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12 interviu literaturuli gazeTigamomcemelimarina cxadaia:22 ianvari - 4 Tebervali 2010`Cveni umTavresi prioriteti mkiTxvelisaTviserovnuli saganZuris miwodebaa~erTi megobari myavs, misi Svili daaxloebiT ori wlisaa. cota xnis winaT, deda-Svils gamomcemloba`pegasis” axalgamocemuli wigni `naninebi” aCuqes, romelic axalbeda dedebisa da maTi CvilebisTvisaa.`naninebs” Tan erTvis audio Canaweri, romelSic avtori mariam wiklauri, kompozitor zurab mJaviasaraCveulebrivi melodiis TanxlebiT, leqsebs kiTxulobs. Zilis win, `saRiRino” leqsebs - Tbil naninebs,deda patara elenikos jer TviTon ukiTxavs, Semdeg ki, audio Canaweris saSualebiT asmeninebs. CvilsZilispiruliviT Caesmis naninebi, mis gareSe aRarc iZinebs. rogorc ki oTaxSi, mSvenier melodiasTanerTad, nanina gaismeba, `deda, deda”, _ exmianeba eleniko. am mSvenieri wignis mimarT bavSvis damokidebulebisSesaxeb, megobars CemTvis araerTxel uTqvams. amitom, roca gamomcemloba `pegasis” direqtors,qalbaton marina cxadaias interviusTvis vewvie, SemTxveviT visargeble da elenikos Sesaxeb vuambe, Cvenisaubaric swored `naninebiT” daiwyo._ qalbatono marina, `naninebi” isgamocemaa, romlis Sinaarsica da vizualurimxarec organulad erwymiserTmaneTs. Tanamedrove gamocemeb-Si, maRalmxatvruli donis teqstisada STambeWdavad morgebuli vizualisamgvari erToba iSviaTia. Tumca,Tqveni wignebi aseTi sinTeziT gamoirCeva.`naninebSi” Sesuli leqsebida masze TandarTuli audioCanawerimkiTxvelSica da msmenelSicsaocrad dadebiT emocias iwvevs.amave dros, igi, Tu SeiZleba iTqvas,Zalian `qarTuladaa” gaformebuli..._ `naninebi” Cemi sayvareligamocemaa. leqsebis avtori, mariamwiklauri, Zalian saintereso poetia.igi wers rogorc bavSvebisTvis, aseveufrosebisTvis. wignSi, romelic axalbedadedebisTvisaa gankuTvnili,Tormeti nanina Sevida. es leqsebidedebma, an bebiebma Cvilebs Zilis winunda ukiTxon da Semdeg Canaweri moasmeninonxolme. wignis mxatvroba CemsZmas, gia cxadaias ekuTvnis. mas Tbilisissasuliero akademiis xelovnebaTmcodneobisfakulteti aqvsdamTavrebuli. mogexsenebaT, naninebisulieri ganwyobis matarebeli leqsebia,amitom giam, wignis gaformebisas,garkveuli religiuri xasiaTis ornamentebicgamoiyena. gamocemas TanerTvis, aseve, dedis locva. roca Svilebipatarebi myavda, maSin sabavSvowignis didi arCevani ar iyo, amitomvwuxdi, vfiqrobdi ra wamekiTxa maT-Tvis. axla suraTi Secvlilia...vfiqrob, `naninebi” kargi saaxalwlosaCuqaria dedebisTvis da saSualebasaZlevs maT, Svilebi mcire asakidanveqarTul erovnul saganZurs aziaron.saerTod, Cveni gamomcemlobisprioriteti bavSvebisTvis, mozardebisada studentebisTvis erovnulisaganZuris miwodebaa. amave dros,vcdilobT, gamocemebis vizualurimxare evropuli standartebis Sesabamisiiyos. bolo wlebSi, saqarTvelo-Si, sagamomcemlo saqme sagrZnobladganviTarda, bevri saintereso wignidaido. Cemi azriT, ucxouridan TargmnilisabavSvo wignebi, maTi mimzidvelivizualis miuxedavad, Sinaarsobrivadmdarea. teqstebi dasavlurimentalitetis mqone