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filosofosi, musikosi<br />
rogor moxda, Zalian grZeli<br />
ambavia.<br />
_ vis hgavxar, rogor ggo-<br />
nia?<br />
_ tom kruzs vgavar erTierTSi<br />
(icinis), ise, „brigada”<br />
rom iyo, cota ZvelbiWuri filmi,<br />
gaxsovs? mand iyo erTi<br />
„kosmosi”, meubnebodnen, mas<br />
hgavxaro. da iyo masSi raRac<br />
Cemi nawili.<br />
_ Sinaganad vis hgavxar da<br />
Signidan ramdeni wlis xar,<br />
Seni azriT?<br />
_ albaT, 24-is. zemoT Camo-<br />
Tvlil musikosebs vgavar suliskveTebiT,<br />
masStabebiT _ ara,<br />
ra Tqma unda.<br />
_ gyavs iseTi wignis, an<br />
filmis gmiri, romelsac,<br />
ggonia, rom hgavxar?<br />
_ bavSvobaSi megona, rom<br />
levins vgavdi („ana karenina”).<br />
raRacnairad, eWviani iyo, ara<br />
qalis mimarT, aramed, zogadad,<br />
egzistenciurad (es sityvebi<br />
ar CarTo, ra, interviuSi, ar<br />
vici, swori mniSvnelobiT viyeneb,<br />
Tu ara, icinis).<br />
_ ra aris cxovrebis azri<br />
SenTvis? ggonia, rom rame mi-<br />
sia gaqvs?<br />
_ erTi aseTi gamoTqmaa, ar<br />
maxsovs, budisturia Tu qristianuli:<br />
„vin dagexmareba Sen,<br />
Tu Tavad ar daexmarebi saku-<br />
Tar Tavs da rodis gaakeTeb<br />
Sen amas, Tu ar gaakeTeb axla”.<br />
es gamoTqma Zalian momwons,<br />
hoda, Tu rame misia maqvs, mainc,<br />
albaT, es sakuTari Tavis<br />
daxmarebaa...<br />
_ da rogor unda daexmaro<br />
sakuTar Tavs?<br />
_ unda gaugo.<br />
_ SenTvis ra aris Tavisu-<br />
fleba?<br />
_ Tvisufleba es aris mdgomareoba,<br />
roca, albaT, SenTvis<br />
ukve yvelaferi sulerTia. me<br />
mgoni, roca Senze aranairi<br />
gare faqtorebi ar moqmedebs,<br />
xar Tavisufali da is miiRweva,<br />
raRac religiuri praqtikiT<br />
sakuTari Tavis Secnobasa da<br />
materialuri jaWvebisgan gan-<br />
TavisuflebiT, vgulisxmob gasxivosnebas.<br />
anu mgonia, rom sanam<br />
am samyaroSi xar, absoluturi<br />
Tavisufleba ar arsebobs.<br />
es cnebac xom Sedarebi-<br />
Tia. SeiZleba, Sen meti Tavisufleba<br />
gqondes, vidre mas, vinc<br />
galiaSia, magram mainc ar iyo<br />
absoluturad Tavisufali,<br />
radgan viRac Senze metadaa<br />
gasxivosnebuli.<br />
_ gjera miRmieri samyaro-<br />
si?<br />
_ ki, raRac samyaroebis namdvilad<br />
mjera. SeiZleba, miRmieri<br />
samyaro davarqvaT da Sei-<br />
Zleba, aq myofoba, magram mjera,<br />
rom Cven SegviZlia viyoT<br />
sxva mdgomareobaSi, anu mjera<br />
imis, rom Cvenc SegviZlia viyoT<br />
Tavisuflebi, Tavisufal<br />
mdgomareobaSi, Tu rRacebs<br />
sworad gavakeTebT da am mdgomareobis<br />
damsaxurebac mxolod<br />
Senze araa damokidebuli.<br />
_ religiuri adamiani xar?<br />
_ religias ufro filosofiurad<br />
vudgebi. imdenadaa<br />
mniSvnelovani religia CemTvis,<br />
ramdenadac filosofiuri<br />
moZRvrebaa mniSvnelovani,<br />
Tumca didad ar vyof erTmaneTisgan<br />
religias da filosofias,<br />
es ukanaskneli dafu-<br />
Znebaa mcnebebze da religia<br />
