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oTanaZeze iyo dawesebuli da<br />
50-50-aTasiani lari Cems Zmasa<br />
da levan amiriZeze. maTi Zebnis<br />
periodSi Tqven ar iciT, Cven ra<br />
dReSi viyaviT.<br />
_ Tqvenzec iyo zewola?<br />
_ diax, iyo. deda nucubiZeze<br />
cxovrobda, me _ vaJa-fSavelas<br />
quCaze. mTel ubans Semoartyes<br />
alya. Cems SviliSvils, 6-7 wlis<br />
bavSvs, skolaSic dahyvebodnen.<br />
me TeTri wyaroSi vmsaxurobdi<br />
da mec myavda moTvalTvale<br />
moCenili. Cems TanamSromels,<br />
visi manqaniTac davdiodi, masac<br />
dahyvebodnen. Rame „marSutkis”<br />
tipis avtomobili idga gverdiT<br />
korpusTan SeiaraRebuli<br />
xalxiT da ar vicodi, rodis Semomivardebodnen<br />
da ra moxdeboda,<br />
magram, etyoba, isic icodnen,<br />
rom CemTan gias kavSiri<br />
ar hqonda. yovel Rames SiSiT<br />
vaTenebdi, magram, netav, Semovardniliyvnen<br />
da CemTvis eqnaT<br />
rame, oRond Cemi Zma gadarCeniliyo.<br />
saxlis gverdiT saxanZro kibe<br />
adis. Turme, am kibezec ki isxdnen<br />
da ase gviTvalTvalebdnen.<br />
Cems zemoT mcxovrebi mezobeli<br />
qalbatoni 18 maiss sadarbazoSi,<br />
kibeze adioda, xeli<br />
staces da kud-Si dakiTxvaze<br />
waiyvanes. 7 saaTi gamoketili<br />
hyavdaT. mas uTqvams, _ Cemgan<br />
ra gindaT, misi da xom iciT,<br />
sadac aris da imas hkiTxeT, me<br />
ra unda vicode imis garda, rom<br />
es adamiani aris patiosani, patrioti<br />
pirovneba, misi cudi<br />
arasdros gagvigiao. upasuxiaT,<br />
_ misi da sisxliT naTesavia,<br />
amitom ufleba ar gvaqvs, davkiTxoTo.<br />
Cemi dakiTxva Tu ar<br />
SeiZleboda, aba, oTanaZis Zmebi<br />
da naTesavebi rogor miiyvanes<br />
kud-Si? rogorc giTxariT, patara<br />
bavSviTac ki moaxdines<br />
maTze zemoqmedeba.<br />
_ Tqven ratom mogeridnen<br />
da mxolod ratom giTvalT-<br />
valebdnen?<br />
_ ar vici! Cems qmars, Svilebs,<br />
mTel ojaxs gviTvalTvalebdnen<br />
Riad. ra Tqma unda,<br />
esec garkveuli zewola iyo. 20<br />
maiss televiziiT gavige, rom<br />
biWebi Cacxriles da Cemi Zmis<br />
saZebnad gaviqeci. qerCis quCaze<br />
mxolod manqana damxvda da iq<br />
ukve asfalts agebdnen. gias megobrebTan<br />
vrekavdi da vekiTxebodi,<br />
_ xom ar iciT, ra xdebameTqi?<br />
_ arao, _ meubnebodnen,<br />
magram, Turme, maTTvis yvelaferi<br />
cnobili iyo da icodnen,<br />
rom Cemi Zma cocxali aRar iyo.<br />
me kidev suleliviT mainc davdiodi<br />
da veZebdi Zmas. roca<br />
gavige, rom daWrilebi Rudu-<br />
SaurSi gadaiyvanes, iq wavedi.<br />
saavadmyofosac policiis alya<br />
hqonda Semortymuli. SeSveba<br />
viTxove da uari miTxres. isterika<br />
damemarTa. mkiTxes, _<br />
vin xaro da ar vuTxari Cemi<br />
gvari. _ moqalaqe var, eqimis<br />
naxva minda, avad var-meTqi da<br />
piradoba momTxoves. meuRlis<br />
gvarze var da amitom SemiSves,<br />
magram Tan erT-erTi policielic<br />
Semomyva. SigniT ukve kivili<br />
daviwye da policielis Tavidan<br />
mocilebas viTxovdi. mere<br />
eqimmac uTxra, cota xans gadiT,<br />
ver xedavT, qali ra dRe-<br />
Siao? marto rom davrCi, eqims<br />
fexebSi Cavuvardi da vTxovdi<br />
eTqva, vin iyvnen miyvanilebi<br />
saavadmyofoSi. gavige, rom iq<br />
gia ar iyo, amitom vifiqre, Cemi<br />
Zma cocxali iyo da arc daWrila.<br />
