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policielebi scemen moqalaqeebs, amitom Tu mRebriSvils parlamenti daamtkicebda, qveyanaSi ukanonoba dakanondeboda da Zaladoba moimatebda. rac Seexeba iusticiis ministrs, man sasamar- Tlo da qveynis sxva samarTlebrivi reforma unda Caataros, magram mas ar SeuZlia amis gake- Teba. vTqvi, saqarTveloSi bevri samarTlebrivi reformaa gansaxorcielebeli da am postze ise- Ti adamiani unda dainiSnos, vinc amas saTanadod moabams TavsmeTqi. garda amisa, iusticiis ministri Zalian bevr binZur saqmeze gaCumebulia. evropis adamianis uflebaTa dacvis sasamarTlos saqmeebidan mxolod or saqmes gamovyof, romlebic piradad me movige. es gaxlavT „dvaliSvili saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg” da „miqiaSvili saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg”. evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebiT saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg dadga konvenciis me-3 muxlis darRveva: wameba, arahumanuri, araadamianuri mopyroba. vinmes unaxavs, wulukiani gamosuliyos da eTqvas, evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebaze valdebulebi varT SevasruloT da wame- 597 11 12 47 advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomare zaza xatiaSvilma gancxadeba gaavrcela, sadac igi premier-ministrs sTxovda, Ss ministri giorgi mRebriSvili gadaeyenebina. Tanamdebobaze yofnis aucileblobas ver xedavda iusticiis ministris SemTxvevaSic da sakanonmdeblo organos war- momadgenlebs usabuTebda kidec, Tu ratom ar unda daeWiraT mxari maTTvis. ram aiZula zaza xatiaSvili, aseTi moTxovna wamoeyenebina da ra konkretul faqtebs asaxelebs advokatTa asoci- aciis Tavmjdomare? „qronika+” mas aRniSnul problemaze esaubra. zaza xatiaSvili: _ sanam parlamenti ministrebs daamtkicebda, gancxadeba gavakeTe, rom parlaments mxari ar daeWira da ar daemtkicebina Ss ministrad giorgi mRebriSvili da iusticiis ministrad _ Tea wulukiani. maSin ganvacxade, rom policiaSi adamianebs epyrobian arahumanurad, araadamianurad, 20 neli vardiaSvili 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com baSi monawile policielebi davsajoTo? yvelaze maRali instancia aris evropis adamianis uflebaTa sasamarTlo, amaze maRali instancia ar arsebobs. is gamoscems gadawyvetilebas, sadac weria, rom esa Tu is adamiani awames. am periodSi wulukiani mTavari prokurori da ministri iyo, roca am saqmis mTavari monawile policieli, revaz qobulia, wyaltubos policiis sammarTvelos ufrosad daniSnes. arada, 2006 wels, roca es saCivari evrosasamarTloSi gavgzavne, iqac Tea wulukianma miiRo da prioriteti man misca, radgan maSin strasburgSi muSaobda. man kargad icoda am saqmis detalebi, gadawyvetileba ki sasamarTlom maSin gamoitana, roca is ukve saqarTveloSi ministris postze imyofeboda. roca adamiani aseT rames kadrulobs, rogor giorgi mRebriSvili SeiZleboda misi ministrad wardgena da Semdeg damtkiceba? dvaliSvili am dawinaurebul qobuliaze acxadebda, _ roca mawamebda, „koka-kola” damasxes da is amalokines qobuliam da mJaviamo. mJavia kidev wyaltubos policiaSi qveganyofilebis