TviTon gzaa, praqtikaa.<br />
_ rom ara baCo jiqiZe, vin<br />
iqnebodi?<br />
_ eko deisaZe (vxumrob)...<br />
ar vici, vin viqnebodi,<br />
warmodgena<br />
ar maqvs, baCo<br />
jiqiZe var<br />
Tu ara, egec<br />
ar vici zustad<br />
(icinis).<br />
_<br />
pirveli<br />
musika rogor<br />
dawere?<br />
_ 16 wlis<br />
viyavi, is Cems<br />
fexburTis<br />
mwvrTnels davuwere<br />
gabra-<br />
N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.<br />
zebulma, rom ar maTamaSebda<br />
da saTadarigoTa skamze msvamda<br />
mTeli sezonis manZilze.<br />
_ raime saintereso istorias<br />
xom ar gaixseneb Seni cx-<br />
ovrebidan?<br />
_ Cems cxovrebaSi yvelaze<br />
saintereso, albaT, is periodi<br />
iyo, roca kerlingze davdiodi,<br />
aseTi sportia, boulings<br />
hgavs, ai, iatakze raRacas agoreben<br />
da Sen im iataks aprialeb,<br />
rom is gamogorebuli<br />
nivTi daniSnulebis adgilamde<br />
mivides. hoda, mag sportiT<br />
viyavi gatacebuli, pirveli<br />
Tanrigosanic gavxdi, evropis<br />
Cempionatzec gavedi axalgazrdebSi,<br />
es saintereso istoria araa,<br />
magram saintereso faqti iyo<br />
Cems cxovrebaSi.<br />
_ ra gaxarebs yvelaze<br />
baCo jiqiZe<br />
metad?<br />
_ roca simRerisTvis iseT<br />
frazas vipovi, romelic momwons,<br />
es Zalian maxarebs da am<br />
wams, rogorc wesi, emociurad<br />
gamovxatav xolme.<br />
_ arsebobs SenTvis ideal-<br />
uri simRera, an is simRera,<br />
romelic<br />
ginda, rom Seni daw-<br />
erili iyos?<br />
_ ki, ki, aseTi uamravia, magram<br />
me gamovyofdi mainc: amas<br />
winaT internetSi Sua saukuneebis<br />
Canawerebs mivakvlie, nu<br />
Sua saukuneebis simRerebs romeliRac<br />
italileli momRerali<br />
asrulebda, Sua saukuneebis<br />
moxetiale musikosebi, rafsodebi,<br />
mokled, ai, mag periodis<br />
ramdenimie Canaweri notebis<br />
saxiT Cvenamde mosula da<br />
am italielma momReralma is<br />
simRerebi gaacocxla. aseTi<br />
magari ram araferi momismenia.<br />
iq erT-erT simReraSi, daaxloebiT,<br />
aseTi Sinaarsis sityvebia,<br />
rac gansakuTrebiT momwons:<br />
„alublebi cvivian xeebidan<br />
ise, rogorc wlebi Seni<br />
msubuqi mxrebidan”; an aseTi:<br />
„mogitan Rames iseTs, rom Sen<br />
mas ver dainaxav, Sen xom ar gesmis,<br />
Rame aris imisTvis, raTa<br />
ufro naTeli Rame dafaros”.<br />
minda, is simRerebi yvela Cemi<br />
iyos.<br />
_ Seni sayvareli filmi<br />
romelia?<br />
_ Cemi sayvareli filmia norvegieli<br />
reJisoris, domenike<br />
iansenis filmi „asfaltis Svilebi”.<br />
es filmi Tanamedrove<br />
adamianebze, maT SiSebze, maT<br />
damokidebulebebze adamianis<br />
fundamentur sakiTxebze, sikvdil-sicocxlis<br />
arszea. filmis<br />
mTvari gmirebi asfalts<br />
ageben da procesSi erTmaneTs<br />
filosofiur Temebze esaubrebian,<br />
Sedegad maTi dagebuli<br />
asfalti uxarisxoa da maT samsaxuridan<br />
agdeben. filmi mag<br />
moralsac atarebs, rom roca<br />
asfalts ageb, maSin bevri ar<br />