bavSvebisTvisaaSeqmnili, maT ki sxva fsiqologia, gansxvavebuliazrovnebis stili aqvT.gamomcemloba `pegasi” qarTvel bavSvebserovnul wiaRSi Seqmnil literaturassTavazobs. Cven Zalian ma-Ralmxatvruli teqstebi gvaqvs,rogorc sabavSvo, ise ufrosebisTvis.vcdilobT gamocemebi STambeWdavadgavaformoT da mkiTxvels ase mivawodoT._ gamomcemloba `pegasi” 2006wels dafuZnda. am xnis ganmavloba-Si, or aTeulze meti wigni gamoeciT,isini sxvadasxva mimarTulebasa daJanrs ganekuTvnebian. minda Tqvenipirveli literaturuli seriis ìlustrirebulibiografiis” SesaxebmesaubroT..._ sagamomcemlo saqmianoba mar-Tlac am seriiT daviwyeT. ìlustrirebulibiografiis” pirveli wigniakaki baqraZis ìlia WavWavaZe” iyo. amnawarmoebs mkiTxveli kargad icnobs,pirvelad igi gamomcemloba `nakadulma”1984 wels dabeWda. winagamocemebisgan gansxvavebiT, `pegasis”ìlia WavWavaZe” uxvadaa ilustrirebuli,teqsts unikaluri fotoebierTvis. wignis redaqtori da gamomcemelialaSa baqraZe, manve moiZia esiSviaTi saarqivo foto-masala.vfiqrob, am wignis gamocema CvenTviskargi dasawyisi iyo.ìlustrirebuli biografiebis”meore wigni maleve gamovida. es gaxldaTstendalis mier Seqmnili literaturuliCanaxati `leonardo da vin-Ci”. wignSi martivi da popularulieniTaa moTxrobili didi xelovaniscxovreba da is ambebi, cnobili nawarmoebebisSeqmnas rom ukavSirdeba.vfiqrob, stendalis TvaliT danaxulida vinCi Zalian sainteresoa. feradilustraciebad TviT am didi mxatvrisnamuSevrebi gamoviyeneT. amanTiTqos ufro Sekra gamocema, Taviseburisaxe misca.mesame wigni `zigmund froidi” gaxlavT.misi avtoria germaneli hansmartinlomani. igi froidis Semoqmedebisanalizs ar gvTavazobs,aramed misi cxovrebisa da zogadad,saqmianobis Sesaxeb mogviTxrobs.seriis axali wigni gamosacemadukve mzaddeba. mkiTxvels, amjerad,mixeil javaxiSvilze movuyvebiT. seriagagrZeldeba. am SemTxvevaSic, gamomcemlobisZiriTadi orientiriaxalgazrdobaa;msoflios cnobiladamianebze maT rac SeiZleba metiunda icodnen._ memuaruli literatura Tqvenigamomcemlobis erT-erT mimarTulebaswarmoadgens. Zalian sainteresiproeqti iyo cnobili qalbatonis,babo dadianis CanawerebisSekreba-gamocema..._ mogexsenebaT, babo dadianmametad rTuli cxovreba ganvlo.SvilebTan erTad, igi xuTjer iyo gadasaxlebuli.misma qaliSvilma, dedisgardacvalebis Semdeg, miagno Canawerebs,romelSic babo dadiani Tavisicxovrebisa da gancdebis Sesaxeb yveba.niWierma literatorma nino xoferiammasalas Tavi mouyara da gamosacemadmoamzada. `dRiurebis” mimarT interessisic zrdis, rom wignSi qalbatonibabos foto-arqivicaa Sesuli. saubariadaaxloebiT rvaas unikalur fotoze,romelzec qarTveli aristokratiaagamosaxuli. babo dadianisTvisZalian Zvirfasi iyo es fotoebi, gadasaxlebebSicmalulad Tan daqonda daSeiZleba iTqvas, sicocxlis safrTxeSiCagdebis fasad, SeinarCuna, gadaarCinaes arqivi. `mogonebaTa dRiurs” kompiuteruliversia erTvis. àristokratulisaga” - ase ewodeba Canawers,romelSic babo dadiani TiToeulifotosuraTis Sesaxeb Tavad gviambobs.gamoveciT, aseve grigol abaSiZismogonebebi. gamocema mwerlis vaJma daqaliSvilma