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nino tabaRua maRali, Ria wablisferi TmiT da cisferi TvalebiT _ is yoveldRe dadis Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetis bib- lioTekaSi. bevrma ar icis, rom misi xma gansakuTrebulia. uy- vars is, rac gamosdis da hgonia, rom es musikis weraa. mReris imaze, rac awuxebs da grZnobs. mReris arCevnebze, religiaze da mReris saqarTvelos qalaqebze, mReris grZnobebze, masze, vinc ipova da mere gauSva, mReris froidze da foTze. teqsti _ martivi, marTali da yvela adamianTan yovelTvis axlo. biWs, warmoSobiT soxumidan, gazrdils TbilisSi, uyvars musika, Tumca jer saban- ko saqme da mere filosofiis magistraturis kursi daa- mTavra. dRes is musikoss uw- odebs Tavs. gaicaniT, es baCo jiqiZea, 28 wlis, musikosi, romelsac beThovenTan fizikuri siax- love akavSirebs... _ baCo, mogviyevi Senze... _ 28 wlis baCo jiqiZe var, miyvars musika da yvelaze bednieri var, roca im frazas vipovi, romelsac didxans veZebdi. _ amJamad ras saqmianob? _ musikas vwer. _ universitetSi ras Svrebi xolme yoveldRe? 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com davamTavre soxumis universitetSi da TsuSi magistraturaze filosofia viswavle... da, ra Tqma unda, musika, rac, ar miswavlia. dakvrac CemiT viswavle (eqimi, lideri, mewarme (viciniT). _ ratom airCie filosofia sabanko saqmis mere? _ es sakmaod ucnaurad moxda, SeiZleba, arc damijeroT: roca bakalavris xarisxi aviRe da vfiqrobdi, magistraturazec ekonomikurze gamegr- Zelebina, mag periodSi ucnauri ram damesizmra: antikur yaidaze gamowyobil saSualo asakis kacs xelSi wyliT savse Tasi eWira, Tasi gamomiwoda da miTxra: (qarTuli icoda) ba- Co, mosvi am Tasidan wyali da _ musikis weris dros ra grZnoba geufleba? _ Sen ra grZnoba geufleba, roca statias wer? roca kargi gamodis, gixaria, xom? roca ara, _ piriqiT. _ riT xar gansakuTrebuli da gamorCeuli, rogor ggo- nia? _ gansakuTrebuli ar var. SeiZleba, imdenad, ramdenadac yvela adamiania Taviseburad gansakuTrebuli, magram sxvebze metad _ ara. arc saintereso var, mgonia, magram ramdenadac es interviu saintereso adamianebze iwereba, amdenad unda vecado, saintereso viyo (icinis). _ rogoria Seni cxovrebis erTi dRe? _ Cemi dRe iwyeba herkulesis fafiT, mere mivdivar biblioTekaSi da vwer, an vkiTxulob, an arafers vakeTeb da movdivar saxlSi. ai, sul es aris. _ regularuli samsaxuri ar gaqvs? _ maqvs, oRond periodulad. _ sad? bankiri, _ xan _ sad, xan _ sad, maRaziebSi, sadme muSad, wignebsac vyiddi, yvelafers ver vityvi axla (icinis). _ risi keTeba giyvars yve- laze metad? _ yvelaze metad Zili miyvars, Zils arafris gamo davTmobdi. _ rogor wer teqstebs, romelic Zalian axlosaa msme- nelTan? ra aris inspiracia? _ me rom saidumlo gavTqva, yvela CemsaviT daiwyebs weras da es ar mawyobs (xumrobs). inspiraciebs rac Seexeba, isini adamianebi arian, maTi ganwyobebi, wamosrolili frazebi, ma- Tze gadaxdenili ambebi da a. S. _ vin aris Seni mesaidumle? _ arian egeTebi, visTanac SedarebiT metad gaxsnili xar, magram, zogjer, yvelafers Cems Tavsac ar vumxel. _ ramdenad iRbliani xar? _ dRemde rom cocxali da janmrTeli var, iRbliani gamovdivar. _ intervius