Forum Heftes 2/2006

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Jürg Kaufman: Ich bin als Präsident der geosuisse, des Schweizerischen
Verbands für Geomatik und Landmanagement, geradezu
aufgefordert, mit Vorschlägen und Modellen die Weiterentwicklung
unseres Berufsstandes anzumahnen.
Henning Elmstroem (Dänemark): First of all, I want to point out
something important for the profession. When I teach on my university,
I tell my students that there is no difference between the
demands for those who go into the civil servants or in private
praxis. I want them to be able to interchange between this. The
only difference between the private praxis and the civil service is
the later education levels. In private praxis in Germany, you have
two or three years of practice before the final examination to obtain
license. Similar systems exist in other countries with two or
three years of practice and a system of approvement. But if you
go to the civil servant you will also find a way of education (CPD)
and a system of later approvals. In my view, this is the principal
foundation of CLGE. We are surveying professionals all of us. But,
looking at our past, we have being concentrated of being data
collectors. We are, excuse me for the expression, humble data
collectors. Our combination of data collectors of surveying and
our knowledge about property, about how to form, change and
distaff this property and our juridical knowledge of the open land
market should put us in a much better position.
We must turn away from being data collectors to an advisory role
in the process. Maybe not only as an advisor but as a leader of the
process about establishing private and public property. So, what
we need is to realize – as you can see in the Tour de France – that
the question sometimes about winning is as simple as having
enough confidence in attacking in the right moments. That is what
we need. It is nice to be nice, but it is also nice to be the best.
So we must be more self-confident about our important role in
society.
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If I can take an example from Denmark: If I look back on the last
40 years of debate in the Danish parliament I will find the same
key-words over the years. Words like reliable profession, trustworthy
cooperation with the public sector taking care of an important
part of society etc. Nice words, of course, but also demanding
for the profession placing us in EU treaty article 45.
I will come back to that later private- public partnership, but in
the cooperation with the public sector we are integrated in the
Danish laws. We are first part judge in questions about property
boundaries, we are not just only data collectors. Some of the problems
that you describe about low salaries and competitions beyond
reasonable limits is known all over Europe, but there is a difference
between collecting data, using the GPS system or collecting
data and managing the process of changing properties and of developing
areas. That is what we must be able to do. And we can
do it, we are a profession suitable to be leading officers, civil servants
in big communities and states as well and also in big private
companies. We work on the same level.
My idea is that a combination of civil servants and private surveyors
will live very well together and create a lot of jobs. But the
time of being so humble is over and we must turn into a world of
delivering solutions. You said in your magazine FORUM some years
ago, that the bait must taste the fish, not the fisherman. A wonderful
drawing, I have used it many times. So we must be able to
change our role, to be more significant, more visionary. Not only
visionary but visible, because in case of being visionary without
being visible we will lose. We must tell the young people, that we
are in a very interesting, very important position in the change of
our society. And we were never able to do that before. Maybe
because we have not looked upon ourselves as capable of doing
so.
Jos Anneveld (Niederlande): When I heard the German problems
about the EU treaty article 45, I would say: What are you
afraid of? Because firstly I think it has mainly to do with the cadastral
activities. The cadastral activities are very local, so you need
to be very locally oriented to execute these activities. There is not
too much margin on it. So there won't be many people from abroad
who will be attracted to this work. Secondly, without trying to
escape from this rule, you can do much to direct the work towards
the experienced companies .
For example, even if you need to do European tenders you can put
qualifications into tenders, experiences, being experienced in local
circumstances. So you can put many things into a tender procedure
which makes that only people or companies that are able
to make the work professionally can do that. So I would say it is
not an important issue, not even for the countries which are re-
Soweit Karl-Werner Schulte in seinem Beitrag über »Geomatics
in the Context of Real Estate«. Auch Schulte verweist auf
die verdienstvolle Rolle der Geodäsie in der Vergangenheit.
Natürlich standen die Bemühungen um genaue, aktuelle und
homogene Messergebnisse im Vordergrund. Und auch die heutigen
Herausforderungen für eine weltumspannende Organisation
der Geoinformationen findet seine Würdigung. Sein Plädoyer
ist jedoch auf die Erweiterung des durch »earth science«
und »informatics« geprägten Berufsfeldes um »Management«-
Funktionen gerichtet.
Figure 3:
From Surveying
to Geo-Services
TRADITIONAL
GEODETIC
SURVEYOR
Earth Science
GEO-INFORMATICS
Informatics
GEO-SERVICES
Management
Informatics
Earth Science Earth Science
»Overall, future work fields for geodetic surveyors
are in the service sector. These opportunities
range from research and development to quality
control and project monitoring. Besides, the traditional
tasks like operative surveys, real estate
services and geo-information services (GIS) create
a divers spectrum of opportunities for geodetic
activities.
Thus, the education of geodetic surveyors must
adapt to the new requirements. The whole occupational
image must prepare geodetic surveyors
for the upcoming challenges. Consequently, education
must include technical education as well
as expertise. Geodetic Surveyors need leadership
ability, multidisciplinary competence, presentation
skills, business administration and management
skills, international competence and real
estate knowledge.«
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gulated to their profession. It is better to play on strength than
to protect yourself.
About the reputation: In Holland we went through the same items
as you talked about. People from the technical branch, not only
surveyors, sometimes have a feeling about being regarded as second
rate academics. First of all, I think we always look towards
the very few people who really make the money and are the big
guys. These people are exceptions to the rule whatever background
they have, for example take lawyers. If you think about lawyers,
then you look to the few people who are solicitor in the international
law firms and earn about 500.000 Euros, but they are an
exception under the lawyers. Most of them have a reasonable, not
high, salary and need to work hard for that. Statistically, there is
not that big difference between people from different disciplines.
Secondly, I think we have to innovate our profession continuously
and we have to look towards services which add value for the
clients who are prepared to pay for them. That means that really
as engineers in the classical sense of the word we have to look for
problems that we can solve for our clients and often that is a combination,
we need to combine several kinds of technical devices
and think creatively. There is a continuous stream of services that
come up, live their life, we can make money with it and then we
have to leave it for other services. This can mean that the services
which go down on the merchant site can be picked up by other
people or other companies, smaller companies or people with less
academic skills. And they can have a good life, too.
Clemens Kiepke (Deutschland): Zur Reputation unseres Berufes
möchte ich zwei Anmerkungen machen: Erstens kann ich eigentlich
nur feststellen, dass unsere Kollegen, die ÖbVI in Deutschland, in
dem Maße in der Öffentlichkeit wahrgenommen werden, wie sie
sich letztendlich einbringen. Wenn wir z. B. am öffentlichen Leben
teilnehmen, d. h. in unserem Umfeld Kontakt zu den gesellschafts-
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