moamzades. ...Tavis droze,roca batoni grigolis `laSarela”gamovida, literaturul wreebsa da sazogadoebaSididi miTqma-moTqma atyda.mogexsenebaT, `laSarelaSi” saqar-Tvelos istoriis erT-erTi mZime periodi- mefe laSa-giorgisa da mefe rusudanismmarTvelobis epoqaa aRwerili;imdroindeli sinamdvile, sxvadasxvaistoriuli wyaros gaTvaliswinebiT,mxatvruladaa gadmocemuli.qveynis ubedurebis mizezi, gareSe faqtorebisgarda, avtorma qarTvelTaxasiaTSi dainaxa da Seecada eTqva, romproblema xSirad CvenSivea. amas didivnebaTaRelva mohyva. grigol abaSiZemweralTa kavSiris sxomaze simarTlisaTvisgaakritikes, Zalian atkinesguli da sityvis Tqmis saSualebac armisces. mogvianebiT, man sapasuxo werilidawera. es `pasuxi” Cvens miergamocemul mogonebebis wignSia Sesuli..._ grigol abaSiZis `laSarelaze”saubrisas, `pegasis” mier gamocemuli`waTes wiTeli waRebi” gamaxsenda.am piesis gamo, Tavis droze, batonoTar WilaZesac auxirdnen..._ `waTes wiTel waRebsac” Tavisi istoriaaqvs. Teatris scenaze piesisganxorcieleba araerTxel scades.afiSebi dabeWdili iyo, bileTebi – gayiduli,magram, rogorc Cans, maSindelxelisufals moeCvena, rom piesaSi iseTTemebze mianiSnebdnen, mas rom ar siamovnebda.speqtaklma sabWoTa cenzuraver gaiara da repertuaridan moxsnes...aRsaniSnavia, rom oTar WilaZis piesebi-`waTes wiTeli waRebi” da `labirin-Ti” - wignad pirvelad gamovida. is CvengamoveciT.batoni Tamaz WilaZis bolo romanic,`breigelis mTvare”, `pegasSi” daibe-Wda..._ mkiTxvelis interesi daimsaxura,aseve, seriam `wamebis gziT”,romelic erTgvari gaxsenebaa imqarTvelebisa, represiuli reJimissimware rom gamoscades. maTi cxovrebismagaliTze sabWoTa epoqismTeli siave Cans..._ seriis - `wamebis gza” – pirveliwigni gia Wubabrias xelmZRvanelobiTgamoica. batoni gias deida, qalbatoniliziko qavTaraZe, SeiZleba iTqvas,sabWoTa disidentebamdeli disidentiiyo, ocdarva weli gulagSi gaatara.wignSi is Tavisi cxovrebis mZimewlebze yveba da ixsenebs adamianebs –maT Soris araerT cnobil moRvawes_ masTan erTad rom gamoiares is satanjveli._ sagamomcemlo bazarze `pegasis”warmatebis erT-erTi ganmapirobebeli,vfiqrob, avtorebisa dateqstebisadmi Tqveneuli midgoma,damokidebulebaa. literaturisSerCevisas yovelTvis swor arCevansakeTebT, mxedvelobaSi maqvs patrikourJednikis didebuli satira..._ patrik ourJednikis èvropeana”Cveni axali wignia. proeqtis avtoribatoni vaxtang rodonaia gaxlavT.wigni misi iniciativiT gamoica.èvropeana” - XX saukunis mokleistoria - Tanamedrove Cexi mwerlisbrwinvale satiras warmoadgens.es gaxlavT absurdisa da burleskissuliskveTebiT gamsWvaluli erTgvaristilisturi eqsperimenti. wign-Si Tavmoyrilia yvela sisulele, racki kacobriobas gasul aswleulSiCaudenia. èvropeanaSi” XX saukunewarmogvidgeba rogorc ritorikulifigura, rogorc fiqcia, absurdulilozungebis, uazro rwmena-warmodgenebisada stereotipebis daundobelimiqsi. wigni msoflio bestselerigaxlavT. 2001 wels, CexeTSi is `wliswignad” aRiares. Targmnilia ocdaerTenaze. Cexuridan Targmna qalbatonmagiuli leJavam.axla kidev erT proeqtze vfiqrobT,gvainteresebs literaturaqveynebisa, romlebic yofili socialisturibanakis wevrebi iyvnen daSemdeg ganviTarebuli dasavleTissivrceSi gadainacvles, Crdiloatlantikurialiansis wevrebi gaxdnen.gvaqvs survili aseT qveynebSi Seqmni-