vaZlev xolme (xumrobs). ZiriTadad, vkiTxulob. _ ra gaintersebs yvelaze metad? _ bolo dros ufro poezia. _ vin gitacebs? _ axla poemebs vkiTxulob, Cemi simRerebi, isini ufro ambavzea agebuli da poemebic xom esaa, iq raRac grZel ambebs riTmaven da yvela amas Taviseburad akeTebs. es Zalian sainteresoa. _ rodis daiwye wera pirve- lad? _ 24 wlis viyavi. _ ram STagagona? _ imedgacruebam, mere mixvdi, rom imedgacrueba bevr rames STagagonebs iseTs, rac SenTvis mniSvnelovani gaxdeba. _ sad swavlobdi? _ bakalavri _ sabanko saqme 36 Sen adamianTa da RmerTTa yvela saidumlos Caswvdebi. me Tasi gamovarTvi da davcale, magram roca verafers Cavwvdi da antikuri yaidis kaci aferistobaSi vamxile, is dainteresda, mqonda Tu ara raime saxis diplomi filosofiaSi? roca Cemgan uaryofiTi pasuxi miiRo, filosofiurze Cabareba mirCia, hoda, mec Cavabare. _ gadawyvetileba, romelic ginania. _ rogorc valeri leontievi ityoda, Cemi cxovreba aris didi sinanulis jaWvi (icinis). _ ratom? _ ase gamovida, ar vici. _ konkretuli rame aris, rac ginania da igives ar gaa- keTebdi? _ konkretulad ver gagimxel, magram Zalian bevrs rames. _ TviTon ra musikas usmen? _ ZiriTadad poet musikosebs: bob dilans, leonard koens, niq qeivs, joni qeSs, biTlzs, nil iangs... ar minda, vinme gamomrCes da ewyinos (icinis). qarTvelebidan aravin yofila iseTi, Cemze gavlena rom moexdina, raRac etapze Carkvians vusmendi, magram gadamwyveti gavlena ver iqonia, ver vityvi. _ ra aris yvelaze Zvirfasi SenTvis? _ saxlSi joni li hukeris naqoni mediatori maqvs, is Cemma megobarma Camomitana stokholmidan. Cems megobars jonis misamarTiT raRac replika usvria, rac musikoss ar mowonebia da gabrazebulma mediatori esrola Cems megobars, romelmac mediatori aiRo, jibeSi Caido da me maCuqa. es Zlian sasacilo istoriaa, Tumca sakmaod Zvirfasi nivTia CemTvis. aseve maqvs pit samprasis naqoni, ai, majaze rom ukeTiaT CogburTelebs, Sublsawmendi, mgoni, fexburTelebi rom erTmaneTs maisurebs ucvlian, egre. CogburTelebi, Turme, er- TmaneTs am e. w. Sublsawmendebs ucvlian, mere es gacvlili Sublsawmendi, SeiZleba, kidev gaucvalos vinmes da ase samprasma is agasis gaucvala, agasma kidev viRacas, iman kidev viRacas da, sabolood, Cems megobars Cauvarda xelSi, oRond es 36 N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.

294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com filosofosi, musikosi rogor moxda, Zalian grZeli ambavia. _ vis hgavxar, rogor ggo- nia? _ tom kruzs vgavar erTierTSi (icinis), ise, „brigada” rom iyo, cota ZvelbiWuri filmi, gaxsovs? mand iyo erTi „kosmosi”, meubnebodnen, mas hgavxaro. da iyo masSi raRac Cemi nawili. _ Sinaganad vis hgavxar da Signidan ramdeni wlis xar, Seni azriT? _ albaT, 24-is. zemoT Camo- Tvlil musikosebs vgavar suliskveTebiT, masStabebiT _ ara, ra Tqma unda. _ gyavs iseTi wignis, an filmis gmiri, romelsac, ggonia, rom hgavxar? _ bavSvobaSi megona, rom levins vgavdi („ana karenina”). raRacnairad, eWviani iyo, ara qalis mimarT, aramed, zogadad, egzistenciurad (es sityvebi ar CarTo, ra, interviuSi, ar vici, swori mniSvnelobiT viyeneb, Tu ara, icinis). _ ra aris cxovrebis azri SenTvis? ggonia, rom