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ina?! es xom alogikuria?! ramdenime<br />
dRis win prokuraturam<br />
mowmeebi moiyvana, magram isini<br />
rom ar daikiTxon, braldebuli<br />
ar movida. gviTxres, cudad ariso.<br />
erT-erTma „murusiZem”, mosamarTle<br />
Soniam, romelic cnobili<br />
yofila imiT, rom 14-15<br />
wlis bavSvebs apatimrebs, am policiels<br />
aRmkveTi RonisZieba _<br />
patimroba Seucvala giraoTi. ra<br />
unda vqnaT, roca biZina maTzea<br />
gadafarebuli?! is ambobs, murusiZe<br />
saakaSvilis reJimis msxverpliao,<br />
Soniac msxverplia da me<br />
da Sen viyaviT, Turme, saakaSvilis<br />
reJimis sayrdenebi.<br />
precedenti, rom policiis<br />
ufrosi, romelmac mdinaraZe<br />
scema da daakaves, ZaliT Sevaqmnevine.<br />
mTeli evropa fexze davayene.<br />
saqarTvelos saelCoebTan<br />
vafiqsirebdiT protests.<br />
sasamarTloSi erTi welia, saqme<br />
midis da braldebis mxaris mowmeebi<br />
ver davkiTxeT. danaSaulSi<br />
braldebuli ar cxaddeba, cudad<br />
aris da gancxadebas akeTebs,<br />
sasamarTlo procesebSi monawileobas<br />
ar miviRebo. xelovnurad<br />
aWianureben saqmes. egeni Tu imas<br />
fiqroben, erTi weliwadi gawelaven<br />
saqmes, mere me adokatTa<br />
asociaciis Tavmjdomare aRar<br />
viqnebi da ase momicileben Tavidan,<br />
Zalian cdebian. me saqarTvelodan<br />
wasvlas namdvilad ar<br />
vapireb. mere ukve mxolod eg<br />
policiis ufrosi ki ar daisjeba,<br />
yvela agebs am saqmeze pasuxs,<br />
vinc cru Cveneba misca. vimeoreb:<br />
mRebriSvili Tu iqneba Tavis simaRleze,<br />
eseni aseT rames ver<br />
gabedaven. Jurnalist gasvianis<br />
saqmeze policieli ar unda daekavebinaT?<br />
iciT, ra mikvirs? _<br />
Jurnalistebi ratom xarT gaCumebuli?<br />
aqcias ratom ar awyobT,<br />
roca Jurnalisti gicemes?<br />
ratom yvela sainformacio saSualeba<br />
ar iwyeba imiT, rom gasvianis<br />
mwamebeli me-7 dRea, Tavisufalia?<br />
„qronika+”-is mTavar<br />
redaqtors, qalbaton eliso kilaZes<br />
vTxov, pirvel gverdze<br />
dabeWdos is, rom gasvianis mwamebeli<br />
Tavisufalia da moiTxovos,<br />
yvela sainformacio saSualeba<br />
am informaciiT daiwyos.<br />
eliso Zalian magaria, amas gaakeTebs.<br />
aq gasvianze ki ar aris<br />
mxolod saubari, Jurnalisti<br />
awames, romelic, am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
aris yvela gazeTis, televiziis,<br />
internetgamocemis, radios Jurnalisti.<br />
roca saakaSvilma fotografebi<br />
daakava da maT cixe-<br />
Si awamebdnen, me Tqven gverdiT<br />
videqi cixis win da fotografebis<br />
dakavebas vaprotestebdi.<br />
vinc maSin amis gamo mlanZRavda<br />
da ambobda, saakaSvils ras erCiso,<br />
axla igive adamianebi meubnebian,<br />
biZinas ras erCio? qarTveli<br />
xalxi ver eRirsa wesier xelisuflebas.<br />
Tanamdebobebze<br />
modian binZuri mentalobis adamianebi.<br />
_ Sinagan saqmeTa ministri am<br />
dReebSi policiis korpusis Sem-<br />
cirebaze alaparakda. rogorc<br />
ambobs, swored aseTi balastis-<br />
gan apirebs gawmindos policia?<br />
_ ra SuaSia Semcirebebi? damnaSave<br />