22 ianvari - 4 Tebervali 2010literaturuli gazeTiinterviu13li literaturuli nimuSebi vTargmnoT.es iqneba erTgvari dokumenturiproza, romelic mkiTxvels daanaxebs,Tu ra gza gaiares sxvebma da ra etapebisgadalaxva mouxdaT maT...vcdilobT, sazogadoebis majiscemasmivugdoT yuri. mivawodoTliteratura, romelic mas sWirdeba,ainteresebs da rac mniSvnelovaniamisTvis. ZiriTadad, mainc axalgazrdebzevfiqrobT, maTTvis virjebiT.momavali Taoba Zalian mcodne,ganaTlebuli unda iyos. farToTvalsawieri da saerTaSorisogamocdilebis floba daexmareba maTes rTuli, gardamavali istoriuliperiodi naklebad mtkivneulad ganvlon._ qalbatono marina, radgansaubari ucxour litaraturas,Targmanebs Seexo, minda mxatvruliTvalsazrisiT kidev erTi ZalianRirebuli wignis Sesaxeb gkiTxoT,mas `dideba Senda” hqvia da sxvadasxvaepoqaSi Seqmnili RvTis sadideblebiskrebuls warmoadgens.wigns saukeTeso Targmani gamoarCevs,igi qalbatoni manana gigineiSvilismieraa Sesrulebuli..._ `dideba Senda” marTlac gamor-Ceuli gamocemaa. qalbatonma mananamRvTis sadideblebi eqvsi enidan Targmna.es fantastikuri Targmania. masveekuTvnis winasityvaoba, romelSichimnografiuli dargis warmoSobasada istoriaze mogviTxrobs, mis mniSvnelobaze,arsze, `gamouTqmelisgamoTqmis” ostatebze gvesaubreba.wignSi sxvadasxva religiuri mimarTulebisavtorTa sagaloblebiawamodgenili. Zalian saintereso masalaaTavmoyrili. amdenad, es gamocemaZalian mniSvnelovania CemTvis._ cnobilia, rom gqondaT mcdelobaqarTveli avtorebi ucxo enazegeTargmnaT..._ Cven germanulad vTargmneT akakibaqraZis ìlia WavWavaZe”. germanulenovanigamocema frankfurtiswignis saerTaSoriso bazrobaze,romelSic `pegasi” yovelwliuradmonawileobs, garkveuli raodenobiTgaiyida. Tumca, samwuxarod, sazRvargareTwignis did tiraJiT realizebissaSualeba ar mogveca. mogexsenebaT,es ioli ar aris, Tumca, amazevmuSaobT._ qalbatoni marina, TanamedroveqarTveli avtorebis nawarmoebebsxSirad beWdavT?_ 2009 wels axalgazrda avtoris,nino sadRobelaSvilis romani òrsuli”gamoveciT. saintereso nawarmoebia,cxovrebiseuli romani gaxlavT.avtori sakmaod aqtualur Temebsexeba da Tanamedrove qarTveliqalis gancdebze mogviTxrobs.aqve, minda vaxseno, qalbaton lianaanTelavas nawarmoebi `dedofali”,romelic `pegasma” 2008 wels gamosca.`dedofali” saintereso kuTxidandanaxuli istoriuli ambavia, esaawigni didmowame qeTevanze. misi cxovrebisada mowameobrivi aRsasrulisSesaxeb araerTi werilobiTi wyaro arsebobs.avtorma, saTqmelis ukeT gadmosacemad,literaturuli kinoscenarisforma airCia. wignis mxatvrobabaton gia buRaZes ekuTvnis._ `pegasi” qarTul poeziasac ufr-Txildeba.. ramdenadac vici, ana kalandaZisbolo krebuli Tqven gamoeciT..._ gamocema poetis dabadebis oTxmocwlisTavs mieZRvna. masSi, Ziri-Tadad, religiur Temebze Seqmnilileqsebi Sevida. Tumca, poeziis garda,anas werilebs, sxvadasxvagvar literaturulCanaxatebsac movuyareT Tavi.wignma sxvaTa mier anaze gamoTqmulicdaitia. gamocemis Semdgenelia qalbatoniTina kobalaZe._ anam Tu naxa wigni?