rame mi- sia gaqvs? _ erTi aseTi gamoTqmaa, ar maxsovs, budisturia Tu qristianuli: „vin dagexmareba Sen, Tu Tavad ar daexmarebi saku- Tar Tavs da rodis gaakeTeb Sen amas, Tu ar gaakeTeb axla”. es gamoTqma Zalian momwons, hoda, Tu rame misia maqvs, mainc, albaT, es sakuTari Tavis daxmarebaa... _ da rogor unda daexmaro sakuTar Tavs? _ unda gaugo. _ SenTvis ra aris Tavisu- fleba? _ Tvisufleba es aris mdgomareoba, roca, albaT, SenTvis ukve yvelaferi sulerTia. me mgoni, roca Senze aranairi gare faqtorebi ar moqmedebs, xar Tavisufali da is miiRweva, raRac religiuri praqtikiT sakuTari Tavis Secnobasa da materialuri jaWvebisgan gan- TavisuflebiT, vgulisxmob gasxivosnebas. anu mgonia, rom sanam am samyaroSi xar, absoluturi Tavisufleba ar arsebobs. es cnebac xom Sedarebi- Tia. SeiZleba, Sen meti Tavisufleba gqondes, vidre mas, vinc galiaSia, magram mainc ar iyo absoluturad Tavisufali, radgan viRac Senze metadaa gasxivosnebuli. _ gjera miRmieri samyaro- si? _ ki, raRac samyaroebis namdvilad mjera. SeiZleba, miRmieri samyaro davarqvaT da Sei- Zleba, aq myofoba, magram mjera, rom Cven SegviZlia viyoT sxva mdgomareobaSi, anu mjera imis, rom Cvenc SegviZlia viyoT Tavisuflebi, Tavisufal mdgomareobaSi, Tu rRacebs sworad gavakeTebT da am mdgomareobis damsaxurebac mxolod Senze araa damokidebuli. _ religiuri adamiani xar? _ religias ufro filosofiurad vudgebi. imdenadaa mniSvnelovani religia CemTvis, ramdenadac filosofiuri moZRvrebaa mniSvnelovani, Tumca didad ar vyof erTmaneTisgan religias da filosofias, es ukanaskneli dafu- Znebaa mcnebebze da religia TviTon gzaa, praqtikaa. _ rom ara baCo jiqiZe, vin iqnebodi? _ eko deisaZe (vxumrob)... ar vici, vin viqnebodi, warmodgena ar maqvs, baCo jiqiZe var Tu ara, egec ar vici zustad (icinis). _ pirveli musika rogor dawere? _ 16 wlis viyavi, is Cems fexburTis mwvrTnels davuwere gabra- N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w. zebulma, rom ar maTamaSebda da saTadarigoTa skamze msvamda mTeli sezonis manZilze. _ raime saintereso istorias xom ar gaixseneb Seni cx- ovrebidan? _ Cems cxovrebaSi yvelaze saintereso, albaT, is periodi iyo, roca kerlingze davdiodi, aseTi sportia, boulings hgavs, ai, iatakze raRacas agoreben da Sen im iataks aprialeb, rom is gamogorebuli nivTi daniSnulebis adgilamde mivides. hoda, mag sportiT viyavi gatacebuli, pirveli Tanrigosanic gavxdi, evropis Cempionatzec gavedi axalgazrdebSi, es saintereso istoria araa, magram saintereso faqti iyo Cems cxovrebaSi. _ ra gaxarebs yvelaze baCo jiqiZe metad? _ roca simRerisTvis iseT frazas vipovi, romelic momwons, es Zalian maxarebs da am wams, rogorc wesi, emociurad gamovxatav xolme. _ arsebobs SenTvis ideal- uri simRera, an is simRera, romelic ginda, rom Seni daw- erili iyos? _ ki, ki, aseTi uamravia, magram me gamovyofdi mainc: amas winaT internetSi Sua saukuneebis Canawerebs mivakvlie, nu Sua saukuneebis simRerebs romeliRac italileli momRerali asrulebda, Sua saukuneebis moxetiale musikosebi, rafsodebi, mokled, ai, mag periodis ramdenimie Canaweri notebis saxiT Cvenamde mosula da am italielma momReralma is simRerebi gaacocxla. aseTi magari ram araferi