policielebi unda dasajos.<br />
„giorgi miqiaSvili saqarTvelos<br />
winaaRmdeg” saqmeSi 50 policieli<br />
mainc figurirebs. yvelani<br />
sabraldebo skamebze unda<br />
isxdnen, magram isini kvlav samsaxurebSi<br />
arian. es adamianebi<br />
unda dasajon, policiidan gauSvan<br />
da es iqneba Semcirebac. axla,<br />
iciT, ras izamen? _ wesier adamianebs<br />
gauSveben, romlebic maT ar<br />
awyobT da ise ar iqcevian, rogorc<br />
maT undaT. 8 policieli<br />
aris damnaSave dvaliSvilis arahumanur,<br />
araadamianur mopyrobasa<br />
da wamebaSi. evrosasamarTlom<br />
gadawyvetilebaSi amaze<br />
N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
miniSneba gaakeTa, rom amdenma<br />
policielma misca, savaraudod,<br />
cru Cvenebao. mRebriSvili amis<br />
mere unda gamosuliyo da eTqva,<br />
_ es xalxi wava samsaxuridan, radgan<br />
aseTi saqcieli Caidinao. axla<br />
visac patroni gamouCndeba,<br />
Tundac, mkvleli da araadamiani<br />
iyos, datoveben. policiis wmenda<br />
marTla Tu aqvT gadawyvetili,<br />
unda daiwyos miqiaSvilis,<br />
vazagaSvilis, robaqiZis saqmeze.<br />
is policielebi, romlebic idgnen<br />
da amas uyurebdnen, dana-<br />
Sauls faravdnen da Cvenebas ar<br />
aZlevdnen, policiaSi ar unda<br />
iyvnen. es xalxi unda gayaron,<br />
magram, ai, naxavT, qobulias datoveben<br />
da upatrono da wesier<br />
adamianebs gayrian. aba, miTxariT,<br />
ratom ar Tqva mRebriSvilma,<br />
skolis atestatiani gamomZieblebi<br />
rom myavs, es ar SeiZleba<br />
da isini unda gavuSvao? aseTebs<br />
ar gauSveben, ai, naxavT.<br />
policiis mundirs, pirvel<br />
rigSi, Seuracxyofs Tavad mRebriSvili,<br />
roca mas Tanamdebobaze<br />
hyavs revaz qobulia. erTaderTi<br />
qveyana varT evropaSi, sadac<br />
evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebebs<br />
arafrad agdeben da<br />
adamians, romelsac isini moixsenieben<br />
mwameblad da Seuracxmyofelad,<br />
eseni maRal Tanamdebobebze<br />
awinaureben. pirvel rigSi,<br />
es kaci arcxvens policielis<br />
mundirs.<br />
_ garda imisa, rom gancxadebiT<br />
iTxovT Ss ministris gaday-<br />
enebas, kidev raime zomebis miR-<br />
ebas xom ar apirebT?<br />
_ „qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebaSi,<br />
savaraudod, gayalbebiT<br />
movida. burjanaZe iTxovs,<br />
yuTi gaxseniT da gadaiTvaleTo,<br />
radgan amdeni xma mqonda da gamiyalbeso.<br />
ar miiCneven saWirod<br />
xmebis gadaTvlas, rac, cxadia,<br />
ivaniSvilis mizeziT xdeba. ivaniSvili<br />
marTavs qveyanas da kargi<br />
moxdeba Tu cudi, yvelafers<br />
mas davabralebT. misi moyvanili<br />
xalxi akeTebs amas. vinc axla xelisuflebaSia,<br />
biZina rom ar yofiliyo,<br />
10%-sac ki verc erTi<br />
aiRebda. „murusiZeebs” rom gaurigda<br />
ivaniSvilis xelisufleba<br />
da murusiZes gociriZe da Todria<br />
xmas miscemen-meTqi, esec didi<br />
xniT adre vTqvi, magram ra ar<br />
miTxres, radgan ar daijeres. ambobdnen,<br />
xatiaSvili igonebs, batoni<br />
biZini magas rogor ikadrebso?<br />
am naZirala adamianebs minda<br />
vuTxra, _ marTali rom aRmovCndi,<br />