ufrosia. am faqtze yvela gaCumebulia, arada, es gaxlavT girgvliani-2. girgvlianis mkvlelebi raRac doziT dasajes, magram yvela ar dausjiaT da gamwarebulebi viyaviT, Tumca aq evrosasamarTlom gadawyvetileba miiRo da is adamiani daawinaures. aseT rames evropis verc erT qveyanaSi ver Seeguebodnen. mRebriSvili Sinagan saqmeTa ministri ukve 2 welia da egueba, rom policiis sammarTvelos ufrosi qobuliaa. _ evrosasamarTlos am gada- wyvetilebis Taobaze Ss minist- ri mRebriSvili saqmis kursSia? _ diax, saqmis kursSia. saqme prokuraturaSia, radgan saCivari Sevitane da qobulias dakavebas viTxovdi. amJamad parlamentis wevri, arCil TalakvaZe ma- Sin mRebriSvilis moadgile iyo da gancxadebebs akeTebda, xatia- Svilma ki moigo saqme strasburgSi, magram ase ver moviqcevi- To da man evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebebis revizia pirdapir eTerSi ganaxorciela. amis Semdeg TalakvaZec daawinaures da umravlesobis liderad daniSnes. warmogidgeniaT, vis xelSi varT? maSin vambobdi, mRebriSvils kidev Tu waradgenT am Tanamdebobaze, arahumanuri mopyrobisa da wamebis axali talRa daiwyeba-meTqi. borjomSi Jurnalist gasvianze xom moxda Tavdasxma, aba, miTxariT, vinme daapatimres? policieli, romelmac es Caidina, 24 saaTSi unda daepatimrebinaT. _ gavrcelebuli informaciiT, am policiels uflebam- osileba SeuCeres? _ ra uflebamosilebis Se- Cerebazea saubari? axla policiels rom davesxa Tavs da igive doziT mivayeno Seuracxyofa, rogor ggoniaT, mxolod advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomaris postze muSaobas SemiCereben da amas makmareben? an TqvenTan mxolod Jurnalisturi saqmianobis SeCerebiT Semoifarglebian? Tu Sinagan saqmeTa ministrs ar unda, rom misi policielebi aseT rames akeTebdnen, arc moxdeba. ramdenime dRis win inga gri- zaza xatiaSvili: ,,giorgi mRebriSvili da Tea wulukiani ministrebad ar unda daemtkicebinaT!~ Tea wulukiani golias gadacemaSi viyavi miwveuli da iq vTqvi, _ „qronika+” da misi Jurnalisti neli vardiaSvili cota xnis win Sinagan saqme- Ta saministros daukavSirda, sadac daudastures, rom Sinagan saqmeTa saministroSi inspeqtorgamomZieblad muSaoben skoladamTavrebuli adamianebi da maT iuridiuli umaRlesi ganaTleba ar gaaCniaT-meTqi. premier-ministris pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxic unda dadges, radgan is aseT adamians waradgens Ss ministrad. saqarTveloSi yovel meore-mesame adamians aqvs iuristis umaRlesi ganaTleba da diplomi. adamianebi kartofilsa da pomidors yidian bazrebSi da magistraturebi aqvT damTavrebuli. maT samsaxuri ar aqvT da mRebriSvilis policiaSi inspeqtorgamomZieblad skoladamTavrebulebi muSaoben, romlebsac, Turme, 6-Tviani gadamzadebis kursebi gaatares. es, daaxloebiT, imas niSnavs, 6-Tviani gadamzadebis kursebi rom gavataro adamianebi da umaRlesi iuridiuli ganaTlenis gareSe gavxado advokatebi. aseTi ram rogor SeiZleba?! „qarTulma ocnebam” ekonomika daangria da qveyana finansurad miwasTan gaaswora, viTom sasamarTlo reforma Caatara da Tavze dagvasva murusiZe da misi mimdevari murusiZeebi. axla vi- Txov, is adamiani mainc moacileT, romelic im policiur