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look up and he's voted for it. And you wonder why. Well if it's going to he lopsided anyway, it doesn't make any difference. So why should you jeopardize your position with somebody if you might need someone. So you might as well go along because it's not going to make any difference anyway either way, whether it's not going to pass or if it's already passed. And it had enough to go pass, what's the difference if you voted for it. Some people can't understand that. But unless you're in on the end they don't understand. But by you voting for this fellow, although it is immaterial whether you voted or not, it looks had on your part from the fellow sitting on the outside. But all you're really doing is putting yourself in position to . . . Q: Get something later on. A: That's right, for his. Well you couldn't go to him and say when he looked, "He?. you didn't vote for me. Why do you want me to come over there and vote for you?" Rut if you've done voted for him, he's obligated to you, and the law is passed. It doesn't make any difference anyway, it's going to pass anyway. A lot of them do that. They wait and see if it's had 118 votes or whatever it needed to pass and then if it done passed, they go along with theirs, see. Q: I see A: Or if it's only got thirty votes or forty votes then they might vote for it, knowing it's not going to pass. It gets you in a bad position sometimes. It gets up there too close and they'll play around with it and so it gets right near the passing line. Then somr of them got nerve enough to withdraw their vote. Q: I understand there were times when a person would vote on the board up thrre and then real quick get down to the clerk and change . . . A: To change your vote, oh yes. You did that frequently. Q: You ever have occasion to do that? A: Oh yes. I've had fellows switch already on me when Q: Oh. A: And especially - I can't remember what that was. That was afterwards -- something about the women, women voters . Q: Eight-hour day for professsional women? A: Something about the women. This gal, she was in thr legislature. She rome down \\.ith her arms outstretched and - I wish I could recall that exactly. Q: Was that Mrs. Dawson by any chance? A: No it wasn't Mrs. Dawson. And I got tired of it and I walked off of the floor and I'll be damned if they didn't turn my switch on and tinally I looked back and, man, I got mad then. And I went up and locked it up . . . Q: I'll be darned A: . . . so they didn't have a chance to do it. I guess it was something on the sami, order as this ERA [Equal Rights Amendment] when they were promoting that. They'd go crazy. Q: Well now let's see, Paul Randolph and Frances Dawson got toeether tu introduce that bill to do away with the eight-hour day for professional women. That was ahout 1963 . . Carl Wittmond Memoir -- Archives/Special Collections, University of Illinois at Springfield
:I: Yes I ren~ernher that. :I: I prohahly Kent along with them on that. Q: Yes it \vent through okab-. What did >-nu think ahout the electronic voting that replace11 the old roll call. Do you think that was hctter than having a roll call'! 1: I don't think il's better. Thc old roll call was a lot hetter than electronic. Rlorr ~firirnt. it's quicker operatirig. Q: YPS. I xuess you still hare an opportunity to explain your vote if you want to. :lnd Q: I,rt's ser, thal redistricting !rent to the c:~~urts at that time. The s~nate got involred in the one man, one vote thing, got into it and the courts finall) decitl~d that the senate \voul~l hare to go one man, one 1-ote instead of the geographical areas the) had hefore. \\'hat did you think of that change? ;I: \%'hen the senate Q The senate ha11 heen on a geoel.aphical hasis as opposzd to a population basis 11: Then they had to go hy population Q: Yes sir .A: \VeII I didn't see anything too tnuch wrong with that idea. (laping stopped to grcet custumcrs, then resumed, Q: \Vith the increase in numbers, they \\-t,nt from what? 153 to 177 that lirst srssion that you n-ere up there. And I guess they hall to rt.11~ the chambers adding desks? :\: Yes they had more desks and they didn't kno~v whirl1 side. I think they had to changc them round and it 11~~pends [In \\-hich side had the niajority on to put thc (lcsks on. I can't rcc-all an>-rnore - \vho had the majorit>- the firs1 y~,ar? Q: I L~rlirve it \v~~uld hare - let's see, il was - \Varrrn \Yooii \r;rs the .A: Yes \Varren Wood. The Democrats h:l~i thc majority. I believe, that year. I think they hat1 . . . Q: \Yell the Krp1lhlir:ins \v11u1(1 hart: ha11 it \\-ith \\'arren \Vood Q: Yes. ;I: That's right. ye.;. wit11 \Y;irren oil >-es :\: I thought htx made an excrllenl Spraker. He had an air about himself :ltiii it seeined like he kept control (,f the house prrtt) \\ell. .And IIP \\:is always fair in his t1r:llinps. Carl Wittmond Memoir -- Archives/Special Collections, University of Illinois at Springfield
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CARL WIITMOND ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REP
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orrrniilnity in central Illinois. A
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Page 121 and 122: A: Probably was I think, yes. I did
Page 123 and 124: Maybe a lot of them was in. Like Bi
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Page 127 and 128: - "Oh." he said, "he makes eighty f
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Page 131 and 132: district. Powell said, "YIIu'~ h~tt
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Page 135 and 136: thrsrr. ant1 Iru) them. And I don't
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