unda ilaybo.<br />
_ visi Sefasebaa SenTvis<br />
yvelaze mniSvnelovani?<br />
_ yvelaze mniSvnelovani<br />
CemTvis Cemi megobrebis Sefasebaa,<br />
isini yovelTvis pirdapir<br />
meubnebian, Tu rame ar<br />
moswonT: „baCo, Cemo Zmao, es<br />
ra dagiweria”, „es saSinelebaa”<br />
„amis Caweras<br />
ar girCev, xalxi<br />
ver gagigebs,<br />
isini, ubralod,<br />
gadag-<br />
Telaven”.<br />
xom gesmis?<br />
ase-<br />
Ti frazebiT<br />
maT xSirad<br />
moumarTvT<br />
CemTvis,<br />
Cemi megobrebi<br />
Cemze Zalian<br />
zrunaven.<br />
_ ra aris yvelaze Zvirfasi<br />
Tviseba SenTvis?<br />
_ Rirseba da wesiereba, rac<br />
unda SeinarCunos adamianma da<br />
unda gaufrTxildes.<br />
_ gitaraze dakvra vin gas-<br />
wavla?<br />
_ aravin, CemiT viswavle, me<br />
xom gitaristi ar var, me teqstebs<br />
vwer. imas, rac ici, 2<br />
dReSi iswavli. simReris daweras<br />
rTuli rame ar sWirdeba.<br />
unda icode 3-4 akordi, studiaSi<br />
Cawera Tu damWirda, an<br />
raime, megobrebi myavs.<br />
_ visTvis, an risTvis ar<br />
genaneba araferi?<br />
_ mSoblebisTvis da Cemi<br />
saqmisTvis. SeiZleba, bevri ram<br />
davTmo, kargi musika rom davwero<br />
(mTlad eSmaks ar mivyidi<br />
suls, magram...)<br />
_ Seni azriT, ra aris prob-<br />
lema sazogadoebaSi da ras<br />
Secvlidi?<br />
_ ar vici. ar miyvars sxvebisTvis<br />
Wkuis darigeba, ai, aseTi<br />
unda iyos es da aseTi _ is, isec<br />
yvela sakuTar Tavs Tu mixedavs,<br />
yvela ukeT viqnebiT, mgoni.<br />
_ ra aris Seni samomavlo<br />
gegmebi?<br />
_ aranairi gegma ar maqvs,<br />
dRevandeli dRiT vcxovrob<br />
da ha, ha, xvalindeli dRiT.<br />
_ ra gaZlevs xvalindeli<br />
dRis imeds?<br />
_ jer rom im asakSi ar var,<br />
daZinebisa da argaRviZebis<br />
meSinodes.<br />
_ ipove sakuTari Tavi?<br />
_ ara, ra Tqma unda. simRerebs<br />
imitom ki ar vwer, rom<br />
vfiqrob, kargad gamomdis,<br />
aramed, mgonia, rom sxva nebismieri<br />
saqmisTvis xeli rom momekida,<br />
albaT, imaSic amdeni<br />
Sroma damWirdeboda, magram es<br />
saqme miyvars. ar aqvs mniSvneloba,<br />
ras akeTeb, mTavaria,<br />
kargad akeTebde. ramdenadac<br />
es saqme vipove, imdenad bednieri<br />
var.<br />
_ vin aris baCo jiqiZe?<br />
_ baCo jiqiZe gamogonili<br />
saxelia, ase icnoben mas misi<br />
nacnobebi da ase icnobs igi<br />
sakuTar Tavs, magram vin icis.<br />
is musikis dasawerad, an poeziis<br />
kiTxvis gasagrZeleblad<br />
wavida, xval isev herkulesis<br />
fafiT daiwyebs dilas da roca<br />
STagonebis wyaros ipovis, kvlav<br />
SesaniSnav simRerebs dawers.<br />
dawers yvelaferze, rac<br />
awuxebs, unda Tqvas da aRniSvnis<br />
Rirsia.<br />
biWs Ria wablisferi TmiT<br />
da cisferi TvalebiT ufro<br />
bevri ram akavSirebs beThoven-<br />
Tan, vidre es erTi SexedviT<br />
Cans.<br />
es baCo jiqiZea, adamiani,<br />
romelic, ubralod, musikas<br />
qmnis.<br />
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