ras warmovidgendi, rom<br />
momiklavdnen. gamTeniisas movedi<br />
saxlSi da televiziiT Sevityve,<br />
rom gia mokles. dedam, 80<br />
wlis qalma, televiziiT gaigo<br />
Svilis sikvdili.<br />
_ kuxianiZe ambobs, rom<br />
Savnabadis batalionSi amboxs<br />
awyobdnen da es yvelaferi am-<br />
itom moxda. riT amtkicebT,<br />
rom es tyuilia?<br />
_ es aris zRaprebi, romelic<br />
maT moigones. raRac xom unda<br />
daebralebinaT am adamianebisTvis.<br />
amitomac gavmwardi mis<br />
interviuze. qalbatoni eliso,<br />
albaT, arafer SuaSi iyo, magram<br />
gamwarebulma davreke, _<br />
Cemi Zma mkvdari mainc moasveneT<br />
miwaSi-meTqi. gia rom rusebs<br />
ebrZoda, maT Cems Zmaze<br />
jildo hqondaT dawesebuli.<br />
egeni, vinc Cems Zmas aseTi ram<br />
damarTes, kuxianiZeebi, axalaiebi<br />
da sxvebi, maSin „wamlis” keTebiT<br />
iyvnen dakavebulebi. me,<br />
iciT, riT var bednieri? _ xalxi<br />
icnobs giasac da magaTac.<br />
gia saqarTvelosTvis ibrZoda<br />
erovnuli moZraobis drosac,<br />
samaCabloSic, afxazeTSic da me<br />
egeni iq ar minaxavs. aravis ar<br />
uTqvams, rom romelime maTgani<br />
omSi iyo da saqarTvelos suverenitets<br />
icavda. egeni maSin<br />
sazRvrebs gareT „gulaobdnen”<br />
mamikoebis fulebiT, wamlebs<br />
iCxerdnen, kazinoebSi dadiodnen.<br />
ai, rogori xalxi gvyavda 9<br />
weliwadi mTavrobaSi.<br />
ver gamigia dRevandeli<br />
prokuraturisgan, rom amboben,<br />
mtkicebulebebi ar ariso. is<br />
kaci gamovarda maSin da Tqva,<br />
gia krialaSvili miwidan amoi-<br />
ReTo. televiziiTac daido kadrebi,<br />
rom merabiSvili or<br />
gvams iTxovda. sxvaTa Soris, amaze<br />
premiebi gaica. siaSi pirveli<br />
erekle kodua weria, romelmac<br />
5 aTasi lari aiRo. 22-23<br />
maiss gare perimetrze mdgarma<br />
xalxmac ki aiRo premiebi. imis<br />
mixedviT izrdeboda premia, vis<br />
ra wvlili hqonda Setanili am<br />
saqmeSi. Cemi TvaliT maqvs nanaxi<br />
es sia. cocxalma gvamma, merabiSvilma<br />
gasca es premiebi. me<br />
mas am saxels vuwodeb, radganac<br />
is CemTvis swored cocxali<br />
gvamia. amaT xma rogor amoeRebaT,<br />
dRevandeli mTavroba<br />
N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
gia krialaSvili<br />
sustia, Torem eseni cixeSi unda<br />
lpebodnen da gareT ver dadiodnen.<br />
_ kuxianiZe ambobs, rom ar-<br />
sebobda Canawerebi, romelic<br />
muxrovanis amboxis monawile-<br />
Ta rusul kvals amtkicebs da<br />
axla gamqralia.<br />
_ ranairad gaqreboda Canawerebi?<br />
Tu aseTi Canawerebi<br />
hqondaT, ratom ar dades mtkicebulebad<br />
sasamarTloSi? xom<br />
Catarda oTanaZis, amiriZisa da<br />
danarCeni biWebis sasamarTlo?<br />
rogor fiqrobT, raime Canawerebi<br />
rom hqonodaT, ar dadebdnen?<br />
diax, dadebdnen da ras<br />
bodavs es adamiani, ver gavige!.<br />
2009 wels sasamarTlo rom Catarda,<br />
maSin vin gaaqro es Canawrebi,<br />
iqneb, isic Tqvas?<br />
_ kuxianiZis saubridanac<br />
Cans, rom man moaxerxa sazRvarze<br />
gadasvla da qveynis datoveba.<br />
xaraziSvili, romel-<br />
mac, rogorc amboben, Tqvens<br />
Zmas esrola, am xelisuflebam<br />
daawinaura. es ar gaRizianebT?<br />
ratom ar gaqvT amis gamo pretenzia<br />
prokuraturasTan, policiasTan?..<br />
vinc, wesiT, es ad-<br />
amianebi unda dasajos da amas<br />