wamebas ar ebrZvis, romliTac Tqveni politikuri partia xelisuflebaSi movida-meTqi. erTi Tvis win gancxadeba gavakeTe, rom imave policiis ganyofilebaSi, sadac giorgi mdinaraZe awames, policiis ufrosma advokat irma araxamias Seuracxyofa miayena. roca advokatma pretenzia gamoTqva, uTxres, amas CaviwerT da pasuxs mogTxovTo. policiis ufrosma iciT, ra ganucxada araxamias? _ me var am Senoba-nagebobebis mepatroneo. Tu mRebriSvilma amis ufleba ar misca, policiis ufrosi amas rogor ityoda? Tu ase ar aris, mRebriSvils xom unda moexsna es adamiani? etyoba, roca policiis ufross niSnavs, eubneba, Sen xar policiis am nagebobis ufrosio da isinic amitom laparakoben ase. sxvanairad, ase ver daelaparakebodnen verc advokatebs da verc sxva adamianebs. Tu mis gareSe ambobs da Tavnebobs, maSin policiidan unda gauSvas. simarTles ar vambob? es faqtebi ar aris imis safuZveli, rom mRebriSvili aRar iyos Sinagan saqmeTa ministri? _ giorgi mdinaraZis wamebis saqmeze sasamarTlo procesi jer ar damTavrebula? _ mdinaraZe rom awames, iciT, ra Cvenebebs aZlevdnen policielebi? _ man sakuTar Tavs miayena Seuracxyofao. yvela policieli, visac eubnebian, adamiani ratom scemeo, pasuxobs, me ar micemia, sakuar Tavs miayena Seuracxyofao. policielebis 99% ase ambobs da ra gamodis, Turme, es sacodavi moqalaqeebi sakuTar Tavs policiaSi ayeneben Seuracxyofas, imtvreven cxvirpirs, policia ki exveweba, amas nu akeTebT, Tqven genacvaleT, ar SeiZlebao. ra cinizmia! mRebriSvili ki zis da am yvelafers uyurebs. Ss ministrma rom daibaros policielebi da uTxras, aseT rames Tu gabedavT, datovebT samsaxurso, vin gabedavs msgavsi ramis gakeTebas? saxazino advokati giorgi mdinaraZe Ramis saaTebSi gamoiZaxes, raTa arasrulwlovani daecva. fexmZimed, merve Tve- Si hyavda coli. imitom wavida da coli datova, rom Tavisi Tavi ewame- 20 N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.

ina?! es xom alogikuria?! ramdenime dRis win prokuraturam mowmeebi moiyvana, magram isini rom ar daikiTxon, braldebuli ar movida. gviTxres, cudad ariso. erT-erTma „murusiZem”, mosamarTle Soniam, romelic cnobili yofila imiT, rom 14-15 wlis bavSvebs apatimrebs, am policiels aRmkveTi RonisZieba _ patimroba Seucvala giraoTi. ra unda vqnaT, roca biZina maTzea gadafarebuli?! is ambobs, murusiZe saakaSvilis reJimis msxverpliao, Soniac msxverplia da me da Sen viyaviT, Turme, saakaSvilis reJimis sayrdenebi. precedenti, rom policiis ufrosi, romelmac mdinaraZe scema da daakaves, ZaliT Sevaqmnevine. mTeli evropa fexze davayene. saqarTvelos saelCoebTan vafiqsirebdiT protests. sasamarTloSi erTi welia, saqme midis da braldebis mxaris mowmeebi ver davkiTxeT. danaSaulSi braldebuli ar cxaddeba, cudad aris da gancxadebas akeTebs, sasamarTlo procesebSi monawileobas ar miviRebo. xelovnurad aWianureben saqmes. egeni Tu imas fiqroben, erTi weliwadi gawelaven saqmes, mere me adokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomare aRar viqnebi da ase momicileben Tavidan, Zalian cdebian. me saqarTvelodan wasvlas namdvilad ar vapireb. mere ukve mxolod eg policiis ufrosi ki ar daisjeba, yvela agebs am