bodiSi ratom ar momixades?<br />
magram monebi arian, fuli<br />
undaT, rom aiRon da wesier adamianebs<br />
amitom lanZRaven. roca<br />
murusiZe marTla daniSnes am<br />
Tanamdebobaze, yvela opoziciurad<br />
ganwyobil partias davureke,<br />
Sevxvdi da vuTxari, _ murusiZe<br />
administraciul palataSi<br />
gadahyavT, arCevnebs, savaraudod,<br />
gagiyalbeben-meTqi. murusiZe<br />
iqneba pasuxismgebeli, rom<br />
es yuTebi ar gaixsnas, amitom<br />
daniSnes am Tanamdebobaze-meTqi.<br />
es vTqviT maSin TqvenTan interviuSic.<br />
erTi wlis Semdeg aRmo-<br />
`policiels rom davesxa Tavs da igive doziT mivayeno Seuracxyofa,<br />
rogor ggoniaT, mxolod advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomaris postze<br />
muSaobas SemiCereben da amas makmareben? an TqvenTan mxolod<br />
Jurnalisturi saqmianobis SeCerebiT Semoifarglebian? Tu Sinagan<br />
saqmeTa ministrs ar unda, rom misi policielebi aseT rames akeTebdnen,<br />
arc moxdeba. ramdenime dRis win inga grigolias gadacemaSi viyavi<br />
miwveuli da iq vTqvi, - `qronika+~ da misi Jurnalisti neli vardiaSvili<br />
cota xnis win Sinagan saqmeTa saministros daukavSirda, sadac<br />
daudastures, rom Sinagan saqmeTa saministroSi inspeqtor-gamomZieblad<br />
muSaoben skoladamTavrebuli adamianebi da maT iuridiuli umaRlesi<br />
ganaTleba ar gaaCniaT-meTqi. premier-ministris pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxic unda dadges, radgan is aseT adamians waradgens Ss ministrad.<br />
saqarTveloSi yovel meore-mesame adamians aqvs iuristis umaRlesi<br />
ganaTleba da diplomi. adamianebi kartofilsa da pomidors yidian<br />
bazrebSi da magistraturebi aqvT damTavrebuli. maT samsaxuri ar aqvT<br />
da mRebriSvilis policiaSi inspeqtor-gamomZieblad<br />
skoladamTavrebulebi muSaoben, romlebsac, Turme, 6-Tviani<br />
gadamzadebis kursebi gaatares. es, daaxloebiT, imas niSnavs, 6-Tviani<br />
gadamzadebis kursebi rom gavataro adamianebs da umaRlesi iuridiuli<br />
ganaTlenis gareSe gavxado advokatebi. aseTi ram rogor SeiZleba?!~<br />
Cnda, rom marTali viyavi. visac<br />
vicnob, yvela meubneba, „leiboristebsa”<br />
da Salva naTelaSvils<br />
miveci xmao da ranairad moxda,<br />
rom parlaments gareT darCa?<br />
imitom ar gaxsnes yuTebi, rom<br />
arCevnebi gaayalbes da es yvelaferi<br />
SerCaT. rac „Tavisufalma<br />
demokratebma” ikadres,<br />
saqarTvelos uaxles istoriaSi<br />
aseTi ram ar minaxavs.<br />
_ amboben, rom arCevnebis gay-<br />
albebaSi policia da sus-i iyo<br />
aqtiurad Careuli.<br />
_ advokati mamuka nozaZe ken-<br />
Ws iyrida da misgan vici, rom<br />
dabeWdili mowmobebiT dahyavdaT<br />
xalxi, romelic ramdenime<br />
ubanze aZlevda xmas. miuxedavad<br />
amisa, Cemi azriT, naTelaSvilmac<br />
gadalaxa barieri da burjanaZemac,<br />
magram mere, swored, „murusiZeebi”<br />
gamoiyenes da ase gaayalbes.<br />
gaxsovT, albaT, ra gauke-<br />
Tes paata burWulaZes. anu am<br />
arCevnebSi yvela meTodi gamoiyena<br />
ivaniSvilma arCevnebis gasayalbeblad.<br />
ai, ratom sWirdeboda<br />
mas murusiZe da masTan Tbili<br />
