze~ maSveli rgolis adgilas iqneba
ganTavsebuli. Cawera dasrulebulia,
mxolod teqnikuri mxaris mogvareba
dagvrCa.
meore proeqti ilia WavWavZes ukav-
Sirdeba. rva noembers, saguramoSi
yofnisas, Cavifiqre, momemzadebina
iseTive audiowigni, rogoric sxvadasxva
dros, akakis, vaJasa da galaktionis
saiubileo TariRebs mivuZRveni.
rogorc giTxariT, ilias sami diski
ukve Cawerili maqvs da Sesulia albomSi
`sitkva.ge~. Canawerebs minda kidev
ramdenime teqsti davumato da dasrulebuli
saxe mivce.
ase rom, me sityva avirCie, sityvi-
Taa gajerebuli Cemi cxovreba, cnobiereba.
esaubra Tamar Juruli