ar akeTebs, mas ratom arafers<br />
eubnebiT da sTxovT?<br />
_ vCivi, rogor ar vCivi.<br />
dResac mqonda gamomZiebelTan<br />
saubari. rogor fiqrobT, me<br />
kmayofili viqnebi, Seuracxyofili<br />
da gaubedurebuli qali?<br />
roca muxrovanis kadrebi<br />
daido, gamomZiebelma dakiTxvaze<br />
damibara da miTxra, es kaci<br />
imsaxurebs imas, rom saqme<br />
gamoZiebuli iyoso. bodiSs gixdiT,<br />
rom gaWianurdao. axla<br />
mec aRar vici, ra vifiqro, ratom<br />
Wianurdeba saqme da yvelaferze<br />
ratom amboben, mtkicebuleba<br />
ar ariso. Tumca „nacionalebiviT”<br />
rom awamebdnen<br />
xalxs esenic, albaT, mtkicebulebebic<br />
eqnebodaT. lmobierad<br />
rom iqcevian da ase<br />
atareben dakiTxvebs, amis gamo<br />
ar aqvT mtkicebulebebic.<br />
_ imaze ar gifiqriaT, rom<br />
sanam xaraziSvili Tanamdebo-<br />
bazea, am saqmes dasruleba ar<br />
uweria?<br />
_ xaraziSvilma sakuTar uflebamosilebas<br />
gadaaWarba. mas<br />
SeeZlo, gia fexebSi daeWra, an<br />
sicocxlisTvis usafrTxo adgilebSi.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, gias erTi<br />
tyvia dundulaSi aqvs moxvedrili.<br />
Zalian mainteresebs, dundulaSi<br />
rogor moxvda tyvia,<br />
roca kaci skamze zurgiT ijda?<br />
ori tyvia muxlSi aqvs moxvedrili<br />
da erTi _ gulSi. swored<br />
gulSi moxvedrili tyviiT<br />
aqvs gaglejili gulis parkuWebi,<br />
filtvebi, RviZli, elenTa,<br />
aorta, yvelaferi. gia rom manqanidan<br />
gadmougdiaT, wixlic<br />
CaurtyamT, amas ukve deda aqvs<br />
…... mag naZiralebma ena gaaCumon.<br />
xalxs iqamde nu miiyvanen,<br />
rom samarTlianobis aRdgenas<br />
aRar daelodon. maT sakmaod<br />
acades xelisuflebas, Tumca<br />
qarTveli xalxi iseTi gonieria,<br />
rom, albaT, kidev acdis, raTa<br />
srulfasovnad aRadginon samarTlianoba<br />
da yvela damna-<br />
Savem agos pasuxi.<br />
davuSvaT, Cemma Zmam mar-<br />
Tlac Caidina raRac, razedac<br />
is unda dasjiliyo. vis hqonda<br />
ufleba, misi sicocxle xeleyo?<br />
cota xnis win gadatrialebaze<br />
rom saubrobdnen „nacionalebi”,<br />
aqedan TargamaZeebi<br />
da sxvebi hyvebodnen, ratom<br />
daibares dakiTxvaze da ar dacxriles<br />
ise, rogorc isini moeqcnen<br />
Cems Zmas? eseni xom Riad<br />
subrobdnen gadatrialebaze?<br />
an viTom TargamaZe rom aafe-<br />
Tqes da pretenziebi aqvs, damnaSveebs<br />
ar akavebeno, Tavad ratom<br />
dadis gareT?<br />
Tqven iciT, Cemi Zma micvalebuli<br />
rogori iyo? Tavi da<br />
gulmkerdi gadaxsnili hqonda,<br />
iRliebi, rogorc tomrebi, ise<br />
hqonda amokerili da Zafebi<br />
ekida. kaci iyo daCexili. me<br />
mgonia, micvalebulze iyares<br />
javri. gia imdenad Secvlili<br />
iyo, xalxi rom modioda, ambobda,<br />
rom ar vicodeT, gias panaSvidia,<br />
ver davijerebdiT mis<br />
sikvdilso, mec ki vfiqrobdi<br />
mere, iqneb, Cemi Zma arc iyo mkvdari-meTqi?<br />
gaognebuli var,<br />
ram Secvala ase micvalebuli?<br />
mainteresebs, gvami awames?<br />
ar vici, ratom awinaureben<br />
xaraziSvils axla, etyoba, mfarveli<br />
hyavs. saqarTvelo patara<br />
qveyanaa, yvela erTmaneTs<br />
icnobs da romelime maRalCinosani<br />
hyavs mfarveli masac.<br />
vici, rom roca es xelisufleba<br />
movida, zviad xaraziSvils<br />
xsnidnen, magram daireka da is<br />
Tanamdebobaze datoves. mere ki<br />