_ samwuxarod, mxolod sasignaloegzemplaris naxva moaswro..._ qalbatono marina, Tqveni gamomcemlobacnobili, saintereso da ni-Wieri adamianebis TavSeyris adgilia.dResac, sanam saubars daviwyebdiT,CemTvis Zalian avtoritetul da sayvarelliterators Sevxvdi. garemo,romelsac es xalxi qmnis, udavodTqvens sagamomcemlo saqmianobazecaisaxeba. `pegasSi” Rrma literaturuliideebi da saintereso proeqtebiibadeba..._ profesiiT pediatri var. sagamomcemlosaqmeSi meuRlis survilisada rCevis gaTvaliswinebiT Cavebi. is`saqarTvelos macnes” xelmZRvanelobs,swored am gamomcemlobis Svilobilia`pegasi”. SemiZlia vTqva, romCveni gamomcemlobis irgvliv mar-Tlac Zalian saintereso xalxia Sekrebili.eseni mwerlebi, poetebi, literatorebiarian. maTTan urTierToba imdenadsainteresoa, rom vfiqrob, Cemimxridan, am saqmis wamowyeba, miuxedavadekonomikuri riskisa, namdviladRirda. qalbatoni manana gigineiSvili,batonebi Tamaz WilaZe, vaxtang rolavT,rom batoni zaza `busunsulebis”ilustraciebis avtoricaa.vfiqrob, wigni kargi saCuqaria mkiTxvelisTvis.amJamad, baton zazasTanerTad, axal proeqtze vmuSaobT._ weliwadSi daaxloebiT ramdenwigns gamoscemT?_ ase, aTamde._ am mxriv, 2009 weli SedarebiTdatvirTuli iyo, ase ar aris?_ diax, gasuli weli ufro nayofieriiyo. momavalSic bevri sainteresoproeqti gvaqvs Cafiqrebuli. rogorcgiTxariT, `saqarTvelos macnes” Svilobilikompania varT, sakuTari poligrafiulibaza gvaqvs, yvelafersCvens stambaSi vbeWdavT da es saqmessagrZnoblad gviadvilebs. gardaamisa, sruli sagamomcemlo cikli -redaqtireba, ilustraciebisa dadizainis Seqmna, kompiuteruli momsaxurebada yvela sxva etapi, romelicwignma unda `gaiaros” - adgilzexorcieldeba. amdenad, xarisxianigamocemis mosamzadeblad Zalian kargipirobebi gvaqvs._ ra tiraJiT beWdavT?_ maqsimaluri tiraJi, bazrisgaTvaliswinebiT, aTasi egzamplaria._ myidveli bevri yavs Tqvenswignebs?_ samwuxarod, visac Cveni wignebiainteresebs, visac Wirdeba aseTi literatura,mas wignis SeZenis saSualebanaklebad aqvs. mogexsenebaT, wigniiafi ar Rirs. xolo, materialuriTvalsazrisiT ukeTes mdgomareobaSimyof adamianebs, xSir SemTxvevaSi, sxvafaseulobebi gaaCniaT. amdenad, vergetyviT, Cveni gamocemebi kargad iyideba-Tqo.miuxedavad amisa, maincvcdilobT wigni mkiTxvelamde mivitanoT._ mkiTxvelis gansakuTrebuliinteresi romelma gamocemam gamoiwvia?_ gansakuTrebuli moTxovnaa seriazeìlustrirebuli biografia”.Zalian kargad gaiyida, aseve, babo dadianis`mogonebaTa dRiuri”. didi interesigamoiwvia wignma `msofliosmonarqebi”, romlis avtori batoni giaWanturiaa. igi sainteresodmogviTxrobs uklebliv yvela samefodinastiaze, rac dRes msoflioSi arsebobs.wigni unikaluri foto-masaliTaailustrirebuli._ albaT dameTanxmebiT, romqarTuli wignis xarisxi da aseve, gamomcemlobebsSoris konkurenciasakmaod maRalia..._ qarTuli gamocemis xarisxi, ukanasknelwlebSi, sagrZnoblad gaizarda.amas cnobilma TanamedroveqarTulma