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neli vardiaSvili<br />
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„qronika+”-Si daibeWda kud-is<br />
yofili maRalCinosnis, daTo kuxianiZis interviu. kuxianiZe dRes-<br />
dReobiT saqarTvelodan wasulia da ukrainaSi cxovrobs. igi<br />
saubrobs „nacionalebis” xelisuflebis dros saqarTveloSi<br />
Catarebul gaxmaurebul specoperaciebze, sadac kud-ic monawi-<br />
leobda. Savnabadis e. w. amboxis gamo Catarebul specoparaciaze<br />
ambobs, rom is adamianebi, romlebic am operaciaSi monawileobd-<br />
nen, ruseTidan imarTebodnen. mkiTxvelisTvis cnobilia, rom am<br />
operaciis dros gardaicvala gia krialaSvili, romlis saqmeze<br />
gamoZieba, jer kidev ar dasrulebula. intervius gamoqveynebis<br />
Semdeg, krialaSvilis da, qalbatoni lia daukavSirda redaqcias<br />
da sakuTari poziciis dafiqsireba iTxova.<br />
lia krialaSvili:<br />
_ wina xelisuflebis dros<br />
gansxvavebuli azris mqone adamianebi<br />
idevnebodnen. zogs xocavdnen,<br />
lodebs abamdnen da<br />
zRvaSi axrCobdnen, zogsac mTeli<br />
cxovreba dilegebSi awamebdnen.<br />
9 wlis ganmavlobaSi demokratia<br />
dasaflavebisa da miwas<br />
amofarebis tolfasi iyo.<br />
marTalia, amerikelebi im xelisuflebas<br />
demokratiis Suquras<br />
eZaxdnen, magram es iyo mkvlelebis<br />
seqta daviT kuxianiZeebis<br />
xelSewyobiT.<br />
_ Tqven icnobdiT kuxianiZ-<br />
es?<br />
_ ar vicnobdi da magis cnoba<br />
arc minda. ubralod, gavikiTxe,<br />
vin iyo da ras warmoadgenda.<br />
eg iyo naZirala, axalaias<br />
jgufis wevri, romelic yvelaferze<br />
midioda. nebismieri<br />
ramis gamkeTeblebi iyvnen da<br />
asrulebdnen kidec reJimis mier<br />
SekveTil davalebebs. rasac<br />
amboben, rom TiTqos prokuraturaze<br />
amJamad zewolaao, tyuilia.<br />
aseTi ram marTlac rom<br />
xdebodes, eseni dRes cixeSi iqnebodnen.<br />
faqtia, rom gareT<br />
dadian da interviuebsac aqveyneben.<br />
axla sapatimroebSi aRaravis<br />
aupatiureben da arc dapatimrebuli<br />
adamianebis naTesavebsa<br />
da ojaxis wevrebs iWeren.<br />
muxrovanis amboxis dros ki<br />
oTanaZis 21 naTesavi daakaves.<br />
maT Soris, erT-erTi iyo wlamde<br />
bavSvi, romelic uWmel-usmeli<br />
hyavdaT „modulis” SenobaSi<br />
gamoketili da mSoblebs<br />
emuqrebodnen, _ rasac geubnebiT,<br />
Tu ar ityviT, fexebiT<br />
davkidebT da cocxals gavxleCTo.<br />
kuxianiZe rom ambobs,<br />
viTom adamianebs axlac awamebeno,<br />
TviTon egenic xom midi-<br />
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an, Cvenebas aZleven da isev ukan<br />
gamodian da aba, asea? ase xdeboda<br />
winaT?!<br />
_ muxrovanis e. w. amboxis<br />
ambavze gadavideT. kuxianiZe<br />
ambobs, rom am amboxis mTavari<br />
mizani is iyo, rom samxedro<br />
nawilebi gamosuliyvnen, Tbi-<br />
lisis Semosasvlelebi diliT<br />
gadaketiliyo, Sinagan saqmeTa<br />
da Tavdacvis ministris likvidireba<br />
moexdinaT, an daekave-<br />
binaT... Semdeg unda Seqmniliyo<br />
droebiTi samxedro sabWo, ro-<br />