daawinaures. ukve arsebobs varaudi,<br />
rom mas erT-erTi maRalCinosani<br />
mfarvelobs. es xom<br />
saqarTveloa da aq kanonebi ar<br />
arsebobs...<br />
_ iciT, vin aris xaraziSvi-<br />
lis mfarveli?<br />
_ ar vici. etyoba, maRalCinosania<br />
da mag struqturaSi<br />
muSaobs. Cemze zewola gias gardacvalebis<br />
merec iyo. Cems ojaxSi<br />
sami weli arc erTs ar<br />
gvqonda muSaobis ufleba. Cemi<br />
Svili fexburTs TamaSobda, nakrebSi<br />
iyo da iqidanac gamou-<br />
Sves. Cemi ojaxi SimSiliT sikvdilisTvis<br />
gawires. gias megobrebi<br />
da axloblebi rom ar yofiliyvnen,<br />
dRes cocxlebi aRar<br />
viqnebodiT. amis mere Cemi<br />
bina TaRliTurad aRmoCnda bankSi,<br />
is binac wamarTves da<br />
dRes quCaSi var. amitom Tavis<br />
gakeTebul saqmeebze ilaparakon<br />
da am mTavrobas SeeSvan. amaT<br />
isic eyofaT, rasac sCadian.<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />
_ pirveli, yvelaze mTavari<br />
codva aris is, rom samarTlianoba<br />
ar aRdga. Cveni advokati<br />
naTia korkotaZe sxva biWebis<br />
sasamarTlos eswreboda da iq<br />
`aranairi amboxi muxrovanSi ar momxdara. es iyo<br />
maSindeli xelisuflebis mier uniWod dadgmuli<br />
speqtakli da amas emsxverpla Cemi Zma. Tu gia<br />
damnaSave iyo, is unda daeWiraT da kanoniT<br />
moeTxovaT pasuxi, magram maT gias mokvla hqondaT<br />
gaTvlili. es rom namdvilad ase iyo, gia RvalaZis<br />
interviudanac Canda. is ambobda, - 4 maiss kud-Si<br />
damakaves da miTxres, krialaSvili ukve `trupia~ da<br />
koba kobalaZe dagvaWerineo. SegiZliaT, es interviu<br />
naxoT da darwmundebiT, rom simarTles vambob. es<br />
adamiani daakaves da iZulebuli gaxades, maT<br />
dadgmul speqtaklSi mieRo monawileoba. mere is mec<br />
Semxvda da dedaCemsac, orives bodiSi mogvixada,<br />
faqtobrivad, Cemi Zma mis Cvenebas Seewira~<br />
Tqva, _ megona, saukunis procesze<br />
movdiodi da es dadgmuli<br />
speqtakli iyoo. magram<br />
mjera, rom „nacionalebi” yvela<br />
Cadenil danaSaulze ageben<br />
pasuxs adre Tu gvian. yvela ma-<br />
Ti danaSauli bolomde gamoCndeba<br />
da firebsac vnaxavT, radgan<br />
isini yvelafers iRebdnen.<br />
Cems Zmaze cuds egeni ver dadeben,<br />
radgan gia patrioti da mebrZoli<br />
iyo. is principebis gamo<br />
mokles, radgan biWebi xalxis<br />
dasarbevad ar gavidnen da<br />
aRlumi ar Cautares omSi uamravi<br />
jariskacis daRupvis mere.<br />
ra eaRlumebodaT, amdeni adamiani<br />
daexocaT da amxela teritoriebi<br />
dakarges!<br />
xelisuflebas xma imitom miveciT,<br />
rom samarTlianoba aRmdgariyo,<br />
yvela damnaSave dasjiliyo,<br />
romelTac danaSauli<br />
Caidines, magram am xelisuflebam<br />
es ar Seasrula da gulnatkeni<br />
var. es iyo maTi umTavresi<br />
dapireba. minda, axsovdeT, isini<br />
movidnen Cveni biWebis sisxliT<br />
_ robaqiZis, vazagaSvilis,<br />
girgvlianis, SaraZis sisxliT,<br />
amitom rac xalxis neba iyo, is<br />
unda Seasrulon.<br />
vTxov prokuraturas, vemudarebi<br />
maT, me-8 welia, dedaCemi<br />
gias gamo sikvdils elodeba<br />
da natrobs. iqneb, moaswron es<br />
moxuci, Svilmkvdari deda imas,<br />
rom misi Svilis mkvleli saTanadod<br />
daisajos da miwaSi masac<br />
gulnatkens nu gauSveben.<br />
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