gamomcemlobebma Seuwyoxeli, maT Seqmnes konkurentunarianigaremo da Tamasa sakmaod maRlaaswies. es Zalian kargia. jansaRikonkurenciis upiratesoba imaSia, romgaiZulebs ar SeCerde, mudmivad axlisZiebaSi iyo da procesebs fexdafexmiyve. Tumca, gulistkiviliT mindaaRvniSno, rom qarTvel mwerals dResZalian uWirs. miuxedavad didi survilisa,gamomcemeli wigns didi tira-JiT ver beWdavs, amis saSualebas masdRevandeli socialuri foni, bazariar aZlevs. Tumca, bolo dros, saxelmwifomsaintereso proeqtebi SemogvTavaza.maTi ganxorcieleba bevrproblemas gamoasworebs. ase rom, wignisganviTarebis procesi TandaTanwin midis. muSavdeba, aseve, wignis popularizaciisprogramebi. cota xniswin, SvedeTidan am programis specialistebiCamovidnen, sakuTari gamocdilebagagviziares.rogorc mwerlis, ise gamomcemlisstimulireba, waxaliseba aucilebelia.bevri kargi avtori gvyavs. qarTudonaia,zaza abzianiZe da sxvebi CvenixSiri stumrebi, megobrebi arian. isinimniSvnelovan proeqtebs gvTavazoben...garda amisa, maTi daxmarebiT bevri ni-Wieri avtori gavicani. axalgazrda mweralTaSemoqmedebas, literaturuliperioduli gamocemebis meSveobiT,Tvals TviTonac intensiurad vadevneb.avtorebs vukavSirdebi, zogic TviTongvakiTxaven._ ramdenadac vici, sabavSvowignebis gamocema axlaxan daiwyeT..._ `saCuqari pegasisagan” – es gaxlavTsabavSvo proeqti, romlis ganxorcielebaccota xnis win daviwyeT.jer-jerobiT, seriis sami wigni gamoveciT– mariam wiklauris leqsebiskrebuli `natvrisTvalo mzisao”, irmamalaciZis moTxroba ònavari lukidroTa qveyanaSi” da italieli mwerlis,jani rodaris naklebadcnobilimoTxroba `gondola aCrdili”, romelliwignis ganviTarebisTvis ZalianmniSvnelovania is literaturulikonkursebi, TbilisSi rom imarTeba.Tumca, samwuxaroa, rom iseT popularulda cnobil konkurss, rogoric`sabaa”, saukeTeso sabavSvo wignisnominacia ar aqvs._ Tqveni gamomcemlobis ofisSiSemosvlisas, Cemi yuradReba didformatze amobeWdilma, jon rokfeleriscnobilma sityvebma miiqcia:`warmatebis saidumlo imaSia, romCveulebrivi saqmeebi araCveulebrivadkargad akeTo”. `pegasis” warmatebisformulac esaa?_ warmatebis misaRwevad, mTavariasaqmisadmi didi siyvaruli. gardaamisa, `pegasi” yovelTvis cdilobsmkiTxvels miawodos ara komerciuladmomgebiani, aramed mxatvruladmaRalxarisxiani, kargi literatura.SesaZloa, aseTi midgoma, biznesisTvalsazrisiT, gamarTlebuli arcaa,magram Cven am gziT mivdidvarT – gvindaCveni wignebi sazogadoebaSi zneobrivi,moraluri faseulobebisdamkvidrebas, miZinebuli erovnuligrZnobebis gamoRviZebas emsaxurebodes.vcdilobT, Cveni literaturiT,mkiTxvels sulierebasTan miaxloebissaSualeba mivceT.ic Tea nikobaZis mier, qarTuladpirvelad iTargmna. samive wigni uxvadaailustrirebuli da vfiqrob bavSvebsgaaxalisebs.minda gansakuTrebiT gamovarCiocnobili mwerlisa da literatoris,batoni zaza abzianiZis leqsebis krebuli`busunsulebi”. wigni iumoriTaagajerebuli da bavSvebisa da ufrosebisTviserTnairad saintereso daTavSesaqcevia. mniSvnelovani gaxesaubraTamar Juruli
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