saqmeze pasuxs, vinc cru Cveneba misca. vimeoreb: mRebriSvili Tu iqneba Tavis simaRleze, eseni aseT rames ver gabedaven. Jurnalist gasvianis saqmeze policieli ar unda daekavebinaT? iciT, ra mikvirs? _ Jurnalistebi ratom xarT gaCumebuli? aqcias ratom ar awyobT, roca Jurnalisti gicemes? ratom yvela sainformacio saSualeba ar iwyeba imiT, rom gasvianis mwamebeli me-7 dRea, Tavisufalia? „qronika+”-is mTavar redaqtors, qalbaton eliso kilaZes vTxov, pirvel gverdze dabeWdos is, rom gasvianis mwamebeli Tavisufalia da moiTxovos, yvela sainformacio saSualeba am informaciiT daiwyos. eliso Zalian magaria, amas gaakeTebs. aq gasvianze ki ar aris mxolod saubari, Jurnalisti awames, romelic, am SemTxvevaSi, aris yvela gazeTis, televiziis, internetgamocemis, radios Jurnalisti. roca saakaSvilma fotografebi daakava da maT cixe- Si awamebdnen, me Tqven gverdiT videqi cixis win da fotografebis dakavebas vaprotestebdi. vinc maSin amis gamo mlanZRavda da ambobda, saakaSvils ras erCiso, axla igive adamianebi meubnebian, biZinas ras erCio? qarTveli xalxi ver eRirsa wesier xelisuflebas. Tanamdebobebze modian binZuri mentalobis adamianebi. _ Sinagan saqmeTa ministri am dReebSi policiis korpusis Sem- cirebaze alaparakda. rogorc ambobs, swored aseTi balastis- gan apirebs gawmindos policia? _ ra SuaSia Semcirebebi? damnaSave policielebi unda dasajos. „giorgi miqiaSvili saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg” saqmeSi 50 policieli mainc figurirebs. yvelani sabraldebo skamebze unda isxdnen, magram isini kvlav samsaxurebSi arian. es adamianebi unda dasajon, policiidan gauSvan da es iqneba Semcirebac. axla, iciT, ras izamen? _ wesier adamianebs gauSveben, romlebic maT ar awyobT da ise ar iqcevian, rogorc maT undaT. 8 policieli aris damnaSave dvaliSvilis arahumanur, araadamianur mopyrobasa da wamebaSi. evrosasamarTlom gadawyvetilebaSi amaze N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w. 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com miniSneba gaakeTa, rom amdenma policielma misca, savaraudod, cru Cvenebao. mRebriSvili amis mere unda gamosuliyo da eTqva, _ es xalxi wava samsaxuridan, radgan aseTi saqcieli Caidinao. axla visac patroni gamouCndeba, Tundac, mkvleli da araadamiani iyos, datoveben. policiis wmenda marTla Tu aqvT gadawyvetili, unda daiwyos miqiaSvilis, vazagaSvilis, robaqiZis saqmeze. is policielebi, romlebic idgnen da amas uyurebdnen, dana- Sauls faravdnen da Cvenebas ar aZlevdnen, policiaSi ar unda iyvnen. es xalxi unda gayaron, magram, ai, naxavT, qobulias datoveben da upatrono da wesier adamianebs gayrian. aba, miTxariT, ratom ar Tqva mRebriSvilma, skolis atestatiani gamomZieblebi rom myavs, es ar SeiZleba da isini unda gavuSvao? aseTebs ar gauSveben, ai, naxavT. policiis mundirs, pirvel rigSi, Seuracxyofs Tavad mRebriSvili, roca mas Tanamdebobaze hyavs revaz qobulia. erTaderTi qveyana varT evropaSi, sadac evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebebs arafrad agdeben da adamians, romelsac isini moixsenieben mwameblad da Seuracxmyofelad, eseni maRal Tanamdebobebze