kavSirebi. cnobilia isic, rom<br />
„qarTulma ocnebam” 49% miiRo<br />
gayalbebiT da ranairad aqvs mas<br />
sakonstitucio umravlesoba<br />
parlamentSi? imis gamo moxda es,<br />
rom kanonmdeblobac maxinjia.<br />
biZina rom xelisuflebaSi modioda,<br />
maJoritarebs feodalebs<br />
uwodebda da xalxs dahpirda,<br />
rom am sistemas daangrevda, magram<br />
am dapirebebidan raime Seasrula?<br />
_ araferi. hoda, me vambob,<br />
qarTveli xalxi imaze metis<br />
Rirsi varT, rasac biZina gvikeTebs.<br />
rasac miSa gvikeTebda,<br />
imis Rirsebic viyaviT, radgan<br />
qarTveli adamiani rom saarCevno<br />
xmas fulze gayidis, is Rirsia<br />
imisi, rasac gvikeTeben da kidev<br />
gagvikeTebs ivaniSvili, mRebriSvili,<br />
wulukiani, kvirikaSvili da<br />
sxvebi. rogorc qveyana, Cven ver<br />
SevdeqiT. rogor SeiZleba, 20<br />
larad Seni Svilebis momavlis<br />
sawinaaRmdegod misce xma?<br />
_ bevri ukve prognozirebs<br />
quCis aqciebs, vadamdel arCev-<br />
nebs...<br />
_ opoziciurma partiebma xeli<br />
moaweres, rom arademokratiuli<br />
arCevnebi iyo, rasac, rogorc<br />
vici, „Tavisufali demokratebi”<br />
xels ar aweren. 4,6% aqvT<br />
miRebuli. Tu isini xels ar<br />
moaweren, maT mere vinc arian,<br />
burjanaZes da naTelaSvils aravin<br />
daujerebs. meore dResve<br />
gamovida „Tavisufali demokratebis”<br />
saarCevno Stabis xelm-<br />
ZRvaneli da „qarTul ocnebas”<br />
dauWira mxari. amitom is ministrad<br />
daniSnes. „kabelebis saqmeze”<br />
dakavebuli sawyali adamianebi<br />
ki kvlav cixeSi arian gamoketilebi.<br />
samwuxarod, politikuri speqtris<br />
didi nawili imitom aris<br />
politikaSi, rom „biZins” mieyidos.<br />
visi gadabirebac ver moaxerxa,<br />
misken lafs asrolinebs<br />
daqiravebul xalxs. gadabireba-<br />
Si marto fuls ki ar vgulisxmob,<br />
SeiZleba, adamiani gadaibiro<br />
daSinebiT, cru dapirebiT...<br />
ase moaxerxa arCevnebis mogeba.<br />
axla mas tvini dasWirda, raTa<br />
saxelmwifo marTos, magram me<br />
vatyob, rom vinc ki daniSnulia<br />
gadawyvetilebebis mimRebebad,<br />
maT Zalian cota aqvT imis tvini,<br />
rom saxelmwifo marTon. amitomac<br />
qveyana samarTlebrivi,<br />
politikuri da finansuri ufskrulisken<br />
midis. ra Tqma unda,<br />
amas mohyveba Zalian didi aqciebi<br />
da xalxis mRelvareba. xalxSi<br />
lideric warmoiSoba, romelic<br />
Zalian patiosani da patrioti<br />
adamiani iqneba da xalxic mas gahyveba.<br />
amas xalxi imitom gaake-<br />
Tebs, rom es ar iqneba oligarqi,<br />
mecenati, is iqneba xalxis wiaRidan<br />
gamosuli, niWieri kaci, romelsac<br />
eqneba imis gamocdileba,<br />
rom qveyana krizisidan gamoiyvanos.<br />
aRar mgonia, rom sazogadoeba<br />
kidev Secdes da oligarqs,<br />
an mecenats daujeros. es saxadi<br />
qveyanam moixada.<br />
_ daaxloebiT mainc SeiZle-<br />
ba vifiqroT, vin SeiZleba iyos<br />
lideri?<br />
_ amas me axla rogor getyviT?<br />
magram mjera, rom es aucileblad<br />
moxdeba da qveyanas normaluri<br />
xelisufali eRirseba.<br />
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