momismenia. iq erT-erT simReraSi, daaxloebiT, aseTi Sinaarsis sityvebia, rac gansakuTrebiT momwons: „alublebi cvivian xeebidan ise, rogorc wlebi Seni msubuqi mxrebidan”; an aseTi: „mogitan Rames iseTs, rom Sen mas ver dainaxav, Sen xom ar gesmis, Rame aris imisTvis, raTa ufro naTeli Rame dafaros”. minda, is simRerebi yvela Cemi iyos. _ Seni sayvareli filmi romelia? _ Cemi sayvareli filmia norvegieli reJisoris, domenike iansenis filmi „asfaltis Svilebi”. es filmi Tanamedrove adamianebze, maT SiSebze, maT damokidebulebebze adamianis fundamentur sakiTxebze, sikvdil-sicocxlis arszea. filmis mTvari gmirebi asfalts ageben da procesSi erTmaneTs filosofiur Temebze esaubrebian, Sedegad maTi dagebuli asfalti uxarisxoa da maT samsaxuridan agdeben. filmi mag moralsac atarebs, rom roca asfalts ageb, maSin bevri ar unda ilaybo. _ visi Sefasebaa SenTvis yvelaze mniSvnelovani? _ yvelaze mniSvnelovani CemTvis Cemi megobrebis Sefasebaa, isini yovelTvis pirdapir meubnebian, Tu rame ar moswonT: „baCo, Cemo Zmao, es ra dagiweria”, „es saSinelebaa” „amis Caweras ar girCev, xalxi ver gagigebs, isini, ubralod, gadag- Telaven”. xom gesmis? ase- Ti frazebiT maT xSirad moumarTvT CemTvis, Cemi megobrebi Cemze Zalian zrunaven. _ ra aris yvelaze Zvirfasi Tviseba SenTvis? _ Rirseba da wesiereba, rac unda SeinarCunos adamianma da unda gaufrTxildes. _ gitaraze dakvra vin gas- wavla? _ aravin, CemiT viswavle, me xom gitaristi ar var, me teqstebs vwer. imas, rac ici, 2 dReSi iswavli. simReris daweras rTuli rame ar sWirdeba. unda icode 3-4 akordi, studiaSi Cawera Tu damWirda, an raime, megobrebi myavs. _ visTvis, an risTvis ar genaneba araferi? _ mSoblebisTvis da Cemi saqmisTvis. SeiZleba, bevri ram davTmo, kargi musika rom davwero (mTlad eSmaks ar mivyidi suls, magram...) _ Seni azriT, ra aris prob- lema sazogadoebaSi da ras Secvlidi? _ ar vici. ar miyvars sxvebisTvis Wkuis darigeba, ai, aseTi unda iyos es da aseTi _ is, isec yvela sakuTar Tavs Tu mixedavs, yvela ukeT viqnebiT, mgoni. _ ra aris Seni samomavlo gegmebi? _ aranairi gegma ar maqvs, dRevandeli dRiT vcxovrob da ha, ha, xvalindeli dRiT. _ ra gaZlevs xvalindeli dRis imeds? _ jer rom im asakSi ar var, daZinebisa da argaRviZebis meSinodes. _ ipove sakuTari Tavi? _ ara, ra Tqma unda. simRerebs imitom ki ar vwer, rom vfiqrob, kargad gamomdis, aramed, mgonia, rom sxva nebismieri saqmisTvis xeli rom momekida, albaT, imaSic amdeni Sroma damWirdeboda, magram es saqme miyvars. ar aqvs mniSvneloba, ras akeTeb, mTavaria, kargad akeTebde. ramdenadac es saqme vipove, imdenad bednieri var. _ vin aris baCo jiqiZe? _ baCo jiqiZe gamogonili saxelia, ase icnoben mas misi nacnobebi da ase icnobs igi sakuTar Tavs, magram vin icis. is musikis dasawerad, an poeziis kiTxvis gasagrZeleblad wavida, xval isev herkulesis fafiT daiwyebs dilas da roca STagonebis wyaros ipovis, kvlav SesaniSnav simRerebs dawers. dawers yvelaferze, rac awuxebs, unda Tqvas da aRniSvnis Rirsia. biWs Ria wablisferi TmiT da cisferi TvalebiT ufro bevri ram akavSirebs beThoven- Tan, vidre es erTi SexedviT Cans. es baCo jiqiZea, adamiani, romelic, ubralod, musikas qmnis. 37