awinaureben. pirvel rigSi, es kaci arcxvens policielis mundirs. _ garda imisa, rom gancxadebiT iTxovT Ss ministris gaday- enebas, kidev raime zomebis miR- ebas xom ar apirebT? _ „qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebaSi, savaraudod, gayalbebiT movida. burjanaZe iTxovs, yuTi gaxseniT da gadaiTvaleTo, radgan amdeni xma mqonda da gamiyalbeso. ar miiCneven saWirod xmebis gadaTvlas, rac, cxadia, ivaniSvilis mizeziT xdeba. ivaniSvili marTavs qveyanas da kargi moxdeba Tu cudi, yvelafers mas davabralebT. misi moyvanili xalxi akeTebs amas. vinc axla xelisuflebaSia, biZina rom ar yofiliyo, 10%-sac ki verc erTi aiRebda. „murusiZeebs” rom gaurigda ivaniSvilis xelisufleba da murusiZes gociriZe da Todria xmas miscemen-meTqi, esec didi xniT adre vTqvi, magram ra ar miTxres, radgan ar daijeres. ambobdnen, xatiaSvili igonebs, batoni biZini magas rogor ikadrebso? am naZirala adamianebs minda vuTxra, _ marTali rom aRmovCndi, bodiSi ratom ar momixades? magram monebi arian, fuli undaT, rom aiRon da wesier adamianebs amitom lanZRaven. roca murusiZe marTla daniSnes am Tanamdebobaze, yvela opoziciurad ganwyobil partias davureke, Sevxvdi da vuTxari, _ murusiZe administraciul palataSi gadahyavT, arCevnebs, savaraudod, gagiyalbeben-meTqi. murusiZe iqneba pasuxismgebeli, rom es yuTebi ar gaixsnas, amitom daniSnes am Tanamdebobaze-meTqi. es vTqviT maSin TqvenTan interviuSic. erTi wlis Semdeg aRmo- `policiels rom davesxa Tavs da igive doziT mivayeno Seuracxyofa, rogor ggoniaT, mxolod advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomaris postze muSaobas SemiCereben da amas makmareben? an TqvenTan mxolod Jurnalisturi saqmianobis SeCerebiT Semoifarglebian? Tu Sinagan saqmeTa ministrs ar unda, rom misi policielebi aseT rames akeTebdnen, arc moxdeba. ramdenime dRis win inga grigolias gadacemaSi viyavi miwveuli da iq vTqvi, - `qronika+~ da misi Jurnalisti neli vardiaSvili cota xnis win Sinagan saqmeTa saministros daukavSirda, sadac daudastures, rom Sinagan saqmeTa saministroSi inspeqtor-gamomZieblad muSaoben skoladamTavrebuli adamianebi da maT iuridiuli umaRlesi ganaTleba ar gaaCniaT-meTqi. premier-ministris pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxic unda dadges, radgan is aseT adamians waradgens Ss ministrad. saqarTveloSi yovel meore-mesame adamians aqvs iuristis umaRlesi ganaTleba da diplomi. adamianebi kartofilsa da pomidors yidian bazrebSi da magistraturebi aqvT damTavrebuli. maT samsaxuri ar aqvT da mRebriSvilis policiaSi inspeqtor-gamomZieblad skoladamTavrebulebi muSaoben, romlebsac, Turme, 6-Tviani gadamzadebis kursebi gaatares. es, daaxloebiT, imas niSnavs, 6-Tviani gadamzadebis kursebi rom gavataro adamianebs da umaRlesi iuridiuli ganaTlenis gareSe gavxado advokatebi. aseTi ram rogor SeiZleba?!