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97 Pensions Bill [Lords]<br />
20 JUNE 2011<br />
Pensions Bill [Lords]<br />
98<br />
as compensation for low pay is outmoded now. The pay<br />
gap has not only narrowed but reversed.<br />
Figures from Policy Exchange for the past year show<br />
that the average public sector worker is now paid 35% an<br />
hour more than the average private sector worker, and<br />
Office for National Statistics figures tell us that in the<br />
year before that, the average public sector worker earned<br />
£2,000 more per annum than his or her private sector<br />
equivalent. Today private sector workers are worse paid,<br />
have less security of tenure, and have more fragile<br />
pensions than their public sector equivalents, but under<br />
the current arrangements they are expected to subsidise<br />
the more generous final salary pensions in the bloated<br />
public sector. They are understandably embittered, as,<br />
paradoxically, are the public sector workers, many of<br />
whose jobs were created by the last Government. They<br />
now feel threatened.<br />
But deal with the pensions time bomb we must. The<br />
private sector has absorbed many shocks. So that we<br />
can survive the economic downturn, pensions, along<br />
with salaries and bonuses, have been hit hard. Final<br />
salary pensions are fast becoming a distant memory,<br />
even in larger firms, and new employer rules on automatic<br />
pensions enrolment which are due to come into force<br />
next year are likely to have further detrimental effects.<br />
The public sector, however, needs a culture change.<br />
The current arrangements are simply unsustainable and<br />
unaffordable. The bottom line is that we all need to pay<br />
more into our pensions for longer, which means that the<br />
age at which we retire will be higher: it will be 66 by<br />
April 2020. The last Government legislated for that, but<br />
their legislation will be accelerated by this Bill. We will<br />
also need to supplement what we already pay with<br />
increased contributions.<br />
We are told by Treasury Ministers that if we make<br />
these changes now, there is a chance of a decent and<br />
relatively generous pension for all entitled public sector<br />
workers. We are also assured that 750,000 of the lowest-paid<br />
public sector workers will not be asked to pay more, and<br />
that the extra contributions of another 500,000 will be<br />
capped. I am relieved to hear that the pensions of those<br />
who risk their lives serving their country—members of<br />
the police, fire service and military—will be protected.<br />
Raising the state pension age to 66 and upwards will<br />
take years to implement, even on the revised timetable,<br />
and I am anxious to ensure that some worthy recipients<br />
do not slip through the net. Like others who have<br />
spoken today, I have received many letters and e-mails<br />
from people who are very concerned about the proposals.<br />
Mainly they are from women. The equalisation of the<br />
pension age, causing theirs to rise from 60 to 65, and the<br />
subsequent acceleration causing it to rise to 66 by 2020,<br />
appear to have left some unintended victims by the<br />
wayside. I ask the Secretary of State and the Treasury to<br />
think again about those cases.<br />
In particular, women in their late 50s who were told<br />
to prepare for retirement at 65 have now seen the<br />
goalposts moved again. Overall, 5.5 million women<br />
now aged between 51 and 57 are affected to a greater or<br />
lesser degree, and 330,000 of them— those given less<br />
than two years’ notice of the change—are particularly<br />
badly affected. There will not be enough time for the<br />
women caught up in the scheme to save enough to<br />
address their loss. Many are among the lower-paid,<br />
40% have private pensions, and many part-timers were<br />
excluded from occupational pension schemes until the<br />
1990s. Moreover, members of that age group are more<br />
likely to be economically inactive owing to caring<br />
responsibilities. Perhaps an interim measure can be<br />
introduced to ensure that they are paid what they have<br />
worked for, and that the longer gap before they reach<br />
the state pension age does not cause unnecessary hardship.<br />
After all, those women worked through the years of<br />
genuinely lower pay in the expectation of a comfortable<br />
retirement, only to see it evaporate.<br />
What matters most in this debate is to find a way to<br />
make our pensions fairer, more affordable and as generous<br />
as possible, while taking into account the changes in life<br />
span and the sheer numbers involved. I know that that<br />
is the intention, but now, for all our sakes and those of<br />
our constituents, we must make it a reality.<br />
8.5 pm<br />
Debbie Abrahams (Oldham East and Saddleworth)<br />
(Lab): Like other Members, I am encouraged by the<br />
agreement across the Chamber, particularly on issues<br />
related to fairness that mostly affect women. We agree,<br />
for instance, that we are all living longer and therefore<br />
need to extend our working lives. Contrary to what the<br />
hon. Member for South Dorset (Richard Drax) said,<br />
the last Labour Government took that into account in<br />
the Pensions Act 2007, following the recommendations<br />
of the Turner commission.<br />
My right hon. Friend the Member for Croydon North<br />
(Malcolm Wicks) made a relevant point about variations<br />
in life expectancy connected with socio-economic<br />
inequalities, and about the time for which people in a<br />
healthy condition can expect to live. I agree that more<br />
research should be done on that.<br />
Harriett Baldwin: The hon. Lady mentioned the<br />
steps that the last Government took to deal with increasing<br />
longevity. Does she agree that the figures produced by<br />
the original Turner commission suggest that things are<br />
moving much faster than was anticipated even in 2004,<br />
and that since then longevity has increased by at least a<br />
year?<br />
Debbie Abrahams: I think that the hon. Lady is<br />
referring to the average. It is important for us to consider<br />
not just the average, but how the figure is spread across<br />
different socio-economic groups. It does not explain or<br />
excuse the Government’s failure to protect the women<br />
who are being detrimentally affected by the acceleration<br />
of the equalisation of the pension age.<br />
As many people have pointed out, this is about<br />
fairness. We must focus on what is right, and the Bill<br />
fails the fairness test. Many figures have been cited in<br />
relation to what the Bill means nationally. Half a million<br />
women will have to wait more than a year longer to<br />
receive their state pensions, 300,000 will have to wait an<br />
additional 18 months, and an unfortunate 33,000 will<br />
have to wait a further two years. Moreover, the Government<br />
will increase the state pension age for both men and<br />
women to 66 in 2018.<br />
I asked the House of Commons Library to conduct<br />
an analysis of the impact in my constituency. I discovered<br />
that 4,300 women and 3,800 men would be affected,<br />
and that approximately 200 women would experience a<br />
notional loss of income from their state pensions of up<br />
to £10,700. I have been contacted by dozens of women