melic vadamdel saparlamento<br />
arCevnebs daniSnavda, burjanaZe<br />
moigebda da qveynis saTaveSi<br />
misi momxreebi movidod-<br />
nen. es iyo Tavidan bolomde<br />
rusuli specsamsaxurebis gaw-<br />
erili gegmao. ras ityviT am<br />
braldebebze?<br />
_ aranairi amboxi muxrovan-<br />
Si ar momxdara. es iyo maSindeli<br />
xelisuflebis mier uniWod<br />
dadgmuli speqtakli da amas<br />
emsxverpla Cemi Zma. Tu gia damnaSave<br />
iyo, is unda daeWiraT da<br />
kanoniT moeTxovaT pasuxi, magram<br />
maT gias mokvla hqondaT<br />
gaTvlili. es rom namdvilad<br />
ase iyo, gia RvalaZis interviudanac<br />
Canda. is ambobda, _ 4<br />
maiss kud-Si damakaves da miTxres,<br />
krialaSvili ukve „trupia”<br />
da koba kobalaZe dagvaWerineo.<br />
SegiZliaT, es interviu<br />
naxoT da darwmundebiT, rom<br />
simarTles vambob. es adamiani<br />
daakaves da iZulebuli gaxades,<br />
maT dadgmul speqtaklSi mieRo<br />
monawileoba. mere is mec Semxvda<br />
da dedaCemsac, orives bodi-<br />
Si mogvixada, faqtobrivad, Cemi<br />
Zma mis Cvenebas Seewira. man<br />
isic gviTxra, ra formebiTa da<br />
meTodebiT aiZules eTqva is,<br />
rac undodaT. Turme: rome-<br />
lia krialaSvili:<br />
`xelisuflebas<br />
unda axsovdes,<br />
rom isini Cveni<br />
biWebis sisxliT<br />
movidnen!~<br />
liRac saxlSi miiyvanes, furceli<br />
daudes da manac waikiTxa,<br />
rac dauwres. amas mohyva e. w.<br />
muxrovanis ambebi. diax, Cemi<br />
Zmis likvidacia dagegmili iyo,<br />
romelic zviad xaraziSvilma<br />
Seasrula. qalbatonma elisom<br />
miTxra, rom ruseTis mona var<br />
da ar vaprotesteb xaraziSvilis<br />
dawinaurebas. Tu naxavT<br />
Cems interviuebs televiziiT,<br />
an presiT mixvdebiT, rom amas<br />
yvelgan vaprotestebdi da Tu<br />
samarTali ar izeimebs, yovelTvis<br />
gavaprotesteb, sanam<br />
cocxali viqnebi.<br />
2008 wels omi wavageT, rac<br />
„nacionalebma” mogebad CaTvales,<br />
aRniSnes da taSfanduri<br />
nacxades. es adamianebi xalxs<br />
arc daarbevdnen, magram Cemi<br />
Zma am saqmeSi arafer SuaSi iyo.<br />
is ukrainaSi cxovrobda da 30<br />
aprils ramdenime dRiT Camovida<br />
saqarTveloSi.<br />
_ ratom Camovida?<br />
_ gia yofili samxedro mosamsaxure<br />
iyo. is gaxldaT ukraina-moldovis<br />
ataSe. roca ‘nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” movida<br />
xelisuflebaSi, Cemi Zma gadaayenes<br />
da iq prezidentis rwmunebulad<br />
niSnavdnen, magram giam<br />
uari ganacxada. ramdenjerme<br />
SesTavazes Tanamdeboba, magram<br />
uars eubneboda. roca vkiTxe,<br />
ratom iqceoda ase, miTxra, _ ar<br />
minda, am adamianebTan ver vimuSaveb,<br />
dRes damniSnaven da<br />
xval damiWeren. Sen xom ici,<br />
rom amaT binZur saqmeebs ver<br />
gavakeTebo.<br />
_ Tqveni Zma muxrovanis<br />
batalionSi rogor moxvda?<br />
_ ar vici, Cems Zmas vin daukavSirda,<br />
ratom aRmoCnda gia<br />
im dRes muxrovanSi, amas ver getyviT.<br />
eWvi maqvs, roca muxrovanSi<br />
situacia daiZaba, misi ganmuxtva<br />