~ Cnda, rom marTali viyavi. visac vicnob, yvela meubneba, „leiboristebsa” da Salva naTelaSvils miveci xmao da ranairad moxda, rom parlaments gareT darCa? imitom ar gaxsnes yuTebi, rom arCevnebi gaayalbes da es yvelaferi SerCaT. rac „Tavisufalma demokratebma” ikadres, saqarTvelos uaxles istoriaSi aseTi ram ar minaxavs. _ amboben, rom arCevnebis gay- albebaSi policia da sus-i iyo aqtiurad Careuli. _ advokati mamuka nozaZe ken- Ws iyrida da misgan vici, rom dabeWdili mowmobebiT dahyavdaT xalxi, romelic ramdenime ubanze aZlevda xmas. miuxedavad amisa, Cemi azriT, naTelaSvilmac gadalaxa barieri da burjanaZemac, magram mere, swored, „murusiZeebi” gamoiyenes da ase gaayalbes. gaxsovT, albaT, ra gauke- Tes paata burWulaZes. anu am arCevnebSi yvela meTodi gamoiyena ivaniSvilma arCevnebis gasayalbeblad. ai, ratom sWirdeboda mas murusiZe da masTan Tbili kavSirebi. cnobilia isic, rom „qarTulma ocnebam” 49% miiRo gayalbebiT da ranairad aqvs mas sakonstitucio umravlesoba parlamentSi? imis gamo moxda es, rom kanonmdeblobac maxinjia. biZina rom xelisuflebaSi modioda, maJoritarebs feodalebs uwodebda da xalxs dahpirda, rom am sistemas daangrevda, magram am dapirebebidan raime Seasrula? _ araferi. hoda, me vambob, qarTveli xalxi imaze metis Rirsi varT, rasac biZina gvikeTebs. rasac miSa gvikeTebda, imis Rirsebic viyaviT, radgan qarTveli adamiani rom saarCevno xmas fulze gayidis, is Rirsia imisi, rasac gvikeTeben da kidev gagvikeTebs ivaniSvili, mRebriSvili, wulukiani, kvirikaSvili da sxvebi. rogorc qveyana, Cven ver SevdeqiT. rogor SeiZleba, 20 larad Seni Svilebis momavlis sawinaaRmdegod misce xma? _ bevri ukve prognozirebs quCis aqciebs, vadamdel arCev- nebs... _ opoziciurma partiebma xeli moaweres, rom arademokratiuli arCevnebi iyo, rasac, rogorc vici, „Tavisufali demokratebi” xels ar aweren. 4,6% aqvT miRebuli. Tu isini xels ar moaweren, maT mere vinc arian, burjanaZes da naTelaSvils aravin daujerebs. meore dResve gamovida „Tavisufali demokratebis” saarCevno Stabis xelm- ZRvaneli da „qarTul ocnebas” dauWira mxari. amitom is ministrad daniSnes. „kabelebis saqmeze” dakavebuli sawyali adamianebi ki kvlav cixeSi arian gamoketilebi. samwuxarod, politikuri speqtris didi nawili imitom aris politikaSi, rom „biZins” mieyidos. visi gadabirebac ver moaxerxa, misken lafs asrolinebs daqiravebul xalxs. gadabireba- Si marto fuls ki ar vgulisxmob, SeiZleba, adamiani gadaibiro daSinebiT, cru dapirebiT... ase moaxerxa arCevnebis mogeba. axla mas tvini dasWirda, raTa saxelmwifo marTos, magram me vatyob, rom vinc ki daniSnulia gadawyvetilebebis mimRebebad, maT Zalian cota aqvT imis tvini, rom saxelmwifo marTon. amitomac qveyana samarTlebrivi, politikuri da finansuri ufskrulisken midis. ra Tqma unda, amas mohyveba Zalian didi aqciebi da xalxis mRelvareba. xalxSi lideric warmoiSoba, romelic Zalian patiosani da patrioti adamiani iqneba da xalxic mas gahyveba. amas xalxi imitom gaake- Tebs, rom es ar iqneba oligarqi, mecenati, is iqneba xalxis wiaRidan gamosuli, niWieri kaci, romelsac eqneba imis gamocdileba, rom qveyana krizisidan gamoiyvanos. aRar mgonia, rom sazogadoeba kidev Secdes da oligarqs, an mecenats daujeros. es saxadi qveyanam moixada. _ daaxloebiT mainc SeiZle- ba vifiqroT, vin SeiZleba iyos lideri? _ amas me axla rogor getyviT? magram mjera, rom es aucileblad moxdeba da qveyanas normaluri xelisufali eRirseba. 21