undodaT, radgan Cems<br />
Zmas jarSi didi wona hqonda da<br />
did pativs scemdnen, etyoba,<br />
situaciis ganmuxtvaSi daxmareba<br />
sTxoves.<br />
_ vin sTxova?<br />
_ ar vici. im Rames gia CemTan<br />
darCa saxlSi. erTad viyaviT me,<br />
Cemi meuRle, Svilebi da gia.<br />
usinaTlo Svili myavs da RamiT<br />
is da Cemi Zma saubrobdnen.<br />
diliT, 9:30 saaTze, gaviRviZe<br />
da gia saxlSi aRar damxvda.<br />
mere televiziiT gavige, rom<br />
muxrovanSi raRac xdeboda da<br />
RvalaZis interviuc movismine.<br />
mas mere Cems ZmasTan kavSiri<br />
aRar mqonia. gia iq iqneboda<br />
samoqalaqo formiT, radgan mas<br />
samxedro forma ar hqonda.<br />
ukrainidan patara CemodniT<br />
iyo Camosuli da ambobda, orsam<br />
dReSi ukan unda davbrundeo.<br />
kaci, romelic viTom<br />
amboxs apirebda, or dReSi ukan<br />
rogor dabrundeboda? gias<br />
muxrovanSi yofnis dros alya<br />
Semoartyes muxrovans da<br />
monaTles, TiTqos iq amboxi<br />
mzaddeboda, rac Tavad muxrovanSi<br />
myofma biWebmac televiziiT<br />
Seityves. isini mizanSi<br />
hyavdaT amoRebuli da icodnen,<br />
rom radgan es saSineli adamianebi<br />
yvelaferze midiodnen,<br />
maT daiWerdnen da amitomac<br />
`ver gamigia dRevandeli prokuraturisgan,<br />
rom amboben, mtkicebulebebi ar ariso. is kaci<br />
gamovarda maSin da Tqva, gia krialaSvili<br />
miwidan amoiReTo. televiziiTac daido<br />
kadrebi, rom merabiSvili or gvams iTxovda.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, amaze premiebi gaica. siaSi<br />
pirveli erekle kodua weria, romelmac 5<br />
aTasi lari aiRo. 22-23 maiss gare perimetrze<br />
mdgarma xalxmac ki aiRo premiebi. imis<br />
mixedviT izrdeboda premia, vis ra wvlili<br />
hqonda Setanili am saqmeSi. Cemi TvaliT maqvs<br />
nanaxi es sia. cocxalma gvamma, merabiSvilma<br />
gasca es premiebi. me mas am saxels vuwodeb,<br />
radganac is CemTvis swored cocxali gvamia.<br />
amaT xma rogor amoeRebaT, dRevandeli<br />
mTavroba sustia, Torem eseni cixeSi unda<br />
lpebodnen da gareT ver dadiodnen~<br />
18<br />
vano merabiSvili<br />
gamarTes. 2009 wels daZabuli<br />
mdgomareoba iyo da opoziciam<br />
rusTavelze saknebis qalaqi<br />
moawyo. ase aprotestebdnen<br />
qveyanaSi Seqmnil mdgomareobas.<br />
rogorc vici, samxedroebs, reinjerebis<br />
batalionis biWebs<br />
mosTxoves aRlumze gamosvla<br />
da, amavdroulad, aqciis momwyobi<br />
moqalaqeebis darbeva. reinjerebis<br />
batalionisa da muxrovanis<br />
batalionis meTaurebi<br />
_ mamuka gorgiaSvili da levan<br />
amiriZe _ uSualod ibrZodnen<br />
2008 wlis omSi da iq biWebi<br />
daexocaT. Tu ar vcdebi, wina<br />
dRes aseve daapatimres amiriZis<br />
Stabis ufrosi, amitom aRlumze<br />
gamosvlaze maT uari ga-<br />
datoves muxrovanis samxedro<br />
nawilis teritoria. amis mere<br />
tyes afarebdnen Tavs da xelisuflebam<br />
jildoebi daawesa,<br />
vinc maT daiWerda. 200 aTasi<br />
18 N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.
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